I feel like Dawkins has deluded himself into thinking that evolution is a fact. Evolution is a theory because it has not been proven and will never be proven unless someone creates a time machine and goes through all of time.
@camthejock You're right that it wasn't one-on-one, nor was it particularly formal. I think, however, that the idea that a formal debate is required in order for Craig to appear convincing simply shows that he is a professional debater. Dawkins is not. He has stated that he will no longer participate in these staged debates, where the point is not to come to a conclusion, but to win points, but he is willing to have an informal discussion. Craig is a good debater, but that's about all he's got.
"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
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The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their evolution agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible.
"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their evolution agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible.
"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their evolution agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible.
"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their evolution agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible.
HAHAHAH I was thinking this lady is annoying as hell.. and then she asks a question and Dawkins said it! "your shouting in my ear I can't understand you" lol
wow...well said mr dawkins. i completely agree with the idea that any supreme being would be far greater than any of the "puny" manmade religions that exist today
I do consider myself to be a devout atheist, but Dawkins repeatedly gives many of the rest of us a bad name by being a pompous ass. He calls himself a scientist but looks down on anyone who even poses as a skeptic to what he says.
@rrearleii That isn't giving an example, obviously I've just watched at least one video (this one) and not seen it, hence why I asked for an example. He might point out how ridiculous some people's opinions are, but I have always seen him be patient and polite to a fault even in lengthy conversations with real lunatics like that guy who ran the creationist school in England. So there's my example.
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I wish Richard would start talking shit, then I wouldn't be so pissed with myself for taking so long to find someone who so eloquently articulates what I have held to be correct for over 30 years. If I were more flexible, I'd kick myself in the bum.
If youre sick of religious privilege/nonsense in the UK, consider joining the National Secular Society and/or British Humanist Association (of which Mr Dawkins is vice president), who both do great work in reducing the impact of religion on public life.
How annoying an interviewer she is, bad questions and remarkably annoying loud way of asking them. She's just one step better then FOX News because at least she wasn't shouting over her guests answers to her questions.
What a cheap set up in asking how your book is doing then mumbling good sales pitch. What garbage reporting and obvious weasel tactics.
@MrFullofshirt Rolol, Dont believe in Atheists? um.......can you please clarify this statment because I dont think you know what being an Athiest means.
at 3.57 that body shape she gets into when she asks the questions, that's weird, what's more interesting is why do these asshole interviewers act so annoying. Well it clearly to provoke people. She knows she being a dumb ass, but the "how is the book doing" and he answers . But the response "oh nice bit of marketing" , thats the reason he's doing the interviewing !!. How did this annoying woman get on TV, but Bill O'Reilly is sill of course the biggest asshole on TV by a mile.
@WayneLynch69 Hahahaha. That's one of the best things I've read all day. Good thing you're not serious that would make you look really ignorant. Troll 10/10 because you almost seem serious. So glad there are not really people in the world like you are pretending to be, that would be depressing.
I mean, if as a woman you have to act as a man in serious fields to prove yourself is because you lack something, "women studies" and feminists have turned the obvious incapacity and absence of women in many fields except the kitchen as the perverse result of the discrimination of men against women, That is mediocre.
That Richard finds absurd a question she finds interesting tells us a lot about the mental state of women and not just about her. this is a worldwide unspoken phenomenon, women tend to think that they can make men to think the way they want funny to say the least. pretty sad on the other hand
@TheKenTerry Yes on 1.58 she clearly labels the following question as "interesting", and Richard lets her know that in fact is just an absurd question which it does not deserves an answer, nevertheless he gives one, but she obviously did not like his remark and felt alluded and that is why on 2.13 she makes a gesture with her hand like saying well this a matter of opinion, women, particularly religious women, have a mental, moral and ethical problem, and Richard is brilliantly exposing them
@TheKenTerry You initially suggested she did not say she finds the question "interesting". Well she does. But even worse is that she thought it was going to be enough labelling the question as "interesting" to push Richard to give a serious answer to an idiotic question made by a religious person. That is sad!. And is a worldwide sickening phenomenon that is related to how women think they can influence men on their views. Well not this man obviously, but theirs yes, That is sickening
@TheKenTerry Well if she is asking a question someone else posted, then she has to stop labelling questions in favor of her personal opinion, because on point 2.59 of this same video when asking another question she clearly states to clean her hands "his words of course not us". Labelling me as sexist is not going to help you hide the fact that she manipulates, and that manipulation is a typical problem that women have. That is why women "love" children, because they can manipulate them. Sick
@TheKenTerry Richard is a link in the chain, but whether you like it or not, the future is not going to be of an atheist world where the family will become the "center" of society letting manipulation of children to survive, together with religion will fall all institutions born from it. The aim is to free children from people like you, dismantling religion is just a mean not an aim.
@TheKenTerry Last but not least labelling me as a person scared of women reveals a serious mental state of delusion, you manipulate my disgust into fear just it makes you feel safe and OK with yourself. Your kind are obsessed with manipulation and will use fear in any form they can, fear to god, fear to women, fear everywhere, I do not fear people like you, they disgust me.
You are disgusted with women for no just reason. Fear to God? Hello, i'm an Atheist. I don't need to fearmonger like you, saying things like "oh she moved her hand so she is trying to manipulate Dawkins" How the hell is that even logical? You are the one saying women manipulate babies, where the hell is your proof? Again, i'm done...you're not an intellect, and I don't bother to speak with anything less than that. Message me if you want to keep it going, but i'm done on this page.
@TheKenTerry When someone says I am an atheists, but still thinks to have moral rights towards their children is because they do not understand what science is all about. Do not forget that Richard is primarily a scientist, a biologist, there is nothing in nature that points to the assumption that parents should have any moral rights towards their descendants, there is nothing in nature that can be compared to the silliness of the human family, even so some "atheist" think this way.
@TheKenTerry I did not say that when the CNN reporter moved her hand she was trying to manipulate Richard, that would be an absurd statement. And those are your words not mine, I said that she moved her hand after Richard said (what an absurd question), and she did it in a gesture of, WELL, that is what you think, but not what I think I think the question is interesting then this is a matter of opinion. As if been absurd could be a matter of opinion.
@TheKenTerry Asking me for any kind of proof about the manipulation of children is a completely idiotic request, you obviously like the power you can exercise on children like Christians do, and whether you are an atheist or not that is sickening, you have a problem. I do not send private messages to anyone, that have very little to do with the aims of youtube.
sounds like some one is talking to the devil ! the devil has you and all of you atheist fooled . and i see he has blessed your mouth with dirty insults . you are the devils workers . how dare you go to war with God . it would better if you were never born ! what will you do oh man of the earth when the fire rains from the sky . and you see the face of the creator of heaven and earth . as you see the power of man trimble from the power . and might of the almighty God !
and the evidence is there is real i written all over the world is undeniable the museums of natural history are full and are plenty of transitional fossils, dna evidence you name just see it is there 150 year and going how can you deny is not a theory is a fact we including me are transitional forms we are not above of natural order, evolution tell us from where we came from no where are we going nor what we can do
@jronzani, if that is the attitude of people in the West then we have already lost the fight against religious extremism. If we are all too 'afraid' to stand up and say anything then they will walk all over us and we won't do a thing about it. Appeasing them just as we appeased Hitler in the 1930s...
@thechessstick There are millions of ways of making fallacious generalizations and you are probably following half of them. Tell me, do you label people for the lack of something (assuming you are saying "evolutionists" are "atheists")? Do you know every fucking "evolutionist" to say they are this or that?
You are one of the dumbest users I've ever seen in YouTube, and that's very hard to say...
Hey squirmy, are you gonna answer the Darwin question? i thought a self-proclaimed debunker of theist bullshit wouldn't be put on the rack this easy, you sure can squirm boy.
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I've said the Bible is a book inspired by God written thousands of years ago. It is a balance of prophesy, wisdom, education, history and poetry. As a book it cannot escape things that all books have in common, they are read by minds, not scanned by computer or ribosome. You're struggling on this point, like RD.
@naturalpreservation I'm struggling on nothing. You've answered the question for me. The bible is not divine in origin and is no different than any other written work by man. As such I place no more value or reverance on it then I do the Sunday Times.
You will never agree to it but you just proved me right. The bible is nothing special.
You don't read, or you simply can't. I'll put it down to your blinkered mind's eye, which means that you are not disillusioned with the Bible, but your shallow reading and misinterpretation if the Bible. I've said that the Bible is inspired by God but read by humans, and no other species.
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You can't get it into your thick skull that humans read the Bible as humans, not Gods. Like I've said, we are more 'of' God than animals, but we're well short of being Gods, and you even more so.
I'b be surprised if you've read two of Richard's books cover to cover and yet you gush with praise and knee-jerk to his defence with unconvincing claims of 'smearing' on points it's all to clear you don't have an inkling what you are arguing against. That truly is the stuff of blind devotion.
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You've said God is a delusion, provided a dictionary definition and consistently showcased the very poor reasoning ability resulting in you being a failed Rabbi. I can't see you debunking squat.
The Bible is the book that is inspired by God and remains the most read book of all time. It outlines the story of creation and is a spiritual, historical book of wisdom and prophecy and poetry that has enlightened human minds for centuries. I've called it the living book and it has proven capable of doing something that other books struggle with, and that is standing the test of time.
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I know it is beyond you, but even reading my words has proven beyond you, as you've squirmed wriggly
@naturalpreservation Other than your appeal to the majority (in itself a logical fallacy) nothing you said here cannot also be said of the koran. The koran is likes a story of creation and is a spiritual and historical book that has enlightened minds for centuries.
As for standing the test of time, the torah has at least 2,000 years on the bible so nothing you have said here shows the bible to be any more valid than any other religious text.
Is that another goodbye? You're predictable, I'll give you that. If you think that 'questioning' is 'debunking theist bullshit' think again. I say that to someone who has seeming issues in even thinking, never mind again. I think you'll find the Christian Bible (as in Old Testament and New Testament) is the most read book of all time, and as such has a position in time unlike no other.
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The Torah is older, but there have been more Christians in history than any other faith system.
@naturalpreservation Again with your appeal to majority which is a logical fallacy. If your basis for choice is the popularity of the religion then you should convert to Islam as there are currently over one billion followers of that faith, far more than those who describe themselves as christian.
Yet another of your bullshit arguments debunked.
You're the classical dolt who wants to have their cake and eat it too.
Richard Dawkins has written a number of books expanding on the gene-centrist school of evolution. Such a position has resulted in primatologist Frans De Waal calling this 'veneer theory'. Dawkins (as is the case) could be totally overstating 'genes as bookkeepers' as the causative force in evolution, and wouldn't undermines the general theory of evolution.
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That is the case in science which is supposedly more methodical than religion, yet your closed mind denies religion this. Stunning
@naturalpreservation Show me where science is the pursuit of truth. Religion is professed to be the absolute truth. Of course I'm going to hold claims of that magnitude to a different, more rigorous set of standards.
Religion is not science, although in Thessalonians it is there nice and clear, readers of the Bible are urged to test scripture and hold on to what is good. You have stated something deeply ridiculous that evolution is not advanced as a fact when for institutional, academic, literary and research biology evolution as a process is a fact. Within/across this fact there are a range of schools of thought (and this is methodical science remember) often conflicting.
So you are saying that it is alright to have conficting views and approaches in science, which deals in a level of measurement beyond religion, and yet you cite that same difference of view as evidence against religion. You are a fool. You should be pitied.
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With that kind of logic, it is the young earthers that would have you in knots. You're a real product. Also, I've lost count of the times Richard has said "I care passionately about the truth" in recent years
Where does it say in the Bible that the Bible is "the absolute truth". Where does it say that? It is not a science, or an engineering book, so how it can be 'the absolute truth'? You are making that up, that is your opinion. It is a spiritual book and that being the case can only deal in spiritual truths about humans and to a much lesser extend, God.
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You are making ridiculous statement after ridiculous statement now. You're either tired, or being sensational trying to be heard again.
I'm not appealing to the majority, you are getting your points mixed up, although I think you are cherry-picking in order to feel a false (although real for your mind) sense of progress here. Youi said that the Torah had stood the test of time like no other, and I pointed out that the Christian bible had been read by more people, that was all. Usual you, mischief making (which is not the same as debunking) by blending in another point to create some apparent confusion.
You are seemingly oblivious to patterns in the way that knowledge is constructed and reconstructed beyond faith, in every department of knowledge, including science. We can see a 'survival of the fittest' approach to evolution emerging from mid-Victorian England that was influenced by the zeitgeist of that time. If we go to Russia and a different cultural environment we can see in Kropotkin's 'Mutual Aid' another perspective on evolution. They are not wrong, but different perspectives.
You are not capable of debunking squat. The only thing I can see you debunking would be against died-in-the-wool young earth creationists. Oh how proud you must be of being able to do that. Time and time again you have been a glaring example of someone who likes 'popular science' more popular than scientific, and it shows in the level of reasoning you are capable of, or rather incapable of.
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You're much better at using profane language and talking about the size of your shits though.
There are a number of schools of thought within/through the fields of evolutionary biology and some are challenges to others. Does that mean that evolution is wrong? I mean this as a real question, so don't squirm away, or reply in some waffly way about context.
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Do the competing, and at times challenging to each other, schools of thought within/through evolution undermine the idea of evolution?
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Answer the question. No squirming or excuse-making with 'context' wahsupi.
@naturalpreservation No, the differing ideas of evolution do not undermine for the plain and simple fact that no scientist has ever stated that evolution is the absolute fact. One cannot make this claim about religion. Everyone claims that their religion is the one and only true religion but you see it instead through the lens of cultural preference. If your stance is that the selection of religious beliefs is based on personal and cultural choices then atheism is just as relevant a choice.
You are spectacularly wrong. Dawkins' most recent book 'Evolution - The Greatest Show on Earth' was all about proving the fact of evolution. You'll have to try pretty hard to be be even more wrong than what you have just said. The biological and botanical sciences are settled that evolution is a fact, an absolute fact that multiple layers of reinforcing evidence from different fields endorses.
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It's past midnight now and following that last desperate statement I can say you're pathetic
1. You said that the Bible is "the absolute truth", and that is total garbage. It deals in spiritual wisdom, teachings towards truth, but you said "the absolute truth". No wonder you struggle with the Bible(s).
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2. You said this after stating that evolution was not claimed to be the truth, when for the field of evolutionary biology evolution (at every level of biology, and there are several) evolution is a fact.
@naturalpreservation I only wish I had the space to recap all your twisted logic and bullshit arguments. From appeals to the majority to claiming that the bible is no different than any other mortal work but still deserving of reverance it's all astounding. You refuse to answer why your religious beliefs are any more valid than those of a muslim or a jew. You're pathetic. You're delusional. You're just what I have come to expect from a member of the flock.
You can't come back from that no-mark. Evolution is not a fact, when it is. That is precious. Also, you said the bible is "the absolute truth" when that is complete garbage. More garbage from you.
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You can't even see with your closed mind that you have been totally busted and undermined by yourself there. No wonder the Bible falls short of your self-framed standard of "the absolute truth", there's a lot of knowledge out there.
@naturalpreservation Ok, so the church has it all wrong and jesus is not the only way to eternal life. The bible is just as valid as is the Torah and the Koran or atheism for that matter.
Is that the position you're holding to or are you going to lie some more and try to twist it around again?
@naturalpreservation oh, and by the way. You need to learn some reading comprehension. There is a vast difference between an fact and an "absolute fact" you miserable lying douche.
Debating, with you? You flatter yourself. You're a joke that holds the bible to a standard your fictioned in your own mind, and lower science's scope all to fit in with your weak narrative. What a joke.
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And to think you are a self-styled 'debunker of theist bullshit' only makes me laugh and chuckle more. I think a young earther could take you on a bad day. Still at least you've got those big shits of yours, you seem to be okay at reading their length.
@naturalpreservation I've debunked all your claims. I know this because every single fucking time I ask you the central question you dart away and go back to this condescending bullshit.
I am going to ponder on the level of ignorance you have displayed there for a while longer. I know you want to move it on Rabbi, but your statements there were so ridiculous in their magnitude I'd like to ponder on them for a few chuckling moments longer.
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Debunker my ass. You're a joke if you think the stuff you have is in the least bit convincing. No wonder you revere Dawkins so. However, there is a difference between talking the talk and walking the walk. You wouldn't know no-mark.
Yeah, yeah. You're the little boy that cried wolf. I get it, you're leaving, you're victorious leaving never to return.....then you return. Make your closed mind up.
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You deal in black and white, in absolutes and with that mindset cultural relativity (and social reality I hasten to add) will remain a mystery to you. You want things to be simpler than they are and if Richard is selling a gene-centrist, meme-centrist "follow me and I'll make it simple" narrative, then follow him Rabbi.
@naturalpreservation I don't deal in black and white. I'm just trying to get you to answer a fucking question you miserable prick. All you have is condescension, bullshit arguements and demanding that your religion is both vital and equal. you'r a fucking joke.
I ask again.
Is the bible no more relevant than the torah or the koran. A simple answer is all that is needed here.
You are correct, in fact you don't have condescension from me, it's more like total contempt. I've stated before that agnosticism and atheism are understandable positions. However, you are a self-proclaimed 'debunker of theist bullshit' whose signature argument concludes that God is a rapist. Your sensationalism has deepened tonight by saying that biologist don't see evolution as a fact and the Bible is "the absolute truth".
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You're too black and white to be a Rabbi, or priest, or imam
@naturalpreservation Again, you're a lying cockbag but I've come to expect this from you. I never made the claim that the bible is the absolute truth. I merely restated the claim of so many catholics that the bible is the one and true word of god. I can see why comprehension is so difficult for you.
you've also treid to put forth the laughable argument that science has proven god existence which was easily and utterly destroyed. That's when you tried to equate the bible to a magazine.
I didn't say that science proved God, more garbage from you. I said that the layered process of Genesis over seven ages was underlined more by science than it was undermined. That's okay, I know that when you grossly warp my words that you are struggling even more than you have done.
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How could religion be enough for you when you are framing it in terms of "the absolute truth" as you humourously stated. And that was just after saying that science doesn't deal in facts and truth. Bless.
Look at your going into reverse gear now, "I never made the claim that the bible is the absolute truth" when that was what you said. Even YOU don't believe YOU. Debunking has to mean something different across the Atlantic, it has to, because you suck major league at it Rabbi.
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You're a product and you are exactly the thing you accuse of in others. Closed minded, and uncritical of thought. You are blindly devoted to Dawkins, knee-jerking in defence when you're short on knowledge. Bless
I have good friends I holiday with who are Muslims and the Koran is a source of wisdom for them in the same way I get wisdom from the Bible. The Bible is not my sole source of wisdom, and I have already stated I prefer to read the social, natural and physical sciences rather than reading the Bible, Koran and Torah.
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Seriously, all things aside, culture's relativity is just too big for you. Look at the way you frame your questions, you think this is like a kid's crossword Rabbi.
@naturalpreservation Be still my heart. You actually answered a question. Well, now that we have established that ALL religious texts are equal that means that no one religion is the single path to god. From that we can make three deductions. 1-all religion is man made. 2-God is all powerful and could stop the confusion but chooses not too. 3-God is not all powerful and hence cannot act on his behalf.
Either way there is no valid argument as to why I should worship your god.
You've already exhibited failed logic time and time again. I take what you say with a pinch of salt, self-styled debunker man-child. I've answered all your questions, you are confusing me you your own squirming or "Can I take the context excuse on that one?" non-answer.
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Content, content, content on the Bible from 1,000s of years ago and one question on Darwin and it was all "I'm not commenting until I know the context" - more joke book stuff from you. Entertaining stuff indeed Rabbi.
@naturalpreservation Whatever you need to feel like you won but in the end you admitted the the bible is no more valid than the torah or the koran. That opens up a vast number of possibilities about whether or not religion itself is even valid as all religions claim to be the true path to god.
I don't need to feel like I have won against the likes of you. I knew from the outset you were a sensationalist little person who thinks that life owes him a living. That you were a failed Rabbi, a knee-jerk defending disciple of Richard Dawkins only added to the emerging picture that reinforced my view that you are resistant to taking control of your life, and for our species taking direction of our collective selves.
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You've made a couple of real clangers tonight Rabbi.
I'll tell you how complex culture is Rabbi. Since 1859 and Darwin's 'Origin' there have been 10+ schools of thought trying to generate an accepted theory of culture and evolutionary theory has failed in that challenge. Far clever people than you haven't got it but they don't make the near-infantile points and questions you are ask.
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Even asking on the terms you do says more than enough about how you haven't thought through these questions Rabbi. Debunker? Please, that is a real joke.
Nice try in moving the conversation away from your calamatious double-whammy there Rabbi. FYI I said the Bible was like all pamphlets and magazines in that it has to be read. It is a book inspired by the divine, I didn't say that about other pamphlets and magazines. Mischief-making is all you've got, that & little girlie squeals of "smearing" when the shortcomings of your pseudo-science guru Richard Dawkins are pointed out
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Evolution is not a fact. Religion is the absolute truth. Bless
There you go again, arguing with yourself. Creating questions from warping what I've said and then answering. You might think that is debunking, and maybe that's why you put up that quite ridiculous statement "debunker of theist bullshit" on your channel page. Precious. Really precious.
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I'll say this for you, you've got some front. Caught out on a real double-whammy like that and within a few comments you want to run "claiming victory". Talk about delusional.
You have wasted so much of my time this evening, it's not even true, but I find closed minds like youself of real experimental value. You're a working example that culture and meaning are behavioural software (not pseudoscientific memes) and your anti-theist program is in need of a substantial upgrade
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You've not said a single thing to undermine the points I made about human exceptionalism and you have to blend in points you assert to me to keep your drivel going. Debunker my ass Rabbi
I'll leave you with this point. It's impossible that different cultures could express God in the same way. To be in 2011 and be aware that there are multiple expressions of God around us and in history is what you'd expect from a position of cultural relativity.
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If we read history as it happened it's a given we'll have multiple expressions of God. Culture is a mystery to you (and others) and your poor wee mind is reading history from the present, backwards and it's clearly a struggle.
You've an attraction to Richard, someone who shares the same struggle to understand culture's relativity. It's hypercomplex and to understand how rangey and porous meaning and culture are can be difficult. Or you can demand black and white simple answers and if you want that on culture, Richard is as good as anyone peddling that convenience
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However, that is not science Rabbi. That position is lazy, uncritical of thought and wallows in the replicative rather than understanding relative
I've told you I am a Christian and have no issue in seeing science as the material reverence of creation/the Universe. I have friends who are Muslim and for me although different (how could be the same through history?) they have a similar approach albeit different expressions of God.
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You don't understand, nor seem to want to understand culture's relativity. You feel comfort in your convenience rather than having something more conclusive. I can see the value there, but debunker? You?
You won't reflect on this, but it's telling what you have said over the last few nights as much as what you haven't said. You've got the benefit of Richard's 'The God Delusion' and yet you have not generated a lasting point to puncture belief in God other than saying it is a delusion, providing a dictionary definition for delusion and expressing your opinion that it is a delusion.
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Only a fool would be swayed by your brand of nothingness. Debunker of theist bullshit? You? As if Rabbi.
@naturalpreservation Back to multiple posts I see. Anyway, I've generated a very lasting point and with your help nonetheless. I've generated the fact that the bible is NOT the word of god and that it has no more or less importance than any other magazine or other work of mortal man.
If anything, the fact that so many people believe it to be the actual word of god and the one true path to everlasting life merely further proves my position that religious belief is delusional.
You have generated a lasting point and that is you think by repeating that God is a Delusion over and over, including a dictionary definition of what delusion is that in some way 'proves' God is a delusion. That might be a good enough standard for you tube, but in the real world of thought and science the standards are more demanding.
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Just like Dawkins on religion, it's all opinion and a failure to grasp culture's relativity. You have, and will continue to struggle Rabbi, just like RD
Complaining about multiple posts only cements the view you have a twitter mind. Has the self-proclaimed 'debunker of theist bullshit' tried to take his/her message to the medium of twitter?
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Inspired by God is the impression from the word of God, which is different from Godly expression. You acknowledge that your son has an impression of what you say and not a mirror of your expression and everytime I nail you down from your squirming it exposes your weak narrative still further Rabbi
You seem bitter at life and you're lashing out. You could do with taking some responsibility for your own life instead of whining on you tube about how your think life, and God owe you a living. A big difference between you and I is that I think 'The God Delusion' is a work of armchair theology from someone (Richard Dawkins) who has generally a bad track record on the social world of humankind. For you, it's something far more conclusive because it's an opinion you share. Your Bible?
The one thing I'll take away from you wahsupi (and there have been several howlers from you) is that you are the very thing you accuse of others. The very idea that your opinion and weak argument qualify you as the self-proclaimed 'debunker of theist bullshit' is truly humourous.
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Clearly you're not a serious person as your often sensational comment indicates. I'm charmed you think there is no entropic drop off in communication between God and humans, but there is. Deal with it. Or not
A simple question underlines this. I'm not asking you to squirm or offer up another child-like answer, the point is made if you ponder on this idea. String theory posits 11 dimensions and God would be aware of these 11 dimensions.
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If God came to you and started talking to you, or anyone about these 11 dimensions in their totality, would you understand everything as God explains them to you? Only a fool would say that your unfolding impression was the same as God's expression Rabbi.
The question I'm asking is not about God's expression but on the unfolding impression in the human mind. You can't get that through to your closed mind and as such are a working example of the mind as a filtering prism. You've already acknowledged that the impressions your son has of what you have said to him are different from your expressions.
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The communication gap between God and humans is greater than you and your son. You'll continue to struggle by not grasping this. Struggle on.
I feel like Dawkins has deluded himself into thinking that evolution is a fact. Evolution is a theory because it has not been proven and will never be proven unless someone creates a time machine and goes through all of time.
aznsupageek 1 week ago
@aznsupageek Can't the same thing be said about religion?
sophmore90 1 week ago
@sophmore90 Yes.
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LGTUK1973 2 weeks ago
LOL dawkins says "you're shouting" she says "sorry" bill O reilly would have yelled louder "THE MEANS IM RIGHT"
TarousDT 2 weeks ago
haha.. at the beginning I thought she sounded loud and bitchy.
Joshb81959 1 month ago
Why the fuck is she yelling. We can all hear her.
ChainsawVsGod 1 month ago 3
Amazing fuckin' tie
caesar10022 1 month ago
"The supreme would be so much more supreme, so much more grander, so much more intelligent than any religion could conceive".
He just described me.
AngeloNiklis 1 month ago
"you're shouting rather loudly in my ear" haha I love his honesty
rachellynn3395 1 month ago 6
Stop shouting in my ear, would you?
BelgianBicyclist 2 months ago
Debate Craig already
camthejock 2 months ago
@camthejock He already did in Mexico. I wish people would stop whipping this dead pony.
hungryman211 2 months ago
@hungryman211 that was NOT anywhere near a formal one-on-one debate.
camthejock 2 months ago
@camthejock You're right that it wasn't one-on-one, nor was it particularly formal. I think, however, that the idea that a formal debate is required in order for Craig to appear convincing simply shows that he is a professional debater. Dawkins is not. He has stated that he will no longer participate in these staged debates, where the point is not to come to a conclusion, but to win points, but he is willing to have an informal discussion. Craig is a good debater, but that's about all he's got.
hungryman211 1 month ago
God what a loud mouthed bitch.
clumpft 2 months ago 2
Do American news channels actually train their staff to shout?
nakedmambo 2 months ago
ugh do all american interviewers shout?
haz464 3 months ago
@haz464 she's not American, she's English.
P4PMike 2 months ago
this woman is quite probably the most annoying interviewer i have ever seen.
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SpencerBenedict2nd 4 months ago
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cheatdath 4 months ago
Damn what an irritating voice.
yohan20 4 months ago
That girl's hottttttt. i think i'm in lovvvvvvvvve
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Lyinginbedmon 4 months ago
HAHAHAH I was thinking this lady is annoying as hell.. and then she asks a question and Dawkins said it! "your shouting in my ear I can't understand you" lol
Johnf85 4 months ago
This lady hosts a TV show like my mum uses a phone.
papersplease 5 months ago 5
@papersplease hahaaaa my mum shouts through the phone too. I always have to keep it a fair distance away from my ear.
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"This lady hosts a TV show like my mum uses a phone."
That's not a nice thing say about your mother.
MomoTheBellyDancer 4 months ago
"What religion would God have founded?"...Right there Dawkins realizes that he is talking to a complete ignorant human being.
Hemsom1rojder 5 months ago 3
I wish he said Buddhism.
SecretAgent194 5 months ago
wow...well said mr dawkins. i completely agree with the idea that any supreme being would be far greater than any of the "puny" manmade religions that exist today
carlose0318 5 months ago
I do consider myself to be a devout atheist, but Dawkins repeatedly gives many of the rest of us a bad name by being a pompous ass. He calls himself a scientist but looks down on anyone who even poses as a skeptic to what he says.
rrearleii 5 months ago
@rrearleii Do you have an example of this?
martinpottsstarship 5 months ago
@martinpottsstarship watch any video that he is in. He directly talks down to anyone who has an opinion that differs from his own.
rrearleii 5 months ago
@rrearleii That isn't giving an example, obviously I've just watched at least one video (this one) and not seen it, hence why I asked for an example. He might point out how ridiculous some people's opinions are, but I have always seen him be patient and polite to a fault even in lengthy conversations with real lunatics like that guy who ran the creationist school in England. So there's my example.
martinpottsstarship 5 months ago
@rrearleii he tells them to look at the evidence.
iliveon 5 months ago
If there is a "supreme being" what do you thin are the odds that it's a man (not a woman or a dog or a whale or a panda or a bacterium, a man).
Even if creationism is true then how do we get from the universe being created to the creator being a man who had sex with a virgin?
Come on people. Let's just stick to science, ok?
Good
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
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How about you shut the fuck up and let him address the question, you cunt slut
hoopabergo 6 months ago
was it just me or did she have an attitude
amcc9001990 6 months ago
This is obviously not American cable news. Everyone got a moment to speak uninterrupted.
logsdonj 6 months ago 60
@logsdonj So true :[
smellycheeseman1 5 months ago
I wish Richard would start talking shit, then I wouldn't be so pissed with myself for taking so long to find someone who so eloquently articulates what I have held to be correct for over 30 years. If I were more flexible, I'd kick myself in the bum.
GuillemotWatcher 6 months ago
i wish she wouldn't shout so much
JOverton1992 6 months ago
the oresenter doesn't give a fuck about evolution :)
letsplay14me 6 months ago
how does dawkins always find himself being interviewed by moronic reporters
ThePenguinColonel 6 months ago
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hmm that sparks another question:
Are there really so many moronic reporters,
so that it is just very unlikely for Dawkins get an intelligent one ?
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richard dawkins is a sensless baboon
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If youre sick of religious privilege/nonsense in the UK, consider joining the National Secular Society and/or British Humanist Association (of which Mr Dawkins is vice president), who both do great work in reducing the impact of religion on public life.
Isn't it time you took some action?
trixapete 6 months ago
sense when did this guy determine who's sensible and who's not?
Moe1234ize 6 months ago
@Moe1234ize When did you?
hoopabergo 6 months ago
@hoopabergo That makes no sense. I haven't said anything that would suggest your statement makes sense.
Moe1234ize 5 months ago
@Moe1234ize he's just giving his opinion.
Lauxesa 1 month ago
How annoying an interviewer she is, bad questions and remarkably annoying loud way of asking them. She's just one step better then FOX News because at least she wasn't shouting over her guests answers to her questions.
What a cheap set up in asking how your book is doing then mumbling good sales pitch. What garbage reporting and obvious weasel tactics.
Kariakas 6 months ago
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PureAirSolutions 6 months ago
i like how they are called "believers", and not "knowers"... no one ever caught on to that huh?
xXDISASTERPIECE934Xx 6 months ago
shouting cunt
hippotoast 6 months ago
@MrFullofshirt Rolol, Dont believe in Atheists? um.......can you please clarify this statment because I dont think you know what being an Athiest means.
wowamonn 6 months ago
how did that woman get that job? she sucks
dll 7 months ago
At least he actually got to speak uninterrupted in this video.
flinagin 7 months ago 3
at 3.57 that body shape she gets into when she asks the questions, that's weird, what's more interesting is why do these asshole interviewers act so annoying. Well it clearly to provoke people. She knows she being a dumb ass, but the "how is the book doing" and he answers . But the response "oh nice bit of marketing" , thats the reason he's doing the interviewing !!. How did this annoying woman get on TV, but Bill O'Reilly is sill of course the biggest asshole on TV by a mile.
theapeman10 7 months ago
What a bitch ! She asked how his book was doing, then said 'Good marketing pitch" when he answered.
tonycatman 7 months ago
Owwww. Her voice hurts my ears.
Airmanf7 7 months ago 2
Stupid questions
CatFacedKillers 7 months ago 28
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R Dawkins - what an idiot! Not he only. Many others idiots, all of them are shouting: There is no God. What? Where are you from?
akwinata1 7 months ago
What a moron lol, "I don't believe in atheists" typical religus speaking.
I'm an atheist and I don't believe in atheists either, also I don't "believe" in evolution.
But I do accept they exist because I accept the evidence that they exist, I don't believe in evolution - I accept the FACTS that prove evolution.
NIXIMvideo 7 months ago 3
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This guy IS NOT smart.
Objectively, quantifiably, refuteable.
Oh yeah! That's exactly what I do in;
RICHARD DAWKINS: CAN'T answer THIS!!!
MINE, can't be refuted...
NOT FOR MILITANT ATHEISTS; IT'LL RUIN YOUR FANTASY!!!!!
WayneLynch69 8 months ago
@WayneLynch69 Hahahaha. That's one of the best things I've read all day. Good thing you're not serious that would make you look really ignorant. Troll 10/10 because you almost seem serious. So glad there are not really people in the world like you are pretending to be, that would be depressing.
pimpymcdougall 6 months ago
@MrFullofshirt
"I DON'T BELIEVE IN ATHEISTS"
What does that even mean, fool?
Mattyb88ful 8 months ago 4
I'm the 83838th viewer,I just thought it was a fun number
grimwatcher 8 months ago
the evidence is too much for you? Mrfullofshirt, try using the scientific method, it has nothing to do with personalities.
dwolfcoach 8 months ago
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I mean, if as a woman you have to act as a man in serious fields to prove yourself is because you lack something, "women studies" and feminists have turned the obvious incapacity and absence of women in many fields except the kitchen as the perverse result of the discrimination of men against women, That is mediocre.
JMFVECU 8 months ago
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JMFVECU 8 months ago
Why this woman looks, yells, and gesticulate like a man?.
JMFVECU 8 months ago
what a brilliant man long life to dawkins :) richard dawkins should be prime minister
darkglobe09 8 months ago
why do the British CNN reporters yell so much?
Ohloveeh 8 months ago
Good think she's speaking so loud, otherwise Professor Dawkins may not have been able to hear her.
3234718 8 months ago
Bloody Hell, I felt as if I was back in a 18th century, British country house.
How ridiculously formal CNN is.
Lukege15 8 months ago
That Richard finds absurd a question she finds interesting tells us a lot about the mental state of women and not just about her. this is a worldwide unspoken phenomenon, women tend to think that they can make men to think the way they want funny to say the least. pretty sad on the other hand
JMFVECU 8 months ago
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TheKenTerry 8 months ago
@TheKenTerry Yes on 1.58 she clearly labels the following question as "interesting", and Richard lets her know that in fact is just an absurd question which it does not deserves an answer, nevertheless he gives one, but she obviously did not like his remark and felt alluded and that is why on 2.13 she makes a gesture with her hand like saying well this a matter of opinion, women, particularly religious women, have a mental, moral and ethical problem, and Richard is brilliantly exposing them
JMFVECU 8 months ago
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TheKenTerry 8 months ago
@TheKenTerry You initially suggested she did not say she finds the question "interesting". Well she does. But even worse is that she thought it was going to be enough labelling the question as "interesting" to push Richard to give a serious answer to an idiotic question made by a religious person. That is sad!. And is a worldwide sickening phenomenon that is related to how women think they can influence men on their views. Well not this man obviously, but theirs yes, That is sickening
JMFVECU 8 months ago
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TheKenTerry 8 months ago
@TheKenTerry Well if she is asking a question someone else posted, then she has to stop labelling questions in favor of her personal opinion, because on point 2.59 of this same video when asking another question she clearly states to clean her hands "his words of course not us". Labelling me as sexist is not going to help you hide the fact that she manipulates, and that manipulation is a typical problem that women have. That is why women "love" children, because they can manipulate them. Sick
JMFVECU 8 months ago
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TheKenTerry 8 months ago
@TheKenTerry Richard is a link in the chain, but whether you like it or not, the future is not going to be of an atheist world where the family will become the "center" of society letting manipulation of children to survive, together with religion will fall all institutions born from it. The aim is to free children from people like you, dismantling religion is just a mean not an aim.
JMFVECU 8 months ago
@TheKenTerry Last but not least labelling me as a person scared of women reveals a serious mental state of delusion, you manipulate my disgust into fear just it makes you feel safe and OK with yourself. Your kind are obsessed with manipulation and will use fear in any form they can, fear to god, fear to women, fear everywhere, I do not fear people like you, they disgust me.
JMFVECU 8 months ago
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You are disgusted with women for no just reason. Fear to God? Hello, i'm an Atheist. I don't need to fearmonger like you, saying things like "oh she moved her hand so she is trying to manipulate Dawkins" How the hell is that even logical? You are the one saying women manipulate babies, where the hell is your proof? Again, i'm done...you're not an intellect, and I don't bother to speak with anything less than that. Message me if you want to keep it going, but i'm done on this page.
TheKenTerry 8 months ago
@TheKenTerry When someone says I am an atheists, but still thinks to have moral rights towards their children is because they do not understand what science is all about. Do not forget that Richard is primarily a scientist, a biologist, there is nothing in nature that points to the assumption that parents should have any moral rights towards their descendants, there is nothing in nature that can be compared to the silliness of the human family, even so some "atheist" think this way.
JMFVECU 8 months ago
@TheKenTerry I did not say that when the CNN reporter moved her hand she was trying to manipulate Richard, that would be an absurd statement. And those are your words not mine, I said that she moved her hand after Richard said (what an absurd question), and she did it in a gesture of, WELL, that is what you think, but not what I think I think the question is interesting then this is a matter of opinion. As if been absurd could be a matter of opinion.
JMFVECU 8 months ago
@TheKenTerry Asking me for any kind of proof about the manipulation of children is a completely idiotic request, you obviously like the power you can exercise on children like Christians do, and whether you are an atheist or not that is sickening, you have a problem. I do not send private messages to anyone, that have very little to do with the aims of youtube.
JMFVECU 8 months ago
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
elegantsolution 8 months ago 83
@elegantsolution - Euclid.
ignatei 7 months ago
@elegantsolution a good old Richard Dawkins quote
cablescavenger 5 months ago
She IS yelling. ;P
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sounds like some one is talking to the devil ! the devil has you and all of you atheist fooled . and i see he has blessed your mouth with dirty insults . you are the devils workers . how dare you go to war with God . it would better if you were never born ! what will you do oh man of the earth when the fire rains from the sky . and you see the face of the creator of heaven and earth . as you see the power of man trimble from the power . and might of the almighty God !
thinkalott33 9 months ago
and the evidence is there is real i written all over the world is undeniable the museums of natural history are full and are plenty of transitional fossils, dna evidence you name just see it is there 150 year and going how can you deny is not a theory is a fact we including me are transitional forms we are not above of natural order, evolution tell us from where we came from no where are we going nor what we can do
legolasgreenleaff 9 months ago
'His words not ours', so afraid of offending muslims its absurd
bazzymushpea123 9 months ago 85
@bazzymushpea123 You make fun and muslims and they kill you! LOL
jronzani 7 months ago
@jronzani, if that is the attitude of people in the West then we have already lost the fight against religious extremism. If we are all too 'afraid' to stand up and say anything then they will walk all over us and we won't do a thing about it. Appeasing them just as we appeased Hitler in the 1930s...
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kupekake 4 months ago
Dawkins on CNN? LOL wow big surprise...
dex1391 9 months ago
@thechessstick There are millions of ways of making fallacious generalizations and you are probably following half of them. Tell me, do you label people for the lack of something (assuming you are saying "evolutionists" are "atheists")? Do you know every fucking "evolutionist" to say they are this or that?
You are one of the dumbest users I've ever seen in YouTube, and that's very hard to say...
Edu2503 9 months ago
@wahsupi
Hey squirmy, are you gonna answer the Darwin question? i thought a self-proclaimed debunker of theist bullshit wouldn't be put on the rack this easy, you sure can squirm boy.
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I've said the Bible is a book inspired by God written thousands of years ago. It is a balance of prophesy, wisdom, education, history and poetry. As a book it cannot escape things that all books have in common, they are read by minds, not scanned by computer or ribosome. You're struggling on this point, like RD.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation I'm struggling on nothing. You've answered the question for me. The bible is not divine in origin and is no different than any other written work by man. As such I place no more value or reverance on it then I do the Sunday Times.
You will never agree to it but you just proved me right. The bible is nothing special.
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
You don't read, or you simply can't. I'll put it down to your blinkered mind's eye, which means that you are not disillusioned with the Bible, but your shallow reading and misinterpretation if the Bible. I've said that the Bible is inspired by God but read by humans, and no other species.
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You can't get it into your thick skull that humans read the Bible as humans, not Gods. Like I've said, we are more 'of' God than animals, but we're well short of being Gods, and you even more so.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
I'b be surprised if you've read two of Richard's books cover to cover and yet you gush with praise and knee-jerk to his defence with unconvincing claims of 'smearing' on points it's all to clear you don't have an inkling what you are arguing against. That truly is the stuff of blind devotion.
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You've said God is a delusion, provided a dictionary definition and consistently showcased the very poor reasoning ability resulting in you being a failed Rabbi. I can't see you debunking squat.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation Can you answer the fucking question! What is it that sets the bible above all other works of man?
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
The Bible is the book that is inspired by God and remains the most read book of all time. It outlines the story of creation and is a spiritual, historical book of wisdom and prophecy and poetry that has enlightened human minds for centuries. I've called it the living book and it has proven capable of doing something that other books struggle with, and that is standing the test of time.
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I know it is beyond you, but even reading my words has proven beyond you, as you've squirmed wriggly
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation Other than your appeal to the majority (in itself a logical fallacy) nothing you said here cannot also be said of the koran. The koran is likes a story of creation and is a spiritual and historical book that has enlightened minds for centuries.
As for standing the test of time, the torah has at least 2,000 years on the bible so nothing you have said here shows the bible to be any more valid than any other religious text.
Thanks.
Bai!
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
Is that another goodbye? You're predictable, I'll give you that. If you think that 'questioning' is 'debunking theist bullshit' think again. I say that to someone who has seeming issues in even thinking, never mind again. I think you'll find the Christian Bible (as in Old Testament and New Testament) is the most read book of all time, and as such has a position in time unlike no other.
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The Torah is older, but there have been more Christians in history than any other faith system.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation Again with your appeal to majority which is a logical fallacy. If your basis for choice is the popularity of the religion then you should convert to Islam as there are currently over one billion followers of that faith, far more than those who describe themselves as christian.
Yet another of your bullshit arguments debunked.
You're the classical dolt who wants to have their cake and eat it too.
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
Richard Dawkins has written a number of books expanding on the gene-centrist school of evolution. Such a position has resulted in primatologist Frans De Waal calling this 'veneer theory'. Dawkins (as is the case) could be totally overstating 'genes as bookkeepers' as the causative force in evolution, and wouldn't undermines the general theory of evolution.
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That is the case in science which is supposedly more methodical than religion, yet your closed mind denies religion this. Stunning
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation Show me where science is the pursuit of truth. Religion is professed to be the absolute truth. Of course I'm going to hold claims of that magnitude to a different, more rigorous set of standards.
You are so transparent.
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
Religion is not science, although in Thessalonians it is there nice and clear, readers of the Bible are urged to test scripture and hold on to what is good. You have stated something deeply ridiculous that evolution is not advanced as a fact when for institutional, academic, literary and research biology evolution as a process is a fact. Within/across this fact there are a range of schools of thought (and this is methodical science remember) often conflicting.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
So you are saying that it is alright to have conficting views and approaches in science, which deals in a level of measurement beyond religion, and yet you cite that same difference of view as evidence against religion. You are a fool. You should be pitied.
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With that kind of logic, it is the young earthers that would have you in knots. You're a real product. Also, I've lost count of the times Richard has said "I care passionately about the truth" in recent years
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What have you read?
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
Where does it say in the Bible that the Bible is "the absolute truth". Where does it say that? It is not a science, or an engineering book, so how it can be 'the absolute truth'? You are making that up, that is your opinion. It is a spiritual book and that being the case can only deal in spiritual truths about humans and to a much lesser extend, God.
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You are making ridiculous statement after ridiculous statement now. You're either tired, or being sensational trying to be heard again.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
I'm not appealing to the majority, you are getting your points mixed up, although I think you are cherry-picking in order to feel a false (although real for your mind) sense of progress here. Youi said that the Torah had stood the test of time like no other, and I pointed out that the Christian bible had been read by more people, that was all. Usual you, mischief making (which is not the same as debunking) by blending in another point to create some apparent confusion.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
You are seemingly oblivious to patterns in the way that knowledge is constructed and reconstructed beyond faith, in every department of knowledge, including science. We can see a 'survival of the fittest' approach to evolution emerging from mid-Victorian England that was influenced by the zeitgeist of that time. If we go to Russia and a different cultural environment we can see in Kropotkin's 'Mutual Aid' another perspective on evolution. They are not wrong, but different perspectives.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
You are not capable of debunking squat. The only thing I can see you debunking would be against died-in-the-wool young earth creationists. Oh how proud you must be of being able to do that. Time and time again you have been a glaring example of someone who likes 'popular science' more popular than scientific, and it shows in the level of reasoning you are capable of, or rather incapable of.
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You're much better at using profane language and talking about the size of your shits though.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
There are a number of schools of thought within/through the fields of evolutionary biology and some are challenges to others. Does that mean that evolution is wrong? I mean this as a real question, so don't squirm away, or reply in some waffly way about context.
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Do the competing, and at times challenging to each other, schools of thought within/through evolution undermine the idea of evolution?
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Answer the question. No squirming or excuse-making with 'context' wahsupi.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation No, the differing ideas of evolution do not undermine for the plain and simple fact that no scientist has ever stated that evolution is the absolute fact. One cannot make this claim about religion. Everyone claims that their religion is the one and only true religion but you see it instead through the lens of cultural preference. If your stance is that the selection of religious beliefs is based on personal and cultural choices then atheism is just as relevant a choice.
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
You are spectacularly wrong. Dawkins' most recent book 'Evolution - The Greatest Show on Earth' was all about proving the fact of evolution. You'll have to try pretty hard to be be even more wrong than what you have just said. The biological and botanical sciences are settled that evolution is a fact, an absolute fact that multiple layers of reinforcing evidence from different fields endorses.
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It's past midnight now and following that last desperate statement I can say you're pathetic
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
This is precious and worth recapping on:
1. You said that the Bible is "the absolute truth", and that is total garbage. It deals in spiritual wisdom, teachings towards truth, but you said "the absolute truth". No wonder you struggle with the Bible(s).
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2. You said this after stating that evolution was not claimed to be the truth, when for the field of evolutionary biology evolution (at every level of biology, and there are several) evolution is a fact.
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You're a joke. Debunker my ass.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation I only wish I had the space to recap all your twisted logic and bullshit arguments. From appeals to the majority to claiming that the bible is no different than any other mortal work but still deserving of reverance it's all astounding. You refuse to answer why your religious beliefs are any more valid than those of a muslim or a jew. You're pathetic. You're delusional. You're just what I have come to expect from a member of the flock.
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
You can't come back from that no-mark. Evolution is not a fact, when it is. That is precious. Also, you said the bible is "the absolute truth" when that is complete garbage. More garbage from you.
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You can't even see with your closed mind that you have been totally busted and undermined by yourself there. No wonder the Bible falls short of your self-framed standard of "the absolute truth", there's a lot of knowledge out there.
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Precious. Bless.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation Ok, so the church has it all wrong and jesus is not the only way to eternal life. The bible is just as valid as is the Torah and the Koran or atheism for that matter.
Is that the position you're holding to or are you going to lie some more and try to twist it around again?
captwasabi 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation oh, and by the way. You need to learn some reading comprehension. There is a vast difference between an fact and an "absolute fact" you miserable lying douche.
Learn to debate honestly or not at all.
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
Debating, with you? You flatter yourself. You're a joke that holds the bible to a standard your fictioned in your own mind, and lower science's scope all to fit in with your weak narrative. What a joke.
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And to think you are a self-styled 'debunker of theist bullshit' only makes me laugh and chuckle more. I think a young earther could take you on a bad day. Still at least you've got those big shits of yours, you seem to be okay at reading their length.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation I've debunked all your claims. I know this because every single fucking time I ask you the central question you dart away and go back to this condescending bullshit.
I'll ask you again.
Is the bible as valid as the torah or the koran?
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
I am going to ponder on the level of ignorance you have displayed there for a while longer. I know you want to move it on Rabbi, but your statements there were so ridiculous in their magnitude I'd like to ponder on them for a few chuckling moments longer.
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Debunker my ass. You're a joke if you think the stuff you have is in the least bit convincing. No wonder you revere Dawkins so. However, there is a difference between talking the talk and walking the walk. You wouldn't know no-mark.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation Still not willing to answer the uestion because you realize you have backed yourself into a corner. I know.
anyway, answer the fucking question. Is the bible as relevant as the torah or the koran. A simple yes or no will suffice.
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
Yeah, yeah. You're the little boy that cried wolf. I get it, you're leaving, you're victorious leaving never to return.....then you return. Make your closed mind up.
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You deal in black and white, in absolutes and with that mindset cultural relativity (and social reality I hasten to add) will remain a mystery to you. You want things to be simpler than they are and if Richard is selling a gene-centrist, meme-centrist "follow me and I'll make it simple" narrative, then follow him Rabbi.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation I don't deal in black and white. I'm just trying to get you to answer a fucking question you miserable prick. All you have is condescension, bullshit arguements and demanding that your religion is both vital and equal. you'r a fucking joke.
I ask again.
Is the bible no more relevant than the torah or the koran. A simple answer is all that is needed here.
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
You are correct, in fact you don't have condescension from me, it's more like total contempt. I've stated before that agnosticism and atheism are understandable positions. However, you are a self-proclaimed 'debunker of theist bullshit' whose signature argument concludes that God is a rapist. Your sensationalism has deepened tonight by saying that biologist don't see evolution as a fact and the Bible is "the absolute truth".
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You're too black and white to be a Rabbi, or priest, or imam
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation Again, you're a lying cockbag but I've come to expect this from you. I never made the claim that the bible is the absolute truth. I merely restated the claim of so many catholics that the bible is the one and true word of god. I can see why comprehension is so difficult for you.
you've also treid to put forth the laughable argument that science has proven god existence which was easily and utterly destroyed. That's when you tried to equate the bible to a magazine.
Pathetic
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
I didn't say that science proved God, more garbage from you. I said that the layered process of Genesis over seven ages was underlined more by science than it was undermined. That's okay, I know that when you grossly warp my words that you are struggling even more than you have done.
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How could religion be enough for you when you are framing it in terms of "the absolute truth" as you humourously stated. And that was just after saying that science doesn't deal in facts and truth. Bless.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
Look at your going into reverse gear now, "I never made the claim that the bible is the absolute truth" when that was what you said. Even YOU don't believe YOU. Debunking has to mean something different across the Atlantic, it has to, because you suck major league at it Rabbi.
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You're a product and you are exactly the thing you accuse of in others. Closed minded, and uncritical of thought. You are blindly devoted to Dawkins, knee-jerking in defence when you're short on knowledge. Bless
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
I have good friends I holiday with who are Muslims and the Koran is a source of wisdom for them in the same way I get wisdom from the Bible. The Bible is not my sole source of wisdom, and I have already stated I prefer to read the social, natural and physical sciences rather than reading the Bible, Koran and Torah.
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Seriously, all things aside, culture's relativity is just too big for you. Look at the way you frame your questions, you think this is like a kid's crossword Rabbi.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation Be still my heart. You actually answered a question. Well, now that we have established that ALL religious texts are equal that means that no one religion is the single path to god. From that we can make three deductions. 1-all religion is man made. 2-God is all powerful and could stop the confusion but chooses not too. 3-God is not all powerful and hence cannot act on his behalf.
Either way there is no valid argument as to why I should worship your god.
Game. Set. Match.
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
You've already exhibited failed logic time and time again. I take what you say with a pinch of salt, self-styled debunker man-child. I've answered all your questions, you are confusing me you your own squirming or "Can I take the context excuse on that one?" non-answer.
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Content, content, content on the Bible from 1,000s of years ago and one question on Darwin and it was all "I'm not commenting until I know the context" - more joke book stuff from you. Entertaining stuff indeed Rabbi.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation Whatever you need to feel like you won but in the end you admitted the the bible is no more valid than the torah or the koran. That opens up a vast number of possibilities about whether or not religion itself is even valid as all religions claim to be the true path to god.
Thanks for debunking yourself.
Now go lick your wounds.
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
I don't need to feel like I have won against the likes of you. I knew from the outset you were a sensationalist little person who thinks that life owes him a living. That you were a failed Rabbi, a knee-jerk defending disciple of Richard Dawkins only added to the emerging picture that reinforced my view that you are resistant to taking control of your life, and for our species taking direction of our collective selves.
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You've made a couple of real clangers tonight Rabbi.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
I'll tell you how complex culture is Rabbi. Since 1859 and Darwin's 'Origin' there have been 10+ schools of thought trying to generate an accepted theory of culture and evolutionary theory has failed in that challenge. Far clever people than you haven't got it but they don't make the near-infantile points and questions you are ask.
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Even asking on the terms you do says more than enough about how you haven't thought through these questions Rabbi. Debunker? Please, that is a real joke.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation It's over. You just said that the koran is equal to the bible. That means there is no one path or that there is not even a god.
you have no proof of the existence of god.
Game over. You lose.
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
Nice try in moving the conversation away from your calamatious double-whammy there Rabbi. FYI I said the Bible was like all pamphlets and magazines in that it has to be read. It is a book inspired by the divine, I didn't say that about other pamphlets and magazines. Mischief-making is all you've got, that & little girlie squeals of "smearing" when the shortcomings of your pseudo-science guru Richard Dawkins are pointed out
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Evolution is not a fact. Religion is the absolute truth. Bless
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation That's not the question that I asked you you miserable prick. Is the bible as valid as the torah or the koran?
Answer the fucking question or I'm ignoring you and claiming victory.
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
There you go again, arguing with yourself. Creating questions from warping what I've said and then answering. You might think that is debunking, and maybe that's why you put up that quite ridiculous statement "debunker of theist bullshit" on your channel page. Precious. Really precious.
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I'll say this for you, you've got some front. Caught out on a real double-whammy like that and within a few comments you want to run "claiming victory". Talk about delusional.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
You have wasted so much of my time this evening, it's not even true, but I find closed minds like youself of real experimental value. You're a working example that culture and meaning are behavioural software (not pseudoscientific memes) and your anti-theist program is in need of a substantial upgrade
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You've not said a single thing to undermine the points I made about human exceptionalism and you have to blend in points you assert to me to keep your drivel going. Debunker my ass Rabbi
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
I'll leave you with this point. It's impossible that different cultures could express God in the same way. To be in 2011 and be aware that there are multiple expressions of God around us and in history is what you'd expect from a position of cultural relativity.
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If we read history as it happened it's a given we'll have multiple expressions of God. Culture is a mystery to you (and others) and your poor wee mind is reading history from the present, backwards and it's clearly a struggle.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
You've an attraction to Richard, someone who shares the same struggle to understand culture's relativity. It's hypercomplex and to understand how rangey and porous meaning and culture are can be difficult. Or you can demand black and white simple answers and if you want that on culture, Richard is as good as anyone peddling that convenience
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However, that is not science Rabbi. That position is lazy, uncritical of thought and wallows in the replicative rather than understanding relative
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
I've told you I am a Christian and have no issue in seeing science as the material reverence of creation/the Universe. I have friends who are Muslim and for me although different (how could be the same through history?) they have a similar approach albeit different expressions of God.
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You don't understand, nor seem to want to understand culture's relativity. You feel comfort in your convenience rather than having something more conclusive. I can see the value there, but debunker? You?
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@washupi
You won't reflect on this, but it's telling what you have said over the last few nights as much as what you haven't said. You've got the benefit of Richard's 'The God Delusion' and yet you have not generated a lasting point to puncture belief in God other than saying it is a delusion, providing a dictionary definition for delusion and expressing your opinion that it is a delusion.
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Only a fool would be swayed by your brand of nothingness. Debunker of theist bullshit? You? As if Rabbi.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation Back to multiple posts I see. Anyway, I've generated a very lasting point and with your help nonetheless. I've generated the fact that the bible is NOT the word of god and that it has no more or less importance than any other magazine or other work of mortal man.
If anything, the fact that so many people believe it to be the actual word of god and the one true path to everlasting life merely further proves my position that religious belief is delusional.
Thanks again!
captwasabi 9 months ago
@wahsupi
You have generated a lasting point and that is you think by repeating that God is a Delusion over and over, including a dictionary definition of what delusion is that in some way 'proves' God is a delusion. That might be a good enough standard for you tube, but in the real world of thought and science the standards are more demanding.
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Just like Dawkins on religion, it's all opinion and a failure to grasp culture's relativity. You have, and will continue to struggle Rabbi, just like RD
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
Complaining about multiple posts only cements the view you have a twitter mind. Has the self-proclaimed 'debunker of theist bullshit' tried to take his/her message to the medium of twitter?
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Inspired by God is the impression from the word of God, which is different from Godly expression. You acknowledge that your son has an impression of what you say and not a mirror of your expression and everytime I nail you down from your squirming it exposes your weak narrative still further Rabbi
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
You seem bitter at life and you're lashing out. You could do with taking some responsibility for your own life instead of whining on you tube about how your think life, and God owe you a living. A big difference between you and I is that I think 'The God Delusion' is a work of armchair theology from someone (Richard Dawkins) who has generally a bad track record on the social world of humankind. For you, it's something far more conclusive because it's an opinion you share. Your Bible?
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
The one thing I'll take away from you wahsupi (and there have been several howlers from you) is that you are the very thing you accuse of others. The very idea that your opinion and weak argument qualify you as the self-proclaimed 'debunker of theist bullshit' is truly humourous.
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Clearly you're not a serious person as your often sensational comment indicates. I'm charmed you think there is no entropic drop off in communication between God and humans, but there is. Deal with it. Or not
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
A simple question underlines this. I'm not asking you to squirm or offer up another child-like answer, the point is made if you ponder on this idea. String theory posits 11 dimensions and God would be aware of these 11 dimensions.
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If God came to you and started talking to you, or anyone about these 11 dimensions in their totality, would you understand everything as God explains them to you? Only a fool would say that your unfolding impression was the same as God's expression Rabbi.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@wahsupi
The question I'm asking is not about God's expression but on the unfolding impression in the human mind. You can't get that through to your closed mind and as such are a working example of the mind as a filtering prism. You've already acknowledged that the impressions your son has of what you have said to him are different from your expressions.
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The communication gap between God and humans is greater than you and your son. You'll continue to struggle by not grasping this. Struggle on.
naturalpreservation 9 months ago
@naturalpreservation Look who's back writing stupid, unsubstantiated bullshit.
naturalpreservation is a moron. Not worth anyone's time.
MultiUniv3rsal 9 months ago