Japanese ceremonial court music and the dance_3

[NamelessTheGonbei]

Chinese are so shameless... they've not tried to keep their culture but destroyed it.

And now, when they find something good in other asian culture, they cry "oh, it's ours!".

Japanese people know that ancient Chinese culture "were" great, and Japanese culture was influenced by it partly. Japanese can be proud of their own culture and at the same time they admit Chinese (and of course Indian) elements in their culture.

But many Chinese can't understand what I say above. Stupid people.

[y1n10j100]

落ち着く

[rumpwrestler]

Let it grow.

[1199megumi]

雅楽は日本の伝統文化なわけですが・・

やはりこの独特の音色が良いですね＾＾

こういった文化を日本人として私は

誇りに思います。

[brendan7777]

Itsumonihon needs to learn English himself! 'The only pathetical...' is terrible English. It should be 'the only pathetic thing... For example - the only pathetic thing is your poor English.

[itsumonihon]

god damn, you're dumb, i typed pathetical as an ironic insult to the poster who had previously used the word while dishing out insults. i was insulting him with his own shitty english! god damn youtube users are stupid

[Yamatokanai]

So there is gagaku of Japan only in Japan.

A dance of anything but that isn't gagaku.

gagaku exists in neither China nor Korea.

The dance in China and Korea is a dance in China and Korea.

OK?

It's wonderful that a Chinese takes pride in his dance which exists in an own country.

But it's a mistake to insist that a Japanese dance is oneself's.

Your logic just makes the matter ambiguous.

[gariadara]

@Yamatokanai the type of music known as Gagaku 雅楽 exists in Korea, China, and Vietnam. Of course, they're not the exact same thing as the Japanese version, but they are all variations of the same original source material: the Middle Chinese "Ngangak" (Mandarin: Yayue/Cantonese: Ngangok). It is called A'ak (pronounced Ah-Ahk) in Korean and Nha Nhac in Vietnamese. The kanji for it means "elegant music." Even the reading is Onyomi.

[gariadara]

@Yamatokanai

Yayue (Ngangok) of China, reconstructed Tang Dynasty form: /watch?v=jej4R4cmO_g

A'ak of Korea: /watch?v=hKk89sSwR3k

Japanese Gagaku itself consists of three forms:

1) Native Shinto religious music and folk songs and dance, called kuniburi no utamai

2) A Korean form, called komagaku (named for Koma, one of the Three Kingdoms)

3) A Chinese form (specifically Tang Dynasty), called togaku.

[Yamatokanai]

WW2 is unrelated.

Do you think Chinese's villainy is permitted when taking WW2 out?

[Yamatokanai]

Chinese culture underwent influence in India, Central Asia and Iran and was born.

The Chinese is selfish.

A Chinese can't open himself from a Chinese thought of a misunderstanding.

Gagaku is Japanese culture, it doesn't exist in China.

The thing a Chinese is doing is theft.

[marcohahaha]

@Yamatokanai fuck right off, get ya facts right before you start pointing fingers, where does kanji come from? can you tell me that?

Where did the japanese traditional clothing style come from do you know?

Even the freaking Japanese language, i wonder how many words has it stole from other culture huh? How do you say an orange in Japanese? how do you say it in English? check ya facts Bitch~

[marcohahaha]

@marcohahaha culture thefts

[vvvviperrrr]

@marcohahaha

The thief is Chinese.

Chinese who is present thief.

Incidently, China stole Shinkansen of Japan.

[marcohahaha]

@vvvviperrrr you can shut the fuck up with that Shinkansen business now, idiot who own it first? who gave it to you, against their will? or should i say~ who forcefully took, another words robbed it off the chinese? Japanese, so don't even get me started you fuck tart.

[vvvviperrrr]

@marcohahaha

Central Asia and India influenced China.

The kung fu was born from Indian military arts.

Is the kung fu of China a theft?

China clothes of alive and well were born from clothes of horseback races in the north.

Are China clothes the thefts?

Your theory is foolish [geteru].

[marcohahaha]

@vvvviperrrr well first off, Kung Fu is Chinese. Has Chinese ever try to claim on martial art?! I believe not~ martial art are a way to fight, which exist everywhere, where there are men where there will be martial art. So your statement with chinese being thefts of Kung Fu is retarded. Kung Fu is an martial art local to chinese and chinese only, Inian had their own form of martial art, there are difference .

Chinese Clothes comes from up north? where?~ North china i believe you reject.

[gariadara]

@vvvviperrrr "Central Asia and India influenced China."

Lol, try the other way around. If kung fu was born from indian military arts, what happened to indian military arts? Where are they now? The thief is Chinese? Tell that to Confucius and Lao Tsu. Seriously, give credit where credit is due. Stop taking traditions from China and claim it as your own, it doesn't bode well for your character.

[ForChwo]

@gariadara actually china is influenced by india...do you realize buddhism and buddhist architecture and all that philosphical thought started in India? Give credit where credit is due.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo Of course China was influenced by India, IN TERMS OF BUDDHISM. So was the rest of East Asia, and now even the West. I do give credit where credit is due. KUNG FU, however, is absolutely NOT Indian in origin. Just because India influenced China in one area doesn't mean everything else in China falls within the Indian UMBRELLA.

[ForChwo]

@gariadara Who cares about Kung Fu...and don't under estimate the influence of Yoga on ALL asian martial arts...ever wonder why they meditate as part of all asian martial arts..yep indian yoga. The fact is you random japan bashers are constantly talking about japan is just a copy copy copy bla bla when the entire world is just a copy and an influence of eachother. We are all humans, so grow the fuck up. Can you claim something as yours just because some guy 2,000 years ago made it? NO.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo Exactly in which of my posts did I ever "bash" Japan? I don't care about Kung fu either. I do, however, care about false claims: that Kung fu is Indian for example. Or that Gagaku has nothing to do with Tang Dynasty China, for another example. I can't claim something is mine when some guy made it 2000 years ago, but if he did make it, I bloody hell can claim that said something is HIS.

[ForChwo]

@gariadara Right than the credit of gagaku music is credited to the person who invented it...the tang dynasty is simply using his or her or their invention of instruments and music..just like Japan did. Big deal. Kung Fu is not indian but it is clearly influenced by yoga, as are all asian martial arts.....basically everything in the entire world is influenced by something else, china used to be hundreds of tribes who all influenced and inter acted with eachother back when no one was "chinese".

[gariadara]

@ForChwo Except it wasn't one single person in the tang dynasty who invented the precursor to Gagaku. It was a tradition that was slowly developed by loads of Tang Dynasty people that became the music of the palace. The credit should be to the people who developed it, who were Chinese. Of course no one was Chinese in 10,000 BC. But people were Chinese during the periods the inventions we're talking about happened.

[ForChwo]

@gariadara it doesnt matter if they are chinese, they are a few hundred if thousand in fact. Why on earth do the chinese of today after several dynasty changes, language changes have some kind of claim to a few rich high court tang dynasty people? So the other 95% of the poor tang dynasty chinese peasants of that time also invented gagaku? No they didnt. Anyone claiming this or that is chinese is stupid and should just be quiet. This is just as "chinese" as it is "japanese".

[gariadara]

@ForChwo the same reason why anyone would have any claim to the word "chinese." Cultural heritage. By your logic, no one alive today can call themselves Chinese since what have they got to do with the people who started the Chinese civilization 5000 years ago? and by that token, no one was EVER Chinese, since the civilization wasn't started by a single person and your "infinite regression" argument prohibits anybody from claiming cultural heritage.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo And again, I wasn't talking about modern Chinese. The inventors were ANCIENT Chinese, so...per what we've discussed: credit to THEM be due, wouldn't you agree? I NEVER even remotely implied Gagaku wasn't Japanese, where in hell did you get that idea? My entire stance was against Yamatonokanai's claim that Gagaku "has nothing to do with China." have you read my posts? Isn't it obvious that I believe Gagaku is equally Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese (possibly others)?

[gariadara]

It wasn't a thousand Tang Dynasty rich high court people who invented Gagaku, they took music that had been developing for generations after generations in Chinese civilization and over more generations evolved it into courtly music in the Tang palaces. Brits drink tea. But tea was first cultivated in ancient China. What exactly is "stupid" and "should be quiet" about that statement? It's a statement that is a fact, no more no less. it's not as if I'm saying tea BELONGS to the Chinese, sheesh.

[ForChwo]

@gariadara Actually yes and no, gagaku got its start with the invention of the instruments...so it didnt really take generation after generation to develop. And even if that is true, gagaku in both tang and Japan was high court music only for the rich nobility, the commoners had nothing to do with and basically never even heard it.

And once again it depends what you mean by "chinese". Italy today doesn't claim roman things, like the PRC does, only the PRC has such nationalistic views of history

[gariadara]

@ForChwo Sure they do. Although there is no longer a Roman ethnicity. That's because Rome was gone. the Roman and Chinese civilizations are FAR from being analogs. The cultural and ethnic identity of China is very well preserved. The Han (Huaxia) ethno-identity was never interrupted the way the Roman one was. Last but not least, being Chinese has nothing to do with the PRC, kind of like how being Jewish has nothing to do with the Medīnat Yisrā'el.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo I don't give a rat's ass about the PRC's views. I couldn't care less. In fact, why was that brought up? did you think I had anything to do with the PRC? Chinese people everywhere, especially those of the Chinese Diaspora (that started before there ever was a KMT or CCP or PC and PRC, people like me who is a 6th or 7th generation somewhere) what they have isn't a national border at all, it's got nothing to do with politics.

[ForChwo]

@gariadara Well I hope so, I am saying this from a completely anti nationalist perspective (even a japanese one). I believe borders and all that nonsense are just human constructs and dont mean anything. I dont like reading comments of people saying such and such is american/chinese/japanese or whatever...especially when it is ART...it belons to everyone. Some of these dances and music are UNESCO heritage...it belongs to the entire human race now, no one can claim it.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo I agree and disagree. I think you're right that national borders is BS for the most part, but that's only because one's identity and cultural inheritance extends far beyond petty politics. Culture is much deeper. It lies in the soul. It is more than the arts and trinkets that exist only to represent itself: it is spiritual. While I don't for a second believe that anything should be treated as exclusive, certain things are definitely OWNED by their cultures.

[ForChwo]

@gariadara and also a very interesting thing my chinese roommate told me (from the south) is that linguistically the southern chinese languages are the most original "dialects" of chinese...mandarin is basically a hybridization of ancient chinese and manchurian/mongolian (remember the yuan and qing dynasty are not even "chinese"). Ironically italian is more linguistically and lexically similar to latin, than mandarin is to old chinese. Not to mention religiously as well (roman catholics).

[gariadara]

@ForChwo your roommate has a superficial understanding of linguistics. The various Chinese "dialects" are actually Languages unintelligible to one another. Cantonese is as different from Mandarin as Spanish is from French. Though Cantonese is more "conservative" in certain dictions and especially pronunciations, in overall grammar, it deviates from Classical Chinese about as far as Mandarin has, and Mandarin has little Altaic influence, if any.

[ForChwo]

@gariadara no, he understands that they are languages..which is why I have dialects in quotes ( the communist government claims them as just dialects). Also yes the concept of "jews" is very racist, their entire concept of being a jew is that they are "gods chosen people". As for "HAN" once again the entire concept of "china" and "chinese" didnt even exist until the QING when they tried to establish a western "style" (nationalist) identity.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo That is completely untrue. Nationalist identities were there before any contact with the West. Anyone from any of the various Chinese kingdoms during the Warring States would harbor strong nationalist identity. The concept of Han was extant since the Han Dynasty, later recognized as an ethnic group when "barbarians" invaded. The concept of Huaxia was extant since the Shang Dynasty. So is the concept of Baixing (the People).

[gariadara]

@ForChwo Again it's not about claiming something from 2000 years ago. It's about feeling it in your heart and soul and understanding where you come from, knowing about those who came before. And it's also about giving credit where credit is due. The Latin alphabet came from Rome. What's to argue about that?

[ForChwo]

@gariadara the latin alphabet came from, so it is roman. Just like this dance came from Tang, so it is "tang". Latin alpahbet is not "italian" just like tang culture is not "chinese". Only if you count it as a geographical term does "chinese", "western" etc and those labels make any sense.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo you're arguing semantics. the term Italian refers to something that belongs to Italy. The term Chinese isn't just a geological term nor is it in any way analogous to "Italian" or "Western." Tang culture isn't Chinese? Then why did they write in a written language called Classical Chinese? And why did the Tang write in Chinese Characters?

[ForChwo]

@gariadara Even today you have so called "HAN" protesting the communist policies of promoting mandarin or beijing/communist culture on the rest of China. The so called "han" and "chinese" cultural identity is a human construct, its nothing and based on nothing. It was all fabricated during the Qing dynasty, especially as the so called "natives" began to consider the qing as "foreign barbarians" (which united the "chinese"). You should have no allegiances to human constructs.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo What the hell are you talking about? The Qing didn't unite the Chinese. The Emperor of Qin did. Are you confusing the Qin and Qing dynasties? No one considered themselves "natives," they considered themselves Han. First, ethnicity has ALWAYS BEEN a human construct, so what's your point? Second, the Manchurians were non-Sino-Tibetans who invaded Ming Dynasty. They forced the Queue Order on the Chinese. While that certainly strengthened the Chinese identity, it's always been there.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo What the hell are you talking about? The Qing didn't unite the Chinese. The Emperor of Qin did. Are you confusing the Qin and Qing dynasties? No one considered themselves "natives," they considered themselves Han. First, ethnicity has ALWAYS BEEN a human construct, so what's your point? Second, the Manchurians were non-Sino-Tibetans who invaded Ming Dynasty. They forced the Queue Order on the Chinese. While that certainly strengthened the Chinese identity, it's always been there.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo if you're so uncomfortable with the terms Han or Chinese, let's use a different term to better represent the ethno-linguistic-cultural group entity. Let's just say rather something is Sinitic or not. Manchurians are not a Sinitic People. Hans are Sinitic. We've been talking about a Sinitic Civilization this whole time. Is that okay?

[ForChwo]

@gariadara the japanese did the same during the Tokugawa shogunate and the military rule leading up to WW2, united a people either under a race/ethnicity or a religion or a language is a form of controlling the masses. The japanese forced standard japanese even on "yamato" (pure japanese) who spoke distinct dialects. All of these human constructs are slowly being annihilated by globalization and im glad. Its sad people pay so much attention to things written down by the elite class.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo Good for you. But this has never been an argument about eliteness or otherwise. I've always argued from an anthropological standpoint, I didn't want to argue sociology or politics. Again, let's use another term than. Rather than "Japanese," let's use Japonic. All the distinct dialects, yamato, or otherwise have been Japonic and was part of the Japonic cultural sphere. This sphere was born from merging of still more ancient Yayoi, Jomon, and proto-Korean peoples. Is that okay?

[ForChwo]

@gariadara Imagine if italians went around online and in europe telling all the europeans "ur script is italian!, ur government is a copy of italian republic 5 thousand years ago!" etc etc...it's kind of ridiculous.

A human is a human and national "boundaries" (made up lines in the sand) does not give any people a right to anything a few individuals developed thousands of years ago.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo No, but an Italian would go around telling people that the script they use was Latin. And that their governments are copies of the Roman Republic. what's ridiculous is your continuing argument that this is about people "having a right" to anything. It's about giving credit. Yamatonokanai saying Gagaku has "nothing to do with China" is like someone saying the Western Alphabet has nothing to do with Rome.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo These things can be shared of course. And there is a gradient of share-ability, so to speak, depending on historical proximity, contact, cultural interactions and similarity, etc. But I'll be damned if one day the Saami People can't "claim" the Joik, or when the Chumash feel they aren't suppose to "claim" the Tikauwich.

[ForChwo]

@gariadara Well it depends, I agree and disagree with that. It depends how old and continuos said thing is. Once again I have problems with people claiming ancient things, for example italians claiming everyone is using their writing (roman/latin) just because thousands of years ago they used to be ...well romans. Rome doesnt exist today..just like the Tang dynasty doesnt exist today. The language, government, borders and even ethnic heritage of the Tang is very different than the China of today

[gariadara]

@ForChwo Again, it's not about claiming, but giving credit. But I do believe someone who is a descendant of an ancient civilization still bares a closeness to it. regarding your Han argument. Again, the concept of China and the concept of Chinese are two very different things. Like the concept of the Greeks, they never had a single nation in ancient times but their shared a single cultural identity, like the Hans (Hua Xia).

[ForChwo]

@gariadara ..going around making strict labels of ancient things based on countries of today that are geographically in the same region seems pointless. For example the entire concept of "China" didnt even exist until the Qing Dynasty...and there's no way the Tang would ever consider themselves the same people ("Chinese") as the Yuan, Qing, PRC etc. The entire concept of a chinese ethnic race "han" is also first of all racist and also genetically incorrect, china is the most diverse asian nation

[gariadara]

@ForChwo I don't get how Han is racist. It's like saying the concept of Jewish-ness is racist or that Hispanic-ness is racist. An ethnic group isn't a race (races are white, oriental, negroid, etc.) and it isn't a genetic entity, though that is a part of it. An ethnic group is a cultural identity carried through descent. The Tang weren't one people either but they were Huaxia (let's use an older name than Han), the People of the Hundred Surnames, Children of the Yellow Empire, what have you.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo And it's not about basing on countries of today. My stance has always been to base it on the civilizations themselves.

[ForChwo]

@gariadara "civilization" is an even harder thing to define than a "country" (in todays terms). For example "western" civilization seems like a joke to me, so does "chinese civilization" (look how vast and diverse it is). Basically the major thing that encompasses these "civilizations" is basically geographical. The only thing that would make sense in the modern world would be "tang civilization", "yuan civilization", "qing civilization", "roman civilization", "british civilization" etc.

[gariadara]

@ForChwo There is no real break in cultural continuity between dynasties, with the exception of the Qing Dynasty and that only went for the clothing. There are political transitions, huge ones from Zhou to Warring States, and from States to Qin. But there is a commonality of language, writing, religion, customs all throughout these dynasties with limited intermarriage with non-Huaxia ethnicities (not as prolific as say the Spanish). Chinese civilization is the least diverse of all ancient civs.

[ForChwo]

@gariadara Japanese arts belong to everyone and everyones arts belong to japanese.

[vvvviperrrr]

@marcohahaha

Does the Indian boast of the kung fu?

Does Mongol boast of China clothes?

You should think.

[marcohahaha]

@vvvviperrrr Chinese didn't wear Mongol clothes, Mongol force the Chinese to take their ways~ there is a different between willing and unwilling acceptance. For example, when Japan let the Japanese into china, do you think they did it willingly? well you would problem say yes won't you, you sick fuck, well~ at the sametime do you think japan gave china back its land willingly? or is it Because of the 2 N-bombs? Awwww~ so sorry~

[vvvviperrrr]

@marcohahaha

You must take off clothes of the West.

You must put on traditional Chinese clothes through life.

The culture of China did not arise in China alone.

Other countries influence the culture of China.

Why do not you understand it?

It is a mistake that Chinese boasts of this dance.

The remainder Japanese succeeds in Japan and the Japanese has improved it.

Chinese did not do anything.

The person like you might be called a child.

[marcohahaha]

@vvvviperrrr Dressing up like the west is only an adaptation an evolution to suit the culture of the west, to do business with the west. Don't you wear western clothes? In fact where does your clothes come from? I wonder.... may be made in CHINA?!!! We are the ones that make economic of scale possible. You are nothing but the followers, not leaders, and never will be. Chinese were leader of culture once and will be again in 10 ~ 30 years.

[gariadara]

@Yamatokanai "Gagaku is Japanese culture, it doesn't exist in China."

Gagaku was imported from Tang Dynasty courtly music of the capital Chang'an. the famous piece Etenraku was composed by a Han emperor for crying out loud. Stop saying Chinese culture was born from Indian and Persian cultures, it looks absolutely NOTHING like those cultures. All it took were Buddhism and a few Persian musical instruments. There is nothing in the ancient Chinese philosophy or ideas that are Indo-persian at all.

[syokusyusyoujyo]

唐の時代の服や楽器は中央アジアとイランの影響をもろに被ってる­よ。

王家がトルコ系だったこともある。

何事も西方風が流行だった。

中国が机と椅子の文化に変化したのもこの時代だ。

[MUSLIMBOYA]

Japanese Culture is soo entreging so intresting the best there music is like no other

[YAMATOKUNI]

A Chinese said.

"All mankind is African." "A Chinese is African, too."

[YAMATOKUNI]

Chinese people should stop being parasitic on Japan.

[qiuqiuqiu]

Chinese people should stop buying stuffs that are made in Japan. Then Japan is gonna lose hundreds of millions consumers. Its companies go out of business and its people should Seppuku (a form of Japanese ritual suicide by disembowelment) to show the spirit of Kendo.

[YAMATOKUNI]

Please see qiuqiuqiu.

Chinese's kind is understood.

They're the third-class people who can't sneak from Sinocentrism yet.

[qiuqiuqiu]

Yamatokuni, please refrain from being pathetical. You are not going to gain respect for dishonoring other people, and this only show how inferior you feel about yourself.

[itsumonihon]

the only pathetical going on here is your butchery of the English language, please pay me $35 an hour so we can start to correct that shitty English of yours. Chingchongchang! Japan kicks your miserly ass.

[Momotaro88]

Oh, no, your precious racist eyes! Does it hurt?

I hope so.

(It's "miserable", not "miserly"...talking about butchering anything...please at least try to learn english before charging anybody)

[itsumonihon]

miserly - adjective - meaning: stingy

source: mirriam webster

dictionary motherfucker, learn to use it ching chong boy

[ZetsuAndArashi93]

@itsumonihon

You need to grow up. "Chinchongchang"?

Did you really just do that?

[itsumonihon]

@ZetsuAndArashi93 changchangchang

死ね！

[ZetsuAndArashi93]

Oh dear. He wants me to die.

How mature of him.

Whatever.

Keep giving the English speaking persons a bad rep.

[itsumonihon]

rofl @ the reputation of english speakers

[gariadara]

@itsumonihon "Chingchongchang"

And this is what you sound like: girigurugiri guru guru guru gah! hai! hai! The Chinese were living in cities, built palaces, had a literary tradition, public education, banks and paper currency when the Japanese were still running around hunting and gathering and trying to figure out how to plant.

[YAMATOKUNI]

I'm disgusted at a Chinese.

Please don't depend on Japan.

Please take pride in your remaining culture in present China.

[qiuqiuqiu]

Wow, you are such a high mighty. The truth is the truth, and we have to admit it. Chinese people can read Japanese even if we have never learned it, simply because there are numerous Chinese words in the Japanese language.

China don't have to depend on Japan. On the contrary, Japan seems depends on China more as a huge consumer market. You don't want to see the consequence that the Chinese people boycott all Japanese goods.

The existence of people like you make us stronger and united.

[YAMATOKUNI]

It is the text in which your essence appears.

My reply which pulled out your essence was worthy.

Japanese produced KATALANA and HIRAGANA.

Even if KATALANA and HIRAGANA are made with a kanji, it's unrelated.

[qiuqiuqiu]

Ungratefulness make people like you pathetical. Japanese import Chinese culture, language, and many many other things. They grow, localize, and become the Japanese national identity. As you said, the origin is Chinese.

[qiuqiuqiu]

There is a language called Japanese thanks to the invention of KATALANA and HIRAGANA, otherwise it would be another form of Chinese language.

[YAMATOKUNI]

The Japanese has raised and protected Japanese culture.

The form that a Chinese takes pride in his Japanese culture is funny.

The Chinese isn't supposed to use Japanese culture to satisfy the pride.

[qiuqiuqiu]

Japanese culture is a localized form of Chinese culture. Japan imported Chinese Language, Calligraphy, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Religion, Acupuncture, Architecture and many others and make them their own. They are actually all Made In China.

Chinese people are educated in the way to protect our culture as well. However we are happy to see that you are proud of our culture.

[YAMATOKUNI]

This is Chinese.

It's selfish and stupid.

Chinese culture is Indian culture.

You should sneak early from a Chinese thought.

[qiuqiuqiu]

Look at that damn Japanese. Mentally retarded racist. His country has no culture, and still use Chinese as their national language. China has their own language, we speak Chinese not Hindi.

YAMATOKUNI (2 days ago)

This is Chinese.

It's selfish and stupid.

Chinese culture is Indian culture.

You should sneak early from a Chinese thought.

[Meiko2009]

"Chinese culture is Indian culture"??? Someone is being out of mind here.

Can anyone give me some examples of the "same culture" that India and China has?

[YAMATOKUNI]

The Buddhism (the building which concerns that), thought and the design

[qiuqiuqiu]

Buddhism was born in India 2,500 years ago but had largely disappeared from that nation over the centuries. It spreads along the Silk Road to China. The philosophy has been followed and practiced along with other religions and philosophies by China. In China, Buddhism, native taoism and Confucius' thoughts have been intertwined for centuries.

[qiuqiuqiu]

Buddhism was spread into Japan in the 6th century by Chinese and Korean. It flows like wind and water. To some extent, Japanese Buddhism can be thought of as a series of imports from China. Over the centuries, starting as early as 500 C.E., both lay devotees and monks traveled to China, bringing back with them layer after layer of Chiinese Buddhist teachings and practices along with other Chinese cultural traditions.

[qiuqiuqiu]

No brainer. They are many Christians in China as well as many churches, so Chinese culture is European culture? You retarded.

YAMATOKUNI (7 hours ago)

The Buddhism (the building which concerns that), thought and the design

[jeongseonarirang]

Japanese are insane invaders. It's rude, stupid extremist. Korean and Chinese are friends. We will work together to beat Japan.

[YAMATOKUNI]

YES!!Korea and China are same.

[qiuqiuqiu]

Japan's absorption of the spirit of Chinese make them more civilized and less inferior.

[YAMATOKUNI]

The Chinese who cries out for WW2 at a place unrelated to WW2.

The Chinese is always same.

A Chinese cries out for WW2 away like silly person's parrot-cry.

[qiuqiuqiu]

You are the person who initiate that damp topic.

You should cry for your country because it was defeated and enjoyed two atomic bombs offered by us.

YAMATOKUNI

The Chinese who cries out for WW2 at a place unrelated to WW2.

The Chinese is always same.

A Chinese cries out for WW2 away like silly person's parrot-cry.

[Meiko2009]

Please don't fight here. I am Japanese, and I had lived in China for 2 years. Chinese people are very nice and friendly. We have no right to discriminate other people, and I am ashamed of that person who made those insulting comments against China.

[krelllabs]

Thank you, Meiko2009. So much hate here!

[YAMATOKUNI]

Hello, Chinese.

[qiuqiuqiu]

Hello, Japanese.

[wTARTZAw]

true at some part but still false. if you keep going on like that you'll end up in Eva and Adam or who ever the first people alive where..

[qiuqiuqiu]

It is amazing to find so many Chinese elements appear in Japanese culture and life, and I am so proud of my country. One day if Japan is able to export their culture, Japanese people should have been really honoured.

[YAMATOKUNI]

The Chinese's pride is very small.

Please take pride in your remaining culture in China at present.

Please don't depend on Japan for a Chinese.

[qiuqiuqiu]

This guy is not able to find any knowledge or proof to support him/her and constantly repeats the same thing. Lame!

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YAMATOKUNI

The Chinese's pride is very small.

Please take pride in your remaining culture in China at present.

Please don't depend on Japan for a Chinese.

[obbytoo]

If you Japanese really hate and are disgusted on anything Chinese you should follow the Koreans and abandon all kanji and abandon anything related to Chinese. Simple.

[YAMATOKUNI]

I know that Chinese people dislike South Korea.

However, the attitude of Chinese people and South Koreans is the same. Chinese people and South Koreans are visible to the same kind.

Chinese people and South Koreans ask Japan for their pride desperately.

I who is Japanese am very unpleasant.

A Korean forces false history on Japan.

Chinese people carry out the old history of 2000 years ago, and ask Japanese people for gratitude.

Liar's Korean.

sticky　Chinese.

It is truly unpleasant.

[obbytoo]

Don't try to think all Chinese/Korean are the same. That's very bad generalization. I'm Chinese and I do not ask Japanese for their "gratitude". Never.

Would you like it if I think all Japanese are from the Imperial Army that raped and killed many fellow Asians during WW2?

[YAMATOKUNI]

The Chinese who slaughters Tibetans and Uighurs should not say.

Even if Japan is blamed, you don't disappear into the Chinese's crime.

Did you think Japanese was silent when taking WW2 out?

There is such history in all over the world.

Please don't fawn on Japanese conscience.

[qiuqiuqiu]

Conscience is not something you have when you try to justify the Japanese slaughter against Chinese, South Korean and other Asian countries. Those horrible things Japanese have done to the world should have been your real unique own.

Tibetans and Uighurs are two minority groups of the 56 Chinese nationalities. We will use all our forces to protect them from being hurt . Trust us, we have that money and time to protect our own people and to make justice being served.

[YAMATOKUNI]

You're brainwashed by the Communist Party of China.

[wTARTZAw]

if that is the protection you give them. ..who would want that?

[qiuqiuqiu]

Apparently, you hate China and South Korea. You are trying to put Japan in a position of being an open enemy to China and South Korea. That is not wise.

Japan has been influenced under the Chinese culture, and as Chinese, we are honoured that we could have that ability to do so. However, some virtues you guys failed to learn from us are honesty, thankfulness and appreciation.

[YAMATOKUNI]

China steals history of Japan.

The Chinese and the Korean are same.

[qiuqiuqiu]

Japanese are descendants of Chinese and Korean. Chinese and Korean are normal people, while unfortunately Japanese are abnormal both mentally and physically.

YAMATOKUNI

China steals history of Japan.

The Chinese and the Korean are same.

[YAMATOKUNI]

Much blood of (JOMONJIN) is flowing to Japanese.

And blood from Israel is included.

And all the members are African for your thought.

[qiuqiuqiu]

I know Japanese is a mixture of Chinese and Korean. It is amazing to know that Japanese has blood of Israelis and perhaps some Africans. Does Japanese typically look like Israelis or Africans?

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YAMATOKUNI (2 hours ago)

Much blood of (JOMONJIN) is flowing to Japanese.

And blood from Israel is included.

And all the members are African for your thought.

[Renaissancedehuaxia]

Why can't you appreciate without insulting?

[kabout3r]

nan desu ka kore wa ?SUGOI!!!!!!!

[MurasakiShikibufan]

This is so awesome!

[siewen1]

I feel great that I get to see this. Very awesome and inspiring.

[thefho]

It's beautiful I loved how they where dressed ^-^ and the music is terrific

[fablecio]

whats the peacfull japanese guitar like thing called so i can look it up on youtube

[pixy1054]

呵呵～All of this 's from TANG (唐）Dynasty,from China !!!you can ask Japanese about this~!

[vvvviperrrr]

It changed a lot in Japan. It does not remain in present China at all. Japan inherited, and it was made to change in a Japanese way, and saved to the present time.

[jn1900]

quite good!! many Chinese Tang dynasty cultures can be found in japan now,,,esp kyoto

[vvvviperrrr]

It doesn't exist in present China at all.

Japan inherits, and Japan changes it, and Japan has preserved it.

It's unrelated for the present Chinese.

[vvvviperrrr]

The present Chinese shouldn't take pride.

[jn1900]

dont be so sensitive!!! But what you have said remind me a criminal stole a car from the car owner, repainted the car and installed a spoiler...then claimed to be his own car!!! Come on....you still have to admitt that you japs "inherited" the dance anyway!!! All the old temples in Kyoto and Nara were copied from Chinese...Its you guys should take the pride...respect intellectual property rights!!! Japs are lucky that chinese didnt sue your king!!

[vvvviperrrr]

Chinese kung fu was born in India.

But there isn't a person who regards kung fu as Indian culture.

The Buddhist stupa born in India was also born in India for the Buddhism.

But a Chinese Buddhist stupa isn't an Indian one.

A temple of Kyoto and Nara is a Japanese one.

And Japanese culture.

[jn1900]

wrong!!! if you check the chinese kung fu books, esp shaolin,,,,it will clearly stated that all martial arts started from shaolin temple,, and the founder is damo....the indian buddha master sailed from india to china!!! I dont make up stories here....you can check it out yourself!!

[qiuqiuqiu]

Much of Japanese culture was inherited from China. Some examples are the Japanese language, architecture, acupuncture, calligraphy, religion, music and the traditional costume etc.

As Chinese, we are honored to see the spirit and wisdom from our ancestors still continues on other Asian countries nowadays. We respect Japan and we expect the same thing from the Japanese people.

[YAMATOKUNI]

Chinese culture undergoes influence of Indian culture much.

The respective countries are related.

[qiuqiuqiu]

What a joke. You should study history book before you make any comment.

[YAMATOKUNI]

You should check history, too.

Even if culture flowed in from China, Japanese changed Japanese culture, and it was brought up.

Though a Chinese character is origin, the Japanese made HIRAGANA and KATAKANA.

Please don't use Japanese culture for your pride.

[qiuqiuqiu]

YAMATOKUNI: "Even if KATALANA and HIRAGANA are made with a kanji, it's unrelated".

---Shame on you.

[qiuqiuqiu]

I am proud of Chinese culture and appreciate Japanese culture as well. You need to learn to 1. recognize the truth 2. respect other people 3. appreciate a country that has greatly influenced yours. In China, there is a saying goes:" Whenever you drink the water, you should always appreciate the people who dig the well".

[YAMATOKUNI]

Such culture changed in Japan.

It's unrelated to a present-day Chinese.

[vvvviperrrr]

It's added.

There are many Shinto shrines (Jinjya) in Japan.

I prefer Jinjya to a temple.

You visit Jinjya, too, please.

A heart becomes beautiful.

[jn1900]

but your heart is not beautiful?!?!

[thefho]

stop it it's a display of culture and both cultures are unique in there own way so stop your fighting

[samcindytinker]

Interesting.

[Kagura785]

As you have mentioned, the background music is the Takebu-e and Shinobu-e (flutes) playing in Unision. Actually not hard if you get enough training, since I myself play the bamboo flute and does not find it overly hard. Playing flute takes time, you see, as any instrument does. Unless you're on schedule for performance and have a deadline, haha! XD

[ipiuq]

not dance but "mai" 舞い

[CountessNachtfrost1]

Gagagku dates back to the Heian period and is heavily influenced by Chinese dance and instruments. It evolved in Japan from the Chinese Buddhist exchanges when Buddhism came to China from Japan.Gagaku was only performed in the Imperial Court for the Emperor long before the Shogunate took over power in the 16th Century.Very good to see people expressing an interest in Japanese culture:)Thank you very much for these clips.

[ResMolestum]

Waah! I meant to rate 'thumbs up!' Sorry!. Thanks for the background on gagaku.

I really like the stylised movements and the music (whilst not something you'd put on your mp3-player to listen to on the bus) is kinda... I dunno- creepy/classy/cool.

[CaiteDesu]

It's called Gagaku. Traditional court music of Japan. I don't blame you for not liking it, it takes a very speciffic person to like it... I happen to be one of those people ;)

[forestsanctuary]

what's the name of this dance/music???