Christ, Holmes won this fight easy. But he acted like such an asshole after the 1st fight, like he never received close decisions, that is was like Boxing was against him in the end of his career.
13th round goes narrowly to Spinks. Round 14 goes to Holmes, because while they both landed serious leather only Holmes actually hurt his opponent (you score EFFECTIVE aggression, not just aggression). 135-131 to Holmes after 14 rounds.
Yes, I do agree with you on the EFFECTIVE aggression scoring. But I gave it to Spinks because he threw a little bit more. It all depends what you prefer; a man to land 10 shots and not have his man budge, or the other man to land just ONE shot but have him out on his feet (just an example). However, it was a VERY close round. In fact, I may watch it again, and my opinion might change. But I liked what Spinks did early and late.
@corytclark I always used to score the first fight on a knife-edge for Holmes and the second fight clearly for Holmes. Now I think that the first fight was more clearly for Holmes and the second fight was much, much closer than I had thought. Spinks's problem in both fights was that his good work was concentrated either in particular minutes or particular rounds. I tend to score by the minute minutes, rather than the "most flashy punches" approach that, for example, got Holyfield a D vs. Lewis.
@Myndir Ok superstar,im just trying to help you from making yourself look even more ridiculous.Might seem impossible,when someone ACTUALLY thinks holmes won that 1st fight,but hey,i tried.
@kuriaki71 Ali got beat by the pathetic leon spinks at 36.Leon spinks never beat anyone,other then a washed up ali.Holmes lost a close fight to leon's much MUCH more talented younger brother michael.Ali at 36 wasn't anywhere near as good as holmes was when he was 36.If anything,holmes was one of the few fighters who got better as he got older,and was only a few years removed from being prime.Ali had been past his prime for a decade before spinks beat him.
If you notice, lederman didn't add up his score card correctly. After round 12 he has it 116 to 113. If he had added correctly it should read 116 to 112.
The last 2 rounds took away any right Holmes had to complain about the verdict.
In the 14th, Spinks BATTERED Holmes for 2 minutes, then caught one hard shot. Does Holmes seize his chance? Hell no...he strolls after Spinks like he's fetching a sandwich from the fridge. By the end of the round, once again, Spinks is in charge.
The 15th was the same story...only without the hard shot from Holmes. Spinks did all the work, landed all the punches, and showed he wanted it more.
Im not sure if he touched the canvas? hard to see if his glove touched or not or if his knee touched ?
I had Spinks well ahead in that round until that point and if you count Larrys shots from that one onwards and Spinks replies they are quite even from that point on .
Wow, in the 14th round, Holmes just didn't have the energy or aggressiveness to finish his man. Showing his age.
counterstriving 3 months ago
Cannot understand why Holmes felt robbed. He wasnt dominating the fight at all. Close fight yea, but in that case, you can't cry robbery.
TheBestBoxingGame 6 months ago
Christ, Holmes won this fight easy. But he acted like such an asshole after the 1st fight, like he never received close decisions, that is was like Boxing was against him in the end of his career.
torr5962 8 months ago
@torr5962 ''Christ,Holmes won that fight easy''
...Hilarious
TheGatorfan93 8 months ago
13th round goes narrowly to Spinks. Round 14 goes to Holmes, because while they both landed serious leather only Holmes actually hurt his opponent (you score EFFECTIVE aggression, not just aggression). 135-131 to Holmes after 14 rounds.
Myndir 9 months ago
@Myndir
I gave round 14 to Spinks.
Yes, I do agree with you on the EFFECTIVE aggression scoring. But I gave it to Spinks because he threw a little bit more. It all depends what you prefer; a man to land 10 shots and not have his man budge, or the other man to land just ONE shot but have him out on his feet (just an example). However, it was a VERY close round. In fact, I may watch it again, and my opinion might change. But I liked what Spinks did early and late.
corytclark 7 months ago
@corytclark I always used to score the first fight on a knife-edge for Holmes and the second fight clearly for Holmes. Now I think that the first fight was more clearly for Holmes and the second fight was much, much closer than I had thought. Spinks's problem in both fights was that his good work was concentrated either in particular minutes or particular rounds. I tend to score by the minute minutes, rather than the "most flashy punches" approach that, for example, got Holyfield a D vs. Lewis.
Myndir 7 months ago
@Myndir ''Now i think the first fight was more clearly for holmes''
Hey bro,stop attempting to judge fights,with that comment alone,you lost all credibility.
TheGatorfan93 7 months ago
@TheGatorfan93 Hey bro, watch me care what you think.
Myndir 7 months ago
@Myndir Ok superstar,im just trying to help you from making yourself look even more ridiculous.Might seem impossible,when someone ACTUALLY thinks holmes won that 1st fight,but hey,i tried.
TheGatorfan93 7 months ago
@26marbay Holmes was a much MUCH better fighter at 36 then ali was 36.
TheGatorfan93 9 months ago
@TheGatorfan93 man, ali was sick when he was fighting a 36
kuriaki71 9 months ago
@kuriaki71 Ali got beat by the pathetic leon spinks at 36.Leon spinks never beat anyone,other then a washed up ali.Holmes lost a close fight to leon's much MUCH more talented younger brother michael.Ali at 36 wasn't anywhere near as good as holmes was when he was 36.If anything,holmes was one of the few fighters who got better as he got older,and was only a few years removed from being prime.Ali had been past his prime for a decade before spinks beat him.
TheGatorfan93 9 months ago
Spinks is such an awkward fighter.
capablemachine 11 months ago
4:15-4:27... is Spinks puking?
halleck3 1 year ago
spinks fought like a true warrior
AliRidah619 1 year ago
spinks fought like a true warrior
AliRidah619 1 year ago
spinks fought like a true warrior
AliRidah619 1 year ago
If you notice, lederman didn't add up his score card correctly. After round 12 he has it 116 to 113. If he had added correctly it should read 116 to 112.
holdencaufield200 1 year ago 3
The last 2 rounds took away any right Holmes had to complain about the verdict.
In the 14th, Spinks BATTERED Holmes for 2 minutes, then caught one hard shot. Does Holmes seize his chance? Hell no...he strolls after Spinks like he's fetching a sandwich from the fridge. By the end of the round, once again, Spinks is in charge.
The 15th was the same story...only without the hard shot from Holmes. Spinks did all the work, landed all the punches, and showed he wanted it more.
Spinks won.
garethac81 2 years ago
cuz holmes was tired bro, and spinks jinx run like a bitch ,
holmes was past his prime here he was 37 years of age almost, holmes peak were from 1978-83
mikeiron 2 years ago
0:02 is one of Lederman's worst scorecards and that's saying something!
Myndir 2 years ago
08:06 they kept saying Spinks was hurt by that shot but he just looks accusingly down at the floor as though he slipped on something to me.
Panthera0nca 2 years ago
I thought Holmes won the 14th because he had Spinks hurt. 8-6 Holmes thru 14.
JWalsh2564 2 years ago
@JWalsh2564 Been in agreement so far.
Im not sure if he touched the canvas? hard to see if his glove touched or not or if his knee touched ?
I had Spinks well ahead in that round until that point and if you count Larrys shots from that one onwards and Spinks replies they are quite even from that point on .
Hard call.
Honeysucklebommie 2 years ago
Why did larry holme stop punching the second spinks was hurt?
FendRhodes 2 years ago