What's interesting about this, is that she's actually talking about it at all. From everything I've read and heard about her, she wasn't prone to talking introspectively, especially about the afterlife. Spencer Tracy told Katharine Houghton that her aunt never liked to talk about the idea of what happened to you in the afterlife. Maybe it was something she thought more about after he died, possibly because he was so haunted by it.
She did practice what she believed. When Judy Garland was fired or suspended from MGM & she nicked her throat with a piece of glass & was bedridden, it was all over the newspapers. Only three people in Hollywood came to see her & Hepburn was one of them. She told Judy that she was one of the greatest Hollywood talents & that she was going to make it & to not let the studio get her down. No hypocrisy in this lady. She lived what she believed.
I think you cherish things much much more when you don't believe in the supernatural: we only know if this one life, so we better do with it the best that we can, because nothing else has been promised.
She was an atheist, but she believed and practiced what God is all about! It doesn't matter if people believe on a deity or not, as long as they live righteously is all that matters!
Wonderful interview and I totally agree with KH. I recently attended my God-daughters first holy communion at our local Catholic church. The sight of dozens small girls dressed up like brides, presenting themselves as virgin offerings to Christ in church filled me with despair. A pagan ritual that belonged in a Hammer House of Horrors movie. Jesus means goodness and knowing what is right, looking out for your fellow man. Nothing more.
Katie was always on to something; she's one of the main reasons I became an atheist, she started me thinking everything through. Wonderfully intelligent, talented woman.
I have faith but I do agree with her as far as we can't make others believe what we believe,as she said for her,a notion.even though I have had a spritual experience,I can not prove it to anyone,not even myself.She's absoluely breathtaking!
@wimsweden For me,it's Jesus Christ but I can not Make someone else believe what I believe because of a personal experience I have had.All I can do is tell them the Good News and pray,then it's out of my hands! She still was a wonderful woman and I hope to God she made it back to Him when she left here,don't you?
You have "faith" in a 2000-year-old dead rabbi? What does that mean? Do you have to devote a part of your brain to the belief that this rabbi actually performed miracles?
"All I can do is tell them the Good News" Why? Your god needs middlemen?
"and pray" Why? So your god changes his mind? So you make the person change their mind by a magic "intervention"?
"I hope to God she made it back to Him" aka "God loves you so much he'll send you to hell if you don't accept him."
@sweet161402 I answered your question.your question was:"faith in what?" and "define 'faith'." I did.I had a Spiritual experience when I was five years old.It's too long to go into here.If you want to know something about God,spirituality etc. why don't you talk to someone?Don't use me as your target for your frustation.I'll pray for you that you find some PEACE.
My last question to you was about your personal experience, as you yourself admit in your reply. You were FIVE years old when you had an "experience"? Are you serious?
"Don't use me as your target for your frustation." There you go with the pseudo psycho-analysis again.
@wimsweden Listen,this is sad not to mention insulting to this channel and the lady Katherine Hepburn.If I told you MY experience,NOT YOURS,youv'e already made up your mind I would have imagined it because you my friend are an atheist and there's nothing I can say to you to make you understand what I ALONE EXPERIENCED! Believe what you want,don't believe what you want.I don't care.Atheist are always so uptight.Yeah,I labeled it! You got it! See ya,wouldn't wanna be ya!
You were FIVE. That's not an experience, it's your imagination and a whole lot of time to develop false memories. 5-year-olds see monsters and have imaginary friends.
"youv'e already made up your mind I would have imagined it because you my friend are an atheist" Classic ad hominem. Not a mere insult, but an actual ad hominem argument.
"Atheist are always so uptight." Generalisation and what exactly do you mean. Uptight as in "angry" or uptight as in "rigidly conventional"?
It is amazing how "un-religious" and mean some so-called god-followers will get when they are threatened with facts. This just shows how much of a fable religion is. The Catholic Church trying to prevent contraception is another...
Katherine lived in the real world - not some make-believe idea (religion). What makes most people believe that their existence for eternity is important? Such arrogance.
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classless nasty pig of a woman. not the kind of person i would want to be around. she is insane. i know so many good people of average standing that outclass this pig by so far. money does not equal class. she was raised in a nasty self centered unrealistic family who had no spirituality and misguided their children. she contradicts herself too when speaking of religion and god. btw i know some people may hate the comment. don't write to me..i don't care.
@sweetkittytwine She's entitled to her own Opinion. She was a great actress.the only thing that is classless and nasty is your terribly misinformed "Opinion"" Katharine Hepburn is a Legend and always will be so DEAL WITH IT!!
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I don't agree with her. I know of two people in my life who did very bad things that resulted in their monetary profit and they were thrilled about it and if Ms Hepburn wasn't arrogant, self-righteous and prone in her own way to follow the norms of Hollywood Babylon she wouldn't have gotten where she was then. I'm sure of one ally in this OPINION. . . Spencer Tracy's late wife. THINK!!!!!!!! Nuff said.
@sidrahsiddiqui well good for you. On both degree and opinion. l just admire the woman so l honestly don't dare speculating what formed her or anyone elses opinions on these matters. You mantioned what she ought've read so l tought her degree should be mantioned. That's about it.
@TheMrmi22 I am not speculating, because technically, it is more intense. I am just assuming that she has not read much apparently. For a public figure only, anyone can assume about her. when people fancy film stars, they damn well have a right to hold an assumption about them. this is how tricky public life is, despite she trying her best to leave the public aspect out of it.
@sidrahsiddiqui l didn't say you were, l just said l don't won't to ,not on subject of her belifs, nor on how much she has or hasn't read. Again, that's about it. l didn't mean to open a discussion about any of those things l just pointed out one small detail, which is her college education. l'm not assuming a lot by it, exept that it exested. That's all. You have the right to see it any way you see fit. My mentioning of her degree doesn't take anything away from it.
@simmy3000 no, if this could be the case, then someone who has not read will also say so. or for that matter someone who has read could go on just the opposite side of what she is saying here. i think that had she read more, her views would have not been that simple as to say that we just lie in rest happy after we die. i m not holding her for every word, but this is too simplistic to be real.
@sidrahsiddiqui what the blazes are you on about? she doesn't know, she asserted her ignorance, how could anyone possibly know what happens after death? this is the wisest view point, to assert knowledge of anything else would be plain stupidity.
@simmy3000 I am not saying that she had knowledge what happens in the afterlife, nor does anyone living. it is impossible to know, though some disciplines would claim otherwise. all I am saying is that to have nothing in the afterlife except lying plainly happy in rest is too simplistic. She is entitle to her view.
@sidrahsiddiqui 'too simplistic' based on what? why does it need to be complicated? you just said you don't know what happens so your view point is flawed. It is very likely that once you die then there is nothing, much like before you were born, there was nothing, this was her viewpoint and the most realistic view we have, we couldn't possibly know otherwise. All religions that claim to have the answers are telling lies, based on no evidence whatsoever. It's absurd
@simmy3000 is it not simplistic to say nothing happens? when nothing happens, things are not complicated. they are nothing at all. Since we are born with an ability to reason and have emotions, life is complicated. when life ends, it has to be complicated too. because as of now, human mind can conceive only an on and an off, a beginning and an ending, in opposites. so it all just did not start randomly, nor would end randomly. I am not asking you to believe this or to think this way.
@sidrahsiddiqui sorry but your skewed logic doesn't make any sense at all, so don't worry there would be no danger of you making me think these way. Your conclusions don't have any solid philosophical grounding, you're just going on a hunch, why is our existence not 'random'? you don't know why.
@simmy3000 I am not saying either that my words are influential. I was just clearing it out from what you said prior to this. If you study philosophy of logic you would know why. Its simply logical.
@simmy3000 I am saying that she ought to have read philosophy and about religion and history of different nations, then should would had definitely came to conclude that even after life, things are complicated.
@sidrahsiddiqui if you'd made a decent argument I would have excepted it, your 'opinion' in this case however, doesn't make a blind bit of difference to anything
@simmy3000 I would suggest you read on Intelligent Design theory and also watch the documentary "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed". It will substantiate my view about using the philosophy of logic, or logic to understand life and after life.
Got to admire her. She speaks intelligently and passionatly on her views. One doesnt need religion to be a moral person. I've met many Atheists who were far more moral than most Christians I've met.
I admire Ms. Hepburn as an actress but her relativistic view of morality is dangerous. After all, if there is no absolute truth - and no God who gives it - then loving your neighbor and eating him are equally noble depending on your point of view. Good and evil are in the eye of the beholder. More than that, they become indistinguishable. And it should be noted that Christ served others in order to bring glory to God the Father, so that others would know him.
@JWGames How is her view on morality dangerous? She says that you should live to help others and that anyone who gets joy from hurting anyone else is diseased. How is that dangerous? Which God should get to define morality? The Jewish God? The Islamic God? The Methodist God? The Catholic God? The Wiccan God? Who gets to decide which God is the one who gets to decide morality. Every person defines their own morality, either through religion or without it. One doesnt need religion to be moral.
You can't have one with out the other, We will all face heaven or hell and judgement. I hope she fiqure this out before she said bye.... Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Not just someone who did good things yet the reason we live........
@godskidable agreed ! Jesus is the only way & without a relationship with him you can't go to heaven. There is a heaven & hell & the choice is up to each one.
@godskidable Maybe the reason YOU live...but millions if not billions of people don't care about the Jesus character. So he's the SON of God? Because I hear Christians all the time refer to Jesus AS God. Then again, he seems to fill both roles....son when you need him to be, God when you need him to be. Very convenient.
@godskidable No deathbed conversions for Ms. Hepburn...she remained intelligent enough to see right through your nonsensical fairy tales right to the very end.
Though I am religious and I believe in God I have to say that Katharine was a very strong will independent woman who spoke her beliefs!I admire that about her
I find it ironic that a woman who carried on a love affair with a married man for decades could feel comfortable talking about the difference between right and wrong. I wonder how she justifies her relationship with Spencer Tracy in her own mind.
I have no problem with defending that statement..Christ himself said do not take your pearls and cast it to swine. So your issues are not really me but Christ Himself...take it up with Him...Christ was never some liberal pacifist...He was very clear when you are dealing with those who have NO interest in God's truth don't waste your time...Perhaps the Jesus some people believe in is only the one in their own mind but not the One who lived and breathed and spoke on this earth and allowed
I read Hepburns book, and I know she is an athiest. The bible is a book of threats and of a measure of hope. If I can't see, hear, touch or smell something...it just isn't there. I was born into a Catholic family, left and became a Mormon. I went to bible classes in a Babtist church, for several years. I know that when you die..and turn to dust..there is nobody and nothing, that is going to make you rise..and become yourself..including youth and health. It is impossible, and can never be proved
She was one of the world great actresses. But when I hear anyone say that when you live and work for the good of other people (paraphrase) then my question is, what are the "other" people supposed live for.
@1927Norma I'm not saying it's a universal compass, I'm not saying giraffes know the difference between right and wrong. I would think morality comes from the evolution of humans learning to work as a team. I am not saying, "I have no explanation for this, so I should probably just say God did it" because there doesn't have to be any justification.
@nonagon17 Yes and after all isnt that line of reasoning..."universal compass" that I understand you don't think exists...I think your line of reasoning could get us to Auschiwtz, Triblink and Dakau. Animals kill each other all the time but I only see genocide exclusive to fallen evil people....dogs don't do things by nature like that and what in nature explains it??? Without a distorted nature depraved.....plus why is it wrong if we are only elevated animals anyway??
@wimsweden The quote from the Son of God, Christ Jesus only referred to (if you bothered actually READING what it said) is in the context of don't be doing the same sin before you judge...take the mote of your own eye so you can see correctly....are you judging an adulterer and yet you commit adultery...it was the hypocricy of the pharisess he was pointing out..if you have a problem with judgement you will be in a very rude awakening when Christ judges this world. (in unrepentant)
"lots of swine on these blogs...such a shock.............lada lada."
You are right in saying that rabbi Yeshua said something about pearls and swine. However, you are using derision and mockery in your judgement, thus you are not judging with love and sincerity. You have not come to teach, you have come to gloat. Shame on you.
@wimsweden only the spiritually nieve, indifferent or lazy use that quote (ALL the time) out of context. Better read the bible a lot closer....but I doubt you really care anyway. (you should it includes you too...as well as me)
@wimsweden You should also know then that taken out of context, the Biblical phrase "do not judge others" means nothing except when included with the rest of the verse, which is "lest you be judged, because by the same measure you judge you shall be judged." Thus, you should only judge if you are ready to be judged by the same standard. In this case, a believer can judge someone else if he himself stands up to the test and is applying the Word of God in love to the other person.
"In this case, a believer can judge someone else if he himself stands up to the test and is applying the Word of God in love to the other person."
1927Norma wrote the following "lots of swine on these blogs...such a shock.............lada lada." Would you say this is spoken in "love to the other person" or just to make a mockery of another? You be the judge. ;-)
@wimsweden his aspostles to be armed...and even after Peter cut off the ear of the Roman tribune he only said to sheath (meaning return it to its holder) the sword.,.NOT get rid of it..this is the Judge who will returnwith "judgement"...yes He is judgemental...scary non polticially correct realtity...Christ is the ONe for all repentance but after or rejecting that He only finalizes that which people always want to live...seperate from God's presence eternally...HE taught that not me.
That rambling totally sidesteps the issue. You did not judge in the sense intended, you mocked by saying "lots of swine on these blogs...such a shock.............lada lada."
Rabbi Yeshua is dead and Yahweh is an incoherent concept. Get over it.
@wimsweden There was no side stepping anything...I answered as best I could and defended my points...if you don't like it...YOU get over it and grow up...you sound about 15 years old at best.
@Yankeegator Boy are you judging. lol. Her actions> she loved Tracy...one man all of her life. His wife lived in Los Angeles, and he lived in New York. He did not believe in divorce, so he just lived away, and she didn't care what he did. He didn't marry Kate, but his heart belonged to her. A beautiful love story. His wife didn't care. So he is supposed to live alone the rest of his live?
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This is very interesting, especially considering she began to be interested in and loosely associated with a particular Christian religion during the last decade of her life.
Katharine "catheter" Hepburn: This dyke loses all respectability & credibility once you've seen the film in which she applauds the bloody work of eugenicist Margaret Sanger, founder of the Rockefeller-bankrolled abortion clinic chain known as Planned Parenthood.
She didn't need an invisible daddy, but she did respect the example of Christ. Nothing wrong with that! I understand her views on knowing inherently inside what is wrong and what is right. Everyone inside knows what's wrong and right, unless there is a screw loose...and religion wouldn't help those crazies anyway, just make them blow stuff up.
I am an atheist and I agree with her totally about us having very strong morals.
Very religious people seem to suffer tunnel-vision in that THEIR religion is the only religion that is Right and True and if you believe another religion, then you are wrong.
This is not intelligent. The idea of morality in a universe of random molecules is absurd. She argues that we should be moral on account of it leading to happiness. WHat if murder led to someone's happiness? Should they pursue that? If they can get away with it, why not? There is no ultimate moral accountability in an atheist universe. And there is no reason to believe one behavior is universally "better" than another. Also, how did she treat Spencer Tracy's wife?
"The idea of morality in a universe of random molecules is absurd." I can recommend the debate between Prof. Shelly Kagan and Prof. WL Craig.
"What if murder led to someone's happiness?" I think she means happiness in the sense of the Greeks, i.e. eudaimonia. Killing someone may fulfil a momentary urge, but will not lead to human flourishing. I don't see any possible happy society as a social species with people just killing each other as the urge arises.
"There is no ultimate moral accountability in an atheist universe." No, there isn't. So?
"And there is no reason to believe one behavior is universally "better" than another." Just like only eating junkfood will lead to poor health in society, randomly killing, stealing, etc. will lead to the collapse of any socially-oriented species. As a person, I want to like and be liked by others. Me killing them will tend to decrease that likeability we so seek after.
@Sage80 Agreed..I think she was a wonderful actress but very limited in spiritual realities...after all if it makes one feel good to have sex with children then apparently it isn't wrong..some people get happiness out of physically abusing animals but according to Kate this wouldn't be wrong....this is what happens when we make up our own rules and reject eternal ones..we make ourselves our own god and the end is always disastrous...I don't think she followed her own idead to their outcome.
- "if it makes one feel good to have sex with children then apparently it isn't wrong"
She said you will be happy "if you can live for other people" and you will be unhappy "if you only live for yourself". Again, she isn't talking about happiness in the sense of immediate gratification of some desire, but the happiness, eudaimonia, created by cultivating a good life.
@wimsweden Her view was very candid that decisions of morality are based upon ones own definition of "happiness"...that is a very danger position to hold because everything I used as an example (not implying she would agree as I do not) but it does leave that open...she did not follow her own eronious beliefs to their irrational outcome. Typical of atheisism. She also later admitted in later interviews she viewed herself as a very selfish person...I agree..
@wimsweden She has no moral standards other than making it up as ones goes along in life...I am guessing that is where you come from...no objective "black and white" objective truth...your truth is different than mine...etc etc, philisophy..apparently those who espouse this can't really accept it once it turns against them....like the moral absolute that stealing is wrong...that is absolute..or a matter of opinion..until someone takes your stuff than all of sudden its wrong.
"...I am guessing that is where you come from...no objective "black and white" objective truth...your truth is different than mine...etc etc" No, I am not a relativist. Just like everyone can agree that health is important and that certain objective consequences flow from that, us agreeing on suffering having to be avoided will lead to certain objective consequences. I suggest you read up on John Rawls' veil of ignorance for a secular system of ethics.
@wimsweden Not interested in purchasing another new book on ethics, issues, morality. I believe morals are ingrained by our Creator and little things broken leads to bigger and bigger things..eventually if followed deprived of all aspects of basic humanity and standards sometimes worse than animals. Not sure what your entire point is I largely commented on her acting but disagree with her atheist and admitted socialist position.
@1927Norma "Bet Kate is not enjoying her "non skydaddy" now!" This is the problem with religious people like you, you love the idea of another human being suffering. What's her crime - simply not sharing your delusion about God. For this you rejoice in the idea she's burning in hell. Millions of people around the world can never say the words "I don't believe in God" as it is punishable by death in their nations as it was under Christian rule in Europe. Oppression is the true face of religion
@WillShakespeare2007 I put in quotes "non sky dadyy" since it was directed at me in a very derogatory way. I simply replied in kind and now its offensive. How hypocritcal. NO one loves the idea anyone spending eternity without God...but it is a choice once makes. Once we leave this world it only finalizes that which the person always wanted and chose anyway. You will end up where you want to be too but all the perks and else only comes from the purity and Holiness of the One you reject.
@1927Norma - Of course it's offensive to start telling others they are going to be tortured for all eternity. Don't tell me to "move on" as you're the one commenting on a video of an atheist that both they and I will be burning in hell with Satan and getting sick satisfaction about it.
I don't worship myself I have a wife and family and I don't threaten my children with being burned alive like you, you sick child abusing freak.
If threaten me then you're going to get put in your place sicko.
@WillShakespeare2007 YOu are truly the lunatic..I never mentioned in any blogg about "burning in hell" ever or getting any satisfaction from it and where was there any "threat"...you need therapy......truly. Get help.
@1927Norma - You made it very clear you thought Katherine Hepburn was burning in hell and that I was going there also so don't start telling me I'm the one who needs help. Your religion is based on threatening children from birth with hell fire which is a form of child abuse. But your religion is built on child abuse of one sort or another. You believe in a magical man in the sky and the devil then you say I need help, how delusional can a person be!
@1927Norma What a bunch of egotists. The Mormons have thier Book of Mormon.
Also Doctrine and Covenants of the church of LDS. We have 2 Mormons running for president right now. As a Mormon we believed that Jesus was the brother of satan. And "Joseph Smith will sit by the father...and judger the living and the dead" So what do you say to that? It is the fastest growing church in the world.
@HeatherGlen33 I am very aware that Mormans doctrine is: "As man is God once was..and as God is man may become." Orson Pratt..a major theologian in Mormon systemic teaching...but don't be fooled in thinking evangelicals will vote against any Mormon vs Barak Obama..they know what is truly at stake. They have limited choices and won't vote in an obvious destroyer of general Christian standards regardless of other issues.
@WillShakespeare2007 Believing God is nothing..Satan knows far better than us how real He is but since you insist on deragory deridings of those not in unison with your atheism...move on and celebrate yourself...worship you...guessing that is what you have been doing most of your life anyway.
@wimsweden So true. I am an athiest, and I have fed stray dogs and cats for so many years, and took care of my husband when he was dying. I don't swear because it sounds cheap. I have never smoked, and I don't drink except for occasional wine.
I know what the results can do. So you think I am going to "hell". That would be a god that I would not want to know! If we have a spirit...it wouldn't burn anyway. I know the bible, and Jesus spoke in metaphors, and parables.
@wimsweden You have that right. Albert Einstein said " Living for oneself alone, is no life at all." This Norma person is obviousley a nut case. If I give anything to someone who has less, and needs more..It makes me feel very happy. To give is I believe an inherent thing, that even you're pet dog has,..I love animals and feed all strays. And yes, I am an athiest. To Norma I must be the "swine" she preaches about.
@1927Norma If believing in Santa prevents you from morally justifying having sex with children, then PLEASE PLEASE continue in your dillusions and " spiritual realities"!
Many of us people " limited in spiritual realities" have high ethical standards that are based upon compassion,reason,kindness and non-violence towards other humans, even when Santa is non-existent.
More sophisticated than your "SkyDaddy Santa is watching me, so I better not do anything immoral."
@FacelessPhoenix Obviously from your post you hold the position that moralitiy is something you make up as you go along in life...after all the pedphine doesn't see a problem with their behavior...who are YOU to impose your personal VIEWS on them...you are a lost cause anyway. Bet Kate is not enjoying her "non skydaddy" now!
@1927Norma Its not my problem you lack the mental capacity to keep from creating imaginary false moral dilemma's when you look at the world thru your black and white cartoonified dualistic worldview.
I said in my last reply "Many of us people " limited in spiritual realities" have high ethical standards that are based upon compassion,reason,kindness and non-violence towards other humans.
Watch an infant and its mother interact. Its natural,social and biological. no theism required
@FacelessPhoenix REALLY!!!! Lets see..male lions take the offspring of a female lioness and shake them til they die so they can mate with her...its "natural, social and biological"...and if humans do that is it evil or not???? Evolution and atheism have no regard to this being wrong....(other than personal opinion..for now)...bet you don't have a problem with it either. DA
Social Darwinism has little to do with Natural Selection. Social Darwinism resulted in many eugenics programs that began in America and adopted by the Nazis. Darwin never expressed the idea that natural selection could extend from biological systems to social systems.
Evolution(Natural Selection) is a physical mechanism nothing more, like Blood Clotting systems/mechanisms. Imagine inventing a social and ethical system ( Social Darwinism) based upon blood clotting mechanism, it does not work.
@FacelessPhoenix You still failed the question...if we behaved like that lion I mentioned below is it evil/wrong??? not a hard question to answer...it either is or it is not! (typical can't answer a basic yes or no question...is this really that hard to answer)??? Of course if you answer yes we need to explain why you hold that idea besides human ideas which can change from day to day or generation to generation.
?? lol. From the lions point of view, Its "good" for the survival of the male lions genetic offspring, its "bad" for the survival of the step-child getting killed .
Consuming chicken nuggets is " good" for your hunger pains, it " bad" for your heart, its " good" for the economy and jobs, its very " bad" for the innocent chicken.
You are anthropomorphizing ( applying human attributes) to the morality of feline infanticide???
@FacelessPhoenix I REST my issue...cannot answer a question honestly....it was directed that animal behavor...according your ilk we arose from animals only and not created distinct and/or separate...so if we behave the same is it evil/wrong...cannot answer that....you are a LOST CAUSE....end of bloggs with idiots like yourself. BYE!!!
Well if we want to compare the morality of animals with the morality humans from a human point-of-view.
Lets use a Relative Suffering Index to compare which group is more ethical. Humans wage war, kill millions of animals for cheese burgers, tourcher other people and commit genocide against their own species. Animals do not behave this way with the same intensity. Maybe I would think animals act more ethical.
But you imply " animals" as assigning less Value to mankind I dont agree with that.
@Sage80 There is morality in an atheist universe. We hold ourselves accountable and follow our own moral compass. If I were a Christian doing something wrong, I would think, "I shouldn't do this because God is watching" rather than, "I'm not going to do this because it is wrong". I know which I prefer.
@nonagon17 And where did that "moral compass" come from???? Guess you just made it up yourself....a general universal one. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God imputed that..exclusive to His creation...with all its fallen nature that still holds...in the image of God...we ALL still have it and can't run from it...no other creature on this earth has that...why???
@1927Norma - Oh don't talk about God and morals. In the bible God demands human sacrifice, he goes into detail about slavery. So if you believe in the bible you are pro slavery is that correct? You see not being religious I don''t support enslaving other human beings. Don't give me the morals of God bull shit, it has been destroyed a million times.
@WillShakespeare2007 typical atheists nonsense who has about the general understanding of the bible as a car mechanic has with brain surgery....keep cutting; until you pierce yourself. Ouch!!!! (atheist DA you are)
@1927Norma - Keep telling your children they will burn in fire unless they follow your cult you sick bitch. I guess insults is all you have when your religion is built on Adam's rib and Noah's ark. You're religion is so full of shit you can't even begin to defend your beliefs so you just try saying everyone else is going to hell.
@WillShakespeare2007 Well you PROVED my point..atheists can't be civil and disagree without resorting to name calling. (vulgarities..I am sooo shocked) ..predictable and you lose..typical savage..go back to the apes you think you came from...you certainly prove that.
If you need Santa Clause and a promise of Heavenly rewards to keep you living a ethical lifestyle, then go ahead PLEASE continue.
I am atheist, my life ultimatly has no Divine Purpose other than " enjoy being human".
But helping others in need, and making other people I know feel loved, non violence and pacisfism allows me to ENJOY MY HUMANITY. Are you too ignorant to figure this out because you need Santa Clause to keep you in line?
I never understood religion and doubt I ever will. All it does is enslave people and not allow them to think for themselves and create their own morals.
I am perfectly capable of being a moral person with some stupid book telling me how to do it!
I'd say she got the surprise of her life when she died and discovered that it wasn't all over after all. Not an unpleasant surprise as described by the fear mongering religious assholes but a pleasant one.
But, she seems to have ived her life for herself. She lived with no partner and had no children. She never even accepted one of her four Oscars. She showed no camaraderie.
damn she is good. she just summed up my views perfectly! i love this woman. she's centered, self-actualized, and unashamed. and what an actress!! she's the queen.
What a bright, grounded, classy lady. Nobody will ever measure up to Katherine the Great. Except maybe Bette Davis. She and Bette Davis where in an class of their own.
What a bright, grounded, classy lady. Nobody will ever measure up to Katherine the Great. Except maybe Bette Davis. She and Bette Davis where in an class of their own.
"you don't know what she would've said about Ghandi."
Indeed, I don't. I was merely suggesting that she could have used other people as examples of selfless or loving lives, but that she, as most Americans, is most familiar with what is said of rabbi Yeshua in the Christian bible.
This interview is from 1973, when saying flat out you were an atheist would've had even more negative social consequences than it would today in the US. In 1991, when there was less of a stigma on being an atheist and she was getting to the end of her life, she had no trouble coming right out and say it.
Second, agnosticism (as intended by Huxley) goes to knowledge. Assuming you're a theist, you don't know whether a god exists, i.e. agnostic theist. Hepburn = agnostic atheist.
Did you not see the quote at the end where she calls herself an atheist in 1991? Also, in the same interview she says you just go into the ground when you die. When asked to specify whether one's still conscious, she says no.
When referencing rabbi Yeshua, she's using the image of a man (not some god) who, according to the texts about him, lived a selfless life. She would have said the same about Gandhi et al, but the image of Yeshua is just easier to grasp for a US audience.
@wimsweden Yet she respected Spencer Tracy s very Catholic beliefs. She is speaking about her beliefs but not saying every one should believe her way. I dont believe in her view but I respected her as an actresss.
What's interesting about this, is that she's actually talking about it at all. From everything I've read and heard about her, she wasn't prone to talking introspectively, especially about the afterlife. Spencer Tracy told Katharine Houghton that her aunt never liked to talk about the idea of what happened to you in the afterlife. Maybe it was something she thought more about after he died, possibly because he was so haunted by it.
talldarkfunny 2 days ago
She did practice what she believed. When Judy Garland was fired or suspended from MGM & she nicked her throat with a piece of glass & was bedridden, it was all over the newspapers. Only three people in Hollywood came to see her & Hepburn was one of them. She told Judy that she was one of the greatest Hollywood talents & that she was going to make it & to not let the studio get her down. No hypocrisy in this lady. She lived what she believed.
xander7ful 3 days ago
Kathy was one of the most famous commies in Hollywood.
elucidative 3 days ago
I absolutely agree/adore/admire and adhere to everything she says! Katharine was amazing!
Evangeline30575 1 week ago
I think you cherish things much much more when you don't believe in the supernatural: we only know if this one life, so we better do with it the best that we can, because nothing else has been promised.
bernlin2000 1 week ago
She was an atheist, but she believed and practiced what God is all about! It doesn't matter if people believe on a deity or not, as long as they live righteously is all that matters!
Dubshakra 1 week ago
Wonderful interview and I totally agree with KH. I recently attended my God-daughters first holy communion at our local Catholic church. The sight of dozens small girls dressed up like brides, presenting themselves as virgin offerings to Christ in church filled me with despair. A pagan ritual that belonged in a Hammer House of Horrors movie. Jesus means goodness and knowing what is right, looking out for your fellow man. Nothing more.
willewinky 2 weeks ago
Katie was always on to something; she's one of the main reasons I became an atheist, she started me thinking everything through. Wonderfully intelligent, talented woman.
jerico641 2 weeks ago
She was pure class.
Youssef51 2 weeks ago
I have faith but I do agree with her as far as we can't make others believe what we believe,as she said for her,a notion.even though I have had a spritual experience,I can not prove it to anyone,not even myself.She's absoluely breathtaking!
sweet161402 2 weeks ago
@sweet161402
"I have faith"
Faith in what? And how would you define "faith"?
wimsweden 2 weeks ago
@wimsweden For me,it's Jesus Christ but I can not Make someone else believe what I believe because of a personal experience I have had.All I can do is tell them the Good News and pray,then it's out of my hands! She still was a wonderful woman and I hope to God she made it back to Him when she left here,don't you?
sweet161402 2 weeks ago
@sweet161402
You have "faith" in a 2000-year-old dead rabbi? What does that mean? Do you have to devote a part of your brain to the belief that this rabbi actually performed miracles?
"All I can do is tell them the Good News" Why? Your god needs middlemen?
"and pray" Why? So your god changes his mind? So you make the person change their mind by a magic "intervention"?
"I hope to God she made it back to Him" aka "God loves you so much he'll send you to hell if you don't accept him."
wimsweden 2 weeks ago
@wimsweden This is an entertainment story about an actress.What's your trip? Not happy with yourself?
sweet161402 2 weeks ago
@sweet161402
Thank you for the amateur psycho-analysis. Is that your usual way of avoiding to answer a question?
wimsweden 2 weeks ago
@sweet161402 I answered your question.your question was:"faith in what?" and "define 'faith'." I did.I had a Spiritual experience when I was five years old.It's too long to go into here.If you want to know something about God,spirituality etc. why don't you talk to someone?Don't use me as your target for your frustation.I'll pray for you that you find some PEACE.
sweet161402 2 weeks ago
@sweet161402
My last question to you was about your personal experience, as you yourself admit in your reply. You were FIVE years old when you had an "experience"? Are you serious?
"Don't use me as your target for your frustation." There you go with the pseudo psycho-analysis again.
"I'll pray for you." And I'll think for you.
wimsweden 2 weeks ago
@sweet161402
"because of a personal experience I have had" Which is?
wimsweden 2 weeks ago
@wimsweden Listen,this is sad not to mention insulting to this channel and the lady Katherine Hepburn.If I told you MY experience,NOT YOURS,youv'e already made up your mind I would have imagined it because you my friend are an atheist and there's nothing I can say to you to make you understand what I ALONE EXPERIENCED! Believe what you want,don't believe what you want.I don't care.Atheist are always so uptight.Yeah,I labeled it! You got it! See ya,wouldn't wanna be ya!
sweet161402 2 weeks ago
@sweet161402
You were FIVE. That's not an experience, it's your imagination and a whole lot of time to develop false memories. 5-year-olds see monsters and have imaginary friends.
"youv'e already made up your mind I would have imagined it because you my friend are an atheist" Classic ad hominem. Not a mere insult, but an actual ad hominem argument.
"Atheist are always so uptight." Generalisation and what exactly do you mean. Uptight as in "angry" or uptight as in "rigidly conventional"?
wimsweden 2 weeks ago
What a wonderful woman!
austinthebookworm5 3 weeks ago
In other words, the lady was not superticious. What a smart lady! :)
ericdemilo 3 weeks ago
I LOV U HEPBURN!!!!!!!!! I WISH I CAN MEET U NEXT LIFETIME.........OVE U ALWAYS X
sanysele 4 weeks ago
She's brilliant.
robjacksontop 1 month ago
It is amazing how "un-religious" and mean some so-called god-followers will get when they are threatened with facts. This just shows how much of a fable religion is. The Catholic Church trying to prevent contraception is another...
restructuremix5 1 month ago
Katherine lived in the real world - not some make-believe idea (religion). What makes most people believe that their existence for eternity is important? Such arrogance.
restructuremix5 1 month ago 2
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classless nasty pig of a woman. not the kind of person i would want to be around. she is insane. i know so many good people of average standing that outclass this pig by so far. money does not equal class. she was raised in a nasty self centered unrealistic family who had no spirituality and misguided their children. she contradicts herself too when speaking of religion and god. btw i know some people may hate the comment. don't write to me..i don't care.
sweetkittytwine 1 month ago
@sweetkittytwine She's entitled to her own Opinion. She was a great actress.the only thing that is classless and nasty is your terribly misinformed "Opinion"" Katharine Hepburn is a Legend and always will be so DEAL WITH IT!!
ceeceesrevenge33 1 month ago
@sweetkittytwine:
Your swinish comment about Katherine Hepburn was marked as spam of a "religious" lying cunt here.....
Say - do you have problems with narcotics like heroin or cocaine or crack ?
We cannot help you here......"sorry"......
And "God" cannot help you either.....he will even not forgive you your stupid sins, you stupid devil.
MrSKINFLICK 3 weeks ago
I....I love this lady!!! Wonderfull!!
baahhhFATALITY11 1 month ago
I am strongly religious when it comes to watching old movies and admiring the greatest actors and actresses of all time. Wish I could go back..
Piccolo7126 1 month ago
Somebody can please tell what year was this interview?
anonimoa1515 1 month ago 2
@anonimoa1515
1973
wimsweden 1 month ago
@anonimoa1515:
"Katharine Hepburn on the Dick Cavett Show. (1973)"
Written above in the liner notes of the uploader UNDER the video. Can you read ?
MrSKINFLICK 3 weeks ago
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I don't agree with her. I know of two people in my life who did very bad things that resulted in their monetary profit and they were thrilled about it and if Ms Hepburn wasn't arrogant, self-righteous and prone in her own way to follow the norms of Hollywood Babylon she wouldn't have gotten where she was then. I'm sure of one ally in this OPINION. . . Spencer Tracy's late wife. THINK!!!!!!!! Nuff said.
comcreature 1 month ago
A beautiful, talented, witty, humorous fellow rationalist.
drwptl786 1 month ago 4
i think she ought to have read on religion, history and philosophy. but she is entitled to her opinions.
sidrahsiddiqui 1 month ago
@sidrahsiddiqui She had a college degree in history and philosophy.
TheMrmi22 1 month ago
@TheMrmi22 i also have a degree in the same. but so does many people. degrees don't form opinions, at least not in her case.
sidrahsiddiqui 1 month ago
@sidrahsiddiqui well good for you. On both degree and opinion. l just admire the woman so l honestly don't dare speculating what formed her or anyone elses opinions on these matters. You mantioned what she ought've read so l tought her degree should be mantioned. That's about it.
TheMrmi22 1 month ago
@TheMrmi22 I am not speculating, because technically, it is more intense. I am just assuming that she has not read much apparently. For a public figure only, anyone can assume about her. when people fancy film stars, they damn well have a right to hold an assumption about them. this is how tricky public life is, despite she trying her best to leave the public aspect out of it.
sidrahsiddiqui 1 month ago
@sidrahsiddiqui l didn't say you were, l just said l don't won't to ,not on subject of her belifs, nor on how much she has or hasn't read. Again, that's about it. l didn't mean to open a discussion about any of those things l just pointed out one small detail, which is her college education. l'm not assuming a lot by it, exept that it exested. That's all. You have the right to see it any way you see fit. My mentioning of her degree doesn't take anything away from it.
TheMrmi22 1 month ago
@sidrahsiddiqui I should think she has read on religion and philosophy, that's exactly why she has that opinion
simmy3000 1 month ago
@simmy3000 no, if this could be the case, then someone who has not read will also say so. or for that matter someone who has read could go on just the opposite side of what she is saying here. i think that had she read more, her views would have not been that simple as to say that we just lie in rest happy after we die. i m not holding her for every word, but this is too simplistic to be real.
sidrahsiddiqui 1 month ago
@sidrahsiddiqui what the blazes are you on about? she doesn't know, she asserted her ignorance, how could anyone possibly know what happens after death? this is the wisest view point, to assert knowledge of anything else would be plain stupidity.
simmy3000 1 month ago
@simmy3000 I am not saying that she had knowledge what happens in the afterlife, nor does anyone living. it is impossible to know, though some disciplines would claim otherwise. all I am saying is that to have nothing in the afterlife except lying plainly happy in rest is too simplistic. She is entitle to her view.
sidrahsiddiqui 1 month ago
@sidrahsiddiqui 'too simplistic' based on what? why does it need to be complicated? you just said you don't know what happens so your view point is flawed. It is very likely that once you die then there is nothing, much like before you were born, there was nothing, this was her viewpoint and the most realistic view we have, we couldn't possibly know otherwise. All religions that claim to have the answers are telling lies, based on no evidence whatsoever. It's absurd
simmy3000 1 month ago
@simmy3000 is it not simplistic to say nothing happens? when nothing happens, things are not complicated. they are nothing at all. Since we are born with an ability to reason and have emotions, life is complicated. when life ends, it has to be complicated too. because as of now, human mind can conceive only an on and an off, a beginning and an ending, in opposites. so it all just did not start randomly, nor would end randomly. I am not asking you to believe this or to think this way.
sidrahsiddiqui 1 month ago
@sidrahsiddiqui sorry but your skewed logic doesn't make any sense at all, so don't worry there would be no danger of you making me think these way. Your conclusions don't have any solid philosophical grounding, you're just going on a hunch, why is our existence not 'random'? you don't know why.
simmy3000 1 month ago
@simmy3000 I am not saying either that my words are influential. I was just clearing it out from what you said prior to this. If you study philosophy of logic you would know why. Its simply logical.
sidrahsiddiqui 1 month ago
@sidrahsiddiqui you're not saying anything
simmy3000 1 month ago
@simmy3000 I am saying that she ought to have read philosophy and about religion and history of different nations, then should would had definitely came to conclude that even after life, things are complicated.
sidrahsiddiqui 1 month ago
@sidrahsiddiqui are you on crack?
simmy3000 1 month ago
@simmy3000 i think in your world, there is no space for disagreements, because those who disagree are apparently "on crack" according to you.
sidrahsiddiqui 1 month ago
@sidrahsiddiqui if you'd made a decent argument I would have excepted it, your 'opinion' in this case however, doesn't make a blind bit of difference to anything
simmy3000 1 month ago
@simmy3000 again, I was not making a case, hence, i was not substantiating my viewpoint. I was merely replyin to your constant comments.
sidrahsiddiqui 1 month ago
@simmy3000 I would suggest you read on Intelligent Design theory and also watch the documentary "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed". It will substantiate my view about using the philosophy of logic, or logic to understand life and after life.
sidrahsiddiqui 1 month ago
@sidrahsiddiqui I would suggest you stop reading pseudo intellectual texts and read something that has more weight to it
simmy3000 1 month ago
@simmy3000 to this very reply of yours, I would say your approach is anything but philosophical.
sidrahsiddiqui 1 month ago
@sidrahsiddiqui I'm going to give this stab in the dark. I have a sneaking suspicion you're a supporter of creation science, pardon me if I'm wrong
simmy3000 1 month ago
@simmy3000 i'm theist.
sidrahsiddiqui 1 month ago
Got to admire her. She speaks intelligently and passionatly on her views. One doesnt need religion to be a moral person. I've met many Atheists who were far more moral than most Christians I've met.
phoenix1985 2 months ago 31
I admire Ms. Hepburn as an actress but her relativistic view of morality is dangerous. After all, if there is no absolute truth - and no God who gives it - then loving your neighbor and eating him are equally noble depending on your point of view. Good and evil are in the eye of the beholder. More than that, they become indistinguishable. And it should be noted that Christ served others in order to bring glory to God the Father, so that others would know him.
JWGames 2 months ago
@JWGames How is her view on morality dangerous? She says that you should live to help others and that anyone who gets joy from hurting anyone else is diseased. How is that dangerous? Which God should get to define morality? The Jewish God? The Islamic God? The Methodist God? The Catholic God? The Wiccan God? Who gets to decide which God is the one who gets to decide morality. Every person defines their own morality, either through religion or without it. One doesnt need religion to be moral.
phoenix1985 2 months ago
You can't have one with out the other, We will all face heaven or hell and judgement. I hope she fiqure this out before she said bye.... Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Not just someone who did good things yet the reason we live........
godskidable 2 months ago
@godskidable agreed ! Jesus is the only way & without a relationship with him you can't go to heaven. There is a heaven & hell & the choice is up to each one.
Heavensunshine100 2 months ago
@godskidable Maybe the reason YOU live...but millions if not billions of people don't care about the Jesus character. So he's the SON of God? Because I hear Christians all the time refer to Jesus AS God. Then again, he seems to fill both roles....son when you need him to be, God when you need him to be. Very convenient.
2003SCT 2 months ago
@godskidable No deathbed conversions for Ms. Hepburn...she remained intelligent enough to see right through your nonsensical fairy tales right to the very end.
Hollywoodsteve 3 weeks ago
"not have to rake any more leaves"
pasttensedraw 2 months ago
Classy, intelligent, sure of herself and her ideas. I armire her very much
caribeandude1 2 months ago 2
Though I am religious and I believe in God I have to say that Katharine was a very strong will independent woman who spoke her beliefs!I admire that about her
rosabaca21 2 months ago 12
@rosabaca21 If you believe in God, then you would also believe this " very strong will independent woman" is in hell.
crapfacejoe 1 month ago
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rosabaca21 1 month ago
@rosabaca21 So is your mother.
crapfacejoe 1 month ago
@crapfacejoe thanks : D
rosabaca21 1 month ago
@rosabaca21 I'm glad. Katharine Hepburn has stinky leather feet.
crapfacejoe 1 month ago
@crapfacejoe cool: )
rosabaca21 1 month ago
I find it ironic that a woman who carried on a love affair with a married man for decades could feel comfortable talking about the difference between right and wrong. I wonder how she justifies her relationship with Spencer Tracy in her own mind.
karlakor 2 months ago
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karlakor 2 months ago
I have no problem with defending that statement..Christ himself said do not take your pearls and cast it to swine. So your issues are not really me but Christ Himself...take it up with Him...Christ was never some liberal pacifist...He was very clear when you are dealing with those who have NO interest in God's truth don't waste your time...Perhaps the Jesus some people believe in is only the one in their own mind but not the One who lived and breathed and spoke on this earth and allowed
1927Norma 2 months ago
I read Hepburns book, and I know she is an athiest. The bible is a book of threats and of a measure of hope. If I can't see, hear, touch or smell something...it just isn't there. I was born into a Catholic family, left and became a Mormon. I went to bible classes in a Babtist church, for several years. I know that when you die..and turn to dust..there is nobody and nothing, that is going to make you rise..and become yourself..including youth and health. It is impossible, and can never be proved
HeatherGlen33 2 months ago
She was one of the world great actresses. But when I hear anyone say that when you live and work for the good of other people (paraphrase) then my question is, what are the "other" people supposed live for.
Joe
MrJoeybabe25 2 months ago
She really hates raking leaves.
SanFranWay 2 months ago
@SanFranWay HAHA!!
theblueangel28 2 months ago
@1927Norma I'm not saying it's a universal compass, I'm not saying giraffes know the difference between right and wrong. I would think morality comes from the evolution of humans learning to work as a team. I am not saying, "I have no explanation for this, so I should probably just say God did it" because there doesn't have to be any justification.
nonagon17 3 months ago
@nonagon17 Yes and after all isnt that line of reasoning..."universal compass" that I understand you don't think exists...I think your line of reasoning could get us to Auschiwtz, Triblink and Dakau. Animals kill each other all the time but I only see genocide exclusive to fallen evil people....dogs don't do things by nature like that and what in nature explains it??? Without a distorted nature depraved.....plus why is it wrong if we are only elevated animals anyway??
1927Norma 2 months ago
As Jesus warned do not take your pearls and cast it to swine.....lots of swine on these blogs...such a shock.............lada lada.
1927Norma 3 months ago
@1927Norma
It's ironic that by quoting rabbi Yeshua you also go against his instruction not to judge others. lol
wimsweden 3 months ago
@wimsweden The quote from the Son of God, Christ Jesus only referred to (if you bothered actually READING what it said) is in the context of don't be doing the same sin before you judge...take the mote of your own eye so you can see correctly....are you judging an adulterer and yet you commit adultery...it was the hypocricy of the pharisess he was pointing out..if you have a problem with judgement you will be in a very rude awakening when Christ judges this world. (in unrepentant)
1927Norma 2 months ago
@1927Norma
"lots of swine on these blogs...such a shock.............lada lada."
You are right in saying that rabbi Yeshua said something about pearls and swine. However, you are using derision and mockery in your judgement, thus you are not judging with love and sincerity. You have not come to teach, you have come to gloat. Shame on you.
wimsweden 2 months ago
@wimsweden only the spiritually nieve, indifferent or lazy use that quote (ALL the time) out of context. Better read the bible a lot closer....but I doubt you really care anyway. (you should it includes you too...as well as me)
1927Norma 2 months ago
@wimsweden You should also know then that taken out of context, the Biblical phrase "do not judge others" means nothing except when included with the rest of the verse, which is "lest you be judged, because by the same measure you judge you shall be judged." Thus, you should only judge if you are ready to be judged by the same standard. In this case, a believer can judge someone else if he himself stands up to the test and is applying the Word of God in love to the other person.
Cornflower28 2 months ago
@Cornflower28
"In this case, a believer can judge someone else if he himself stands up to the test and is applying the Word of God in love to the other person."
1927Norma wrote the following "lots of swine on these blogs...such a shock.............lada lada." Would you say this is spoken in "love to the other person" or just to make a mockery of another? You be the judge. ;-)
wimsweden 2 months ago
@wimsweden his aspostles to be armed...and even after Peter cut off the ear of the Roman tribune he only said to sheath (meaning return it to its holder) the sword.,.NOT get rid of it..this is the Judge who will returnwith "judgement"...yes He is judgemental...scary non polticially correct realtity...Christ is the ONe for all repentance but after or rejecting that He only finalizes that which people always want to live...seperate from God's presence eternally...HE taught that not me.
1927Norma 2 months ago
@1927Norma
That rambling totally sidesteps the issue. You did not judge in the sense intended, you mocked by saying "lots of swine on these blogs...such a shock.............lada lada."
Rabbi Yeshua is dead and Yahweh is an incoherent concept. Get over it.
wimsweden 2 months ago
@wimsweden There was no side stepping anything...I answered as best I could and defended my points...if you don't like it...YOU get over it and grow up...you sound about 15 years old at best.
1927Norma 2 months ago
@1927Norma
"you sound about 15 years old at best." You keep judging with mockery, strengthening my point.
wimsweden 2 months ago
May God have mercy on her for her actions with Spencer Tracey... What a bunch of relativistic hogwash Ms. Hepburn...
Yankeegator 3 months ago
@Yankeegator Really...I agree...her morals are all relative to her...selfish and self serving...don't worry about Mrs. Tracy..only what Kate wants.
1927Norma 3 months ago
@Yankeegator you spelled his last name wrong.
AudiGal09 3 months ago
@Yankeegator Boy are you judging. lol. Her actions> she loved Tracy...one man all of her life. His wife lived in Los Angeles, and he lived in New York. He did not believe in divorce, so he just lived away, and she didn't care what he did. He didn't marry Kate, but his heart belonged to her. A beautiful love story. His wife didn't care. So he is supposed to live alone the rest of his live?
HeatherGlen33 2 months ago
a stars mass- its chemical composition . Once these two features of a star are determined,calculate the temperature of the star's core and pressures of its gases as well as the strength of the gravitational force acting within the star.star's mass and composition can, therefore, determine star's size/ luminosity.Because binary stars' orbits depend on their gravitational attraction to each other,this equation is used
(M1 + M2)P2 = (D1 + D2)3 = R3
let me know your problems with this equation
FacelessPhoenix 3 months ago
This is very interesting, especially considering she began to be interested in and loosely associated with a particular Christian religion during the last decade of her life.
TheTubePortal 3 months ago
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Katharine "catheter" Hepburn: This dyke loses all respectability & credibility once you've seen the film in which she applauds the bloody work of eugenicist Margaret Sanger, founder of the Rockefeller-bankrolled abortion clinic chain known as Planned Parenthood.
AgonyInCrisis 3 months ago
She didn't need an invisible daddy, but she did respect the example of Christ. Nothing wrong with that! I understand her views on knowing inherently inside what is wrong and what is right. Everyone inside knows what's wrong and right, unless there is a screw loose...and religion wouldn't help those crazies anyway, just make them blow stuff up.
MsSugartoast 3 months ago
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ama713 3 months ago
My admiration for her grows with every video.
ccipollini1984 4 months ago 14
I am an atheist and I agree with her totally about us having very strong morals.
Very religious people seem to suffer tunnel-vision in that THEIR religion is the only religion that is Right and True and if you believe another religion, then you are wrong.
That isn't exactly moral.
balletnut 4 months ago
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histrav 4 months ago
What about the Flying Spaghetti Monster? I believe that he is quite real.
NYCBG 4 months ago
"Also, how did she treat Spencer Tracy's wife?" I don't know. But did you hear her say anywhere that she claimed to be perfect?
wimsweden 4 months ago 4
This is not intelligent. The idea of morality in a universe of random molecules is absurd. She argues that we should be moral on account of it leading to happiness. WHat if murder led to someone's happiness? Should they pursue that? If they can get away with it, why not? There is no ultimate moral accountability in an atheist universe. And there is no reason to believe one behavior is universally "better" than another. Also, how did she treat Spencer Tracy's wife?
Sage80 4 months ago
@Sage80
"The idea of morality in a universe of random molecules is absurd." I can recommend the debate between Prof. Shelly Kagan and Prof. WL Craig.
"What if murder led to someone's happiness?" I think she means happiness in the sense of the Greeks, i.e. eudaimonia. Killing someone may fulfil a momentary urge, but will not lead to human flourishing. I don't see any possible happy society as a social species with people just killing each other as the urge arises.
wimsweden 4 months ago 7
@Sage80
"There is no ultimate moral accountability in an atheist universe." No, there isn't. So?
"And there is no reason to believe one behavior is universally "better" than another." Just like only eating junkfood will lead to poor health in society, randomly killing, stealing, etc. will lead to the collapse of any socially-oriented species. As a person, I want to like and be liked by others. Me killing them will tend to decrease that likeability we so seek after.
wimsweden 4 months ago 3
@Sage80 Agreed..I think she was a wonderful actress but very limited in spiritual realities...after all if it makes one feel good to have sex with children then apparently it isn't wrong..some people get happiness out of physically abusing animals but according to Kate this wouldn't be wrong....this is what happens when we make up our own rules and reject eternal ones..we make ourselves our own god and the end is always disastrous...I don't think she followed her own idead to their outcome.
1927Norma 3 months ago
@1927Norma
- "spiritual realities"
Now there's a nice oxymoron. :-P
- "if it makes one feel good to have sex with children then apparently it isn't wrong"
She said you will be happy "if you can live for other people" and you will be unhappy "if you only live for yourself". Again, she isn't talking about happiness in the sense of immediate gratification of some desire, but the happiness, eudaimonia, created by cultivating a good life.
wimsweden 3 months ago 2
@wimsweden Her view was very candid that decisions of morality are based upon ones own definition of "happiness"...that is a very danger position to hold because everything I used as an example (not implying she would agree as I do not) but it does leave that open...she did not follow her own eronious beliefs to their irrational outcome. Typical of atheisism. She also later admitted in later interviews she viewed herself as a very selfish person...I agree..
1927Norma 3 months ago
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1927Norma 3 months ago
@wimsweden She has no moral standards other than making it up as ones goes along in life...I am guessing that is where you come from...no objective "black and white" objective truth...your truth is different than mine...etc etc, philisophy..apparently those who espouse this can't really accept it once it turns against them....like the moral absolute that stealing is wrong...that is absolute..or a matter of opinion..until someone takes your stuff than all of sudden its wrong.
1927Norma 3 months ago
@1927Norma
"...I am guessing that is where you come from...no objective "black and white" objective truth...your truth is different than mine...etc etc" No, I am not a relativist. Just like everyone can agree that health is important and that certain objective consequences flow from that, us agreeing on suffering having to be avoided will lead to certain objective consequences. I suggest you read up on John Rawls' veil of ignorance for a secular system of ethics.
wimsweden 3 months ago
@wimsweden Not interested in purchasing another new book on ethics, issues, morality. I believe morals are ingrained by our Creator and little things broken leads to bigger and bigger things..eventually if followed deprived of all aspects of basic humanity and standards sometimes worse than animals. Not sure what your entire point is I largely commented on her acting but disagree with her atheist and admitted socialist position.
1927Norma 3 months ago
@1927Norma "Bet Kate is not enjoying her "non skydaddy" now!" This is the problem with religious people like you, you love the idea of another human being suffering. What's her crime - simply not sharing your delusion about God. For this you rejoice in the idea she's burning in hell. Millions of people around the world can never say the words "I don't believe in God" as it is punishable by death in their nations as it was under Christian rule in Europe. Oppression is the true face of religion
WillShakespeare2007 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 I put in quotes "non sky dadyy" since it was directed at me in a very derogatory way. I simply replied in kind and now its offensive. How hypocritcal. NO one loves the idea anyone spending eternity without God...but it is a choice once makes. Once we leave this world it only finalizes that which the person always wanted and chose anyway. You will end up where you want to be too but all the perks and else only comes from the purity and Holiness of the One you reject.
1927Norma 3 months ago
@1927Norma - Of course it's offensive to start telling others they are going to be tortured for all eternity. Don't tell me to "move on" as you're the one commenting on a video of an atheist that both they and I will be burning in hell with Satan and getting sick satisfaction about it.
I don't worship myself I have a wife and family and I don't threaten my children with being burned alive like you, you sick child abusing freak.
If threaten me then you're going to get put in your place sicko.
WillShakespeare2007 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 YOu are truly the lunatic..I never mentioned in any blogg about "burning in hell" ever or getting any satisfaction from it and where was there any "threat"...you need therapy......truly. Get help.
1927Norma 3 months ago
@1927Norma - You made it very clear you thought Katherine Hepburn was burning in hell and that I was going there also so don't start telling me I'm the one who needs help. Your religion is based on threatening children from birth with hell fire which is a form of child abuse. But your religion is built on child abuse of one sort or another. You believe in a magical man in the sky and the devil then you say I need help, how delusional can a person be!
WillShakespeare2007 3 months ago
@1927Norma What a bunch of egotists. The Mormons have thier Book of Mormon.
Also Doctrine and Covenants of the church of LDS. We have 2 Mormons running for president right now. As a Mormon we believed that Jesus was the brother of satan. And "Joseph Smith will sit by the father...and judger the living and the dead" So what do you say to that? It is the fastest growing church in the world.
HeatherGlen33 2 months ago
@HeatherGlen33 I am very aware that Mormans doctrine is: "As man is God once was..and as God is man may become." Orson Pratt..a major theologian in Mormon systemic teaching...but don't be fooled in thinking evangelicals will vote against any Mormon vs Barak Obama..they know what is truly at stake. They have limited choices and won't vote in an obvious destroyer of general Christian standards regardless of other issues.
1927Norma 2 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 Believing God is nothing..Satan knows far better than us how real He is but since you insist on deragory deridings of those not in unison with your atheism...move on and celebrate yourself...worship you...guessing that is what you have been doing most of your life anyway.
1927Norma 3 months ago
@wimsweden So true. I am an athiest, and I have fed stray dogs and cats for so many years, and took care of my husband when he was dying. I don't swear because it sounds cheap. I have never smoked, and I don't drink except for occasional wine.
I know what the results can do. So you think I am going to "hell". That would be a god that I would not want to know! If we have a spirit...it wouldn't burn anyway. I know the bible, and Jesus spoke in metaphors, and parables.
HeatherGlen33 2 months ago 3
@wimsweden You have that right. Albert Einstein said " Living for oneself alone, is no life at all." This Norma person is obviousley a nut case. If I give anything to someone who has less, and needs more..It makes me feel very happy. To give is I believe an inherent thing, that even you're pet dog has,..I love animals and feed all strays. And yes, I am an athiest. To Norma I must be the "swine" she preaches about.
HeatherGlen33 2 months ago
@1927Norma If believing in Santa prevents you from morally justifying having sex with children, then PLEASE PLEASE continue in your dillusions and " spiritual realities"!
Many of us people " limited in spiritual realities" have high ethical standards that are based upon compassion,reason,kindness and non-violence towards other humans, even when Santa is non-existent.
More sophisticated than your "SkyDaddy Santa is watching me, so I better not do anything immoral."
FacelessPhoenix 3 months ago
@FacelessPhoenix Obviously from your post you hold the position that moralitiy is something you make up as you go along in life...after all the pedphine doesn't see a problem with their behavior...who are YOU to impose your personal VIEWS on them...you are a lost cause anyway. Bet Kate is not enjoying her "non skydaddy" now!
1927Norma 3 months ago
@1927Norma Its not my problem you lack the mental capacity to keep from creating imaginary false moral dilemma's when you look at the world thru your black and white cartoonified dualistic worldview.
I said in my last reply "Many of us people " limited in spiritual realities" have high ethical standards that are based upon compassion,reason,kindness and non-violence towards other humans.
Watch an infant and its mother interact. Its natural,social and biological. no theism required
FacelessPhoenix 3 months ago
@FacelessPhoenix REALLY!!!! Lets see..male lions take the offspring of a female lioness and shake them til they die so they can mate with her...its "natural, social and biological"...and if humans do that is it evil or not???? Evolution and atheism have no regard to this being wrong....(other than personal opinion..for now)...bet you don't have a problem with it either. DA
1927Norma 3 months ago
Social Darwinism has little to do with Natural Selection. Social Darwinism resulted in many eugenics programs that began in America and adopted by the Nazis. Darwin never expressed the idea that natural selection could extend from biological systems to social systems.
Evolution(Natural Selection) is a physical mechanism nothing more, like Blood Clotting systems/mechanisms. Imagine inventing a social and ethical system ( Social Darwinism) based upon blood clotting mechanism, it does not work.
FacelessPhoenix 3 months ago
@FacelessPhoenix You still failed the question...if we behaved like that lion I mentioned below is it evil/wrong??? not a hard question to answer...it either is or it is not! (typical can't answer a basic yes or no question...is this really that hard to answer)??? Of course if you answer yes we need to explain why you hold that idea besides human ideas which can change from day to day or generation to generation.
1927Norma 3 months ago
?? lol. From the lions point of view, Its "good" for the survival of the male lions genetic offspring, its "bad" for the survival of the step-child getting killed .
Consuming chicken nuggets is " good" for your hunger pains, it " bad" for your heart, its " good" for the economy and jobs, its very " bad" for the innocent chicken.
You are anthropomorphizing ( applying human attributes) to the morality of feline infanticide???
FacelessPhoenix 3 months ago
@FacelessPhoenix I REST my issue...cannot answer a question honestly....it was directed that animal behavor...according your ilk we arose from animals only and not created distinct and/or separate...so if we behave the same is it evil/wrong...cannot answer that....you are a LOST CAUSE....end of bloggs with idiots like yourself. BYE!!!
1927Norma 3 months ago
Well if we want to compare the morality of animals with the morality humans from a human point-of-view.
Lets use a Relative Suffering Index to compare which group is more ethical. Humans wage war, kill millions of animals for cheese burgers, tourcher other people and commit genocide against their own species. Animals do not behave this way with the same intensity. Maybe I would think animals act more ethical.
But you imply " animals" as assigning less Value to mankind I dont agree with that.
FacelessPhoenix 3 months ago
@Sage80 There is morality in an atheist universe. We hold ourselves accountable and follow our own moral compass. If I were a Christian doing something wrong, I would think, "I shouldn't do this because God is watching" rather than, "I'm not going to do this because it is wrong". I know which I prefer.
nonagon17 3 months ago
@nonagon17 And where did that "moral compass" come from???? Guess you just made it up yourself....a general universal one. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God imputed that..exclusive to His creation...with all its fallen nature that still holds...in the image of God...we ALL still have it and can't run from it...no other creature on this earth has that...why???
1927Norma 3 months ago
@1927Norma - Oh don't talk about God and morals. In the bible God demands human sacrifice, he goes into detail about slavery. So if you believe in the bible you are pro slavery is that correct? You see not being religious I don''t support enslaving other human beings. Don't give me the morals of God bull shit, it has been destroyed a million times.
WillShakespeare2007 3 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 typical atheists nonsense who has about the general understanding of the bible as a car mechanic has with brain surgery....keep cutting; until you pierce yourself. Ouch!!!! (atheist DA you are)
1927Norma 3 months ago
@1927Norma - Keep telling your children they will burn in fire unless they follow your cult you sick bitch. I guess insults is all you have when your religion is built on Adam's rib and Noah's ark. You're religion is so full of shit you can't even begin to defend your beliefs so you just try saying everyone else is going to hell.
WillShakespeare2007 2 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 Well you PROVED my point..atheists can't be civil and disagree without resorting to name calling. (vulgarities..I am sooo shocked) ..predictable and you lose..typical savage..go back to the apes you think you came from...you certainly prove that.
1927Norma 2 months ago
@1927Norma
"atheists can't be civil and disagree without resorting to name calling."
Please don't generalise and stop judging others.
wimsweden 2 months ago
@Sage80
If you need Santa Clause and a promise of Heavenly rewards to keep you living a ethical lifestyle, then go ahead PLEASE continue.
I am atheist, my life ultimatly has no Divine Purpose other than " enjoy being human".
But helping others in need, and making other people I know feel loved, non violence and pacisfism allows me to ENJOY MY HUMANITY. Are you too ignorant to figure this out because you need Santa Clause to keep you in line?
FacelessPhoenix 3 months ago
She is typical Unitarian Universalist :)
harun7894561230 4 months ago 2
I never understood religion and doubt I ever will. All it does is enslave people and not allow them to think for themselves and create their own morals.
I am perfectly capable of being a moral person with some stupid book telling me how to do it!
HepburnFlicks 4 months ago
I'd say she got the surprise of her life when she died and discovered that it wasn't all over after all. Not an unpleasant surprise as described by the fear mongering religious assholes but a pleasant one.
TelecasterLPGTop 4 months ago
But, she seems to have ived her life for herself. She lived with no partner and had no children. She never even accepted one of her four Oscars. She showed no camaraderie.
leighgate1 4 months ago
damn she is good. she just summed up my views perfectly! i love this woman. she's centered, self-actualized, and unashamed. and what an actress!! she's the queen.
embell94 4 months ago
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What a bright, grounded, classy lady. Nobody will ever measure up to Katherine the Great. Except maybe Bette Davis. She and Bette Davis where in an class of their own.
caribeandude1 5 months ago
What a bright, grounded, classy lady. Nobody will ever measure up to Katherine the Great. Except maybe Bette Davis. She and Bette Davis where in an class of their own.
caribeandude1 5 months ago
spot on. and let's not forget that Christ was a man. a Jewish man.
MajorRugburn 5 months ago
@Aurora0Lights
"you don't know what she would've said about Ghandi."
Indeed, I don't. I was merely suggesting that she could have used other people as examples of selfless or loving lives, but that she, as most Americans, is most familiar with what is said of rabbi Yeshua in the Christian bible.
wimsweden 5 months ago
@Aurora0Lights
This interview is from 1973, when saying flat out you were an atheist would've had even more negative social consequences than it would today in the US. In 1991, when there was less of a stigma on being an atheist and she was getting to the end of her life, she had no trouble coming right out and say it.
Second, agnosticism (as intended by Huxley) goes to knowledge. Assuming you're a theist, you don't know whether a god exists, i.e. agnostic theist. Hepburn = agnostic atheist.
wimsweden 5 months ago
@Aurora0Lights
Did you not see the quote at the end where she calls herself an atheist in 1991? Also, in the same interview she says you just go into the ground when you die. When asked to specify whether one's still conscious, she says no.
When referencing rabbi Yeshua, she's using the image of a man (not some god) who, according to the texts about him, lived a selfless life. She would have said the same about Gandhi et al, but the image of Yeshua is just easier to grasp for a US audience.
wimsweden 5 months ago
@wimsweden Yet she respected Spencer Tracy s very Catholic beliefs. She is speaking about her beliefs but not saying every one should believe her way. I dont believe in her view but I respected her as an actresss.
rockinrobintweets 4 months ago
Truly profound.
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XtraordinaryAtheist 5 months ago
but i like raking leaves
Narajah 5 months ago