Protestantism has a similar relationship to Catholicism that America does to Britain. The founding fathers were asserting their rights as British citizens which ended up as a revolution and a proclamation of American exceptionalism and uniqueness. Luther wanted reform which resulted in a schism and proclamation that he and his followers were the real Xians. With out RC Protestants would be nothing, with out Britain the U.S. would be nothing. A little more respect is due.
How embarrassing it must be to be outwitted by Hitchens in front of your piers and internationally now on You Tube. Come on apologists, take it like men and realize that you've met your match. You have book deals and reputations at stake, and they may be hard to give up, but your integrity you can still have if you will be willing to admit in light of reason and lack of evidence that you are and have been wrong to accept the God of theism.
Hitchens and 4 godbots. It's just SCARY and CREEPY! Hitchens is so right. They want to tell him what god has told them, through, of course, their interpretation or the literal meaning, and then lay hands on him. It is totalitarian. Now I need a shower.
the whole point of the bible (old and new testaments) is that we are nothing without god/jesus, and that we need him/them. we need to be saved. only god can save us...
and if there is only one god, he is saving us only from his own childish wrath
None of these on the panel ever relates how the Bible was cobbled together, nor how many hundreds of years of fables that went into its make-up. Trouble is, nobody in these posts does so either...till I came along. Best all of you start looking up its history, including who the authors were, and when the various books were written. You might just learn something.
I've always said that the Bible is a collection of historical records and genealogies of actual people going back before the flood (older than any other historical account) all the way to Adam and Eve and the first mention of Christ. We have the actual genealogies and the historical records of the families! The date of the most recent available copy is irrelevant because the records were written on perishable materials. Many copies were made so that we can be sure that the accounts are reliable.
I couldn't agree more. It's stifling how similar Jesus Christ was to all mythical heroes of the time ie: Hercules.
Stories like the fairy tale of the bible were written on a regular basis in this time. All with the same type of "Godly" being who had risen from the dead, with a father who was divine ruler. Theism baffles me in each and every aspect.
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What should baffle you is that the existence of the belief in a Christ has existed since Adam and Eve when God told them that the seed of the woman (a Savior born of a woman) would crush the serpent's head. As soon as there was the need, word of the provision for us that God would provide Himself was given. Only the Creator is all powerful, all knowing and eternal.
They are sitting up there making jokes about themselves as christians. This is just sad. I am a christian, but this is not the best debate, it might be the worst debate. They are playing into Hitchens' debate and not helping at all
There are a few too many jokes. It should be a little more serious. A lot of "Christian" jokes aren't very funny anyway. I don't think Hitchens proved anything but he was able to get some things off his chest true or not. He was a little surprised that they let him talk.
Say you find two flies in your house. You grab a fly swatter and take swipes at both of them.
You kill one and one evades your swatter and escapes out the door just as someone walks in.
Which fly can still make babies?
This is evolution.
Here's another scenario. God gets angry at the whole world cuz a lady ate fruit & put her clothes on. Noah is told to gather two flies to save the species. God kills everything except Noah's lucky few.
You first have to have a design and a selection to choose from. The selection is not always to the strongest or fastest anyway. You have to try to show there is evolution at the beginning because now we already have a selection that is by design.
The earth was destroyed and there are millions of buried creatures around the world in layers of sediment that were bent before they hardedned into rock from the upheaval that pushed up the mountains that we see today. It is evidence the Bible is true.
Who says you must first have a design and a selection to choose from?
And if you must first have a design and selection to choose from, who designed the designer?
Your logic is weak, and your views are crazy. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but only the truly deluded--and I would even argue insane--would spout off young earth-style creationism as the explanation for the universe as you have all throughout these videos.
Look up Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" on YouTube. It's a good start.
I said you can't select without a selection to select from.
The Designer is not an object to be designed. He is invisible Truth. He is what is eternal. No object is eternal. You can't put God into a box and you can't keep God out of the box either.
...and don't confuse the age of earth with the age of life on earth. Try reading the Bible. That is "a good start".
so do giraffes...does that make them horses? Moose also run and kick and bite, are they horses too....come to think of it humans run and kick and bite...so by your logic we must be horses too....epic fail of logic there.
You assume that far too much. Running, kicking and biting is evidence of being alive. Plants are alive and do other things. It has nothing to do with what something is. Your assuming too much fails and evolution is still superstitious nonsense.
Unless I've missed something, God hasn't spoken to mandkind "down through the years". The only thing we can take as Gods word is from a book that has been written, rewritten, and rewritten again through many different translations. Changed over and over to fit the perspective of the writer and the intended readers (a fact). My question for you is: If given that God does in fact exist, how can you be sure that anything in the bible that you read today has anything to do with the word of God?
Yes, you have missed quite a lot. The more copies that were made, the harder it is to change what was said. The so called weakness of Scripture is its strength. I know that the Bible is God's word because I know that only God Himself can save us and that is what the Bible says. It takes a lot of study in theology to understand that.
I have to disagree. The more copies that were made, the Easier it is to change what was said. My example is the nature of rumors. One person tells it to another person, he tells it to another, and so on until its told to you and the version you hear has been streched and exaggerated so much it is almost nothing like the origional story.
Not so, when the texts were copied, if there was an error, it was obvious because of the other copies that did not have the same error. To this day, we can know a good copy from a bad one. It has nothing to do with "rumors".
nice. i like your backing up of Scripture. Again, I don't really like the way the christians are debating in this thing, but they are trying. I would have done worse probably.
do you know what the japanese word for "superconductor" is? It's "superconductor", do you see the problem with translating something thats merely technical...what do you think happens when you translate something that's metaphysical into a language that doesn't have a word for the idea you're trying to convey? The bible is an incomplete copy of a translation of an interpretation....how can you think that it's infallible given those criteria?
Really...thats your response? How deep and enlightening...glory be I have seen the error of my ways by the almighty "lol". Grow up you sad little clown...I bring up a valid point and you attempt to mock...typical of someone who has nothing intelligent to say. The post is part of a much longer conversation dipshit .I don't expect you look beyond the end of your nose for truth so I dismiss you like I would a fart, felt good, but damn does it leave a stink. Float away fartboy...fly fly fly...
God spoke of someone being born of a woman and crushing the dragon's head in response to the sin of Adam and Eve. As soon as there was sin, there was word of the provision for sin. That is easy to understand but it is not likely anyone would understand it without the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth explaining it or from someone who has learned from someone who has learned from God. Regardless of the translation, you still need correct interpretation but everything the Bible says is still true.
You have a closed mind and narrow vision...you do not seek truth, you make assertions and use circular logic to substantiate them. You provide no proof other than the book you blindly cling to. You speak of an invisible god, but how is that any different than the argument Bertrand Russel makes when he refers to the tea pot that orbits the sun between Jupiter and Mars? You can't prove it isn't there, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is there. Abscence of evidence IS evidence of absence.
We can prove that it wasn't evolution and it wasn't objects that ordered themselves making us what we are. We can prove it is by design with intent, reason and success from wisdom and understanding in the nanoworld because of the order that is required and observed for all of that. It means that there is no known thing in the entire known universe that is able to do the same. It means the only thing in any way comparable to that is Yeshua/Jesus and that is more than enough reason to consider it.
Allah is no more than 1400 years old and in fact there is no belief that is 6,000 years old, other than the belief in a Savior (Christ) being born of a woman which was promised to Adam and Eve.
assertions...nothing more. Why does it have to be Jesus? Why not the flying spagetti monster...there's just as much proof for that. Observing the way in which the laws ofthe universe as we know it interact and compliment each other isn't evidence that a god exisits. When I drop a rock into a pond thats gravity at work and as the ripples on the surface expand and interact with the shore or some floating piece of wood that toois a thing that follows physical laws....nothing divine to it.
You know absolutely nothing. There was no mention of the FSM to Adam and Eve, no mention of the FSM being born in Bethlehem, nothing about wise men looking for FSM and FSM is no descendant of King David. No one of any time ever believed in the FSM other than the object glorifiers that lie about the existence of such a thing.
A rock dropped into a pond does not make a life form. That is your imagination "at work".
Honestly, what you just said... It was all just superstitious nonsense to me...
How can you prove it wasn't evolution? By showing us Jesus? OH WAIT--he doesn't exist, my bad... Even though in the Bible says that if you ask for Jesus, he will come... OH WAIT--the Bible is a book of lies, my bad again!!
My debating is stubborn, rude and sometimes offensive. I'm 'fraid you'll have to get used to it, because I haven't even started yet.
I can prove it wasn't evolution because objects do not assemble or collect information from thin air and rocks. That is what is called a baseless fantasy and outright speculation and conjecture (which is not science).
And we assembled from WATER, because WATER can create life (look it up). With our atmosphere and chemicals, we were created from a single cell, that then used mitosis and soon created small creatures that grew up to be reptiles, mammals, etc. Your proof isn't proof, and it also makes you a hypocrite.
I'm going to assume you're a Theist...
What you call a baseless fantasy if also every religion in the world.
No, water does not assemble billions of digits of directives that command the elements to order the structuring of every life form. Creation is the evidence that everything the Bible says is true.
1. No. It's not... Because it says nowhere in the Bible that a huge object from space hit Earth, knocking off a huge chunk, thus creating the Moon. You've been disproved.
2. Creation is not evidence... It just means there's shit here and it got there somehow. I don't see why you have your eyes closed... A new beginning full of rationality, theories and science awaits you in Atheism and Rationalism. Far better than having to follow a silly BOOK... Because we have proof science is true.
1. Yeah, it does. Or else it just claims something with no specifics to back it up, thus it's just stupid. If the Harry Potter series didn't have any specifics or details, it'd be about 50 pages of, "Harry did this, and hit someone," and "Hermione said something smart." That's, for one thing, BOOORIIING. And it also leaves the reader curious HOW it happened.
2. Rocks have the power to save us, but only if we control them. Be more SPECIFIC (look at #1).
The rock did not order itself to fly through the air, you did. Rocks do not order anything. I can't be any more specific than that. It is the rule of science that destroys the theory of evolution.
You never said it had to order itself. ;3 Teehee; be more specific.
The rule of science? LOLOLOL!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLLL!!!!!!!!!! There's no RULES. There's LAWS, smart one. xD
Evolution is possible. There are objects that are unable to do anything. That's why we call them inanimate objects. ;3 Thus a rock can't order itself to do anything.
We ask you Theists for proof. You know what you guys say? "Well, look around you!" I think our proof is far better than that.
Denial will get you no where. Objects do not do things and they do not order life. That is the evidence of Creation, the written and spoken directives that no object is able to put into order. Static only results in static, not order. You can't be giving the glory to objects for billions of digits of directives. That is not science. That is your fantasy. You must wish the Creator of the same interchangeable nanoparts that make up the entire universe and us did not exist.
Since I lost connection at the time of my good comeback (damn Comcast...), I'm going to say this:
1. You're subconsciously blaming your own problems on me; you're the one in denial.
2. I give up. Congratulations; you won. You won on the internet. And rather than make me a Theist, I'm a stronger Atheist. But on the negative side, you've just given a 14-year-old an even lower amount of self-esteem.
Well, don't you and your God feel proud now, huh?
You can always grow out of low self-esteem but it requires knowing truth. The more you know and the more you are able to do, the more self esteem you will have.
I do not deny the evidence of Creation. I also do not give credit to objects and static forces for our existence. I am telling you the truth. No object ever made anything, ordered anything or spoke anything.
...and don't expect to learn everything you need to know in school.
That is INCREDIBLY vague and you seem to keep ingoring "kevkajdas" point here. The laws of physics-gravity, electromagnetic, strong and weak nuclear forces all work to make order from disorder. The very fact that a rock is able to remain a rock for more than a second and not disintegrate proves this. Also obviously something static should remain static, how is this a point....??? the universe was never static.
Did you see yourself giving the credit to objects and static forces? Yes, static always remains static. The universe was put into motion. That is the cause of everything that no one is able to account for.
That is arrogant human perspective your very wording: "the universe WAS PUT INTO MOTION" that implies intent and or purpose-no basis for either. Again, what point are you trying and failing to make with static objects? You have not considered the possibilty that the universe's intial blink into existence is the action and the later inflation is the true cause.
Your "order" from natural causes is not billions of digits of directives that command the formation of the structures of every one of the millions of life form there is on this planet.
Don't confuse yourself with different definitions of static. The devil is in the definition.
The guy on the right is flippin' bananas. A goddamn spook.
McLarenF1God 1 month ago
"adam was the first man" mega LOL
mrabdrum 6 months ago
"you say we are 100k yrs old, can you tell me where i can find that info"...ummm anywhere would suffice
lordrazr 6 months ago
@7:48 the guy on the far right shows his true colors as an idiot.
losghost 6 months ago
Protestantism has a similar relationship to Catholicism that America does to Britain. The founding fathers were asserting their rights as British citizens which ended up as a revolution and a proclamation of American exceptionalism and uniqueness. Luther wanted reform which resulted in a schism and proclamation that he and his followers were the real Xians. With out RC Protestants would be nothing, with out Britain the U.S. would be nothing. A little more respect is due.
MushashiMiyamotoSama 6 months ago
Thank you for posting this, hopokuk.
writersblock26 6 months ago
That last questioner was home schooled.
rubberbaby00 7 months ago 2
everyone wants to ask the Hitch questions ,none of the others .Says everything really
vashna3799 8 months ago
"quick boys lay hands on him"... thats pretty gay
FactNotFaith 11 months ago 4
i just love hitchens
thescorpionking2020 1 year ago
wow that last guy was fucking brainwashed.
xn117 1 year ago
"Sinful since the talking snake episode." I love Hitchens. Lol.
limitbreak323 1 year ago 2
The roman Catholicism was better than paganism huh? That is ridiculous
WordsofHarmony 1 year ago
@WordsofHarmony It some ways it was, in other ways it wasn't.
MushashiMiyamotoSama 6 months ago
How embarrassing it must be to be outwitted by Hitchens in front of your piers and internationally now on You Tube. Come on apologists, take it like men and realize that you've met your match. You have book deals and reputations at stake, and they may be hard to give up, but your integrity you can still have if you will be willing to admit in light of reason and lack of evidence that you are and have been wrong to accept the God of theism.
wdf2222 1 year ago
"I think we can both agree that Adam was the first ma-"
"No..." *shakes head slowly*
O dear, a creationist. Did he really think Hitchens was gonna say yes??
LostSubsForever 1 year ago 14
@LostSubsForever He added 'that's a joke". Did you not hear that?
stoprainingonme 1 year ago
i hate the southern accents in the audience. yuck.
iloveJesus420 1 year ago
The guy on the far right hand side has real DADDY issues.
blacbraun 1 year ago 4
Hitchens and 4 godbots. It's just SCARY and CREEPY! Hitchens is so right. They want to tell him what god has told them, through, of course, their interpretation or the literal meaning, and then lay hands on him. It is totalitarian. Now I need a shower.
lambent77777 2 years ago 2
@lambent77777 what a soul shower
SuperPatrick777 1 year ago
The reformation was an improvement?
rainbowspite222 2 years ago
Hitchens owns this
anitraff 2 years ago
whoever that was has obviously not read the bible.
THEREIZNOGOD 2 years ago
to the question at 5:21
the whole point of the bible (old and new testaments) is that we are nothing without god/jesus, and that we need him/them. we need to be saved. only god can save us...
and if there is only one god, he is saving us only from his own childish wrath
THEREIZNOGOD 2 years ago
from the 8min it is sooooo funny!...:-)
Nitka04 2 years ago
None of these on the panel ever relates how the Bible was cobbled together, nor how many hundreds of years of fables that went into its make-up. Trouble is, nobody in these posts does so either...till I came along. Best all of you start looking up its history, including who the authors were, and when the various books were written. You might just learn something.
jayseah32 2 years ago 3
I've always said that the Bible is a collection of historical records and genealogies of actual people going back before the flood (older than any other historical account) all the way to Adam and Eve and the first mention of Christ. We have the actual genealogies and the historical records of the families! The date of the most recent available copy is irrelevant because the records were written on perishable materials. Many copies were made so that we can be sure that the accounts are reliable.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more. It's stifling how similar Jesus Christ was to all mythical heroes of the time ie: Hercules.
Stories like the fairy tale of the bible were written on a regular basis in this time. All with the same type of "Godly" being who had risen from the dead, with a father who was divine ruler. Theism baffles me in each and every aspect.
Amocoru 2 years ago 16
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What should baffle you is that the existence of the belief in a Christ has existed since Adam and Eve when God told them that the seed of the woman (a Savior born of a woman) would crush the serpent's head. As soon as there was the need, word of the provision for us that God would provide Himself was given. Only the Creator is all powerful, all knowing and eternal.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
I just heard Hitchens say (at 4.46) the sun will become a red "dwarf", which no one questioned, when he meant the sun will become a red "giant".
jayseah32 2 years ago
True.
HWCWTD 2 years ago
A great father with children.
That's where we came from - we've got a superhuman creator dad.
And he gave freedom and stuff. Of course, why didn't i think of that?!
Cotdail 2 years ago
Why didn't you assume that objects made you and your mother and father?
...because it does not happen!
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
They are sitting up there making jokes about themselves as christians. This is just sad. I am a christian, but this is not the best debate, it might be the worst debate. They are playing into Hitchens' debate and not helping at all
mkitche3 2 years ago
There are a few too many jokes. It should be a little more serious. A lot of "Christian" jokes aren't very funny anyway. I don't think Hitchens proved anything but he was able to get some things off his chest true or not. He was a little surprised that they let him talk.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more - we do need to be free of superstitious nonsense.
All of it - Christian, Muslim, Hindi - all of it.
If horses had gods, they'd be horse gods.
MrsPhineasT 2 years ago 3
Evolution is superstitious nonsense. There is evidence for Creation. Every life form is evidence. Horses run, kick and bite.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
Here's a scenario:
Say you find two flies in your house. You grab a fly swatter and take swipes at both of them.
You kill one and one evades your swatter and escapes out the door just as someone walks in.
Which fly can still make babies?
This is evolution.
Here's another scenario. God gets angry at the whole world cuz a lady ate fruit & put her clothes on. Noah is told to gather two flies to save the species. God kills everything except Noah's lucky few.
This is superstitious nonsense.
MrsPhineasT 2 years ago 2
You first have to have a design and a selection to choose from. The selection is not always to the strongest or fastest anyway. You have to try to show there is evolution at the beginning because now we already have a selection that is by design.
The earth was destroyed and there are millions of buried creatures around the world in layers of sediment that were bent before they hardedned into rock from the upheaval that pushed up the mountains that we see today. It is evidence the Bible is true.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
i don't see your logic
MasterOhSo 2 years ago
Who says you must first have a design and a selection to choose from?
And if you must first have a design and selection to choose from, who designed the designer?
Your logic is weak, and your views are crazy. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but only the truly deluded--and I would even argue insane--would spout off young earth-style creationism as the explanation for the universe as you have all throughout these videos.
Look up Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" on YouTube. It's a good start.
MrTamzarian 2 years ago
I said you can't select without a selection to select from.
The Designer is not an object to be designed. He is invisible Truth. He is what is eternal. No object is eternal. You can't put God into a box and you can't keep God out of the box either.
...and don't confuse the age of earth with the age of life on earth. Try reading the Bible. That is "a good start".
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
How do you know that I did not kill the better fly?
Your scenario has sunk already.
The biblical scenario is the actual historical record of what happened.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
so do giraffes...does that make them horses? Moose also run and kick and bite, are they horses too....come to think of it humans run and kick and bite...so by your logic we must be horses too....epic fail of logic there.
MasterOhSo 2 years ago
You assume that far too much. Running, kicking and biting is evidence of being alive. Plants are alive and do other things. It has nothing to do with what something is. Your assuming too much fails and evolution is still superstitious nonsense.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
I think that she meant "a greater (intelligent) power".
A lot of what we know as Christians is from what God has said down through the years.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
Unless I've missed something, God hasn't spoken to mandkind "down through the years". The only thing we can take as Gods word is from a book that has been written, rewritten, and rewritten again through many different translations. Changed over and over to fit the perspective of the writer and the intended readers (a fact). My question for you is: If given that God does in fact exist, how can you be sure that anything in the bible that you read today has anything to do with the word of God?
bertohead 2 years ago
Yes, you have missed quite a lot. The more copies that were made, the harder it is to change what was said. The so called weakness of Scripture is its strength. I know that the Bible is God's word because I know that only God Himself can save us and that is what the Bible says. It takes a lot of study in theology to understand that.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
I have to disagree. The more copies that were made, the Easier it is to change what was said. My example is the nature of rumors. One person tells it to another person, he tells it to another, and so on until its told to you and the version you hear has been streched and exaggerated so much it is almost nothing like the origional story.
bertohead 2 years ago
Not so, when the texts were copied, if there was an error, it was obvious because of the other copies that did not have the same error. To this day, we can know a good copy from a bad one. It has nothing to do with "rumors".
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
nice. i like your backing up of Scripture. Again, I don't really like the way the christians are debating in this thing, but they are trying. I would have done worse probably.
mkitche3 2 years ago
do you know what the japanese word for "superconductor" is? It's "superconductor", do you see the problem with translating something thats merely technical...what do you think happens when you translate something that's metaphysical into a language that doesn't have a word for the idea you're trying to convey? The bible is an incomplete copy of a translation of an interpretation....how can you think that it's infallible given those criteria?
MasterOhSo 2 years ago
lol....
really..thats ur argument.
zebdmaya 2 years ago
Really...thats your response? How deep and enlightening...glory be I have seen the error of my ways by the almighty "lol". Grow up you sad little clown...I bring up a valid point and you attempt to mock...typical of someone who has nothing intelligent to say. The post is part of a much longer conversation dipshit .I don't expect you look beyond the end of your nose for truth so I dismiss you like I would a fart, felt good, but damn does it leave a stink. Float away fartboy...fly fly fly...
MasterOhSo 2 years ago
Address the issues.
No object ever ordered any sterile, sealed directives billions of ordered digits long that command the formation of every life form there is.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
God spoke of someone being born of a woman and crushing the dragon's head in response to the sin of Adam and Eve. As soon as there was sin, there was word of the provision for sin. That is easy to understand but it is not likely anyone would understand it without the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth explaining it or from someone who has learned from someone who has learned from God. Regardless of the translation, you still need correct interpretation but everything the Bible says is still true.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
You have a closed mind and narrow vision...you do not seek truth, you make assertions and use circular logic to substantiate them. You provide no proof other than the book you blindly cling to. You speak of an invisible god, but how is that any different than the argument Bertrand Russel makes when he refers to the tea pot that orbits the sun between Jupiter and Mars? You can't prove it isn't there, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is there. Abscence of evidence IS evidence of absence.
MasterOhSo 2 years ago
We can prove that it wasn't evolution and it wasn't objects that ordered themselves making us what we are. We can prove it is by design with intent, reason and success from wisdom and understanding in the nanoworld because of the order that is required and observed for all of that. It means that there is no known thing in the entire known universe that is able to do the same. It means the only thing in any way comparable to that is Yeshua/Jesus and that is more than enough reason to consider it.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
"We can prove that it wasn't evolution"
LOL Yeah, right - I'll take your word over the thousands of credible scientists the world over :-)
"It means the only thing in any way comparable to that is Yeshua/Jesus"
Really? How do you KNOW it's not Allah, Vishnu, Thor, etc? You don't, you just wish to believe. That is not 'proof' in any way, shape, or form :-)
DefenderOfReason 2 years ago
Allah is no more than 1400 years old and in fact there is no belief that is 6,000 years old, other than the belief in a Savior (Christ) being born of a woman which was promised to Adam and Eve.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
assertions...nothing more. Why does it have to be Jesus? Why not the flying spagetti monster...there's just as much proof for that. Observing the way in which the laws ofthe universe as we know it interact and compliment each other isn't evidence that a god exisits. When I drop a rock into a pond thats gravity at work and as the ripples on the surface expand and interact with the shore or some floating piece of wood that toois a thing that follows physical laws....nothing divine to it.
MasterOhSo 2 years ago
You know absolutely nothing. There was no mention of the FSM to Adam and Eve, no mention of the FSM being born in Bethlehem, nothing about wise men looking for FSM and FSM is no descendant of King David. No one of any time ever believed in the FSM other than the object glorifiers that lie about the existence of such a thing.
A rock dropped into a pond does not make a life form. That is your imagination "at work".
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
... What the... Seriously?
Honestly, what you just said... It was all just superstitious nonsense to me...
How can you prove it wasn't evolution? By showing us Jesus? OH WAIT--he doesn't exist, my bad... Even though in the Bible says that if you ask for Jesus, he will come... OH WAIT--the Bible is a book of lies, my bad again!!
My debating is stubborn, rude and sometimes offensive. I'm 'fraid you'll have to get used to it, because I haven't even started yet.
Sooo... Where's your proof?
kevkajdas 2 years ago
I can prove it wasn't evolution because objects do not assemble or collect information from thin air and rocks. That is what is called a baseless fantasy and outright speculation and conjecture (which is not science).
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
... What kind of fucking proof is that?
And we assembled from WATER, because WATER can create life (look it up). With our atmosphere and chemicals, we were created from a single cell, that then used mitosis and soon created small creatures that grew up to be reptiles, mammals, etc. Your proof isn't proof, and it also makes you a hypocrite.
I'm going to assume you're a Theist...
What you call a baseless fantasy if also every religion in the world.
They all have NO proof.
So don't act like (c)
kevkajdas 2 years ago
No, water does not assemble billions of digits of directives that command the elements to order the structuring of every life form. Creation is the evidence that everything the Bible says is true.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
(c) you know everything just because you believe in something.
We believe in evolution. There's plenty proof of that.
We've proved the Earth to be billions of years old.
We have fossils that are connected to extinct reptiles and mammals.
We have the MOON as proof, too.
A while ago, it was proven the Moon came from Earth, comparing moon rocks to Earth.
No God ever stated the Moon came from Earth, only that the Earth was created by them.
kevkajdas 2 years ago
It says that God created the heavens and the earth. The moon is proof of having been created just like the Bible says. No contradiction there.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
1. No. It's not... Because it says nowhere in the Bible that a huge object from space hit Earth, knocking off a huge chunk, thus creating the Moon. You've been disproved.
2. Creation is not evidence... It just means there's shit here and it got there somehow. I don't see why you have your eyes closed... A new beginning full of rationality, theories and science awaits you in Atheism and Rationalism. Far better than having to follow a silly BOOK... Because we have proof science is true.
kevkajdas 2 years ago 2
It says that God created the heavens and the earth. It does not say how God created them. It doesn't have to.
I see you are new to the issues of Creation and Science. What you say is like saying that rocks have the power to save us.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
1. Yeah, it does. Or else it just claims something with no specifics to back it up, thus it's just stupid. If the Harry Potter series didn't have any specifics or details, it'd be about 50 pages of, "Harry did this, and hit someone," and "Hermione said something smart." That's, for one thing, BOOORIIING. And it also leaves the reader curious HOW it happened.
2. Rocks have the power to save us, but only if we control them. Be more SPECIFIC (look at #1).
kevkajdas 2 years ago 2
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Rocks do not have any power to do anything.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
I never said they could. I said we can use them to our advantage; we can throw them at somebody, thus the rock does something with our help.
kevkajdas 2 years ago 2
That is not the rock doing something. That is you throwing the rock.
You are way behind on what the issues are.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
Nope. The rock is doing something that we've forced it to.
"The rock is flying through the air." The rock is doing something; flying through the air. You just have to be the one to force it.
Unless you're talking about something else, I highly suggest being more specific on the situation you're trying to tell me.
kevkajdas 2 years ago
The rock did not order itself to fly through the air, you did. Rocks do not order anything. I can't be any more specific than that. It is the rule of science that destroys the theory of evolution.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
You never said it had to order itself. ;3 Teehee; be more specific.
The rule of science? LOLOLOL!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLLL!!!!!!!!!! There's no RULES. There's LAWS, smart one. xD
Evolution is possible. There are objects that are unable to do anything. That's why we call them inanimate objects. ;3 Thus a rock can't order itself to do anything.
We ask you Theists for proof. You know what you guys say? "Well, look around you!" I think our proof is far better than that.
kevkajdas 2 years ago
Denial will get you no where. Objects do not do things and they do not order life. That is the evidence of Creation, the written and spoken directives that no object is able to put into order. Static only results in static, not order. You can't be giving the glory to objects for billions of digits of directives. That is not science. That is your fantasy. You must wish the Creator of the same interchangeable nanoparts that make up the entire universe and us did not exist.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
Since I lost connection at the time of my good comeback (damn Comcast...), I'm going to say this:
1. You're subconsciously blaming your own problems on me; you're the one in denial.
2. I give up. Congratulations; you won. You won on the internet. And rather than make me a Theist, I'm a stronger Atheist. But on the negative side, you've just given a 14-year-old an even lower amount of self-esteem.
Well, don't you and your God feel proud now, huh?
kevkajdas 2 years ago
You can always grow out of low self-esteem but it requires knowing truth. The more you know and the more you are able to do, the more self esteem you will have.
I do not deny the evidence of Creation. I also do not give credit to objects and static forces for our existence. I am telling you the truth. No object ever made anything, ordered anything or spoke anything.
...and don't expect to learn everything you need to know in school.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
That is INCREDIBLY vague and you seem to keep ingoring "kevkajdas" point here. The laws of physics-gravity, electromagnetic, strong and weak nuclear forces all work to make order from disorder. The very fact that a rock is able to remain a rock for more than a second and not disintegrate proves this. Also obviously something static should remain static, how is this a point....??? the universe was never static.
HWCWTD 2 years ago
Did you see yourself giving the credit to objects and static forces? Yes, static always remains static. The universe was put into motion. That is the cause of everything that no one is able to account for.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
That is arrogant human perspective your very wording: "the universe WAS PUT INTO MOTION" that implies intent and or purpose-no basis for either. Again, what point are you trying and failing to make with static objects? You have not considered the possibilty that the universe's intial blink into existence is the action and the later inflation is the true cause.
HWCWTD 2 years ago
All the evidence shows intent and purpose. You haven't even noticed that yet.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago
Your "order" from natural causes is not billions of digits of directives that command the formation of the structures of every one of the millions of life form there is on this planet.
Don't confuse yourself with different definitions of static. The devil is in the definition.
Seekmosttoprophesy 2 years ago