if you are a true fan to a player.... you shouldn't care what team he's on...... even if he went to the lakers i'd still like him, i like kobe.... but i'm not a fan of the lakers.... know what i mean?
@18brandon92 imagine kobe teaming up with pau, one of the premier pfs in the league. Imagine him teaming up with ron artest, who at the time was a hall of famer. That would be a bitch move....oh wait. + look at the big three in boston, kg and ray allen left to join pp.
every one missing the ponit labron left the cavs on live tv thats like your girl dump you on live tv then he has a cocky way shitty way to do and say things like wen he got dunked on by the kid he tryed to hide video wen he lost in the plays offs wat he say you go live your shitty lives and ill be rich he just has no class and he ll win a ring and that wen he ll talk the real shit
@theerwinrommel1891 "no class"?? u serious?... i dont agree with THE DESICION broadcast but the media hyped his desicion up, and the profits of that hr long program went to charity. So he just gave media what they wanted, PERIOD.... also Kobe cried 2 seasons back 2 back ASKING for a trade bcuz they were losing, and ur mad cuz Lebron left?... Would you rather your girl GIVE HER ALL AND TRY to make it work, realize its not then leave (Lebron), or complain and only stay when things are good?(kobe)
@phorgroathtv you had a point until that last part . LeBron planned this two years before it happened. So would rather have a girl nag or a girl that was planning to leave off with someone else while you thought she was being faithful to you ?
@18brandon92 how do you know it was planned 2 years prior?... and even if it is the case, why dont people sweat Kobe still? he complained and asked for a trade when things were bad. How loyal is that? .... All im saying if people are going to "Hate" a person on loyalty or whatever, then be consistent across the board. Now if ppl dont like Lebron for personal reasons then just admit it, dont use excuses.
@phorgroathtv I personally dont care that he left Cleveland. & Kobe just wanted a supporting cast; He had fuckin Kwame Brown, Mark Madsen, Smush Parker, and Luke Walton? He considered teams like the Clippers, who had decent players; he didnt go team up with superstar competition. Wtf was that? Image Mike teaming with Larry or Magic? That's some pussy shit right there. If LBJ won a title w/ Amare and Felton, the NBA community would be sucking his dick. But he's hated now bc he made a bitch move.
i remember a young Kobe Bryant being drafted by Charlotte then him calling his agent saying "get me outta here" luckily Jerry west and Jerry buss gave the kid a chance. after he "took his talents to long beach" he got the greatest gift a player can get a 7' 320lbs shaq diesel. the rest is history. im just saying its the same thing with lebron. a state put their hopes and dreams on a 17yr old kid. who at that age knows about themselves thats why people go to college @ that age to experiment life
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER technically he (lebron) was traded to miami. and no they (Kobe & gasol) did not meet up. but the Lakers organization knows how to build around the marquee player. and the cavs didnt simple. why waste time at a dead end job when you can be more productive and the big bonus every year (championship) at another organization.
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER He needed bynum too just kobe and gasol wasn't enough to win the championship they had to wait until bynum came back to finally win another one
@ALEXthaGREAT26 LOL Bynum averaged 6 points and 3.7 rebounds in the 2009 playoffs... All of a sudden he was the difference maker?? That is actually really funny that you went there... haha never heard that one before! get outa here...
@ALEXthaGREAT26 umm well... They did make it all the way to the finals without him... haha Im not saying he isnt important at all. I am just saying if you think his 6 points 3 rebounds per game in 2009 playoffs and finals are the difference you are crazy... Come on... Thats so ridiculous its not even funny
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER kobe and lebron are similar. kobe will never have won any ring without shaq or gasol and so as to lebron w/o wade or bosh (if it will happen)... kobe's case is more on the management decision's while lebron's are base on his personal decison... similarity starts and ends with the goal of having a champion team/ring the easy way...
@wornoutshoes11 How about Shaq? Is he the same as Kobe and Lebron? Would he have won without Kobe or Wade? He couldnt get it done in Orlando with a really good team. Couldnt get it done in LA before Kobe was starting and putting up good numbers... After Miami he was basically useless... I guess you could make your argument for ANY player of all time. Its kind of a useless argument... Jordan-pippen, Bird-McCahle, Magic-Kareem, Russel-8hall of famers....(pick one)...
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER Who cares how it came about? The owners weren't in a position to give them what they needed to COMPETE with the other teams who ALREADY HAVE multiple superstars.
@bigtabs I think the fact that cleveland had the best record in the league two years in a row says that they could "Compete" with the other teams... lol Not to mention Cleveland Handled the lakers, Nuggets, and Spurs in the regular season. They just got beat in the playoffs. Dont sit there and say they couldnt compete though. Thats ridiculous.
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER this is the first time in Lebrons life where he had to look in the mirror that it was his fault his team lost.Even tho he shouldve did that early in his career in Cleveland.I believe he lacks leadership qualities.Jordan made each and every one of his teammates better year after year.His 07 Finals performance was jus as bad as this years.I don't believe he's spent time working on his game.He's busy building his brand,instead of trying to become a better b-ball player
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER Yeah LBJs best decision wouldve been to stay in Cleveland.Because even if he wins 3 or 4 in Miami.I wont give him any credit at all.thats jus me unless he puts up Jordan numbers and actually hits huge shots in the Finals.But 2 ring in Cleve he would be a REAL KING definetly Top 5.Jordan lost to Detroit 3 straight times in the playoffs,before Pippen,Grant and those guys developed.thats emotionally draining to lose to the same team in the playoffs.He couldve left but he didn't
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER A player some as a star like Shaq can say "I don't want to be traded to that team." Like Eli didnt wanted to be drafted to the Chargers, so they traded him to the Giants.
Or maybe Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade need Lebron to do it. They lost to the Mavs, and it's Lebron's fault. If they win, will it be on Lebron? Wade got his when he played with multiple Hall of famers.
@smoothhoopinal it wasnt all lebrons fault, wade wasnt at his best, bosh was ok at best, i think they just need to learn how to play together efficiently, you saw that against boston and chicago, i guess after that they thought they were gonna win it all, but choked, but they went really far considering it was their first year, just like how the knicks could be a threat once melo and chauncey fully adjust to the new team
@smoothhoopinal Wade had H.O.F's past their prime though. LBJ should've been in NY, because he wouldve had a legitimate shot at a title while being the undisputed alpha.
@smoothhoopinal multiple hall of famers? he played with Shaq and Mourning who were both close to 40 years old and on their last tank of gas. yeah he got tons of calls that went his way but he carried the team on his back nonetheless
@DrmrGuy1979 Championships don't mean everything for an individual player. Brain scalabrine won a championship... what has he ever done in his 10 years score 1562 points and thats it. Steve Nash hasn't won a championship but he's one the greatest. lebron james has done more than brian scalabrine in one season than he did in his whole career.
Lebron James doesn't seem to understand that other teams are going to improve and so are other players. This may of been the easiest shot at winning the championship. I think the rest of his attempts will be harder because of new up and coming talent.
You guys are fucking idiots for the last four years decides last season the mavs lost in the first or second round! Dirk got his first ring when he was 34 so lebrons got SEVEN years to win rings he's the best in the league and whoever says he's not clutch doesn't watch or know basketball! Did you watch that Miami Chicago series
@smoothhoopinal it'll only matter if he gets his rings because he played well, not in spite of him playing bad. if he plays like the best player in the world and carries his team, i'll be the first one to give him credit. but if he continues to fold when the pressure is at it's highest, i'll be the first one to criticize him for it
@smoothhoopinal exactly you sir are a smart man and these same people never questioned Dirk. Lets be real between me and you LeBron is having some personal issues that have been hinted at through multiple sources as it relates to his longtime girlfriend and family and it showed against the Mavs when after the first two games his whole everything changed. But I hope everything with his family works out for the best. Got to put the rest in another reply lol
@BTAKVE People are mad because he is a threat to be one of the all time greats above kobe, and truth be told I remember the same way people hated Michael Jordan for having a shot at being better than the great white hope Larry Bird and Magic but all the haters mysteriously became fans after they saw it was inevitable. History repeat?
27, Dirk is 34 or something? Kidd @ 38? They got a ring. Lebron has several chances left, assuming they start playing again in the NBA soon. He got too close for haters comfort this year.
@smoothhoopinal but everyone still gon' hate him lol if he wins a ring then people will go from "yuhh have no ring" to "you were dick riding with wade to get that ring"
@smoothhoopinal thats true what youre saying, BUT. Lebron is not to be compared with Dirk and Kidd. They are great players, but Lebron is a lot better player. It is Lebron who is compared ( by few people) to Jordan.It is Lebron who chose to wear number 23, to do the chalk toss. He had everything whats needed to lead a team to the title. And still he failed to win a ring. Thats why he gets so much criticism.
@smoothhoopinal you cant compare Kidd, and Novitsky to James, they rely on skill and finesse, something taht improves with the years ( hence Kobe), when James relies on pure athletic strength wich will fade with time
YES but dirk didnt move his talent to the SAN ANTONIO SPURS in 03 or to the PHOENIX SUNS in 05...THats the point LJAMES can win 6 or 7 rings but he will never going to be the reason why they will win, both he and DWADE CANT SHOOT THE BALL...
@smoothhoopinal im sorry.... does dirk have 2 back to back mvps? no. did dirk decide to move from the mavs cuz he was mad they didn't win? no. is dirk the one who decided to put himself on a team w/ two players, whose calibre exceed that of Jordan's teammates? (wade is pretty close to pipen, bosh is better than rodman) no. did dirk proclaim that he was gonna win not 7, but more rings? no. did dirk choke in the finals? no. dirk won his ring after years of hard work, and now he gets the payoff.
@Mr2cb3 dirk did choke in the finals in 06 and before the 2011 finals he choked in every postseason game he ever played in so your wrong dirk is a amazing player but he has his flaws the thing i hate the most about dirk is that he will always layup the ball instead of dunking the ball he 7'0' feet tall dunk the fucking ball
@computerlodddh dirk is a pretty solid postseason player, he has averaged 25.5 points a game in the playoffs since the beginning of his career, which i wouldn't say is a choke. and lol of course he doesn't dunk, hes european, none of them really dunk the ball lol
@MrHaikuist ..Lebron is not clutch? There is no one in the NBA that is clutch all the time of course..What I personally mean by being clutch is when all else fails you do whatever it takes to bring your team back when it counts the most. That Boston and Chicago series they dominated! The series speak for itself! Every time they needed Lebron to step up he choked! Gave up! Clutch doesn't necessarily mean you have to win every game, but to me how hard you go all 4 quarters! not just 3...
majority of star players threaten to leave when they are losing. jordan said the same thing. i forgot waht year but they lost and he was backstage talking about how he should of never came back because his team wasnt playing well
I can't believe Haywood pulled that bitch move ! Just being a bitch because he knows King James is gonna win a championship before him, while he actually won't ever win one. *wink*
"LeBron, better than kobe ??!!" Huh... Like I always said, he doesnt even compare the "Great One" or the "Greater One"! No comparison at all. No, he was never a "King", he was never as good as Kobe or Jordan.. No, he was never a clutch performer.. Kobe is KING, has been since the Lakers got rid of Shaq! History is made today.. Kobe Bryant will now own the NBA until he retires, you watch!
i agree 100% with travaugnrolle. The reason people make these dumb ass comments about their mothers have more rings than Lebron is because hes being compared to MJ. And for good reason! Bron is a beast and loves the game as MJ does. Many great players dont have rings including Lebron, Dirk, and Jason Kidd. But no one ever says SHIT about Dirk Nowitzky having no rings.
Dont kid yourselves people. Get your head out of MJ's ass for once and pay attention to the new era of Basketball
Now everybody would cheer if Lebron was fouled like this. People hate Lebron now because he's a threat to their favorite team now that he has a solid team around him.
EXACTLY! Lebron was not a threat when they could throw teams with multiple stars at him when he was alone. Now, he's got help, and Haters are pouting.
@smoothhoopinal i go for the lakers and i dont hate lebron i just think the way he left his home town was kind of childish but i do hope he gets at least one ring but to me he is no longer the KING he left his castle to go 2 wades 2 make an analogy of his nickname.
@universaljuly are rings all that matters? if that's the case then the best player is Bill Russel hands down, and even Robert Horry will be in the talks...
@xxSUMBLKGUYxx People dislike Lebron because he comes off as arrogant, "Not 5, not 6, not 7..." -- Quoted Lebron James: Lebron's a great player, but he, Dwayne Wade, and the Heat in general, for some reason believed they would win 7 championships, had the best trio ever, etc before they set foot on the court. They should of put there foot in their mouth and played, but they had to make these outrageously douchey comments, which generated all of this hate.
@xxSUMBLKGUYxx ...so whats the excuse now!....can you please answer that for me! How do you go from having the best record 2 years in a row at Cleveland and choke come crunch time..How do you make it to the championship again! and choke like you did again with two other all stars!...I really would like to know from your perspective..
The Excuse is DALLAS IS GOOD! This is the team that swept the Lakers! 1st year together, and they made the finals. Embarrassed Chicago, and Boston on the way. I'd say they're pretty good. 4 more years to try. It isn't over at all.
@smoothhoopinal...Just because Dallas swept the Lakers doesn't mean they were to take the Championship! Chicago did it against the Miami Heat and didn't win crap! Miami had the series and the force necessary to beat the Mavs..They couldn't capitalize on it! They're nowhere near where they need to be to be a contender..Not after this years performance! Lebron James is not clutch and isn't a threat anymore like he was at Cleveland! 8 points in a championship game! Kobe&Shaq 3! Lebron, Wade,Bosh-0.
@UNANAHREBUBLIK52 I'll tell you.....it happens. I think we're forgetting that the first time he's experienced adversity was during his time in the NBA. He was star B-ball player since he was 14. I'm not and LBJ fan or a wade fan I'm a pippen fan and he's retired.
Jordan constantly had to fight for his position on the b-ball court before the NBA. you need that experience. but you guys can't objectively say that the heat wont win a title. NY poses the best threat besides Boston.
@UNANAHREBUBLIK52 Having the best record doesn't mean jack idiot. Well maybe to you because most kids think that best record = best team. So if that is true then why is the Bulls and Sprus not in the finals? The fact that matter is simple: regular season does not matter.
@xingli123...If the regular season didn't matter, every team in the NBA would be in the playoffs idiot..! I didn't say anything about the best team had to go to the championship..I was just comparing the scenario of going from a team where you were dominant, to a dominant team that couldn't win a championship..For the record, this was a statement they made..Not me, not the fans, but the Miami Heat! Its one thing talk about winning a championship, and its another to actually do it...
Daniel Gibson Anderson varajoe ESPN hyped up that Cleveland team all we heard was how good the bench was and.they had jamison too I hate how the media hypes this nigga up he went to MIA cuz he couldn't live up to em n Cleveland
he shouldve got the title last year? are u guys kidding me he quitted in like game 2 or sumthing against the celtics. GREAT PLAYERS DONT QUIT KOBE COULDVE LEFT L.A LIKE 3 YEARS AGO BUT HE DIDNT BC HE DOES NOT QUIT
I can agree with you on one thing, Kobe does not quit, during a game. He was, however, trying to quit on L.A and get traded. Bringing Gasol there and getting rid of Kwame Brown is what pretty much saved it or else he was outta there like James, Stoudamire, Melo, and Boozer did. It wasn't like Kobe just said "I'm loyal to the Lakers, so ima stay". That's not true. They made the right trades for him, and he was pleased.
@smoothhoopinal Yup lets not forger Jordan and Kobe had Hall famers to play with... LBJ and Dwade Just had Clunkers, wade got a ring LBJ didnt so im tired of ppl mixing the facts saying " JORDAN DID IT ALL " he had 2 hall of famers do everything else as he scored and took over the clutch.
@smoothhoopinal Yes but who wants to stay on a team that is in the process of rebulding. Especially when you are ageing and want another title. Yeah, Kobe MIGHT have left, and I agree with everything else that was thrown out there
@smoothhoopinal Exactly! Kobe was crying about how he wanted better players after Shaq or he would LEAVE and go to LA or NY. Everyone is crazy, to say that Kobe is "loyal" PUHLEESE. Had they not won in 09/10 he would have left. If Chicago wanted him he would have left, he had Jerry Buss scared like hell, and NO fan can say Kobe isnt a Diva. Unless they are blind. I live in LA and after SHAQ left in 04, everyone was ANGRY as hell at Kobe because then Shaq won a championship with the Heat.
@smoothhoopinal I agree. Kobe had one foot out the door until they brought on Gasol for help. He was always threatening LA with leaving unless they got him help. Almost like blackmail...if you don't get me help, than I'm leaving. Then once he got what he wanted, then suddenly he's chanting "Laker for Life." Nah buddy, you were about to bail if you didn't get better players. So yeah let's not pretend like Kobe was loyal to a fault and wasn't half out the door until he got his way
@smoothhoopinal thank you man. all you have to do is say lakers to player and they will be willing to go there. what big name free agent will go to the cavs?
@smoothhoopinal don't compare Lebrons first seed team to Kobe's playoff mising team before gasol. Lebron had enough talent to win a title but he failed to carry his team.
Kobe tried to opt out of his lakers contract when shaq left 3 seasons ago. The franchise begged him to stay. He changed his mind when they told him oh make it through one season till we get this guy gasol....
Kobe is good in his own right, but u can't say he wasn't a whiney bitch when the lakers went under one season
@itzjonnie did you forget he requested a trade 3 years ago because he was crying about not winning, and what do u mean Kobe doesnt quit?, did you forget Game 6 of 08 finals or game 7 of the Phoenix series in 06, but of course the Kobe dick riders always making excuses for him
@itzjonnie The celtics are pretty good defensively and why should lebron have to do everything? dan gilbert did a terrible job of gettin him quality players and the playoffs showed it
@itzjonnie kobe doesnt quit?? are you kidding me look up 2006 series vs suns he didnt quit my ass up 3-1 and let the suns come back shut up please you do not know what you are talking about
@itzjonnie kobe was gonna leave you dumbass. kobe is a whiny bitch who gave L.A. an ultimatum and L.A. pulled a cheap trade out of their asses to get Pau and kobe decided to stay. wihtout Pau and Shaq Kobe woulda never won titles. Jordan never played with a premiere big man. suck my dick you kobe fucking fan. mj will always be better regardless of how many titles kobe pays stern to get. s
@itzjonnie Kobe has quit many times in playoff games in his career. This year against the Mavs is a perfect example. There's also 2004 against the Pistons, 2006 against the Suns, and 2008 against the Celtics in the Finals. All of those losses were complete blowouts where Kobe did not even attempt to bring them back.
@itzjonnie he didn't quit because they gave him gasol and artest. plus he had bynum. Lebron had, hmmmm, Idk, name one player from the cavs if you can please. Or one player from the bench(hard as fuck right).
@itzjonnie this quitting argument is so weak...not only are you comparing players you are comparing teams...no offense but leaving the lakers and leaving the cavaliers are 2 different things. these two teams are built differently...kobe has players around him and constantly gets the help he needs to win.. and it puzzles me that cavs gm and owner do not get a lot of shit for not providing Lebron james with the help he needs. teams win championships not individuals..
@SkJ2022 well first of all u dont even know what we were talking about at first, some1 said lebron shouldve won the title last yr, and im trying to prove them wrong. you have a point but kobe would never quit in a game. end of story
Kobe does have more fight in him, but he looked pretty defeated in game 4 of the Mavs series this year. He had given up because his team quit on him. That's something that Lebron suffered for YEARS up until the Heat. The Mavs were just the best team in Basketball this year. It isn't about Lebron losing, it's about the Mavs taking it this year.
@smoothhoopinal he was like half a person this yr...do u consider his injuries being a factor? lbj is the best player in the league right now but he in no way the same class as kobe or mj right and thats all iwanted to prove. and i wasnt talking about the mavs this yr i was talking about lbj quitting against the celtics series last yr
@smoothhoopinal Not really... Lakers weren't as strong as they had been the year before, that's why they lost, the whole team is guilty and not just Gasol or Kobe like everyone likes to say... Mavs are excellent that's true, BUT LeBron has shown for years that he is not a warrior, he got swept by the Spurs, owned by Orlando, Boston, and the only reason he made it to the Finals has a name, it's Dwayne Wade. Stop talking about LeBron, it's Wade's team! Miami is Wade!
If, and I do mean If That Cleveland team was utilized they way they should've, meaning playing Hickson, and getting Shaq the ball down low instead of Coach Brown's "Give the ball to Lebron and close your eyes a pray" offense, the Cleveland would win it all, no doubt, I believe. He should've got the title last year.
All are certainly top 15 if not top 10 or 5 greatest of all time. THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER JORDAN, so STOP looking for him. If LeBron had players like Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Derek Fisher and Pau Gasol, he would probably win 5 straight. He's far more unselfish than Bryant and probably the greatest creator since Magic Johnson.
You do realize that these guys have 5 years to get some titles, and that no one has won the 2011 title yet don't you? What are you saying I told you so about????? People freaked out when they were 9-8 too. They've got some tweaking to do, but with the exception of the Spurs, they have lost very close games. That's not convincing enough to say they are not a threat. Just some tweaking, that's all.
I laugh when dan gilbert said, "We will win a championship before [the Heat] do." DREAM ON B/C YOU JUST SET THE RECORD OF LOSING STREAK OF ALL TIME. HAHA. LOSER CAVS. 0-26.
people have to realize that besides the big 3, they don't have much else. If the celtic still have a better team then how can u fault James for that. And as far as him having a better team in cleveland, he only had better role players. But we c now what a bunch of role players can do.
WRONG...i hate the oh horry has 7 rings argument!! MJ, Kobe, Bird, these guys are LEADERS on their team, leading their team to championships, rings do COUNT, otherwise lebron wouldnt have destroyed his legacy and become hated to win one at any cost...which he still WONT. What he failed to do understand is that no matter how many mvps he surrounds himself with, he doesnt what have mj and kobe have....HEART AND WILL to win. Barkley, mj, bird have all blasted lebron recently for that
Do you realize Lebron is only 26? Horry was not a bench rider on those title runs. He was one of the most clutch shooters in the game. Another example is Derrick Fisher, that guy has 5 rings too. If he had not hit some of those clutch baskets he's hit in the past, the Lakers may not have had some of those rings. HOWEVER, Fisher is not better than CP3, Derrick Rose, or Deron Williams because he has 5 rings, and played a big role in it. The ring argument is a team accomplishment.
Also, the year the Lakers got their ass whooped in Game 6. Just because they got clobbered didn't mean Paul Pierce was better than Kobe Bryant. It's a team game, man.
@bigbossman999He doesn't have what mj and kobe had: good teams! A 60+ win team turns into the worst team when James leaves... what does that tell you?
Well said. You could take Kobe off of the Lakers, and they wouldn't suck as much as Cleveland does without James. They wouldn't win a title, but they wouldn't be nearly as bad as The Lebron-less Cavs.
@GoldenSuperJP It tells me has dwayne wade now, an mvp candidate and also chris bosh an all star starter who puts up 18 and a 12, and it tells me he finally has no more excuses, he has a super team now, better than kobes and it tells me guys like you will finally move on to someone else after this season when lebron cant even win it with wade and bosh in their primes..
@GoldenSuperJP ignorant how exactly?? because you dislike whatt i said? LOL, well im sorry but lebron does have an mvp candidate in wade and a superstar in bosh and basically lebron will be out of excuses after this year if he cant even win with bosh and wade...that's a fact, and yes guys like you will probably move on to durant when you realize lebron isnt the next kobe or mj.
I honestly have no understanding what rings have to do with the capability of an individual. Rings = team accomplishment MVP = Player accomplishment You CANT say a player is better because he has rings. In that case Brian Scalabrine is better than Lebron. Case Closed.
I completely agree... but when discussing the greats when you don't have 1 ring people attempt to diminish all the accolades, records and individual success these players experience
@travaugnrolle WRONG...i hate the oh horry has 7 rings argument!! MJ, Kobe, Bird, these guys are LEADERS on their team, leading their team to championships, rings do COUNT, otherwise lebron wouldnt have destroyed his legacy and become hated to win one at any cost...which he still WONT. What he failed to do understand is that no matter how many mvps he surrounds himself with, he doesnt what have mj and kobe have....HEART AND WILL to win. Barkley, mj, bird have all blasted lebron recently for that
@omed619 Not neccesarily MVP's but more so individual accalades and achievements should out weigh the rings. When it comes down to it Lebron will be the leading scorer in NBA History.
Lebron is the best athlete in the NBA no doubt. But, every basketball player in that league would want to hold that NBA Chanpionship trophy more than that MVP trophy. That's why they work so hard. And Kobe Bryant has lead his team to championships. Don't get me wrong, Lebron is on of my favourites and one of the best, but Kobe has shown that when it comes to the playoffs, he is the greatest right now at winning championships.
Kobe led his team twice. The other three times, Shaq led them. Kobe was the key 2nd guy. Lebron never had the fortune to have hall of famers beside him until now. He got a 90 year old Shaq, which I think would've worked if Coach Brown knew what he was doing.
This proves my point. You can be better than Jordan, but if you can't even lead your team once to the championships, than you will not be in the same conversation as the Jordans and Birds.
That's true, but another point is that Lebron will not be known as THE guy who lead his team to the championship. It's been proven throughout the season, without Lebron, Miami lose. Without Wade Miami might win but they won't win the finals. Even without Chris Bosh they won't be succesful.
@omed619 To true basketball fans and players,who know how to look at the game, WHOEVER LEADS their team to a title will get the credit. It is a noticeable difference when Lebron is not out there. Whether he led Cleveland or if he leads Miami, it doesn't matter. He'll get credit. Magic had Kareem and Worthy, two hall of famers, and he gets cred. Bird had McHale, Parish, Bill Walton, and Dennis Johnson, and he gets cred. People wanted to see Lebron singlehandedly take Cleveland to a title.
And anyone who actually believed he would lead Cleveland to a title by himself truly does not know anything about Basketball, and what it takes to get a title. Having one really good guy isn't going to do it in this league. If that's all it took, Kobe would have a ring for each of his seasons he's been in the league
Yes, I agree with you on that statement. But Dwayne wade was able to lead his team to a title , and Shaq, Alonzo, and Payton just put all their weight on Wade, and he delivered. But my whole point is that to win a championship, Lebron AND Wade will be known as the guys who did it. But when L.A won, Kobe was THE guy who did it.
how come no one talks bout chris bosh
wwefan0104 2 weeks ago
who fouled lebron? i think those were the wizard uniforms..
mohammadzafar 2 weeks ago
watch?v=iAkwsv314VM - Charles very similar foul
jlziux 1 month ago
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if you are a true fan to a player.... you shouldn't care what team he's on...... even if he went to the lakers i'd still like him, i like kobe.... but i'm not a fan of the lakers.... know what i mean?
iGoHardboii 2 months ago
@18brandon92 imagine kobe teaming up with pau, one of the premier pfs in the league. Imagine him teaming up with ron artest, who at the time was a hall of famer. That would be a bitch move....oh wait. + look at the big three in boston, kg and ray allen left to join pp.
AFLacorte 2 months ago
ha funny how he says that then when i just was taking shots at him
5NOOPY615 3 months ago
every one missing the ponit labron left the cavs on live tv thats like your girl dump you on live tv then he has a cocky way shitty way to do and say things like wen he got dunked on by the kid he tryed to hide video wen he lost in the plays offs wat he say you go live your shitty lives and ill be rich he just has no class and he ll win a ring and that wen he ll talk the real shit
theerwinrommel1891 4 months ago
@theerwinrommel1891 "no class"?? u serious?... i dont agree with THE DESICION broadcast but the media hyped his desicion up, and the profits of that hr long program went to charity. So he just gave media what they wanted, PERIOD.... also Kobe cried 2 seasons back 2 back ASKING for a trade bcuz they were losing, and ur mad cuz Lebron left?... Would you rather your girl GIVE HER ALL AND TRY to make it work, realize its not then leave (Lebron), or complain and only stay when things are good?(kobe)
phorgroathtv 3 months ago
@phorgroathtv you had a point until that last part . LeBron planned this two years before it happened. So would rather have a girl nag or a girl that was planning to leave off with someone else while you thought she was being faithful to you ?
18brandon92 3 months ago
@18brandon92 how do you know it was planned 2 years prior?... and even if it is the case, why dont people sweat Kobe still? he complained and asked for a trade when things were bad. How loyal is that? .... All im saying if people are going to "Hate" a person on loyalty or whatever, then be consistent across the board. Now if ppl dont like Lebron for personal reasons then just admit it, dont use excuses.
phorgroathtv 3 months ago
@phorgroathtv I personally dont care that he left Cleveland. & Kobe just wanted a supporting cast; He had fuckin Kwame Brown, Mark Madsen, Smush Parker, and Luke Walton? He considered teams like the Clippers, who had decent players; he didnt go team up with superstar competition. Wtf was that? Image Mike teaming with Larry or Magic? That's some pussy shit right there. If LBJ won a title w/ Amare and Felton, the NBA community would be sucking his dick. But he's hated now bc he made a bitch move.
18brandon92 3 months ago
Wow magic johnson was big!
TheAbrenica 4 months ago
i remember a young Kobe Bryant being drafted by Charlotte then him calling his agent saying "get me outta here" luckily Jerry west and Jerry buss gave the kid a chance. after he "took his talents to long beach" he got the greatest gift a player can get a 7' 320lbs shaq diesel. the rest is history. im just saying its the same thing with lebron. a state put their hopes and dreams on a 17yr old kid. who at that age knows about themselves thats why people go to college @ that age to experiment life
deetherookie 4 months ago
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER technically he (lebron) was traded to miami. and no they (Kobe & gasol) did not meet up. but the Lakers organization knows how to build around the marquee player. and the cavs didnt simple. why waste time at a dead end job when you can be more productive and the big bonus every year (championship) at another organization.
deetherookie 4 months ago
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER He needed bynum too just kobe and gasol wasn't enough to win the championship they had to wait until bynum came back to finally win another one
ALEXthaGREAT26 5 months ago
@ALEXthaGREAT26 LOL Bynum averaged 6 points and 3.7 rebounds in the 2009 playoffs... All of a sudden he was the difference maker?? That is actually really funny that you went there... haha never heard that one before! get outa here...
suplex220 4 months ago
@suplex220 Yeah Bynum is not important and yet they got raped in the 2008 playoffs without him
ALEXthaGREAT26 4 months ago
@ALEXthaGREAT26 umm well... They did make it all the way to the finals without him... haha Im not saying he isnt important at all. I am just saying if you think his 6 points 3 rebounds per game in 2009 playoffs and finals are the difference you are crazy... Come on... Thats so ridiculous its not even funny
suplex220 4 months ago
Cursed by Barkley.
leobsession123456789 5 months ago
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER kobe and lebron are similar. kobe will never have won any ring without shaq or gasol and so as to lebron w/o wade or bosh (if it will happen)... kobe's case is more on the management decision's while lebron's are base on his personal decison... similarity starts and ends with the goal of having a champion team/ring the easy way...
wornoutshoes11 5 months ago
@wornoutshoes11 How about Shaq? Is he the same as Kobe and Lebron? Would he have won without Kobe or Wade? He couldnt get it done in Orlando with a really good team. Couldnt get it done in LA before Kobe was starting and putting up good numbers... After Miami he was basically useless... I guess you could make your argument for ANY player of all time. Its kind of a useless argument... Jordan-pippen, Bird-McCahle, Magic-Kareem, Russel-8hall of famers....(pick one)...
suplex220 4 months ago
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER Who cares how it came about? The owners weren't in a position to give them what they needed to COMPETE with the other teams who ALREADY HAVE multiple superstars.
bigtabs 5 months ago
@bigtabs I think the fact that cleveland had the best record in the league two years in a row says that they could "Compete" with the other teams... lol Not to mention Cleveland Handled the lakers, Nuggets, and Spurs in the regular season. They just got beat in the playoffs. Dont sit there and say they couldnt compete though. Thats ridiculous.
suplex220 4 months ago
Lebron traveled
MichRockHop81108 5 months ago
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER this is the first time in Lebrons life where he had to look in the mirror that it was his fault his team lost.Even tho he shouldve did that early in his career in Cleveland.I believe he lacks leadership qualities.Jordan made each and every one of his teammates better year after year.His 07 Finals performance was jus as bad as this years.I don't believe he's spent time working on his game.He's busy building his brand,instead of trying to become a better b-ball player
Zeke4TV 5 months ago
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER Yeah LBJs best decision wouldve been to stay in Cleveland.Because even if he wins 3 or 4 in Miami.I wont give him any credit at all.thats jus me unless he puts up Jordan numbers and actually hits huge shots in the Finals.But 2 ring in Cleve he would be a REAL KING definetly Top 5.Jordan lost to Detroit 3 straight times in the playoffs,before Pippen,Grant and those guys developed.thats emotionally draining to lose to the same team in the playoffs.He couldve left but he didn't
Zeke4TV 5 months ago
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Fuck you charles you are a idiot
hiphopnice 5 months ago
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER A player some as a star like Shaq can say "I don't want to be traded to that team." Like Eli didnt wanted to be drafted to the Chargers, so they traded him to the Giants.
mistanderson 5 months ago
@D0WNGOESFRAZIER
Or maybe Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade need Lebron to do it. They lost to the Mavs, and it's Lebron's fault. If they win, will it be on Lebron? Wade got his when he played with multiple Hall of famers.
smoothhoopinal 5 months ago
@smoothhoopinal it wasnt all lebrons fault, wade wasnt at his best, bosh was ok at best, i think they just need to learn how to play together efficiently, you saw that against boston and chicago, i guess after that they thought they were gonna win it all, but choked, but they went really far considering it was their first year, just like how the knicks could be a threat once melo and chauncey fully adjust to the new team
rockfan96channel 5 months ago
@smoothhoopinal ehhhh but come on you cant go there. look at those multiple hall of famers stats' that year, they were far from their prime.
jaronious89 4 months ago
@smoothhoopinal no.. wade got his by putting up 40 points in the last 4 games. plus everyone has played with a hofer.. michael with scottie.
01shan001 4 months ago 10
@01shan001 rick barry didnt play with a hofer haha
blinkgenre 2 months ago
@blinkgenre Jamaal wilkies.
01shan001 2 months ago
@smoothhoopinal wade already has a ring so cant say that
beastimmobby 3 months ago
@smoothhoopinal multiple close-to-retirement hall of famers. Wade kinda put that team on his back
MrJGP11 3 months ago
@smoothhoopinal lebrons fault? he got them that far,his play in the fourth was poor, but that doesnt leave wade's play unflawed
GottaFly23 3 months ago
@smoothhoopinal Wade had H.O.F's past their prime though. LBJ should've been in NY, because he wouldve had a legitimate shot at a title while being the undisputed alpha.
18brandon92 3 months ago
@smoothhoopinal multiple hall of famers? he played with Shaq and Mourning who were both close to 40 years old and on their last tank of gas. yeah he got tons of calls that went his way but he carried the team on his back nonetheless
jimmywu91 3 months ago
If you look close you'll see LBJ travel
louis18th 5 months ago
cheap shot??? somebody ELBOWS an opponent in the olympics game
CAVITYFIGHTER214 5 months ago
@DrmrGuy1979 Championships don't mean everything for an individual player. Brain scalabrine won a championship... what has he ever done in his 10 years score 1562 points and thats it. Steve Nash hasn't won a championship but he's one the greatest. lebron james has done more than brian scalabrine in one season than he did in his whole career.
01shan001 6 months ago
Lebron James doesn't seem to understand that other teams are going to improve and so are other players. This may of been the easiest shot at winning the championship. I think the rest of his attempts will be harder because of new up and coming talent.
mightydesign 6 months ago
Lerbon is one of the best players in the league but his is not the best player cause he does not have the whole package.
msdanabryant 7 months ago
You guys are fucking idiots for the last four years decides last season the mavs lost in the first or second round! Dirk got his first ring when he was 34 so lebrons got SEVEN years to win rings he's the best in the league and whoever says he's not clutch doesn't watch or know basketball! Did you watch that Miami Chicago series
Drunkm1dget 7 months ago
OMG, alot of you will look like Idiots when James does get his (Rings). He's only 26. Dirk got his first one at 34 is it?
smoothhoopinal 7 months ago 2
@smoothhoopinal at the end of the day.. in order for his team to win he needs role players b/c obviously the "star power" isnt gonna get him far
GHBundelz 7 months ago
@smoothhoopinal dirk is 33 and he has heart. lebron doesn't. end of story.
snilrach 7 months ago
@smoothhoopinal it'll only matter if he gets his rings because he played well, not in spite of him playing bad. if he plays like the best player in the world and carries his team, i'll be the first one to give him credit. but if he continues to fold when the pressure is at it's highest, i'll be the first one to criticize him for it
koalalauncher 7 months ago
@smoothhoopinal at least Dirk stayed at Mavs and did not give up and wait for his time to finally get his Championship Ring.
KNAC10 7 months ago
@smoothhoopinal exactly you sir are a smart man and these same people never questioned Dirk. Lets be real between me and you LeBron is having some personal issues that have been hinted at through multiple sources as it relates to his longtime girlfriend and family and it showed against the Mavs when after the first two games his whole everything changed. But I hope everything with his family works out for the best. Got to put the rest in another reply lol
BTAKVE 6 months ago
@BTAKVE People are mad because he is a threat to be one of the all time greats above kobe, and truth be told I remember the same way people hated Michael Jordan for having a shot at being better than the great white hope Larry Bird and Magic but all the haters mysteriously became fans after they saw it was inevitable. History repeat?
BTAKVE 6 months ago
@smoothhoopinal 32
FREEDOM23100 6 months ago
@smoothhoopinal 27
npization 6 months ago
@npization
27, Dirk is 34 or something? Kidd @ 38? They got a ring. Lebron has several chances left, assuming they start playing again in the NBA soon. He got too close for haters comfort this year.
smoothhoopinal 6 months ago 32
@smoothhoopinal He's been there before. Failed before. LeBron averaged 0.7 points vs the Mavs in the 4th quarter in the NBA Finals. What a chump.
DominicRiv 6 months ago
@DominicRiv
Go check and see how many total pts kobe scored vs DAL this year in the playoffs..
blackadam06 6 months ago
@smoothhoopinal but everyone still gon' hate him lol if he wins a ring then people will go from "yuhh have no ring" to "you were dick riding with wade to get that ring"
lebronshaqfaction 6 months ago
@smoothhoopinal lol At least they got a ring...
dm319756 6 months ago
@smoothhoopinal thats true what youre saying, BUT. Lebron is not to be compared with Dirk and Kidd. They are great players, but Lebron is a lot better player. It is Lebron who is compared ( by few people) to Jordan.It is Lebron who chose to wear number 23, to do the chalk toss. He had everything whats needed to lead a team to the title. And still he failed to win a ring. Thats why he gets so much criticism.
loplification 5 months ago
@smoothhoopinal i know right
D23James 5 months ago
@smoothhoopinal yeah but if he gets a ring with the heat nobody is going to give him credit
beastimmobby 5 months ago
@smoothhoopinal you cant compare Kidd, and Novitsky to James, they rely on skill and finesse, something taht improves with the years ( hence Kobe), when James relies on pure athletic strength wich will fade with time
mouloudo 3 months ago
@npization Hes 26 lol......
sLuuugZz 6 months ago
ya its true lets just wait for lebron's time
crazybuyaya 5 months ago
@npization i don't think thats right. I think dirk is older than that.
YawningBoy 5 months ago
@npization he is 26 he was born in december 84 i believe..
shaq430 5 months ago
YES but dirk didnt move his talent to the SAN ANTONIO SPURS in 03 or to the PHOENIX SUNS in 05...THats the point LJAMES can win 6 or 7 rings but he will never going to be the reason why they will win, both he and DWADE CANT SHOOT THE BALL...
lagosdre 5 months ago
@smoothhoopinal im sorry.... does dirk have 2 back to back mvps? no. did dirk decide to move from the mavs cuz he was mad they didn't win? no. is dirk the one who decided to put himself on a team w/ two players, whose calibre exceed that of Jordan's teammates? (wade is pretty close to pipen, bosh is better than rodman) no. did dirk proclaim that he was gonna win not 7, but more rings? no. did dirk choke in the finals? no. dirk won his ring after years of hard work, and now he gets the payoff.
Mr2cb3 5 months ago
@Mr2cb3 ok but you hate on lebron for making a grown man decison to leave cavs
D23James 5 months ago
@Mr2cb3 dirk did choke in the finals in 06 and before the 2011 finals he choked in every postseason game he ever played in so your wrong dirk is a amazing player but he has his flaws the thing i hate the most about dirk is that he will always layup the ball instead of dunking the ball he 7'0' feet tall dunk the fucking ball
computerlodddh 5 months ago
@computerlodddh dirk is a pretty solid postseason player, he has averaged 25.5 points a game in the playoffs since the beginning of his career, which i wouldn't say is a choke. and lol of course he doesn't dunk, hes european, none of them really dunk the ball lol
Mr2cb3 5 months ago
@smoothhoopinal 32, for Dirk.
natedaug1 5 months ago
@MrHaikuist ..Lebron is not clutch? There is no one in the NBA that is clutch all the time of course..What I personally mean by being clutch is when all else fails you do whatever it takes to bring your team back when it counts the most. That Boston and Chicago series they dominated! The series speak for itself! Every time they needed Lebron to step up he choked! Gave up! Clutch doesn't necessarily mean you have to win every game, but to me how hard you go all 4 quarters! not just 3...
UNANAHREBUBLIK52 7 months ago
majority of star players threaten to leave when they are losing. jordan said the same thing. i forgot waht year but they lost and he was backstage talking about how he should of never came back because his team wasnt playing well
knucklez92 7 months ago
I can't believe Haywood pulled that bitch move ! Just being a bitch because he knows King James is gonna win a championship before him, while he actually won't ever win one. *wink*
quenquen411 7 months ago
Lebron has a problem with defending himself.
When a reporter asks if you let yourself down in a loss, when you score 0 in the 4th.....
DONT ANSWER: "Well um I got a triple double, so I don't know. Watch some tape, cuz I was playing defense too."
Sound like Sarah Palin trying to change the topic. If you lost, you lost.
MrBeanage 7 months ago
Lebronanoff - Inconsistent and Disengaging
Lebrick - Can't make clutch shots
Dirk - Sealed Legacy
MrBeanage 7 months ago
Hey guess wat! Dirk got a ring...does lebum have one yet?
TheDpryde 7 months ago
QUEEN JAMES!!)
otroe1 7 months ago
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"LeBron, better than kobe ??!!" Huh... Like I always said, he doesnt even compare the "Great One" or the "Greater One"! No comparison at all. No, he was never a "King", he was never as good as Kobe or Jordan.. No, he was never a clutch performer.. Kobe is KING, has been since the Lakers got rid of Shaq! History is made today.. Kobe Bryant will now own the NBA until he retires, you watch!
nateswell 7 months ago
i agree 100% with travaugnrolle. The reason people make these dumb ass comments about their mothers have more rings than Lebron is because hes being compared to MJ. And for good reason! Bron is a beast and loves the game as MJ does. Many great players dont have rings including Lebron, Dirk, and Jason Kidd. But no one ever says SHIT about Dirk Nowitzky having no rings.
Dont kid yourselves people. Get your head out of MJ's ass for once and pay attention to the new era of Basketball
fenderftw70 7 months ago
Now everybody would cheer if Lebron was fouled like this. People hate Lebron now because he's a threat to their favorite team now that he has a solid team around him.
xxSUMBLKGUYxx 7 months ago
@xxSUMBLKGUYxx
EXACTLY! Lebron was not a threat when they could throw teams with multiple stars at him when he was alone. Now, he's got help, and Haters are pouting.
smoothhoopinal 7 months ago
@smoothhoopinal Shut the hell up! LeBron couldnt do this without atleast Chris bosh or Dwayne wade
juko9998 7 months ago
@smoothhoopinal i go for the lakers and i dont hate lebron i just think the way he left his home town was kind of childish but i do hope he gets at least one ring but to me he is no longer the KING he left his castle to go 2 wades 2 make an analogy of his nickname.
beni25foo 7 months ago
@smoothhoopinal well, even if they have 2 1/2 supers, there still got no ring,.... no ring.... no ring....
universaljuly 7 months ago 10
@universaljuly
For now
smoothhoopinal 7 months ago
@universaljuly are rings all that matters? if that's the case then the best player is Bill Russel hands down, and even Robert Horry will be in the talks...
phorgroathtv 3 months ago
@xxSUMBLKGUYxx People dislike Lebron because he comes off as arrogant, "Not 5, not 6, not 7..." -- Quoted Lebron James: Lebron's a great player, but he, Dwayne Wade, and the Heat in general, for some reason believed they would win 7 championships, had the best trio ever, etc before they set foot on the court. They should of put there foot in their mouth and played, but they had to make these outrageously douchey comments, which generated all of this hate.
ChicagoFan32 7 months ago
@xxSUMBLKGUYxx ...so whats the excuse now!....can you please answer that for me! How do you go from having the best record 2 years in a row at Cleveland and choke come crunch time..How do you make it to the championship again! and choke like you did again with two other all stars!...I really would like to know from your perspective..
UNANAHREBUBLIK52 7 months ago 3
@UNANAHREBUBLIK52
The Excuse is DALLAS IS GOOD! This is the team that swept the Lakers! 1st year together, and they made the finals. Embarrassed Chicago, and Boston on the way. I'd say they're pretty good. 4 more years to try. It isn't over at all.
smoothhoopinal 7 months ago
@smoothhoopinal...Just because Dallas swept the Lakers doesn't mean they were to take the Championship! Chicago did it against the Miami Heat and didn't win crap! Miami had the series and the force necessary to beat the Mavs..They couldn't capitalize on it! They're nowhere near where they need to be to be a contender..Not after this years performance! Lebron James is not clutch and isn't a threat anymore like he was at Cleveland! 8 points in a championship game! Kobe&Shaq 3! Lebron, Wade,Bosh-0.
UNANAHREBUBLIK52 7 months ago
@UNANAHREBUBLIK52 I'll tell you.....it happens. I think we're forgetting that the first time he's experienced adversity was during his time in the NBA. He was star B-ball player since he was 14. I'm not and LBJ fan or a wade fan I'm a pippen fan and he's retired.
Jordan constantly had to fight for his position on the b-ball court before the NBA. you need that experience. but you guys can't objectively say that the heat wont win a title. NY poses the best threat besides Boston.
yunghitta57 6 months ago
@UNANAHREBUBLIK52 Having the best record doesn't mean jack idiot. Well maybe to you because most kids think that best record = best team. So if that is true then why is the Bulls and Sprus not in the finals? The fact that matter is simple: regular season does not matter.
xingli123 6 months ago
@xingli123...If the regular season didn't matter, every team in the NBA would be in the playoffs idiot..! I didn't say anything about the best team had to go to the championship..I was just comparing the scenario of going from a team where you were dominant, to a dominant team that couldn't win a championship..For the record, this was a statement they made..Not me, not the fans, but the Miami Heat! Its one thing talk about winning a championship, and its another to actually do it...
UNANAHREBUBLIK52 6 months ago
@UNANAHREBUBLIK52 Hypocrite.
xingli123 6 months ago
Daniel Gibson Anderson varajoe ESPN hyped up that Cleveland team all we heard was how good the bench was and.they had jamison too I hate how the media hypes this nigga up he went to MIA cuz he couldn't live up to em n Cleveland
DCanty91 8 months ago
please see the lakers and chicago teams when they won their championships youtube.com/watch?v=cI4fxCT-LaU
paprika13650 8 months ago
When there's NOTHING YOU CAN DO.....cheat.
Cheating in basketball=foul, and the worst of those are the flagrant ones.
There's no excuse ever for flagrants, and I think the sanctions should be much heavier than just one game out for flagrant2.
yoe91 8 months ago
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atenic07 8 months ago 37
so suck my dick n u SHUT THE FUCK UP BITCH
cheez80 9 months ago
@ajkidking he had 2 assist in that game by the way...
zgrace21 10 months ago
@smoothhoopinal yes kobe couldve left l.a but kobe would never quit a game until its over.
itzjonnie 10 months ago
he shouldve got the title last year? are u guys kidding me he quitted in like game 2 or sumthing against the celtics. GREAT PLAYERS DONT QUIT KOBE COULDVE LEFT L.A LIKE 3 YEARS AGO BUT HE DIDNT BC HE DOES NOT QUIT
itzjonnie 10 months ago
@itzjonnie
I can agree with you on one thing, Kobe does not quit, during a game. He was, however, trying to quit on L.A and get traded. Bringing Gasol there and getting rid of Kwame Brown is what pretty much saved it or else he was outta there like James, Stoudamire, Melo, and Boozer did. It wasn't like Kobe just said "I'm loyal to the Lakers, so ima stay". That's not true. They made the right trades for him, and he was pleased.
smoothhoopinal 10 months ago 36
@smoothhoopinal Yup lets not forger Jordan and Kobe had Hall famers to play with... LBJ and Dwade Just had Clunkers, wade got a ring LBJ didnt so im tired of ppl mixing the facts saying " JORDAN DID IT ALL " he had 2 hall of famers do everything else as he scored and took over the clutch.
TheMoparDrvr 9 months ago
@smoothhoopinal Yes but who wants to stay on a team that is in the process of rebulding. Especially when you are ageing and want another title. Yeah, Kobe MIGHT have left, and I agree with everything else that was thrown out there
moodydoyle 9 months ago
@smoothhoopinal Exactly! Kobe was crying about how he wanted better players after Shaq or he would LEAVE and go to LA or NY. Everyone is crazy, to say that Kobe is "loyal" PUHLEESE. Had they not won in 09/10 he would have left. If Chicago wanted him he would have left, he had Jerry Buss scared like hell, and NO fan can say Kobe isnt a Diva. Unless they are blind. I live in LA and after SHAQ left in 04, everyone was ANGRY as hell at Kobe because then Shaq won a championship with the Heat.
olakey1 9 months ago 2
@olakey1
Good points
smoothhoopinal 9 months ago
@smoothhoopinal I agree. Kobe had one foot out the door until they brought on Gasol for help. He was always threatening LA with leaving unless they got him help. Almost like blackmail...if you don't get me help, than I'm leaving. Then once he got what he wanted, then suddenly he's chanting "Laker for Life." Nah buddy, you were about to bail if you didn't get better players. So yeah let's not pretend like Kobe was loyal to a fault and wasn't half out the door until he got his way
PDS12345 7 months ago
@smoothhoopinal
no kobe does quit in the game vs phx game 7 2006 and this year game 3 and 4 vs mavs
lbj6mj23 6 months ago
@smoothhoopinal thank you man. all you have to do is say lakers to player and they will be willing to go there. what big name free agent will go to the cavs?
matt141989 6 months ago
@smoothhoopinal don't compare Lebrons first seed team to Kobe's playoff mising team before gasol. Lebron had enough talent to win a title but he failed to carry his team.
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@itzjonnie
Kobe tried to opt out of his lakers contract when shaq left 3 seasons ago. The franchise begged him to stay. He changed his mind when they told him oh make it through one season till we get this guy gasol....
Kobe is good in his own right, but u can't say he wasn't a whiney bitch when the lakers went under one season
lebronjamesrules123 10 months ago
@itzjonnie did you forget he requested a trade 3 years ago because he was crying about not winning, and what do u mean Kobe doesnt quit?, did you forget Game 6 of 08 finals or game 7 of the Phoenix series in 06, but of course the Kobe dick riders always making excuses for him
MrKing8050 10 months ago
@itzjonnie
he quit ? he quit and recorded a triple double in game 6.
dizzyy2k8 9 months ago
@itzjonnie The celtics are pretty good defensively and why should lebron have to do everything? dan gilbert did a terrible job of gettin him quality players and the playoffs showed it
Dud512 8 months ago
@itzjonnie kobe doesnt quit?? are you kidding me look up 2006 series vs suns he didnt quit my ass up 3-1 and let the suns come back shut up please you do not know what you are talking about
vGxDuBsTePzZ 8 months ago
@itzjonnie kobe was gonna leave you dumbass. kobe is a whiny bitch who gave L.A. an ultimatum and L.A. pulled a cheap trade out of their asses to get Pau and kobe decided to stay. wihtout Pau and Shaq Kobe woulda never won titles. Jordan never played with a premiere big man. suck my dick you kobe fucking fan. mj will always be better regardless of how many titles kobe pays stern to get. s
waray214 8 months ago
@itzjonnie Kobe has quit many times in playoff games in his career. This year against the Mavs is a perfect example. There's also 2004 against the Pistons, 2006 against the Suns, and 2008 against the Celtics in the Finals. All of those losses were complete blowouts where Kobe did not even attempt to bring them back.
KoachKrab127 8 months ago
@KoachKrab127
Hell last years finals, he was sucking balls. Artest and Gasol bailed his ass out. IDK how the fuck he won finals mvp last year.
Kingjd87 8 months ago
@Kingjd87 your stupid
Knuckles0918 8 months ago
@itzjonnie i guess neither of you watched Kobe in 2006, his prime year and he quit in a game 7
Kobe's selfishness hurts his team more than anything else, example: 2005 finals
MrFan32 8 months ago
@itzjonnie he didn't quit because they gave him gasol and artest. plus he had bynum. Lebron had, hmmmm, Idk, name one player from the cavs if you can please. Or one player from the bench(hard as fuck right).
Novinte 8 months ago
@itzjonnie this quitting argument is so weak...not only are you comparing players you are comparing teams...no offense but leaving the lakers and leaving the cavaliers are 2 different things. these two teams are built differently...kobe has players around him and constantly gets the help he needs to win.. and it puzzles me that cavs gm and owner do not get a lot of shit for not providing Lebron james with the help he needs. teams win championships not individuals..
SkJ2022 8 months ago
@SkJ2022
Well said. Lebron would not have left, if he got KG, and Ray Allen, or if He simply got Gasol.
smoothhoopinal 8 months ago
@SkJ2022 well first of all u dont even know what we were talking about at first, some1 said lebron shouldve won the title last yr, and im trying to prove them wrong. you have a point but kobe would never quit in a game. end of story
itzjonnie 6 months ago
@itzjonnie
Kobe does have more fight in him, but he looked pretty defeated in game 4 of the Mavs series this year. He had given up because his team quit on him. That's something that Lebron suffered for YEARS up until the Heat. The Mavs were just the best team in Basketball this year. It isn't about Lebron losing, it's about the Mavs taking it this year.
smoothhoopinal 6 months ago
@smoothhoopinal he was like half a person this yr...do u consider his injuries being a factor? lbj is the best player in the league right now but he in no way the same class as kobe or mj right and thats all iwanted to prove. and i wasnt talking about the mavs this yr i was talking about lbj quitting against the celtics series last yr
itzjonnie 6 months ago
@smoothhoopinal Not really... Lakers weren't as strong as they had been the year before, that's why they lost, the whole team is guilty and not just Gasol or Kobe like everyone likes to say... Mavs are excellent that's true, BUT LeBron has shown for years that he is not a warrior, he got swept by the Spurs, owned by Orlando, Boston, and the only reason he made it to the Finals has a name, it's Dwayne Wade. Stop talking about LeBron, it's Wade's team! Miami is Wade!
P. S. Dirk is a true FMVP!
noopz0r 6 months ago
@CEO1451
If, and I do mean If That Cleveland team was utilized they way they should've, meaning playing Hickson, and getting Shaq the ball down low instead of Coach Brown's "Give the ball to Lebron and close your eyes a pray" offense, the Cleveland would win it all, no doubt, I believe. He should've got the title last year.
smoothhoopinal 10 months ago
@CEO1451 sober up
leemin04 10 months ago
Oscar Robertson = 1 title
Moses Malone= 1 title
Julius Erving= 1 title
Wilt Chamberlain= 2 titles
Jerry West = 1 title
Elgin Baylor= 0 titles
All are certainly top 15 if not top 10 or 5 greatest of all time. THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER JORDAN, so STOP looking for him. If LeBron had players like Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Derek Fisher and Pau Gasol, he would probably win 5 straight. He's far more unselfish than Bryant and probably the greatest creator since Magic Johnson.
apostolostv 10 months ago
@apostolostv YES your 100% right
MJRiley878 10 months ago
@CEO1451
You do realize that these guys have 5 years to get some titles, and that no one has won the 2011 title yet don't you? What are you saying I told you so about????? People freaked out when they were 9-8 too. They've got some tweaking to do, but with the exception of the Spurs, they have lost very close games. That's not convincing enough to say they are not a threat. Just some tweaking, that's all.
smoothhoopinal 10 months ago
@CEO1451
They wouldn't beat this Heat team in a 7 game series though. Reg season? yes
smoothhoopinal 10 months ago
i love the bad boys reference by chuck
Knuckles0918 11 months ago
I laugh when dan gilbert said, "We will win a championship before [the Heat] do." DREAM ON B/C YOU JUST SET THE RECORD OF LOSING STREAK OF ALL TIME. HAHA. LOSER CAVS. 0-26.
newgeneration89 11 months ago
@CEO1451
Sorry to say, but those guys aren't going to make much of a diff. I'd say about 15 more wins with all of them.
smoothhoopinal 11 months ago
@CEO1451
Not quite
smoothhoopinal 11 months ago
The Wizards didnt get there but kicked Chuck Lebron aka Your Travelness "traveled" himself to a victory in the playoff series
XxsiqneszxX 11 months ago
people have to realize that besides the big 3, they don't have much else. If the celtic still have a better team then how can u fault James for that. And as far as him having a better team in cleveland, he only had better role players. But we c now what a bunch of role players can do.
str8duval 11 months ago
Lebron got his two-mvp's during Kobe's prime. Need I say more?
bobosierap 1 year ago
WRONG...i hate the oh horry has 7 rings argument!! MJ, Kobe, Bird, these guys are LEADERS on their team, leading their team to championships, rings do COUNT, otherwise lebron wouldnt have destroyed his legacy and become hated to win one at any cost...which he still WONT. What he failed to do understand is that no matter how many mvps he surrounds himself with, he doesnt what have mj and kobe have....HEART AND WILL to win. Barkley, mj, bird have all blasted lebron recently for that
bigbossman999 1 year ago
@bigbossman999
Do you realize Lebron is only 26? Horry was not a bench rider on those title runs. He was one of the most clutch shooters in the game. Another example is Derrick Fisher, that guy has 5 rings too. If he had not hit some of those clutch baskets he's hit in the past, the Lakers may not have had some of those rings. HOWEVER, Fisher is not better than CP3, Derrick Rose, or Deron Williams because he has 5 rings, and played a big role in it. The ring argument is a team accomplishment.
smoothhoopinal 1 year ago
@bigbossman999
Monte Ellis is a very, very good guard on the Warriors team, right? Is Carlos Arroyo or Chalmers better than Monte if the Heat win a ring?
smoothhoopinal 1 year ago
@bigbossman999
Also, the year the Lakers got their ass whooped in Game 6. Just because they got clobbered didn't mean Paul Pierce was better than Kobe Bryant. It's a team game, man.
smoothhoopinal 1 year ago
@bigbossman999He doesn't have what mj and kobe had: good teams! A 60+ win team turns into the worst team when James leaves... what does that tell you?
GoldenSuperJP 1 year ago
@GoldenSuperJP
Well said. You could take Kobe off of the Lakers, and they wouldn't suck as much as Cleveland does without James. They wouldn't win a title, but they wouldn't be nearly as bad as The Lebron-less Cavs.
smoothhoopinal 1 year ago
@smoothhoopinal Amen. It also takes more than heart and will to win, it takes help. It's a 5 on 5 game, not a 1 on 5
GoldenSuperJP 1 year ago
@GoldenSuperJP It tells me has dwayne wade now, an mvp candidate and also chris bosh an all star starter who puts up 18 and a 12, and it tells me he finally has no more excuses, he has a super team now, better than kobes and it tells me guys like you will finally move on to someone else after this season when lebron cant even win it with wade and bosh in their primes..
bigbossman999 1 year ago
@bigbossman999 Ignorant reply form your part, very ignorant indeed.
GoldenSuperJP 11 months ago
@GoldenSuperJP ignorant how exactly?? because you dislike whatt i said? LOL, well im sorry but lebron does have an mvp candidate in wade and a superstar in bosh and basically lebron will be out of excuses after this year if he cant even win with bosh and wade...that's a fact, and yes guys like you will probably move on to durant when you realize lebron isnt the next kobe or mj.
bigbossman999 11 months ago
@bigbossman999 they wont win this year there are way better teams out there
ps3rocks15 11 months ago
@ps3rocks15 yeah three superstars cant beat an actual team
bigbossman999 11 months ago
@bigbossman999
These guys may or may not get it this year, but they have at least 5 years to try. I wouldn't speak so soon.
smoothhoopinal 11 months ago
I honestly have no understanding what rings have to do with the capability of an individual. Rings = team accomplishment MVP = Player accomplishment You CANT say a player is better because he has rings. In that case Brian Scalabrine is better than Lebron. Case Closed.
travaugnrolle 1 year ago 39
@travaugnrolle
Perfectly stated.
smoothhoopinal 1 year ago
@travaugnrolle
I completely agree... but when discussing the greats when you don't have 1 ring people attempt to diminish all the accolades, records and individual success these players experience
KWE51 1 year ago
@travaugnrolle WRONG...i hate the oh horry has 7 rings argument!! MJ, Kobe, Bird, these guys are LEADERS on their team, leading their team to championships, rings do COUNT, otherwise lebron wouldnt have destroyed his legacy and become hated to win one at any cost...which he still WONT. What he failed to do understand is that no matter how many mvps he surrounds himself with, he doesnt what have mj and kobe have....HEART AND WILL to win. Barkley, mj, bird have all blasted lebron recently for that
bigbossman999 1 year ago
@travaugnrolle
So your saying that if you have more MVP's, you are better. I guess Steve Nash is better than Shaquille and Kobe.
omed619 1 year ago
@omed619 Not neccesarily MVP's but more so individual accalades and achievements should out weigh the rings. When it comes down to it Lebron will be the leading scorer in NBA History.
travaugnrolle 1 year ago
@travaugnrolle
Lebron is the best athlete in the NBA no doubt. But, every basketball player in that league would want to hold that NBA Chanpionship trophy more than that MVP trophy. That's why they work so hard. And Kobe Bryant has lead his team to championships. Don't get me wrong, Lebron is on of my favourites and one of the best, but Kobe has shown that when it comes to the playoffs, he is the greatest right now at winning championships.
omed619 1 year ago
@omed619
Kobe led his team twice. The other three times, Shaq led them. Kobe was the key 2nd guy. Lebron never had the fortune to have hall of famers beside him until now. He got a 90 year old Shaq, which I think would've worked if Coach Brown knew what he was doing.
smoothhoopinal 1 year ago
@smoothhoopinal
This proves my point. You can be better than Jordan, but if you can't even lead your team once to the championships, than you will not be in the same conversation as the Jordans and Birds.
omed619 11 months ago
@omed619
The funny thing about all this, is Lebron hasn't announced his retirement yet.
smoothhoopinal 11 months ago
@smoothhoopinal
That's true, but another point is that Lebron will not be known as THE guy who lead his team to the championship. It's been proven throughout the season, without Lebron, Miami lose. Without Wade Miami might win but they won't win the finals. Even without Chris Bosh they won't be succesful.
omed619 11 months ago
@omed619 To true basketball fans and players,who know how to look at the game, WHOEVER LEADS their team to a title will get the credit. It is a noticeable difference when Lebron is not out there. Whether he led Cleveland or if he leads Miami, it doesn't matter. He'll get credit. Magic had Kareem and Worthy, two hall of famers, and he gets cred. Bird had McHale, Parish, Bill Walton, and Dennis Johnson, and he gets cred. People wanted to see Lebron singlehandedly take Cleveland to a title.
smoothhoopinal 11 months ago
@omed619
And anyone who actually believed he would lead Cleveland to a title by himself truly does not know anything about Basketball, and what it takes to get a title. Having one really good guy isn't going to do it in this league. If that's all it took, Kobe would have a ring for each of his seasons he's been in the league
smoothhoopinal 11 months ago
@smoothhoopinal
Yes, I agree with you on that statement. But Dwayne wade was able to lead his team to a title , and Shaq, Alonzo, and Payton just put all their weight on Wade, and he delivered. But my whole point is that to win a championship, Lebron AND Wade will be known as the guys who did it. But when L.A won, Kobe was THE guy who did it.
omed619 11 months ago