we can be humane and respectful to animals that is of course a good thing; every effort should be made to avoid cruelty, but peta goes to far; they really do not even approve of pets, seeing eye dogs, farming of animals even a in responsible manner and essential research that ultimately saves live (including peta's diabetic president who would not last long without insulin that would never been discovered without animal research).
I'd have a LOT more respect for PETA if they didn't kill pets, sabotage the ASPCA and the Humane Society and want to take seeing-eye dogs away from blind people. As for carnivorous activity, I'm a Wiccan---the real thing, not the New Age imitation---so it's against my religion to be vegetarian.
NOT 100% PRO PETA! YET PETA DOES TONS OF THINGS! ASK PAUL MCCARTNEY!! LOOK UP FAMOUS VEGANS ON GOOGLE!! THE FAMOUS EVEN KNOW THAT VEGETARIANS & VEGANS ARE A BETTER LIFE STYLE. DO YOU HOMEWORK PEOPLE. MANY CARE TO KNOW THE TRUTH AND MANY DO NOT. THE FOOLS WILL HAVE POOR HEALTH AND SUFFER THEIR DENIAL. WATCH....FORKS OVER KNIFES. GLAD I DON'T EAT OR WEAR ANIMALS. NO NEED. I'M TOO EDUCATED AND HAVE A HIGHER CONSCIENCE. THOSES THAT ARE SELFISH WILL NOT BE SO KIND. KARMA!
@GOLDENFLYWARRIOR Will you refuse medicines and medical care developed by animal testing ? Unless you wear 100% organic cotton and hemp shoes even your clothes probably had something to do with an animal at one time or another.
That's really awful man... but if you think about it, and this is no excuse, all of those animals would be dead if PETA didn't take those animals in. I only wished they could create some kind of animal center where they hire people to take care of the animals... but PETA isn't a charity, they are profit organization that without animals suffering, no money would be made. They've become more of an animal welfare movement than a true animal rights movement...
Very well put, Bill; you should run for president!....and on a side note, PISS on all you animal haters! I`d love to hunt you down & shoot YOU; then let`s hear you call it "sporting", or "good family fun"!
@streetmentalist It's not about rights, it's about nature and the food chain. Does a lion think it has superior rights when it kills an antelope? Does a shark think about rights when it eats a seal. We have always used animals for clothing, food, and shelter. We can still respect the animals the way Native American and Inuit culture has. But get over yourselves. I wish all you PETA people were as concerned about AIDS and starvation among the children of the world than you are about chickens.
@Edgehead10075 Scientist is not a synonym for intelligent. A scientist is someone who conducts experiments and publishes results. Darwin however happens to be a scientist, so here's what he had to say.
"There is no fundamental difference between man and the higher animals in their mental faculties... The lower animals, like man, manifestly feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery."
@Edgehead10075 lol, Inferior? Who said anything about better or worse? Lots of people are inferior to other people as well, does that make it right for you to exploit them? You're knee-jerk statement indicates a visceral tendency towards species-ism (Today's slavery/racism/sexism). While no one can refute that animals don't possess the cognitive abilities that humans have, most enlightened people today and even 300 hundred years ago recognized the fundamental correlations between all life.
Look, I like animals, but Bill Maher is a fucking humorless douchebag. It's exactly like what George Carlin was talking about when he said that feminists wanted to call that thing in the street a "Person Hole Cover".
Fuck PETA, find an animals rights group that isn't hypocritical, doesn't fund terrorists, doesn't exploit women, and cares enough about its fellow humans to put us before a chicken.
Why are we more important? For one thing, we are the most advanced and one of the most social species on the planet. We inherently rank other species on this scale. We put dolphins and elephants before mosquitoes and goldfish. I'm sure you'd struggle more with shooting a dolphin than you would swatting a fly.
Secondly, for all our flaws, we CREATE. We make music, temples, paintings - we write books that record history
Given that we have this connection to our past due to our creations (and our ability to put things on a timeline) we are able to bring something to this world that our fellow animals cannot. We are, in some sense, the keepers of the past.
I love animals, but how do I know HUMANS rank their own species above all others? If you saw a child drowning in a pool, and a dog drowning next to him, and you could only carry one out, who would you pick?
@lukecarb And, not to bore you to death with too many replies, but we are also one of the few animals that is so compassionate that we actually care about all of the other animals on the planet, even ones that would eat us given the chance.
I'm a vegetarian, as is the rest of my family. While I adore animals, I will always respect and cherish our amazing species. Too many animal rights activists focus on the harm that humans do rather than the good.
@kaalec Animals are alive and have the ability to feel pain. Stating they don't deserve rights because they're not human is as absurd as stating African individuals don't deserve rights because they're not white, or women don't deserve equal rights because they're not as strong as men are. Whether human beings are the epitome of sentient beings or not isn't relevant. If I'm smarter/stronger than you are does that mean you shouldn't get the same rights as me? Wake up fool.
Animals are inferior beings. Period. It's an issue where both science and religion agree.
Maher is always praising scientists. Well, scientists seem to have no problem with using animals for research. They're a lot smarter than Bill Maher and the PETA whackjobs, so I'll have to go with them.
sorry, people are omnivores. we eat meat and plants and have done so since the dawn of our species. our phusical make-up our teeth alone shows this. we have large flat teeth like cows to grind up plants. we have sharp pointed teeth that are used to tear into meat like wolves. bears are also omnivores as are humans closest realitive species, apes. there are nutriets in meat that can't be found anywhere else. only america can have anarexia and vegans. ethiopia doesn't have these "deseases".
@Kaalec If we're not supposed to eat babies, why are they made out of meat? There's so many of them in the world anyway! If we don't start killing and eating them there will eventually be too many of them and they'll all die out!
@Kaalec I have children and I have pets. I don not confuse one with the other. Animals are NOT human, nor should they be afforded the rights of humans.
I agree with you people to a point. Sure, destroying research labs isn't the best way to get a point across, but in this country of fat, brainwashed people, how else are they going to get a message sent to eerybody? The government won't help... They are too busy pocketing money they get under the table from the big coorperations starting this mess. It doesn't justify what they do, but they don't have a lot of options right now...
He's on the board for PETA. Animal activists funding terrorism? How so? I do understand certain aspects of what they do teeter on the brink of environmental terrorism, but I'm not so sure that's what you mean.
Wouldn't really call them stupid either, but that is merely your opinion which you have a right to. I support PETA and am not a malicious, violent person. I believe in non-violence of all kinds and follow a vegan diet but never go so far as to force others into it.
I'll give them this one: PETA try. I get that lobbying for more rights for animals to save them from unnecessary suffering and exploitation is part of their agenda and a good one too, but other aspects are not unlike radical left wing policies that draw a fine line between animal activism and fascism. That is so counterproductive. Educating the masses needn't be to make them feel like shit. It should be based on compassion and respect.
I am all up for protecting animals, treating them humanely, giving them respect, and appreciating the beauty and diversity they have given this planet. I love my dog, he is my companion and best friend, who has follow me through many mountains, through dozens of miles, and is never too far from me when we hike (he hikes off-leash).
But I no doubt know, that he appreciates a good tasty piece of chicken, or meat, or ribs, or rabbit. Just like i do. After all, it's our natural instinct. :]
agree with Maher on alot of other topics, but can't on this one. Modern PETA have turned so extemist in their views its scary. Stopping cruelty to animals is fair enough, but to accuse pet owners as morally corrupt people, and to justify their destroying of research labs to save animals by comparing themselves to the people who saved prisoners during the holocaust is so deluded its beyond belief
Animal activism funding terrorism? How so? I know they kind of walk along the line of environmental terrorism, but I'm not so sure that's what you mean.
Wouldn't really call them stupid either, although you do have a right to an opinion. I support them and I am a kind, non-violent, respectable human being who follows a vegan diet but never goes so far as to discriminate against anyone who doesnt (that is, unless they take delight in the suffering of such animals).
They gave 70 000 dollars of donated money to a high ranking member of the ALF, who not only set fire to several labs, but also openly encouraged others to do so as well.
"Wouldn't really call them stupid either"
They are. For example, in Ontario,they helped stop the spring bear hunt, claiming too many cubs were orphaned. It was around 40.Now that we have an over population of bears, over 10000 cubs die from disease and other bears
They gave 70 000 dollars of donated money to a high ranking member of the ALF, who not only set fire to several labs, but also openly encouraged others to do so as well.
"Wouldn't really call them stupid either"
They are. For example, in Ontario,they helped stop the spring bear hunt, claiming too many cubs were orphaned. It was around 40.Now that we have an over population of bears, over 10000 cubs die from disease and other bears
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As much as I like Maher, he's dead wrong on this one. Whatever good PETA has done for animal welfare was long ago buried beneath the crazy shit they come out with which discredits and damages other animal welfare movements. PETA as it is now is just a vehicle for vegan extremists.
@Melanth89 I agree wholeheartedly. It's one thing to ask for ethical treatment of animals but PETA has gone overboard on a lot of things. Fighting for ethical treatment of animals is one thing, forcing your beliefs on other people is another thing entirely.
@TheCaptainLulz well, he is against the drug companies but he believes that the entire context of life needs to be factored into healing, our food, water, exercise, what is in our air, whether or not we drink or smoke, and if we encounter chemicals that are extremely toxic (like in certain types of jobs), and also the threats to the immune system that come from stress and society.
I think Bill is great, but I don't like PETA. They're stupidly to the left like the NRA is stupidly to the right. I'm not for abusing or mistreating animals, but PETA takes things to a ridiculous extreme. I support gun rights to a degree too, but not as far as the NRA would have it. Moderation and sensibility, please!
This is so gay. Oops, I can't say that either. I feel like a real retard to say..... D'oh! I can't say that either. Hmm, it seems the American vocabulary we depend on so much is getting smaller every year.....
PETA is the one issue I disagree with Maher on. They honestly seem to think that animals should have more rights than people.
Since when should a cat be able to kill and eat something and a human not? I agree with the issues on animal abuse, but shit, why the hell would I want animals to have rights humans don't?
I like Bill Maher but this is just ridiculous. Yes, I get the point. The language we use may affect the way we treat animals. However, look at ALL animals, us included. It's normal to value your own species over others. Every animal does. And we ARE animals.
Where was PETA when god was drowning all those puppies, kittens, bunnies, lions, cows, hippos, lady bugs, gnus, pythons, eagles, crocodiles, goats, elephants, penguins, wolves, sheep. monkeys, three toed tree sloths, chickens etc. etc. etc.
It's odd that Bill serves on the board of PETA but isn't vegetarian. Not saying that not being vegetarian is wrong, please don't start yelling at me, I just think it's odd. Omnivorous PETA board members must be rare. Or is he vegetarian and it's just not well documented?
@ilytopy Nope, he's not. he has stated that occasionally he will grab a hamburger, and he eats raw eggs with berries for breakfast. I think bill simply thinks PETA is about animal rights, and simply hasn't been reading about the history of PETA. I think Newt Gingrich is more hypocrytical though, she said she wants all animals to be 100% free, but she does take insuline. lol
@Chaaarge Ahk thanks. Ew raw eggs and berries haha, what kind of breakfast is that? I'm vegetrian for ethical reasons, but despise PETA. Anyone who thinks they love animals should avoid PETA at all costs, including Bill Maher. But oh well.
Support PETA hahaha. thats such a joke. I love animals why would i want terrorists trying to help them. Firstly the ignorance of the people supporting peta who dont know how many animals they acctualy kill. Secondly Peta has been behind a fairfew bombing that have hurt and killed many inocent people working for companys peta deemed cruel to animals.
Maher is a big time peta supporter. He doesn't believe in animal testing, and frankly I'd rather spend time with his god than him. Oh and to all you peta supporters your money goes to keeping domestic terrorists out of jail and possibly in operation. Nice work. You set out to save animals and you helped to endanger human life.
I was a little offended when that guy called George W. Bush a dog before throwing a shoe at him. If you're reading this post, I will have you know sir that, compared to Bush, dogs are highly empathic, intelligent, honorable, noble and selfless creatures, that make good friends when trained, and I will not stand by and allow their good name to be dragged through the mud like this sir!!!
If Peta can get every meat eating animal on Earth to go vegan then maybe i will give it a thought. Until then, I will stick with my self goal of making a meat re-enactment of a warhammer 40k battle.
PETA kills thousands of animals every year with their rescue vans, why don't you video those hypocrites? And even worse they help fund terrorism by giving to ALF/ELF.
So you morons that send them money are helping to kill puppies and kittens and are funding terrorism!
Why are many meat eaters so vilely indignant when it comes to animal welfare? Like the poster below: "Oh well I am going to go get a steak now. Screw the salad." Part of the process of maturing is abandoning that high school mentality that adulates various paradigms of blatant ignorance. Compassion is not a weakness; it is one of the strongest forces in the universe. If they would only allow their minds to mature and accept responsibility, meat eaters would discover their core vice: selfishness.
@zooland12 Compassion is one thing, compassion at a level outside one's own species, at the expense of vital self interest or even mutual interest, is idiotic.
@284436 Indeed. Where he otherwise seems pretty rational, he seems to have two weak points right there. Well, it's as I said: we each have our rational blind spots, or "woo".
@284436 3 ways, hes anti-pharmaceutical, he believes the body can cure all its own ills and that disease is just bodily, not from an agent, including AIDS.. It cant, and they arent.
@TheCaptainLulz I'm actually also anti american medicine, I don't believe the body can cure AIDS by itself, but I think you have to be sucker to buy into the american pharmaceutical cures
PETA is disgusting and hypocritical. They have one of the largest euthanasia programs in the world. That's right, do your homework, PETA is a kill shelter, not a no-kill shelter. I once saw a bunch of PETA protesters protesting the spca for being a kill shelter, not one of them knew that PETA itself kills animals.
@christo930 euthanasia is a term used to end the life of a creature to relieve intractable suffering. they didnt just round up animals at a park and murder them all. some people cant afford the price of a veterinary euthanasia and thus the animals end up dying a slow and painful death, so PETA helps to end the animals suffering
@Nelladagar WRONG. PETA kills at it's shelter too. If an animal is there for too long and doesn't get adopted out, they kill it, just like all the other shelters. You may WANT to take care of every stray in the world but it just isn't practical.
@Nelladagar The problem is that PETA ends the lives of animals that didn't need euthanasia and does so at a rate much greater than other pro-animal organizations. PETA's goal is to end ALL human animal interaction of any kind except the part where they get to eat us. This includes even things like beekeeping that is beneficial in every way conceivable. PETA is an example of human self-loathing at a level bordering on insanity.
@Swedeandtasty Initially I heard it on Penn And Teller's Bullshit episode on PETA, but I verified on PETA's own website and on Wikipedia. While I admit Wikipedia isn't exactly a great source, PETA's own website is. Do a search. Not only that, even other animal rights activists don't support PETA because of the kill policy they have.
@christo930 Where on PETAs website? I have heard that it is in fact a false rumour and lobby groups get millions of dollars for spreading it. You can google it.
I know animals get euthanised in some (not all) shelters but it is NOT PETA who does it. There are millions of homeless animals living in horrible conditions and the shelters doesn't have room for all. Stop bashing PETA because they do much more for animals than you ever will.
@Swedeandtasty Call PETA and ask them. It isn't controversial, they even sent a letter on PETA letterhead from PETA explaining that they sometimes have to put down animals. I have nothing against helping animals. I am an animal lover and I have 2 cats and a dog, all fixed. They are companions and members of my family and even participate in thanksgiving, birthday (their own) and Christmas. Euthenizing unwanted animals that can't be adopted is better than allowing them to suffer.
@christo930 They do help families who can't afford to euthanize their sick pets but they don't go on a killing spree. Contact PETA and ask them instead of bashing them on the internet.
@Swedeandtasty Who said anything about a killing spree? I simply pointed out that sometime people protest kill shleters holding up PETA signs and demanding that they no longer euthanize animals when they aren't even aware that PETA is, unfortunately, forced to euthanize. Believe me, I am an animal lover and I don;t want to see any animal suffer. I don't hunt, I very rarely eat meat (like maybe 1x every other month), and most importantly, I spay my animals so their offspring don't have to die.
@christo930 Ok, I think I know what you mean now and we are on the same page. I first thought you were one of those "fuck-all-vegetarians-and-I-hate-animals" people you sometimes come across on the internet. ^^
@christo930 If a person that breaks peoples' arms is going around preaching that it is wrong to break peoples' legs, does it make what he/she is preaching less true?
@PolitischeTier Euthanizing animals is a reality that we have to deal with. Some animals have terminal, painful diseases, is it wrong to humanely end their suffering? Some animals, due to prior abuse or lack of socializing, need to be euthanized. Sometimes there simply isn't enough resources to keep all of the animals in humane, decent conditions with enough to eat and proper medical attention. In an ideal world, no animal would ever have to be put down, but we don't live in that world.
@christo930 I haven't looked into it, but I would assume they only kill animals that are suffering and can't be helped. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
@ender003 From what I understand, PETA puts down unadoptable animals as well. Animals that are older that nobody wants, animals that have been abused and weren't properly socialized that would a danger to people etc. Peta only has so many resources and it is much better to keep fewer animals in good conditions than more animals in poor conditions.
@ender003 You're wrong. I'll send a private message with a link for you to do some research on the matter. They kill MOST of the pets they "save" (then throw them in a big freezer) and most of them are perfectly fine and adoptable. As much as I like Bill Maher and also don't want animals to suffer, PETA started with good intentions but it's been turned into somewhat of a corporation now.
@christo930 Death is a natural, important part of life. Unnecessary suffering, instead, is something to protest. If an animal isn't able to live a life without suffering, then it's just ethically right to put him/her down. And as far as I know, PETA is mostly against unnecessary suffering, or at least they should be.
@ExtraFanzyGanza Animals, in the natural environment, suffer horrifically. Suffering is the rule in the natural world,rather than the exception. Search for snakes eating on youtube. Ever seen what lions do to their prey?
But I do agree that animals that are suffering should be put down and that was the entire point of my original post, that PETA DOES euthanize it's animals.
@christo930 The suffering that humans cause to other beings - such as the meat industry that tortures brutally 55 billion animals every year, puts them into pieces while conscious etc. - is very different from the "natural" suffering. And, unlike we tend to believe, nature isn't constant pain and fear. Usually animals cause pain to other animals in order to eat the prey, and therefore the suffering is necessary and doesn't last very long.
@ExtraFanzyGanza You are WRONG. It is only hallah meat (Muslim meat) who are killed while conscious because of their silly religious beliefs. In all other cases, livestock must not be conscious before they are killed.
@christo930 You don't know anything about the meat industry, do you? Every year millions and millions of animals are bled, dismembered and skinned while conscious in the USA alone. The reason is that the slaughterhouses are too busy killing hundreds of thousands of animals every day. The workers are usually illegal immigrants that are traumathized by the horrific working conditions, and they are unable to handle the poorly done machines. Read Eating animals by Jonathan Safran Foer.
@ExtraFanzyGanza Sounds like you don't know much about it either. In the USA animals must be stunned before they are killed. Since you think you know so much about their workforce, maybe you could provide some BLS statistics about them?
@christo930 What should be done isn't done in the meat industry. I'll write it again: The reason is that the slaughterhouses are too busy killing hundreds of thousands of animals every day. The workers are usually illegal immigrants that are traumathized by the horrific working conditions, and they are unable to handle the poorly done machines. Seriously: Just read Eating animals by Jonathan Safran Foer. Or just google it.
@christo930 As morally intelligent animals we humans are capable of behaving ethically. If it isn't absolutely necessary to cause suffering, then it shouldn't be caused just because there is suffering in the natural world. According to that logic it's okay to eat children because humans have always done that to other tribes' children in our primitive cultures.
@christo930 I thought the logic was quite clear. What I'm trying to explain is that (like I said) as morally intelligent animals we humans don't just do what's considered "natural". Ethical arguments do make a difference. As a species we've eaten other tribes' children for hundreds of thousands of years, and if we hadn't had certain ethical progress, we would still eat them because it's so natural.
@ExtraFanzyGanza Everything we do is natural because we are part of nature. I certainly don't believe in torture of other animals, but we need to eat. I rarely eat meat, usually less than 1x per month. To the best of my knowledge, there are all kinds of laws for the protection of animals being raised/slaughtered.
@christo930 Moral is always raising abow our natural needs. If everything was natural, we wouldn't even need the word "natural". Humans need to eat but meat is absolutely not necessary. It contains many good nutrients (and also many bad) but those nutrients can easily be found in vegetarian food. About the laws: the are some laws and they are ridiculously inadequate. If those rules are followed, animals suffer, and usually they are not. This, for example, is legal stuff: meat.org
@ExtraFanzyGanza We use the word natural because most people don't see themselves as part of nature. Birds build nests, we build bigger and better nests, beavers build dams, we build bigger and better dams... I don't know if this has been elevated to science or not, but I have read that meat played a very large role in our evolution and that without meat, we simply would not have become wise, wise, man.
@ExtraFanzyGanza To really discuss these things one really needs to know certain facts about the industry. Without that knowledge it's just frustrating for the one who knows even a little more. I admit most things about the meat industry sound quite unbeliavable, but - unfortunately - they are true. I have nothing more to add here, and I hope you're done with this conversation too :) I fucking hate Youtube "conversations".
@christo930 , unfortunately, you're right. And the most bizarre part is, they dont' get fined or charged for killing animals without a vet license or any other kind of license. Look up the videos about them right here on Youtube.
@christo930 you seem to suggest that we would be better off without any opposition for ethical treatment of animals. peta is the number 1 namesake for the cause to promote this proper treatment. your comment is unhelpful with minimal if any insight.
@mboundtogether Ethic is different from person to person. But focusing on what you're saying: Peta kills about 2/3 of the animals they "save" because they don't want to spend the money saving them, instead they're using their money on domestic terrorists, who're hurting both animals and humans. I don't care how famous an organisation and how many times the word ethical appears in the name: If you're killing that many animals and hurting humans, you do not deserve respect.
@ulkien sorry i dont want to get in the way of you dragging the name through the mud of the only group anyone has every heard do anything for animals. before this, all animals were more than likely euthenized. its not like thats their first choice. some of these comments seem like they expect peta to correct every unfortunate circumstance that comes from people's lack of responsibility.
@mboundtogether What on earth are you talking about? Denmark, where I'm from, has an union called "Dyrenes Beskyttelse" it's from 1875! We had laws from 1857 saying you cannot be cruel to animals. So there goes your first argumentation. Now for the second: I expect PETA to use their money on saving animals instead of using it on killing animals, founding terrorists, lie about animal testing (for medicine) and taking away dogs helping blind people. And They've ethics in their name, pathetic.
@ulkien i said well known groups. dont act as if dyrenes beskytelse is as popular (not in usa?). on your second counter you syggest a link with terrorism. this is demagogery and unproven. its sad that you try to fear monger with terrorism, letting the bad word do your arguing for you. if there was proof of this i would have heard it. a lot of these comments talk about how peta goes too far with the sympathy for animals. but if you still disagree, why not show peta how its done by example?
@mboundtogether You've never read Kant or Locke? Never even heard of ASPCA? (That's the US and over a 100 years before PETA). As for terrorism you should read some of PETA's public budgets (they've to be public as they don't pay taxes), might be surprised in what they've done for ALF over the years, which is a domestic terrorist group according to the FBI. Sympathy for animals don't go around killing animals themselves in the numbers they do. I think I got a hell lot of more "ethics" than PETA.
@ulkien i have heard of aspca among others. no on kant/locke. depending on the circumstances i may not care about alf. that certainly is an interesting aproach on how to best deal with animal rights. 'first, we will go and fight the animal rights activists' you declared yourself more ethical than peta. that maybe so but if a person declared themselves more virtuous than the pope, it should be easy to see that people are going to have a problem with that and for fairly obvious reasons.
@mboundtogether I agree with you. It's a very odd approach I've if we read through my comments. But in reality I do support several animal rights organisations (dyrenes beskyttelse being one) in real life, I just feel like I can spend time on both helping them and exposing PETA for what they're. Bad example with mr Ratzinger, he isn't very virtuous. Anyway, I can declare PETA to be unethical based on evidence and argumentations, that's the point of my saying I got more ethics than them.
Actually, we were on that track for a bit when it became popular to refer to someone as "Tiger" You know, "That's a nice ride there, Tiger" or "She's a tiger in the sack"
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itsanameisntit 17 hours ago
we can be humane and respectful to animals that is of course a good thing; every effort should be made to avoid cruelty, but peta goes to far; they really do not even approve of pets, seeing eye dogs, farming of animals even a in responsible manner and essential research that ultimately saves live (including peta's diabetic president who would not last long without insulin that would never been discovered without animal research).
DRnab1983 6 days ago
I'd have a LOT more respect for PETA if they didn't kill pets, sabotage the ASPCA and the Humane Society and want to take seeing-eye dogs away from blind people. As for carnivorous activity, I'm a Wiccan---the real thing, not the New Age imitation---so it's against my religion to be vegetarian.
TheChurchOfKali12357 1 week ago
notice how PETA only gives a fuck if its a 'cute' animal? They dont give a shit about insect fighting in asia and stuff like that.
BigRickDouglas1 2 weeks ago
NOT 100% PRO PETA! YET PETA DOES TONS OF THINGS! ASK PAUL MCCARTNEY!! LOOK UP FAMOUS VEGANS ON GOOGLE!! THE FAMOUS EVEN KNOW THAT VEGETARIANS & VEGANS ARE A BETTER LIFE STYLE. DO YOU HOMEWORK PEOPLE. MANY CARE TO KNOW THE TRUTH AND MANY DO NOT. THE FOOLS WILL HAVE POOR HEALTH AND SUFFER THEIR DENIAL. WATCH....FORKS OVER KNIFES. GLAD I DON'T EAT OR WEAR ANIMALS. NO NEED. I'M TOO EDUCATED AND HAVE A HIGHER CONSCIENCE. THOSES THAT ARE SELFISH WILL NOT BE SO KIND. KARMA!
GOLDENFLYWARRIOR 3 weeks ago
@GOLDENFLYWARRIOR Will you refuse medicines and medical care developed by animal testing ? Unless you wear 100% organic cotton and hemp shoes even your clothes probably had something to do with an animal at one time or another.
patteel 2 weeks ago
Glad to see that I'm not the only one who remembers that abomination, Kangaroo Jack.
RaymondMaarloeve 1 month ago
what do you expect of him,he is in the board of members of peta....
nemesis1ization 1 month ago
PETA kills more animals then they save in fact that’s 90% of all taken in, that’s a lot more then they save.
darkblood626 1 month ago
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That's really awful man... but if you think about it, and this is no excuse, all of those animals would be dead if PETA didn't take those animals in. I only wished they could create some kind of animal center where they hire people to take care of the animals... but PETA isn't a charity, they are profit organization that without animals suffering, no money would be made. They've become more of an animal welfare movement than a true animal rights movement...
ZoldierrZzz 1 month ago
@ZoldierrZzz Correction. PETA is non-profit.
john84753 1 month ago
@darkblood626 maybe you could keep them at your place.
john84753 1 month ago
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naa I feel I do my bit by not killing animals I come across on the street.
darkblood626 1 month ago
@darkblood626 I see; so you just step over the starving bag-of-bones.
john84753 1 month ago
@john84753
Actually I threw it some food and contacted a local vet and after a few months of recovering it went to be adopted by a relative of a friend of mine.
darkblood626 1 month ago
@darkblood626 Great, now do that times 4 million per year, because that's how many animals can't find homes.
john84753 1 month ago
New rule: Don't support organizations that euthanize 90% of the animals they take into their headquarters.
ErichoTTA 1 month ago
Very well put, Bill; you should run for president!....and on a side note, PISS on all you animal haters! I`d love to hunt you down & shoot YOU; then let`s hear you call it "sporting", or "good family fun"!
25411959 1 month ago
I respect and love animal rights. I hate PETA.
welaughindoors91 2 months ago 2
Zebra? Er...does that mean Z size bra?
90Rush 2 months ago
I support PETA, People Eating Tasty Animals
AbuAvital 2 months ago 2
Bill rips on kookoos but peta in pretty nutty and extreme.
marky2112 2 months ago
lol its funny kangeroos have killed people !
imbetterthanyouis 2 months ago
@streetmentalist It's not about rights, it's about nature and the food chain. Does a lion think it has superior rights when it kills an antelope? Does a shark think about rights when it eats a seal. We have always used animals for clothing, food, and shelter. We can still respect the animals the way Native American and Inuit culture has. But get over yourselves. I wish all you PETA people were as concerned about AIDS and starvation among the children of the world than you are about chickens.
Kaalec 2 months ago
@Edgehead10075 Scientist is not a synonym for intelligent. A scientist is someone who conducts experiments and publishes results. Darwin however happens to be a scientist, so here's what he had to say.
"There is no fundamental difference between man and the higher animals in their mental faculties... The lower animals, like man, manifestly feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery."
--Charles Darwin
Toodles.
12Ominous 2 months ago
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12Ominous 2 months ago
@Edgehead10075 lol, Inferior? Who said anything about better or worse? Lots of people are inferior to other people as well, does that make it right for you to exploit them? You're knee-jerk statement indicates a visceral tendency towards species-ism (Today's slavery/racism/sexism). While no one can refute that animals don't possess the cognitive abilities that humans have, most enlightened people today and even 300 hundred years ago recognized the fundamental correlations between all life.
12Ominous 2 months ago
Look, I like animals, but Bill Maher is a fucking humorless douchebag. It's exactly like what George Carlin was talking about when he said that feminists wanted to call that thing in the street a "Person Hole Cover".
frinkmhey 2 months ago
Is he serious?
freerayhn 3 months ago
Fuck PETA, find an animals rights group that isn't hypocritical, doesn't fund terrorists, doesn't exploit women, and cares enough about its fellow humans to put us before a chicken.
MsbacktoNYC 3 months ago 25
@MsbacktoNYC Why are humans more important than animals? I don't want any shit talking, just a straight answer.
lukecarb 2 months ago
@lukecarb
First of all, we ARE an animal.
Why are we more important? For one thing, we are the most advanced and one of the most social species on the planet. We inherently rank other species on this scale. We put dolphins and elephants before mosquitoes and goldfish. I'm sure you'd struggle more with shooting a dolphin than you would swatting a fly.
Secondly, for all our flaws, we CREATE. We make music, temples, paintings - we write books that record history
(etc.)
MsbacktoNYC 2 months ago
@lukecarb
Given that we have this connection to our past due to our creations (and our ability to put things on a timeline) we are able to bring something to this world that our fellow animals cannot. We are, in some sense, the keepers of the past.
I love animals, but how do I know HUMANS rank their own species above all others? If you saw a child drowning in a pool, and a dog drowning next to him, and you could only carry one out, who would you pick?
MsbacktoNYC 2 months ago
@lukecarb And, not to bore you to death with too many replies, but we are also one of the few animals that is so compassionate that we actually care about all of the other animals on the planet, even ones that would eat us given the chance.
I'm a vegetarian, as is the rest of my family. While I adore animals, I will always respect and cherish our amazing species. Too many animal rights activists focus on the harm that humans do rather than the good.
MsbacktoNYC 2 months ago
@MsbacktoNYC
Who is funding terrorists?
ZoldierrZzz 1 month ago
@MsbacktoNYC
Let's not forget; Animal Rights groups that uses their income to find homes for adoptive pets, rather than funding the advert cjampaigns.
HawaiiKnut 1 month ago
@kaalec Animals are alive and have the ability to feel pain. Stating they don't deserve rights because they're not human is as absurd as stating African individuals don't deserve rights because they're not white, or women don't deserve equal rights because they're not as strong as men are. Whether human beings are the epitome of sentient beings or not isn't relevant. If I'm smarter/stronger than you are does that mean you shouldn't get the same rights as me? Wake up fool.
12Ominous 3 months ago
Animals are inferior beings. Period. It's an issue where both science and religion agree.
Maher is always praising scientists. Well, scientists seem to have no problem with using animals for research. They're a lot smarter than Bill Maher and the PETA whackjobs, so I'll have to go with them.
Edgehead10075 2 months ago
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12Ominous 3 months ago
sorry, people are omnivores. we eat meat and plants and have done so since the dawn of our species. our phusical make-up our teeth alone shows this. we have large flat teeth like cows to grind up plants. we have sharp pointed teeth that are used to tear into meat like wolves. bears are also omnivores as are humans closest realitive species, apes. there are nutriets in meat that can't be found anywhere else. only america can have anarexia and vegans. ethiopia doesn't have these "deseases".
CamaroAmx 3 months ago
If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?
Kaalec 3 months ago
@Kaalec If we're not supposed to eat babies, why are they made out of meat? There's so many of them in the world anyway! If we don't start killing and eating them there will eventually be too many of them and they'll all die out!
RealRawResults 3 months ago
@Kaalec I have children and I have pets. I don not confuse one with the other. Animals are NOT human, nor should they be afforded the rights of humans.
Kaalec 3 months ago
/watch?v=inFtOMx8nDU and learn something
13THEMIS 3 months ago
I agree with you people to a point. Sure, destroying research labs isn't the best way to get a point across, but in this country of fat, brainwashed people, how else are they going to get a message sent to eerybody? The government won't help... They are too busy pocketing money they get under the table from the big coorperations starting this mess. It doesn't justify what they do, but they don't have a lot of options right now...
AustinHansen 3 months ago
He's on the board for PETA. Animal activists funding terrorism? How so? I do understand certain aspects of what they do teeter on the brink of environmental terrorism, but I'm not so sure that's what you mean.
Wouldn't really call them stupid either, but that is merely your opinion which you have a right to. I support PETA and am not a malicious, violent person. I believe in non-violence of all kinds and follow a vegan diet but never go so far as to force others into it.
ciaobellakate 3 months ago
@ciaobellakate stop multi-trolling
3rdPR 3 months ago
@3rdPR
It was a reply to someone's comment, you twit.
ciaobellakate 3 months ago
I'll give them this one: PETA try. I get that lobbying for more rights for animals to save them from unnecessary suffering and exploitation is part of their agenda and a good one too, but other aspects are not unlike radical left wing policies that draw a fine line between animal activism and fascism. That is so counterproductive. Educating the masses needn't be to make them feel like shit. It should be based on compassion and respect.
ciaobellakate 3 months ago
He's insufferable.
slantyrock 3 months ago
I am all up for protecting animals, treating them humanely, giving them respect, and appreciating the beauty and diversity they have given this planet. I love my dog, he is my companion and best friend, who has follow me through many mountains, through dozens of miles, and is never too far from me when we hike (he hikes off-leash).
But I no doubt know, that he appreciates a good tasty piece of chicken, or meat, or ribs, or rabbit. Just like i do. After all, it's our natural instinct. :]
Ramiel77 4 months ago
agree with Maher on alot of other topics, but can't on this one. Modern PETA have turned so extemist in their views its scary. Stopping cruelty to animals is fair enough, but to accuse pet owners as morally corrupt people, and to justify their destroying of research labs to save animals by comparing themselves to the people who saved prisoners during the holocaust is so deluded its beyond belief
conks23 4 months ago
damn bill you just lost cool points bro, wtf peta really?
TheSandboxking 5 months ago
wait... did he actually support peta?
Peta is a hilariously stupid organization. They also fund terrorism : )
boonw 5 months ago
@boonw
He is on the PETA board.
Animal activism funding terrorism? How so? I know they kind of walk along the line of environmental terrorism, but I'm not so sure that's what you mean.
Wouldn't really call them stupid either, although you do have a right to an opinion. I support them and I am a kind, non-violent, respectable human being who follows a vegan diet but never goes so far as to discriminate against anyone who doesnt (that is, unless they take delight in the suffering of such animals).
ciaobellakate 3 months ago
@ciaobellakate
"Animal activism funding terrorism? How so?"
They gave 70 000 dollars of donated money to a high ranking member of the ALF, who not only set fire to several labs, but also openly encouraged others to do so as well.
"Wouldn't really call them stupid either"
They are. For example, in Ontario,they helped stop the spring bear hunt, claiming too many cubs were orphaned. It was around 40.Now that we have an over population of bears, over 10000 cubs die from disease and other bears
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@ciaobellakate
"Animal activism funding terrorism? How so?"
They gave 70 000 dollars of donated money to a high ranking member of the ALF, who not only set fire to several labs, but also openly encouraged others to do so as well.
"Wouldn't really call them stupid either"
They are. For example, in Ontario,they helped stop the spring bear hunt, claiming too many cubs were orphaned. It was around 40.Now that we have an over population of bears, over 10000 cubs die from disease and other bears
boonw 3 months ago
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ciaobellakate 3 months ago
Didn't Bill used to have a show called politically incorrect, then he goes on about supporting Peta telling us what words we should stop using.
flootisboy65 5 months ago
I´m hungry for a nice Bacon Sandwich now....
triondrummer 5 months ago
New rule, PETA should be gunned down like the animals they are!
RandomMindz 5 months ago
well done - from a proud Irish PETA member
irishveganboy 5 months ago 2
@irishveganboy Were you in the IRA before PETA? LMFAO
AmericanBadass44 3 months ago
Yeah remember that pitbull that saved that woman from getting mugged......oh no it just ripped a little girls throat out.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
As much as I like Maher, he's dead wrong on this one. Whatever good PETA has done for animal welfare was long ago buried beneath the crazy shit they come out with which discredits and damages other animal welfare movements. PETA as it is now is just a vehicle for vegan extremists.
Melanth89 6 months ago 53
@Melanth89 I'm sure he know this now. This was 4 years ago.
HiThereLindsey 2 months ago
@Melanth89
Vegan extremists? What is that.
ZoldierrZzz 1 month ago
@Melanth89 right on. How much money have they actually contributed to environment and animal conservation?
Who knows?
Emaniac69 1 month ago
@Melanth89 I agree wholeheartedly. It's one thing to ask for ethical treatment of animals but PETA has gone overboard on a lot of things. Fighting for ethical treatment of animals is one thing, forcing your beliefs on other people is another thing entirely.
keysersmokey 4 weeks ago
If animal didn't want to get eaten they shouldn't have made the fatal mistake of being so damned tasty.
TheUrbanusling 6 months ago
@TheUrbanusling Ikr! If god didnt want us eating meat why'd he make them so damn tasty? >:]
Kanturk4eva 5 months ago
@Kanturk4eva
The funnier form of that joke is... If we're not supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat?
dookdawg214 5 months ago
@dookdawg214 Well not all meat is tasty, good sir.
Kanturk4eva 5 months ago
@TheCaptainLulz well, he is against the drug companies but he believes that the entire context of life needs to be factored into healing, our food, water, exercise, what is in our air, whether or not we drink or smoke, and if we encounter chemicals that are extremely toxic (like in certain types of jobs), and also the threats to the immune system that come from stress and society.
22350693521 6 months ago
new rule...bill maher is not allowed to feel entitled to make new rules anymore.
Pat9201 7 months ago
Bill Maher is an anti-vaccination and pro PETA idiot.
david52875 7 months ago in playlist Animal Rights 3
PETA is against guide dogs for the blind. Bill, you go with your fantatical organization and us religious people will go with ours.
ErichoTTA 8 months ago
It's a lot easier to be rich and for PETA because then you can eat the good vegan cuisine that actually can be called cuisine.
UrinationNation 8 months ago
Well its apparently ok to kill Palestinian kids. Just don't use improper nomenclature when talking about animals.
lennono88 8 months ago
I think Bill is great, but I don't like PETA. They're stupidly to the left like the NRA is stupidly to the right. I'm not for abusing or mistreating animals, but PETA takes things to a ridiculous extreme. I support gun rights to a degree too, but not as far as the NRA would have it. Moderation and sensibility, please!
supinlick2000 9 months ago
This is so gay. Oops, I can't say that either. I feel like a real retard to say..... D'oh! I can't say that either. Hmm, it seems the American vocabulary we depend on so much is getting smaller every year.....
MaskedMarvyl 9 months ago
@MaskedMarvyl
stop being such a jew!
mellamosean 8 months ago
PETA is the one issue I disagree with Maher on. They honestly seem to think that animals should have more rights than people.
Since when should a cat be able to kill and eat something and a human not? I agree with the issues on animal abuse, but shit, why the hell would I want animals to have rights humans don't?
Link6746 9 months ago
bill mahr has always been a retard. so far left that he's wrong. i'm an independent but he makes me sick.
maxbassin 9 months ago
@maxbassin, for god's sake then, stop watching, drink some Maalox and lie down.
MaskedMarvyl 9 months ago
I like Bill Maher but this is just ridiculous. Yes, I get the point. The language we use may affect the way we treat animals. However, look at ALL animals, us included. It's normal to value your own species over others. Every animal does. And we ARE animals.
isbourne 9 months ago
Where was PETA when god was drowning all those puppies, kittens, bunnies, lions, cows, hippos, lady bugs, gnus, pythons, eagles, crocodiles, goats, elephants, penguins, wolves, sheep. monkeys, three toed tree sloths, chickens etc. etc. etc.
max2right 9 months ago
It's odd that Bill serves on the board of PETA but isn't vegetarian. Not saying that not being vegetarian is wrong, please don't start yelling at me, I just think it's odd. Omnivorous PETA board members must be rare. Or is he vegetarian and it's just not well documented?
ilytopy 10 months ago
@ilytopy Nope, he's not. he has stated that occasionally he will grab a hamburger, and he eats raw eggs with berries for breakfast. I think bill simply thinks PETA is about animal rights, and simply hasn't been reading about the history of PETA. I think Newt Gingrich is more hypocrytical though, she said she wants all animals to be 100% free, but she does take insuline. lol
Chaaarge 10 months ago
@Chaaarge Ahk thanks. Ew raw eggs and berries haha, what kind of breakfast is that? I'm vegetrian for ethical reasons, but despise PETA. Anyone who thinks they love animals should avoid PETA at all costs, including Bill Maher. But oh well.
ilytopy 9 months ago
PETA supports the murder of human lives for animals but not the other way around
rhcprh 10 months ago
@rhcprh Humans are animals.
ExtraFanzyGanza 10 months ago 12
@ExtraFanzyGanza You know what I mean they support the death of Homo Sapiens for other animals but not the other way around
rhcprh 10 months ago
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PETA supports the murder of human lives for animals but not the other way around
rhcprh 10 months ago
PETA supports the murder of human lives for animals but not the other way around
rhcprh 10 months ago
Bill Bill Bill.. Man, you used to be cool. Seems like the only thing we agree on anymore is religion..
YouthEnergy 10 months ago
Support PETA hahaha. thats such a joke. I love animals why would i want terrorists trying to help them. Firstly the ignorance of the people supporting peta who dont know how many animals they acctualy kill. Secondly Peta has been behind a fairfew bombing that have hurt and killed many inocent people working for companys peta deemed cruel to animals.
reptilecreation 11 months ago
its soo funny lol how bill insults his audience and they clap haha
imcrazy85 11 months ago
Fuck PETA.
dunklersoldat 11 months ago
Bill is a really cool guy, but come on Bill.. Peta? Really?
YouthEnergy 11 months ago
Rules in favor of PETA are like their foolish dreams. Both were meant to be broken.
NinjaGhostScorpion 11 months ago
Maher is a big time peta supporter. He doesn't believe in animal testing, and frankly I'd rather spend time with his god than him. Oh and to all you peta supporters your money goes to keeping domestic terrorists out of jail and possibly in operation. Nice work. You set out to save animals and you helped to endanger human life.
NJburbsSeeker 11 months ago
I was a little offended when that guy called George W. Bush a dog before throwing a shoe at him. If you're reading this post, I will have you know sir that, compared to Bush, dogs are highly empathic, intelligent, honorable, noble and selfless creatures, that make good friends when trained, and I will not stand by and allow their good name to be dragged through the mud like this sir!!!
4turrold5 11 months ago
Sometimes Bill Maher gets it dead right and sometimes, like being pro-peta, he gets it so fractally wrong it's nearly inconceivable.
MrMZaccone 11 months ago
Well in honor of the rules, this guy is a real ham.
billg1024 1 year ago
If Peta can get every meat eating animal on Earth to go vegan then maybe i will give it a thought. Until then, I will stick with my self goal of making a meat re-enactment of a warhammer 40k battle.
illpsycho 1 year ago
PETA kills thousands of animals every year with their rescue vans, why don't you video those hypocrites? And even worse they help fund terrorism by giving to ALF/ELF.
So you morons that send them money are helping to kill puppies and kittens and are funding terrorism!
And maher is a fuckstick!
h20fwler1 1 year ago
What a gas bag. He's funny, but I've never seen humor make an argument right. Just funny.
edgeofblade 1 year ago
It should be a crime to use animals in the military.
JImmy4336 1 year ago
Why are many meat eaters so vilely indignant when it comes to animal welfare? Like the poster below: "Oh well I am going to go get a steak now. Screw the salad." Part of the process of maturing is abandoning that high school mentality that adulates various paradigms of blatant ignorance. Compassion is not a weakness; it is one of the strongest forces in the universe. If they would only allow their minds to mature and accept responsibility, meat eaters would discover their core vice: selfishness.
zooland12 1 year ago
@zooland12 Compassion is one thing, compassion at a level outside one's own species, at the expense of vital self interest or even mutual interest, is idiotic.
MrMZaccone 11 months ago
Bill Maher is really strange in two areas how much he loves PETA and how much he loves Israel
284436 1 year ago 12
@284436 Because there's money to be made supporting both causes.
infox1000 1 year ago
@284436 I suppose no man can be 100% right.
UnchainTheNight1 1 year ago
@284436 he also supports prostitution
timmy452ster 1 year ago
@284436 Because he's very rational.
m0ssadic 10 months ago
@284436 I love Israel. It pisses off Muslims.
MalchikBlue 10 months ago
@284436 Indeed. Where he otherwise seems pretty rational, he seems to have two weak points right there. Well, it's as I said: we each have our rational blind spots, or "woo".
Azakhiel 8 months ago
@284436 3 ways, hes anti-pharmaceutical, he believes the body can cure all its own ills and that disease is just bodily, not from an agent, including AIDS.. It cant, and they arent.
TheCaptainLulz 7 months ago
@TheCaptainLulz I'm actually also anti american medicine, I don't believe the body can cure AIDS by itself, but I think you have to be sucker to buy into the american pharmaceutical cures
284436 7 months ago
PETA is disgusting and hypocritical. They have one of the largest euthanasia programs in the world. That's right, do your homework, PETA is a kill shelter, not a no-kill shelter. I once saw a bunch of PETA protesters protesting the spca for being a kill shelter, not one of them knew that PETA itself kills animals.
christo930 1 year ago 32
@christo930 they support terrorist groups that have killed humans too
psychokillercrab 1 year ago
@psychokillercrab Because there's money to be made in supporting both causes.
infox1000 1 year ago
@infox1000 I agree but it's a shame
psychokillercrab 1 year ago
@christo930 euthanasia is a term used to end the life of a creature to relieve intractable suffering. they didnt just round up animals at a park and murder them all. some people cant afford the price of a veterinary euthanasia and thus the animals end up dying a slow and painful death, so PETA helps to end the animals suffering
Nelladagar 1 year ago
@Nelladagar WRONG. PETA kills at it's shelter too. If an animal is there for too long and doesn't get adopted out, they kill it, just like all the other shelters. You may WANT to take care of every stray in the world but it just isn't practical.
christo930 1 year ago
@Nelladagar The problem is that PETA ends the lives of animals that didn't need euthanasia and does so at a rate much greater than other pro-animal organizations. PETA's goal is to end ALL human animal interaction of any kind except the part where they get to eat us. This includes even things like beekeeping that is beneficial in every way conceivable. PETA is an example of human self-loathing at a level bordering on insanity.
MrMZaccone 11 months ago
@christo930 Where have you heard that? Could you provide some proof, please?
Swedeandtasty 11 months ago
@Swedeandtasty Initially I heard it on Penn And Teller's Bullshit episode on PETA, but I verified on PETA's own website and on Wikipedia. While I admit Wikipedia isn't exactly a great source, PETA's own website is. Do a search. Not only that, even other animal rights activists don't support PETA because of the kill policy they have.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 Where on PETAs website? I have heard that it is in fact a false rumour and lobby groups get millions of dollars for spreading it. You can google it.
I know animals get euthanised in some (not all) shelters but it is NOT PETA who does it. There are millions of homeless animals living in horrible conditions and the shelters doesn't have room for all. Stop bashing PETA because they do much more for animals than you ever will.
Swedeandtasty 11 months ago
@Swedeandtasty Call PETA and ask them. It isn't controversial, they even sent a letter on PETA letterhead from PETA explaining that they sometimes have to put down animals. I have nothing against helping animals. I am an animal lover and I have 2 cats and a dog, all fixed. They are companions and members of my family and even participate in thanksgiving, birthday (their own) and Christmas. Euthenizing unwanted animals that can't be adopted is better than allowing them to suffer.
christo930 11 months ago
@Swedeandtasty try putting petas address in front of this
/b/thepetafiles/archive/2009/03/30/why-we-euthanize.aspx
The article is called why we euthanize
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 They do help families who can't afford to euthanize their sick pets but they don't go on a killing spree. Contact PETA and ask them instead of bashing them on the internet.
Swedeandtasty 11 months ago
@Swedeandtasty Who said anything about a killing spree? I simply pointed out that sometime people protest kill shleters holding up PETA signs and demanding that they no longer euthanize animals when they aren't even aware that PETA is, unfortunately, forced to euthanize. Believe me, I am an animal lover and I don;t want to see any animal suffer. I don't hunt, I very rarely eat meat (like maybe 1x every other month), and most importantly, I spay my animals so their offspring don't have to die.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 Ok, I think I know what you mean now and we are on the same page. I first thought you were one of those "fuck-all-vegetarians-and-I-hate-animals" people you sometimes come across on the internet. ^^
Swedeandtasty 11 months ago
@Swedeandtasty OK. Point taken.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 What do you mean? Where is this information?
enorabv 11 months ago
@enorabv It's on Peta's website.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 If a person that breaks peoples' arms is going around preaching that it is wrong to break peoples' legs, does it make what he/she is preaching less true?
PolitischeTier 11 months ago
@PolitischeTier Euthanizing animals is a reality that we have to deal with. Some animals have terminal, painful diseases, is it wrong to humanely end their suffering? Some animals, due to prior abuse or lack of socializing, need to be euthanized. Sometimes there simply isn't enough resources to keep all of the animals in humane, decent conditions with enough to eat and proper medical attention. In an ideal world, no animal would ever have to be put down, but we don't live in that world.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 I haven't looked into it, but I would assume they only kill animals that are suffering and can't be helped. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
ender003 11 months ago
@ender003 From what I understand, PETA puts down unadoptable animals as well. Animals that are older that nobody wants, animals that have been abused and weren't properly socialized that would a danger to people etc. Peta only has so many resources and it is much better to keep fewer animals in good conditions than more animals in poor conditions.
christo930 11 months ago
@ender003 You're wrong. I'll send a private message with a link for you to do some research on the matter. They kill MOST of the pets they "save" (then throw them in a big freezer) and most of them are perfectly fine and adoptable. As much as I like Bill Maher and also don't want animals to suffer, PETA started with good intentions but it's been turned into somewhat of a corporation now.
nothing980454 11 months ago
@christo930 Death is a natural, important part of life. Unnecessary suffering, instead, is something to protest. If an animal isn't able to live a life without suffering, then it's just ethically right to put him/her down. And as far as I know, PETA is mostly against unnecessary suffering, or at least they should be.
ExtraFanzyGanza 10 months ago
@ExtraFanzyGanza Animals, in the natural environment, suffer horrifically. Suffering is the rule in the natural world,rather than the exception. Search for snakes eating on youtube. Ever seen what lions do to their prey?
But I do agree that animals that are suffering should be put down and that was the entire point of my original post, that PETA DOES euthanize it's animals.
christo930 10 months ago
@christo930 The suffering that humans cause to other beings - such as the meat industry that tortures brutally 55 billion animals every year, puts them into pieces while conscious etc. - is very different from the "natural" suffering. And, unlike we tend to believe, nature isn't constant pain and fear. Usually animals cause pain to other animals in order to eat the prey, and therefore the suffering is necessary and doesn't last very long.
ExtraFanzyGanza 10 months ago
@ExtraFanzyGanza You are WRONG. It is only hallah meat (Muslim meat) who are killed while conscious because of their silly religious beliefs. In all other cases, livestock must not be conscious before they are killed.
christo930 10 months ago
@christo930 You don't know anything about the meat industry, do you? Every year millions and millions of animals are bled, dismembered and skinned while conscious in the USA alone. The reason is that the slaughterhouses are too busy killing hundreds of thousands of animals every day. The workers are usually illegal immigrants that are traumathized by the horrific working conditions, and they are unable to handle the poorly done machines. Read Eating animals by Jonathan Safran Foer.
ExtraFanzyGanza 10 months ago
@ExtraFanzyGanza Sounds like you don't know much about it either. In the USA animals must be stunned before they are killed. Since you think you know so much about their workforce, maybe you could provide some BLS statistics about them?
christo930 9 months ago
@christo930 What should be done isn't done in the meat industry. I'll write it again: The reason is that the slaughterhouses are too busy killing hundreds of thousands of animals every day. The workers are usually illegal immigrants that are traumathized by the horrific working conditions, and they are unable to handle the poorly done machines. Seriously: Just read Eating animals by Jonathan Safran Foer. Or just google it.
ExtraFanzyGanza 9 months ago
@christo930 hallal*
ilytopy 10 months ago
@christo930 As morally intelligent animals we humans are capable of behaving ethically. If it isn't absolutely necessary to cause suffering, then it shouldn't be caused just because there is suffering in the natural world. According to that logic it's okay to eat children because humans have always done that to other tribes' children in our primitive cultures.
ExtraFanzyGanza 10 months ago
@ExtraFanzyGanza When exactly did I say we should deliberately cause suffering or eat children?
christo930 9 months ago
@christo930 I thought the logic was quite clear. What I'm trying to explain is that (like I said) as morally intelligent animals we humans don't just do what's considered "natural". Ethical arguments do make a difference. As a species we've eaten other tribes' children for hundreds of thousands of years, and if we hadn't had certain ethical progress, we would still eat them because it's so natural.
ExtraFanzyGanza 9 months ago
@ExtraFanzyGanza Everything we do is natural because we are part of nature. I certainly don't believe in torture of other animals, but we need to eat. I rarely eat meat, usually less than 1x per month. To the best of my knowledge, there are all kinds of laws for the protection of animals being raised/slaughtered.
christo930 9 months ago
@christo930 Moral is always raising abow our natural needs. If everything was natural, we wouldn't even need the word "natural". Humans need to eat but meat is absolutely not necessary. It contains many good nutrients (and also many bad) but those nutrients can easily be found in vegetarian food. About the laws: the are some laws and they are ridiculously inadequate. If those rules are followed, animals suffer, and usually they are not. This, for example, is legal stuff: meat.org
ExtraFanzyGanza 9 months ago
@ExtraFanzyGanza We use the word natural because most people don't see themselves as part of nature. Birds build nests, we build bigger and better nests, beavers build dams, we build bigger and better dams... I don't know if this has been elevated to science or not, but I have read that meat played a very large role in our evolution and that without meat, we simply would not have become wise, wise, man.
christo930 9 months ago
@ExtraFanzyGanza To really discuss these things one really needs to know certain facts about the industry. Without that knowledge it's just frustrating for the one who knows even a little more. I admit most things about the meat industry sound quite unbeliavable, but - unfortunately - they are true. I have nothing more to add here, and I hope you're done with this conversation too :) I fucking hate Youtube "conversations".
ExtraFanzyGanza 9 months ago
@christo930 , unfortunately, you're right. And the most bizarre part is, they dont' get fined or charged for killing animals without a vet license or any other kind of license. Look up the videos about them right here on Youtube.
MaskedMarvyl 9 months ago
@christo930 explain more.....
smileyraw 9 months ago
@christo930 you seem to suggest that we would be better off without any opposition for ethical treatment of animals. peta is the number 1 namesake for the cause to promote this proper treatment. your comment is unhelpful with minimal if any insight.
mboundtogether 8 months ago
@mboundtogether Ethic is different from person to person. But focusing on what you're saying: Peta kills about 2/3 of the animals they "save" because they don't want to spend the money saving them, instead they're using their money on domestic terrorists, who're hurting both animals and humans. I don't care how famous an organisation and how many times the word ethical appears in the name: If you're killing that many animals and hurting humans, you do not deserve respect.
ulkien 8 months ago
@ulkien sorry i dont want to get in the way of you dragging the name through the mud of the only group anyone has every heard do anything for animals. before this, all animals were more than likely euthenized. its not like thats their first choice. some of these comments seem like they expect peta to correct every unfortunate circumstance that comes from people's lack of responsibility.
mboundtogether 8 months ago
@mboundtogether What on earth are you talking about? Denmark, where I'm from, has an union called "Dyrenes Beskyttelse" it's from 1875! We had laws from 1857 saying you cannot be cruel to animals. So there goes your first argumentation. Now for the second: I expect PETA to use their money on saving animals instead of using it on killing animals, founding terrorists, lie about animal testing (for medicine) and taking away dogs helping blind people. And They've ethics in their name, pathetic.
ulkien 8 months ago
@ulkien i said well known groups. dont act as if dyrenes beskytelse is as popular (not in usa?). on your second counter you syggest a link with terrorism. this is demagogery and unproven. its sad that you try to fear monger with terrorism, letting the bad word do your arguing for you. if there was proof of this i would have heard it. a lot of these comments talk about how peta goes too far with the sympathy for animals. but if you still disagree, why not show peta how its done by example?
mboundtogether 8 months ago
@mboundtogether You've never read Kant or Locke? Never even heard of ASPCA? (That's the US and over a 100 years before PETA). As for terrorism you should read some of PETA's public budgets (they've to be public as they don't pay taxes), might be surprised in what they've done for ALF over the years, which is a domestic terrorist group according to the FBI. Sympathy for animals don't go around killing animals themselves in the numbers they do. I think I got a hell lot of more "ethics" than PETA.
ulkien 8 months ago
@ulkien i have heard of aspca among others. no on kant/locke. depending on the circumstances i may not care about alf. that certainly is an interesting aproach on how to best deal with animal rights. 'first, we will go and fight the animal rights activists' you declared yourself more ethical than peta. that maybe so but if a person declared themselves more virtuous than the pope, it should be easy to see that people are going to have a problem with that and for fairly obvious reasons.
mboundtogether 8 months ago
@mboundtogether I agree with you. It's a very odd approach I've if we read through my comments. But in reality I do support several animal rights organisations (dyrenes beskyttelse being one) in real life, I just feel like I can spend time on both helping them and exposing PETA for what they're. Bad example with mr Ratzinger, he isn't very virtuous. Anyway, I can declare PETA to be unethical based on evidence and argumentations, that's the point of my saying I got more ethics than them.
ulkien 8 months ago
Actually, we were on that track for a bit when it became popular to refer to someone as "Tiger" You know, "That's a nice ride there, Tiger" or "She's a tiger in the sack"
AIReject 1 year ago
Ah fuck, even he supports those psychos? I never knew that...Bill just lost a lot of respect.
Not imprisoning animals in a zoo for people to stare at them I can understand, but not eating eggs or cheese to live is just dumb bullshit.
1337DementedOne 1 year ago
@1337DementedOne
Explain to me how PETA qualify to be called "psychos".
garethac81 1 year ago
@garethac81 Watch Penn and Teller's "Bullshit" episode on PETA. They explain pretty well. You can probably find it here on youtube. Enjoy.
1337DementedOne 1 year ago