Who was the other bishop walking in with Lefevbre at the procession, I thought prior to the consecrations, there were no other traditional bishops but Archbishop Lefevbre?
I trust that this will be resolved as an administrative issue. Despite the baseless hostility of certain liberal factions, the Holy See has been working back towards its previous position of endorsement. Have faith, God will provide.
If SSPX is "schismatic" for ordaining these bishops, then why haven't the commie puppet bishops in China gotten the same harsh treatment and round condemnations? I thought the whole investiture controversy was resolved several centuries ago...
I love the Tridentine Mass and to some extent disagree with some of the VII, however, obedience above all things. One may assume that this may have kept the Latin Mass alive (there were many who retained the practice outside the SSPX) , but at a very high cost. There was nothing Holy about this event, except the Eucharist celebrated. Its flies in the face of every truly catholic principle. Christ has given His promise that the gates of Hades will not prevail and I for one believe that.
@henrikhankhagnell I wonder. I firmly believe that in going against Christ's vicar on earth he will suffer much in purgatory. May our Lord have mercy on those who oppose the Holy Father in matters of Faith and Morals.
@henrikhankhagnell Ainsi-soit-il from what I understand has been the norm in France in the South until the Second World War. It is more a traditional local custom. The same goes to Holy Ghost and Holy spirit.
"The Jews are Enemies of God and Foes of our Holy religion." ~ Padre Pio
"Christ shall be slain, and the people who shall deny Him shall not be His." ~ Daniel 9: 26
'Israel became in very truth unclean themselves; while the Gentiles have become clean, the justice of Israel has become like the rag of a menstruous woman.' ~ St. Basil the Great
'It would be licit, according to custom, to hold the Jews in perpetual servitude because of their crime.'
All are Heretics and apostate. Take that any way you like...
'Crucifiers of Christ ought to be held in continual subjection.' ~ Pope Innocent III
'The Jewish people fell from the heights because of their faithlessness and condemned their Redeemer to a shameful death. '~ Pope St. Pius V (From his Bull, "The Jewish Race," Feb.26, 1569; PAC, p.648
'The Synagogue is a Godless house, a collection of Wickedness, and God Himself has Damned it.'
@StSimonMartyr I have my disagreements with liberal Jews politically,but I won't condemn all....There are plenty of liberal Catholics and Protestants who have done their share of damage to America and the West....
There is NO Such thing as a liberal Catholic.. One is either a practicing Catholic or a heretic.
Most 'liberal' Catholics are themselves Marrano or Crypto Jews, Jews that profess Catholiccism but secretly keep TALMUD. Its why there was an Inquisition.
Protest-ants destroyed America, Killed off 20 Million US Indians, with help of Jew Jacob Amhearst and worked to pass Abortion Roe V Wade With Jews in 1973
@StSimonMartyr I hardly think that allegedly liberal Catholics consider themselves secret Jews.Heretical they probably are and liberal Jews have done their share of damage to Western Civilization,but I can't condemn all Jews because I disagree with them theologically....
'Own countrymen the same things those churches Suffered from the Jews, who Both Killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove out us, and pleased Not God, and are Adversaries to All men'
@StSimonMartyr You're not going to win many converts by calling people "imbeciles"....I could also quote from the Bible about how those who honor and support the Jewish people will be blessed by God,and those who don't will be cursed.Don't condemn all members of one group.
@StSimonMartyr You're not going to win many converts by calling people "imbeciles"....I could also quote from the Bible about how those who honor and support the Jewish people will be blessed by God,and those who don't will be cursed.Don't condemn all members of one group.
'You belong to your Father, the Devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a Murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is No truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a Liar and the father of lies.'
@StSimonMartyr John 8:44, rewind back to John 8:13 an imbecile can see that Jesus was talking to the Pharisees. However your old man, the devil has given you the gift of insane and sickening exegesis. Salvation is of the Jews John 4:22 what part of that can you not fathom? On the Cross Jesus said forgive them for they know not what they do, only those who wanted Him crucified not "all" Jews, how foolish to think so. Look at the 1st century JEWISH converts in the book of ACTS that converted
Salvation is OF Christ, His blood, our Works and our Faith..not a group of Asian Mongols from Khazaria that stole Palestine via Rothschild and Balfour (England) from the Christians and Muslims living there.
'CRUCIFY HIM, HIS BLOOD BE UPON US AND OUR CHILDREN!
Its pretty self explanatory except for shills and morons.
@StSimonMartyr I beg to differ, He was clearly speaking to the Pharisees, which is why it says He was talking to the Pharisees in john 8:13. If you had the ability to read Acts 2:36 you will see that these same Jews who supported Christs death got saved with the three thousand in verse 41. Or will you make up some MAD heresy to sway your way out of that one also : ) (Moron : ) Ha Ha Salvations of works : ) Ha Ha Titus 3:5 Eph 2:8 Romans 1:17 (salvation is from faith, begining to end) Gal 2:16
John Chapter 8 – as Christ damns the Jews ( NOT JUST THE HIGH PRIESTS AND Pharisees – see below)
“Ye do the deeds of your father (the devil). If God were your father. ye would love me; for I proceed forth and came from God: neither came I of myself, but He sent me.”
That this SATANIC FATHERHOOD cannot be limited to the Pharisees is MADE CLEAR in 1 Jn 3;8-10 & MT 23:15
“You serpents, you Generation of Vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?” (Jesus– to the Jews; in MT 23:33)
@StSimonMartyr Matt 23:33 Yet again Jesus clearly speaking to the Pharisees. I never said only the Pharisees were acursed. Everyone who does not believe that Jesus is the Christ will be lost John 3:16-18. Yet again You ignore Acts 2:39 for the mentally challanged the promise of salvation is also to Jews, do you suffer from dyslexia? I will spell it out for you.Vs39 The promise (of salvation what else) is to you and your children. Christianity would have not taken off if Jews were not being saved
@StSimonMartyr Replacement theology misrepresents God as one who breaks His promises. If God breaks His promises, then how is one to know his salvation is secure (which is the whole point of Romans 9-11)? How may the church know that God will not find a people to replace it for the great sins it has committed?
@StSimonMartyr You haven't commented on any of those Bible verses I sent you because you are a complete Heretic and non Christian. You cannot support your worthless racist point of view using scripture. You just twist to your own destruction a few obvious scriptures taken out of context and hung on there own their own, out to dry, from the blood from off your hating hands. Dave Hunt writes well in :A Woman Rides the Beast, concerning your heretic "church"
@StSimonMartyr According to you It would make no difference if I repented being Jewish,fool. However I am not Jewish and there are many saved Jews including those 1st century Jews in Acts chapter 2 (Blind StsimonMuppet) A real Christian would obey Jesus and pray for his enemy you just go the extra mile in hate, which is why your heretic point of view is easily exposed : ) very easy to see your folly. I'l waste no more time with you, just let the viewers laugh at your ignorance
@StSimonMartyr No one individual is responsible for other peoples actions, such as secular Israel. However I will quote a verse from a very well known Jew that got saved well after Pentacost. Romans 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel for it is the power of God onto salvation, for the (who first?) the JEW, and then the gentiles. Which is visible, may God remove Satans scales from your eyes. (Love, you don't even know the meaning of the word, just read back upon all your replies) So funny, "love"
@StSimonMartyr Does your "love" for your fellow man include hating on them, calling them names like imbeciles and so on. Your a self righteous modern day blind Pharisee. With your false gospel of works and sacraments. Christ died on the Cross once for all, which is why He said "it is finished" ?John 19:30 He dies NO more Romans6:9 and is living in His eternal body which cannot die hence does Not dwell in tabernacles ACTS 17:24-25 YES... His sacrifice was a full propitiatory atonement. Heb 10:18
@StSimonMartyr You forget that the Bible says All who call upon the name of the Lord ,WILL be saved. Again that is ALL, Rom 10:13. And for the intellectually challanged, Those who do not believe will remain condemned. Not all Jews are condemned, as the bible clearly states. John 3:17-18. I can mention some vile and filth within the Catholic Church but we all know about the poor little children at the hands of vile priests, or the history of the "papacy' which plays out like a sick soap on tv.
@StSimonMartyr Was Paul a Jew, Yes, did He kill Christians, Yes, Was He saved after Jesus statement to the Pharisees in John ch 8, Yes, Then what in God's name are you TRYING to prove? Not all Jews are condemned. Satan really has done a job on your hard ignorant heart that you deny scriptural testimony. Works and sacraments, No. Gal 2:16, Titus 3:5, Rom 1:17, If it is of works then grace is nolonger grace Rom 3:28, 5:1, 4:4-5, 2Tim 1;9. If works could "earn" grace Christ died in vain Gal 2:20-21
@StSimonMartyr Didn't Paul reject Christ then repent, something you should do also. Scripture points to No "pope," Peter who claimed to be a fellow elder not supreme pontiff 1Peter 5:1-2, The Rock is always God, Psalm 18:31 Isaiah 44:8 indeed there is no other Rock, Yes thank you Lord. Matt 7:24 the man who builds His house upon Jesus as Peter did when he confessed Jesus as the Christ, Jesus said on this Rock ,that he was Messiah, people would be saved (Acts 10:43, 8:37, 16:30-31, Rom 10:9-10)
@StSimonMartyr Jesus said you are Peter and upon this Rock (Me the Messiah) I will build my church upon. Hence the question, who do people say that ( I AM ) the great ,I AM, God... People are not saved by trusting in a church, or "pope" people are saved trusting in Christ and Him alone do we serve (Not Mary or a poluted church full of perverts) /watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&feature=related This video might show you your hating brothers the radical muslims.. Do you Answer nothing on Paul, I though so
@StSimonMartyr Yeh! and you heard this where, and seen these statistics where! so pathetic.. And still no answer on Paul's conversion, you sure are a Jew hater, its a wonder you believe in and Love our dear Lord the way you compose yourself. Paul was a first century Jewish convert and you answer nothing ?
@StSimonMartyr LoL's one needs to read their bible more often and stop quoting from heretic sources.Had you of believed God's word you would have repented long ago. The verses are so clear you are either ignorant or a fool. You answer nothing in defense of these clear verses, this is natural when you corner a heretic. Say nothing in defense but keep spewing out garb. (No bible verses in defense) So I say repent again.
@StSimonMartyr Funny quoting from that old heretic, Pio, that necromancer. Ish 8:19 Have you ever read about all those 1st century Jewish converts in the book of Acts? There were thousands and there still are thousands of them today.JewsforJesuso/r/g.. Not all God's promised children are condemned. Pio was a very sick man, with those self inflicted wounds of his. His blood could atone for absolutely nothing, however Christs blood clenses us from ALL sin 1 John 1:7.
It is known that the Jewish people are Polluted with Wickedness, blasphemy, and the Shedding of the Blood of Jesus Christ so that their wickedness has No limit. ~ St. Felix of Toledo ("On the Condemnation of the Jews," Council XVII of Toledo, Spain, Canon No. 8; PAC, p376
Jews are slayers of Our Lord, Murderers of the prophets, Enemies and Haters of God, Adversaries of grace, enemies of their fathers' faith, advocates of the devil!
@StSimonMartyr It is also known that you are a sinner in the eyes of God Romans 3:23 and can only be saved via faith in Christ. (Acts 8:37, 10:43, 16:31-32) Romans 10:9-10) the only pollution I see is the spew coming out of your hatered for God's people. Jesus said salvation is of the Jews friend : ) John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews, Jesus Christ....
@StSimonMartyr Rom 11:1,11,(Rom 7:7May it never be!) I think NOT. Romans 3:4,6 May it never be! .Paul follows his emphatic response with, for I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. What is his point? If God had rejected Israel as His covenant people, then every Israelite would be disqualified from the possibility of being saved; yet he is an Israelite who is saved, and that proves that God has not rejected His people.
"I am a priest who for over ten years collaborated in a work that became a notable harm to the Catholic Faith.
I wish now to Apologize before God and the Church and to Renounce decisively my personal sharing in that damaging project.
I am speaking of translating the new Post-Vatican II Latin liturgy into the English language, when I was a member of the Advisory Board of the (I.C.E.L.)."
It waters down the doctrine that the Eucharist is a true Sacrifice."
@StSimonMartyr So does Hebrews 10:18 and John 19:30 And Romans 6:9.. Nor does Christ dwell in any man made tabernacle Acts 17:24-25... Not served by Human hands..... Especially sinful ones...
Scribes and Pharisees (Jews) were a considerable hindrance to the salvation of the people, both because they opposed Christ's doctrine, which was the only way to salvation, and also because their evil ways corrupted the morals of the people. ~ St. Thomas Aquinas
Judaism, is a corruption; Judas is the image of the Jewish people: their understanding of Scripture is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Savior, for through their fathers they have killed Christ. ~ St. Augustine
Ahh I love the truths found within Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the Sacred Magesterium... unlike the SSPX where its simply, Sacred Tradition, Sacred Tradition, and Sacred Tradition... I think the SSPX can be given the Episcopalian title "protestant yet catholic"
If a trial of rehabilitation absolved Joan of Arc, now recognized as a Saint, surely a trial of rehabilitation of Mons. Lefebvre, the St. Athanasius of the 20th century, is also possible, as is his canonization. He had just cause to act as he acted, and one day the administrative acts that imposed sanctions on him without judicial trial will be annuled by the Holy See. The Holy See has this power, just like she removed from the memory of the Church the excommunications of the Orthodox.
albanman -will not let me answer his questions which I can clearly - when he hears the truth he reject it anyway- He fights fervently against the traditions of the Church and pretends to be a "good Catholic"- and the Novus Ordo supporter exposes himself when you see him favoriting a video "guys kissing".??( oh yes, but there is nothing wrong with now in his eyes!).He claims he know ancient Greek - I wonder if he can translate for us if Jesus said "For you and for all men"??
@rooizilver. The main problem remains: No evidence. Assuming that you were right and a pope (other than John XXIII) had been elected what evidence is there that it was Siri? None. What evidence that Siri's family were threatened? None, even now that the Kremlin's archives are open. Too much conjecture based on the writings of Malachy Martin. The theory holds as much water as those in Dan Brown's "Da Vinci Code" -theories that many believe in spite of Brown saying the book is fiction. God bless.
rooizliver: Interesting theory. It falls because: (a) there is no evidence that Siri was elected (b) Importantly, Siri never claimed election (c) who+where are these cardinals+new pope? (d) your theory would nullify the promise of Christ +Vatican I's teaching regarding infallibilty in matters of faith and morals (e) What authority says the End of Times is soon? - pure Protestantism. (f) Christ Himself says that no-one knows when the end will be Matt 24:36. Siri would be furious at this theory
@rooizilver If you believe the words of Christ that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church; if you believe that the Holy Spirit guides theChurch and that the the pope is the Vicar of Christ; if you believe that ecumenical councils cannot err in matters of faith or morals, then you must believe in the validity of the Ordinary Form and that post Vatican II ordination's are valid. Lefebvre was a good and holy man but he broke communion with the Vicar of Christ. He was wrong to do so
@albanman@albanman - No , Archbishop Leferbvre saw what was taking place. He saw the damage the smoke of Satan was about to make. Pray for the Pope because he has taught Jesus is not in the blessed sacrament, That Jesus didnt found One Holy Catholic and apostolic Church, but One to include heritics. He has also Prayed , as John Paul II with the Jews for the coming of the Messiah- "Apostles called the antichrist. Fatima - Apostasy will begin at the top. Ecumenism has always been condemned!
@helenw100 You say that the pope taught that Christ is not present in the Blessed Sacrament or that Christ did not found the Catholic Church: where is the evidence for the disgraceful accusations you make? Evidence, not speculation. Vatican I made a clear declaration that in matters of faith and morals, the pope cannot - cannot - err. You cannot accept Vatican I and then believe what you've said.
How sad. Lefebre led these people into schism from the Hoy See. Their clergy do not have jurisdiction to hear confessions or celebrate the sacrament of matrimony; thus, any absolutions their priests give are invalid as is the sacramentality of any marriage ceremony performed. Dissention is dissention whether it be from liberals or conservatives like these in Econe.
@rooizilver Of course in the end Mary will triumph over us, and the Sedevacantist heresy will be overcome. Peter the Roman? King of France? are you reffering to a prophecy of Nostradamus or a forgery done in the name of Malachy? Either which, the rites today are valid as the Traditional forms.
@rooizilver if believe that no apostolic succession is conferred by the rites today, then you probably believe that Christ was a liar when he said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church.... (thnx for listening to my argument though...)
@rooizilver yes, the words of institution are changed, but this is not a literal translation of the words found in the bible. so therefore, we consider the mass of paul vi valid because the epiclesis is stronger (compared to the tridentine form), the ESSENTIAL WORDS: "THIS IS MY BODY, & THIS IS MY BLOOD" are found in the words of consecration. the mass is valid mainly because the epiclesis is present, and the words of institution are substantially correct.
@rooizilver the new rite is as valid as the pre-vatican ii rite on grounds that the consecrations are perpetuated with: a valid intention, physical contact during imposition of the hands, and that it is a catholic rite, and therefore is considered valid. so, youre probably saying that the rites of the eastern orthodox churches are invalid because they use a variety of languages besides Latin? No! long before the council of trent, consecrations were done without the splendor of tridentine rites.
@lithopoonwit Archbishop LeFebvre is no longer considered a valid Catholic bishop; his excommunication has not been lifted. The 4 surviving bishops had their excommunication lifted last year, so they are again valid bishops.
It is possible that LeFebvre will have his excommunication lifted sometime in the future, posthumously, but as of now he is not recognized as having been a valid bishop of the Catholic Church.
@kevinwbrowning You are wrong as regards the lifting of excommunication of Lefebre. Yes, it is true that the decree did not explicitly say that Lefebre's excommunication was lifted, but, the lifting of the excommunication of Lefebre and the other bishop was actually there. The language was so carefully crafted that it misses the attention of most readers.
@kevinwbrowning Here is the conclusion of the decree: "I remit of Bishops Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson, and Alfonso de Galarreta the censure of latae sententiae excommunication declared by this Congregation on July 1, 1988, while I declare deprived of any juridical effect, from the present date, the Decree emanated at that time." With this decree, the juridical effect of the former was withdrawn.
@kevinwbrowning YOu see, Lefebre and the rest who were excommunicated by virtue of the decree on July 1, 1988 were rehabilitated without mentioning their names.
Conclusion: Lefebre is is a valid bishop of the Catholic Church.
@lichtbroeder The Church is a community - guided, we trust, by the Holy Spirit. The assurance that you are part of this community is that your Bishop is in communion with the Holy See. If your Bishop is in opposition to the Holy See - in other words protesting against what it has promulgated - it is difficult to see how you can call yourself Catholic..
@EtEgoInArcade Based on my comment, you assume that I can't call myself a Catholic? Really? I happen to agree with you totally. My comment wasn't about "legitimacy" . It was about "behavior". We still see clap happy priests and laity who treat veneration of the Virgin Mary, saints and relics, as being "old fashioned"; who are so casual in the Eucharist as to be disrespectful; and who water down everything or 'edit" - like Protestants.
@lichtbroeder Sorry - the 'you/your' was generic and not meant to imply anything about you personally. My point is that the liturgy in the video 'appears' Catholic but it isn't 'actually' Catholic because the participants have separated themselves from, and are opposed to, the Church. It is a less authentic celebration than Fr Joe Bloggs' folk Mass down the road, excruciating though that may be, because Fr. Joe and his congregation are still part of the Church.
@lichtbroeder Sorry - the 'you/your' was generic and not meant to imply anything about you personally. My point is that the liturgy in the video 'appears' Catholic but it isn't 'actually' Catholic because the participants have separated themselves from, and are opposed to, the Church. It is a less authentic celebration than Fr Joe Bloggs' folk Mass down the road, excruciating though that may be, because Fr. Joe and his congregation are still part of the Church.
Well they protest against the teaching of Church, they have separated themselves from the Church in schism, and they deny the authority of an Ecumenical Council and of the successor of Peter. Spookily reminiscent of all that fuss back in the 16th century wouldn’t you say?
You should make some more careful distinctions. They do not protest against the "teaching" of the Church, but against recent non-dogmatic pastoral policies; for example, the Church in the Middle Ages had the policy of expelling Jews. If a bishop disagreed with this, he would not therefore oppose the "teaching" of the Church. If you check out their website you will discover that they declare their loyalty to Pope Benedict, so they don't deny that he's the successor of Peter.
I don't buy that argument myself, but for an interesting discussion about the pastoral nature of the Council see - spirit-of-trent.blogspot.com and then the page "was-vatican-ii-merely-pastoral-council".
They also don't deny that Vatican II is an ecumenical council, but say that its otherwise authoritative teaching can be legitimately disobeyed if it is gravely harmful to souls, since they're not disobeying any dogmas, and several Doctors of the Church recognise the possibility of disobedience to authority if the authority is trying to undermine the faith (as did St. Athanasius, who was excommunicated).
This kind of 'tradition' is not a religious faith, but merely an ideology, a historical and relative artefact of humankind (not of God). In the contrary, it is a ridiculous and pathetic theatre play ;)
@2006druid The word "religion" comes from the Latin word "religio" (hard "g") meaning to "reconnect" or "rebind". Religious traditions, ritual, "theatre", etc. are embodiments of inner truths which allow us to unite to one another, and to "reconnect" to God, the saints, and in some sense our ancestors, who worshiped in the same way. Those very traditions in part united the Polish people under Communism, and brought freedom to Poland. (As you also posted in Polish, I thought I'd mention this.)
This kind of 'tradition' is not a religious faith, but merely an ideology, a historical and relative artefact of humankind (not of God). In the contrary, it is a ridiculous and pathetic theatre play ;)
"Tradycja" nie jest wiarą, jest ideologią, historycznym, przejściowym produktem człowieka. Śmieszny teatr.
I hope that our pope will celebrate this mass in saint peter's and that this courageous bishop might be a saint soon well he is a saint to me already.
@twoholyheartsamdg Our Lady predicted Vatican II and the apostasy of the Church (from within). Get your facts straight. This is real Catholicism, not the Protestant Novus Ordo with its hand shaking abuses.
Archbishop Lefebvre is truly a Roman Catholic Hero who preserved the traditions of the Catholic Church and the Latin Mass. He made no changes but only followed the traditions that were always taught. Merci, Merci, may your soul rest in peace!
Archbishop Leferbvre was the saving grace sent from God in this the period of the separation of the sheep from the goats. Thank you Archbishop for giving us saintly priests and Bishops.
@ajedrez77 If you're going to be critical of the Society, at least start by giving proper abbreviations. I have never known the Society of St. Pius X to be labeled as the SSFX. In North America the common notation is SSPX, however, the most proper abbreviation is FSSPX (which is latin for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X).
The terrible and tragic error in the Catholic Church since Vatican II and its errors was to deny the faithful to be able to participate in the Tradentine Mass along with the Novus Ordo Mass.
I also believe that the abuses of the Novus Ordo took away the Sacredness for the Holy Sacredness of the Mass confusing and loosing many Catholics bringing terrible consequences.
I wonder if Lefebrev was not experiencing some kind of hidden vanity to be better than everybody else or at least some of his brother bishops, and have the fantasy to be even consider a saint by some.
I don't agree with the liberalism within the Catholic Church but I don't think it is wise to trust blindly archbishop Lefebrev.
I also won't believe that SSFX don't face problems with maybe some men repressing their homosexuality we human beings are fall all the time.
Sometimes when we repress who we are whether we are sinners of any kind or too strict or too severe or we hide something we want to keep secret we become too rigid and that way we run the danger of becoming judgemental with the excuse that if I am able to repress my sins so should everybody else and so I have a right to condemn others.
@ajedrez77 Show me where the SSPX urges its faithful to "repress" sins. It sounds like you are being judgmental of a Society that is doing the best it can under difficult circumstances. How does accusing the Society of these problems (which are unsubstantiated) give credit to your argument? What is it that you are trying to prove by this ridiculous argument? Being faithful Catholics, the priests of the SSPX undoubtedly encourage frequent confession.
@ajedrez77 Furthermore, what good Catholic priest would ever encourage his parishioners to repress sin, especially a mortal sin (when this means the eternal damnation of the soul in question)? What are you trying to say by the fact that "we all sin?" Well of course we all sin, and some, unfortunately, fall into mortal sin, this is not confined to the SSPX but to the Catholic Church as a whole. The remedy for sin is confession, and that is for all Catholics.
I love the tradition in the Church but I don't believe in hypocracy and the reality is that SSFX are too rigid and the reality is that the Church couldn't stay in the 1950's we all sin and the Church had to change with the times.
I'm not saying that change should bring Apostasy but it cannot stay so unrealistically rigid.
@ajedrez77 If you read documents and hear of actual accounts from the priests of the SSPX, they have no intention of returning to the 1950s, such an accusation is false. They desire, like any true Catholic to bring Holy Mother Church out of the crisis that She is currently in.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Matthew 15:3, 6, 7 "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? [Y]e made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites."
"The "Mass" you guys are "ding" only came into being at Trent."
Ignorant rubbish.
en .wikipedia. org /wiki/ Pre-Tridentine_Mass #Roman_Missal_before_1570_and_precedents (without spaces)
Look up the pre-Trent missal, you won't find a single difference between that and the Tridentine Missal. That's because the 1570 missal was merely a codification of what had gone for centuries, eliminating abuses that had been cropping up.
6. Yes, we have condifence Our Lord will save us, but if you think that means you can go on sinning thinking you'll be saved, you've not read the Bible.
if this is how God i going to accept his saints on the last day, I bet u there will be queue in heaven that some will get tired and decide to turn back to go to hell!!!
Thank you :-( for this comment...i am seminarian...and i also go to the traditional mass....but FSSPX is not the church....inside the fraternity you have a lot of crazy priests and also bishops Williamson for example!!!
Ecumenism is not Catholic. John himself, the Apostle of love, who seems to reveal in his Gospel the secrets of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and who never ceased to impress on the memories of his followers the new commandment "Love one another," alogether forbid any intercourse with those who professed a mutilated and corrupt version of Christ's teaching: "If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house, nor say to him: God speed you."
Second Vatican Council was under Satan's influence, it completely destroyed 1000 years mission of the Catholic Church and new laws were rewrite with the help of Protestants, no wonder why many of the reformators were freemasons.
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The fact of the matter actually is really simple : Lefevre and his thugs enter in a voluntary and open disobedience to the Bishop of Rome. As Catholic [ if you really are one ] know, that in order to be one, you must be in communion with the Bishop of Rome and with your local Bishop. There's no way out of that. You probably will not agree with him [ the Pope ] in a lot of issues, that is ok. You don't have to agree with him in everything.
I praise God for using you to upload this video .. I've been always intrigued and amazed with Bishop Lefebvre now at least I saw his countenance and how he conducted this Bisphoric Ordination .. thanks God the Traditonal Catholic Chruch is still alive confirmed by Sucession of St. Peter till the end of the world ..
I have to thank God for this, that pope Benedict XVI allows the traditional latin mass again altough the Vatican II canceled a holly mass indeed unlike the new one. God bless everyone!
Secondly, Bishop Williamson is not our only bishop. He is not the head of the order, like Bishop Fellay who is the Superior General, but he was previously the rector of the Seminary in Argentina. He had a person
BEATOS MONSEÑORES MARCEL LEFEBVRE Y ANTONIO DE CASTRO-MEYER. ¡GRACIAS PRO SU VALENTÍA, GRACIAS POR SALVAR LA IGLESIA!
moonito0 3 days ago
Merci, monseigneur!
antoniobasto 4 days ago
what hymn is being sung at 12:38 ?
arrysortanez 1 week ago
@arrysortanez Veni Creator Spiritus.
AdversusHaereses 1 week ago
It takes 3 bishops to consecrate one bishop
AbptvQueensny 3 weeks ago
Who was the other bishop walking in with Lefevbre at the procession, I thought prior to the consecrations, there were no other traditional bishops but Archbishop Lefevbre?
HomeSkillet489 3 weeks ago
I trust that this will be resolved as an administrative issue. Despite the baseless hostility of certain liberal factions, the Holy See has been working back towards its previous position of endorsement. Have faith, God will provide.
tiffanythecatholic 3 weeks ago
W San Pio X
ReginaFamiliae 1 month ago
Jews are the synagogue of Satan, the Jewry will rally the Antechrist against the faithfuls.
Jews are foreign parasites that made the Freemasonry to control the world trough Revolutions and NWO.
We must erase the capitalo-marxist revolutionary ideology from Europe !
Glory to Cathelineau, Franco, Pétain, Salazar !
3MostHolyTrinity3 2 months ago
I AM JESUS, I AM THE 666 IN REVELATION...
ulived1969 2 months ago
If SSPX is "schismatic" for ordaining these bishops, then why haven't the commie puppet bishops in China gotten the same harsh treatment and round condemnations? I thought the whole investiture controversy was resolved several centuries ago...
124HVY 5 months ago 5
I love the Tridentine Mass and to some extent disagree with some of the VII, however, obedience above all things. One may assume that this may have kept the Latin Mass alive (there were many who retained the practice outside the SSPX) , but at a very high cost. There was nothing Holy about this event, except the Eucharist celebrated. Its flies in the face of every truly catholic principle. Christ has given His promise that the gates of Hades will not prevail and I for one believe that.
gsharp881 6 months ago in playlist More videos from trady
why "Ainsi soit-il" instead of Amem?
Marcel Lefebvre, priez pour nous.
henrikhankhagnell 6 months ago
@henrikhankhagnell I wonder. I firmly believe that in going against Christ's vicar on earth he will suffer much in purgatory. May our Lord have mercy on those who oppose the Holy Father in matters of Faith and Morals.
gsharp881 6 months ago in playlist More videos from trady
@gsharp881 please explain.
henrikhankhagnell 6 months ago
@henrikhankhagnell Ainsi-soit-il from what I understand has been the norm in France in the South until the Second World War. It is more a traditional local custom. The same goes to Holy Ghost and Holy spirit.
AdversusHaereses 5 months ago
"The Jews are Enemies of God and Foes of our Holy religion." ~ Padre Pio
"Christ shall be slain, and the people who shall deny Him shall not be His." ~ Daniel 9: 26
'Israel became in very truth unclean themselves; while the Gentiles have become clean, the justice of Israel has become like the rag of a menstruous woman.' ~ St. Basil the Great
'It would be licit, according to custom, to hold the Jews in perpetual servitude because of their crime.'
~ St. Aquinas
StSimonMartyr 7 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Are you trying to condemn all Jews?
Robo1415 7 months ago
All are Heretics and apostate. Take that any way you like...
'Crucifiers of Christ ought to be held in continual subjection.' ~ Pope Innocent III
'The Jewish people fell from the heights because of their faithlessness and condemned their Redeemer to a shameful death. '~ Pope St. Pius V (From his Bull, "The Jewish Race," Feb.26, 1569; PAC, p.648
'The Synagogue is a Godless house, a collection of Wickedness, and God Himself has Damned it.'
~ St. Ambrose (PAC, p.642
StSimonMartyr 7 months ago
@StSimonMartyr I have my disagreements with liberal Jews politically,but I won't condemn all....There are plenty of liberal Catholics and Protestants who have done their share of damage to America and the West....
Robo1415 7 months ago
ALL Jews ARE Condemned BY God, BY Christ Himself.
There is NO Such thing as a liberal Catholic.. One is either a practicing Catholic or a heretic.
Most 'liberal' Catholics are themselves Marrano or Crypto Jews, Jews that profess Catholiccism but secretly keep TALMUD. Its why there was an Inquisition.
Protest-ants destroyed America, Killed off 20 Million US Indians, with help of Jew Jacob Amhearst and worked to pass Abortion Roe V Wade With Jews in 1973
StSimonMartyr 7 months ago
@StSimonMartyr I hardly think that allegedly liberal Catholics consider themselves secret Jews.Heretical they probably are and liberal Jews have done their share of damage to Western Civilization,but I can't condemn all Jews because I disagree with them theologically....
Robo1415 5 months ago
Crucify Him. His blood be upon us and our children.
Matt 27:25
'Own countrymen the same things those churches Suffered from the Jews, who Both Killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove out us, and pleased Not God, and are Adversaries to All men'
TH 2:15
"The Jews are enemies of God and foes of our holy religion." ~ Padre Pio
Crucifiers of Christ ought to be held in continual subjection. ~ Pope Innocent III
Wake UP you imbecile!!!! Its all there, visit my Website on my channel
StSimonMartyr 5 months ago
@StSimonMartyr You're not going to win many converts by calling people "imbeciles"....I could also quote from the Bible about how those who honor and support the Jewish people will be blessed by God,and those who don't will be cursed.Don't condemn all members of one group.
Robo1415 5 months ago
@StSimonMartyr You're not going to win many converts by calling people "imbeciles"....I could also quote from the Bible about how those who honor and support the Jewish people will be blessed by God,and those who don't will be cursed.Don't condemn all members of one group.
Robo1415 5 months ago
Imbecile..Read and Study
'You belong to your Father, the Devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a Murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is No truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a Liar and the father of lies.'
-Jesus to Jewry, All Jews collectively
JN 8:44
StSimonMartyr 5 months ago
@StSimonMartyr John 8:44, rewind back to John 8:13 an imbecile can see that Jesus was talking to the Pharisees. However your old man, the devil has given you the gift of insane and sickening exegesis. Salvation is of the Jews John 4:22 what part of that can you not fathom? On the Cross Jesus said forgive them for they know not what they do, only those who wanted Him crucified not "all" Jews, how foolish to think so. Look at the 1st century JEWISH converts in the book of ACTS that converted
MMr7777 4 months ago
Jesus was addressing ALL of Jewry in John 8
Salvation is OF Christ, His blood, our Works and our Faith..not a group of Asian Mongols from Khazaria that stole Palestine via Rothschild and Balfour (England) from the Christians and Muslims living there.
'CRUCIFY HIM, HIS BLOOD BE UPON US AND OUR CHILDREN!
Its pretty self explanatory except for shills and morons.
Go away and repent, Jew heretic.
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr I beg to differ, He was clearly speaking to the Pharisees, which is why it says He was talking to the Pharisees in john 8:13. If you had the ability to read Acts 2:36 you will see that these same Jews who supported Christs death got saved with the three thousand in verse 41. Or will you make up some MAD heresy to sway your way out of that one also : ) (Moron : ) Ha Ha Salvations of works : ) Ha Ha Titus 3:5 Eph 2:8 Romans 1:17 (salvation is from faith, begining to end) Gal 2:16
MMr7777 4 months ago
John Chapter 8 – as Christ damns the Jews ( NOT JUST THE HIGH PRIESTS AND Pharisees – see below)
“Ye do the deeds of your father (the devil). If God were your father. ye would love me; for I proceed forth and came from God: neither came I of myself, but He sent me.”
That this SATANIC FATHERHOOD cannot be limited to the Pharisees is MADE CLEAR in 1 Jn 3;8-10 & MT 23:15
“You serpents, you Generation of Vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?” (Jesus– to the Jews; in MT 23:33)
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Matt 23:33 Yet again Jesus clearly speaking to the Pharisees. I never said only the Pharisees were acursed. Everyone who does not believe that Jesus is the Christ will be lost John 3:16-18. Yet again You ignore Acts 2:39 for the mentally challanged the promise of salvation is also to Jews, do you suffer from dyslexia? I will spell it out for you.Vs39 The promise (of salvation what else) is to you and your children. Christianity would have not taken off if Jews were not being saved
MMr7777 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Replacement theology misrepresents God as one who breaks His promises. If God breaks His promises, then how is one to know his salvation is secure (which is the whole point of Romans 9-11)? How may the church know that God will not find a people to replace it for the great sins it has committed?
MMr7777 4 months ago
Israel and Jewry was given a DIVORCE By God for Their lack of Faith and Rejecting the Covenant given to them. They are Damned.
Practicing Catholic, Trads, Are NOW God's Chosen.
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr You haven't commented on any of those Bible verses I sent you because you are a complete Heretic and non Christian. You cannot support your worthless racist point of view using scripture. You just twist to your own destruction a few obvious scriptures taken out of context and hung on there own their own, out to dry, from the blood from off your hating hands. Dave Hunt writes well in :A Woman Rides the Beast, concerning your heretic "church"
MMr7777 4 months ago
Repent, Apostate Jew...
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr According to you It would make no difference if I repented being Jewish,fool. However I am not Jewish and there are many saved Jews including those 1st century Jews in Acts chapter 2 (Blind StsimonMuppet) A real Christian would obey Jesus and pray for his enemy you just go the extra mile in hate, which is why your heretic point of view is easily exposed : ) very easy to see your folly. I'l waste no more time with you, just let the viewers laugh at your ignorance
MMr7777 4 months ago
The TALMUD and Apartheid State of Israel are real proof of Hate-Hate on the part of Jewry.
I actually love all men, including heretics and apostates, and pray for them as well as offering prayers for the blind and Perfidious Jews.
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr No one individual is responsible for other peoples actions, such as secular Israel. However I will quote a verse from a very well known Jew that got saved well after Pentacost. Romans 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel for it is the power of God onto salvation, for the (who first?) the JEW, and then the gentiles. Which is visible, may God remove Satans scales from your eyes. (Love, you don't even know the meaning of the word, just read back upon all your replies) So funny, "love"
MMr7777 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Does your "love" for your fellow man include hating on them, calling them names like imbeciles and so on. Your a self righteous modern day blind Pharisee. With your false gospel of works and sacraments. Christ died on the Cross once for all, which is why He said "it is finished" ?John 19:30 He dies NO more Romans6:9 and is living in His eternal body which cannot die hence does Not dwell in tabernacles ACTS 17:24-25 YES... His sacrifice was a full propitiatory atonement. Heb 10:18
MMr7777 4 months ago
You forget that Zio Jews Mock, Blaspheme and Attack Christ daily with their Lies, Mockery and assaults on HIM and our way of life.
'CRUCIFY HIM, HIS BLOOD BE UPON US AND OUR CHILDREN!' speaks for itself.
Not to mentkion the Vile and filth in the Jewish TALMUD.
The website on my channel is also advised to learn of the Blind and perfidious Jews.
One might also care to read THE PLOT AGAINST THE CHURCH by Maurice Pinay-Its online and free.
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr You forget that the Bible says All who call upon the name of the Lord ,WILL be saved. Again that is ALL, Rom 10:13. And for the intellectually challanged, Those who do not believe will remain condemned. Not all Jews are condemned, as the bible clearly states. John 3:17-18. I can mention some vile and filth within the Catholic Church but we all know about the poor little children at the hands of vile priests, or the history of the "papacy' which plays out like a sick soap on tv.
MMr7777 4 months ago
Jews Deny Christ and the Covenant, therefore they are Outside of Salvation and Hellbound.
The POPE is NOT God.
There have been over 40 Anti Popes throughout history of 2000 years.
Our Salvation comes not from the Pope, but from our Works, Graces, Faith and Sacraments.
The Pope is our shepherd however.
Protest-ants and Jew Rabbis have far more scandal and crime on their hands with regard to children than the Catholic priesthood.
Be gone, apostate Jew
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Was Paul a Jew, Yes, did He kill Christians, Yes, Was He saved after Jesus statement to the Pharisees in John ch 8, Yes, Then what in God's name are you TRYING to prove? Not all Jews are condemned. Satan really has done a job on your hard ignorant heart that you deny scriptural testimony. Works and sacraments, No. Gal 2:16, Titus 3:5, Rom 1:17, If it is of works then grace is nolonger grace Rom 3:28, 5:1, 4:4-5, 2Tim 1;9. If works could "earn" grace Christ died in vain Gal 2:20-21
MMr7777 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Didn't Paul reject Christ then repent, something you should do also. Scripture points to No "pope," Peter who claimed to be a fellow elder not supreme pontiff 1Peter 5:1-2, The Rock is always God, Psalm 18:31 Isaiah 44:8 indeed there is no other Rock, Yes thank you Lord. Matt 7:24 the man who builds His house upon Jesus as Peter did when he confessed Jesus as the Christ, Jesus said on this Rock ,that he was Messiah, people would be saved (Acts 10:43, 8:37, 16:30-31, Rom 10:9-10)
MMr7777 4 months ago
Christ said 'YOU ARE PETER AND UPON THIS ROCK'..Not I am GOD and upon this rock.
Go away, apostate Jew.
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Jesus said you are Peter and upon this Rock (Me the Messiah) I will build my church upon. Hence the question, who do people say that ( I AM ) the great ,I AM, God... People are not saved by trusting in a church, or "pope" people are saved trusting in Christ and Him alone do we serve (Not Mary or a poluted church full of perverts) /watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&feature=related This video might show you your hating brothers the radical muslims.. Do you Answer nothing on Paul, I though so
MMr7777 4 months ago
YOU Are Peter and UPON this Rock ...
Not
I am Christ and upon this rock, me.
The sacraments come from The Church, instituted BY Christ.
Go away heretic, apostate Jew
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
According to the 3 largest Insurance companies, Protestants Molest at a rate of 40:1 compared to Catholics.
And Jew Rabbis molest at an even higher rate.
There were 6 incidents in the Church last year, 240 in Protestant circles, and 40 in one Jewish Brooklyn enclave, alone.
Go away heretic Jew.
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Yeh! and you heard this where, and seen these statistics where! so pathetic.. And still no answer on Paul's conversion, you sure are a Jew hater, its a wonder you believe in and Love our dear Lord the way you compose yourself. Paul was a first century Jewish convert and you answer nothing ?
MMr7777 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr LoL's one needs to read their bible more often and stop quoting from heretic sources.Had you of believed God's word you would have repented long ago. The verses are so clear you are either ignorant or a fool. You answer nothing in defense of these clear verses, this is natural when you corner a heretic. Say nothing in defense but keep spewing out garb. (No bible verses in defense) So I say repent again.
MMr7777 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Funny quoting from that old heretic, Pio, that necromancer. Ish 8:19 Have you ever read about all those 1st century Jewish converts in the book of Acts? There were thousands and there still are thousands of them today.JewsforJesuso/r/g.. Not all God's promised children are condemned. Pio was a very sick man, with those self inflicted wounds of his. His blood could atone for absolutely nothing, however Christs blood clenses us from ALL sin 1 John 1:7.
MMr7777 4 months ago
It is known that the Jewish people are Polluted with Wickedness, blasphemy, and the Shedding of the Blood of Jesus Christ so that their wickedness has No limit. ~ St. Felix of Toledo ("On the Condemnation of the Jews," Council XVII of Toledo, Spain, Canon No. 8; PAC, p376
Jews are slayers of Our Lord, Murderers of the prophets, Enemies and Haters of God, Adversaries of grace, enemies of their fathers' faith, advocates of the devil!
~ St. Gregory of Nyssa
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr It is also known that you are a sinner in the eyes of God Romans 3:23 and can only be saved via faith in Christ. (Acts 8:37, 10:43, 16:31-32) Romans 10:9-10) the only pollution I see is the spew coming out of your hatered for God's people. Jesus said salvation is of the Jews friend : ) John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews, Jesus Christ....
MMr7777 4 months ago
Jews were and are DAMNED by GOD.
They are NOT Chosen. Jesus Christ's FOLLOWERS are NOW Chosen.
'You belong to your Father, the Devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
He was a Murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is No truth in him.
When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the Father of lies'
-Jesus to the Jews collectively, (John 8:44)
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Rom 11:1,11,(Rom 7:7May it never be!) I think NOT. Romans 3:4,6 May it never be! .Paul follows his emphatic response with, for I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. What is his point? If God had rejected Israel as His covenant people, then every Israelite would be disqualified from the possibility of being saved; yet he is an Israelite who is saved, and that proves that God has not rejected His people.
MMr7777 4 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Calling someone an imbecile, did you learn this from the Holy Spirit? I think not. We can see who your father is....
MMr7777 4 months ago
The Holy Spirit is Lucifer (To Come).
The Holy GHOST is Jesus in the Trinity.
Go away, heretic.
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
The SSPX will only be truly Catholic when they admit the infability of the pope an and that the Novus Ordo Mass is the true sacrifice of Calvary!!!:D
Jjauregui1000 7 months ago
"I am a priest who for over ten years collaborated in a work that became a notable harm to the Catholic Faith.
I wish now to Apologize before God and the Church and to Renounce decisively my personal sharing in that damaging project.
I am speaking of translating the new Post-Vatican II Latin liturgy into the English language, when I was a member of the Advisory Board of the (I.C.E.L.)."
It waters down the doctrine that the Eucharist is a true Sacrifice."
-Fr Somerville, Jan 19, 2005.
StSimonMartyr 7 months ago
@StSimonMartyr So does Hebrews 10:18 and John 19:30 And Romans 6:9.. Nor does Christ dwell in any man made tabernacle Acts 17:24-25... Not served by Human hands..... Especially sinful ones...
MMr7777 4 months ago
Scribes and Pharisees (Jews) were a considerable hindrance to the salvation of the people, both because they opposed Christ's doctrine, which was the only way to salvation, and also because their evil ways corrupted the morals of the people. ~ St. Thomas Aquinas
Judaism, is a corruption; Judas is the image of the Jewish people: their understanding of Scripture is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Savior, for through their fathers they have killed Christ. ~ St. Augustine
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
You are not Catholic!! Only whit the Pope you can be catholic!! I´m sorry but all this is a LIE.
Erialdopx 8 months ago
Ahh I love the truths found within Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the Sacred Magesterium... unlike the SSPX where its simply, Sacred Tradition, Sacred Tradition, and Sacred Tradition... I think the SSPX can be given the Episcopalian title "protestant yet catholic"
dcrippen2000 9 months ago
Please pray for the canonization of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
CatholicTraditional 10 months ago in playlist Traditio 20
@CatholicTraditional you're kidding right?
dcrippen2000 9 months ago
Merci, Monseigneur!
antoniobasto 1 month ago
If a trial of rehabilitation absolved Joan of Arc, now recognized as a Saint, surely a trial of rehabilitation of Mons. Lefebvre, the St. Athanasius of the 20th century, is also possible, as is his canonization. He had just cause to act as he acted, and one day the administrative acts that imposed sanctions on him without judicial trial will be annuled by the Holy See. The Holy See has this power, just like she removed from the memory of the Church the excommunications of the Orthodox.
antoniobasto 1 month ago
The only thing I would have done differently of Monsenhor Lefebvre is: I would have consecrated not just 4, but as many as possible.
alonelychild 1 year ago
Thank you Monsinhor Lefebvre! Pray for us!
Oh Lord, send us vocations for the flock is gigantic and the workers are few, send us holy priests and bishops!
Amém!
alonelychild 1 year ago
Sicut fides salva fuit et nos hodie gaudere possumus gratiae Sanctae Missae Catholicae.
Gratias Agimus Excellentissimo Episcopo Marceli Lefebvre et Domino nostro Jesu Christo.
MMacs981 1 year ago
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luvpinas123 1 year ago
@rooizilver Oh you again?!
luvpinas123 1 year ago
@Randy02116 You're definitely right.
luvpinas123 1 year ago
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luvpinas123 1 year ago
albanman -will not let me answer his questions which I can clearly - when he hears the truth he reject it anyway- He fights fervently against the traditions of the Church and pretends to be a "good Catholic"- and the Novus Ordo supporter exposes himself when you see him favoriting a video "guys kissing".??( oh yes, but there is nothing wrong with now in his eyes!).He claims he know ancient Greek - I wonder if he can translate for us if Jesus said "For you and for all men"??
helenw100 1 year ago
@rooizilver. The main problem remains: No evidence. Assuming that you were right and a pope (other than John XXIII) had been elected what evidence is there that it was Siri? None. What evidence that Siri's family were threatened? None, even now that the Kremlin's archives are open. Too much conjecture based on the writings of Malachy Martin. The theory holds as much water as those in Dan Brown's "Da Vinci Code" -theories that many believe in spite of Brown saying the book is fiction. God bless.
albanman 1 year ago
rooizliver: Interesting theory. It falls because: (a) there is no evidence that Siri was elected (b) Importantly, Siri never claimed election (c) who+where are these cardinals+new pope? (d) your theory would nullify the promise of Christ +Vatican I's teaching regarding infallibilty in matters of faith and morals (e) What authority says the End of Times is soon? - pure Protestantism. (f) Christ Himself says that no-one knows when the end will be Matt 24:36. Siri would be furious at this theory
albanman 1 year ago
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albanman 1 year ago
@rooizilver If you believe the words of Christ that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church; if you believe that the Holy Spirit guides theChurch and that the the pope is the Vicar of Christ; if you believe that ecumenical councils cannot err in matters of faith or morals, then you must believe in the validity of the Ordinary Form and that post Vatican II ordination's are valid. Lefebvre was a good and holy man but he broke communion with the Vicar of Christ. He was wrong to do so
albanman 1 year ago
@albanman @albanman - No , Archbishop Leferbvre saw what was taking place. He saw the damage the smoke of Satan was about to make. Pray for the Pope because he has taught Jesus is not in the blessed sacrament, That Jesus didnt found One Holy Catholic and apostolic Church, but One to include heritics. He has also Prayed , as John Paul II with the Jews for the coming of the Messiah- "Apostles called the antichrist. Fatima - Apostasy will begin at the top. Ecumenism has always been condemned!
helenw100 1 year ago
@helenw100 You say that the pope taught that Christ is not present in the Blessed Sacrament or that Christ did not found the Catholic Church: where is the evidence for the disgraceful accusations you make? Evidence, not speculation. Vatican I made a clear declaration that in matters of faith and morals, the pope cannot - cannot - err. You cannot accept Vatican I and then believe what you've said.
albanman 1 year ago
How sad. Lefebre led these people into schism from the Hoy See. Their clergy do not have jurisdiction to hear confessions or celebrate the sacrament of matrimony; thus, any absolutions their priests give are invalid as is the sacramentality of any marriage ceremony performed. Dissention is dissention whether it be from liberals or conservatives like these in Econe.
albanman 1 year ago
@rooizilver Of course in the end Mary will triumph over us, and the Sedevacantist heresy will be overcome. Peter the Roman? King of France? are you reffering to a prophecy of Nostradamus or a forgery done in the name of Malachy? Either which, the rites today are valid as the Traditional forms.
luvpinas123 1 year ago
@rooizilver if believe that no apostolic succession is conferred by the rites today, then you probably believe that Christ was a liar when he said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church.... (thnx for listening to my argument though...)
luvpinas123 1 year ago
@rooizilver yes, the words of institution are changed, but this is not a literal translation of the words found in the bible. so therefore, we consider the mass of paul vi valid because the epiclesis is stronger (compared to the tridentine form), the ESSENTIAL WORDS: "THIS IS MY BODY, & THIS IS MY BLOOD" are found in the words of consecration. the mass is valid mainly because the epiclesis is present, and the words of institution are substantially correct.
luvpinas123 1 year ago
@rooizilver the new rite is as valid as the pre-vatican ii rite on grounds that the consecrations are perpetuated with: a valid intention, physical contact during imposition of the hands, and that it is a catholic rite, and therefore is considered valid. so, youre probably saying that the rites of the eastern orthodox churches are invalid because they use a variety of languages besides Latin? No! long before the council of trent, consecrations were done without the splendor of tridentine rites.
luvpinas123 1 year ago
Does anyone know where I can find the traditional episcopal consecration texts (on the net)?
baldwalrus7 1 year ago
@lithopoonwit Archbishop LeFebvre is no longer considered a valid Catholic bishop; his excommunication has not been lifted. The 4 surviving bishops had their excommunication lifted last year, so they are again valid bishops.
It is possible that LeFebvre will have his excommunication lifted sometime in the future, posthumously, but as of now he is not recognized as having been a valid bishop of the Catholic Church.
kevinwbrowning 1 year ago
@kevinwbrowning You are wrong as regards the lifting of excommunication of Lefebre. Yes, it is true that the decree did not explicitly say that Lefebre's excommunication was lifted, but, the lifting of the excommunication of Lefebre and the other bishop was actually there. The language was so carefully crafted that it misses the attention of most readers.
forestking19 1 year ago
@kevinwbrowning Here is the conclusion of the decree: "I remit of Bishops Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson, and Alfonso de Galarreta the censure of latae sententiae excommunication declared by this Congregation on July 1, 1988, while I declare deprived of any juridical effect, from the present date, the Decree emanated at that time." With this decree, the juridical effect of the former was withdrawn.
forestking19 1 year ago
@kevinwbrowning YOu see, Lefebre and the rest who were excommunicated by virtue of the decree on July 1, 1988 were rehabilitated without mentioning their names.
Conclusion: Lefebre is is a valid bishop of the Catholic Church.
forestking19 1 year ago
Aunque Monseñor Lefebre no esté presente en este mundo, en la eternidad debe ser feliz y ser un santo por defender la Tradición de la Liturgia.
olgamaria1604 1 year ago
Sad really - they look Catholic but are actually Protestant
EtEgoInArcade 1 year ago
@EtEgoInArcade And the "real" Catholics act like Protestants. Go figure.
lichtbroeder 1 year ago
@lichtbroeder The Church is a community - guided, we trust, by the Holy Spirit. The assurance that you are part of this community is that your Bishop is in communion with the Holy See. If your Bishop is in opposition to the Holy See - in other words protesting against what it has promulgated - it is difficult to see how you can call yourself Catholic..
EtEgoInArcade 1 year ago
@EtEgoInArcade Based on my comment, you assume that I can't call myself a Catholic? Really? I happen to agree with you totally. My comment wasn't about "legitimacy" . It was about "behavior". We still see clap happy priests and laity who treat veneration of the Virgin Mary, saints and relics, as being "old fashioned"; who are so casual in the Eucharist as to be disrespectful; and who water down everything or 'edit" - like Protestants.
lichtbroeder 1 year ago
@lichtbroeder Sorry - the 'you/your' was generic and not meant to imply anything about you personally. My point is that the liturgy in the video 'appears' Catholic but it isn't 'actually' Catholic because the participants have separated themselves from, and are opposed to, the Church. It is a less authentic celebration than Fr Joe Bloggs' folk Mass down the road, excruciating though that may be, because Fr. Joe and his congregation are still part of the Church.
EtEgoInArcade 1 year ago
@lichtbroeder Sorry - the 'you/your' was generic and not meant to imply anything about you personally. My point is that the liturgy in the video 'appears' Catholic but it isn't 'actually' Catholic because the participants have separated themselves from, and are opposed to, the Church. It is a less authentic celebration than Fr Joe Bloggs' folk Mass down the road, excruciating though that may be, because Fr. Joe and his congregation are still part of the Church.
EtEgoInArcade 1 year ago
@EtEgoInArcade
Huh?! I'm not sure that the Catholic Church has any more openly anti-Protestant members than the SSPX!
baldwalrus7 1 year ago 2
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Well they protest against the teaching of Church, they have separated themselves from the Church in schism, and they deny the authority of an Ecumenical Council and of the successor of Peter. Spookily reminiscent of all that fuss back in the 16th century wouldn’t you say?
EtEgoInArcade 1 year ago
@EtEgoInArcade
You should make some more careful distinctions. They do not protest against the "teaching" of the Church, but against recent non-dogmatic pastoral policies; for example, the Church in the Middle Ages had the policy of expelling Jews. If a bishop disagreed with this, he would not therefore oppose the "teaching" of the Church. If you check out their website you will discover that they declare their loyalty to Pope Benedict, so they don't deny that he's the successor of Peter.
baldwalrus7 1 year ago 2
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I don't buy that argument myself, but for an interesting discussion about the pastoral nature of the Council see - spirit-of-trent.blogspot.com and then the page "was-vatican-ii-merely-pastoral-council".
EtEgoInArcade 1 year ago
@EtEgoInArcade
They also don't deny that Vatican II is an ecumenical council, but say that its otherwise authoritative teaching can be legitimately disobeyed if it is gravely harmful to souls, since they're not disobeying any dogmas, and several Doctors of the Church recognise the possibility of disobedience to authority if the authority is trying to undermine the faith (as did St. Athanasius, who was excommunicated).
baldwalrus7 1 year ago
@EtEgoInArcade You are correct.
1b1b1loa 1 year ago
This is the true Catholic Church!
MyBetty111 1 year ago
Beautiful, Beautiful!!!!!!!!! This is real Glory to God and our Blessed Mother!!!!
twoholyheartsamdg 1 year ago
This kind of 'tradition' is not a religious faith, but merely an ideology, a historical and relative artefact of humankind (not of God). In the contrary, it is a ridiculous and pathetic theatre play ;)
2006druid 1 year ago
@2006druid You are hilarious. Damned pagan.
ixtoc999 1 year ago
@2006druid The word "religion" comes from the Latin word "religio" (hard "g") meaning to "reconnect" or "rebind". Religious traditions, ritual, "theatre", etc. are embodiments of inner truths which allow us to unite to one another, and to "reconnect" to God, the saints, and in some sense our ancestors, who worshiped in the same way. Those very traditions in part united the Polish people under Communism, and brought freedom to Poland. (As you also posted in Polish, I thought I'd mention this.)
lichtbroeder 1 year ago
This kind of 'tradition' is not a religious faith, but merely an ideology, a historical and relative artefact of humankind (not of God). In the contrary, it is a ridiculous and pathetic theatre play ;)
"Tradycja" nie jest wiarą, jest ideologią, historycznym, przejściowym produktem człowieka. Śmieszny teatr.
2006druid 1 year ago
I hope that our pope will celebrate this mass in saint peter's and that this courageous bishop might be a saint soon well he is a saint to me already.
IMPERIUMMEX 1 year ago
Are you guys all bullies in here?
I think so.
ajedrez77 1 year ago
These episcopal consecrations if true! Roman ls not as we only give MASS FALSE, FALSE PRIESTS, AND SACRAMENTS FALSE ...
VIVA SAN MARCEL LEFEBVRE
gabrieldg12 1 year ago
@gabrieldg12 false mass???? Thats sounding like a anti pope!!!! Our lady crys when her children call the new mass false and her priests false :(
twoholyheartsamdg 1 year ago
@twoholyheartsamdg Our Lady predicted Vatican II and the apostasy of the Church (from within). Get your facts straight. This is real Catholicism, not the Protestant Novus Ordo with its hand shaking abuses.
MyBetty111 1 year ago
Archbishop Lefebvre is truly a Roman Catholic Hero who preserved the traditions of the Catholic Church and the Latin Mass. He made no changes but only followed the traditions that were always taught. Merci, Merci, may your soul rest in peace!
fatima01917 1 year ago 3
@fatima01917 - THAT"S TRUE! AVE MARIA!
coromaestro25 1 year ago
Archbishop Leferbvre was the saving grace sent from God in this the period of the separation of the sheep from the goats. Thank you Archbishop for giving us saintly priests and Bishops.
helenw100 1 year ago 14
I understand this Marcel Lefavebre character singal handedly, by the grace of God, preserved and saved the Catholic religion.
lionhasalreadybe 1 year ago 4
Always with Rome, Sometimes without Rome, Never against Rome
sfowatcher 2 years ago 24
Rome is Rotten from within, taken over by Jews and Freemasons...
FATIMA MOVEMENT dot ORG
Why was Sola Scriptura, a faith in the Bible alone, the battle-cry of Martin Luther and John Calvin (nee Cohen)?
For the same reason Luther said, "Take away the Mass, destroy the Church." -Hence Vatican 2 in 1958
Luther & Calvin were among those trying to destroy the Church, Occultists masquerading as religious leaders.
How many souls did they deceive into Hell for their Worshipful Master, Lucifer?
StSimonMartyr 7 months ago
Please let us remember that temptation and vanity touches us all even Archbishop Lefebrev.
To the followers of SSFX please consider this as well.
ajedrez77 2 years ago
@ajedrez77 If you're going to be critical of the Society, at least start by giving proper abbreviations. I have never known the Society of St. Pius X to be labeled as the SSFX. In North America the common notation is SSPX, however, the most proper abbreviation is FSSPX (which is latin for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X).
rpgabc123 2 years ago
The terrible and tragic error in the Catholic Church since Vatican II and its errors was to deny the faithful to be able to participate in the Tradentine Mass along with the Novus Ordo Mass.
I also believe that the abuses of the Novus Ordo took away the Sacredness for the Holy Sacredness of the Mass confusing and loosing many Catholics bringing terrible consequences.
ajedrez77 2 years ago
I wonder if Lefebrev was not experiencing some kind of hidden vanity to be better than everybody else or at least some of his brother bishops, and have the fantasy to be even consider a saint by some.
I don't agree with the liberalism within the Catholic Church but I don't think it is wise to trust blindly archbishop Lefebrev.
ajedrez77 2 years ago
I also won't believe that SSFX don't face problems with maybe some men repressing their homosexuality we human beings are fall all the time.
Sometimes when we repress who we are whether we are sinners of any kind or too strict or too severe or we hide something we want to keep secret we become too rigid and that way we run the danger of becoming judgemental with the excuse that if I am able to repress my sins so should everybody else and so I have a right to condemn others.
ajedrez77 2 years ago
@ajedrez77 Show me where the SSPX urges its faithful to "repress" sins. It sounds like you are being judgmental of a Society that is doing the best it can under difficult circumstances. How does accusing the Society of these problems (which are unsubstantiated) give credit to your argument? What is it that you are trying to prove by this ridiculous argument? Being faithful Catholics, the priests of the SSPX undoubtedly encourage frequent confession.
rpgabc123 2 years ago
@ajedrez77 Furthermore, what good Catholic priest would ever encourage his parishioners to repress sin, especially a mortal sin (when this means the eternal damnation of the soul in question)? What are you trying to say by the fact that "we all sin?" Well of course we all sin, and some, unfortunately, fall into mortal sin, this is not confined to the SSPX but to the Catholic Church as a whole. The remedy for sin is confession, and that is for all Catholics.
rpgabc123 2 years ago
I love the tradition in the Church but I don't believe in hypocracy and the reality is that SSFX are too rigid and the reality is that the Church couldn't stay in the 1950's we all sin and the Church had to change with the times.
I'm not saying that change should bring Apostasy but it cannot stay so unrealistically rigid.
ajedrez77 2 years ago
@ajedrez77 If you read documents and hear of actual accounts from the priests of the SSPX, they have no intention of returning to the 1950s, such an accusation is false. They desire, like any true Catholic to bring Holy Mother Church out of the crisis that She is currently in.
rpgabc123 2 years ago
@ajedrez77 If you're going to attack the Society, please stick to the facts leading up the the econe consecrations.
rpgabc123 2 years ago
Great! So much better than the Novus Ordo Newchurch Protestant mess!
MyBetty111 2 years ago
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Matthew 15:3, 6, 7 "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? [Y]e made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites."
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
Jesus the Christ not live in wellness ans rich church, and wha they're not married!!!
albegvir 2 years ago
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"The "Mass" you guys are "ding" only came into being at Trent."
Ignorant rubbish.
en .wikipedia. org /wiki/ Pre-Tridentine_Mass #Roman_Missal_before_1570_and_precedents (without spaces)
Look up the pre-Trent missal, you won't find a single difference between that and the Tridentine Missal. That's because the 1570 missal was merely a codification of what had gone for centuries, eliminating abuses that had been cropping up.
162ALAN162 2 years ago
I feel so very privileged to have just watched this beautiful and historical Ordination.
AnFcowboy79 2 years ago 4
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Reason I'm Not Catholic Anymore
1. You shouldn't call priest father (matt. 23:9)
2. Mother Mary was NOT a virgin after Jesus was born (mark 6:3, Psa. 69:8)
3. Jesus purged our sins by HIMSELF (Heb. 1:3, 10:10)
4. Mother Mary sinned (luke 2:22-24)
5. The works you do like going to church and taking the host, etc won't he get you to heaven (EPHES . 2:8-9)
6. You can know where your going BEFORE you die (1 john 5:13)
TCAP4444 2 years ago
1. fisheaters. com / callingmenfather .html
2. Mk 6:3, Jesus is called "THE son of Mary," I suppose you think everyone else Jesus calles his brothers are biological brothers too.
3. Yes He did. We also must lead holy lives, read the epistle of James.
4. Mary was being obedient to the Law, it'd've been a sin NOT to be purified.
5. Jn 6:51-60
6. Yes, we have condifence Our Lord will save us, but if you think that means you can go on sinning thinking you'll be saved, you've not read the Bible.
162ALAN162 2 years ago
What a wonderful celebration!!! This tradition must be retained in the Catholic Church.
fedelium 2 years ago 19
Yes, because the tradition IS the Church.
Bless all these clergy.
helenw100 2 years ago 3
if this is how God i going to accept his saints on the last day, I bet u there will be queue in heaven that some will get tired and decide to turn back to go to hell!!!
ddaymikedied 2 years ago
This is a historical Video! Thanks you very much!!!!!!!!
Jame243 2 years ago 2
Great Ritual of the Ordination of the Bishops! At multos annos!
Jame243 2 years ago 3
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May God have mercy on Archbishop Lefebvre's soul. .and may God have mercy on those people misguided by SSPX!
richardquartimain 2 years ago
God Bless Archbishop Lefebvre , may his soul rest in peace. He was a great man in Catholic history !
lolita11a 2 years ago 6
there is only one church!!!
Hequaiunu 2 years ago 3
Thank you :-( for this comment...i am seminarian...and i also go to the traditional mass....but FSSPX is not the church....inside the fraternity you have a lot of crazy priests and also bishops Williamson for example!!!
Hequaiunu 2 years ago
fool! the church is in rome!!!
Hequaiunu 2 years ago
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Ecumenism is not Catholic. John himself, the Apostle of love, who seems to reveal in his Gospel the secrets of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and who never ceased to impress on the memories of his followers the new commandment "Love one another," alogether forbid any intercourse with those who professed a mutilated and corrupt version of Christ's teaching: "If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house, nor say to him: God speed you."
iotaunam1 2 years ago
Second Vatican Council was under Satan's influence, it completely destroyed 1000 years mission of the Catholic Church and new laws were rewrite with the help of Protestants, no wonder why many of the reformators were freemasons.
0masakra0 2 years ago
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The fact of the matter actually is really simple : Lefevre and his thugs enter in a voluntary and open disobedience to the Bishop of Rome. As Catholic [ if you really are one ] know, that in order to be one, you must be in communion with the Bishop of Rome and with your local Bishop. There's no way out of that. You probably will not agree with him [ the Pope ] in a lot of issues, that is ok. You don't have to agree with him in everything.
muscleslave001 2 years ago
Yeah, right! We has a bunch of bad popes, like Borgia, John XXIII and others. The obedience is not stupidity.
A pope cannot contradict another. Posconciliar popes are contradicting others. Wake up. No more rape of children!!!
xipe02 2 years ago
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Better watch out your personal tastes and you wont end up as a homo.
xipe02 2 years ago
One day, Archbishop Marcel will go down in history as an influential man for the Traditional Rite Catholic Mass as well as a Saint.
latinmass9000 2 years ago 3
I praise God for using you to upload this video .. I've been always intrigued and amazed with Bishop Lefebvre now at least I saw his countenance and how he conducted this Bisphoric Ordination .. thanks God the Traditonal Catholic Chruch is still alive confirmed by Sucession of St. Peter till the end of the world ..
olaezdpenitent 2 years ago
What's the music called at the begining?
162ALAN162 2 years ago
Concerto for two trumpets in C by Vivaldi.
trady 2 years ago
Thanks very much.
162ALAN162 2 years ago
Monseñor Lefevbre:
¡Santo ya!!!
Liber1412 2 years ago
I have to thank God for this, that pope Benedict XVI allows the traditional latin mass again altough the Vatican II canceled a holly mass indeed unlike the new one. God bless everyone!
klemyyy123 2 years ago
Secondly, Bishop Williamson is not our only bishop. He is not the head of the order, like Bishop Fellay who is the Superior General, but he was previously the rector of the Seminary in Argentina. He had a person