Part 4: The Vaccine-Autism Connection

[elucidatus]

Hello again mjr256!!! You mentioned not to long ago the following:

"As for evidence, here you go. Enjoy:

stanford(dot)edu/~chdant/DANIS­H%20STUDY (dot)html"

How laughable. If you have read in the news lately you would know all about a 2 Million dollar thief by the name of Dr. Paul Thorsen. Dr. Paul Thorsen had a big time part in that study! I guess that study is out the window along with your claims about Dr. Buttar.

[elucidatus]

Hello mjr256!!!!

You will never believe what happened on April 5, 2010!

That's right. Dr. Buttar was cleared of ALL (Let me say that again) ALL CHARGES!!!!!!

All of your posts are now garbage. I respect you as a person but as an investigator hell no! I suggest you you go look for Dr. Paul Thorsen and leave the healing to Dr. Buttar. Laters.

[kabloozie]

FAAPM: Fellow, Amer. Academy of Pain Management ( veterinarians and massage therapists can declare themselves a 'fellow')

DO: Doc. of Osteopathy (admission standards, educational quality are lower at ostep. schools than at medical schools, many DOs practice homeopathy and chelation therapies)

FACAM: Fellow, Amer. College for the Advancement of Medicine: chelation therapy alternative med.

FAAIM: Fellow of the Amer. Assoc. of Integrative Medicine (Alternative Medicine

[armaddajam]

awsome! why havent you recieved the knobel prise? i probably spelt that wrong but my hats off.

[remusvivi]

F U

[mjr256]

Now back to the NC Medical Board's notice:

ALL of Section 11: "Dr. Buttar provided therapies to Patients A, B & C that were unproven & wholly ineffective. The therapies consisted primarily of intravenous administration of a variety of substances, none of which has any known value for the treatment of cancer. The substances included EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid), chromium, certain vitamins & hydrogen-peroxide."

It's on pg 2, written by President Janelle A. Rhyne, M.D. I can continue.

[cabgt]

Yeah, the medical boards are really credible and unbiased. Kinda like the FDA! lol.

[mjr256]

& can you at least now acknowledge the fact that, as I said before, Buttar has indeed been barred from treating children or cancer patients by the medical board bc of malpractice & fraud, & that I made no assumption but presented official documentation of this fact?

"All Patients received frequent, expensive treatments that had no recognized scientific evidence of any validity whatsoever on almost a daily basis w/o any evidence of sustained improvement."

I can keep quoting from the report.

[elucidatus]

He has not been barred from treating children or patients with cancer! Please get your information straight! Go to his website and read it for yourself. He includes all the transcripts from his hearing. That part that you included was something mentioned by an attorney that has no medical background. You are grasping at straws for evidence and you are making a mockery of yourself. He has not been ordered to stop seeing patients. Go back and read it again, or do you need glasses?

[mjr256]

So he's not barred because he says he's not. Did I get that right? I included the actual medical board's official document, along with various reputable sources, none of who are the very person the charges are against. Nor did I merely cut out specific passages to give a false impression. That's absurd.

The ENTIRE DOCUMENT is a list of 24 unique & specific charges. It comes directly from the North Carolina Medical Board. I merely typed out 1 of them. I could retype each & every 1 if you'd like

[elucidatus]

Cutting and pasting from different parts of the transcript to work in your favor is not going to make your argument any stronger! Let me help you. This time include who mentioned that and from which page. You need to be more prepared if you are going to try and pull a fast one on me! Please pretend you are back in school and get your references/notations correct. Don't just throw any quote on here thinking its going to work in your favor! You are not dealing with an amateur young boy.

[elucidatus]

Maybe you should go and ask Gorsky for help.

[mjr256]

Buttar is a fraud who has actually been barred from treating children and cancer patients. He's even admitted that he had no empirical evidence for his claims; he simply "believes" vaccines cause autism despite overwhelming evidence that he is wrong & takes money from desperate parents turning to him for treatments he claims will cause their children to "recover" even though there is no known method for "curing" this condition. Please consult your pediatrician or other medical professional.

[elucidatus]

Dr. Buttar has not been barred from treating children or cancer patients. Please make sure to provide evidence to back up your assumptions. Dear mjr256, its easy to talk about someone in cognito especially online. This man has done more for children with Autism than you have. Just because you read one side of the story does not mean you know it all. Dr. Buttar is not hiding anything from the people. There are issues with the NC Medical Board but they are not for malpractice. Look it up.

[elucidatus]

Dear mjr256,

You asked the people to consult their pediatrician or medical professional? That must be a joke! All parents who consult with their pediatricians get a cold shoulder from them and provide no guidance because they have no idea that they caused the onset to Autism with their USELESS VACCINES! They don't eveb read the side effects to them either. Oh I almost forgot 70% of all pediatricians don't even vaccinate their children but yet they are more than happy to vaccinate yours.

[mjr256]

"All parents who consult with their pediatricians get a cold shoulder from them"

How did you find the time to consult with ALL parents? With the 6.7 billion people on the planet, that must have really cut into your social life.

And what empirical evidence do you have that vaccines cause autism and that they're useless? And where did you get your statistics?

[Marleyites]

Dear Elucidatus: I'm reading this tread btwn you & mjr256 re: Dr. Buttar. I found it while researching the connection btwn autism & vaccines. I changed several thumbs-downs for you; I can't figure why you would be down-thumbed except you're too close to a truth and you speak very well about your topic. My dr office advertises flu shots. I asked the nurse what's in it? she didn't know & handed me vague brochure from the drug rep. It didn't even tell me the name of the actual vaccine. I'm a pushy

[mjr256]

I didn't make any assumptions, only facts. Here's 1 source: sciencebasedmedicine dotorg/?p=105

I've also compiled several others including the official medical board's notice announcing the malpractice hearing last Feb. towards the bottom of the page under the headline "Rashid Buttar" here:

dangeroustalk dotnet/a-team/Vaccines

[elucidatus]

HAHAHA!! You are one of these knuckleheads! Anyways, I actually took the time to read your supposedly science based evidence link that you included and if you would have read it instead of just assuming then you would have noticed that they have no clue what causes Autism but that they can without a doubt say that Vaccines don't cause it but provide no proof. However, they did not include a test that has never been done - vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Perform this test and then come to me.

[mjr256]

You haven't done the research if you think there's no evidence at all for why 99% of the medical world have dismissed the vaccine hypothesis. It'd be 1 thing if you tried to refute the overwhelming evidence that disagrees w/ you but that you won't acknowledge it even exists illustrates you're either ignorant of the science or are being deliberately dishonest. The claim that no studies looked at a control group is a tired & debunked myth & autism is caused by autism genes. It's not a mystery.

[elucidatus]

"The claim that no studies looked at a control group is a tired & debunked myth & autism is caused by autism genes. It's not a mystery. "

Where is your evidence? I need to see that this is a myth! Please prove me wrong. Again, you can talk a good talk but your rambling ons about 99% of the medical world is laughable on all levels. trust me Gorsky would not be happy with your lack of research.

[mjr256]

"Where is your evidence? I need to see that this is a myth! Please prove me wrong. Again, you can talk a good talk but your rambling ons about 99% of the medical world is laughable on all levels. trust me Gorsky would not be happy with your lack of research."

Nor yours. It's spelled G-O-R-S-K-I

As for evidence, here you go. Enjoy:

stanford(dot)edu/~chdant/DANIS­H%20STUDY (dot)html

I look forward to your next excuse.

[Ridd333]

"Gorsky has done the homework & presented the evidence against the vaccine hypothesis on countless occasions..."

"Nor yours. It's spelled G-O-R-S-K-I"

Oh is it?

Hey, mjr256...who signs your paychecks. Lemme at your W-4!

[mjr256]

Congrats Ridd! You're the 1 millionth brainwashed cultist to use the "Big Pharma Shill" gambit because I can point to reputable sources showing you're wrong & because you don't actually understand the science, forcing you to compensate w/ baseless, irresponsible libel.

I've answered every question put to me openly & honestly and have yet to receive the same in return. But keep drinking that Kool-Aid, buddy!

[elucidatus]

By reading more and more of your website it is clear to say that you are being misinformed by a site that has a profound lack of evidence and more an assumption based following. This site reminds me of the David Gorsky site where all he talks about is what he thinks about it and then continues to write about how his day was and then analyze the facts with myths and last include a sarcastic analogy of the topic. Not very science based to me. More of what someone would do if they were lonely.

[mjr256]

Gorsky has done the homework & presented the evidence against the vaccine hypothesis on countless occasions as have many other doctors. It's those who blame vaccines that have yet to present any verifiable and empirical evidence of their position. They've got no reputable studies, immediately dismiss studies that disagree w/ them (i.e. all of them) & consistently broaden their claims as to make their position unfalsifiable. You're gong to have to do better than ad hominems. Where's the evidence?

[Haden1113]

probably look him up in the phone book. I know how to get in touch with God, pray. Those prayers are answered faster and for free. Forget this guy he wants your money isn't it obvious??/

[elucidatus]

Haden, if you can get ahold of god then please ask him to help lambo8diablo in reaching Dr. Buttar sooner than later. Thanks

[Haden1113]

I can always get a hold of God he is our father. He answers prayers and through his blessings I am able to take care of my son.

[lambo8diablo]

whats the best way to get incontact with doctor buttar??

[amiriliano]

Please view my new movie: "Vaccine Myths Episode 1" about vaccine information on You Tube.

Thank you.

[IOImagination]

Steven, do you not have anything better to do? Should you not be taking care of the babies in your practice?

[vaccinesharmbabies]

My friend Sharon's son who became autistic as a result of vaccination reverted back to normal after the vaccine mercury was detoxed from his body. Check out Sharon's comments at the end of my personal profile by clicking on 'vaccinesharmbabies'.

[EnigmAutism]

If I ever get the chance to speak with Dr. Buttar again, I would ask him about the synergistic affects of Mercury and EMFs. If you have a loved one affected by Autism it would be worth your while to investigate EMFs and their suspision in preventing heavy metals from excreting/removal from the brain. This theory could be full of holes but its worth investigating... Good Luck Everyone!

[ABAisSCIENCE]

Who cares if there is holes ! ! ! The question is whether there is even one peer reviewed research article to evaluate it at all. Another question is whether these children are getting a proven treatment like ABA too. If there are any articles I bet the people who published have a lot of fires. Cause their under the gun from the holes.

COULD - laughable. Has he mentioned even one article in all this time?

[timpor]

good job. thanks for the video.

[anthonydecausemaker]

How do I get the lotion or cream to start treating my son?

[konulm]

Hi anthonydecausemaker. I have an autistic son too, so I was wondering if you found out where to get the lotion/cream. Thanks.

[EnigmAutism]

Konulm...

TD-DMPS is not for every child. There is a lot of speculation about TD-DMPS that it just simply does not work. However, if you decide to do TD-DMPS you must find a DAN doctor that will follow a protocol that allows the child to remineralize every other day. TD-DMPS is still dangerous in its topical form. If you are interested go to TDDMPS dot com or simply go to DrButtar dot com. Good Luck.

[nmste]

you need a prescriptiom, it smells like rotten eggs!lol try walking through a store with a screaming child smelling of rotten eggs and codliver oil, lol

[Psilo007]

Keep up the hard work!