With or without religion, good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things... but it takes religion for good people to do bad things.
Im religious but you don't need to believe in God to be good, but the people who saved my life were religious. Seriously kids in public schools are freaken mean and kids in private schools are so nice.
I'm an Atheist and I hate Atheists that are trying to remove religion. I don't care if it exists or not, I want religion to live because it keeps many people under control through illusion. Some religious people would kill if they were Atheists, they don't have many strong morals, at least where I live.
@elibeth121 So tell us your faith, I bet yours is blind, can't be visible if you can't prove it no?.
Why am I an Atheist and have greater morals and intelligence then the religious people living here? I hate religion cause the creators were power hungry people keeping everyone stupid so they can control them however they want.
@Shuffle2dMax If I were to tempt you, you would know it. If I were to accuse you, you would know it. But if I were to deceive you, you wouldn’t know it. The power of Satan is in the lie. If you remove the lie you remove the power
The only problem is that an atheist cannot logically make that claim.
In order to state there is no proof for God's existence, the atheist would have to know all alleged proofs that exist in order to then state that there is no proof for God's existence. But, since he cannot know all things, he cannot logically state there is no proof for God's existence.
Whenever we hear about the latest serial killer or mass murderer, and all the way back through history, it turns out he had a strict religious upbringing -- that asshole in Norway recently, Jeffrey Dahmer, Son of Sam, Richard Chase, Charles Manson, Albert Fish, Herbert Mullin, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, the entire Mafia, Ku Klux Klan, all neo-Nazi groups...
A lot of serial killers have a fascination with the bible... not really surprising considering how morbid the book is.
yes of course people need to punished for their crimes, proportional punishment.'
ill be more specific, if you had a daughter who went to hell for not believing in god, would you agree with that decision?
could you honestly enjoy heaven knowing that your own flesh and blood was experiencing horrors your brain could not imagine, and do you think the punishment is fitting of the crime?
@TehFoo1 : You are in no position to decide what a "proportional punishment" is. The criminal doesn't get to determine how much time he serves. Only the Judge can determine that.
As to the question of if I had a daughter, it would be her choice whether to believe or not, and there's not a whole lot I could do to change her beliefs. And there's certainly nothing I can do about God's judgments of such things. I imagine I would be very sad about it, though, in all honesty.
@TehFoo1 : I was speaking in the context of still being here on Earth. You are right, though, there will be no more sadness in Heaven, so I'm not really sure how that would work.
@SummerSunshine1988 this is one of the reasons i dont believe, the only way around a problem like that in my mind is if god changed the way you think or made you forget your loved ones entirely. theres no way i could enjoy heaven knowing people i loved were being tortured, in fact knowing that any1 was being tortured would be unsettling.
@SummerSunshine1988 That is bull, you as a parent teach the child and if you teach them God the chances of them departing from it are very small. It is less likely for a grown up to become a Christian at and older age, especially if they were not taught in the home.
@elibeth121 lol and if they choose not to? stop kissing imaginary ass and think for yourself, atm if god sent your child to hell you'd probably keep on kissing his ass. its pathetic. any being that would torture anything for any reason at any time is evil, read your book all you want, torture is evil no matter how much you hide from it and make excuses for it
@SqueakerAlpha You have answered yourself by asking the question.Depends what morals are and in that sense understanding Christian moral.Depends on what is a reason behind declaring Christian and what do you understand under Christian.Someone can declare Christian and not live morally;if you understand someone under Christian solely by declaring ,then you are no different than declaring Christian in moral views,does that make you Christian?!
@SqueakerAlpha Even as an atheist, I must say that argument is stupid. They are the majority in prisons because they are the majority outside the prisons.
@micahjava look at the published statistics. Atheists about 5% of the population less than 1% of prison inmates. Christians 60+% of the population and much higher % of prison inmates. Christians have absolute morality put in place by God himself and yet they break them readily, where atheists have no morals but seem to act morally anyway ? hmmm
@elibeth121 and you say atheists have no morals? wow you know all the atheists in the world personally and can confidently say that. atheists have more morals then you christians could ever comprehend, i do good because i want to, not because i get brownie points with a god, your still pathetic
@elibeth121 “If I were to tempt you, you would know it. If I were to accuse you, you would know it. But if I were to deceive you, you wouldn’t know it. The power of Satan is in the lie. If you remove the lie you remove the power.”
@TehFoo1 Wrong you are, I follow God's morals. I am not lying and doesnt deceive or lead to a blind faith. There is not even the teeniest possibility that God deceives or that I am being decieved. Why are atheist or ignorant and stupid? All you have is hyper rationality. Your self confidence blinds you the reality of God, You have nothing, I have salvation.
@TehFoo1 I would not do that. God does not decieve that is satan who deceives never God, He can not. He is pure and holy, he hates what is not the truth. He hates sin. He also would never lead you to blind faith and what isnt real.
@gleehmee Of the authority of God himself, who makes the revelation and can neither deceive nor be deceived. "If God can do anything, can He deceive people?" What we have to remember though is that a sinful act like deception is a deprivation of being. He would not be God. This is why He can neither deceive or be deceived. Indeed. Goodness is completeness, and deception is a lack of completeness. God, being complete, could only deceive if He was incomplete - which is impossible.
God is omnipotent therefore he can lie, it's part of the definition of ALL POWERFUL. Don't you dare call me an idiot after contradicting yourself 5 times on the same subject.
For doing so, and some how not realising 'what' you are doing, you are showing your own deliberate idiocy and the fact you would resort to this school yard tactic of insults instead of self correction demonstrates this moral flaw. Reply CORRECTLY.
geez people , think about it. All societies need a set of rules that all members will follow to keep things running smoothly. Dont kill me , dont steal my stuff, and dont touch my wife and I will do the same for you may be the basic rules. As society gets more complex we add rules until we get to "dont park your car on the northern curb on alternate weekdays. The police and other enforcment people (meter maids , public library staff, litter patrol etc ) make sure you folow the rules, or try to
If you don't believe in something, why spend all your time and day trying to bash it and find out reasons why something doesn't exist? Just can't move on. Just wondering, seems like if you don't believe that there is no god then why keep rambling. Move on? Just wondering... makes no sense to me. If you don't believe in anything why support nothing?
@Dieje yes, and one day i might become a millionare, and find a unicorn, and bigfoot. And santa clause might really exist. Or, god doesn't exist and nothing will happen and no one will ever see. You can't prove it one way or another, however the facts point towards no god. But this however does not take away from the statement that it "could" be true.
Satan does not exist, god does not exist... (nor do souls, ghosts, Bigfoot, werewolves, vampires, psychics, Santa, Zeus, or ANY OTHER made up claim or story. These are for feeble minded and children.
This nitwit caller agrees that morality has nothing to do with god the repeats his assertion that good and bad must be based on someone watching you as if the previous 5 minutes never happened. So typical.
What morals has the Bible taught you? That children should be murdered for disobeying their parents, people who work on the Sabbath shall be stoned to death, slavery, rape and incest are good, stupidity is desirable, disease is your own fault, babies and kids die in earthquakes because they deserve it, mindlessly obey the Leader or burn forever in hell...
Plenty more of course, but nearly out of room. And we know that serial killers are ALWAYS hardcore Christians. Funny, right?
@DocReasonable the bible actually prohibits acts of incest (leviticus 18) and states that acts of rape are punishable by death and that the victim has committed no sin (deuteronomy 22:25-26). and while the bible doesn't say anything against slavery, it does say that you should treat your slaves fairly (ephesians 6:9). I'm sure what you mean by "stupidity is desirable" but i don't think that's correct, and it also doesn't say children are stoned for disobeying. js. im an atheist by the way
@DocReasonable Lot didn't rape anybody, read genesis 19. and 2 peter 2:7-8 describes how he is righteous and mentions "lawless deeds (Lot) saw and heard"
1 corinthians 4:10 "we are fools for christ, but we are wise in christ! we are weak, but you are strong!" but ill give it to you on the children being put to death, they put people to death for a lot of stuff in the old testament.
@DocReasonable i didn't say any of that. obviously, you didn't read genesis 19. Lot does not rape his daughters. With literally no one around, his two daughters were concerned that they needed to continue the family line, and since their father was the only man around, they got him extremely drunk and each had sex with him. and "he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up." (genesis 33) and as screwed up as that is, Lot was not a rapist called a righteous man as you claim.
@ThatNerdfighter 'With literally no one around, his two daughters were concerned that they needed to continue the family line, and since their father was the only man around, they got him extremely drunk and each had sex with him.'
Like I said, JACKASS, it's NOT POSSIBLE FOR A MAN TO HAVE SEX WITH EJACULATION AGAINST HIS WILL.
They had sex with their own father in order to continue HIS family lineage, fuckwit, so you misunderstood completely.
@DocReasonable i DONT think its ethical, I said it's screwed up, its the bible from years and years ago, half the stuff in the old testament is not ethical. and I don't see how I could possibly be misunderstanding this. and for your information, it is completely for a man to have sex against his will. look it up if you don't believe me. and Lot wasnt a rapist
my point in the first place is that the bible is against rape and incest, and the bible does not encourage stupidity like you said it does
@ThatNerdfighter 'my point in the first place is that the bible is against rape and incest'
No it is NOT, you fuckwit. The entire Adam and Eve story is about incest. Who did they have sex with?? THEIR OWN SONS, as they were the only other people on Earth.
No rape?
Isaiah 13 15-16 'Their CHILDREN also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes, their houses shall be spoiled, and their WIVES ravished.'
@DocReasonable yes, there is rape and incest in the bible but that doesn't mean it supports it. there are stories of rape and incest but the point is that it comes right out and says that you shouldn't rape or have an incestuous relationship or whatever.
and how do you think guys get raped in present day if they can't have sex against their will?
One argument that I have room to defend here goes like this:
1) If God did not exist, objective morality would not exist.
2) Objective morality does exist.
3) Therefore, God exists.
This is a perfectly valid statement: the conclusion follows the premises.
Another argument I like is the argument from the historicity of the Resurrection. While I don't have room to defend this here, I would like to know what you think about the moral argument.
@THEEVANTHETOON one argument i have room to defend here goes like this:
1) If God existed or not, morality still exists
2) People are moral with or without folllowing God.
3)Therefore God doesn't exist.
This is a perfectly valid statement: the conclusion follows the premises.
Animals are moral in their ways, and there is no mention of God creating their laws and morals. We are animals, and more destructive than the rest. That defends my argument.
I disagree. Number 1) is incorrect (if God did not exist, not only would there be no standard of moral values that amounts to anything more than nihilism, but even if there were, there would be no reason to follow them), 2) is a complete straw-man (the moral argument I gave has nothing to do with believing in God. We're duscussing moral ontology, not moral epistemology), and 3) is a non sequitur (some people are good without God, but how does this prove that He doesn't exist?).
@THEEVANTHETOON ill answer 3 first. we are moral without god because everybody develps a moral system without him. i say this because we do not follow his morals (marrying with whom you rape, killing those who dont believe as you, stoning disobediant children and those who work on sunday, owning slaves, etc)
2) some say you need to follow 'god' to be moral, but those who take no part in that or any religion are still moral, so hows that a straw man argument
"those who take no part in that or any religion are still moral, so hows that a straw man argument"
I'll answer this first. Take a look at the argument I presented:
1) If God does not exist, than objective moral values do not exist.
2) Objective moral values do exist.
3) Therefore, God exists.
The conclusion follow the premises (modus tollens). So which premise do you deny? Clearly you don't deny 2); you make moral judgements about the Old Testament...
@THEEVANTHETOON ill answer 3 first. we are moral without god because everybody develps a moral system without him. i say this because we do not follow his morals (marrying with whom you rape, killing those who dont believe as you, stoning disobediant children and those who work on sunday, owning slaves, etc)
2) some say you need to follow 'god' to be moral, but those who take no part in that or any religion are still moral, so hows that a straw man argument
...laws. You claim that we can be "moral" without believing in God. But what do you mean by moral? what the source of morality? Is it subjective? If so, than isn't morality simply about meaningless preference, no more than our favorite ice cream flavor? Interestingly, you seem to agree with 2), just you express some concern about the Old Testament Law, which I will explain in a moment. But nothing you say seems to deny 1).
...epistemology. Yes, an Atheist can be good without God, but what do they mean by "good"? Furthermore, the argument has nothing to do with believing in God, as it is an ontological argument. So saying that one can be good without believing in God has nothing to do with the argument I presented; not only does it not refute my argument, but reaffirms it!
"everybody develps a moral system without him"
So I can murder all the people I want so long as I deem it moral? Please...
Notice that the argument I present does not appeal to the Bible. At most, this argument questions the infallibility of the Old Testament.
Now, who says the Mosaic law perfectly reflects God's will? Interestingly, Jesus seems to affirm that it does not (Matthew 5.31-2, 19.8). Paul Copan in his book "Is God a Moral Monester" argues that the Mosaic Law was only meant...
...for a certain people at a certain time in a certain place. They were not meant to be universally binding. This is indeed biblically supported; apart from the verses I have quoted that come from Christ Himself, Paul continuously argues that the Old Testament law was only meant to point out sin and to Christ.
Lastly, you don't seem to disagree with God's commands, just the punishments involved. I'm sure you will agree that children should respect their parents, but you...
...might believe that sending them to their room might be more effective than stoning. But remember that ancient Israel was a Theocracy; unlike today, things that are deemed immoral were also illegal. Adultery, for example, was a capital crime. Sins such at this would disrupt society, hurt others, etc., and had a much more profound effect on society than they would today.
"some say you need to follow 'god' to be moral"
There are evangelists who say this, yes, but it...
...really depends on what we mean by "good". By the Atheistic defintion of "good" (more good things than bad things), I'm sure there are plenty of Atheists who are decent chaps. The Christian definition is slightly different: anything less than perfection is not good. As a Christian, I am perfectly fine admitting to others that I fall far short of this standard. Check out Christ's Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7; I probably break every single one of these sayings every day!
I think you misunderstand what the OT Law says about rape. There are three particular cases:
1) Consensual sex between a man and a woman who is engaged to another man, which was a violation of marriage (Deuteronomy 22.23). Both parties were to be executed.
2) Rape of a woman who is engaged to another man (Deuteronomy 22.25). Only the rapist is executed; the woman is innocent.
3) Seduction of a young woman who is not engaged to another man (Deuteronomy 22.28; Exodus 22.16-17). The seducer is obliged to marry the young woman and provide for her, if she will have him; otherwise her father may refuse him and demand payment of the usual bridal gift.
"owning slaves"
Read what the Law says about how slaves should be treated. What do you have to say about this?
@THEEVANTHETOON the law says if you beat your slave and he doesn't die within 3 days, your fine. if, however, you beat your slave and he dies, then you're in trouble. hmm, maybe it shoulda said DONT OWN A FUCKING SLAVE OR BEAT ANYONE UP! ALSO DONT KILL BEHEMISTS THAT DONT BELIEVE THE SAME BATSHIT CRAZY RELIGION AS YOU!!
"the law says if you beat your slave and he doesn't die within 3 days, your fine"
I encourage you to do some more research on this. The Mosaic Law mentions much about how slaves are to be treated; they are to be fed, clothed, they are allowed to participated in religious festivals, to marry, and must be freed after a certain amount of time. If they escape, they are not required to be sent back, and, if they are permanently injured in any way, they are required to be freed.
Besides, we must consider the context of the situation. People would often choose slavery as they were prisoners of war or in great debt. Today, we have ways to get out of these situations, but then, they did not. For many people, being a slave was the only way they could survive.
"ALSO DONT KILL BEHEMISTS"
What's a "BEHEMIST"? I'm guessing you are referring to a "blasphemer", which has nothing to do with not believing in God.
Do you want to debate or do you want to engage in emotional rhetoric? If you want to choose the latter, be my guest, but then please change your youtube account's name. Seriously, you are worth listening to until you start Ad Hominem attacking.
It's clear that you have not even read the Bible, and what you know about it you are getting from bias Atheist websites who seldom take the time to actually understand what a verse is saying.
Do you think that there are objective moral values? Why or why not?
One argument that I have room to defend here goes like this:
1) If God did not exist, objective morality would not exist.
2) Objective morality does exist.
3) Therefore, God exists.
This is a perfectly valid statement: the conclusion follows the premises.
Another argument I like is the argument from the historicity of the Resurrection. While I don't have room to defend this here, I would like to know what you think about the moral argument.
One argument that I have room to defend here goes like this:
1) If God did not exist, objective morality would not exist.
2) Objective morality does exist.
3) Therefore, God exists.
This is a perfectly valid statement: the conclusion follows the premises.
Another argument I like is the argument from the historicity of the Resurrection. While I don't have room to defend this here, I would like to know what you think about the moral argument.
We should have no qualm about scorning the self deluded, irrational, parasitic, cowardice religious. They deserve no respect, only ridicule, disdain, and contempt. Their ridicules beliefs are 1st century ignorance and fear at its worst. It is of the utmost importance for the health of civilization to eradicate the god virus and drag the indoctrinated feeble minded fools into the 21st century.
gotta love the argument that atheists are immoral and commit evil acts because they lack gods authority and divine morality (which is a joke in itself). but have those jesusnazis ever looked at the prison statistics? evidently not
Christians love to claim that we can only be good with god, but little do they know that Jesus says "only god is good" thus destroying their entire argument.
"I just love Westboro Baptist Church" Wait, what? Please say that wasn't serious
Christians never get the point; YOU say you have proof God exists, YOU prove He exists!
I don't have belief in God, yet I know what's classed as good & what's classed as bad in the eyes of others around me, so I accept their views of good & bad can be different to my own, be they religious or athiest
Any believer using the morals argument needs to be feared. Im serious. People who think that way cannot be mentally stable and need to stay religious at all costs. They should not be persuaded into disbelief. What they are really saying is that without belief in a God, they would find killing, raping, etc to be acceptable and they are confused about why Atheists are NOT going around doing these things. Which means they would be. We dont want people like that to be Atheists lol.
Second coming of my son 21st century style to lift all up & out of it. Heaven moves with the times. All in darkness worldwide religious political dilemma proof earth Godless is evil. Even the birds know of my existence when they fly on my breeze. Words are very important when they hit my air. All say what you say when you say it & do what you do when you do it, makes no odds up here. You can not let heaven down only yourselves. @Number10gov OFFICIAL JC2011RTN UK EARTH
One does have to believe to be good: the word 'believe' does not appear in the Hebrew bible because it is not belief based but law based. One is only not good if he does something bad, and 'ONLY THE SOUL THAT SINS [COMMITS A CRIME] SHALL PAY". Millions of innocent folk have been killed by Christianity & Islam because they used the word 'BELIEF' - and this is because they have no laws. There is no such thing as Gospel or Islamic law - check with your local sherrif if in doubt.
@AncientsReborn if you knew how slow my internet speed was in university, you would understand. takes 5 minutes to download 2.5 min clips! I have to pause them and come back later.
Suffering is bad. Therefore, causing suffering is also bad. How can people not understand that simple fact? Even a 4 year old kid has enough logic to make that connection.
@SummerSunshine1988: And you're evidence for this is? We're waiting... still waiting... OHHHHH, I get it, you are just pulling fantasies out of your ass with no evidence to back them up in the hope that you won't really die but continue to live and get all the things you want... Grow up dude, your imaginary friend isn't real, no matter how many times you lie to yourself trying to stave off the fear of oblivion.
@SummerSunshine1988 And Muslims have the Qu'ran and Hindu's have the Bhagavad Gītā and those books are good enough for them. That doesn't make them correct. What evidence do you have that the "Holy" Babble is correct in it's claims over the claims of those religious texts? But then again, you believe that your death will somehow begin your never ending life, so I shouldn't expect much intelligence from your responses...
So? That only tells me that a lot of people of different languages believe what the bible says, it does not say anything on how correct or true the bible is.
So are you appealing to the masses? Because lots of people believe, it must be true or correct? Sorry, that's a no go.
@BastEternal : The Bible says that God's word will never be forgotten. Not everyone can quote verses from these other books, but almost everyone can quote at least one verse from the Bible.
Guess what - the world is not the USA. Step out of your bubble because the world is a lot bigger than you think.
Please provide some proof that almost everyone can quote a bible verse. Plucking stats out of the air to try to prove your point is only proving that you have nothing substantial to base your claim on.
Then your argument fails. You're committing a logic fallacy in that you're appealing to the masses. Not everyone knows a scripture in the bible. Babies don't know it. People who have not been exposed to the bible don't know it. There are even people who know about the bible but haven't memorized scripture.
I personally know a scripture or two because I was forced to learn them when I was a child. It's called indoctrination.
@BastEternal : I've been confronted by many an atheist. They are all very well versed in quoting scripture. The interpretation department is somewhat lacking, but they know their stuff as far as quotation.
@SummerSunshine1988 So because you've been confronted by "many" atheists (20, 30, 100, 500?) who can quote bible scripture, all of a sudden most atheists can quote bible scripture?
*sigh*
Suffice it to say if you continue appealing to the masses to make a point, then your point will be suspect and questioned.
Since you can't prove most atheists know bible scripture and "almost everyone" can quote scripture, then this debate is rather pointless.
@SummerSunshine1988 And you have the audacity to include atheists who have been forced to learn scripture in your pool of people that "almost everyone knows bible scripture" so that means that "god's word will never be forgotten?"
You can't prove that it will never be forgotten, because there's a future you can't foresee. If statistics are anything to go by, atheist pop is rising and so is their visibility.10 years ago I would have been afraid to admit to being an atheist in person. No anymore.
@BastEternal : Well, it's 2011, and people haven't forgotten yet. You're right, I cannot see into the future, but I'm willing to bet half my bank account that in two hundred years, people still will not have forgotten. You're right, more and more people are becoming atheists and Christianity is dying (fulfilling yet another Biblical prophecy), but, as I said, even most atheists can quote the scriptures.
More 'wholesome family' lessons from the Bible (WARNING: NOT FOR CHILDREN):
'For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.' Ezekiel 23:20
'And I will cast abominable filth upon thee, and make thee vile, and will set thee as a gazingstock.' Nahum 33:6
'Hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss?' 2 Kings 18:27
DocReasonable 1 week ago
This caller got way too much air time ...
rossmetacraft 3 weeks ago
With or without religion, good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things... but it takes religion for good people to do bad things.
Just putting that out there.
LerkurlianTamer 1 month ago
I'm an athiest because I disapprove false hope in order to get people to do the right thing.
agentdark64 1 month ago
@agentdark64 I am a Christian and I approve that God is not false hope. and we need God to do the right things.
elibeth121 1 week ago
Im religious but you don't need to believe in God to be good, but the people who saved my life were religious. Seriously kids in public schools are freaken mean and kids in private schools are so nice.
UkexP 1 month ago
I'm not a child anymore. I don't need someone watching over me (especially a magical sky ghost) to tell me what's right and wrong
TheHomelessCripple 1 month ago
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@takedavis 'God allowed Satan to touch Job'
WRONG: Job 1:16-19 THE FIRE OF GOD HATH FALLEN FROM HEAVEN, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants.
'God does not create evil.'
WRONG: 'I am God, I create evil.' - Isiah 45 7
Stop lying, God won't like you.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
I'm an Atheist and I hate Atheists that are trying to remove religion. I don't care if it exists or not, I want religion to live because it keeps many people under control through illusion. Some religious people would kill if they were Atheists, they don't have many strong morals, at least where I live.
Shuffle2dMax 1 month ago
Then you are blind. Like your faith.
chinopisces 1 month ago
@chinopisces no one who believes in God has blind faith no one
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 So tell us your faith, I bet yours is blind, can't be visible if you can't prove it no?.
Why am I an Atheist and have greater morals and intelligence then the religious people living here? I hate religion cause the creators were power hungry people keeping everyone stupid so they can control them however they want.
Shuffle2dMax 1 month ago
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@Shuffle2dMax hmm wrong you are.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 and dude, one more thing, evil doesn't exist. Nothing is real, everything is permitted...
Shuffle2dMax 1 month ago
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@Shuffle2dMax If I were to tempt you, you would know it. If I were to accuse you, you would know it. But if I were to deceive you, you wouldn’t know it. The power of Satan is in the lie. If you remove the lie you remove the power
elibeth121 1 month ago
Why are atheist so ignorant or it is just pure stupidity. Satan has really hardened your hearts to not believe in such a loving kind Heavenly Father.
elibeth121 1 month ago
The only problem is that an atheist cannot logically make that claim.
In order to state there is no proof for God's existence, the atheist would have to know all alleged proofs that exist in order to then state that there is no proof for God's existence. But, since he cannot know all things, he cannot logically state there is no proof for God's existence.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@EdgyAtheist No, you are a dick because you are a dick
elibeth121 1 month ago
Whenever we hear about the latest serial killer or mass murderer, and all the way back through history, it turns out he had a strict religious upbringing -- that asshole in Norway recently, Jeffrey Dahmer, Son of Sam, Richard Chase, Charles Manson, Albert Fish, Herbert Mullin, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, the entire Mafia, Ku Klux Klan, all neo-Nazi groups...
A lot of serial killers have a fascination with the bible... not really surprising considering how morbid the book is.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable They are not Christians, nor is the bible morbid., They cleary worshipped satan, they is not bad in God, he is not evil, he is pure
elibeth121 1 month ago
Anyone who worships that murdering Bible God is a sick, evil, groveling coward.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable what a true atheist ignorant stupid reply that is. We are evil, and we are not cowards and God doesnt murder.Get a clue
elibeth121 1 month ago
hahahahahahaha
santa is the cause of our economy
it has nothing to do with the consumerism of the american people or the fact that we're at war in a couple countries. it's just santa's fault
ThatNerdfighter 1 month ago
yes of course people need to punished for their crimes, proportional punishment.'
ill be more specific, if you had a daughter who went to hell for not believing in god, would you agree with that decision?
could you honestly enjoy heaven knowing that your own flesh and blood was experiencing horrors your brain could not imagine, and do you think the punishment is fitting of the crime?
TehFoo1 1 month ago
@TehFoo1 : You are in no position to decide what a "proportional punishment" is. The criminal doesn't get to determine how much time he serves. Only the Judge can determine that.
As to the question of if I had a daughter, it would be her choice whether to believe or not, and there's not a whole lot I could do to change her beliefs. And there's certainly nothing I can do about God's judgments of such things. I imagine I would be very sad about it, though, in all honesty.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988 but you would be in heaven, eternal bliss, you wouldnt be sad would you?
TehFoo1 1 month ago
@TehFoo1 : I was speaking in the context of still being here on Earth. You are right, though, there will be no more sadness in Heaven, so I'm not really sure how that would work.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988 this is one of the reasons i dont believe, the only way around a problem like that in my mind is if god changed the way you think or made you forget your loved ones entirely. theres no way i could enjoy heaven knowing people i loved were being tortured, in fact knowing that any1 was being tortured would be unsettling.
TehFoo1 1 month ago
@TehFoo1 : I believe that God's a pretty smart guy, so He'll figure it all out later.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988 have you read the bible? all of it?
TehFoo1 1 month ago
@TehFoo1 : Yes. Many times.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988 and what did you think of it?
TehFoo1 1 month ago
@TehFoo1 : As a whole, I love it.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988 including the old testament?
TehFoo1 1 month ago
@TehFoo1 : Yes. Keeping in mind that the Old Testament and the New Testament work together to create one book. They aren't separate.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988 That is bull, you as a parent teach the child and if you teach them God the chances of them departing from it are very small. It is less likely for a grown up to become a Christian at and older age, especially if they were not taught in the home.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@TehFoo1 if you have a problem of where you child is going, then teach your child the way to God.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 lol and if they choose not to? stop kissing imaginary ass and think for yourself, atm if god sent your child to hell you'd probably keep on kissing his ass. its pathetic. any being that would torture anything for any reason at any time is evil, read your book all you want, torture is evil no matter how much you hide from it and make excuses for it
TehFoo1 1 month ago
why if christian morals are so good do christians make up a significant part of the prison populations in the USA ?
SqueakerAlpha 3 months ago 10
@SqueakerAlpha You have answered yourself by asking the question.Depends what morals are and in that sense understanding Christian moral.Depends on what is a reason behind declaring Christian and what do you understand under Christian.Someone can declare Christian and not live morally;if you understand someone under Christian solely by declaring ,then you are no different than declaring Christian in moral views,does that make you Christian?!
hapobelle 2 months ago
@SqueakerAlpha Even as an atheist, I must say that argument is stupid. They are the majority in prisons because they are the majority outside the prisons.
micahjava 1 month ago
@micahjava look at the published statistics. Atheists about 5% of the population less than 1% of prison inmates. Christians 60+% of the population and much higher % of prison inmates. Christians have absolute morality put in place by God himself and yet they break them readily, where atheists have no morals but seem to act morally anyway ? hmmm
SqueakerAlpha 1 month ago
@SqueakerAlpha Atheist have no morality, they just do whatever they want.
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 and you say atheists have no morals? wow you know all the atheists in the world personally and can confidently say that. atheists have more morals then you christians could ever comprehend, i do good because i want to, not because i get brownie points with a god, your still pathetic
TehFoo1 1 month ago
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@TehFoo1 so are you, as pathetic as satan is
elibeth121 1 month ago
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@elibeth121 “If I were to tempt you, you would know it. If I were to accuse you, you would know it. But if I were to deceive you, you wouldn’t know it. The power of Satan is in the lie. If you remove the lie you remove the power.”
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@TehFoo1 I also do not do good because I want to, I do good because I love God
elibeth121 1 month ago
@elibeth121 lol then you have no morals, your simply lieing to yourself thinking you can trick your fake god into letting you into heaven, pathetic
you quote "if i were to decieve you, you wouldnt know", so theres a chance your god is decieving you, why are christians like you so retarded?
TehFoo1 1 week ago
@TehFoo1 Wrong you are, I follow God's morals. I am not lying and doesnt deceive or lead to a blind faith. There is not even the teeniest possibility that God deceives or that I am being decieved. Why are atheist or ignorant and stupid? All you have is hyper rationality. Your self confidence blinds you the reality of God, You have nothing, I have salvation.
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 lol you follow gods morals, i hope i dont meet you down a dark alley as your likely to rape me then kill me
and how are you so sure your not being decieved? let me guess, because you are.
blah blah blah keep chatting your crap
TehFoo1 1 week ago
@TehFoo1 I would not do that. God does not decieve that is satan who deceives never God, He can not. He is pure and holy, he hates what is not the truth. He hates sin. He also would never lead you to blind faith and what isnt real.
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 why can god not decieve? don't you know omnipotence means he can do ANYthing? deception is under the umbrella of "anything".
gleehmee 1 week ago
@gleehmee Of the authority of God himself, who makes the revelation and can neither deceive nor be deceived. "If God can do anything, can He deceive people?" What we have to remember though is that a sinful act like deception is a deprivation of being. He would not be God. This is why He can neither deceive or be deceived. Indeed. Goodness is completeness, and deception is a lack of completeness. God, being complete, could only deceive if He was incomplete - which is impossible.
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 So he's not omnipotent?
gleehmee 1 week ago
@gleehmee Yes he is omnipotent
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 So he can lie?
gleehmee 1 week ago
@gleehmee Nope
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 so he is not omnipotent?
gleehmee 1 week ago
@gleehmee He is omnipotent.
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 so he can lie?
gleehmee 1 week ago
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elibeth121 6 days ago
@elibeth121 How dare you?!
You evil... ...whatever you are.
God is omnipotent therefore he can lie, it's part of the definition of ALL POWERFUL. Don't you dare call me an idiot after contradicting yourself 5 times on the same subject.
For doing so, and some how not realising 'what' you are doing, you are showing your own deliberate idiocy and the fact you would resort to this school yard tactic of insults instead of self correction demonstrates this moral flaw. Reply CORRECTLY.
gleehmee 6 days ago
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elibeth121 1 month ago
@SqueakerAlpha who ever said that Christians do not fall or sin?
elibeth121 1 month ago
geez people , think about it. All societies need a set of rules that all members will follow to keep things running smoothly. Dont kill me , dont steal my stuff, and dont touch my wife and I will do the same for you may be the basic rules. As society gets more complex we add rules until we get to "dont park your car on the northern curb on alternate weekdays. The police and other enforcment people (meter maids , public library staff, litter patrol etc ) make sure you folow the rules, or try to
SqueakerAlpha 3 months ago
Will someone please educate this jackass below me?
dkthg 3 months ago
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dkthg 3 months ago
If you don't believe in something, why spend all your time and day trying to bash it and find out reasons why something doesn't exist? Just can't move on. Just wondering, seems like if you don't believe that there is no god then why keep rambling. Move on? Just wondering... makes no sense to me. If you don't believe in anything why support nothing?
Dieje 3 months ago
HAHAHAHA Brilliant song!
MrHollywood1717 3 months ago
Jen is adorable
3234718 3 months ago
satan exists
God exists
We will all see one day.
Dieje 3 months ago
@Dieje yes, and one day i might become a millionare, and find a unicorn, and bigfoot. And santa clause might really exist. Or, god doesn't exist and nothing will happen and no one will ever see. You can't prove it one way or another, however the facts point towards no god. But this however does not take away from the statement that it "could" be true.
ChainsThatBind 3 months ago
@Dieje
Satan does not exist, god does not exist... (nor do souls, ghosts, Bigfoot, werewolves, vampires, psychics, Santa, Zeus, or ANY OTHER made up claim or story. These are for feeble minded and children.
When we die, that's it! Game over.
easyas314 3 months ago
@easyas314 nope when we die, we will be in paradise when you die if you do not repent and keep rejecting God, you will be in hell
elibeth121 1 month ago
This nitwit caller agrees that morality has nothing to do with god the repeats his assertion that good and bad must be based on someone watching you as if the previous 5 minutes never happened. So typical.
Kailoa36 3 months ago
What morals has the Bible taught you? That children should be murdered for disobeying their parents, people who work on the Sabbath shall be stoned to death, slavery, rape and incest are good, stupidity is desirable, disease is your own fault, babies and kids die in earthquakes because they deserve it, mindlessly obey the Leader or burn forever in hell...
Plenty more of course, but nearly out of room. And we know that serial killers are ALWAYS hardcore Christians. Funny, right?
DocReasonable 3 months ago 8
@DocReasonable the bible actually prohibits acts of incest (leviticus 18) and states that acts of rape are punishable by death and that the victim has committed no sin (deuteronomy 22:25-26). and while the bible doesn't say anything against slavery, it does say that you should treat your slaves fairly (ephesians 6:9). I'm sure what you mean by "stupidity is desirable" but i don't think that's correct, and it also doesn't say children are stoned for disobeying. js. im an atheist by the way
ThatNerdfighter 1 month ago
@ThatNerdfighter 'the bible actually prohibits acts of incest (leviticus 18) '
Yet elsewhere it describes Lot raping both of his daughters, and Jesus later calls Lot a 'righteous man' (2 Peter 2:7-8)
'I'm sure what you mean by stupidity is desirable'
'We are fools for Christ's sake.' 1 Corinthians 4:10
'doesn't say children are stoned for disobeying'
'And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.' Ex 21:17
Try harder, douchebag!
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable Lot didn't rape anybody, read genesis 19. and 2 peter 2:7-8 describes how he is righteous and mentions "lawless deeds (Lot) saw and heard"
1 corinthians 4:10 "we are fools for christ, but we are wise in christ! we are weak, but you are strong!" but ill give it to you on the children being put to death, they put people to death for a lot of stuff in the old testament.
ThatNerdfighter 1 month ago
@ThatNerdfighter 'Lot didn't rape anybody, read genesis 19'
OK, so you're saying that his two daughters got him SO rolling drunk that he was able to have sex with them both while he was unconscious.
You've obviously never had sex before, but a man is not capable of impregnating two (or any) women against his will.
So you BLAME THE GIRLS for their father's disgusting acts....
FUCK OFF, you fucking loser.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable i didn't say any of that. obviously, you didn't read genesis 19. Lot does not rape his daughters. With literally no one around, his two daughters were concerned that they needed to continue the family line, and since their father was the only man around, they got him extremely drunk and each had sex with him. and "he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up." (genesis 33) and as screwed up as that is, Lot was not a rapist called a righteous man as you claim.
ThatNerdfighter 1 month ago
@ThatNerdfighter 'With literally no one around, his two daughters were concerned that they needed to continue the family line, and since their father was the only man around, they got him extremely drunk and each had sex with him.'
Like I said, JACKASS, it's NOT POSSIBLE FOR A MAN TO HAVE SEX WITH EJACULATION AGAINST HIS WILL.
They had sex with their own father in order to continue HIS family lineage, fuckwit, so you misunderstood completely.
You think this shit is ETHICAL?!
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable i DONT think its ethical, I said it's screwed up, its the bible from years and years ago, half the stuff in the old testament is not ethical. and I don't see how I could possibly be misunderstanding this. and for your information, it is completely for a man to have sex against his will. look it up if you don't believe me. and Lot wasnt a rapist
my point in the first place is that the bible is against rape and incest, and the bible does not encourage stupidity like you said it does
ThatNerdfighter 1 month ago
@ThatNerdfighter 'and for your information, it is completely for a man to have sex against his will. look it up if you don't believe me. '
I AM a man, you stupid fuck, so I already KNOW it is not possible. Dunce.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@ThatNerdfighter 'my point in the first place is that the bible is against rape and incest'
No it is NOT, you fuckwit. The entire Adam and Eve story is about incest. Who did they have sex with?? THEIR OWN SONS, as they were the only other people on Earth.
No rape?
Isaiah 13 15-16 'Their CHILDREN also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes, their houses shall be spoiled, and their WIVES ravished.'
You know what RAVISHED means, clown?
DocReasonable 1 month ago
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ThatNerdfighter 1 month ago
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@DocReasonable yes, there is rape and incest in the bible but that doesn't mean it supports it. there are stories of rape and incest but the point is that it comes right out and says that you shouldn't rape or have an incestuous relationship or whatever.
and how do you think guys get raped in present day if they can't have sex against their will?
ThatNerdfighter 1 month ago
What a disturbing song at the beginning.
PsychoticSnake 4 months ago 2
Does anybody know of evidence for any god? I would really like to know about it if there is any.
jeremythehuman 4 months ago
@jeremythehuman
One argument that I have room to defend here goes like this:
1) If God did not exist, objective morality would not exist.
2) Objective morality does exist.
3) Therefore, God exists.
This is a perfectly valid statement: the conclusion follows the premises.
Another argument I like is the argument from the historicity of the Resurrection. While I don't have room to defend this here, I would like to know what you think about the moral argument.
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@THEEVANTHETOON one argument i have room to defend here goes like this:
1) If God existed or not, morality still exists
2) People are moral with or without folllowing God.
3)Therefore God doesn't exist.
This is a perfectly valid statement: the conclusion follows the premises.
Animals are moral in their ways, and there is no mention of God creating their laws and morals. We are animals, and more destructive than the rest. That defends my argument.
LOGIC42369 4 months ago
@LOGIC42369
I disagree. Number 1) is incorrect (if God did not exist, not only would there be no standard of moral values that amounts to anything more than nihilism, but even if there were, there would be no reason to follow them), 2) is a complete straw-man (the moral argument I gave has nothing to do with believing in God. We're duscussing moral ontology, not moral epistemology), and 3) is a non sequitur (some people are good without God, but how does this prove that He doesn't exist?).
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@THEEVANTHETOON ill answer 3 first. we are moral without god because everybody develps a moral system without him. i say this because we do not follow his morals (marrying with whom you rape, killing those who dont believe as you, stoning disobediant children and those who work on sunday, owning slaves, etc)
2) some say you need to follow 'god' to be moral, but those who take no part in that or any religion are still moral, so hows that a straw man argument
LOGIC42369 4 months ago
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@LOGIC42369
"those who take no part in that or any religion are still moral, so hows that a straw man argument"
I'll answer this first. Take a look at the argument I presented:
1) If God does not exist, than objective moral values do not exist.
2) Objective moral values do exist.
3) Therefore, God exists.
The conclusion follow the premises (modus tollens). So which premise do you deny? Clearly you don't deny 2); you make moral judgements about the Old Testament...
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@THEEVANTHETOON ill answer 3 first. we are moral without god because everybody develps a moral system without him. i say this because we do not follow his morals (marrying with whom you rape, killing those who dont believe as you, stoning disobediant children and those who work on sunday, owning slaves, etc)
2) some say you need to follow 'god' to be moral, but those who take no part in that or any religion are still moral, so hows that a straw man argument
LOGIC42369 4 months ago
@LOGIC42369
...laws. You claim that we can be "moral" without believing in God. But what do you mean by moral? what the source of morality? Is it subjective? If so, than isn't morality simply about meaningless preference, no more than our favorite ice cream flavor? Interestingly, you seem to agree with 2), just you express some concern about the Old Testament Law, which I will explain in a moment. But nothing you say seems to deny 1).
Now, don't confuse moral ontology with moral...
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@LOGIC42369
...epistemology. Yes, an Atheist can be good without God, but what do they mean by "good"? Furthermore, the argument has nothing to do with believing in God, as it is an ontological argument. So saying that one can be good without believing in God has nothing to do with the argument I presented; not only does it not refute my argument, but reaffirms it!
"everybody develps a moral system without him"
So I can murder all the people I want so long as I deem it moral? Please...
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@LOGIC42369
...tell me that you don't actually believe that.
"i say this because we do not follow his morals"
Notice that the argument I present does not appeal to the Bible. At most, this argument questions the infallibility of the Old Testament.
Now, who says the Mosaic law perfectly reflects God's will? Interestingly, Jesus seems to affirm that it does not (Matthew 5.31-2, 19.8). Paul Copan in his book "Is God a Moral Monester" argues that the Mosaic Law was only meant...
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@LOGIC42369
...for a certain people at a certain time in a certain place. They were not meant to be universally binding. This is indeed biblically supported; apart from the verses I have quoted that come from Christ Himself, Paul continuously argues that the Old Testament law was only meant to point out sin and to Christ.
Lastly, you don't seem to disagree with God's commands, just the punishments involved. I'm sure you will agree that children should respect their parents, but you...
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@LOGIC42369
...might believe that sending them to their room might be more effective than stoning. But remember that ancient Israel was a Theocracy; unlike today, things that are deemed immoral were also illegal. Adultery, for example, was a capital crime. Sins such at this would disrupt society, hurt others, etc., and had a much more profound effect on society than they would today.
"some say you need to follow 'god' to be moral"
There are evangelists who say this, yes, but it...
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@LOGIC42369
...really depends on what we mean by "good". By the Atheistic defintion of "good" (more good things than bad things), I'm sure there are plenty of Atheists who are decent chaps. The Christian definition is slightly different: anything less than perfection is not good. As a Christian, I am perfectly fine admitting to others that I fall far short of this standard. Check out Christ's Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7; I probably break every single one of these sayings every day!
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@LOGIC42369
"marrying with whom you rape"
I think you misunderstand what the OT Law says about rape. There are three particular cases:
1) Consensual sex between a man and a woman who is engaged to another man, which was a violation of marriage (Deuteronomy 22.23). Both parties were to be executed.
2) Rape of a woman who is engaged to another man (Deuteronomy 22.25). Only the rapist is executed; the woman is innocent.
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@LOGIC42369
3) Seduction of a young woman who is not engaged to another man (Deuteronomy 22.28; Exodus 22.16-17). The seducer is obliged to marry the young woman and provide for her, if she will have him; otherwise her father may refuse him and demand payment of the usual bridal gift.
"owning slaves"
Read what the Law says about how slaves should be treated. What do you have to say about this?
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@THEEVANTHETOON the law says if you beat your slave and he doesn't die within 3 days, your fine. if, however, you beat your slave and he dies, then you're in trouble. hmm, maybe it shoulda said DONT OWN A FUCKING SLAVE OR BEAT ANYONE UP! ALSO DONT KILL BEHEMISTS THAT DONT BELIEVE THE SAME BATSHIT CRAZY RELIGION AS YOU!!
LOGIC42369 4 months ago
@LOGIC42369
"the law says if you beat your slave and he doesn't die within 3 days, your fine"
I encourage you to do some more research on this. The Mosaic Law mentions much about how slaves are to be treated; they are to be fed, clothed, they are allowed to participated in religious festivals, to marry, and must be freed after a certain amount of time. If they escape, they are not required to be sent back, and, if they are permanently injured in any way, they are required to be freed.
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@LOGIC42369
Besides, we must consider the context of the situation. People would often choose slavery as they were prisoners of war or in great debt. Today, we have ways to get out of these situations, but then, they did not. For many people, being a slave was the only way they could survive.
"ALSO DONT KILL BEHEMISTS"
What's a "BEHEMIST"? I'm guessing you are referring to a "blasphemer", which has nothing to do with not believing in God.
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@LOGIC42369
"BATSHIT CRAZY RELIGION AS YOU"
Do you want to debate or do you want to engage in emotional rhetoric? If you want to choose the latter, be my guest, but then please change your youtube account's name. Seriously, you are worth listening to until you start Ad Hominem attacking.
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@THEEVANTHETOON it was emotional rhetoric, but you ignored the point that came before it that gives it something to stand on.
LOGIC42369 4 months ago
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@LOGIC42369
It's clear that you have not even read the Bible, and what you know about it you are getting from bias Atheist websites who seldom take the time to actually understand what a verse is saying.
Do you think that there are objective moral values? Why or why not?
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
@THEEVANTHETOON I say that you shouldnt question God's morality that is not your job, your job is to follow God and treat him with respect.
elibeth121 1 month ago
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@jeremythehuman
One argument that I have room to defend here goes like this:
1) If God did not exist, objective morality would not exist.
2) Objective morality does exist.
3) Therefore, God exists.
This is a perfectly valid statement: the conclusion follows the premises.
Another argument I like is the argument from the historicity of the Resurrection. While I don't have room to defend this here, I would like to know what you think about the moral argument.
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
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@jeremythehuman
One argument that I have room to defend here goes like this:
1) If God did not exist, objective morality would not exist.
2) Objective morality does exist.
3) Therefore, God exists.
This is a perfectly valid statement: the conclusion follows the premises.
Another argument I like is the argument from the historicity of the Resurrection. While I don't have room to defend this here, I would like to know what you think about the moral argument.
THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
Sound quality was awful, otherwise a typically good point was made by you guys.
hznfrst 5 months ago
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We should have no qualm about scorning the self deluded, irrational, parasitic, cowardice religious. They deserve no respect, only ridicule, disdain, and contempt. Their ridicules beliefs are 1st century ignorance and fear at its worst. It is of the utmost importance for the health of civilization to eradicate the god virus and drag the indoctrinated feeble minded fools into the 21st century.
scotttebben 5 months ago 2
We shouldn't believe in good and evil. They are absolutes. Morality is measured in many shades of grey and that doesn't mean dark grey is acceptable.
Never3rd 6 months ago
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Pikkabuu 7 months ago
gotta love the argument that atheists are immoral and commit evil acts because they lack gods authority and divine morality (which is a joke in itself). but have those jesusnazis ever looked at the prison statistics? evidently not
managarm1349 7 months ago
Every time I hear that song, I laugh. Really loud.
CallMeRiverton 8 months ago
LMFAO! the intro song was hilarious!
TheOdinSeeker 8 months ago 2
Christians love to claim that we can only be good with god, but little do they know that Jesus says "only god is good" thus destroying their entire argument.
Emanresu56 9 months ago
@Emanresu56 Only God is good, but at least Christians try to be good
elibeth121 1 month ago
"I just love Westboro Baptist Church" Wait, what? Please say that wasn't serious
Christians never get the point; YOU say you have proof God exists, YOU prove He exists!
I don't have belief in God, yet I know what's classed as good & what's classed as bad in the eyes of others around me, so I accept their views of good & bad can be different to my own, be they religious or athiest
Tarynus 10 months ago
@Tarynus
"I just love Westboro Baptist Church" Wait, what? Please say that wasn't serious.
Ye it's this thing we call irony.
lulhoofd1 9 months ago
@lulhoofd1 Oh, thank science for that
Tarynus 9 months ago 2
@Tarynus
Couldn't agree with you more and may science bless you.
lulhoofd1 9 months ago 2
Axiomatic...Every time I watch one of these I learn a new word. I love it!
Airmanf7 10 months ago
Any believer using the morals argument needs to be feared. Im serious. People who think that way cannot be mentally stable and need to stay religious at all costs. They should not be persuaded into disbelief. What they are really saying is that without belief in a God, they would find killing, raping, etc to be acceptable and they are confused about why Atheists are NOT going around doing these things. Which means they would be. We dont want people like that to be Atheists lol.
JabberCT 10 months ago 29
@BlackPhantom559 Prove it without it demanding faith.
hellhammerz666 11 months ago
Second coming of my son 21st century style to lift all up & out of it. Heaven moves with the times. All in darkness worldwide religious political dilemma proof earth Godless is evil. Even the birds know of my existence when they fly on my breeze. Words are very important when they hit my air. All say what you say when you say it & do what you do when you do it, makes no odds up here. You can not let heaven down only yourselves. @Number10gov OFFICIAL JC2011RTN UK EARTH
Godtomanonly 11 months ago
I knew it was a prank! Nobody can be that stupid. . .
Account4TheMusic 11 months ago
Ugh, the people who call up are retarded. They just don't understand how to reason.
HeretixAevum 11 months ago
One does have to believe to be good: the word 'believe' does not appear in the Hebrew bible because it is not belief based but law based. One is only not good if he does something bad, and 'ONLY THE SOUL THAT SINS [COMMITS A CRIME] SHALL PAY". Millions of innocent folk have been killed by Christianity & Islam because they used the word 'BELIEF' - and this is because they have no laws. There is no such thing as Gospel or Islamic law - check with your local sherrif if in doubt.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
I believe in God because without the Bible, everyone would kill everyone else and the muslims would take over cus their God is fake and evil
iliveon 1 year ago
@iliveon How old are you?
Tazz2006 11 months ago
@Tazz2006 19, but that was good satire eh?
iliveon 11 months ago
@iliveon good satire but too convincing
ltaewonify 11 months ago
PLEASE! whoever uploads these take out the intro, its a minute long... and a pain in my areshole
markgg1 1 year ago 54
@markgg1 I rather enjoyed it :)
AncientsReborn 11 months ago
@AncientsReborn if you knew how slow my internet speed was in university, you would understand. takes 5 minutes to download 2.5 min clips! I have to pause them and come back later.
markgg1 11 months ago
@markgg1 Lol! I understand now.
AncientsReborn 11 months ago
@markgg1 fast forward brains
DamEllSunny 8 months ago
Suffering is bad. Therefore, causing suffering is also bad. How can people not understand that simple fact? Even a 4 year old kid has enough logic to make that connection.
rmcdaniel423 1 year ago
Caller: "Unicorns are real."
Maybe that guy really believes in unicorns. Who knows.
Kincajou 1 year ago
Jen looks like a Neopolitan ice cream sandwich. Yum.
sparky7718 1 year ago
fuck all atheists
dhide14 1 year ago
@dhide14. I agree! And also... there is no God!
IanEColeman 1 year ago
@dhide14 fuck them in a good way.
zupdurp 1 year ago
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@dhide14 Fuck god. Fuck him in the ass.
4llvar 1 year ago
@dhide14
Your better of fucking Catholics mate, there's more to choose from, and boy they bang like dunny doors.
jemorrismmorris 1 year ago
God does exist. You don't have to believe in God to keep yourself from doing evil, but you do have to believe in God to enter Heaven someday.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 that is total bullshit
seanpatapon 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988: And you're evidence for this is? We're waiting... still waiting... OHHHHH, I get it, you are just pulling fantasies out of your ass with no evidence to back them up in the hope that you won't really die but continue to live and get all the things you want... Grow up dude, your imaginary friend isn't real, no matter how many times you lie to yourself trying to stave off the fear of oblivion.
TheSkepticalApe 1 year ago 4
@TheSkepticalApe : I have the Bible. It's good enough for me.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 -haha have fun with your circular argument.
Bakersfieldsucks777 1 year ago 4
@SummerSunshine1988 the bible does shit that the only proof u have that's sad '.'.'.(
l4dlovemaker2000 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 And Muslims have the Qu'ran and Hindu's have the Bhagavad Gītā and those books are good enough for them. That doesn't make them correct. What evidence do you have that the "Holy" Babble is correct in it's claims over the claims of those religious texts? But then again, you believe that your death will somehow begin your never ending life, so I shouldn't expect much intelligence from your responses...
TheSkepticalApe 9 months ago
@TheSkepticalApe : The Bible is the most widely circulated book in the world, even over these other so-called holy books.
SummerSunshine1988 9 months ago
So? That only tells me that a lot of people of different languages believe what the bible says, it does not say anything on how correct or true the bible is.
So are you appealing to the masses? Because lots of people believe, it must be true or correct? Sorry, that's a no go.
BastEternal 8 months ago
@BastEternal : The Bible says that God's word will never be forgotten. Not everyone can quote verses from these other books, but almost everyone can quote at least one verse from the Bible.
SummerSunshine1988 8 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Who is everyone? The Swedes? The Dutch? The Chinese?
Guess what - the world is not the USA. Step out of your bubble because the world is a lot bigger than you think.
Please provide some proof that almost everyone can quote a bible verse. Plucking stats out of the air to try to prove your point is only proving that you have nothing substantial to base your claim on.
BastEternal 8 months ago
@BastEternal : "Everyone" is just that. Everyone. I'm perfectly aware that the world is not the USA.
SummerSunshine1988 8 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 "Everyone" is just that. Everyone."
Then your argument fails. You're committing a logic fallacy in that you're appealing to the masses. Not everyone knows a scripture in the bible. Babies don't know it. People who have not been exposed to the bible don't know it. There are even people who know about the bible but haven't memorized scripture.
I personally know a scripture or two because I was forced to learn them when I was a child. It's called indoctrination.
BastEternal 8 months ago
@BastEternal : You'll realize that in my original statement I said "almost everyone"
SummerSunshine1988 8 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Yes, so? Everyone/ almost everyone. They're both appeal to the majority/masses.
BastEternal 8 months ago
@BastEternal : Even most atheists can quote the Bible. So my statement still stands.
SummerSunshine1988 8 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 And you know this how exactly?
BastEternal 8 months ago
@BastEternal : I've been confronted by many an atheist. They are all very well versed in quoting scripture. The interpretation department is somewhat lacking, but they know their stuff as far as quotation.
SummerSunshine1988 8 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 So because you've been confronted by "many" atheists (20, 30, 100, 500?) who can quote bible scripture, all of a sudden most atheists can quote bible scripture?
*sigh*
Suffice it to say if you continue appealing to the masses to make a point, then your point will be suspect and questioned.
Since you can't prove most atheists know bible scripture and "almost everyone" can quote scripture, then this debate is rather pointless.
BastEternal 8 months ago
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@BastEternal : You're the one who contacted me, but in any case, it was nice chatting with you.
SummerSunshine1988 8 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988 And you have the audacity to include atheists who have been forced to learn scripture in your pool of people that "almost everyone knows bible scripture" so that means that "god's word will never be forgotten?"
You can't prove that it will never be forgotten, because there's a future you can't foresee. If statistics are anything to go by, atheist pop is rising and so is their visibility.10 years ago I would have been afraid to admit to being an atheist in person. No anymore.
BastEternal 8 months ago
@BastEternal : Well, it's 2011, and people haven't forgotten yet. You're right, I cannot see into the future, but I'm willing to bet half my bank account that in two hundred years, people still will not have forgotten. You're right, more and more people are becoming atheists and Christianity is dying (fulfilling yet another Biblical prophecy), but, as I said, even most atheists can quote the scriptures.
SummerSunshine1988