@bomberita2008 what if I don't want health insurance right away? maybe i want to wait until i'm a little older and more at risk. besides - there won't be a "market" once the industry collapses. are you an idiot - or don't you realize that businesses can't compete with government in ant "market" because businesses have to profit to survive - government simply mandates and taxes...
no "waste fraud & abuse" happening in free market insurance programs?? i've got government funded health care and its personalized just fine for me. i'd have it no other way
@BlindMaphisto Shows how stupid you are. I have already transferred my health insurance from one insurer to another 3 times without any mention of pre existing conditions. You should get your existing condition checked out - ya know - idiocy....
@marklross2 "In 45 states across the country, insurance companies can discriminate against people based on their pre-existing conditions when they try to purchase health insurance directly from insurance companies in the individual insurance market.4 Insurers can deny them coverage, charge higher premiums, and/or refuse to cover that particular medical condition."
Most with preexisting conditions aren't so lucky as you. Of course your not THAT lucky. You do after all have shit for brains.
@BlindMaphisto No wonder you want to eat my brains so much. You're an idiot. Even if the quote you posted without reference is true, it doesn't take the federal government eliminating an industry by taking it over to correct one thing that is wrong with it. Your citing the problem of pre-existing conditions as an excuse for a government take over of the health insurance industry is evidence of you being a mouth piece shill for Øbama...congratulations - tool...
@BlindMaphisto Yes caution is advised. However, your warning does not successfully refute the fact that it doesn't take the federal government eliminating an industry by taking it over to correct one thing that is wrong with it.
@marklross2 I'll meet with you in the middle and agree that there is something wrong with the private industry but the government is going too far in trying to rectify it.
@marklross2 I'll meet with you in the middle and agree that there is something wrong with the private industry but the government is going too far in trying to rectify it.
@marklross2 I'll meet with you in the middle and agree that there is something wrong with the private industry but the government is going too far in trying to rectify it.
Would you pay for every transport in your city like bus or metro from your salary and never again had to buy tickets? Maybe not everyone wants to pay that, but answer me this: wouldn't be a nicer place for everyone, mostly for children and others that don't have the possibility of paying for that ticket, more, there wouldn't be lines at entrance or other place, and you would always have a backup plan if your car doesn't work. I know is hard to understand, but a free something is less evil.
social health care, one day I fell climbing a slope of a fortress, I had a bad wound in the chin and I lost consciousness, when I woke up I managed to get to the hospital, the only thing they asked was how it happened, they didn't request any documentation or money. And to tell you the true I felt good that I could hurt myself or my children could, without caring about other things.
And read my comment in the top comments of the video that you ridicule.
@EterIronGen Just because you weren't asked for money doesn't mean that they did not expect to be paid for their service to you. Big deal - so their payment just comes directly from the government after they have TAKEN that money from someone more responsible than you...Wouldn't it be nice if everyone simply took responsibility for themselves?
While I agree that we don't need socialized healthcare in the USA, I still think you're a self-absorbed egotistical asshole. You have 888 videos, get off youtube you sociopath.
@VaticanIscaria None of my videos are about myself - yet you have the kind of ego that leads you to believe YOU know better about who should and should not be on You Tube...now - who's the sociopath?
@VaticanIscaria ha ha ha ha You're the sick one! Just because I have a different opinion than you about the nightmare that is socialized medicine, you claim I am some deviant - rather than present any rational argument - yes slink away cockhole.....
@marklross2 Yes I'm the sick one. You don't even remember that in my very first statement I said I agree with you on socialized medicine. If you're going to spend your pathetic existence arguing with people on youtube you should at least be good at it. Take a speech argumentation class and see a psychiatrist. Good bye sociopath.
@zedredification Yes - fine - the health of its citizens - in other words - make sure there is clean drinking water, inspect foods, keep the air clean - all things that promote the GENERAL welfare. My personal health needs aren't the same as yours. I want a healthcare plan that my doctor and I design - not one cooked up by some bean counting government official...
@zedredification There is an already an agency to deal with spread of contagious disease - the CDC. Your personal health issues are yours alone regardless if other people may also suffer from the same issue. You are wrong - general welfare is not personal healthcare.
@Mectrixctic Wrong - Police protect the public at large from crime. That any criminal who would otherwise threaten the general public is apprehended during a crime against an individual does not change the general nature of crime and the general approach to the solution. Whether it is you or me who happens to be the victim of a crime, the solution is the same - capture and prosecute the criminal, but my health problem does not have the same solution as your health problem.
@Mectrixctic In with the unfounded ad hominem - good - typical libby argument tactic. You missed the point. Regardless who the criminal attacks - the "cure" is the same for all cases - catch the criminal and prosecute. Government can handle things with blanket remedies. Even if you and I have the same ailment - treatment will vary due do PERSONAL differences. This argument is pointless anyway - Øbama care will be revoked as unconstitutional anyway. Waste your breath if you want to libby...
I didn't do an ad hominem. I simply insulted (IMO) you. If I put it in my argument, it would have been an ad hominem.
The cure isn't the same. They have to go through experiments, interviews, and much more. Then they have to have a trial, and punish the criminal based on the crime, his or her past legal issues, and whether the criminal is insane or not.
It's personal, Libty.
Countries with Socialized Healthcare are doing better than us- and the countries around them.
@Mectrixctic Splitting hairs over the definition of your argumentative fallacy wins no points - fail. You continue to be wrong. The specifics of the prosecution of the criminal does not alter the generalized approach to the "cure" - catch and prosecute the criminal . Your OPINION about the comparative status of nations is irrelevant...
It;s not my oppinion- it's fact, based on life expectancy and livability.
Yes, the criminal is being cured- prison is a way for it to learn, and there are education and rehab centers there to make the criminal a useful force in society (unless it is a life sentence)
@Mectrixctic Livability? You mean like Greece? RIOTS Spain? RIOTS Face it - the socialist model is unraveling all across Europe and the world. REHAB? Ha! Look up RECIDIVISM This argument is pointless. I believe the Constitution guarantees the individual the freedom to PROVIDE FOR ONESELF. You believe it guarantees that the government will provide all...First provision - next - CONTROL Good luck...
@Mectrixctic Thanks for mentioning Sweden - my older brother lives there - says the health system sucks - wants to move back to the USA - you know - the country you love to hate...
So in your world the police department treats everybody equally? All governent-run programs are going to have the same fraud waste & abuse. Does that mean that it couldn't possibly be better than the sytem we currently are suffering from?
Please tell me how water treatment fits into the "protect the citizens model" of why it is an essential service? How this is different than a form of healthcare? You say that everyone has different medical needs and this is different than the fire service because one burning house is the same as another. Yet doctors are trained to treat the ailments of HUMANS, so how is it different when you go to a doctor than if I went to a doctor?
@Jamato84 If you can't understand how water purification is a generalized public health issue that is different from an individual need, you won't understand how your medical needs differ from mine - but I will try. When I go to the doctor, the doctor is seeing essentially a normal human being with some specific health issue. When you go to the doctor, the doctor has to take into account your mental deficiency...
@marklross2 Wow that was genius, that took about as much talent as stealing someone else's video and voicing it over. So I take it you don't have good response because so early on in the discussion you resorted to a personal insult. I also find it comical that my post will have to pend approval...but what ever you wish Mein Fuhrer!
@Jamato84 Again - since you seem incapable of distinguishing "public health" issues from PERSONAL ones - this futile waste of my time has come to an end.....
@jesusisaklingon Idiot - America does not "make" billionaires....they make themselves...maybe if you had any sense you might make yourself worth something......
@jesusisaklingon A truly civilised country does not enslave its people by forcing them to fund the medical care...or any other service,of those they choose not to.A truly civilised county respects individual rights and protects them from those who would violate them claiming the "common good" or other such collectivist drivel as their mandate.
@jesusisaklingon As you seem pretty retarded I'll say it slowlyyyyyyyyyy for you.In a civilised society.. meaning one that respects peoples individual rights...(as the US was meant to be as envisioned by the founders)people are not forced to fund other peoples healthcare requirements.They take personal responsibility for their own needs and VOLUNTARILY help those they choose to.Get it? Now go back to bed Gomer......your sisters getting cold.
The founders were ALL slave owners and misogynists, so their words are useless. If you live in a community then all the members are valuable. You don't want to help your fellow humans and can not admit that we are all in this together..That's YOUR problem. Every other industrialized country in the world has universal health care , it costs less than the US system and 36 countries are BETTER. You can take your insults and sit in the corner with them while sucking your thumb....
@jesusisaklingon Christianity, by introducing into Europe the truest principles of humanity, universal benevolence, and brotherly love, had happily abolished civil slavery. Let us who profess the same religion practice its precepts . . . by agreeing to this duty. 14 RICHARD HENRY LEE, PRESIDENT OF CONTINENTAL CONGRESS; SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION
@jesusisaklingon Domestic slavery is repugnant to the principles of Christianity. . . . It is rebellion against the authority of a common Father. It is a practical denial of the extent and efficacy of the death of a common Savior. It is an usurpation of the prerogative of the great Sovereign of the universe who has solemnly claimed an exclusive property in the souls of men. 19 BENJAMIN RUSH, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION
@marklross2 You found ONE signer that didn't own slaves, actually there were TWO, but ALL the rest did own slaves...Washington, Jefferson, on and on....
@jesusisaklingon You're an idiot. Are you saying that all of the representatives from the NORTHERN states who signed to declaration owned slaves? Think about what a stupid thing you are saying. Anyway - this video is not about slavery - it's about the travesty of Obamacare. I will ask you to stay on topic...
@marklross2 You do know that Washington, Jefferson and Franklin owned slaves, don't you?
Are you just as knowledgeable about welfare reform? That is you know nothing about it?
The US spends more on health care than any other country but is 37th in actual overall health. Every other industrialized country has universal health care and 36 of them are cheaper AND better.
@marklross2 According to Michelle B. Bernard about 1/3 of those were slave owners including two of the three writers of the declaration, thomas jefferson who owned over 150 slaves, and ben franklin who only owned 2.
OK "only" 1/3 of the signers owned slaves but, 2/3 of the AUTHORS of the Declaration of Independence.
@marklross2 I should read your own history what "Resusisaklingon" is factually accurate. A pity you feel the need to block people who are more knowledgable than you. Please feel free to block me. Regards.
@davijeph You are an idiot if you believe the claims bout the Founders were "factually accurate." A liar is not "more knowledgable." If you wish to be blocked, just keep lying...
@marklross2 Block or don't block who gives a shit. The fact you are a US citizen and seem ignorant of the undeniable fact that certain Founders owned slaves including Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, Van Buren and others is amazing. The statements by "Resusisaklingon" on US health-costs and ratings are also true. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context” it the most knowledgeable unbiased video too be found on the subject on youtube. Regards
@davijeph You ASSHOLE...I never denied that SOME founders were slave holders (before renouncing the practice), but the other ASSHOLE you are defending claimed that ALL the founders were slave owners (I thought you said you had read his comments) which is untrue. You are both lying assholes...I reject any claims about healthcare data you may cie based upon the fact that you lie...
@marklross2 You hypocrite, they certainly all signed a document that enabled the practice of slavery to continue for another 3 score years and ten,"all men are created equal" my arse. The only reason it was abolished then was because Lincoln needed a "cause" to maintain the civil war. He was willing for the South to keep slavery if stayed within the Union. Reject what I say by all means but only a bigoted dick head like you would reject " “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”
@davijeph Why should I even continue to argue with someone who denies the history of abolition and creates out of thin air his own mischaracterizations of our founding documents? Believe whatever drivel you care to you fucking idiot. If it makes you feel better - good for you!
@marklross2 I don't know, why should you continue to argue with someone who denies the history of abolition and creates out of thin air his own mischaracterisations of your founding documents? It seems you take after Glenn Beck who could never understand that only a complete fucking idiot would actually argue with idiots.
@davijeph You seem to think that the South had other reasons to secede from the Union. I would like to hear your theories for the cause of the Civil War. I wasn't aware that Lincoln was willing to allow slavery in the South just to keep them from seceding from the Union. If that were the case, wouldn't the South have avoided the whole situation that was jeopardizing their economy? Where do you study American HIstory? Is that European version?
@carloss1960 "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that." Part of a letter Lincoln wrote in response to article in the New York Tribune after it had urged abolition.Their where many reasons why the South tried to break with the Union and would suggest reading one of the many of the excellent books on the subject. Regards.
@marklross2 Lincoln- "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it," .Oh and Jefferson died owning slaves he "rejected" slavery so much he died owning more than 130 of them. So double asshole to you.
@Riellysdad Civilised "having a high state of culture and development both Social and technological". A civilised society recognises the need for collective social protection in order to maintain civilised values. The rights of the individual in a civilised society are strong and many but they will ultimately be subservient to the needs of the many, even in the US constitution or no constitution. Your constitution only allows for a volunteer army but citizens can be drafted into it by force.
I hope anyone who thinks medical care should not be equal to postal care,police care,fire care,fixing the fucking potholes in the street care,gets in a serious accident or contracts a serious illness,loses all theirs(& their family's) assets...TO SOME FILTHY RICH COMPANY OR DOCTOR
BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO DONT SUPPORT IT
I hope anyone who thinks medical care should not be equal to postal care,police care,fire care,fixing the fucking potholes in the street care,gets in a serious accident or contracts a serious illness,loses all theirs(& their family's) assets...TO SOME FILTHY RICH COMPANY OR DOCTOR
BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO DONT SUPPORT IT
If you don't think saving people's lives is a public service to the general public.
The fire example: diseases don't spread? Pfft..
Also: if a place is on fire and no other homes around - by your logic the fire department wouldn't bother extinguishing it.
You really should look at pretty much every other developed nation's public health. It can be done and IS done everywhere else (and we get cheaper/better results).
@NathanAndBike You don't understand the role and scope of government at all do you - your disease example: There is already the CDC pfft...Even if other homes aren't threatened, home fires affect air quality, so the solo home fire is still extinguished - you are wrong again...finaly - I need look no further than the "developed" nations in Europe, who, due to the destruction of their economies by social programs like socialized medicine are rioting in the streets -
@marklross2 So you're worried more about the impact of air quality of a burning house, but not the health impact of helping people with bleeding wounds who will die without intervention? Wow.
Rioting in the streets? I presume you mean the UK. Do you know WHY they are rioting? Because there's an attempt to make tertiary (that's college/university) education fees much more expensive. Absolutely nothing to do with healthcare and is just one country in Europe.
What are you,braindead? your gov't just gave 7 billion dollars to guys who showed up in private jets(the guys who "destroyed your economy") & guys who promptly gave themselves multi-million dollar bonuses.
I hope you get very sick,lose all your assets(& your family's) to some filthy rich company
@toobularbells oh yeah - your first comment in which you wished sickness to befall another human being. All reading your comment knows who the real asshole is here you cockfucking idiot...
@marklross2 If you thought about what you said: you've placed protection of personal property above personal health.
You don't seem to understand just how broken your system is currently. I (and other people in places with a proper health system) can't understand how you can live in a place which has such a massive risk of getting denied essential health care or which can send you bankrupt because it is so ineffective and so overpriced via the insurance system.
@NathanAndBike No - no I haven't - you just misinterpret what I say to make yourself feel better about the substandard level of care you receive from your state run system. What you really need is to be treated for your delusion that you suffer from - believing that your system has eliminated the inevitable fact that healthcare is a personal responsibility, and people who work hard to acquire wealth in order to ensure that responsibility will always bee in a better position to do so...
@marklross2 Again you're ignorant of how healthcare works in Australian and other countries: you can.. wait for it.. also buy private health cover.
Many people have worked hard to "acquire wealth" only to lose everything because of bad luck/injury. Why would you want a system that ensures that at any time you can have your savings snatched away (as per the 50% of bankruptcies in the USA due to medical bills). Or if you happen to be born poor and sick: you never get a chance to earn anything.
@NathanAndBike I don't care how healthcare works in Australia - Australia isn't the U. S. We Americans aren't cattle. We don't think like you - our needs are different. We will repeal Øbamacare here, and make the specific reforms to the health insurance industry as necessary without surrendering more of our autonomy to our government...
Nothing is perfect...that's why pencils have erasers. In terms of Health care, each system opposite the spectrum has its own flaws. Its like choosing lesser of two evils. We all need to figure our and agree on which "evil" system is more efficient/effective than its opposite...Universal Health Care or Private run insurance companies. THAT'S THE HARD PART.
@jonnyM40 Yes - but when it comes to the U.S. government and its track record in social programs, the obvious choice is not to allow the government to do to our healthcare system what it did to this country's educational system through the bureaucracy of the Dept. of Education - failure - utter failure....
You ought to see Fireman Sam! But I do agree with your video overall. Government can't handle individual and unique problems. That is why religion is suppressed - the government is too inefficient to shovel through all of the differences and unique social issues found in religion, so they just say that it should be a personal matter that you alone should decide on. For individual services like healthcare, religion, education, etc, privatisation with some LOOSE restrictions might be best.
Looking for something that provides genuine knowledge in an unbiased, mature informed way into some aspects of this important debate? Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context:”
You fail to see that HEALTH is a human right. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" (a paraphrasing of father of liberalism, John Locke's words), as said in your Declaration of Independence, should give us this right. Health corporations (businesses creating a product out of a right) are designed to not only generate profit, but as well constantly increase profit. Otherwise they are failures. Canada has a system not only spending LESS on health, but offering medicare to all. Rebut that.
@connorbevans You fail to see health is not a human right. Individuals are responsible for their own health. We have the right to preserve our own health without interference from others. Rights must be applied equally to all. Some people drink alcohol. That compromises their health. If their health is to be guaranteed, they must not be allowed to compromise it. Some people smoke. Their health will not be as good as non-smokers. Therefore, the right to health is not being fairly applied....
The declaration of independence guarantees the rights I made note of, and states them as inalienable. This means that neither the state nor the citizen may waive them. Also, well-developed countries with universal health care often have better life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, and so on, while still spending less money on health. Feel free to rebut this one through message, as the 500 character censorship is a nuisance.
@connorbevans Your claims about life expectancy, etc, can not be solely attributed to any kind of health insurance system. Too many other factors come in to play to make a direct comparison between different health insurance systems between different human populations. Also, the cost of health does not change. if by spending less on health" you mean the individual, it is merely because the cost burden has been shifted to someone else. For instance the dissatisfied doctor paid less for service.
Why is it that firemen go inside the burning buildings, risking their lives and safety, in order to save people from the flames whilst the house is still burning? Might it be because they do have a responsiblity to save people from fire, to save INDIVIDUALS from fire. The logic in this video is so fallacious it hurts.
@elkrobber You are wrong about the logic of this video. That only exposes the fact that you re either naive or partisan. Your point is obvious on its face. Ofcourse firemen attempt to save lives. That in no way invalidates the argument that comparing emergency response to fire is in anyway comparable to meeting the myriad of diverse health needs of a population....
Wow. Seriously? I was trying to be polite and make sure you weren't doing what I think you were doing, but I should've just jumped right into it. I tried to give you a compliment and in return you criticized me. I responded correcting you and you said "WHERE?" like I was lying or had to prove something to you. Learn some manners you asshole.
@KurohigeStudios Just because you are unable to follow simple sequences of comments and depend on asking questions like," uh - what did you say?" - doesn't mean others do....you have misinterpreted impatience as disrespect...
@marklross2 Is something wrong with you? I wasn't even talking about your impatience I was talking about your rude behavior in the first two comments when your patience level wasn't even a factor. Yet another argument you clearly lose, good day sir.
@marklross2 Yeah, I'm asking you to clarify what you said. "Why don't you tear it apart instead of just watching..." "WHERE?" What did you mean by that?
@marklross2 What do you mean? I get into arguments with people on other youtube pages, but I would hardly call that productive. I'm politically involved in the community, school, etc. if that's what you mean.
@cindermaker I don't care what your position is. I am not jumping to any conclusion. I am rightfully assessing you to have a twisted personality because you have an obsession about rape.
I can't believe this only has 1800+ views. I believe Mr. Obama has angered enough people to cause a 'Republican Revolution' just like 1993, and most of his healthcare will be repealed. Focus on the damn economy, bring jobs back to America, and those jobs will have health benefits. Problem solved. Christ.
I can't believe this only has 1800+ views. I believe Mr. Obama has angered enough people to cause a 'Republican Revolution' just like 1993, and most of his healthcare will be repealed. Focus on the damn economy, bring jobs back to America, and those jobs will have health benefits. Problem solved. Christ.
I stopped watching the vid at your first point. Government services try to turn a profit cause then you can put that money back into the service or other areas. All services try for this. Some can't such as the police for example.
@01mclaren Since you stoppwed prematurely I won't bother to discuss how you are wrong. Even though gov. services try to turn profit - that's just the point - they FAIL miserably even at that....
@marklross2 You say water treatment is there to protect the general public from harm. How is this not like healthcare? Oh and so if a neighbor sees you they wont call an ambulance cause you dying is not a threat to the wider community? Give me a break. Your arguments are as watertight as Niagara falls.
@01mclaren Healthcare is different from water treatment because it is, and should remain, individually focused. Your health needs aren't the same as mine, but all of our clean water requirements are virtually the same. If you can't see the difference - you are stupid...
@marklross2 What an absolute load of crap. Needing clean water is like needing to be healthy. There is more than one way to have clean water, and there is more than one way to go from sick to healthy. What the hell is your point?
@01mclaren OK - you are obviously slow - but I will try to be patient. The PUBLIC as a GROUP is assured clean water, and the PROCEDURE to give the PUBLIC clean water is ONE, and the SAME for each member of the public. Constitutionally - "providing for the GENERAL welfare." Good health is not constitutionally guaranteed to the individual. Each individual has DIFFERENT healthcare needs that are treated DIFFERENTLY BY THE INDIVIDUAL'S DOCTOR.
@marklross2 You didn't make any sense. The fact you advocate clean water (presumably for the welfare of everyone) is important and healthy citizens is not! Where in the 1780's document does it make this specific distinction between water and health (clean water is integral to a healthy society as much as good, affordable healthcare)? It's like the bible. People just interpret what they want.
If it is so unconstitutional how did Medicaid and Medicare come about.
@marklross2 Ahhh yes, name calling. The last defense in someone with a very weak or no argument. If my "ideology" is so unreasonable why does pretty much every country in the westernised world adopt it? Oh and you know those countries also kick America's arse in all the health care stats that really matter? Yet to see you even post a reasonable reply. Laters.
@01mclaren Ahhh yes - blind denial of the truth. You just ignore the facts I give you, or feign ignorance to the point of retardation, and then declare victory. Other westernized countries like Greece? That is now broke and riots are breaking out in the streets? Yeah - their system seems to be working much better than ours....Back to the point - I can give every person in the U.S. clean water using ONE process. It works for everyone. Can I give everyone IDENTICAL healthcare?
@marklross2 Interesting you mention Greece (because you didn't have a civil war?). WHO put their life expectancy above the U.S. They also spend less p/person on healthcare AND live longer. Good argument. Even missing, and I quote "PRETTY MUCH every country..." you manage to get it so wrong. Your argument is horrible! Can you give everyone the exact same police response? Thanks for the laughs, I love how angry you are getting over this and call me everything under the sun! How. Old. Are. You!
@01mclaren Our civil war wasn't fought over retirement benefits you idiot. Classic that you attack my age. That's EXACTLY how your socialist enforcers want you to think so that when they begin to ration care to the elderly because they view them as a waste of healthcare resources, assholes like you will not feel guilty. What a pawn of Marxist philosophy you are you predictable cunt.....
@marklross2 "Over retirement benefits"? When did I say that (Iknow what the civil war is about, I am an American citizen)? I didn't. You just have no reading comprehension! You are a tool, end of. I've given you enough chances to keep the discussion fair and respectable. You can't do that, so I don't care.
Terrible video. You really didn't make any valid points. The subject is healthcare. If you can somehow factually show that our private system is better than the rest of the hight successful governmental systems all over the world, please do so.
@dac8555 You just don't agree with the valid points I made. Why do Canadians still flood into America for medical treatment instead of waiting months for treatment?
@marklross2- they don't Flood. Some with the money who want an non-emergent treatment a little faster go to the US. It is true that non-emergent items like joint-relacement have a waiting list. we KNOW this. No argument. this is exactly the argument INFAVOR of both public and private. If there is public, you have the option of using it at less cost, but more of a wait. If you want to pay for convenience you can.
@marklross2-when I say it is terrible, i mean it was terrible. you are attacking the person who made the video saying that you dont agree that healthcare is as important or as essential as other public services. What really is more important than someones health? What you should argue is why all private is better than public/private. but you cant really argue that becuse stats show that overall public.private is far superior in almost every way.
@dac8555 I did not attack the person. I addressed the issue and rebutted his claims. "What really is more important than someones health? " I would rather be ill and free than healthy and enslaved by social medicine. You're belief that there can actually be a "public/private" system is fantasy. You have no statistics to support your claim of superiority.
@marklross2- Mark, The infamous Public/prvate info is available from the WHO, and you know it. I LIVE IN A COUNTRY WITH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE. it works great and exactly as explained. Those with money use private. Those who cant afford it at least have a safety net. result? Better free market system. the private hositals compete based on price and services, there is no insurance based system. The INSURANCE is what is screwing up the US.
@marklross2- A government health system doesn't "ENSALVE" at all, it liberates its citzens and creates more freedom becuse your quality of life is not contingent upon the size of your wallet. You have a very odd sense of "freedom". Freedom for you is "healtcare is only available to the welathy or those who work for major corporations with group policies?" really? "the system must be profit based or we are slaves?" I encourage you to spend some time outside the US amigo.
@dac8555 You are an idiot if you really believe only "wealthy" have insurance. My wife works retail and her policy supports me - a disabled person - and we are not wealthy. Your problem is that you don't realize that maintaining one's quality of life requires WORK. Earning the benefit of health insurance is as much a personal responsibility as is maintaining one's personal health through correct life choices etc...I have relatives abroad, all of whom complain about their social health systems...
@marklross2- Hey mark, stop with the name calling, it serves no function in this scenario.I'll repeat exactly what I just wrote "healthcare is only available to the wealthy or those who work for major corporations with group policies". Does you wife have a group policy from a corporation? i assume so. that "group" is certainly wealthy. Get an individual policy being disabled and see how much it costs. $2k a month maybe? more? The middle class cant afford that mark, the wealthy can.
@dac8555 When you say idiotic things, it is not name calling to identify you as such. Your concept of condemning a "group" policy as "wealthy" and somehow refusing to acknowledge that the members of the group are hard working middle class is ridiculous. Tell unions that their members do not deserve the health benefits they receive because they are "wealthy."
@marklross2- mark. I have a 132 IQ brother., I also have insurance licences, i know how they work. the "group" in the group policy creates the "wealth" nesecary in order to afford the coverage. it is the general concept of insurance. creating group to have a wealth of funds to pull from when needed. Without the group the individuals would need to be wealthy. power in numbers is the wealth mark.
@dac8555 ha ha ha ha Now we are going to start with the "I am smarter than you" kindergarten behavior - pathetic. I don't know my iq and don't need to know to know I have more common sense than you. If you think a government issued insurance policy to some welfare recipient is going to equal the playing field - you are more stupid than I thought.
If the government policy is so good, why does the legislation allow federal employees to opt out? Why will fat cat politicians get better medical care than the general public?
@marklross2- no. you called me stupid. I happen to have proof that I am not. You don't know you IQ becuse normally it isnt given to average people, it is administered to the gifted. Now, since I have proven you wrong multiple times, you change the subject. I am against the Insurance based system Mark. I think that is the fundamental issue that hasnt been addressed in the US. I don't see thinks black and white and I dont follow party lines or ideas.
@dac8555 You have proven me wrong only in your mind. Ha! Now you're "gifted."
You are just like Øbama - you think you know better than everyone else. You make me sick. You are what is wrong with the world. You elitists who think you know what is best for all the rest of us "average" people. Too bad what you have in IQ you lack in common sense and civility....
@marklross2- ah yes. the "common sense" argument. I would think that common sense would dictate to you Mark that ALL of the top 20 healthcare ssytems in the world Include some form of universal government care. The US (with private and non-universal coverage), is ranked 37th. therefore, common sense would say "um. What are they doing that we aren't" or "hey, we are getting screwed here" istead of "I LOVE INSURANCE COMPANIES!"
@dac8555 And common sense tells me that if our healthcare system is ranked 37th against other socialized systems - no wonder it is so low - as a socialized system it lacks in complete government control like the other systems - so it is ranked lower. I'm sure the ranking body will rate it higher as soon as ØbamaCare begins it's takeover. Common sense also says just look at other government programs as examples of massive inefficiencies...
@marklross2- and AGAIN...without a GROUP policy. YES you need to be WEALTHY in order to afford a indiviidual policy unless you are young with zero problems. A disableed person like yourself probably would have to pay out of pocket correct? who has $50k for a hip replacement mark? Brain anyeurism? $250k. the wealthy do. the middle class dont.
Ur an idiot
punkerleader 2 months ago
@punkerleader ur stooopid comment does not refute my argument - u fail
marklross2 2 months ago
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punkerleader 2 months ago
@marklross2 Well wat do all the dislikes tell u idiot u fail ! ha
punkerleader 2 months ago
@punkerleader all the OPINIONS (dislikes) do not refute my argument - u fail
marklross2 2 months ago
furthermore, "obamacare" is NOT universally government funded or "socialized" its a mandate to get your own in the market
bomberita2008 3 months ago
@bomberita2008 what if I don't want health insurance right away? maybe i want to wait until i'm a little older and more at risk. besides - there won't be a "market" once the industry collapses. are you an idiot - or don't you realize that businesses can't compete with government in ant "market" because businesses have to profit to survive - government simply mandates and taxes...
marklross2 3 months ago
no "waste fraud & abuse" happening in free market insurance programs?? i've got government funded health care and its personalized just fine for me. i'd have it no other way
bomberita2008 3 months ago
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@bomberita2008
"no "waste fraud & abuse" happening in free market insurance programs?? "
Sure, but i'm not forced to pay for it.
" i've got government funded health care and its personalized just fine for me. i'd have it no other way "
Of course you wouldn't... because I'm paying for it and you dont give a shit.
drshlotzkin 3 months ago
I'll refute this whole fucking video with one sentence. You will be denied health insurance if you have a preexisting condition.
BlindMaphisto 4 months ago
@BlindMaphisto Shows how stupid you are. I have already transferred my health insurance from one insurer to another 3 times without any mention of pre existing conditions. You should get your existing condition checked out - ya know - idiocy....
marklross2 4 months ago
@marklross2 "In 45 states across the country, insurance companies can discriminate against people based on their pre-existing conditions when they try to purchase health insurance directly from insurance companies in the individual insurance market.4 Insurers can deny them coverage, charge higher premiums, and/or refuse to cover that particular medical condition."
Most with preexisting conditions aren't so lucky as you. Of course your not THAT lucky. You do after all have shit for brains.
BlindMaphisto 4 months ago
@BlindMaphisto No wonder you want to eat my brains so much. You're an idiot. Even if the quote you posted without reference is true, it doesn't take the federal government eliminating an industry by taking it over to correct one thing that is wrong with it. Your citing the problem of pre-existing conditions as an excuse for a government take over of the health insurance industry is evidence of you being a mouth piece shill for Øbama...congratulations - tool...
marklross2 4 months ago
@marklross2 Careful or this will evolve into a real conversation.
BlindMaphisto 4 months ago
@BlindMaphisto Yes caution is advised. However, your warning does not successfully refute the fact that it doesn't take the federal government eliminating an industry by taking it over to correct one thing that is wrong with it.
marklross2 3 months ago
@marklross2 I'll meet with you in the middle and agree that there is something wrong with the private industry but the government is going too far in trying to rectify it.
BlindMaphisto 3 months ago
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@marklross2 I'll meet with you in the middle and agree that there is something wrong with the private industry but the government is going too far in trying to rectify it.
BlindMaphisto 3 months ago
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@marklross2 I'll meet with you in the middle and agree that there is something wrong with the private industry but the government is going too far in trying to rectify it.
BlindMaphisto 3 months ago
Would you pay for every transport in your city like bus or metro from your salary and never again had to buy tickets? Maybe not everyone wants to pay that, but answer me this: wouldn't be a nicer place for everyone, mostly for children and others that don't have the possibility of paying for that ticket, more, there wouldn't be lines at entrance or other place, and you would always have a backup plan if your car doesn't work. I know is hard to understand, but a free something is less evil.
EterIronGen 6 months ago
marklross2
social health care, one day I fell climbing a slope of a fortress, I had a bad wound in the chin and I lost consciousness, when I woke up I managed to get to the hospital, the only thing they asked was how it happened, they didn't request any documentation or money. And to tell you the true I felt good that I could hurt myself or my children could, without caring about other things.
And read my comment in the top comments of the video that you ridicule.
EterIronGen 6 months ago
@EterIronGen Just because you weren't asked for money doesn't mean that they did not expect to be paid for their service to you. Big deal - so their payment just comes directly from the government after they have TAKEN that money from someone more responsible than you...Wouldn't it be nice if everyone simply took responsibility for themselves?
marklross2 6 months ago
@marklross2
You read my comment in the top comments of the video that you ridicule?
I said there that doctors, because they don't have to save everyone might lose their sence of right and wrong.
Is better easily, for doctors and for you.
EterIronGen 6 months ago
@marklross2 if they don`t
EterIronGen 6 months ago
@EterIronGen nonsensical input noted...
marklross2 6 months ago
While I agree that we don't need socialized healthcare in the USA, I still think you're a self-absorbed egotistical asshole. You have 888 videos, get off youtube you sociopath.
VaticanIscaria 7 months ago
@VaticanIscaria None of my videos are about myself - yet you have the kind of ego that leads you to believe YOU know better about who should and should not be on You Tube...now - who's the sociopath?
marklross2 7 months ago
@marklross2 You obviously don't even know what a sociopath is. If you did you would realize you are one. Seek help.
VaticanIscaria 7 months ago
@VaticanIscaria Now you suppose to know the definitive connotation of a psychological term...hmmmm...delusions of grandeur much?
marklross2 7 months ago
@marklross2 I'm not going argue with you. You need help. Seek it immediately.
VaticanIscaria 7 months ago
@VaticanIscaria ha ha ha ha You're the sick one! Just because I have a different opinion than you about the nightmare that is socialized medicine, you claim I am some deviant - rather than present any rational argument - yes slink away cockhole.....
marklross2 7 months ago
@marklross2 Yes I'm the sick one. You don't even remember that in my very first statement I said I agree with you on socialized medicine. If you're going to spend your pathetic existence arguing with people on youtube you should at least be good at it. Take a speech argumentation class and see a psychiatrist. Good bye sociopath.
VaticanIscaria 7 months ago
@VaticanIscaria It's not that 'I don't remember you putz...it's that coming since it was from you - I DON'T CARE....
marklross2 7 months ago
@zedredification Yes - fine - the health of its citizens - in other words - make sure there is clean drinking water, inspect foods, keep the air clean - all things that promote the GENERAL welfare. My personal health needs aren't the same as yours. I want a healthcare plan that my doctor and I design - not one cooked up by some bean counting government official...
marklross2 8 months ago
@zedredification There is an already an agency to deal with spread of contagious disease - the CDC. Your personal health issues are yours alone regardless if other people may also suffer from the same issue. You are wrong - general welfare is not personal healthcare.
marklross2 8 months ago
@zedredification Wrong - health is PERSONAL welfare...
marklross2 8 months ago
@marklross2
Police are personal welfare also. Some people get robbed/raped/attacked, some don't. Why should we use our taxes for them? I don't get robbed.
Mectrixctic 7 months ago
@Mectrixctic Wrong - Police protect the public at large from crime. That any criminal who would otherwise threaten the general public is apprehended during a crime against an individual does not change the general nature of crime and the general approach to the solution. Whether it is you or me who happens to be the victim of a crime, the solution is the same - capture and prosecute the criminal, but my health problem does not have the same solution as your health problem.
marklross2 7 months ago
@marklross2
Nope, you're still wrong. The criminal may only attack a minority, or even just one person.
Seeing you are a sociopath, it may be hard to reason with you.
Mectrixctic 7 months ago
@Mectrixctic In with the unfounded ad hominem - good - typical libby argument tactic. You missed the point. Regardless who the criminal attacks - the "cure" is the same for all cases - catch the criminal and prosecute. Government can handle things with blanket remedies. Even if you and I have the same ailment - treatment will vary due do PERSONAL differences. This argument is pointless anyway - Øbama care will be revoked as unconstitutional anyway. Waste your breath if you want to libby...
marklross2 7 months ago
@marklross2
I didn't do an ad hominem. I simply insulted (IMO) you. If I put it in my argument, it would have been an ad hominem.
The cure isn't the same. They have to go through experiments, interviews, and much more. Then they have to have a trial, and punish the criminal based on the crime, his or her past legal issues, and whether the criminal is insane or not.
It's personal, Libty.
Countries with Socialized Healthcare are doing better than us- and the countries around them.
Mectrixctic 7 months ago
@Mectrixctic Splitting hairs over the definition of your argumentative fallacy wins no points - fail. You continue to be wrong. The specifics of the prosecution of the criminal does not alter the generalized approach to the "cure" - catch and prosecute the criminal . Your OPINION about the comparative status of nations is irrelevant...
marklross2 7 months ago
@marklross2
It;s not my oppinion- it's fact, based on life expectancy and livability.
Yes, the criminal is being cured- prison is a way for it to learn, and there are education and rehab centers there to make the criminal a useful force in society (unless it is a life sentence)
Mectrixctic 7 months ago
@Mectrixctic Livability? You mean like Greece? RIOTS Spain? RIOTS Face it - the socialist model is unraveling all across Europe and the world. REHAB? Ha! Look up RECIDIVISM This argument is pointless. I believe the Constitution guarantees the individual the freedom to PROVIDE FOR ONESELF. You believe it guarantees that the government will provide all...First provision - next - CONTROL Good luck...
marklross2 7 months ago
@marklross2
Looked it up, doesn't really prove your point.
I see you didn't include Sewden and Japan is your arguments.
Mectrixctic 7 months ago
@Mectrixctic Thanks for mentioning Sweden - my older brother lives there - says the health system sucks - wants to move back to the USA - you know - the country you love to hate...
marklross2 7 months ago
@marklross2
Why- so that he can easily rip off money from Americans?- you know, the people you hate.
Mectrixctic 7 months ago
lol "under socialism there is an attempt to make people homogenous" lol lol lol generalisation much?
RevolutionaryJam 8 months ago
So in your world the police department treats everybody equally? All governent-run programs are going to have the same fraud waste & abuse. Does that mean that it couldn't possibly be better than the sytem we currently are suffering from?
carloss1960 9 months ago
Please tell me how water treatment fits into the "protect the citizens model" of why it is an essential service? How this is different than a form of healthcare? You say that everyone has different medical needs and this is different than the fire service because one burning house is the same as another. Yet doctors are trained to treat the ailments of HUMANS, so how is it different when you go to a doctor than if I went to a doctor?
Jamato84 10 months ago
@Jamato84 If you can't understand how water purification is a generalized public health issue that is different from an individual need, you won't understand how your medical needs differ from mine - but I will try. When I go to the doctor, the doctor is seeing essentially a normal human being with some specific health issue. When you go to the doctor, the doctor has to take into account your mental deficiency...
marklross2 10 months ago
@marklross2 Wow that was genius, that took about as much talent as stealing someone else's video and voicing it over. So I take it you don't have good response because so early on in the discussion you resorted to a personal insult. I also find it comical that my post will have to pend approval...but what ever you wish Mein Fuhrer!
Jamato84 10 months ago
@marklross2 BTW, you also admitted that water treatment is socialized public health care which you support.
Jamato84 10 months ago
@Jamato84 Again - since you seem incapable of distinguishing "public health" issues from PERSONAL ones - this futile waste of my time has come to an end.....
marklross2 10 months ago
ALL civilized countries have universal health care.
They have a healthier populace and spend less for it.
These facts can be checked...
America likes to spend most of it's money on making wars and making billionaires.
jesusisaklingon 10 months ago
@jesusisaklingon Idiot - America does not "make" billionaires....they make themselves...maybe if you had any sense you might make yourself worth something......
marklross2 10 months ago
@jesusisaklingon A truly civilised country does not enslave its people by forcing them to fund the medical care...or any other service,of those they choose not to.A truly civilised county respects individual rights and protects them from those who would violate them claiming the "common good" or other such collectivist drivel as their mandate.
Riellysdad 9 months ago
@Riellysdad No one 'chooses' not to have health care dumb ass.
How stupid can you be??
jesusisaklingon 9 months ago
@jesusisaklingon As you seem pretty retarded I'll say it slowlyyyyyyyyyy for you.In a civilised society.. meaning one that respects peoples individual rights...(as the US was meant to be as envisioned by the founders)people are not forced to fund other peoples healthcare requirements.They take personal responsibility for their own needs and VOLUNTARILY help those they choose to.Get it? Now go back to bed Gomer......your sisters getting cold.
Riellysdad 9 months ago
@Riellysdad
The founders were ALL slave owners and misogynists, so their words are useless. If you live in a community then all the members are valuable. You don't want to help your fellow humans and can not admit that we are all in this together..That's YOUR problem. Every other industrialized country in the world has universal health care , it costs less than the US system and 36 countries are BETTER. You can take your insults and sit in the corner with them while sucking your thumb....
jesusisaklingon 9 months ago
@jesusisaklingon If you keep lying about the the founders, I'll block you. You are either an idiot or a liar to make such a stupid claim.
marklross2 9 months ago
@marklross2
You didn't know that ALL the signers of the Declaration were slave owners???!!!
You live in a fantasy world!! Try looking it up......
jesusisaklingon 9 months ago
@jesusisaklingon I looked it up - you're an idiot
[W]hy keep alive the question of slavery? It is admitted by all to be a great evil. 10 CHARLES CARROLL, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION
marklross2 9 months ago
@jesusisaklingon Christianity, by introducing into Europe the truest principles of humanity, universal benevolence, and brotherly love, had happily abolished civil slavery. Let us who profess the same religion practice its precepts . . . by agreeing to this duty. 14 RICHARD HENRY LEE, PRESIDENT OF CONTINENTAL CONGRESS; SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION
marklross2 9 months ago
@marklross2
As far as them being misogynists, women won the right to vote in the 1920s........
In their day only land owning white men could vote...
So it's, "all land owning white men are created equal" in their real world.
jesusisaklingon 9 months ago
@jesusisaklingon Domestic slavery is repugnant to the principles of Christianity. . . . It is rebellion against the authority of a common Father. It is a practical denial of the extent and efficacy of the death of a common Savior. It is an usurpation of the prerogative of the great Sovereign of the universe who has solemnly claimed an exclusive property in the souls of men. 19 BENJAMIN RUSH, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION
marklross2 9 months ago
@marklross2 You found ONE signer that didn't own slaves, actually there were TWO, but ALL the rest did own slaves...Washington, Jefferson, on and on....
jesusisaklingon 9 months ago
@jesusisaklingon You're an idiot. Are you saying that all of the representatives from the NORTHERN states who signed to declaration owned slaves? Think about what a stupid thing you are saying. Anyway - this video is not about slavery - it's about the travesty of Obamacare. I will ask you to stay on topic...
marklross2 9 months ago
@marklross2 You do know that Washington, Jefferson and Franklin owned slaves, don't you?
Are you just as knowledgeable about welfare reform? That is you know nothing about it?
The US spends more on health care than any other country but is 37th in actual overall health. Every other industrialized country has universal health care and 36 of them are cheaper AND better.
You are a moron with no argument.
jesusisaklingon 9 months ago
@jesusisaklingon Again with off topic bullshit...ignored...
marklross2 9 months ago
@marklross2 According to Michelle B. Bernard about 1/3 of those were slave owners including two of the three writers of the declaration, thomas jefferson who owned over 150 slaves, and ben franklin who only owned 2.
OK "only" 1/3 of the signers owned slaves but, 2/3 of the AUTHORS of the Declaration of Independence.
jesusisaklingon 9 months ago
@marklross2 I should read your own history what "Resusisaklingon" is factually accurate. A pity you feel the need to block people who are more knowledgable than you. Please feel free to block me. Regards.
davijeph 9 months ago
@davijeph You are an idiot if you believe the claims bout the Founders were "factually accurate." A liar is not "more knowledgable." If you wish to be blocked, just keep lying...
marklross2 9 months ago
@marklross2 Block or don't block who gives a shit. The fact you are a US citizen and seem ignorant of the undeniable fact that certain Founders owned slaves including Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, Van Buren and others is amazing. The statements by "Resusisaklingon" on US health-costs and ratings are also true. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context” it the most knowledgeable unbiased video too be found on the subject on youtube. Regards
davijeph 9 months ago
@davijeph You ASSHOLE...I never denied that SOME founders were slave holders (before renouncing the practice), but the other ASSHOLE you are defending claimed that ALL the founders were slave owners (I thought you said you had read his comments) which is untrue. You are both lying assholes...I reject any claims about healthcare data you may cie based upon the fact that you lie...
marklross2 9 months ago
@marklross2 You hypocrite, they certainly all signed a document that enabled the practice of slavery to continue for another 3 score years and ten,"all men are created equal" my arse. The only reason it was abolished then was because Lincoln needed a "cause" to maintain the civil war. He was willing for the South to keep slavery if stayed within the Union. Reject what I say by all means but only a bigoted dick head like you would reject " “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”
davijeph 9 months ago
@davijeph Why should I even continue to argue with someone who denies the history of abolition and creates out of thin air his own mischaracterizations of our founding documents? Believe whatever drivel you care to you fucking idiot. If it makes you feel better - good for you!
marklross2 9 months ago
@marklross2 I don't know, why should you continue to argue with someone who denies the history of abolition and creates out of thin air his own mischaracterisations of your founding documents? It seems you take after Glenn Beck who could never understand that only a complete fucking idiot would actually argue with idiots.
davijeph 9 months ago
@davijeph Thanks for the compliment...
marklross2 9 months ago
@davijeph You seem to think that the South had other reasons to secede from the Union. I would like to hear your theories for the cause of the Civil War. I wasn't aware that Lincoln was willing to allow slavery in the South just to keep them from seceding from the Union. If that were the case, wouldn't the South have avoided the whole situation that was jeopardizing their economy? Where do you study American HIstory? Is that European version?
carloss1960 9 months ago
@carloss1960 "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that." Part of a letter Lincoln wrote in response to article in the New York Tribune after it had urged abolition.Their where many reasons why the South tried to break with the Union and would suggest reading one of the many of the excellent books on the subject. Regards.
davijeph 9 months ago
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@marklross2 Lincoln- "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it," .Oh and Jefferson died owning slaves he "rejected" slavery so much he died owning more than 130 of them. So double asshole to you.
davijeph 9 months ago
@Riellysdad Civilised "having a high state of culture and development both Social and technological". A civilised society recognises the need for collective social protection in order to maintain civilised values. The rights of the individual in a civilised society are strong and many but they will ultimately be subservient to the needs of the many, even in the US constitution or no constitution. Your constitution only allows for a volunteer army but citizens can be drafted into it by force.
davijeph 9 months ago
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you poor,dumb,morons.
I hope anyone who thinks medical care should not be equal to postal care,police care,fire care,fixing the fucking potholes in the street care,gets in a serious accident or contracts a serious illness,loses all theirs(& their family's) assets...TO SOME FILTHY RICH COMPANY OR DOCTOR
BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO DONT SUPPORT IT
& thats why you're poor,dumb morons
toobularbells 10 months ago
you poor,dumb,morons.
I hope anyone who thinks medical care should not be equal to postal care,police care,fire care,fixing the fucking potholes in the street care,gets in a serious accident or contracts a serious illness,loses all theirs(& their family's) assets...TO SOME FILTHY RICH COMPANY OR DOCTOR
BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO DONT SUPPORT IT
& thats why you're poor,dumb morons
toobularbells 11 months ago
You don't understand public health at all do you?
If you don't think saving people's lives is a public service to the general public.
The fire example: diseases don't spread? Pfft..
Also: if a place is on fire and no other homes around - by your logic the fire department wouldn't bother extinguishing it.
You really should look at pretty much every other developed nation's public health. It can be done and IS done everywhere else (and we get cheaper/better results).
NathanAndBike 1 year ago
@NathanAndBike You don't understand the role and scope of government at all do you - your disease example: There is already the CDC pfft...Even if other homes aren't threatened, home fires affect air quality, so the solo home fire is still extinguished - you are wrong again...finaly - I need look no further than the "developed" nations in Europe, who, due to the destruction of their economies by social programs like socialized medicine are rioting in the streets -
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 So you're worried more about the impact of air quality of a burning house, but not the health impact of helping people with bleeding wounds who will die without intervention? Wow.
Rioting in the streets? I presume you mean the UK. Do you know WHY they are rioting? Because there's an attempt to make tertiary (that's college/university) education fees much more expensive. Absolutely nothing to do with healthcare and is just one country in Europe.
Just checked: no riots here in Sydney.
NathanAndBike 1 year ago
@marklross2
What are you,braindead? your gov't just gave 7 billion dollars to guys who showed up in private jets(the guys who "destroyed your economy") & guys who promptly gave themselves multi-million dollar bonuses.
I hope you get very sick,lose all your assets(& your family's) to some filthy rich company
LMFAO @ U
toobularbells 11 months ago
@toobularbells Classic socialist sentiment - wishing ill will to befall a fellow human being - lots of class idiot...
marklross2 10 months ago
@marklross2
inbred moron
toobularbells 10 months ago
@toobularbells Your predictably idiotic comment does not refute the argument...
marklross2 10 months ago
@marklross2 No,my 1st comment does you fucking moron LMAO
toobularbells 10 months ago
@toobularbells oh yeah - your first comment in which you wished sickness to befall another human being. All reading your comment knows who the real asshole is here you cockfucking idiot...
marklross2 10 months ago
@marklross2 you wanna suck my what?...For how much?
Im done tapping on your glass ya fuckin retard
toobularbells 10 months ago
@toobularbells ha ha ha ha buh bye loser! Thanks for proving the socialist model to all: wish sickness upon others....class, real class....
marklross2 10 months ago
@NathanAndBike but hey - at least when they set fires, the fire department is still there to put them out
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 If you thought about what you said: you've placed protection of personal property above personal health.
You don't seem to understand just how broken your system is currently. I (and other people in places with a proper health system) can't understand how you can live in a place which has such a massive risk of getting denied essential health care or which can send you bankrupt because it is so ineffective and so overpriced via the insurance system.
NathanAndBike 1 year ago
@NathanAndBike No - no I haven't - you just misinterpret what I say to make yourself feel better about the substandard level of care you receive from your state run system. What you really need is to be treated for your delusion that you suffer from - believing that your system has eliminated the inevitable fact that healthcare is a personal responsibility, and people who work hard to acquire wealth in order to ensure that responsibility will always bee in a better position to do so...
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 Again you're ignorant of how healthcare works in Australian and other countries: you can.. wait for it.. also buy private health cover.
Many people have worked hard to "acquire wealth" only to lose everything because of bad luck/injury. Why would you want a system that ensures that at any time you can have your savings snatched away (as per the 50% of bankruptcies in the USA due to medical bills). Or if you happen to be born poor and sick: you never get a chance to earn anything.
NathanAndBike 1 year ago
@NathanAndBike I don't care how healthcare works in Australia - Australia isn't the U. S. We Americans aren't cattle. We don't think like you - our needs are different. We will repeal Øbamacare here, and make the specific reforms to the health insurance industry as necessary without surrendering more of our autonomy to our government...
marklross2 1 year ago
Healthcare does protect the public from harm, literally.
Embrigh 1 year ago
@Embrigh Interesting observation...
marklross2 1 year ago
Nothing is perfect...that's why pencils have erasers. In terms of Health care, each system opposite the spectrum has its own flaws. Its like choosing lesser of two evils. We all need to figure our and agree on which "evil" system is more efficient/effective than its opposite...Universal Health Care or Private run insurance companies. THAT'S THE HARD PART.
jonnyM40 1 year ago
@jonnyM40 Yes - but when it comes to the U.S. government and its track record in social programs, the obvious choice is not to allow the government to do to our healthcare system what it did to this country's educational system through the bureaucracy of the Dept. of Education - failure - utter failure....
marklross2 1 year ago
You ought to see Fireman Sam! But I do agree with your video overall. Government can't handle individual and unique problems. That is why religion is suppressed - the government is too inefficient to shovel through all of the differences and unique social issues found in religion, so they just say that it should be a personal matter that you alone should decide on. For individual services like healthcare, religion, education, etc, privatisation with some LOOSE restrictions might be best.
GenghisKhan44 1 year ago
@GenghisKhan44 I think you're on to something....
marklross2 1 year ago
Looking for something that provides genuine knowledge in an unbiased, mature informed way into some aspects of this important debate? Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context:”
davijeph 1 year ago
You fail to see that HEALTH is a human right. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" (a paraphrasing of father of liberalism, John Locke's words), as said in your Declaration of Independence, should give us this right. Health corporations (businesses creating a product out of a right) are designed to not only generate profit, but as well constantly increase profit. Otherwise they are failures. Canada has a system not only spending LESS on health, but offering medicare to all. Rebut that.
connorbevans 1 year ago
@connorbevans You fail to see health is not a human right. Individuals are responsible for their own health. We have the right to preserve our own health without interference from others. Rights must be applied equally to all. Some people drink alcohol. That compromises their health. If their health is to be guaranteed, they must not be allowed to compromise it. Some people smoke. Their health will not be as good as non-smokers. Therefore, the right to health is not being fairly applied....
marklross2 1 year ago
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connorbevans 1 year ago
@marklross2 Sorry bout the removal, made a typo:
The declaration of independence guarantees the rights I made note of, and states them as inalienable. This means that neither the state nor the citizen may waive them. Also, well-developed countries with universal health care often have better life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, and so on, while still spending less money on health. Feel free to rebut this one through message, as the 500 character censorship is a nuisance.
connorbevans 1 year ago
@connorbevans Your claims about life expectancy, etc, can not be solely attributed to any kind of health insurance system. Too many other factors come in to play to make a direct comparison between different health insurance systems between different human populations. Also, the cost of health does not change. if by spending less on health" you mean the individual, it is merely because the cost burden has been shifted to someone else. For instance the dissatisfied doctor paid less for service.
marklross2 1 year ago
I apologize but my message is over 500 words. I'm not going to edit it down. It's in a message.
connorbevans 1 year ago
Why is it that firemen go inside the burning buildings, risking their lives and safety, in order to save people from the flames whilst the house is still burning? Might it be because they do have a responsiblity to save people from fire, to save INDIVIDUALS from fire. The logic in this video is so fallacious it hurts.
elkrobber 1 year ago
@elkrobber You are wrong about the logic of this video. That only exposes the fact that you re either naive or partisan. Your point is obvious on its face. Ofcourse firemen attempt to save lives. That in no way invalidates the argument that comparing emergency response to fire is in anyway comparable to meeting the myriad of diverse health needs of a population....
marklross2 1 year ago
An injury to one is an injury to all.
elkrobber 1 year ago
Wow. Seriously? I was trying to be polite and make sure you weren't doing what I think you were doing, but I should've just jumped right into it. I tried to give you a compliment and in return you criticized me. I responded correcting you and you said "WHERE?" like I was lying or had to prove something to you. Learn some manners you asshole.
KurohigeStudios 1 year ago
@KurohigeStudios Just because you are unable to follow simple sequences of comments and depend on asking questions like," uh - what did you say?" - doesn't mean others do....you have misinterpreted impatience as disrespect...
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 Is something wrong with you? I wasn't even talking about your impatience I was talking about your rude behavior in the first two comments when your patience level wasn't even a factor. Yet another argument you clearly lose, good day sir.
KurohigeStudios 1 year ago
So what did you mean?
KurohigeStudios 1 year ago
@KurohigeStudios Just what I said....
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 Yeah, I'm asking you to clarify what you said. "Why don't you tear it apart instead of just watching..." "WHERE?" What did you mean by that?
KurohigeStudios 1 year ago
@KurohigeStudios Sorry - if you can't follow the simple sequence of our exchanges, I haven't the time to waste....
marklross2 1 year ago
Good bit with the fire analogy, I always enjoy watching strawman arguments be torn apart.
KurohigeStudios 1 year ago
@KurohigeStudios Why don't you tear it apart instead of just watching....
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 I do
KurohigeStudios 1 year ago
@KurohigeStudios WHERE?
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 What do you mean? I get into arguments with people on other youtube pages, but I would hardly call that productive. I'm politically involved in the community, school, etc. if that's what you mean.
KurohigeStudios 1 year ago
What's with the rape soundtrack?
cindermaker 1 year ago
@cindermaker Your characterization of the soundtrack only exposes what a twisted individual you are...
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 I didn't even say whether I agreed with you or not, way-to-jump to conclusions.
cindermaker 1 year ago
@cindermaker I don't care what your position is. I am not jumping to any conclusion. I am rightfully assessing you to have a twisted personality because you have an obsession about rape.
marklross2 1 year ago
Didn't mean to post the same thing twice; The new YouTube pisses me off.
DevSodDribble 1 year ago
@DevSodDribble A good point deserves being repeated....
marklross2 1 year ago
I can't believe this only has 1800+ views. I believe Mr. Obama has angered enough people to cause a 'Republican Revolution' just like 1993, and most of his healthcare will be repealed. Focus on the damn economy, bring jobs back to America, and those jobs will have health benefits. Problem solved. Christ.
DevSodDribble 1 year ago
I can't believe this only has 1800+ views. I believe Mr. Obama has angered enough people to cause a 'Republican Revolution' just like 1993, and most of his healthcare will be repealed. Focus on the damn economy, bring jobs back to America, and those jobs will have health benefits. Problem solved. Christ.
DevSodDribble 1 year ago
I stopped watching the vid at your first point. Government services try to turn a profit cause then you can put that money back into the service or other areas. All services try for this. Some can't such as the police for example.
01mclaren 1 year ago
@01mclaren Since you stoppwed prematurely I won't bother to discuss how you are wrong. Even though gov. services try to turn profit - that's just the point - they FAIL miserably even at that....
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 You say water treatment is there to protect the general public from harm. How is this not like healthcare? Oh and so if a neighbor sees you they wont call an ambulance cause you dying is not a threat to the wider community? Give me a break. Your arguments are as watertight as Niagara falls.
01mclaren 1 year ago
@01mclaren Healthcare is different from water treatment because it is, and should remain, individually focused. Your health needs aren't the same as mine, but all of our clean water requirements are virtually the same. If you can't see the difference - you are stupid...
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 What an absolute load of crap. Needing clean water is like needing to be healthy. There is more than one way to have clean water, and there is more than one way to go from sick to healthy. What the hell is your point?
01mclaren 1 year ago
@01mclaren OK - you are obviously slow - but I will try to be patient. The PUBLIC as a GROUP is assured clean water, and the PROCEDURE to give the PUBLIC clean water is ONE, and the SAME for each member of the public. Constitutionally - "providing for the GENERAL welfare." Good health is not constitutionally guaranteed to the individual. Each individual has DIFFERENT healthcare needs that are treated DIFFERENTLY BY THE INDIVIDUAL'S DOCTOR.
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 You didn't make any sense. The fact you advocate clean water (presumably for the welfare of everyone) is important and healthy citizens is not! Where in the 1780's document does it make this specific distinction between water and health (clean water is integral to a healthy society as much as good, affordable healthcare)? It's like the bible. People just interpret what they want.
If it is so unconstitutional how did Medicaid and Medicare come about.
01mclaren 1 year ago
@01mclaren Nope - I'm through trying to reason with an idiot or ideologue.
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 Ahhh yes, name calling. The last defense in someone with a very weak or no argument. If my "ideology" is so unreasonable why does pretty much every country in the westernised world adopt it? Oh and you know those countries also kick America's arse in all the health care stats that really matter? Yet to see you even post a reasonable reply. Laters.
01mclaren 1 year ago
@01mclaren Ahhh yes - blind denial of the truth. You just ignore the facts I give you, or feign ignorance to the point of retardation, and then declare victory. Other westernized countries like Greece? That is now broke and riots are breaking out in the streets? Yeah - their system seems to be working much better than ours....Back to the point - I can give every person in the U.S. clean water using ONE process. It works for everyone. Can I give everyone IDENTICAL healthcare?
You fucking idiot...
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 Interesting you mention Greece (because you didn't have a civil war?). WHO put their life expectancy above the U.S. They also spend less p/person on healthcare AND live longer. Good argument. Even missing, and I quote "PRETTY MUCH every country..." you manage to get it so wrong. Your argument is horrible! Can you give everyone the exact same police response? Thanks for the laughs, I love how angry you are getting over this and call me everything under the sun! How. Old. Are. You!
01mclaren 1 year ago
@01mclaren Our civil war wasn't fought over retirement benefits you idiot. Classic that you attack my age. That's EXACTLY how your socialist enforcers want you to think so that when they begin to ration care to the elderly because they view them as a waste of healthcare resources, assholes like you will not feel guilty. What a pawn of Marxist philosophy you are you predictable cunt.....
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 "Over retirement benefits"? When did I say that (Iknow what the civil war is about, I am an American citizen)? I didn't. You just have no reading comprehension! You are a tool, end of. I've given you enough chances to keep the discussion fair and respectable. You can't do that, so I don't care.
01mclaren 1 year ago 2
@01mclaren You said: Interesting you mention Greece (because you didn't have a civil war?).
Comparing the riots in greece to the Civil War. Did you not?
That analogy is stupid. Our Civil War was not waged because we were dissatisfied with the government cutting our retirement benefits.
Now that I have shown your comment to be ridiculous, you get convenient amnesia....
marklross2 1 year ago
Terrible video. You really didn't make any valid points. The subject is healthcare. If you can somehow factually show that our private system is better than the rest of the hight successful governmental systems all over the world, please do so.
dac8555 1 year ago
@dac8555 You just don't agree with the valid points I made. Why do Canadians still flood into America for medical treatment instead of waiting months for treatment?
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2- they don't Flood. Some with the money who want an non-emergent treatment a little faster go to the US. It is true that non-emergent items like joint-relacement have a waiting list. we KNOW this. No argument. this is exactly the argument INFAVOR of both public and private. If there is public, you have the option of using it at less cost, but more of a wait. If you want to pay for convenience you can.
dac8555 1 year ago
@marklross2-when I say it is terrible, i mean it was terrible. you are attacking the person who made the video saying that you dont agree that healthcare is as important or as essential as other public services. What really is more important than someones health? What you should argue is why all private is better than public/private. but you cant really argue that becuse stats show that overall public.private is far superior in almost every way.
dac8555 1 year ago
@dac8555 I did not attack the person. I addressed the issue and rebutted his claims. "What really is more important than someones health? " I would rather be ill and free than healthy and enslaved by social medicine. You're belief that there can actually be a "public/private" system is fantasy. You have no statistics to support your claim of superiority.
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2- Mark, The infamous Public/prvate info is available from the WHO, and you know it. I LIVE IN A COUNTRY WITH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE. it works great and exactly as explained. Those with money use private. Those who cant afford it at least have a safety net. result? Better free market system. the private hositals compete based on price and services, there is no insurance based system. The INSURANCE is what is screwing up the US.
dac8555 1 year ago
@marklross2- A government health system doesn't "ENSALVE" at all, it liberates its citzens and creates more freedom becuse your quality of life is not contingent upon the size of your wallet. You have a very odd sense of "freedom". Freedom for you is "healtcare is only available to the welathy or those who work for major corporations with group policies?" really? "the system must be profit based or we are slaves?" I encourage you to spend some time outside the US amigo.
dac8555 1 year ago
@dac8555 You are an idiot if you really believe only "wealthy" have insurance. My wife works retail and her policy supports me - a disabled person - and we are not wealthy. Your problem is that you don't realize that maintaining one's quality of life requires WORK. Earning the benefit of health insurance is as much a personal responsibility as is maintaining one's personal health through correct life choices etc...I have relatives abroad, all of whom complain about their social health systems...
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2- Hey mark, stop with the name calling, it serves no function in this scenario.I'll repeat exactly what I just wrote "healthcare is only available to the wealthy or those who work for major corporations with group policies". Does you wife have a group policy from a corporation? i assume so. that "group" is certainly wealthy. Get an individual policy being disabled and see how much it costs. $2k a month maybe? more? The middle class cant afford that mark, the wealthy can.
dac8555 1 year ago
@dac8555 When you say idiotic things, it is not name calling to identify you as such. Your concept of condemning a "group" policy as "wealthy" and somehow refusing to acknowledge that the members of the group are hard working middle class is ridiculous. Tell unions that their members do not deserve the health benefits they receive because they are "wealthy."
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2- mark. I have a 132 IQ brother., I also have insurance licences, i know how they work. the "group" in the group policy creates the "wealth" nesecary in order to afford the coverage. it is the general concept of insurance. creating group to have a wealth of funds to pull from when needed. Without the group the individuals would need to be wealthy. power in numbers is the wealth mark.
dac8555 1 year ago
@dac8555 ha ha ha ha Now we are going to start with the "I am smarter than you" kindergarten behavior - pathetic. I don't know my iq and don't need to know to know I have more common sense than you. If you think a government issued insurance policy to some welfare recipient is going to equal the playing field - you are more stupid than I thought.
marklross2 1 year ago
If the government policy is so good, why does the legislation allow federal employees to opt out? Why will fat cat politicians get better medical care than the general public?
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2- no. you called me stupid. I happen to have proof that I am not. You don't know you IQ becuse normally it isnt given to average people, it is administered to the gifted. Now, since I have proven you wrong multiple times, you change the subject. I am against the Insurance based system Mark. I think that is the fundamental issue that hasnt been addressed in the US. I don't see thinks black and white and I dont follow party lines or ideas.
dac8555 1 year ago
@dac8555 You have proven me wrong only in your mind. Ha! Now you're "gifted."
You are just like Øbama - you think you know better than everyone else. You make me sick. You are what is wrong with the world. You elitists who think you know what is best for all the rest of us "average" people. Too bad what you have in IQ you lack in common sense and civility....
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2- ah yes. the "common sense" argument. I would think that common sense would dictate to you Mark that ALL of the top 20 healthcare ssytems in the world Include some form of universal government care. The US (with private and non-universal coverage), is ranked 37th. therefore, common sense would say "um. What are they doing that we aren't" or "hey, we are getting screwed here" istead of "I LOVE INSURANCE COMPANIES!"
dac8555 1 year ago
@dac8555 And common sense tells me that if our healthcare system is ranked 37th against other socialized systems - no wonder it is so low - as a socialized system it lacks in complete government control like the other systems - so it is ranked lower. I'm sure the ranking body will rate it higher as soon as ØbamaCare begins it's takeover. Common sense also says just look at other government programs as examples of massive inefficiencies...
marklross2 1 year ago
@marklross2 What?
01mclaren 1 year ago
@marklross2- and AGAIN...without a GROUP policy. YES you need to be WEALTHY in order to afford a indiviidual policy unless you are young with zero problems. A disableed person like yourself probably would have to pay out of pocket correct? who has $50k for a hip replacement mark? Brain anyeurism? $250k. the wealthy do. the middle class dont.
dac8555 1 year ago