VBS Shaker

[fangorn40]

My parents sent me to 'Bible Camp' when I was a kid for 7 years running (despite my protests) Vacation Bible School I can only imagine is going to be the same sort of thing. I am now 34 and haven't spoken to my parents for nearly 15 years and have spent a good 11 years in therapy because of shit like Bible Schools - forced religion (any religion) is a very, very bad thing... period

[StJohnCovina]

I too "forced" my kids to not only attend VBS but had them in church every Sunday year round. To really make their lives miserable, they were enrolled in Lutheran schools from preschool through high school. Somehow, some way they survived, got married to great spouses, and work as a fifth grade teacher and a cop. Your therapist, who has made good money off you for 11 years should have told you long ago that your problem is inside you, in your own heart.

[fangorn40]

Your probably right about my problems being inside me, who put them there? Me? my parents? God? I deal with my problems my own way. I don't want to go into huge detail about things that have happened in my life, things that happened at Bible Camp, things that shouldn't happen at a Bible Camp, things that my parents refused to believe happen at Bible Camp. Being punished, physically and verbally by my parents because I was telling 'lies' about these 'good, God fearing men.

[fangorn40]

Then being told that I had to spend my summer vacation back at Bible Camp to learn that the power and the love of God is what I needed... and the summer after that and after that until it got so bad I tried to kill myself. And I was not the only one. Religion, Bible Camp, Christianity and by extention God has completely f****d me up.

[fangorn40]

But hey if I go by your way of thinking, I must have been the most evil 7 year old boy ever and deserved Gods wrath. And don't tell me that my therapist has wasted his time over the last 11 years, I can sleep now with out getting stoned or drunk, I no longer wake up screaming when I do fall asleep, The nightmares have stopped I am so much better now than I was thanks to therapy and not religion.

[fangorn40]

Religion and the dogmatic small minded views that surround it are WRONG. Your children are lucky if nothing ever happened to them, that or they didnt tell you as theyd probably already know (as they would have been told as I was) that they wouldnt be believed, would you have believed them? Or would you simply have said that God doesnt allow these sort of things to happen as my parents did?

[StJohnCovina]

I grew up without God, not having faith or being baptized into my Christian church until I was 33 years old. I volunteered as librarian on Fridays at my kid's parochial school. The real faith in God that I saw in the faces of those young children years ago softened my hard heart and opened my eyes to my Saviour Jesus Christ. I am sorry about your bad experiences and parents, but the Bible does teach that is real life. I too have known great hurt and rejection. Christ alone can heal you and I.

[StJohnCovina]

BTW, my 29 year old daughter and 26 year old son are monitoring what I say to you. My daughter reminded me to be sensitive to your situation. Again I am sorry for whatever happened to you. But the Bible teaches that your parents and church leaders were fallen sinners in need of redemption, as am I, my pastor, my wife and kids and everyone else in this stinking, doomed world. Jesus is coming soon for his people. In the meantime, He has abundant life and love he wants to give you right now.

[maxdog555]

believe it or not we felt it here in bakersfield

[StJohnCovina]

Hey Ron......... We believe you. They say that this was our hardest one since 1994. There was a gentle roll punctuated by a few really sharp jolts. I always try to remember that as we surf through these that literally millions of people are feeling what we do at the same time. Blessings to you and yours, Mike

[Audiomuse]

lol you guys better have been praying lool

[geonerd]

Flee for your lives, Fundy Scum! The wrath of Dog is upon you!

[dronus]

lol...I live in san bernardino and it was a pretty good one...lol