I have never seen someone so biased and pro-Apple like Walter Mossberg (he definitely has a very good track record in sucking up to Apple). But to go to such an extent to claim that Iphone is the first handheld computer is utterly bullshit. Have you ever heard of something called Windows Mobile (released in 2000)? With WM, I can do things that even the current iOS 5 cannot do. For example, I can download whatever I can see on the Internet (music, videos from mediafire, rapidshare)!!
OriginalZero,,,, your a fool. the kernel is the same. just because it doesnt have the PLUGINS that you want it to have.. doesnt change that they made a mac kernel work on a cellphone.
relly shut up u dont have a clue what u are talking about. you cant use it for any osrt of "good" web browseing. there is no java or flash or any other crap...
this guy is so full of himself its ridiculous. wow. "sleek macbook air, clunky dell" fanboyism right there.
"crammed the mac operating system into something so small" wtf? no they didn't. i can't open quicktime on my iphone. i can't download stuff. i can't dual boot. i can't play intense 3d games.
"the iphone is the first handheld computer" once again, read what i said before.
btw i own a macbook pro unibody, loving it, and an iphone 3gs. i'm not a fanboy on the whole mac vs pc debate
@ironintel no i talk like someone who doesn't take sides. macs and pcs have their ups and downs. macs are very stable and simple to use, but have little to no customization, and cost a bit more for what they have in them. pcs are cheaper and much more customizable, but results on the OS may vary as hardware drivers can sometimes be alittle eh and most pcs come preloaded with a ton of bloatware and proprietary software that they trick you into thinking are needed to work.
a mac, iphone included, is like a porsche. fast, easy to drive, anyone can get good results. pc is more like an F1 racecar, if you are smart enough to use it, it will destroy any mac any day.
Has nothing to do with smarts. If you are harvesting pure processor power for running math and experimental math you would use linux and skip the GUI. If you want word processing, all computers can do that now. If you want games, you need windows. If you want to do any kind of graphics/visual editing Mac provides the best tools for that.
If you are smart, you make use of computers appropriately.
Pile of shit, really? Everyones is designing all their new phones off of the iPhone. Making them look way to similar to it also. Apple has sold millions of thes devices. And it can only improve.
there are MUCH better smartphones than the iphone , iphone ONLY SELLS because of TV having 50 commercials every day , no other smartphone i know of advertises, like all apple products , they are overpriced and over rated and over advertised
believe me , it isnt , iphone only has 1 thing my phone dosnt , wifi , and im noto gonna cry about that because i dont want wifi , but the camera on my phone is fucking imense , iphone camera is a joke !!!! and u cant even use mp3's as ringtones by default , hahaha
yes they are , whats also important is the fact i can customisse my phone , cannot do that o a iphone , nor have a full web browser on a iphone , nor have a REAL operatng system , i own a htc hd2 and its the most superior phone ive ever laid my hands on
lol. The iphone OS is based on a real operating system. I'm not saying your phone is bad, but seamless use is something the iphone does much better than anyone else.
what is easy or not depends on the users peferences , some people say linux is easier than windows , so u know lol , but i consider iphone in the same league as nokias OS's for use of ease and access ,but with lack of 100% costumisation
@girlsdrinkfeck Although you have a point, you can be guaranteed that your phone wouldn't be so good right now if Apple hadn't developed the iPhone. You can't argue with that fact - the other mobile companies would have meandered along for a few more years without the competition from the iPhone.
I would not have splashed out on one - I'm not into gadgets for gadgets sake, I'm 54 years old - but my wife gave it to me as a present. Two weeks later you would have had to pry it 'from my cold dead hands'. The fact that it makes phone calls is almost incidental. I just found myself using it is as mobile internet, alarm clock, calculator, notepad, diary/planner,street finder etc because all of these things work so easily and naturally....no clicking around tiny, confusing menus. Try owning it.
Fag, you cant even spell the names of products properly. Its called the iPhone, with a small letter i and a capital letter P. The name does not come with a hyphen either.
The N-Series are smartphones, not PDAs, so they don't come w/the addtional $25/mo fee. My guess is, this is why no American carrier (T-Mobile, AT&T) offers a service plan or even sells these high-end smartphones.
I'm a mobile phone junkie. The iPhone is a nifty device, but Nokia's N-Series seems far superior. They're not as well stylized, but they do a lot more and have been a lot more dependable. Being 'pc-class' doesn't necessarily mean 'better' in a hand held unit. He mentioned Treo and Windows Mobile. I wonder how the iPhone's system stacks up against Symbian operating systems.
I used the N95 8GB. The only thing I miss is multi-tasking which allowed me to have gtalk open in the background. Other than that it's not even close. The symbian OS just isn't as good and not as well integrated. Also, having the 5 MP camera wasn't enough of a plus to outweigh how much better the iPhone operates.
@MattJones1418 I guess it's just different taste. My N82's 5mp & Xenon allows me to leave my dig camera at home. I can take night shots. I can edit/splice video, overlay text & music. I'd have to carry a bulky camera & laptop if I used iPhone. The whole point of a smarthphone for me is multitasking. I can be on the web while editing a video & still have other programs open. The iPhone is more fun, better looking & I love the larger screen but my N82 just does so much more.
If you're doing serious camera/video work with your smart phone then I am to believe it's not serious. Secondly, you're telling me on your Nokia you have a web page open while simultaneously editing a video? lol.... riiiight
@MattJones1418 I didn't say serious editing. It's just that I can edit. I use it to make my videos & I'm able to edit clips together. That's all I need and the iPhone just doesn't do that & has no decent flash.
And, yeah, I can have a web page open in the background & edit a video at the same time. Seriously. There's even a vid about how many apps you can have open on it. /watch?v=9o3d0Y8loHo
I know you can have the apps open, but what's the real point of that. The iphone keeps the history on apps so you come back in to the same state and you're not wasting battery. Like I said, I miss having my gtalk open 24/7, but the user interface is just a million times better than symbian.
@MattJones1418 N82 keeps history as well if I choose to close, but I don't want to close my chat just to enjoy music or edit my documents. iPhone's user interface is definitely better, and it's screen size and appearance. iPhone is well executed, but I'm a features guy who doesn't want to drag a bulky phone with me either. I like my apps open & ready, not just ready when I open them. You just can't do as much with the iPhone.
@MattJones1418 N82 keeps history as well, but I like my apps open & ready, not just ready... when I open them. I don't want to close my chat to enjoy music or edit a doc. iPhone is well executed, but what it executes isn't nearly as much & I'm more a features guy. Besides, I don't want to drag a bulky camera around w/ all them time. I like a camera than functions at night or in a dark room. Just a difference in taste. ...That's okay ;-)
@MattJones1418 N82 keeps history as well, but I like my apps open & ready, not just ready... when I open them. I don't want to close my chat to enjoy music or edit a doc. iPhone is well executed, but what it executes isn't nearly as much & I'm more a features guy. Besides, I don't want to drag a bulky camera around w/ all them time. I like a camera than functions at night or in a dark room. Just a difference in taste. ...That's okay ;-)
I have never seen someone so biased and pro-Apple like Walter Mossberg (he definitely has a very good track record in sucking up to Apple). But to go to such an extent to claim that Iphone is the first handheld computer is utterly bullshit. Have you ever heard of something called Windows Mobile (released in 2000)? With WM, I can do things that even the current iOS 5 cannot do. For example, I can download whatever I can see on the Internet (music, videos from mediafire, rapidshare)!!
phamtanhuy 2 months ago
before the iphone 3's app store it really didn't have much advantage over the blackberry
dpbertable 9 months ago
Wow, even Walt does the famous signal of Jason with his hand. I wonder what he
has to do with the elite...
Ruttie2 10 months ago
@Ruttie2 this senile old shit.... an elite........ you conspiracy theorists are dumber than i thought
deeindeein 4 months ago
@deeindeein It's a joke, idiot.
Ruttie2 4 months ago
Umm...Android...? Shutup.
oraqol 1 year ago
PC-Grade OS? What a load of bullshit. Try Android out, then tell me how truly impressive the POS iPhone is.
lz3390 1 year ago
I thought Walt Mossberg was just a puppet creation... this blows my MIND!!! SHUT UP!!
briansmobile1 1 year ago 4
Shut up.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago 2
bullshit!
archjeditoleya 1 year ago
Steve Jobs is a arrogant prick.
Apple makes expensive products when you can get a similar product that does pretty much the same thing for HALF THE PRICE.
I would rather be dead than EVER purchase an Apple Product.
I won't even allow one in my apartment.
I am completely Apple free for my entire life. My Commodore 64 was better than the Apple II.
My Amiga was better than the Mac
My PC is better than a Mac.
Just the facts of life.
snake2006 1 year ago
@snake2006
you're such an affected-person. youre a fucking retard, not letting products in your house because you are to poor to buy them. desperate fuck
Jaou123 1 year ago
apple fanass fucktard.
ImperialArmour 1 year ago 2
OriginalZero,,,, your a fool. the kernel is the same. just because it doesnt have the PLUGINS that you want it to have.. doesnt change that they made a mac kernel work on a cellphone.
buckneri 1 year ago
he should read FSJs comments on himself. so true, so hilarious!
thedr00 1 year ago
relly shut up u dont have a clue what u are talking about. you cant use it for any osrt of "good" web browseing. there is no java or flash or any other crap...
marybob321 1 year ago
I'm Walt Mossberg. Shut up.
Khronofox 1 year ago 35
Sigh, walt is such an idiot.
trentryantv 1 year ago
@Khronofox i just found out he was a real person haha
joelchils 1 year ago
@Khronofox lol
JakesTechBox 1 year ago
this guy is a genius
quest8899 1 year ago
he is just trying to say. everything as long as its not window don't suck
26JTan 2 years ago
this guy is so full of himself its ridiculous. wow. "sleek macbook air, clunky dell" fanboyism right there.
"crammed the mac operating system into something so small" wtf? no they didn't. i can't open quicktime on my iphone. i can't download stuff. i can't dual boot. i can't play intense 3d games.
"the iphone is the first handheld computer" once again, read what i said before.
btw i own a macbook pro unibody, loving it, and an iphone 3gs. i'm not a fanboy on the whole mac vs pc debate
OriginalZero 2 years ago 8
@OriginalZero you talk like your somebody. its always the same old... nobody is talking shit against a well known guy
ironintel 1 year ago
@ironintel no i talk like someone who doesn't take sides. macs and pcs have their ups and downs. macs are very stable and simple to use, but have little to no customization, and cost a bit more for what they have in them. pcs are cheaper and much more customizable, but results on the OS may vary as hardware drivers can sometimes be alittle eh and most pcs come preloaded with a ton of bloatware and proprietary software that they trick you into thinking are needed to work.
OriginalZero 1 year ago
One could affix a stylus or tips from an electro-conductive pair of gloves to a prosthetic if they didn't have hands.
dvnchaos 2 years ago
also , how does someone use a iphone if they have artificial fingers/hands ? THEY CANT !
girlsdrinkfeck 2 years ago
Made in the same factory?
Not really.
Just components made in the same factory.
neosurrealist 2 years ago
linux is the most stable and the easy update, updates every software on ur pc at once, what more could u ask for? lol.
but as far as iphone, best phone period. hands down.
it actually does have a mouse type input tho, its all been redesigned in mind of using touch, your finger is the new mouse, lol.
youngmoneyoh10 2 years ago 2
and what is linux based on? unix. what is mac osx based on? unix. derrrrppppp
MattJones1418 1 year ago
a mac, iphone included, is like a porsche. fast, easy to drive, anyone can get good results. pc is more like an F1 racecar, if you are smart enough to use it, it will destroy any mac any day.
adamproskiw 2 years ago
LOL not really.
Smart enough to use it?
Has nothing to do with smarts. If you are harvesting pure processor power for running math and experimental math you would use linux and skip the GUI. If you want word processing, all computers can do that now. If you want games, you need windows. If you want to do any kind of graphics/visual editing Mac provides the best tools for that.
If you are smart, you make use of computers appropriately.
neosurrealist 2 years ago 2
wow he's sucking steve job's balls.
guzzy620 3 years ago 3
you took the words right out of my mouth.
ellianth 2 years ago
95*
girlsdrinkfeck 3 years ago
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iphone = pile of shit , nokia n85 FTW
girlsdrinkfeck 3 years ago
Pile of shit, really? Everyones is designing all their new phones off of the iPhone. Making them look way to similar to it also. Apple has sold millions of thes devices. And it can only improve.
rodriguez256 3 years ago
there are MUCH better smartphones than the iphone , iphone ONLY SELLS because of TV having 50 commercials every day , no other smartphone i know of advertises, like all apple products , they are overpriced and over rated and over advertised
girlsdrinkfeck 3 years ago
Its just because you're are jealous that the iPhone is so much better than your phone. :D
samueltan125 2 years ago
believe me , it isnt , iphone only has 1 thing my phone dosnt , wifi , and im noto gonna cry about that because i dont want wifi , but the camera on my phone is fucking imense , iphone camera is a joke !!!! and u cant even use mp3's as ringtones by default , hahaha
girlsdrinkfeck 2 years ago
obviously ease of use and integration aren't important to you.
MattJones1418 1 year ago
yes they are , whats also important is the fact i can customisse my phone , cannot do that o a iphone , nor have a full web browser on a iphone , nor have a REAL operatng system , i own a htc hd2 and its the most superior phone ive ever laid my hands on
girlsdrinkfeck 1 year ago
lol. The iphone OS is based on a real operating system. I'm not saying your phone is bad, but seamless use is something the iphone does much better than anyone else.
MattJones1418 1 year ago
what is easy or not depends on the users peferences , some people say linux is easier than windows , so u know lol , but i consider iphone in the same league as nokias OS's for use of ease and access ,but with lack of 100% costumisation
girlsdrinkfeck 1 year ago
@girlsdrinkfeck Although you have a point, you can be guaranteed that your phone wouldn't be so good right now if Apple hadn't developed the iPhone. You can't argue with that fact - the other mobile companies would have meandered along for a few more years without the competition from the iPhone.
bistrosidecar 1 year ago
and why do u think that ? LG came out with the concept apple used before the iphone came out
girlsdrinkfeck 1 year ago
PS Sorry (see below) I forgot to mention iPod / iPod video.
ronanocallaghan 3 years ago
I would not have splashed out on one - I'm not into gadgets for gadgets sake, I'm 54 years old - but my wife gave it to me as a present. Two weeks later you would have had to pry it 'from my cold dead hands'. The fact that it makes phone calls is almost incidental. I just found myself using it is as mobile internet, alarm clock, calculator, notepad, diary/planner,street finder etc because all of these things work so easily and naturally....no clicking around tiny, confusing menus. Try owning it.
ronanocallaghan 3 years ago
I hope they didn't pay to watch this primitive and flawed speech. Who are these people?
antimarxism 3 years ago 4
N96 beats the IPhone easily, I wouldn't even consider choosing the I-phone.Nokia N96 rules big-time, Hail Nokia! :)
winterstellar 3 years ago
Fag, you cant even spell the names of products properly. Its called the iPhone, with a small letter i and a capital letter P. The name does not come with a hyphen either.
samueltan125 2 years ago
The N-Series are smartphones, not PDAs, so they don't come w/the addtional $25/mo fee. My guess is, this is why no American carrier (T-Mobile, AT&T) offers a service plan or even sells these high-end smartphones.
proteanview 3 years ago
I'm a mobile phone junkie. The iPhone is a nifty device, but Nokia's N-Series seems far superior. They're not as well stylized, but they do a lot more and have been a lot more dependable. Being 'pc-class' doesn't necessarily mean 'better' in a hand held unit. He mentioned Treo and Windows Mobile. I wonder how the iPhone's system stacks up against Symbian operating systems.
proteanview 3 years ago 2
I used the N95 8GB. The only thing I miss is multi-tasking which allowed me to have gtalk open in the background. Other than that it's not even close. The symbian OS just isn't as good and not as well integrated. Also, having the 5 MP camera wasn't enough of a plus to outweigh how much better the iPhone operates.
MattJones1418 1 year ago
@MattJones1418 I guess it's just different taste. My N82's 5mp & Xenon allows me to leave my dig camera at home. I can take night shots. I can edit/splice video, overlay text & music. I'd have to carry a bulky camera & laptop if I used iPhone. The whole point of a smarthphone for me is multitasking. I can be on the web while editing a video & still have other programs open. The iPhone is more fun, better looking & I love the larger screen but my N82 just does so much more.
proteanview 1 year ago
If you're doing serious camera/video work with your smart phone then I am to believe it's not serious. Secondly, you're telling me on your Nokia you have a web page open while simultaneously editing a video? lol.... riiiight
MattJones1418 1 year ago
@MattJones1418 I didn't say serious editing. It's just that I can edit. I use it to make my videos & I'm able to edit clips together. That's all I need and the iPhone just doesn't do that & has no decent flash.
And, yeah, I can have a web page open in the background & edit a video at the same time. Seriously. There's even a vid about how many apps you can have open on it. /watch?v=9o3d0Y8loHo
I can't help it. ;-)
proteanview 1 year ago
I know you can have the apps open, but what's the real point of that. The iphone keeps the history on apps so you come back in to the same state and you're not wasting battery. Like I said, I miss having my gtalk open 24/7, but the user interface is just a million times better than symbian.
MattJones1418 1 year ago
@MattJones1418 N82 keeps history as well if I choose to close, but I don't want to close my chat just to enjoy music or edit my documents. iPhone's user interface is definitely better, and it's screen size and appearance. iPhone is well executed, but I'm a features guy who doesn't want to drag a bulky phone with me either. I like my apps open & ready, not just ready when I open them. You just can't do as much with the iPhone.
proteanview 1 year ago
@MattJones1418 N82 keeps history as well, but I like my apps open & ready, not just ready... when I open them. I don't want to close my chat to enjoy music or edit a doc. iPhone is well executed, but what it executes isn't nearly as much & I'm more a features guy. Besides, I don't want to drag a bulky camera around w/ all them time. I like a camera than functions at night or in a dark room. Just a difference in taste. ...That's okay ;-)
proteanview 1 year ago
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@MattJones1418 N82 keeps history as well, but I like my apps open & ready, not just ready... when I open them. I don't want to close my chat to enjoy music or edit a doc. iPhone is well executed, but what it executes isn't nearly as much & I'm more a features guy. Besides, I don't want to drag a bulky camera around w/ all them time. I like a camera than functions at night or in a dark room. Just a difference in taste. ...That's okay ;-)
proteanview 1 year ago