There is a slight energy gain because of the cycloidal movement, but is is less the the friction inherent in the system plus the wind resistance of the pendulum. Plus there is always energy lost converting momentum from one form to another, in this case rotary to linear.
@addicted2wingboats I would bet money you THINK you are correct in eveything you said. HOWEVER ;;;; It is 3 1/2 years later and several thousand dollars later. It is now hooked up to a generator and produces 75 watts and can be operqated with one hand while drinking coffee with the other and after three hours of operation NO WHERE NEAR TIRED. board OUT OF MY MIEND "BUT" not tired. We are improving it to put out 150 watts. With same energy input.
You could achieve the same result by hanging the weight from a long spring, and gently pushing down on it in rhythm. It would eventually reach the same height. If you measured the small force of each push and totaled them, the total would equal the force needed to actually lift the weight the distance achieved.
This doesn't work the way it is explained. Firstly it isn't lifting 74lb, because the pendulum weighs 46lb it is only lifting about 28lb. But really it isn't lifting anything. The weight "lifts" about an inch (taking energy from the pendulum), then it "falls" the same distance, giving energy back to the pendulum. If the weight had a ratchet, so that when it lifts it's unable to fall back down, the pendulum would quickly lose energy and you would have to push harder.
Imagine an internal combustion engine crank and open head cylinders. Say in a straight 6 cylinder car motor. If you banked up 6 of these in a geared timing the lift could pull up and down the push rods of the motor. this will run a generator and output electricity. or even a Crank wheel like an old locomotive set up would be simpler.
Please google "lead-out energy" for detailed information. The mathematics:
Two parts horizontal energy can lead-out or bring-in approximately one part of vertical (gravitational) energy. So long as there is tension in the string, gravitational energy can be lead-out. Email: ltseung@hotmail.com for more detail.
3. can NEVER be used for PRACTICAL comuting, except for cable cars (bicycle is practical even though it is inferior to the pendulum when it comes to energy eficiency).
But precisely because of this ineficiency bicycle works well. However - other application of the pendulum are possible and will work great- lifting weights, pump water, river crossing if no bridge etc)
@acogymyoutu, Thank you sir for your comments. For; even though you had some negative ones, you also put in positive ones. THAT; is what I call comstructive crita sizum.
If indeed the machine does not put out more work than is put in. It would still have great value to a third world farmer who could not afford the fuel for an iragation pump if you gave him the pump.
@acogymyoutu, This machine CAN be set up to rum like a grandFarther clock with pullies and weights. Loaded with a chainfall in the morning and run all day with no-one there. The farmer could go about other chores while his fields are being watered.
I doubt it. The lever jumping affects the mechanism and it will disintegrate. But a electric power, a sensor and little electric motor could do a job.
However - a lot of people are talking about resonance, exotic energy, antigravity etc and therefore some serious researchers will perhaps look the other way. This invention was long overdue in human history and is finaly here. It has future.
If anyone cares for a proper, simple explanation of this principle leave an email.
newton said.....something about a falling object squaring its velocity? yes no?soo I would tend to believe that it speeds up its angular velocity so the input to keep it running would be much lower than the force it's exerting...forgive me for the spelling...I like this machine alot
We have finished the two escapements and are mounting them to the machine this weekend. My fear is that I made them too powerfull and may have to do a little adjusting.
Continuing ...displacement due to the balance that is established. So it's a different way to get a job ... As a bike or lift with your balance. Not "create" energy, the only advantage of a very efficient way. Never swing by itself does not create anything for power. Accumulate and apply the energy it receives in a different way and with high efficiency. I did simulations with the software PHUN to prove these claims. Congratulations to this efficient way transfomer our precious energy business!
This is an illusion my friends! The weight of the pendulum neutralizes the weight of the load ... Hence a small touch on the side of the pendulum is able to move the other:) ... When the pendulum swings it applies on its axis varying forces, always lower than the rest because of the angle formed ... Hence two points of their shift it will cause the movement of the weight of the load ... Little energy is taken from the weight of the pendulum for... I send to your email this complete answer!!!
The Large weight is feeding back energy into the pendulum on the backswing. LOOK to prove his concept he simply has to hook a generator to the large weight, feed power back to the small one to trigger it and then it should run FOREVER plus put out power. Its as simple as that.
Well done on this construction! I have often thought of building one like this and it is great to see such a large one having been built.
problem I have had with this is that the energy gained when the weight is lifted is simply returned when the weight descends. All that really seems to be happening is that when the pendulum gets enough speed velocity x weight multiplies the downward force. if there is a power take-off this would eliminate this effect.
this is neat, imma do a model in autodesk inventor and see what it says the in and out power are.. and see if i can get it to keep itself going... also.. you remind me of mr. Joseph Newman a lil bit.
Three heart attacks. Failing economy. Weather so hot, at my age it is hard to breath out side.
Drawings and tests have been compleated for closeing the loop.. And they all work. The only thing left is finding the time to build it RIGHT the first time.
I am hopeing this fall when the weather cools a bit.
Think Grandfather clock driven by weights and chains
Asking the question then doing something about it. OR; Asking the question and then drop it.
ALL in All; I injoyed your coments. And you are very correct as to the size of a usfull machine. But a little off on your guesstamation of 20,00 Lbs to one H/P. That would be closer to 3 H/P.
Actualy it takes 6,600 Lbs @ 2 meters to = one H/P.
Here's the Achilles heel of all good intentions, the missing elements in the simple math that define real science. Power is forceXdistance/time. Take any one element away, and you have no power. 6600 poundsX2 meters isn't power, it's work. See how easy it is to make claims when the definition of power isn't even complete? I can lift 10 tons with my little finger one mile, it's nonsense when it comes time to harness that work into power. Also, who will equivalently swingset a tractor for 1 HP?
That is awesome if it will work out. I didn't catch the fine points of your number description, sorry about that. If you are able to indeed produce 1 HP with much less than that for input, you will have quite an accomplishment. I am really wishing that something simple could solve certain power requirements. At the same time, until something is proven and easily duplicated, it's a theory. Empirical evidence will always be the strongest form of success.
I really wish people like you would get invaulved. Your understanding of the machine is excalint. and to actulay build one and operate it would show you things you can not see with the naked eye..
Here my perspective, assuming all the numbers are accurate or close enough for the 1 HP unit. 3 tons of concrete and rebar for a pendulum weight is around one and a half cubic yards of volume. It's the cheapest solid weight I can think of. Not counting the structure it would take to swing this, it's a little intimidating for the average garage man. I would definitely instrumentate and document the clear input and output of a much smaller version before building a swingset for a train in my yard.
I agree with the use of concret for experimental perposes. However for a real machine I will be using lead.
One qubic foot of concret is aprox. 150 lbs while the same amount of lead is 700 lbs.
Lead is 7 times as expencive as concret. But you must keep in mined that if it works, (with miner maintanince) the machine will last forever. And 100% recycleable.
Hint; one large Maxwell House coffee can full of concret is 14 lbs.
The same coffee can full of lead is 72 lbs. 5 times heavyer for the same size SO !!! much less air drag for a miuch heaveyer pendulum. Remember; By the Book, friction is the only thing that stops a pendulum.
I am working on a pendulum design that will reduce air drag by over 95%
Next is to work on lateral pull.
A 200 lb, pendulum lifts my 1,000 lb. frame off the ground.
I think I can reduce lateral pull by over 90% This would make the swinging of really heavy pendulums possable.
RHEAD; I think this is an amazing demo. It occurs to me that if you put the lifted weight on a ratchet, so that it went up every time, but not down (until your end of travel), it would more clearly show over-unity. Every pulse from pendulum would increase potential energy of lifted balast. The added energy is then easily calculated. I have ideas and sketches I could fax to you for ways to build this mechanism. We could talk math, if you like.
I really wish this were a way to redirect or make use of otherwise unusable energy. The math isn't right, at least not yet. One horsepower is 550 foot pounds per second. This video shows 70 inch pounds per second max. That's 70 divided by 12 inches divided by 550. One hundredth of a horsepower. I should hope I could easily keep this output going with one hand. It's not very much power. But, here's hoping the larger versions prove all the naysayers wrong!
its true the out put is what you say but the input duration last for far less, perhaps as little as one hundredth of the ark of the pendulum swing so we have one hundredth hp out and one thousandth hp in
i dont believe in overunity,but more corect in energy efficiency...in fact COP>1 is confused often with overunity,when ,in fact is efficiency bigger than 100%,in the case of two stage oscilator,the gravity and the centrigugal force are converted into linear forces and harnessed at the other end of the lever
this machine compensate on long term the energy that was put in it...so,yes it may take 10 minutes or 20,or even a half of hour to get this device runing at full potential,but after one half of hour,the movement is very easy to mantain,and we can speak about output energy that is more than that half of our of input energy
Actualy it takes less than 2 minutes to get it up to full steam AND I have operated it for more than two & one half hours with out getting the least bit tired BORED as hell. BUT; tired NO.
Actualy ; I was using one hand while drinking coffee with the other. Had the pot right there and pourd and mixed cream and sugar as I would empty each cup I draink
this ''boring'' problem can easylly be solved be ading an actuator to the pendulum. it consumes only an insignifiant fraction of the power produced by the two stage oscillator
You are one of the people that gave the most positive in put. So I am contacting you to let you know that I have built the actuwater device you were talking about. Only, I am calling it an Escapement. Like in a grand father clock.
"we can speak about output energy that is more than that half of our of input energy ". So we can talk about an efficiency of maybe 60 % ? Do you realize that an electric motor can have an efficiency of almost 90 % ? So what's the point ??? Please go back to school and don't make me lose my time with non-sense rubbish.
i meant to say half of hour,but i omitted de ''h'',k? anyway you seem to be the type of the intelectual that has no background in practice and engineering,you are only theoretician; so i sugest you start build such a device and start testing on it,and then you can criticise as much as you want
Listen, I am not here to tell you, you shouldn't believe in something, something misterious and magic or whatever you want. I had many doubts and questions about physics. Now I still have, but a little less. I am 29, engineer, 4 years spent working in a big industrial electronics corporation. I am NOT a genius but I think I know something about physics. The answer to all your questions about this machine have been written by Isaac Newton in 1700. There is no mystery about. Cheers
i know that is no mistery about it,and i know something else...comparing this device with other so called''free energy devices'',this two stage oscillator really has the potential. i just told you,build one of this , experiment on your own,and then will talk. it's a lot more easier to throw something to garbage just for the simple fact it does not comply with known phisycs laws
Listen, I will save my time and MY energy which are not free at all. There is no need tu build such a machine, it can be proved mathematically that is a machine with efficiency <100%. Which means that it assorbs energy. This thing is not different from a "cuckoo clock" from 17th century.
And PLEASE, do not talk about physics laws since I see you don't know almost any of them. Your sentence "does not comply with known phys. laws " is just STUNNING. No more time waste, goodbye
i made a small bench model of this thing out of some wood, i used a small electro magnet that i wound and used it to power the pendulum, it's been swinging back & forth four hours on my bench,i will say it does'nt use much power to swing the pendulum, even at less than 1 amp draw from the 12 volt battery, but i can't see how it would do any usefull work at this time, oh well! back to the drawing board. bye guys.
when pushing my children on a swing set not properly secured to the ground, the oscillations would at times created enough energy to cause the legs of the swing set to puncture the ground several
inches into the ground. this is the same
energy that your machine uses. A little power in, lots of power out. By the way
gravity and magnetism have mathematical similarities. i dabble with magnetic motor possibilities and its looking promising. And like yourself i do some construction. .
My advice is to put an accelerometer on the pendulum which will allow you to measure your input. I think you might be underestimating how much force you might be applying, that in combination with the effect of leverage explains why/how you're able to lift the weight. Ancient cranes made of wood and hemp rope could lift 10+ tons of stone with 4 men, only made possible with leverage.
I am sorry but it seems that your questions and doubts are only generated by an insufficient knowledge of physics. Please do not talk about physics if you don't know the matter. You could make someone believe that overunity is possible, which is the a big mistake for students. About your video : don't forget that you stored A LOT of energy into the oscillating weight when you put it into movement. What you're doing with your fingers is to compensate the energy lost because of friction.
It is obvious to me that you "think", you understand the first law of the conservation of energy and truly belive in it. It is also obvious that "IF", you have even heard of the second law in the conservation of energy. That You have "NO IDEA" what it means in relationship to the first Law.
When you understand the first 2 laws of the conservation of energy to the point that they are no longer 2 differant laws. BUT the same law, spoken in differant words. Only then. Comment on this machine.
I guess you're talking about the 3 laws of motion written by Newton about 300 years ago. However, talking about physics I don't believe in "words", I believe in the LAWS which are always the same and always provable, anytime anywhere. So, since we can assume that those laws are the same EVEN in your backyard, i can affirm that you built a useless machine....
Don't take any offence sir, but you could have much better results buying a second hand hydraulic jack which could lift up to 2 tons with less muscular force. Magic? No, physics. And the answers to your doubts or questions have been written in books centuries ago.
I do thank you for your concern as to me taking offence to your statements. TRULY; I am not offended. In fact. I am very interested in what you are saying and how you articulat your belifes.
Your sinario of the hydraulic jack does not apply in this case. In the jack. The more weight that is added, the harder it is to push the handle. Add enough weight & the handle will not move.
In the 2 stage oscillator. The more weight that is applied the less energy needed to push the pendulum.
wow,he could have built a 2 tones pendulum just as well and still he would have move it with his tip of the finger after a while...it has no relevance what you're saying mister...this two-stage oscillator is the real deal
Uhm so I am an ignorant, about what? What is that thing that YOU can see and I cannot ? Are you talking about some kind of misterious, secret, magic thing ? I don't think I live in "dark ages" since I think I know something about science. I only see a bunch of people who think they are making something new and special, only 'cause they don't understand exaclty what they're doing.....sorry
and the proof is that you are not able to lift the big weight if you didn't store enough energy into the small weight. you have to ADD energy at every stroke to keep the sistem running. Do you have any question about it?
Cheers & Thanks Buddy, Good Health and Prosperity to You and all the "Alternative Energy Prospectors"
Pendulum oscillation is "Conservative" A perfect pendulum with zero friction would swing indefinately. To prove 'over-unity' It is not necessary for the pendulum to exhaust it's swing! If it starts at 90 degrees, and after several oscillations, the bob starts it's swing a foot lower, It's exactly the same amount of work done, as lifting a similar weight one foot up! 2009 will be a great year!
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I counted about 50 'lifts' per minute. Pendulum weight = 46 Lbs. Lift = 74 Lbs.
Height of 'Lift' 1 inch (aprox)
A FINE TOOTH BROKEN OLD BANDSAW BLADE, (Stiffened with wooden struts?), COULD MAKE A GREAT RATCHET ROD! IF A 46 Lb.(Pendulum bob), lifts a 74 Lb ratcheted weight through 50 inches. Q.E.D. Saw-blade tracks mounted on a rack, could prevent the heavy weight falling back? (Salvage from Old Filing Cabinet Drawers?)
Excuse :-)... The lower force to move a hamer is REAL because the WAY used is very eficient... We use LOWER energy would be necessary with any other system. So we have a real energy gain because te SYSTEM is more eficient... Is balanceated and with no have loss transmitions energy source to load... But the energy aplicated not is amplified... As if it were but is not :-) . You are very clear, congratulations!!!
I am trying to show that this machine does not make energy from Nothing. We all Know, that, is impossable. Energy can not be created, "NOR" can it be distroyed. ONLY redirected.
Congratulations for all vídeos!!! I'm Millovic admirator. But the low force necessary to move a "hamer" is aparent... See, first, the system is balanceated... After the energy is aplicated to hamer directely, withou transmitions losses... Is similar bikes and elavator... BUT is a GREAT way of to make a lot of works like water pumps and oil extractors... Congratulations for all demonstrations!!!
Imagine a huge heavy spinning flywheel that you keep adding energy to keep spinning. If it's heavy enough, you could power a car or bike with it and even straight uphill. Measure and maintain the rpm, just a little added kick now and then to keep it up to 2K rpm.
Device is analogous to a weighing machine that you let oscillate it for a while. However it stops fast, because the phase of the forces on both ends is the same. The pendulum just moves the phase by 90 degree. So it oscillates a little bit longer.
The energy changes from kinetic to potentially on both ends, but one after another. The attrition slows down the pendulum and changes the phase, till it stops.
I guess I need to get back to the drawing board and find a way to keep it from slowing down. I could always let my 8 year old son and his little friends run it, untile I figure out something differant.
you forgot about inertia and centrifugal force that occur. and this milkovic device is a elaborated lever,that transform inertial and centrifugal forces in kinetic energy
Не разумем шта прича овај што тапше и гура клатно, али видим, да док га гура и мрда... Не убрзава само? А, ваљда то тврди? Свашта... Матор човек, а није чуо за физику?
there are 2 main efficiency factors, 1 you already know. the second factor is how rigid your lever is. phallic jokes aside, from the video it looks like it is bending but looking more closely i realize it could be the piece of wood. i've been following mr. milkovic's work for at least 2 years. i consider myself to be his #1 fan. maybe we all do. cheers
To improve efficacy; You have to increase the ratio of the power bar and the weight of the pendulum. Then you lift the weight much higher with no more energy in. Remember;;; The weight of the pendulum (once it is swinging) is of no importance as to energy in.
10 pounds or 200 pounds. It takes the same energy to keep it swinging.
I was considering buiding one on two trees as a base. I was thinking using 4X4s for the pivit bar, should be cheap and easy. I love your bicyle wheel there Very good. Awesome stuff I was thinking using a magnet on the heavy side to give the push, I would make that solar powered going to a battery, thus having a 24 hour a day pump. The pump could then compress air to a tank. I loved this invention from the first time I saw it.
AlkalineSot: if the losses do not include the periodic lifting of the heavier weight, and the input required to maintain motion only includes periodic small nudges of the hand, then what would be the difference if the lifting arm was driving a motor, at equivalent work and frequency, instead of lifting weight?
Since pendulum is just a start-stop flywheel, PE is converted back to KE and forth to PE over and over, with losses from banging, bearing, air friction,component deformation. It is ONLY these losses that need to be made up during "pushing" phase of demonstration. Goobledegook about torque, mechanical advantage and inch-pounds of work is red herring.
Lifted weight is part of pendulum's energy storage mechanism!! He only needs to lift it once, which he does at beginning of his swinging (actually if you look carefully at weight end of crossbeam: weight is already lifting a little bit at beginning.) Compare heights of swing, with lines on boat and house, to see that, when swinging freely, there are losses. With his initial swings (including before start of video) he has lifted weight and stored its PE into system. (continued next comment)
It's all self deception. There is no extra energy gain. Lifting 72 pounds on inch is just part of the pendulum and it doesn't really compare to moving the 46 pounds the 7 or 8 inches.
The energy being put into the 74 pound weight is put back into the pendulum when the weight returns to its original position with only friction losses. The friction losses are where the energy being put in by pushing the pendulum is lost. If the 74 pound weight was on a ratchet to raise it and not return to original position, then you may be starting to show something significant but I see nothing of importance with this demonstration.
This dimonstation was only to show the potintal power. We thinks , You did not see my other 3 videos of it turning a wheel. Which did not, BUT could easly have had, magnets on it passing over coils of copper wire.
OOHH well !!! That will be in a later video. "ONE STEP AT A TIME"
Sorry to disappoint, considering how enthusiastic you are about your pendulum oscillator, but it is the same as any other pendulum system and will eventually run down due to friction.
Often it can be difficult to understand what you are seeing - in the truest sense your setup is in fact not lifting the 74 pound weight and doing any real work. That sounds crazy so let me elaborate.
For every half-swing, you see the 74-pound weight get lifted and then drop down. The key is the dropping down. The dropping down gives energy back to the pendulum.
In other words: The swinging pendulum lifts the 74-pound weight, that energy comes from the pendulum, and although you can't see it with your eyes, the pendulum swinging slows down a bit when that happens. Then the weight drops down, and lifts the whole swinging pendulum up (just look at the pivot point) giving the energy back.
What that means is that the 74-pound weight going up and down is energy-neutral. There is a net zero energy transfer into the weight.
Here is another way of stating it: The weight is just an energy storage device for the pendulum. For every half-swing, the pendulum puts some energy into the 74-pound weight and then gets it back, for a net energy change of zero. The 74-pound weight has almost no effect on the pendulum operation.
Since the 74-pound weight has no real effect on the pendulum, let's look at just the pendulum.
The pendulum is just storing energy in its swing. Let's look a little closer: The pendulum is really transforming the swinging energy into gravitational potential energy back and forth.
Keeping it simple:
The max swing energy is related to the mass of the pendulum and it's speed at the bottom of the swing = 1/2*M*V-squared.
The max gravitational potential energy is when the pendulum it at it's maximum height = M*G*h
If you know the max height you can determine the max velocity and vice-versa, because the kinetic energy has to be equal to the gravitational potential energy.
Finally, you remark how little force you are applying to the pendulum to keep it swing while the 74-pound weight is being lifted. Well, no we know better and the 74-pound weight is not really being lifted, it is just storing and releasing the pendulum energy.
So, the small amount of pressure you put on your hand to keep it running is for one thing only - to overcome friction. It's NOT doing any work to lift the 74-pound weight, it's just supplying energy that the friction is turning into heat
The moral of the story is it's doesn't mater how big you build it, nothing is going to change.
If you had an escapement or winch to lift the 74-pound weight up only, the in short order the swinging pendulum would grind to a halt as the 74-pound weight gets lifted higher and higher. All of the pendulum energy will go into the 'MGh' of the 74-pound weight.
The energy will simply be sucked out of the swinging pendulum and go into raising the 74-pound weight.
Your explaination reads like the 56 page white paper I read years ago. Writen by the best Space and Airodinamic enginierss in the world. Explaining "WHY" it was imposible for the Bumbal Bee to fly. My 8 year old son can not pick up 74 pounds by himself. With this machine. He picked it up over 300 times in less than 7 minutes. Then his Mother walked up, he looked at her and said "LOOK MOM, two fingers". You may be right, But I will continue work
Well, let me suggest a very simple experiment for you: Put a solid support under the 74-pound weight so the rocker arm doesn't move anymore, and get the pendulum oscillating and time how long it takes to swing down from full height to somewhere around half height. Then take the support away and repeat the experiment.
It should take about the same time to swing down to half height with or without the 74-lb weight moving. That tells you that no real work is being done when the weight moves.
Oops, sorry I will correct myself: To stop the rocker arm from moving, weigh it down with some extra weight. Don't put a support under the 74-lb weight, that's my mistake.
I wish you luck with your various experiments!!!
Also, don't be surprised if there is a new update on the flying bumblebee. You have to use supercomputers doing trillions of fluid dynamics calculations per second to simulate it! When that white paper was written, there was not enough number crunching power available.
I too did find a way to make it self running, allthough I haven't buildt it yet ;)
It's supposed to have a kinda strong string attached to the lifter (hammer) which will pull on a arm which then will slap the pendulum everytime its rock back and forth.
so you load the system to the point where the unforseen energy is not yet enough to pickup the 42lb dead weight... then finally you add just enough force to exceed the lift force requirements
let me know what you think about my assement... by the way i think you are very interesting person, and i would love to see you make that machine perpetual... go man!
i think whats happening here is that at the beginning you have to rock the pend. alot at first to get it going... you are adding and storing alot of energy in the system with the full strokes... the structure is very heavy and sturdy so the energy stored as you load it is not apparent ...though their is definately torsion forces felt by the metal main beams and supports...ex the previous time you built the machine, when it was lighter, it rocked when you intially loaded the system...
The math by howsebee almost had me convinced. But the flaw is that the output weight is lifted twice for every time the pendulum is pushed. this is true whether the machine runs a short or a long time. To me, his theory seems to show that output equals two times input. Only the escapement version will reveal the truth, be it good or bad news. Please share it with us either way.
You got it;; Good or bad, it will be videoed and shown on you tube. That is why I built it in the first place. To prove or disprove. Seems as pushing by hand And math, prove nothing. I will make a few more videos of this set up while I am building the escapement for the new designed pendulum.
New pendulum is a round hollow wheel 8 feet in diamiter, 16 inches thick. With trap door to load in lead weights. We have over 1200 pounds of scrap lead we are melting and pouring into 12 pound ingots.
Cont.: 4) Add the distance d to h2: h2 + d = h3. Now compare h3 with h1. Are they pretty much the same? If yes, the oscillator has an energy surplus. If h3 is noticeably smaller than h1, the oscillator conforms to the conservation of energy. -
It's always possible that my analysis is flawed. But IMHO the experimental evidence to the contrary needs to be stronger than what's been produced so far. --- And sorry for using up so much space ;-)
Thanks howsybee; Please, don't EVEN apologize for using a lot of space. At the very least, you are trying to help me understand the mathematics of this machine. And that is exactly why I made this video. Asking for help to understand it.
Cont.: 3) Again, bring the pendulum into the same starting position ho. Again, measure the height (h2) the pendulum reaches on the first (half) swing, but this time, once the pendulum axis reaches its lowest position (which you have measured in the previous measurement), hold the horizontal bar. DO NOT let the bar return to its original position. Doing all this will probably take two persons. - cont.
Cont.: Measure the vertical distance d that the pendulum AXIS (the pivot point) travels while the pendulum is pulling down its end of the horizontal bar. - cont.
Cont.: Another possibility would be the measurement I proposed Mr. Milkovic, which he deemed unnecessary:
1) Measure the height ho of the starting point of the pendulum. Keep the horizontal bar fixed. Release the pendulum. Measure the height h1 that the pendulum reaches on its fist (half) swing.
2) Bring the pendulum into the same starting position ho. This time, the horizontal bar is not fixed. -cont.
That energy will of course not be fed back into the right part of the device anymore, so you will have to do continuing and stronger pushes to make up for the loss. But you need to be able to measure the coupled out energy to compare it with the intput, not like Milkovic's IMHO pathetic attempt with the flashlights.The most compelling evidence of course would be to use the coupled out energy to drive the pendulum, i.e. achieve a self-running device. As far as I know, that hasn't occurred.-cont
Cont.: To what extent the seesaw movement of the bar attenuates the pendulum swing depends largely on the height the weight is lifted, or to paraphrase it, on how much the pedulum trajectory deviates from being circular. The more circular, the smaller the attenuation, and the more liftings. If you really want to compare output with input, you need something to couple out some of the energy, either while the left part of the bar is moving up, or on its way down. - cont.
RHEAD: Pushing with double force? No. I've outlined the condition for 'lifting the weight at all', not 'lifting the weight once' or '...twice'. You can't just add the number of liftings and say, "look what I put into it, and what I got out of it". This is an oscillation with an ongoing transfer of energy between the two sides, with some of the potential energy of the lifted weight used to raise the pendulum (increase its potential energy), and some to decelerate the pendulum.- cont.
WOW !!! THAT"S What I'm talking about folks. Real help with real math.
Thanks howsybee. That was Great. So; Seeing that the weight is being picked up twice for each push. That means I must be pushing with a force double that in your figures 18.8 Lbs.. Is that right? And seeing that my fingers only move 5 to 6 inches tells me that I must be applying even more force than double. Say, maybe 24 to 25 Lbs for 6 inches.
Thanks howsybee. I know exactly what I need to do next. Build an escapement.
CONT. 1) Thanks, RHEAD100 for this excellent video.
2) The device conforms to the mechanical laws. Energy ouput reflects input; hence, there is no energy surplus, and I am sorry to say that the people who think otherwise are trapped in a self-sustaining belief system. I have communicated with Mr. Milkovic and suggested a certain simple measurement that would prove an energy surplus if there was one. But he felt that he "will no more focus on such things" and -- to be continued
CONT. Now, imagine that the pendulum part of the bar was 8 times as long as the part with the 74 pound weight, and there would be no pendulum, just a rope with a handle hanging down, 8 inches of pulling the handle down with a force of 9.4 pounds would just about lift a 75 pound (9.4 x 8) weight 1 inch!!!
What it boils down to is the following: -- to be continued
CONT. Now, considering that the bar already starts to turn when the pendulum is still about 15° away from its bottom position, only about 95.5% of its initial potential energy have been converted into motion. That means that the kinetic energy input from RHEAD100 is about 4.5% of the initial potential energy (approx. 190 J) = 8.4 J. That means that RHEAD100 may accelerate the pendulum across an estimated distance of 8 inches and exert a force of about 9.4 pounds. -- to be continued
Let's analyse this video a little closer. If the 46-pound pendulum was released from a 90° angle the centrifugal force could lift a maximum weight 3 times the pendulum's weight = 138 pounds. With the bar ratio of 1.41:1 the pedulum could still lift a weight of 98 pounds. Now, with a max. angle of approx. 77° as shown in the video, the pendulum could lift 76 pounds at the bottom which is roughly the left weight. -- to be continued
We have talked before. Do not worry about the math behind this.You are doing the right thing in actually building, I lack the resources to build big,but am continuing with small scale experiments.For a self runner, are you using a purely mechanical feedback? If electrical, look at the Hipp toggle.{google it] Either way, you seem pretty commited , and we are all rootin for you. Some of us can only experiment with toys at this stage, but we may still learn something. Many thanks for sharing,
We aquired another 809 pounds of lead yesterday 8/15/08 Scrap yards are the best source of material for this type of experiment.
Yes we are trying to use a mechanical feed back to keep it running. It takes no more that 3 pushes on the penulum and watch it pick up 74 pounds 6 times for any one to realize this thing is putting out far more than they are putting in. I have let lots of people try it. Every single one is amazed.
You say that you are picking up 74 pounds on the left side. Maybe before you connected it to your see-saw device it was 74 pounds. If you put your bathroom scale under the weight on the left side and weigh it while it is connected and not moving, what weight do you get now? Your see-saw has a lot of weight on the right side, too, including the weight of that wheel. It's a balancing act and I would guess there is little actual work being performed. Work = force * distance = ? * 1 inch.
If you put the bathroom scales under the weight on the right without the 46 pound pendulum. It weighs 74 pounds. That is why we swing the pendulum as close to 90 degrees out as posible. When the pendulum is high in the air and stops to change direction. At that very moment. It has no weight and pulls nothing on the weight on the right and it comes down with the full 74 pounds of weight moveing 1 inch.
If the 74 lb weight returns to original position, net work looks like zero, but if that 74 lbs keeps climbing, as I think it would if on a ratchet-lift, accumulated work done would be quite obvious.
Of course unlimited vertical travel is impossible, but even limited travel would demonstrate very high COP.
We have an old 4 Ton Cast Iron Wrecking Ball going rusty in our yard at Red Scar Foundry. plum shaped. We have 28 pounds of N35 Neodymium Magnets, little thin ones, ideal for a short-stroke three-phase alternator.
Red Scar Industrial Coatings Ltd. "Veljko Milkovic" Pendulum will incorporate this pulse-short-stroke-alternator. Folk at home, swing a weight on a string and rubber band, watch it stretch. put soot on the knot, and measure the stretch through a paper tube. Physics costs now't!;-D
Congratulations! The bigger machine you made the bigger output you will get and more convincing it will be. So keep good work and make the next model the bigger you can and the mechanical energy excess will be proved even better.
You can find theory and math of 2 stage oscillator on Veljko Milkovic'c web-site:
look for "Opinions on invention" page on the left side.
Thank you, Thank you. Encouragement is ALWAYS Welcome. Most people do not understand 74 pounds 1 inch in one second equates to 1.6 horse power. We started construction 3 days ago on one that will put out 16 plus horse power and will be powered by my 8 year old son.
Way to go Ray! I'm SO into the SIZE of it and the demonstrated strength. That centrifugal / gravity swing has got some real pull! Reminds me of the Perpetual pendulum at Griffith Observatory in LA swinging for years and years. Keep going!!!
Thanks LiL Brother; Kinda had a feeling you would like it. Weight till you see the next one. Actualy producing more electricity than it takes to run it. that is a 100% can do.
You got it Bro....no doubt I LIKE IT! I can't wait to see this developing. Really keeping me happy. YEAH!!!! Did I tell you I like the noise it makes too....it's got it's own song :)
The compliment is passed up the chain. and the chain goes back furter than Galileo Galilei. "Centripetal Acceleration" is the "Key Word". It is very real. We have here a system where "Gravitational Acceleration" and "Centripetal Acceleration" are both working in harmony. Forces are just the result, acceleration is the cause. A force acting through a distance, is called work.
BTW. Prof. Walter Lewin (YouTube) told his Undergrads to not even attempt the mathematics of a "Large" angle of swing.
In my next 2 stage oscillator we are building now. The power bar will have a 8 to 1 ratio. Giving us a 4 inch vertical movement at the power end and only ½ inch movement at the pendulum end. With this ratio, and an 800 pound pendulum. We should be producing aprox. 16 horse power out and less than 1.3 horse power in. Coupled with the new designed pendulum. I am hoping for less than ¾ horse power needed in.
Sure thing Hermann. Where you see my user name in blue (RHead100) click on it and go to my home page on you tube. In My favorites you will see a video called "Verge & Foliot Escapement". It is not exactly how I will be doing it. But very close. Then watch the one called "Ball Pendulum". Then the one called "Examples of clocks in action".
Actually, Hermann; It is nothing more than as very large & heavy Grand Father Clock Pendulum, that has a higher swing, giving it more power than is needed to load the escapement. Most people don't realize, 100 or 10 pound pendulum, Once they are swinging. It takes no more energy for one than the other to maintain the swing.
There is a slight energy gain because of the cycloidal movement, but is is less the the friction inherent in the system plus the wind resistance of the pendulum. Plus there is always energy lost converting momentum from one form to another, in this case rotary to linear.
addicted2wingboats 3 days ago
@addicted2wingboats I would bet money you THINK you are correct in eveything you said. HOWEVER ;;;; It is 3 1/2 years later and several thousand dollars later. It is now hooked up to a generator and produces 75 watts and can be operqated with one hand while drinking coffee with the other and after three hours of operation NO WHERE NEAR TIRED. board OUT OF MY MIEND "BUT" not tired. We are improving it to put out 150 watts. With same energy input.
RHEAD100 3 days ago
You could achieve the same result by hanging the weight from a long spring, and gently pushing down on it in rhythm. It would eventually reach the same height. If you measured the small force of each push and totaled them, the total would equal the force needed to actually lift the weight the distance achieved.
addicted2wingboats 3 days ago
This doesn't work the way it is explained. Firstly it isn't lifting 74lb, because the pendulum weighs 46lb it is only lifting about 28lb. But really it isn't lifting anything. The weight "lifts" about an inch (taking energy from the pendulum), then it "falls" the same distance, giving energy back to the pendulum. If the weight had a ratchet, so that when it lifts it's unable to fall back down, the pendulum would quickly lose energy and you would have to push harder.
addicted2wingboats 3 days ago
Couldn't you replace your hand with a sprung sheet of metal on a bracket?
Anxian 11 months ago
Excellent. I am now adicted to this subject. LOL.
Imagine an internal combustion engine crank and open head cylinders. Say in a straight 6 cylinder car motor. If you banked up 6 of these in a geared timing the lift could pull up and down the push rods of the motor. this will run a generator and output electricity. or even a Crank wheel like an old locomotive set up would be simpler.
eckyspondoolie 1 year ago
@eckyspondoolie That is a mouth full. "BUT", You are absolutly 100% Correct
RHEAD100 11 months ago
@RHEAD100
Pendulum to Rotary Power
(a youtube clip is very good.)
Imagine one of these with some magnet assist.
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ltseung888 1 year ago
Actually there is a model of gravity that accounts for the behavior of this mechanical oscillator.
Specifically, look at the path traced by the pendulum while its moving attached to the swinging arm. Its a cycloid.
4. Cycloids and gravity
aetherometry dot om /Aetherometry_Intro/pratt_aether_grav.php#g4
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dharmastipulate 1 year ago
Great job, it is better video 6...
jovanmensa 1 year ago
Hello, what if you change the chains on the weigh for bars, with some kind of latch; in this way, the weigh will be up an inch or so on any cycle.
Sorry about my english...
Good job.
yv6eda 1 year ago
Stupid
nibed123 1 year ago
it's slowng ..
Check amplitude marks from 0:00 to 1:58, before author apply force swinging of the pendulum.
Too tricky, but not perpetum)
Gobseq 1 year ago
Two stage pendulum principle:
1. no exotic energy involved here
2. no greater output then input
3. can NEVER be used for PRACTICAL comuting, except for cable cars (bicycle is practical even though it is inferior to the pendulum when it comes to energy eficiency).
But precisely because of this ineficiency bicycle works well. However - other application of the pendulum are possible and will work great- lifting weights, pump water, river crossing if no bridge etc)
acogymyoutu 1 year ago
@acogymyoutu, Thank you sir for your comments. For; even though you had some negative ones, you also put in positive ones. THAT; is what I call comstructive crita sizum.
If indeed the machine does not put out more work than is put in. It would still have great value to a third world farmer who could not afford the fuel for an iragation pump if you gave him the pump.
RHEAD100 1 year ago
@acogymyoutu, This machine CAN be set up to rum like a grandFarther clock with pullies and weights. Loaded with a chainfall in the morning and run all day with no-one there. The farmer could go about other chores while his fields are being watered.
RHEAD100 1 year ago
RHEAD100,
I doubt it. The lever jumping affects the mechanism and it will disintegrate. But a electric power, a sensor and little electric motor could do a job.
However - a lot of people are talking about resonance, exotic energy, antigravity etc and therefore some serious researchers will perhaps look the other way. This invention was long overdue in human history and is finaly here. It has future.
If anyone cares for a proper, simple explanation of this principle leave an email.
acogymyoutu 1 year ago
here is no perpetual oscillations. swinging amplitude decreasing. look closely and you noticed it
linuxhsas 1 year ago
I am not exactly sure what it is you are trying to say. BUT;;; It sounds a little like , you mist the whole point of this video.
RHEAD100 1 year ago
newton said.....something about a falling object squaring its velocity? yes no?soo I would tend to believe that it speeds up its angular velocity so the input to keep it running would be much lower than the force it's exerting...forgive me for the spelling...I like this machine alot
area46241 2 years ago
Thank You, And you are 100% correct.
I like this machine a lot also.
RHEAD100 2 years ago
has any one got back to you about the math of that? if not i can
1crazyfocker 2 years ago
Please do so
RHEAD100 2 years ago
There is a list of previous theoretical and mathematical papers on this pendulum-lever system on the official website
veljkomilkovic (dot )com/MisljenjeEng (dot)html
Maybe you could find something useful for your analysis.
Ulianot 2 years ago
This really is a big hammer, and to work with such large hammer need a lot of energy! Energy is clearly multiply through work!
jovanmensa 2 years ago
Hi Jovan;
Thanks for watching my video and your comment..
We have finished the two escapements and are mounting them to the machine this weekend. My fear is that I made them too powerfull and may have to do a little adjusting.
new videos comming soon.
RHEAD100 2 years ago
fantastic videos!
bobexix 2 years ago
You have not seen anything YET.
I just finished the escapements yesterday.
I should have them installed and working in a few more days.
RHEAD100 2 years ago
Continuing ...displacement due to the balance that is established. So it's a different way to get a job ... As a bike or lift with your balance. Not "create" energy, the only advantage of a very efficient way. Never swing by itself does not create anything for power. Accumulate and apply the energy it receives in a different way and with high efficiency. I did simulations with the software PHUN to prove these claims. Congratulations to this efficient way transfomer our precious energy business!
Claudiomarsantos 2 years ago
This is an illusion my friends! The weight of the pendulum neutralizes the weight of the load ... Hence a small touch on the side of the pendulum is able to move the other:) ... When the pendulum swings it applies on its axis varying forces, always lower than the rest because of the angle formed ... Hence two points of their shift it will cause the movement of the weight of the load ... Little energy is taken from the weight of the pendulum for... I send to your email this complete answer!!!
Claudiomarsantos 2 years ago
The Large weight is feeding back energy into the pendulum on the backswing. LOOK to prove his concept he simply has to hook a generator to the large weight, feed power back to the small one to trigger it and then it should run FOREVER plus put out power. Its as simple as that.
Texmurphy51 2 years ago
If that's not ALOT more energy out than in, then I'm a physics professor. lol.
It appears as though Milkovic's Pendulum is the perfect battering ram for the Ivory towers.
They are starting to crumble under their own weight anyway, but a good push shouldn't hurt!
Blessings in Yeshua
Techstuf 2 years ago
Thanks Techstuff;
I am hoping to have the escapements up and running within the week. AND hooked up to the 2 stage oscillator in 2 weeks.
RHEAD100 2 years ago
Rhead, please add annotations. I can barely hear you. -_-'
okayillgonow 2 years ago
Actually the system does generate energy, but only if you replace the lead weight with a toddler. This man needs a toddler!
grumpystiltskin 2 years ago
That is obviously free energy!
Congratulations!
Continue to do so! Good work!
jovanmensa 2 years ago
Sir,
Well done on this construction! I have often thought of building one like this and it is great to see such a large one having been built.
problem I have had with this is that the energy gained when the weight is lifted is simply returned when the weight descends. All that really seems to be happening is that when the pendulum gets enough speed velocity x weight multiplies the downward force. if there is a power take-off this would eliminate this effect.
maitlandnz 2 years ago
In videos 3 , 4 , & 5 it is turning a wheel and none of the energy turning the wheel is going back into the pendulum.
RHEAD100 2 years ago
this is neat, imma do a model in autodesk inventor and see what it says the in and out power are.. and see if i can get it to keep itself going... also.. you remind me of mr. Joseph Newman a lil bit.
scarlejr 2 years ago
Almost a year past since this video is posted. Can you write few words where is a problem with closing a loop. Some details...
Grate job ser.
illozana 2 years ago
Three heart attacks. Failing economy. Weather so hot, at my age it is hard to breath out side.
Drawings and tests have been compleated for closeing the loop.. And they all work. The only thing left is finding the time to build it RIGHT the first time.
I am hopeing this fall when the weather cools a bit.
Think Grandfather clock driven by weights and chains
RHEAD100 2 years ago
Where is it?
Right where you leave it.
Asking the question then doing something about it. OR; Asking the question and then drop it.
ALL in All; I injoyed your coments. And you are very correct as to the size of a usfull machine. But a little off on your guesstamation of 20,00 Lbs to one H/P. That would be closer to 3 H/P.
Actualy it takes 6,600 Lbs @ 2 meters to = one H/P.
RHEAD100 2 years ago
Here's the Achilles heel of all good intentions, the missing elements in the simple math that define real science. Power is forceXdistance/time. Take any one element away, and you have no power. 6600 poundsX2 meters isn't power, it's work. See how easy it is to make claims when the definition of power isn't even complete? I can lift 10 tons with my little finger one mile, it's nonsense when it comes time to harness that work into power. Also, who will equivalently swingset a tractor for 1 HP?
coloredcoat 2 years ago
I think we both know how to write the word Ass-u-me.
Your math And explaination of the 2 stage ossolator was so good. I ASSUMED. that you knew that the length of a pendulum is it's timeing meconizum.
2 meters 4 seconds per cycle. 2 pulls per cycle. 2 seconds per pull. 2 inches per pull.
6,600 pounds moved 5 feet in one minute is 33,000 lbs one foot in one minute.
Divided by 60 seconds is 550 lbs in one second.
Timing IS everything. That is why the lingth of the pendulum is SO importsant.
RHEAD100 2 years ago
That is awesome if it will work out. I didn't catch the fine points of your number description, sorry about that. If you are able to indeed produce 1 HP with much less than that for input, you will have quite an accomplishment. I am really wishing that something simple could solve certain power requirements. At the same time, until something is proven and easily duplicated, it's a theory. Empirical evidence will always be the strongest form of success.
coloredcoat 2 years ago
I really wish people like you would get invaulved. Your understanding of the machine is excalint. and to actulay build one and operate it would show you things you can not see with the naked eye..
RHEAD100 2 years ago
Here my perspective, assuming all the numbers are accurate or close enough for the 1 HP unit. 3 tons of concrete and rebar for a pendulum weight is around one and a half cubic yards of volume. It's the cheapest solid weight I can think of. Not counting the structure it would take to swing this, it's a little intimidating for the average garage man. I would definitely instrumentate and document the clear input and output of a much smaller version before building a swingset for a train in my yard.
coloredcoat 2 years ago
Outstanding;
I agree with the use of concret for experimental perposes. However for a real machine I will be using lead.
One qubic foot of concret is aprox. 150 lbs while the same amount of lead is 700 lbs.
Lead is 7 times as expencive as concret. But you must keep in mined that if it works, (with miner maintanince) the machine will last forever. And 100% recycleable.
Hint; one large Maxwell House coffee can full of concret is 14 lbs.
RHEAD100 2 years ago
The same coffee can full of lead is 72 lbs. 5 times heavyer for the same size SO !!! much less air drag for a miuch heaveyer pendulum. Remember; By the Book, friction is the only thing that stops a pendulum.
I am working on a pendulum design that will reduce air drag by over 95%
Next is to work on lateral pull.
A 200 lb, pendulum lifts my 1,000 lb. frame off the ground.
I think I can reduce lateral pull by over 90% This would make the swinging of really heavy pendulums possable.
RHEAD100 2 years ago
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coloredcoat 2 years ago
RHEAD; I think this is an amazing demo. It occurs to me that if you put the lifted weight on a ratchet, so that it went up every time, but not down (until your end of travel), it would more clearly show over-unity. Every pulse from pendulum would increase potential energy of lifted balast. The added energy is then easily calculated. I have ideas and sketches I could fax to you for ways to build this mechanism. We could talk math, if you like.
markbachelder 2 years ago
I really wish this were a way to redirect or make use of otherwise unusable energy. The math isn't right, at least not yet. One horsepower is 550 foot pounds per second. This video shows 70 inch pounds per second max. That's 70 divided by 12 inches divided by 550. One hundredth of a horsepower. I should hope I could easily keep this output going with one hand. It's not very much power. But, here's hoping the larger versions prove all the naysayers wrong!
coloredcoat 2 years ago
its true the out put is what you say but the input duration last for far less, perhaps as little as one hundredth of the ark of the pendulum swing so we have one hundredth hp out and one thousandth hp in
datzfast 2 years ago
i dont believe in overunity,but more corect in energy efficiency...in fact COP>1 is confused often with overunity,when ,in fact is efficiency bigger than 100%,in the case of two stage oscilator,the gravity and the centrigugal force are converted into linear forces and harnessed at the other end of the lever
nicagoro 2 years ago
I am with you 100%. I do not believe it is possible to build a machine that will CREAT Energy from NOTHING.
I do , believe, it is posible to build a machine that uses less of one kind energy to harvest more of another kind.
If this were not so. The big oil people would not build multi million dollar oil riggs to harvest billions of dollars worth of oil.
The 2 stage osicillator , "DOES NOT CREAT ENERGY FROM NOTHING".
It does transform, potintial energy of gravity to kinetic energy.
RHEAD100 2 years ago
this machine compensate on long term the energy that was put in it...so,yes it may take 10 minutes or 20,or even a half of hour to get this device runing at full potential,but after one half of hour,the movement is very easy to mantain,and we can speak about output energy that is more than that half of our of input energy
nicagoro 2 years ago
Actualy it takes less than 2 minutes to get it up to full steam AND I have operated it for more than two & one half hours with out getting the least bit tired BORED as hell. BUT; tired NO.
Actualy ; I was using one hand while drinking coffee with the other. Had the pot right there and pourd and mixed cream and sugar as I would empty each cup I draink
RHEAD100 2 years ago
this ''boring'' problem can easylly be solved be ading an actuator to the pendulum. it consumes only an insignifiant fraction of the power produced by the two stage oscillator
nicagoro 2 years ago
Hi Nicagoro;
You are one of the people that gave the most positive in put. So I am contacting you to let you know that I have built the actuwater device you were talking about. Only, I am calling it an Escapement. Like in a grand father clock.
Videos comeing soon.
RHEAD100 2 years ago
"we can speak about output energy that is more than that half of our of input energy ". So we can talk about an efficiency of maybe 60 % ? Do you realize that an electric motor can have an efficiency of almost 90 % ? So what's the point ??? Please go back to school and don't make me lose my time with non-sense rubbish.
ildanny80 2 years ago
i meant to say half of hour,but i omitted de ''h'',k? anyway you seem to be the type of the intelectual that has no background in practice and engineering,you are only theoretician; so i sugest you start build such a device and start testing on it,and then you can criticise as much as you want
nicagoro 2 years ago
Listen, I am not here to tell you, you shouldn't believe in something, something misterious and magic or whatever you want. I had many doubts and questions about physics. Now I still have, but a little less. I am 29, engineer, 4 years spent working in a big industrial electronics corporation. I am NOT a genius but I think I know something about physics. The answer to all your questions about this machine have been written by Isaac Newton in 1700. There is no mystery about. Cheers
ildanny80 2 years ago
i know that is no mistery about it,and i know something else...comparing this device with other so called''free energy devices'',this two stage oscillator really has the potential. i just told you,build one of this , experiment on your own,and then will talk. it's a lot more easier to throw something to garbage just for the simple fact it does not comply with known phisycs laws
nicagoro 2 years ago
Listen, I will save my time and MY energy which are not free at all. There is no need tu build such a machine, it can be proved mathematically that is a machine with efficiency <100%. Which means that it assorbs energy. This thing is not different from a "cuckoo clock" from 17th century.
And PLEASE, do not talk about physics laws since I see you don't know almost any of them. Your sentence "does not comply with known phys. laws " is just STUNNING. No more time waste, goodbye
ildanny80 2 years ago
mathematically? exactly what i said before:you're a genius on paper,but just on paper. so long,mate!
nicagoro 2 years ago
i made a small bench model of this thing out of some wood, i used a small electro magnet that i wound and used it to power the pendulum, it's been swinging back & forth four hours on my bench,i will say it does'nt use much power to swing the pendulum, even at less than 1 amp draw from the 12 volt battery, but i can't see how it would do any usefull work at this time, oh well! back to the drawing board. bye guys.
tinkertom2118 2 years ago
I believe this machine will work ...
itsblockdog 2 years ago
very good experiment.
The idea for free energy is combined different physics concepts like this one:
A momentum in physics is Force*Distance so when you are very far away from the big weight to lift it up you do not need to have a lot of effort.
chrisleblay 2 years ago
when pushing my children on a swing set not properly secured to the ground, the oscillations would at times created enough energy to cause the legs of the swing set to puncture the ground several
inches into the ground. this is the same
energy that your machine uses. A little power in, lots of power out. By the way
gravity and magnetism have mathematical similarities. i dabble with magnetic motor possibilities and its looking promising. And like yourself i do some construction. .
datzfast 3 years ago
My advice is to put an accelerometer on the pendulum which will allow you to measure your input. I think you might be underestimating how much force you might be applying, that in combination with the effect of leverage explains why/how you're able to lift the weight. Ancient cranes made of wood and hemp rope could lift 10+ tons of stone with 4 men, only made possible with leverage.
lawsonrw 3 years ago
THANK YOU; I will give it a try.
There is a man of age, on you tube that shows how one man can move a 30 ton block of concret by himself useing leverage.
I am trying to use leverage in reverse.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
saw that, didnt he move a barn also
datzfast 3 years ago
might have to use the knowledge to make my porch with columns
datzfast 3 years ago
YEP ! ! ! And a BIG ONE
RHEAD100 2 years ago
I am sorry but it seems that your questions and doubts are only generated by an insufficient knowledge of physics. Please do not talk about physics if you don't know the matter. You could make someone believe that overunity is possible, which is the a big mistake for students. About your video : don't forget that you stored A LOT of energy into the oscillating weight when you put it into movement. What you're doing with your fingers is to compensate the energy lost because of friction.
ildanny80 2 years ago
It is obvious to me that you "think", you understand the first law of the conservation of energy and truly belive in it. It is also obvious that "IF", you have even heard of the second law in the conservation of energy. That You have "NO IDEA" what it means in relationship to the first Law.
When you understand the first 2 laws of the conservation of energy to the point that they are no longer 2 differant laws. BUT the same law, spoken in differant words. Only then. Comment on this machine.
RHEAD100 2 years ago
I guess you're talking about the 3 laws of motion written by Newton about 300 years ago. However, talking about physics I don't believe in "words", I believe in the LAWS which are always the same and always provable, anytime anywhere. So, since we can assume that those laws are the same EVEN in your backyard, i can affirm that you built a useless machine....
ildanny80 2 years ago
Don't take any offence sir, but you could have much better results buying a second hand hydraulic jack which could lift up to 2 tons with less muscular force. Magic? No, physics. And the answers to your doubts or questions have been written in books centuries ago.
ildanny80 2 years ago
I do thank you for your concern as to me taking offence to your statements. TRULY; I am not offended. In fact. I am very interested in what you are saying and how you articulat your belifes.
Your sinario of the hydraulic jack does not apply in this case. In the jack. The more weight that is added, the harder it is to push the handle. Add enough weight & the handle will not move.
In the 2 stage oscillator. The more weight that is applied the less energy needed to push the pendulum.
RHEAD100 2 years ago
wow,he could have built a 2 tones pendulum just as well and still he would have move it with his tip of the finger after a while...it has no relevance what you're saying mister...this two-stage oscillator is the real deal
nicagoro 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but you live in the dark ages..Or you are one of the thousands of shills hired by BIG OIL..to debunk
OU...I've done it myself..many times..
I tell all students to look beyond the confines of ignorant
engineers..there are many of them who refuse to see.
goose2goose2 2 years ago
Uhm so I am an ignorant, about what? What is that thing that YOU can see and I cannot ? Are you talking about some kind of misterious, secret, magic thing ? I don't think I live in "dark ages" since I think I know something about science. I only see a bunch of people who think they are making something new and special, only 'cause they don't understand exaclty what they're doing.....sorry
ildanny80 2 years ago
and the proof is that you are not able to lift the big weight if you didn't store enough energy into the small weight. you have to ADD energy at every stroke to keep the sistem running. Do you have any question about it?
ildanny80 2 years ago
Cheers & Thanks Buddy, Good Health and Prosperity to You and all the "Alternative Energy Prospectors"
Pendulum oscillation is "Conservative" A perfect pendulum with zero friction would swing indefinately. To prove 'over-unity' It is not necessary for the pendulum to exhaust it's swing! If it starts at 90 degrees, and after several oscillations, the bob starts it's swing a foot lower, It's exactly the same amount of work done, as lifting a similar weight one foot up! 2009 will be a great year!
WarzSchoolchild 3 years ago
Happy Serbian Orthodox Christmas (13 days later Julian Calendar)
I counted about 50 'lifts' per minute. Pendulum weight = 46 Lbs. Lift = 74 Lbs.
Height of 'Lift' 1 inch (aprox)
A FINE TOOTH BROKEN OLD BANDSAW BLADE, (Stiffened with wooden struts?), COULD MAKE A GREAT RATCHET ROD! IF A 46 Lb.(Pendulum bob), lifts a 74 Lb ratcheted weight through 50 inches. Q.E.D. Saw-blade tracks mounted on a rack, could prevent the heavy weight falling back? (Salvage from Old Filing Cabinet Drawers?)
WarzSchoolchild 3 years ago
Happy Serbian Orthodox Christmas to you as well my bestes little UK Buddy.
You always come up with the neatest ideas.
How do you keep doing that ????
RHEAD100 3 years ago
Excuse :-)... The lower force to move a hamer is REAL because the WAY used is very eficient... We use LOWER energy would be necessary with any other system. So we have a real energy gain because te SYSTEM is more eficient... Is balanceated and with no have loss transmitions energy source to load... But the energy aplicated not is amplified... As if it were but is not :-) . You are very clear, congratulations!!!
Claudiomarsantos 3 years ago
Thank you for your undestanding.
I am trying to show that this machine does not make energy from Nothing. We all Know, that, is impossable. Energy can not be created, "NOR" can it be distroyed. ONLY redirected.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
Congratulations for all vídeos!!! I'm Millovic admirator. But the low force necessary to move a "hamer" is aparent... See, first, the system is balanceated... After the energy is aplicated to hamer directely, withou transmitions losses... Is similar bikes and elavator... BUT is a GREAT way of to make a lot of works like water pumps and oil extractors... Congratulations for all demonstrations!!!
Claudiomarsantos 3 years ago
"If I had a long enough lever and a place to stand I could. move the world!"
thesimulacre 3 years ago
Imagine a huge heavy spinning flywheel that you keep adding energy to keep spinning. If it's heavy enough, you could power a car or bike with it and even straight uphill. Measure and maintain the rpm, just a little added kick now and then to keep it up to 2K rpm.
LoneOarman 3 years ago
Device is analogous to a weighing machine that you let oscillate it for a while. However it stops fast, because the phase of the forces on both ends is the same. The pendulum just moves the phase by 90 degree. So it oscillates a little bit longer.
The energy changes from kinetic to potentially on both ends, but one after another. The attrition slows down the pendulum and changes the phase, till it stops.
There is no overunity, sorry.
TenCompetence 3 years ago
Good explaination, Thanks.
I guess I need to get back to the drawing board and find a way to keep it from slowing down. I could always let my 8 year old son and his little friends run it, untile I figure out something differant.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
you forgot about inertia and centrifugal force that occur. and this milkovic device is a elaborated lever,that transform inertial and centrifugal forces in kinetic energy
pravaliasu6 3 years ago
Не разумем шта прича овај што тапше и гура клатно, али видим, да док га гура и мрда... Не убрзава само? А, ваљда то тврди? Свашта... Матор човек, а није чуо за физику?
ZoranM001 3 years ago
there are 2 main efficiency factors, 1 you already know. the second factor is how rigid your lever is. phallic jokes aside, from the video it looks like it is bending but looking more closely i realize it could be the piece of wood. i've been following mr. milkovic's work for at least 2 years. i consider myself to be his #1 fan. maybe we all do. cheers
aurisawei 3 years ago
improve the effiency by reducing the weight on both ends
aurisawei 3 years ago
To improve efficacy; You have to increase the ratio of the power bar and the weight of the pendulum. Then you lift the weight much higher with no more energy in. Remember;;; The weight of the pendulum (once it is swinging) is of no importance as to energy in.
10 pounds or 200 pounds. It takes the same energy to keep it swinging.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
I was considering buiding one on two trees as a base. I was thinking using 4X4s for the pivit bar, should be cheap and easy. I love your bicyle wheel there Very good. Awesome stuff I was thinking using a magnet on the heavy side to give the push, I would make that solar powered going to a battery, thus having a 24 hour a day pump. The pump could then compress air to a tank. I loved this invention from the first time I saw it.
marthale7 3 years ago
Thanks;; I buy every Bicycle I see in yard sales for under $5.00. They are a treasure chest of bearings, Sprockets, and chain, and wheels.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
AlkalineSot: if the losses do not include the periodic lifting of the heavier weight, and the input required to maintain motion only includes periodic small nudges of the hand, then what would be the difference if the lifting arm was driving a motor, at equivalent work and frequency, instead of lifting weight?
DaemonMaxwell 3 years ago
(continued from previous comment)
Since pendulum is just a start-stop flywheel, PE is converted back to KE and forth to PE over and over, with losses from banging, bearing, air friction,component deformation. It is ONLY these losses that need to be made up during "pushing" phase of demonstration. Goobledegook about torque, mechanical advantage and inch-pounds of work is red herring.
TinselKoala 3 years ago
Lifted weight is part of pendulum's energy storage mechanism!! He only needs to lift it once, which he does at beginning of his swinging (actually if you look carefully at weight end of crossbeam: weight is already lifting a little bit at beginning.) Compare heights of swing, with lines on boat and house, to see that, when swinging freely, there are losses. With his initial swings (including before start of video) he has lifted weight and stored its PE into system. (continued next comment)
TinselKoala 3 years ago
It's all self deception. There is no extra energy gain. Lifting 72 pounds on inch is just part of the pendulum and it doesn't really compare to moving the 46 pounds the 7 or 8 inches.
whgage 3 years ago
Lifting the 72 lbs 1 inch one time per second your making about 8 watts of output... the trick would be guestimating the watt input equivilant...
windfilter 3 years ago
A super simple coil and activator can be found in patent 5822277. Just copy and paste the number into Google patent search.
windfilter 3 years ago
Just lost 6 mins+ of my life on utter bullshit. The guy pushes it and says the weight moves 'more' and 'doesn't get tired'. Ahahahahahahaha
Valix22 3 years ago
The energy being put into the 74 pound weight is put back into the pendulum when the weight returns to its original position with only friction losses. The friction losses are where the energy being put in by pushing the pendulum is lost. If the 74 pound weight was on a ratchet to raise it and not return to original position, then you may be starting to show something significant but I see nothing of importance with this demonstration.
britbinns 3 years ago
This dimonstation was only to show the potintal power. We thinks , You did not see my other 3 videos of it turning a wheel. Which did not, BUT could easly have had, magnets on it passing over coils of copper wire.
OOHH well !!! That will be in a later video. "ONE STEP AT A TIME"
RHEAD100 3 years ago
Ah, the joys of the little understood kinetic energy. How this nonsense has gotten this far is a miracle.
shubus 3 years ago
Sorry to disappoint, considering how enthusiastic you are about your pendulum oscillator, but it is the same as any other pendulum system and will eventually run down due to friction.
Often it can be difficult to understand what you are seeing - in the truest sense your setup is in fact not lifting the 74 pound weight and doing any real work. That sounds crazy so let me elaborate.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
For every half-swing, you see the 74-pound weight get lifted and then drop down. The key is the dropping down. The dropping down gives energy back to the pendulum.
In other words: The swinging pendulum lifts the 74-pound weight, that energy comes from the pendulum, and although you can't see it with your eyes, the pendulum swinging slows down a bit when that happens. Then the weight drops down, and lifts the whole swinging pendulum up (just look at the pivot point) giving the energy back.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
What that means is that the 74-pound weight going up and down is energy-neutral. There is a net zero energy transfer into the weight.
Here is another way of stating it: The weight is just an energy storage device for the pendulum. For every half-swing, the pendulum puts some energy into the 74-pound weight and then gets it back, for a net energy change of zero. The 74-pound weight has almost no effect on the pendulum operation.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
Since the 74-pound weight has no real effect on the pendulum, let's look at just the pendulum.
The pendulum is just storing energy in its swing. Let's look a little closer: The pendulum is really transforming the swinging energy into gravitational potential energy back and forth.
Keeping it simple:
The max swing energy is related to the mass of the pendulum and it's speed at the bottom of the swing = 1/2*M*V-squared.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
The max gravitational potential energy is when the pendulum it at it's maximum height = M*G*h
If you know the max height you can determine the max velocity and vice-versa, because the kinetic energy has to be equal to the gravitational potential energy.
In other words: 1/2*M*V-squared = M*G*h.
If you know 'h' you can determine 'V'.
If you know 'V' you can determine 'h'.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
Finally, you remark how little force you are applying to the pendulum to keep it swing while the 74-pound weight is being lifted. Well, no we know better and the 74-pound weight is not really being lifted, it is just storing and releasing the pendulum energy.
So, the small amount of pressure you put on your hand to keep it running is for one thing only - to overcome friction. It's NOT doing any work to lift the 74-pound weight, it's just supplying energy that the friction is turning into heat
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
The moral of the story is it's doesn't mater how big you build it, nothing is going to change.
If you had an escapement or winch to lift the 74-pound weight up only, the in short order the swinging pendulum would grind to a halt as the 74-pound weight gets lifted higher and higher. All of the pendulum energy will go into the 'MGh' of the 74-pound weight.
The energy will simply be sucked out of the swinging pendulum and go into raising the 74-pound weight.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
With GREAT respect; Your theory, is just that.
Your explaination reads like the 56 page white paper I read years ago. Writen by the best Space and Airodinamic enginierss in the world. Explaining "WHY" it was imposible for the Bumbal Bee to fly. My 8 year old son can not pick up 74 pounds by himself. With this machine. He picked it up over 300 times in less than 7 minutes. Then his Mother walked up, he looked at her and said "LOOK MOM, two fingers". You may be right, But I will continue work
RHEAD100 3 years ago
Well, let me suggest a very simple experiment for you: Put a solid support under the 74-pound weight so the rocker arm doesn't move anymore, and get the pendulum oscillating and time how long it takes to swing down from full height to somewhere around half height. Then take the support away and repeat the experiment.
It should take about the same time to swing down to half height with or without the 74-lb weight moving. That tells you that no real work is being done when the weight moves.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
Oops, sorry I will correct myself: To stop the rocker arm from moving, weigh it down with some extra weight. Don't put a support under the 74-lb weight, that's my mistake.
I wish you luck with your various experiments!!!
Also, don't be surprised if there is a new update on the flying bumblebee. You have to use supercomputers doing trillions of fluid dynamics calculations per second to simulate it! When that white paper was written, there was not enough number crunching power available.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
HA HA HA I LIKE you. Thanks for the wish of Luck. I really think I might need it.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
How could I not wish you luck, you seem to be such a nice decent man. Who knows, perhaps you _will_ discover the secret! lol
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
Exactly, experience carries much more weight than theory.
JavaLessons 3 years ago
Nice going man!
I too did find a way to make it self running, allthough I haven't buildt it yet ;)
It's supposed to have a kinda strong string attached to the lifter (hammer) which will pull on a arm which then will slap the pendulum everytime its rock back and forth.
Hope yours work and mabye mine one day too :)
Nabo00o 3 years ago
That is exactly how I intend to do it.
OOHH WEL;;; They do say GREAT mineds think alike.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
i saw the video in the advert capacitor pendulum... if you involve electromagnetism into the picture... i think you can make it perpetual
popoqwer 3 years ago
sorry i got the dead weight mixed with the pend. weight
popoqwer 3 years ago
so you load the system to the point where the unforseen energy is not yet enough to pickup the 42lb dead weight... then finally you add just enough force to exceed the lift force requirements
let me know what you think about my assement... by the way i think you are very interesting person, and i would love to see you make that machine perpetual... go man!
D.
popoqwer 3 years ago
Your assement is Dead on.
Thanks for the positive comments.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
i think whats happening here is that at the beginning you have to rock the pend. alot at first to get it going... you are adding and storing alot of energy in the system with the full strokes... the structure is very heavy and sturdy so the energy stored as you load it is not apparent ...though their is definately torsion forces felt by the metal main beams and supports...ex the previous time you built the machine, when it was lighter, it rocked when you intially loaded the system...
popoqwer 3 years ago
The math by howsebee almost had me convinced. But the flaw is that the output weight is lifted twice for every time the pendulum is pushed. this is true whether the machine runs a short or a long time. To me, his theory seems to show that output equals two times input. Only the escapement version will reveal the truth, be it good or bad news. Please share it with us either way.
G0HPV 3 years ago
You got it;; Good or bad, it will be videoed and shown on you tube. That is why I built it in the first place. To prove or disprove. Seems as pushing by hand And math, prove nothing. I will make a few more videos of this set up while I am building the escapement for the new designed pendulum.
New pendulum is a round hollow wheel 8 feet in diamiter, 16 inches thick. With trap door to load in lead weights. We have over 1200 pounds of scrap lead we are melting and pouring into 12 pound ingots.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
Cont.: 4) Add the distance d to h2: h2 + d = h3. Now compare h3 with h1. Are they pretty much the same? If yes, the oscillator has an energy surplus. If h3 is noticeably smaller than h1, the oscillator conforms to the conservation of energy. -
It's always possible that my analysis is flawed. But IMHO the experimental evidence to the contrary needs to be stronger than what's been produced so far. --- And sorry for using up so much space ;-)
howsybee 3 years ago
Thanks howsybee; Please, don't EVEN apologize for using a lot of space. At the very least, you are trying to help me understand the mathematics of this machine. And that is exactly why I made this video. Asking for help to understand it.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
Cont.: 3) Again, bring the pendulum into the same starting position ho. Again, measure the height (h2) the pendulum reaches on the first (half) swing, but this time, once the pendulum axis reaches its lowest position (which you have measured in the previous measurement), hold the horizontal bar. DO NOT let the bar return to its original position. Doing all this will probably take two persons. - cont.
howsybee 3 years ago
Cont.: Measure the vertical distance d that the pendulum AXIS (the pivot point) travels while the pendulum is pulling down its end of the horizontal bar. - cont.
howsybee 3 years ago
Cont.: Another possibility would be the measurement I proposed Mr. Milkovic, which he deemed unnecessary:
1) Measure the height ho of the starting point of the pendulum. Keep the horizontal bar fixed. Release the pendulum. Measure the height h1 that the pendulum reaches on its fist (half) swing.
2) Bring the pendulum into the same starting position ho. This time, the horizontal bar is not fixed. -cont.
howsybee 3 years ago
That energy will of course not be fed back into the right part of the device anymore, so you will have to do continuing and stronger pushes to make up for the loss. But you need to be able to measure the coupled out energy to compare it with the intput, not like Milkovic's IMHO pathetic attempt with the flashlights.The most compelling evidence of course would be to use the coupled out energy to drive the pendulum, i.e. achieve a self-running device. As far as I know, that hasn't occurred.-cont
howsybee 3 years ago
Cont.: To what extent the seesaw movement of the bar attenuates the pendulum swing depends largely on the height the weight is lifted, or to paraphrase it, on how much the pedulum trajectory deviates from being circular. The more circular, the smaller the attenuation, and the more liftings. If you really want to compare output with input, you need something to couple out some of the energy, either while the left part of the bar is moving up, or on its way down. - cont.
howsybee 3 years ago
RHEAD: Pushing with double force? No. I've outlined the condition for 'lifting the weight at all', not 'lifting the weight once' or '...twice'. You can't just add the number of liftings and say, "look what I put into it, and what I got out of it". This is an oscillation with an ongoing transfer of energy between the two sides, with some of the potential energy of the lifted weight used to raise the pendulum (increase its potential energy), and some to decelerate the pendulum.- cont.
howsybee 3 years ago
CONT. ... concentrate on the practical application of the two-stage mechanical oscillator.
Good luck.
howsybee 3 years ago
WOW !!! THAT"S What I'm talking about folks. Real help with real math.
Thanks howsybee. That was Great. So; Seeing that the weight is being picked up twice for each push. That means I must be pushing with a force double that in your figures 18.8 Lbs.. Is that right? And seeing that my fingers only move 5 to 6 inches tells me that I must be applying even more force than double. Say, maybe 24 to 25 Lbs for 6 inches.
Thanks howsybee. I know exactly what I need to do next. Build an escapement.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
CONT. 1) Thanks, RHEAD100 for this excellent video.
2) The device conforms to the mechanical laws. Energy ouput reflects input; hence, there is no energy surplus, and I am sorry to say that the people who think otherwise are trapped in a self-sustaining belief system. I have communicated with Mr. Milkovic and suggested a certain simple measurement that would prove an energy surplus if there was one. But he felt that he "will no more focus on such things" and -- to be continued
howsybee 3 years ago
CONT. Now, imagine that the pendulum part of the bar was 8 times as long as the part with the 74 pound weight, and there would be no pendulum, just a rope with a handle hanging down, 8 inches of pulling the handle down with a force of 9.4 pounds would just about lift a 75 pound (9.4 x 8) weight 1 inch!!!
What it boils down to is the following: -- to be continued
howsybee 3 years ago
CONT. Now, considering that the bar already starts to turn when the pendulum is still about 15° away from its bottom position, only about 95.5% of its initial potential energy have been converted into motion. That means that the kinetic energy input from RHEAD100 is about 4.5% of the initial potential energy (approx. 190 J) = 8.4 J. That means that RHEAD100 may accelerate the pendulum across an estimated distance of 8 inches and exert a force of about 9.4 pounds. -- to be continued
howsybee 3 years ago
Let's analyse this video a little closer. If the 46-pound pendulum was released from a 90° angle the centrifugal force could lift a maximum weight 3 times the pendulum's weight = 138 pounds. With the bar ratio of 1.41:1 the pedulum could still lift a weight of 98 pounds. Now, with a max. angle of approx. 77° as shown in the video, the pendulum could lift 76 pounds at the bottom which is roughly the left weight. -- to be continued
howsybee 3 years ago
We have talked before. Do not worry about the math behind this.You are doing the right thing in actually building, I lack the resources to build big,but am continuing with small scale experiments.For a self runner, are you using a purely mechanical feedback? If electrical, look at the Hipp toggle.{google it] Either way, you seem pretty commited , and we are all rootin for you. Some of us can only experiment with toys at this stage, but we may still learn something. Many thanks for sharing,
G0HPV 3 years ago
Encouragement is ALWAYS Welcome.
We aquired another 809 pounds of lead yesterday 8/15/08 Scrap yards are the best source of material for this type of experiment.
Yes we are trying to use a mechanical feed back to keep it running. It takes no more that 3 pushes on the penulum and watch it pick up 74 pounds 6 times for any one to realize this thing is putting out far more than they are putting in. I have let lots of people try it. Every single one is amazed.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
The power bar has a ratio of 1.41 to 1.
Without the 46 p[ound pendulum you need a 104 pound pull at the wheel to lift the 74 pounds.Some balancing Act HUH.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
You say that you are picking up 74 pounds on the left side. Maybe before you connected it to your see-saw device it was 74 pounds. If you put your bathroom scale under the weight on the left side and weigh it while it is connected and not moving, what weight do you get now? Your see-saw has a lot of weight on the right side, too, including the weight of that wheel. It's a balancing act and I would guess there is little actual work being performed. Work = force * distance = ? * 1 inch.
field16 3 years ago
If you put the bathroom scales under the weight on the right without the 46 pound pendulum. It weighs 74 pounds. That is why we swing the pendulum as close to 90 degrees out as posible. When the pendulum is high in the air and stops to change direction. At that very moment. It has no weight and pulls nothing on the weight on the right and it comes down with the full 74 pounds of weight moveing 1 inch.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
If the 74 lb weight returns to original position, net work looks like zero, but if that 74 lbs keeps climbing, as I think it would if on a ratchet-lift, accumulated work done would be quite obvious.
Of course unlimited vertical travel is impossible, but even limited travel would demonstrate very high COP.
markbachelder 2 years ago
how do you transfere the force needed to the pendulum to keep it moving?
maglevity 3 years ago
We have an old 4 Ton Cast Iron Wrecking Ball going rusty in our yard at Red Scar Foundry. plum shaped. We have 28 pounds of N35 Neodymium Magnets, little thin ones, ideal for a short-stroke three-phase alternator.
Red Scar Industrial Coatings Ltd. "Veljko Milkovic" Pendulum will incorporate this pulse-short-stroke-alternator. Folk at home, swing a weight on a string and rubber band, watch it stretch. put soot on the knot, and measure the stretch through a paper tube. Physics costs now't!;-D
WarzSchoolchild 3 years ago
Congratulations! The bigger machine you made the bigger output you will get and more convincing it will be. So keep good work and make the next model the bigger you can and the mechanical energy excess will be proved even better.
You can find theory and math of 2 stage oscillator on Veljko Milkovic'c web-site:
look for "Opinions on invention" page on the left side.
Ulianot 3 years ago
Thank you, Thank you. Encouragement is ALWAYS Welcome. Most people do not understand 74 pounds 1 inch in one second equates to 1.6 horse power. We started construction 3 days ago on one that will put out 16 plus horse power and will be powered by my 8 year old son.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
Way to go Ray! I'm SO into the SIZE of it and the demonstrated strength. That centrifugal / gravity swing has got some real pull! Reminds me of the Perpetual pendulum at Griffith Observatory in LA swinging for years and years. Keep going!!!
itsblockdog 3 years ago
Thanks LiL Brother; Kinda had a feeling you would like it. Weight till you see the next one. Actualy producing more electricity than it takes to run it. that is a 100% can do.
NO thery , pure fact.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
You got it Bro....no doubt I LIKE IT! I can't wait to see this developing. Really keeping me happy. YEAH!!!! Did I tell you I like the noise it makes too....it's got it's own song :)
itsblockdog 3 years ago
Fully understand the song thing. Close your eyes and you can almost hear.
FREE----DOM----FREE----DOM----FREE----DOM
RHEAD100 3 years ago
The compliment is passed up the chain. and the chain goes back furter than Galileo Galilei. "Centripetal Acceleration" is the "Key Word". It is very real. We have here a system where "Gravitational Acceleration" and "Centripetal Acceleration" are both working in harmony. Forces are just the result, acceleration is the cause. A force acting through a distance, is called work.
BTW. Prof. Walter Lewin (YouTube) told his Undergrads to not even attempt the mathematics of a "Large" angle of swing.
WarzSchoolchild 3 years ago
Thanks Alastair;
What I did not tell in the video is that the power transfer bar of the second stage is a 1.41 to 1 ratio.
And that 74 pounds moving 1 inch is aprox. 1.6 horse power. And it takes a 104 pound pull at the pendulum pivot point to lift the 74 pound weight.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
In my next 2 stage oscillator we are building now. The power bar will have a 8 to 1 ratio. Giving us a 4 inch vertical movement at the power end and only ½ inch movement at the pendulum end. With this ratio, and an 800 pound pendulum. We should be producing aprox. 16 horse power out and less than 1.3 horse power in. Coupled with the new designed pendulum. I am hoping for less than ¾ horse power needed in.
RHEAD100 3 years ago
That is as far as my understanding of the math for this machine will take me. The only thing left for me now, is to build it and see what happens.
I want to thank you for your input. Thanks Raymond L. Head
RHEAD100 3 years ago
Can you show me the method how you are applying 1.3 HP to the new pendulum? Nobody want believe me that this can really work.
Many thanks, Hermann
maglevity 3 years ago
Sure thing Hermann. Where you see my user name in blue (RHead100) click on it and go to my home page on you tube. In My favorites you will see a video called "Verge & Foliot Escapement". It is not exactly how I will be doing it. But very close. Then watch the one called "Ball Pendulum". Then the one called "Examples of clocks in action".
RHEAD100 3 years ago
Actually, Hermann; It is nothing more than as very large & heavy Grand Father Clock Pendulum, that has a higher swing, giving it more power than is needed to load the escapement. Most people don't realize, 100 or 10 pound pendulum, Once they are swinging. It takes no more energy for one than the other to maintain the swing.
RHEAD100 3 years ago