Stealth wasnt problem for even 30 years old Russian electronic passive radar systems.Stealth only make problems for litlle African or Arabic countrys with old active radar systems,anyway F-22 and F -117 is old shit now,no money in US for something new now.And Russians never stop make new deadly gizmos:) its tradition:)
US is begging Russia NOT to sell this to Iran as they know that this beast could down the US fighter jets easily. Deployment for this complex beast is just 5 min whereas for the US patriot system takes 2 hrs. By that time enemies would have raped you from head to toe. US has do more to catch up with Russia on SAM technology !!!>
@darpa322 USA pussies need to WIN the war in Iraq first, Then win the WAr is Afghan, The Taliban continue to kill USA pussies at will. After almost 10 years the USA has achieved Nothing in Afghan and has FAILED to beat the Taliban. Before you USA Pussies talk about Russia, Win the wars you are losing first, then talk about Russia...
Russia can Wipeout all of the USA bases in the Mid east within 1 hour.
@darpa322 dream on kid. no fucking knowledge about radars and Anti Aircraft forces but telling shit like stealth bomers can rape the biggest and strongest defended country on earth.
What if nostradamus was right? What if jackowski was right? III world war...we should do everything to not allow it. I hope this world crysis will brig world unity not war like it was in 1913 and 1929...Money, differences in what we belive - these is reasons to kill each others? If III world breake of that will be the last one for US and like nostradamus said in 2012 there will be... Nothing is worth it. I hope this is only my freak black thoughts
But there is something for you to understand. Crisis didn't make its worse hit. It won't do anything to countries, which are protecting themselves, but this means that more trouble will come to third world and they will have to suffer for themselves and for countries, who are to scared to eat their pill and get their deserved punishment.
S 300v was sold Americans in 1994. And first Russian lag in the field of computer technologies in favor Russia played because Americans did not manage to decipher soviet algorithms, and to copy S300, and a money from sales went for development of the newest system Antaeus 2500
Cruise missiles and low-flyers of course is not S-200 targets (complex were designed for long-range, high targets). As for low-flyers - old S-125 were created just for them. But not sure have Iran some of them or not. Then S-125 was in use, USSR has terrible relation with Iran, and even if they have S-125, it needs some modern upgrades to be really effective.
Saddam's S-125 were upgraded by France, but it was many rumors that French guys insert some hidden programs - and give Americans activation codes. So with first bombs falling' all complexes go nuts.
do you know who comes to power in your country?what if a christian fascist gets on power with democratic elections and turn the world into hell,would that good or acceptable?
Iran is NOT the evil buggie man they're making it out to be. On top of that there will be no war with Iran under Obama. They will try to go to Pakistan for sure.
Relax guys. We don't need nuclear state with first-class anti-air just across the Caspian sea. But simply bully Iran also not smart. Nuclear weapon development in modern world is so tough question... Many countries in the world have enough industry base to do nukes and with every day more and more of them. One day nukes will be available for everyone. We must think about that.
Fighting with everyone with bad reputation like Bush administration do impossible even for US and only accelerate process and add new members to the race. Anti-ICBM programs is too costly, not reliable, can be easily penetrated by missiles with boosters and don't offer any help against guy with case-bomb in the Boing. Agreements with such large number of states is too hard and don't gives guarantee.
It seems that strategic stability will establish not only among great powers but also among minor and small states. Anyway new agreements needed even if they don't work properly. International law now thanks to Bush is simply bad joke for everyone, so it will be hard to return some respect to UN. But we must try. And for sure don't invade into weak countries making them terrorist paradise, but help them to be more stable.
Are you kiddin? We don't have S-400 for ourselves! The only 2 brand new divisions guarding Moscow. Complex is still in upgrading process. Don't read alarmist bullsheet.
sorry i meant Iran has the S200 n soon getting the S300 this September i heard what you guys think will happen if or when bush starts building the missile system in Poland with the sole perpose of surrounding Russia wth nukes don't you think Russia has NO choice but to destroy them?
We don't need such hostilities at last now. This Bush missile-game is not posing real danger to us at last now. But building such things makes base for future enlargement of this for sure anti-Russian project. I wonder what Medvedev must do to be taken seriously by Republicans. Overthrow Saakashvilly? Bring Topol-M to Cuba? Make war alliance with China? Why Bush need to test our patience so? Like US don't have enough troubles on Middle East. Stupid virtual PR-games with REAL consequences.
Then Organization of American states is military alliance too. If you consider such organisations as "war alliances" then add OPEC - Russia have observer status there. All "military" in Shanghai organisation is two "Peace mission" exercises. Both mainly Russian. PRC have more exercices with India then Russia. Shanghai organisation is a multy-purpouse regional forum, not a NATO clone.
So sad picture... Where all british manners go??? No oppinion, no arguments, just "shut the fuck up you cock"... It's is a pity Pitty. Grow up and learn some new words. ;)
If USA doesn't think Iran has them and it does, it is going to be a disaster for USA, they gonna lose half their aircraft involved.
This thing's rate of fire, kill percent and targets tracked simultaniuosly is ridiculous. Also, combined with Iranian mountanious terrain in some places, it can become a disaster.
But after all this, let's hope noone attacks noone.
There is some evidence that Iran has already bought and installed 5 - 10 of these excellent AA system near its most important strategic objects. Any aggressor of Iranaian air-space now has to face the combined threat posed by both lethal systems, the Tor-M1 and the S-300. But it is still quite unclear which type of the S-300 Iran did aquire from Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Cyprus, or Armenia who all do have the S-300 in their arsenal - the S-300PMU-1, the PMU-2, the S-300V or even the VM?
I didn't think that Russia should have sold those to Iran (even though I am from Russia), but after tat US agression, I think our government SHOULD sell those.
Regarding patriots and SCUDS. End result is: Patriots were uncapable of defending against SCUDS. Russia systems were at the time, which was demonsrated to Chinese on tests.
And what saved US army from suffering higher casualties was terrible accuracy of those Irtaqi modifications of SCUDS, when they increased the range so much that the missile could not hit teh target.
If we had only two of this s-300v systems in our air defence during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia,looking at the size of territory of serbia and montenegro,we will be able to stand against the allied air force.Only two of this with capacity of 20 or 30 rockts,th efficient of success will be bigger in a shorter time,then Nato will wonder,does the air strikes have a meanning in that campain.
FelixA9, from the fact that system has not intercepted anything in combat does not mean it can not. This system has not BEEN to combat yet, and it is good for americans that they did not fly agaisnt this system, and they probably never will.
Funny, Mathias Rust didn't have any problem getting his Cessna past the vaunted Moscow defenses and landing in Red Square LOL!!! BTW the US has no SAM sites, I wonder why we don't see Russian military aircraft flying over. Must be because of our superior non-existent SAM systems (massive eye roll)
To add to last note. it also says that the air defence was strictly forbidden from acting aggressively to obviously civilian aircraft after the attack on 007, 3 and half years before.Man wish people read more before posting
Yeah, they should. The Patriot hit numerous SCUDS in Desert Storm- and the warheads would keep on coming, or the SCUD would break up coming in and they hit a piece. Not a simple "Patriots missed all SCUDS" as the fanboys like to tell themselves.
OMg, for how many times, stealth reduces RCS, it CAN lock on stealth, YES is the answer, new radar detects at 600 km, which means stealth aircraft will detect at 200-100 km, and it is still too far.
I think I've told you this before but the USA actually owns an s-300v system, so they obviously wouldn't build an aircraft as expensive as the raptor if it could be seen by a decent SAM system. RCS is part of it, but it's also paint, materials, and the internal bay (no hardpoints). Stealth isn't 100% foolproof (like in the case of the serbian f-117), but it can usually avoid conventional detection from systems like the s-300
it's better for targeting aircraft with low RCS, doesn't mean it's actually been tested. Russia tends to make crazy stupid claims so I doubt the s-400 is all it's hyped up to be (by Russia I mean)
@ballsackzz Trust me if this thing locks you. You better eject from aircraft. The S-300 is named One Lock One Hit. S-400 is only better no one know what is capable of, we know only what they say to us, but what really is supposed and can do that probably no one knows. And S-125 never meant to shot down F-117 but it did.
@steamingpoopfart yes...thats because you are from the US. IN no war any US-Aircraft was shot down. USA had forbidden that. So no other country will.Because US brings peace. One question: US looses 3800 or 4000 aircrafts in Vietnam? Why the afghanistan war isn`t over? Why US could do anything only with their mouths???
@steamingpoopfart Yeah right...and also nuclear submarines with ICBMs, lurking in US coastal waters - BUT the heroic coast guard prevented them from launching in the same way the US air force prevented the S-300... HAHAHAHAHAHA
OMG! Fact: Iraq was a broken country with a weak military. After 10 years of embargo they had nothing!
@steamingpoopfart Ты дебил! У Ирака не было ни одной С300. Эти ракеты не возможно уничтожить. Если бы у Ирака были хоть 5 таких ракет, планы США рухнули бы в то же момент.
as of yet there is no proven weapons system that can reliably be called a "stealth killer" regardless of what russian sources say, they are notoriously unreliable, and hyped up claims.
well, it depends on Radar, and VEGA radar of rrussian systems is detecting NOT based on RCS, but based on electricity inside aircraft, so, different principles, it can actually detect any stealth aircraft 400 km way, unless Raptor will fly with no equipment turned on, lol, I'd like to see that.
VEGA radar? never heard of it. If it's so great, why does basically every SAM (current ones too) use standard radar? The articles I've read about the s-300 never mentioned a special radar, they said it used standard types.
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nothing matches the u.s during the kosova war the serbs did have some of the best russian anti air defense but they got destroyed within 24 hours they had no air defense. Don't mess with the U.S
redfirekla, well it's not true. Serbs have primarily ancient S-125 (one of which shot F-117 by the way), while Russia is currently equipped with quite modern S-300. New S-400 is planned for initial deployment this summer.
@vexed123 haha, we had s-125 NEVA as the one of best ant ant aircraft system. And that is from early sixty years. And he still manage to shot down at least one F-117. Everything we could do is let the Americans hit the decoys ( radar, thank). And we did not lost single radar system.
@stalingradComando well what you have to remember is that the designs of the F-117A are very out of date it had flat panels so all the SA-3 needed to do is wait for a F-117A to turn a bit then you have a radar cross section of a very large bomber. From the time of the F-117A the US computing power has grown allot. Now the US has continues curves on the stealth and better materials, so can they shoot a US stealth plane in service like the F/A-22 or F/A-35, yes but at such a range that it would
@topoljM the f117 is not the best stealth bomber that aircraft has stealth technology from the 70's. The reason why it got shot down was the navigation system had failed and the pilot was flying to low and therefore ended up being shot down by being spotted with lucky shots..
The Serbians got lucky the F-117's bombing bay door stuck open and the F-117 is not stealth when the bay is open !!! besides that was one hell of a lucky shot
Maybe they were brilliant in the50s SA2, in the 60s sa5/sa6, the 70s, Sa12,sa7. But today? longrangeprecision? unmanned strikes ? Stealth? Harmwildweasel? Its all shit blasted in the FIRST wave on any attack, right?
I seriously doubt the russian strategic plan of SAM based Airdefense. Theyre just easy targets in the first wave. Longrange wiht JDAM, Tomahawk, Midrange wiht HARM (and nothing keeps em from making a new HARM for 300Miles), or clsoerange wiht stealth. Theyre traceable, Sat and Jstars findable, and theyre a GPS koordinate afterall thats updated realtime.
I dont really think its worth deciding which system is better. Both do their job perfectly. Russian systems are better suited for standing long time in the desert or in a jungle.
Ye back in in 1998 I think Cyprus bought them....they say they were sent to Greece, but im pritty sure they were sent to Cyprus in Secret. I also think that Greece bought the S300 aswell....Its funny every nation sourounding Turkey has the S300's lol. Greece, Cyprus, Armania, Syria, Iran. Haha their fucked lol.
nick,Cyprus did buy them but for political reasons they werent allowed to deploy them so they were delivered to Greece...but think Cyprus bought S-300PMU version
@crazydrummer03
Yeah, and the ZSU and the SA-3 isnt the best Russia has now anyway.
Try S-400 and Pantsir-S1
powmful 4 months ago
Stealth wasnt problem for even 30 years old Russian electronic passive radar systems.Stealth only make problems for litlle African or Arabic countrys with old active radar systems,anyway F-22 and F -117 is old shit now,no money in US for something new now.And Russians never stop make new deadly gizmos:) its tradition:)
SlavaSvarogu 7 months ago 3
@SlavaSvarogu Yes your totaly right. Stealth tec is just waste of money. 2x F117 was shot down with old Kub systems.
Talshet 3 months ago
US is begging Russia NOT to sell this to Iran as they know that this beast could down the US fighter jets easily. Deployment for this complex beast is just 5 min whereas for the US patriot system takes 2 hrs. By that time enemies would have raped you from head to toe. US has do more to catch up with Russia on SAM technology !!!>
worse01 10 months ago
You americans are rather nicely brainwashed. US must be a pretty totalitarian country.
oddysseuss 1 year ago 2
best in the planet? lol a stealth bomber can take you russians out any time anywhere
darpa322 1 year ago
@darpa322 USA pussies need to WIN the war in Iraq first, Then win the WAr is Afghan, The Taliban continue to kill USA pussies at will. After almost 10 years the USA has achieved Nothing in Afghan and has FAILED to beat the Taliban. Before you USA Pussies talk about Russia, Win the wars you are losing first, then talk about Russia...
Russia can Wipeout all of the USA bases in the Mid east within 1 hour.
juba1944 1 year ago 2
@juba1944 lol riiigghhhhtttt
darpa322 1 year ago
@darpa322 dream on kid. no fucking knowledge about radars and Anti Aircraft forces but telling shit like stealth bomers can rape the biggest and strongest defended country on earth.
Talshet 3 months ago
russian tech is so cool. Kudos to Soviet scientists :)
culturalmut 1 year ago 2
Why can't you people stop using that song? SO SO GAY.
Реально бля, пора-бы сменить песенку.
Abanamat85 1 year ago
CCCP IS YOUR NAGHT MERY YANKYS :)
uzayani 2 years ago
THIS IS WEAPON NOT GIRL 95 PREDATOR
ADNANMUJIC1 2 years ago
very sexy
95predator 2 years ago
What if nostradamus was right? What if jackowski was right? III world war...we should do everything to not allow it. I hope this world crysis will brig world unity not war like it was in 1913 and 1929...Money, differences in what we belive - these is reasons to kill each others? If III world breake of that will be the last one for US and like nostradamus said in 2012 there will be... Nothing is worth it. I hope this is only my freak black thoughts
adeus84 2 years ago
But there is something for you to understand. Crisis didn't make its worse hit. It won't do anything to countries, which are protecting themselves, but this means that more trouble will come to third world and they will have to suffer for themselves and for countries, who are to scared to eat their pill and get their deserved punishment.
AlexeyFromRussia 2 years ago
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most likely copy of western tech
AerialSerialKiller 2 years ago
the other way around actually, USA purchased S-300V and used it to upgrade Patriot missile.
9K58 2 years ago 2
Riiiiiight! You fucking commy's kill me!
sakoshooter48 2 years ago
West suck
brotherfromlatvia 2 years ago
du affe,hast ja keine annung
gurugerus 2 years ago
habe ich DOCH,obezyana!
AerialSerialKiller 2 years ago
sexy !!!
misakisheraz 2 years ago 12
S-400 is waaaaaay better!
Yamalishe 2 years ago 8
Depends in what ways. S300V is sure more mobile and more survivable. Altought detection and tracking parameters favor S300pmu2 andS400.
S300V 2 years ago
S 300v was sold Americans in 1994. And first Russian lag in the field of computer technologies in favor Russia played because Americans did not manage to decipher soviet algorithms, and to copy S300, and a money from sales went for development of the newest system Antaeus 2500
555Bober555 2 years ago
someone want to chat
i liked this video :) EI
DANSKERentk 3 years ago
why they cant have nuc weapon and us can? ups, sorry, i forgot, that is... how do you call your system where everybody is equal?
crniSSSS 3 years ago
Iran's S-200 is useless against cruise missiles and low flying bombers.
S-300 will hopefully never be in their hands.
I totally agree that middle eastern countries must NOT have nuclear weapons, who knows who will come to power there next.
9K58 3 years ago
Cruise missiles and low-flyers of course is not S-200 targets (complex were designed for long-range, high targets). As for low-flyers - old S-125 were created just for them. But not sure have Iran some of them or not. Then S-125 was in use, USSR has terrible relation with Iran, and even if they have S-125, it needs some modern upgrades to be really effective.
TonyHanin 3 years ago
Saddam's S-125 were upgraded by France, but it was many rumors that French guys insert some hidden programs - and give Americans activation codes. So with first bombs falling' all complexes go nuts.
TonyHanin 3 years ago
Not shure about this story thow.
TonyHanin 3 years ago
JUST FUCK OFFFFF
Pitty098 2 years ago
do you know who comes to power in your country?what if a christian fascist gets on power with democratic elections and turn the world into hell,would that good or acceptable?
CadVentor 3 years ago
Iran is NOT the evil buggie man they're making it out to be. On top of that there will be no war with Iran under Obama. They will try to go to Pakistan for sure.
gosciu555 2 years ago
Cool!!! Iran hasn't that.
CarMan821981 3 years ago
NO, Iran does NOT have these, it is Iran's wet dream though.
Neither will Syria have Iskander.
Thanks god russian leadership is rational and hopefully won't sell those things to middle eastern countries.
9K58 3 years ago
Relax guys. We don't need nuclear state with first-class anti-air just across the Caspian sea. But simply bully Iran also not smart. Nuclear weapon development in modern world is so tough question... Many countries in the world have enough industry base to do nukes and with every day more and more of them. One day nukes will be available for everyone. We must think about that.
TonyHanin 3 years ago
Fighting with everyone with bad reputation like Bush administration do impossible even for US and only accelerate process and add new members to the race. Anti-ICBM programs is too costly, not reliable, can be easily penetrated by missiles with boosters and don't offer any help against guy with case-bomb in the Boing. Agreements with such large number of states is too hard and don't gives guarantee.
TonyHanin 3 years ago
It seems that strategic stability will establish not only among great powers but also among minor and small states. Anyway new agreements needed even if they don't work properly. International law now thanks to Bush is simply bad joke for everyone, so it will be hard to return some respect to UN. But we must try. And for sure don't invade into weak countries making them terrorist paradise, but help them to be more stable.
TonyHanin 3 years ago
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njer 3 years ago
does iran have this system ?
matchbox555 3 years ago
yes n they are getting the S400s shortly
polygamous1 3 years ago
Are you kiddin? We don't have S-400 for ourselves! The only 2 brand new divisions guarding Moscow. Complex is still in upgrading process. Don't read alarmist bullsheet.
TonyHanin 3 years ago
sorry i meant Iran has the S200 n soon getting the S300 this September i heard what you guys think will happen if or when bush starts building the missile system in Poland with the sole perpose of surrounding Russia wth nukes don't you think Russia has NO choice but to destroy them?
polygamous1 3 years ago
We don't need such hostilities at last now. This Bush missile-game is not posing real danger to us at last now. But building such things makes base for future enlargement of this for sure anti-Russian project. I wonder what Medvedev must do to be taken seriously by Republicans. Overthrow Saakashvilly? Bring Topol-M to Cuba? Make war alliance with China? Why Bush need to test our patience so? Like US don't have enough troubles on Middle East. Stupid virtual PR-games with REAL consequences.
TonyHanin 3 years ago 3
Strange method to solve problems by making new and forgetting old. Maybe Bush creating problems for future Obama presidency?
TonyHanin 3 years ago
They already have a war alliance with China its called The Shanghai cooperation organization.
gosciu555 2 years ago
Then Organization of American states is military alliance too. If you consider such organisations as "war alliances" then add OPEC - Russia have observer status there. All "military" in Shanghai organisation is two "Peace mission" exercises. Both mainly Russian. PRC have more exercices with India then Russia. Shanghai organisation is a multy-purpouse regional forum, not a NATO clone.
TonyHanin 2 years ago
just shut the fuck up you cock.... no one gives a shit you fucking wanker
Pitty098 2 years ago
So sad picture... Where all british manners go??? No oppinion, no arguments, just "shut the fuck up you cock"... It's is a pity Pitty. Grow up and learn some new words. ;)
TonyHanin 2 years ago 4
If USA doesn't think Iran has them and it does, it is going to be a disaster for USA, they gonna lose half their aircraft involved.
This thing's rate of fire, kill percent and targets tracked simultaniuosly is ridiculous. Also, combined with Iranian mountanious terrain in some places, it can become a disaster.
But after all this, let's hope noone attacks noone.
9K58 3 years ago
There is some evidence that Iran has already bought and installed 5 - 10 of these excellent AA system near its most important strategic objects. Any aggressor of Iranaian air-space now has to face the combined threat posed by both lethal systems, the Tor-M1 and the S-300. But it is still quite unclear which type of the S-300 Iran did aquire from Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Cyprus, or Armenia who all do have the S-300 in their arsenal - the S-300PMU-1, the PMU-2, the S-300V or even the VM?
aquariusHS 4 years ago
The Israeli ECM will cause your radar to melt, and our F-15's will fly above like pissed off hornets.
My2004STi 3 years ago
I didn't think that Russia should have sold those to Iran (even though I am from Russia), but after tat US agression, I think our government SHOULD sell those.
PashaGolikov 4 years ago 2
Iran has signed a deal with Russia on the 25th December 2007 to buy the system.
badboypass 4 years ago 2
just a precision. USA have a S-300P with is the first model (1978)
at last, comparing and saying what can defeat this or not is a bit stupid.
these systems are just a part of a major defense composed of multiple "layers"
for ex: S-300 with different type and range missiles (9M96E1...48N6E2) then BUK systems...TOR M1... Tunguska etc
leviathanmk3 4 years ago
Regarding patriots and SCUDS. End result is: Patriots were uncapable of defending against SCUDS. Russia systems were at the time, which was demonsrated to Chinese on tests.
And what saved US army from suffering higher casualties was terrible accuracy of those Irtaqi modifications of SCUDS, when they increased the range so much that the missile could not hit teh target.
PashaGolikov 4 years ago
If we had only two of this s-300v systems in our air defence during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia,looking at the size of territory of serbia and montenegro,we will be able to stand against the allied air force.Only two of this with capacity of 20 or 30 rockts,th efficient of success will be bigger in a shorter time,then Nato will wonder,does the air strikes have a meanning in that campain.
autokomandos 4 years ago
FelixA9, from the fact that system has not intercepted anything in combat does not mean it can not. This system has not BEEN to combat yet, and it is good for americans that they did not fly agaisnt this system, and they probably never will.
PashaGolikov 4 years ago
how many missiles has any flavor of S-300 be it PMU, PMU2, -400, -300V etc. intercepted in combat. Oh yeah, NONE!
FelixA9 4 years ago
LOL, and what did Patriot intercept? In combaT? LOL, it did NOT intercept SCUD.
PashaGolikov 4 years ago
Maybe someone should fly over russian airspace and find out.What no one have tried yet? How odd
docsbe 4 years ago
Funny, Mathias Rust didn't have any problem getting his Cessna past the vaunted Moscow defenses and landing in Red Square LOL!!! BTW the US has no SAM sites, I wonder why we don't see Russian military aircraft flying over. Must be because of our superior non-existent SAM systems (massive eye roll)
FelixA9 4 years ago
Now if you really bothered to check out what happened you will not post that LOL. check Mathias Rust at wikipedia for facts.
USSR was still under heat for flight 007 and saw him as no danger.they tracked him, interceptors oberved him and let him land
docsbe 4 years ago 2
To add to last note. it also says that the air defence was strictly forbidden from acting aggressively to obviously civilian aircraft after the attack on 007, 3 and half years before.Man wish people read more before posting
docsbe 4 years ago
Yeah, they should. The Patriot hit numerous SCUDS in Desert Storm- and the warheads would keep on coming, or the SCUD would break up coming in and they hit a piece. Not a simple "Patriots missed all SCUDS" as the fanboys like to tell themselves.
FelixA9 4 years ago
LOL, They do see russian aircraft flying actually, check the news.
PashaGolikov 4 years ago
OMg, for how many times, stealth reduces RCS, it CAN lock on stealth, YES is the answer, new radar detects at 600 km, which means stealth aircraft will detect at 200-100 km, and it is still too far.
PashaGolikov 4 years ago
u know, the Russians have made improvements on the S300 and made the next generation S400 !!!
SnowAlpineBunny 4 years ago
I think I've told you this before but the USA actually owns an s-300v system, so they obviously wouldn't build an aircraft as expensive as the raptor if it could be seen by a decent SAM system. RCS is part of it, but it's also paint, materials, and the internal bay (no hardpoints). Stealth isn't 100% foolproof (like in the case of the serbian f-117), but it can usually avoid conventional detection from systems like the s-300
ballsackzz 4 years ago
no what am i thinking about I don't think I've argued with you about it before but the point remains: the s-300 is nice, but it's no stealth-killer
ballsackzz 4 years ago
yes its not stealth killer, the S-400 is!!!
vexed123 4 years ago 2
it's better for targeting aircraft with low RCS, doesn't mean it's actually been tested. Russia tends to make crazy stupid claims so I doubt the s-400 is all it's hyped up to be (by Russia I mean)
ballsackzz 4 years ago
man u can expect anything from russia, they r the best concerning missiles and how to deal with them!!!
vexed123 4 years ago 3
LOL, it is USA which makes crazy sxtatements, like Patriot being able to intercept SCUd, which id did NOT.
PashaGolikov 4 years ago
It didn't the first gulf war, but the second Iraq War it certainly did.
kiailol 4 years ago
and how many Scuds exactly were launched? :D haha!
Also, which war are you reffering to, there is great confusion, give me dates please, 1991 one or 2003 one?
PashaGolikov 4 years ago
11 missiles were intercepted successfully during the second gulf war (2003). you can find that information even on wikipedia
kiailol 4 years ago
11, and how many were launched?
PashaGolikov 4 years ago
@ballsackzz Trust me if this thing locks you. You better eject from aircraft. The S-300 is named One Lock One Hit. S-400 is only better no one know what is capable of, we know only what they say to us, but what really is supposed and can do that probably no one knows. And S-125 never meant to shot down F-117 but it did.
tramvaj12 1 year ago
iraq had over 60 s300s and they failed to shoot down 1 aircraft the s400 is a s300 with greater range
steamingpoopfart 1 year ago
@steamingpoopfart I do not think that iraq have anything like s-300
tramvaj12 1 year ago
@steamingpoopfart yes...thats because you are from the US. IN no war any US-Aircraft was shot down. USA had forbidden that. So no other country will.Because US brings peace. One question: US looses 3800 or 4000 aircrafts in Vietnam? Why the afghanistan war isn`t over? Why US could do anything only with their mouths???
kataklysm696 1 year ago
@steamingpoopfart Yeah right...and also nuclear submarines with ICBMs, lurking in US coastal waters - BUT the heroic coast guard prevented them from launching in the same way the US air force prevented the S-300... HAHAHAHAHAHA
OMG! Fact: Iraq was a broken country with a weak military. After 10 years of embargo they had nothing!
oddysseuss 1 year ago
@steamingpoopfart Ты дебил! У Ирака не было ни одной С300. Эти ракеты не возможно уничтожить. Если бы у Ирака были хоть 5 таких ракет, планы США рухнули бы в то же момент.
Pravoverniy 1 year ago
@vexed123
as of yet there is no proven weapons system that can reliably be called a "stealth killer" regardless of what russian sources say, they are notoriously unreliable, and hyped up claims.
MrWillythewhale69 1 year ago
well, it depends on Radar, and VEGA radar of rrussian systems is detecting NOT based on RCS, but based on electricity inside aircraft, so, different principles, it can actually detect any stealth aircraft 400 km way, unless Raptor will fly with no equipment turned on, lol, I'd like to see that.
PashaGolikov 4 years ago
VEGA radar? never heard of it. If it's so great, why does basically every SAM (current ones too) use standard radar? The articles I've read about the s-300 never mentioned a special radar, they said it used standard types.
ballsackzz 4 years ago
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nothing matches the u.s during the kosova war the serbs did have some of the best russian anti air defense but they got destroyed within 24 hours they had no air defense. Don't mess with the U.S
redfirekla 4 years ago
redfirekla, well it's not true. Serbs have primarily ancient S-125 (one of which shot F-117 by the way), while Russia is currently equipped with quite modern S-300. New S-400 is planned for initial deployment this summer.
Astra34 4 years ago
LOL, complete moron, you're so ignorant, I am not gonna respond.
PashaGolikov 4 years ago
so u mean by "some of the best russian anti air defense" the Shilka and SA-3??? are you that stupid???
vexed123 4 years ago 22
@vexed123 haha, we had s-125 NEVA as the one of best ant ant aircraft system. And that is from early sixty years. And he still manage to shot down at least one F-117. Everything we could do is let the Americans hit the decoys ( radar, thank). And we did not lost single radar system.
tramvaj12 1 year ago
@vexed123 well if those "best" can down a stealth fighter... I loled, I lol... ;-)
akinkhoo 7 months ago
@redfirekla
Are you retarded or something?
1st: US FAILED to degrade the Serbian military strength during the campaign in Kosovo
2nd: Serbia did not have the latest Anti-air eqquipment. The best missile Serbia had was the SA-3 which is at least 40
3rd: Did I mention that the serbians shooting down an US stealth aircraft (F117) and heavily damaged another one?
stalingradComando 1 year ago
@stalingradComando well what you have to remember is that the designs of the F-117A are very out of date it had flat panels so all the SA-3 needed to do is wait for a F-117A to turn a bit then you have a radar cross section of a very large bomber. From the time of the F-117A the US computing power has grown allot. Now the US has continues curves on the stealth and better materials, so can they shoot a US stealth plane in service like the F/A-22 or F/A-35, yes but at such a range that it would
TheMilitaryTactics 1 year ago
@stalingradComando landing on top of it.
TheMilitaryTactics 1 year ago
@redfirekla You must be stupid.
2129261184 1 year ago 2
@redfirekla dude... stop believing everything you see on TV or read in the newspaper... filter your sources of information !
Cnupoc 1 year ago
@redfirekla and with 30 year old system we destroyed your best stealth bomber, F117A :)
topoljM 10 months ago 2
@topoljM the f117 is not the best stealth bomber that aircraft has stealth technology from the 70's. The reason why it got shot down was the navigation system had failed and the pilot was flying to low and therefore ended up being shot down by being spotted with lucky shots..
redfirekla 10 months ago
@redfirekla 16km height isn't low.
Talshet 3 months ago
You Greeks are not our level we take Athenes in 2 days if we want you know that
eaxu 5 years ago
The new S400 is better...
SnowAlpineBunny 5 years ago
The Serbians got lucky the F-117's bombing bay door stuck open and the F-117 is not stealth when the bay is open !!! besides that was one hell of a lucky shot
SnowAlpineBunny 5 years ago
sure, lol, rather US got lucky Serbs didn't have S-300.
PashaGolikov 4 years ago
Can it shoot down stealths? that is what I need to know.
YODA801 5 years ago
Maybe they were brilliant in the50s SA2, in the 60s sa5/sa6, the 70s, Sa12,sa7. But today? longrangeprecision? unmanned strikes ? Stealth? Harmwildweasel? Its all shit blasted in the FIRST wave on any attack, right?
Santoslhelpa 5 years ago
I seriously doubt the russian strategic plan of SAM based Airdefense. Theyre just easy targets in the first wave. Longrange wiht JDAM, Tomahawk, Midrange wiht HARM (and nothing keeps em from making a new HARM for 300Miles), or clsoerange wiht stealth. Theyre traceable, Sat and Jstars findable, and theyre a GPS koordinate afterall thats updated realtime.
Santoslhelpa 5 years ago
I dont really think its worth deciding which system is better. Both do their job perfectly. Russian systems are better suited for standing long time in the desert or in a jungle.
B777LR 5 years ago
turkey also will buy air defence missiles, patriot or S300. i dont know which one is better but S300s look like extreme.
irfank58 5 years ago
S300 is better and cheaper....
vexed123 5 years ago
Ye back in in 1998 I think Cyprus bought them....they say they were sent to Greece, but im pritty sure they were sent to Cyprus in Secret. I also think that Greece bought the S300 aswell....Its funny every nation sourounding Turkey has the S300's lol. Greece, Cyprus, Armania, Syria, Iran. Haha their fucked lol.
GreekPontian 5 years ago
nick,Cyprus did buy them but for political reasons they werent allowed to deploy them so they were delivered to Greece...but think Cyprus bought S-300PMU version
Dalbert342 5 years ago
these are very effective south cyprus wanted to buy them.turkey said it is casus is known.and they afraid to fight against turkey
nickledon46 5 years ago