....from my experience, most people I've met have never heard, or even heard of, the brands "audiophiles" say are better. Their only reference is cheap stuff that Bose will sound better than (Bose is not the worst brand out there, BTW). So maybe it's not that audiophiles have better hearing. It's more like audiophiles have heard more audio brands than most people have because they take the time to seek them out, and through comparing these brands to Bose, they've found there's better than Bose.
Also, after reading through several of your comments, you seem to have a firm belief that every person who hates on Bose simply thinks they have "better hearing than everyone else." This implies that every single person who likes/owns Bose has heard speakers from every audio brand in existence, and through using their ears, they have chosen Bose.
This is very unlikely. As there's thousands of audio brands out there, and not even the most extreme audiophiles have heard every single one......
....and even if someone does have all the things you mentioned, if they're not allowed to look in audio magazines, do research on the internet, look ad advertisements, or ask people who could simply suggest some audio brands to check out (which I as an audio enthusiast would do), how are they to expand their mind to other possibilities? It seems like your advice would only limit people to brands they already know about....
Your advice on how to be buy audio equipment is odd. What if someone has a bad taste in muse? Or doesn't like music, but likes movies and wants to buy a home theater system? What if someone only has one functioning ear, but can hear out of the other perfectly? What if someone doesn't have money in a bank account, but instead has money in their wallet, or a briefcase, or a shoebox, or a tupperware container they brought to the dealer? Are they going to have a hard time buying audio equipment?
I bought a pair of Bose QuietComfort 15 headphones from BestBuy. Two days later, I heard a rattling sound in the left earcup so I immediately returned it for a new pair. The second pair lasted about a month and the sound completely left the left earcup of this pair so I had to send this direct to Bose and they promptly sent me another pair.
So far, so good.
I LOVE the technology; it really eliminates background noise better than any other noise-cancelling can. But the workmanship IS cheap.
as an AV contractor, ive been looking at the same bose lifestyles systems for 10 years. just now did they catch up with the hdmi times. my lifestyles system is packed in its box waiting for a relative to ask for audio, and my onkyo (yes i said it) is taking its place. i even prefer onkyo's stock speakers over bose's cubes. ive dealt with tons of manufacturers, bose being very very very low on my list of suggestions to customers.
B & W 5.1 is jusamazing. I got the whole system in 2007 for the whole 5.1 satellite system with ROTEL DVD player and AMPLIFIER for only HK $12,800. While at the same time before purchase, I was considering the BOSE 5.1 and even the 2.1. I am still fully grateful that I had chosen the B & W system, the sound is just so clear and GENUINE, the bass(I am a bass lover) is fantastic for such UNDER-PRICED system. ^^
ALso, I really would tend not to consider BOSE products. I will test them for there is a BOSE store below where Iive. Honestly speaking, my HK$550 SONY headphones do sound better than the BOSE QC 2. The ear cushion of my QC 2 is peeing off n less than 2 years and the cushion becomes thinner and external sound can come in and can no longer isolate much sound after all. I bouAUDIO TEHCHNICA for my friend the B version and it is really WORTH it and better than the BOSE QC2 latest version one.
Well, I agree with you in many ways. One differenceis that bose sounds good is because i has crated wider soundstage and thus sounds more lively, but in fact it is an illusion in some ways. I personally loves to listen to music "IN the music", in oteh wor, be surrounded b music. If one really spends time in comparing with other different brands of speakers like DALI, B & W speakers, media speaks, headphones(which I own), you will notice BOSE SOUND is lack of depth and it really isOVER PRICED.
You work for Bose don't you? I'd had Bose in three vehicles. In the first two cars the head unit when bad after a couple of years. The Bose in my Mazda3 still works (probably because it doesn't have a Bose head unit) it just sounds like shit.
I think you would have to be pretty ignorant to say BOSE is the best sounding equipment "BUT"it certainly doesn't mead that it is bad I use both. In my bedroom I have an old acoustimass 25. living-room a combination of onkyo amp7.2 magnat 903'S as front speakers. Sub is a canton as50 And Bose jewel cubes for front and rear surround and they sound spectacular
I realize I'm likely wasting my time with this comment, but here goes: Bose is entry-level gear. Bose's relentless media campaign is aimed solely at unsophisticated listeners. Clearly, the media blitz has been effective; witness my neighbor who, when I mentioned to him the other day that I'd upgraded my home stereo system, uttered just one word: "Bose?" Ugh. One can pay 1/4 the price of Bose for a system that sounds as good or better. Just please don't confuse that with "high fidelity."
wow what a dipshit this guy is making a video like this. hey asian shit, do you fuck your bose speaker more than you wife? your wife probably left you for a black dude with a bigger... much bigger dick.
my companion 5s sound like 0:52... fucking rip off, 5.1 channel surround sound BULLSHIT, these things cost $600 aud FUCK THAT!!! im returning them asap
You people are crazy and have no ear. Do a side by side of the $300 bose headphones, and the $100 audio technica ath 50... The AT literally DESTROYS them...
ok, from watching this video, while wearing bose headphones, I can say the following
I actually test my stuff before I keep it, I did 3 songs with bose headphones that fully test any headphone set completely.
what did I find, you ask?
my new bose headphones improved the songs so much that I heard stuff that I never heard in the song before, many new background sounds that were always there that I didn't really hear that well.
also, it sounded so lifelike, i thought i was in the studio!!!
i use one of the old acoustimass models with a marantz 2270 and it sounds great but bose's new stuff is overpriced. i can buy a pair of sony XB700's for $140 and they sound, feal, and look better than your $300 Quiet comforts. + they are partnered with apple so i dislike, 2 overpriced companies? no thanks. classic audio is where its at. the marantz puts out a better sound better than anything ive heard yet. 90's bose=YEAH new bose=NO.... 70's receivers=YES!
@BlackCherryAudio Explain to us all with your mighty intelligence how being able to trial a bose product in your own home for 30 days is deceptive. Hint: Don't embarass yourself.
@MrBosesucks It's not deceptive. Bose sells many more speakers offering a 30 day return. It's a good business decision because Bose is well aware that once someone gets a system home and all set up a customer is highly unlikely to return them, especially in 30 days. It's psychology. I've had it with your nonsense. Good bye and Good sound to you.
@MrBosesucks It's deceptive because people are more likely to buy it, feeling more confident as a result of the trial policy, and they very rarely return items whether they are satisfied or not.
Remember the Danoz direct teeth whiteners and what not with the 30 day money back policy? These had low return policies too. Not that Bose has the same kind of trash on offer but the marketing technique itself is incredible deceptive...
@BlackCherryAudio 1. Your gf works in collection, as opposed to sales, so she never even meets the customers that keep their products. Is that plain english enough for you? Or are you going to prove your stupidity by replying with another comment that attempts to hide the fact that you are paranoid about anyone who says anyng marginally positive about bose?
@MrBosesucks Once again you give the dodge. Apparently you completely missed my statement earlier that was marginally positive about Bose. You are correct that she didn't meet any satisfied customers, however units sold and units returned does not tell you anything about the satisfaction of those who keep their systems. Many times people buy equipment and in a few months decide they don't like it, buy something else. There seems to be more negative than positive reviews on the net.
@BlackCherryAudio, You created the dichotomy in the first place - read your own comments! Bose sales figures are not a dichotomy - its called evidence. Derp, if your gf workedin collections, she would never even meet a single bose customer who kept their product - talk about bias. Only 1/5 deliquent account at the collection stage? thats a great stat. Just proves you have no clue what you are talking about!
@MrBosesucks Is English your second language because you have terrible comprehension skills. Again, about 20 percent of purchasers through Bose credit would default because of dissatisfaction. The other 80% I assume couldn't or didn't want to pay. That is not good. You are the one who is clueless. Default because of customer dispute is typically 5% or less for a healthy company.
@MrBosesucks Paranoid schizophrenia? Are you fucking serious? You are ignorant beyond belief. I AGREE with you about the pseudoscience that props up audiophiles and obscenely expensive systems. People spending thousands on shit that makes no difference. Speakers make a difference, and those differences can be heard and measured. Bose is one of the WORST values in audio speakers. You are a liar, fucktard. Hope they are paying you well.
@BlackCherryAudio Nice try, but you claimed I work for / represent bose - this is part of your paranoia. You can't believe someone who's never worked for bose, would create a balanced video about bose. You need to work on your integrity - something that all audiophiles can learn about.
All of you arrogant morons ignore the countless double blind tests where "audiophiles" couldnt even tell the difference between cassette tape and CD!!!!
@MrBosesucks Accusing you of being paid is not paranoia. You posted this video over a year ago and you still spend time arguing and insulting people here. If you're not getting paid for being a Bose shill then you are the nut job. As for me being an Audiophile, I'm not. Like I said, boutique amps, exotic cables, ect. are rip offs. The most important part of a system besides the source is the speakers and Bose speakers are inferior to most of their competitors.
@BlackCherryAudio Yes it is. You think the only way someone can challenge anti-bose audiophiles is if they're paid or nuts. Well schizoid, I'm neither, so start dealing with reality, instead of making excuses for your terrible judgement and opinions. You claim Bose speakers are inferior, but that's your opinion, doesnt make it universally true. If anything, your wild accusations about me being paid show that you have an anti-bose bias, and your opinion isn't to be trusted.
@MrBosesucks paid or nuts is a logical fallacy called False Dichotomy. Exactly the same fallacy you commit in the video when you say that since Bose sells so many units with so little returns that they can't be poor quality. My GF worked for 5 years at Bose in the collections department. 1 out of every 5 accounts were delinquent because of a dispute with the company. They felt ripped off. She quit because she couldn't take the abuse from pissed customers anymore.
@MrBosesucks 21st Century Schizoid man again. I never said it was universally true.Once again you appear disconnected from reality. You have made numerous assumptions about me that are dead wrong. You can do worse than Bose, however, if you actually want to hear all of the source material as it was intended, Bose doesn't cut it. Any company who refuses to release even basic specs, is overly litigious, and misrepresents its product is not a trustworthy company.
@MrBosesucks You have demonstrated that your opinion is not only biased, but rigid and dogmatic. You have chosen to ignore or dismiss all objectivity when it comes to the reality of the quality, or lack thereof, Bose speakers. M&K should have sued Bose out of existence in the 80's when they claimed in a massive marketing blitz that misrepresented them as inventors of the Sub/Satallite system. They were close to being history then.
@MrBosesucks As far as ignoring double blind testing, I would ignore any testing that WASN''T double blind as that is the gold standard for uncovering the Audiophile myths. People can't hear the difference between red book cds and SACD, A certain cheap Pioneer amp can outperform a Levinson.
Your video is not balanced. It is full of logically fallacy like argumentum ad populum and strawman.
@MrBosesucks As far as integrity, deceptively naming a pro Bose propaganda video Bose Sucks and your user name prove that you will resort to lies instead of facts to advance your agenda. You present no facts that establish Bose doesn't suck, just bullshit in this video. I would debunk it point by point but I have spent enough time debating with someone who has no ability to be objective when it comes to Bose speakers.
@BlackCherryAudio You talk a lot, but I see no debunking in your comment. if you have some actual substance to back up your point of view, you're welcome to present it.
Accusing me of "lying" is rather ridiculous, considering you can't even highlight a single lie in this video. Just like all audiophiles, your're content with being paranoid when it comes to a video that exposes how baseless, weak and thin, audiophiles criticism of bose actually is.
@MrBosesucks A counter video that will debunk every single statement you make in the video will be produced post haste. It is not possible with the character limitations to properly support WITH EVIDENCE my case. You provide evidence that paper cones can be excellent if properly made however what you cited only addresses paper cones for bass and mid-range. They can be excellent for tweeters as well but I'm talking ScanSpeak or similar. Not the shite that Bose uses.
@MrBosesucks You use deceptive tactics like extreme frequency filtering which in no way resembles real life performance of any speaker of the type we are discussing and claim that is what critics say Bose sounds like. That is deceptive. (Lying). You also dumb down the actual criticism so that use can simpleton, ignorant, logical fallacies to artificially prop up your side of the argument.
@MrBoseSucks You can go to school and learn to listen better. You can read Bob Katz book Mastering Audio. Chapter three addresses the most important element of all, the ear — or more accurately, how to train and use it. Katz also sets seven specific ear-training exercises in this chapter, all trivial and easy given a little effort, yet these are crucially fundamental skills for anyone interested in improving their hearing acuity in the context of recording or mastering music.
@MrBoseSucks Your deception such as your username and the way your video is named and presented is in lock step with Bose Corp. marketing. You have supplied zero objective evidence of any of your claims about Bose. Why don't other speaker companies offer a 30 day try out? What do they have to hide? Probably nothing. Bose can afford to do it because they have been fleecing customers for decades. There are several dealers in my area that allow home auditions of any brand of speaker they carry.
@BlackCherryAudio I suggest getting yourself checked into a psychiatric hospital, paranoia is a symptom of schizophrenia. One of the other features of this disease is believing that you can hear things that aren't really there. Makes perfect sense.
Audiophiles don't have better hearing than anyone. The only thing that they do better is pay attention to frequencies that the average person doesn't. Do you thing the average person listening for 60hz? Not really. Plus they take the time to study what is sound and what are its components. But since my last question as still gone unchallenged someone answer me this. (care to answer?) Why is Bose never found in a high end retailer with some of the best brands like Dali, Wilsons, or Martin Logan
@MrBosesucks I still stand by what I said...they don't hear any better than we do. They take the time to educate themselves and know how to break down the specifics. They know what speakers will sound best in a given situation. Now I have a feeling that you haven't taken the time to research and what is audio and its many components. Yet you have the audacity to call names and bash others. PLUS you still wont answer the questions I have already asked... FAIL!!
i@gree i have the 1000pounds waveguide system my lord what a mistake good job i only paid the postage hahah fuck you bose after hearing your systems it must be old men in white jackets behind this awfull bose sound.they spend millions on advertising and thier products are terrible listen folks keep away from bose.bose have to seriously sort thier sound out,my goodness if these are the guys who are helping nasa with thier products no wonder itl take 10.000years to get to maaaars.
I have two Bose 301 series 1 speakers, from the 70s. You'd expect them to be at least half decent given the size of their woofer cones (8"), but due to the size of the cabinet, they are woefully inadequate with bass or anything below about 90Hz. They also over-emphasize the upper-mids and treble. They're handy to mix with, however, because I can get an idea how my mixes sound on terrible speakers. If I could afford better I'd do so in a heartbeat.
When we say "No highs, no lows", we are referring to the fact that 1) Those shitty paper cones cant reproduce frequencies above 4k accurately, and in fact roll off most frequencies above 15k to over 3-4dB. What does this mean? You get highs yes, but not all of the high frequencies. You're missing alot of audible information. When we say no lows, the subwoofer module can't even play a proper 20hz note, producing the frequency without impact.
@sunsetsniper Let's be clear for a second, you're chatting shit. If you think paper can't reproduce frequencies over 4k properly, you need to get your brain and hearing checked. Something I would recommend to all people who call themselves audiophiles.
@MelleTwaklapper Nobody is stopping you from enjoying yout Tannoy. Its people like you who can't leave people who have bose alone. After all, you're the one who commented on my video.
Your immature raviings are another example of how fundaMentalist you audiophiles are.
You asked for comments at the end of the video....it's like feeding a fire with gasoline. Normally i could not care less what other people have.. Why did you make the video in the first place eh? You could have just left it be and enjoy your Bose....I'm getting the feeling you have been buttfucked by an audiophile and it still hurts.
@MelleTwaklapper You obviously care enough about this video to comment on it. You could have just let is be but you decide to comment. Don't worry I'm used to hypocrasy of audiophiles.
I'll leave it be after this..You call everybody else an ignorant audiophile, yet you don't see yourself as one.
But you're ranting against everybody defending your Bose. You're just the same as everybody else only you bought Bose and others were smarter than that and THAT my friend, has got to hurt. The best of luck to you and you expensive sheit.
This seems like a video from somebody affliated directly with Bose. He hides the main points behind more subjective ones. I will start who says who says " No midrange". Bose has some midrange say from 600Hz to 3000Hz but no arguing about " No Highs No Lows, it must be BOSE". Since the length of my response is limited Please read : intellexual net/bose html
I have the Acoustimass 5 and I can attest that it sounds BAD. Bass is muddy, and there's NO tweeters in the satellite speakers. The worst thing is that the mid-range comes out of the Acoustimass 'woofer'. SO...you get mid-range coming out of the corner of your room and none from anywhere else. It's a strange sensation, almost like somethings wrong with your ears.
@DubstepPromos Some people say the opposite. Audiophiles (people who think their hearing is better than everyone elses) really need to make their minds up if they actually want people to believe their opinions.
@MrBosesucks You're using the word "Audiophiles" much and i don't like it. If someone told you that Bose sucks and claimed to be an Audiophile most likely could be more of Car Audio guy. That's because Audiophiles not only they wont call Bose Crap but i will be surprised if they even know such low budget mass production products that are widely available to your local walmart like Bose and the other Hundreds.
If you start blaming Audiophiles for Bose Hate,at least learn first who they are.
@truebassB We know exactly who audiophiles are - they're arrogant people who think they can hear better than everyone else. They constantly argue with the fact that people buy system becuase they sound good to them. Show them sales figures and they will start talking about marketing and other bullshit. People buy and keep stuff because they like it. Audiohphiles need to deal with this sh*t called reality, or shut the f up.
@MrBosesucks Also Bose sells products that aren't even in the range of interest of an Audiophile. An Audiophile doesn't care for complete systems such as 2.1 and 5.1,an Audiophile and specially on low budget will exclusively prefer a Pair of speakers like ATC,Proac.Quad,etc over a 2.1-5.1 commercial speaker set,and on higher Categories from Horn Speakers to normal 2-way speakers that costs thousands.
So to be clear,don't blame Audiophiles for the hate,because Bose ISN'T EVEN at their Eye-Sight!
@truebassB Correct, audiophiles are not interested in sound.They're interested in bragging to everyone about how good their hearing is and how crap everyone who buys a system less than $500 is.
That's all they're good for. if you want a buy a system that sounds good you you, ignore audiophiles and trust your ears. Audiophiles don't want you to do this and this is why they collect here for your amusement.
@MrBosesucks I don't find a Bose Hater better than Bose Fan by the way,those are childish things for illiterate people who think that all the rest of the people regardless taste must follow their own likes. Everyone should suck it up and if they are indeed smart they better do what they think it's smart too.
Reminds me of me cruising in a big ass SUV seeing the others in Aveos,each other say who gives a shit what the other does as far as me or the other guy does what he thinks it's best.
@truebassB Well said, bose haters are like a community of retards that try to one-up each other by recommending average products to each other that have ever increasing price tags.
They think because I defend bose, I must only love bose, but they don't realise that I own many different systems from many different manufacturers and they all have uniquely good sounds.
BOSE is only good if you can get the system, and spend $30k on sound engineering including labor and parts to turn your living room into an acoustic piece of art. THEN it's worth the money (not the 30k. the original few thousands)
Bose products aren't HORRIBLE. You could buy worse sounding equipment. Of course, for the same (or usually 1/2 to 1/3 as much) money you can get similar or (more often) much better performance. But they will always outsell all other audio companies combined simply because they have perfected just the right combination of diabolically clever mass marketing, ridiculously dumbed-down ease of use, and sleek compact pretty form factor...because hey, let's face it, most people are lazy and stupid.
@Edsta922 all true... most of those in the know, and not being paid to gloat for Bose, know that it is 'ok' sounding stuff and probably better than that $200 sony system you buy at dept stores all over the world. it's the false advertising and misleading consumers into thinking they are getting a good VALUE and even worse getting the best available.
Bose is like Monster. They sell ok stuff but it's hugely overpriced. Just like you can get better headphones than Beats for half the price, you can get better audio equipment than Bose for half the price.
your understanding of audiophiles is way off base. it's not about taste, it's about education. NOT marketing and gimmicks. walk into any decent hifi store and you'd be lucky to find Bose. if they have it, it's just because some people walk in and INSIST on buying it. they'd rather sell something than turn away business. Most of what BestBuy sells is consumer level and this includes Bose and Beats. Lowest common denominator, designed to turn off the least number of people, like Bud Light.
I'm guessing many of the Bose apologists are in this situation: They bought Bose speakers because they heard they were the best. They saw this vid. People say they got ripped-off, manipulated, etc. They feel bad, understandably. So they rationalize. Bose defenders: Don't feel bad. It's OK. It happens to the smartest of people (like my Dad). Enjoy the music/sounds. One's happiness is not (or shouldn't be) determined by speakers. But next time, avoid Bose! You won't regret joining the "club"....
Checked out 150$ Bose headphones, pretty shitty design. They look and feel like 10$ headphones you would on some shady market. Compared them to 50$ JVCs laying nearby in the store, both have a decent base but JVC's sounded more crisp and clear. This vid was made by a lamo who just feels bad about owning some crappy Bose product. If you were truly happy with your product, you wouldn't care about what people say, nor would you spend time making this vid with feeble points...
Actually you can say that Bose is way overpriced from the stand point of comparing, cost to manufacture compared retail. I am willing to bet that Bose uses some of the cheapest materials to manufacture there products. So in fact there are overpriced! I would agree that Bose may not be the worst product but still are not all that good ether! Also simple fact is that Bose systems do not have much flexibility so this makes other brands a better buy as well as better sounding.
A bose fanboy in disguise? Really? I don't think bose is the worst, they certainly are not the worst sounding headphone manufacturer....but regardless of the sound the produce, which is rather mid tier, they are very expensive.
@JLineSnkr Says the person who didn't make it to the end of the video. Audiophiles are just like fundamentalists, its either their uninformed opinion or you're "one of them". Black/white thinking, the only ways audiophiles understand the world around them.
@JLineSnkr Nice circle jerk by the audiophiles. Pity they missed the bit at the end of the video where I mention I own many different brands of system.
The reality is that Bose is a marketing company that sells audio gear. Not a audio company that markets their products. They spend more time and money in developing their marketing then engineering. It's very effective, no doubt. But it's no reflection on their products being better then their competition. They are one of the best at using smoke and mirrors to woo the consumer. Ii used to sell the stuff but never cared for it. i'd sell it day in day out. Why? High Profit. That's it nothing else.
There is too much "Bose sucks" and "Bose is great" tripe. As is often the case with polarized claims, the truth is somewhere in the middle. The stuff can sound okay for what it is--compact entertainment entertainment toys. But it IS overpriced and doesn't hold up well compared to much of it's competition.
I find it odd that people who love Bose are looking up Bose sucks videos :) But anyways 2 comments. 1. If Bose is superior why cant you ever compare them in stores? They are always stashed in the corner by themselves so you cant have a proper comparison demo. 2. I think people have bad outlooks on audiophiles cause they are very opinionated on their taste of music. That's not a bad thing. The bad thing is people claim to know audio and they dont even know what lossless is.
1) There is a century of a difference between untreated paper & treated paper.
2) Cheap plastic enclosures that reverberate like crazy
3) Very very wrong diameter diaphragms for the drivers on the cubes & they are not really a properly functioning linear array either. The excursion limits (hardly any) are not enough for the diaphragm size to be warranted as a proper full range driver either.
proves that noobs loving bose really have no CLUE about audio !
And bose is good for people that dont want big bulky speakers like me but still can sound just as big and blends into there home interior which is why they sell so well. Because they try to make everything work together seamlessly without hassle. Bose has a more lifelike sound like they advertise if set up properly.
Ok just for everyone's info i have a point of reference of other audio systems. I have had paradigm speakers with an adcom component system that cost as much as the system i just upgraded to the bose acoustimass 10 5.1 home theater system. I absolutely love it and everybody can say what they want i spent 1500 on this system with the onkyo tx-nr509 receiver and i chose bose again. Bose is the most respected name in sound because they have technology others dont making small things sound big.
NEver having had a Klipsch or other high end speakers or even heard them I cannot judge for that, however I did get the chance to test a Bose headphone and Bose soundsystem with a simple test CD. This test CD has 5 second audio files on there ranging from 20 Hz to 20kHz. Both the headphone (IE2 & OE2) and the Lifestyle V35 can display all files and I can hear them as well. I am not saying something about the actual listening experience, but about the myth that it stops at 40Hz and 15 kHz
@ipattyjoris Just curious, could you actually hear the files above 16 kHz without adjusting the volume? If so then you are probably young and have very acute hearing or the files above 16 kHz weren't really that high of a frequency. Most humans past a certain age (particularly those past 30) can't hear frequencies over 16 kHz. I'm 18 and took a hearing test and could only hear up to 18 kHz using audiophile quality headphones.
This video is right, but like people say, for roughly 4000-6000 dollars, you can get much, much better. For example high end krix or dali would poooh all over them.
@icoholic, point me to where you can study a degree to become an accredited audiophile please. People who know audio, know that audiophiles are pseudoscientific morons.
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@scottrp1983 lol, just listen to your arrogant self, claiming that you represent the "audio world". It's pitiful how you repeat the same erroneous arguments. clearly you haven't watched the video to the end. But hey, facts don't really matter to people with low self esteem like yourself, claiming to know what other people think.
Tone deaf Bose buyers are like GM buyers, they don't know shit about the product, they just feel comfortable with the brand name. Gee I wonder if that's why Bose makes audio components for GM cars???
@Mrphatbastard1 Are they tone-deaf, like NASA and the military too? Because Bose supplies to them too. Once again, you prove the point that bose haters have no clue what Bose actually does.
Oh suck my shoes !.......you think the military buys bose noise cancelling headphones or speakers to listen to music.....no......to listen to "High End Music" like music lovers or studio engineers would?
NASA...........yeah, they buys speakers and headphones to listen & sample recordings all day right?
Are you really that desperate to prove bose makes good stuff?......if yes, then these are really the sort of arguments a ignorant person would put forth !
Bose engineers don't understand detail or staging. Their speakers are all very linear in their presentation of music. I have listened to countless Bose systems and tried to find an amp that will make the sound decent. Just wasting my time.
Blasting "audiophiles" because most of them agree Bose makes substandard products for music isn't really fair. That'd be like crapping on Chefs because they think White Castle makes terrible burgers, which they do.
@icoholic Another audiophile claiming that bose engineers don't understand their field of expertise with no proof. If you don't like the sound, that's your taste, its got nothing to do with the ability of the engineers.
Secondly, audiophiles are generally deluded and arrogant about their belief that they can hear better than everyone else on the planet.
Audiophiles hate bose, because most are ill-informed, unscientific circle-jerking sheep.
@MrBosesucks Well you proved my point that Bose folks are of a lesser intelligence than the rest of us with your name calling tirade. I can't believe you have to be so aggressive to justify your purchase.
@icoholic You had a point? If you actually watch the video to the end, you will realise that I am not "bose folk". Your problem is with your audiohphile black / white thinking that has brainwashed you into believing you know what's best for everyone. Also, I have a life thank you very much.
@icoholic Audiophiles are NOT Chefs. Chefs have to work hard to achieve what they achieve, they have to pass taste tests and actualy have to do something to get where they are. Anyone can be an audiophile - all you have to do is arrogantly believe that your taste in hifi is better than everyone elses. Your analogy fails spectacularily.
@MrBosesucks Weird, I though the people that designed and built audio were audiophiles in a lot of cases. I think those folks have to train hard. I know I did. Again, you're very simple in your approach.
For people that always complain about how cheap the Bose speakers are made, can u please explain to me how such a cheap made speaker can outlast almost any brand on the market? I have a set of Bose speakers I bought from my boss that are over 15 years old and still sound like I just bought them. I do agree that Bose prices are crazy but there's just something about their durability that can't be denied!!
Ha ha............15 years is no big deal. That is not even old. I have a set of Panasonics made in 1958. Yeah, 52 years old & they still work good, does it mean they are high quality ?...No, they sound bad compared to high quality speakers.
A high end, high performance product is judged by the way it performs, not how long it survives or keeps the paint job etc.
PLEASE DO NOT BUY BOSE!! You are paying for the ADVERTISING! As an engineer I can attest to the "trickery" used in their designs. Cheap paper cone speakers (no domes for tweeters) and small efficient amps. The head units don't offer lossless audio codecs nor do they offer any upconversion that looks reasonable. Please dont spend $4000 when you can purchase a decent Onkyo or Rotel receiver, Pioneer Elite Blu Ray, and B&W speakers for much less that will blow this away!
i dont hate bose but i have noticed they're not really interested so much in sound quality just getting quite a lot of undistorted volume and bass out of tiny speakers.
Although i do think the noise canceling headphones are good, but for the same price you could go Sennheiser and get some that dont cancel noise but will sound a lot better e.g. HD 600 or 650
Why don't high-end brands advertise on TV then? Despite all complaints and criticisms Bose Corporation is a now a billion-dollar company and still going. We're wasting our time arguing here.
I rarely comment on videos but this video is fucking stupid. The only good point in the video is that it is true that a paper driver does NOT mean a shitty driver. But Bose can't engineer one that sounds worth a damn. All the other points are just typical of a closed-minded Bose owner. Anyone who truly knows what good audio is and the way it works knows why Bose sucks. If you want to spend hundreds of dollars for speakers that use a 5 cent capacitor on the tweeter and call it done, go ahead.
listening to this on a bose system lol
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....from my experience, most people I've met have never heard, or even heard of, the brands "audiophiles" say are better. Their only reference is cheap stuff that Bose will sound better than (Bose is not the worst brand out there, BTW). So maybe it's not that audiophiles have better hearing. It's more like audiophiles have heard more audio brands than most people have because they take the time to seek them out, and through comparing these brands to Bose, they've found there's better than Bose.
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tomatoflamers2112 2 days ago
Also, after reading through several of your comments, you seem to have a firm belief that every person who hates on Bose simply thinks they have "better hearing than everyone else." This implies that every single person who likes/owns Bose has heard speakers from every audio brand in existence, and through using their ears, they have chosen Bose.
This is very unlikely. As there's thousands of audio brands out there, and not even the most extreme audiophiles have heard every single one......
tomatoflamers2112 2 days ago
....and even if someone does have all the things you mentioned, if they're not allowed to look in audio magazines, do research on the internet, look ad advertisements, or ask people who could simply suggest some audio brands to check out (which I as an audio enthusiast would do), how are they to expand their mind to other possibilities? It seems like your advice would only limit people to brands they already know about....
tomatoflamers2112 4 days ago
Your advice on how to be buy audio equipment is odd. What if someone has a bad taste in muse? Or doesn't like music, but likes movies and wants to buy a home theater system? What if someone only has one functioning ear, but can hear out of the other perfectly? What if someone doesn't have money in a bank account, but instead has money in their wallet, or a briefcase, or a shoebox, or a tupperware container they brought to the dealer? Are they going to have a hard time buying audio equipment?
tomatoflamers2112 4 days ago
I am an audiophile and bose is absolute crap for what they charge.
gwapedo 1 week ago 2
I bought a pair of Bose QuietComfort 15 headphones from BestBuy. Two days later, I heard a rattling sound in the left earcup so I immediately returned it for a new pair. The second pair lasted about a month and the sound completely left the left earcup of this pair so I had to send this direct to Bose and they promptly sent me another pair.
So far, so good.
I LOVE the technology; it really eliminates background noise better than any other noise-cancelling can. But the workmanship IS cheap.
ArianWhite 1 week ago
people are willing to pay for the name, and they don't think they need any comparison because of bose's extensive advertising.
GeneralPepsi17 2 weeks ago
bitterly overpriced shit equiptment
MRDRBIGHIFI 1 month ago
as an AV contractor, ive been looking at the same bose lifestyles systems for 10 years. just now did they catch up with the hdmi times. my lifestyles system is packed in its box waiting for a relative to ask for audio, and my onkyo (yes i said it) is taking its place. i even prefer onkyo's stock speakers over bose's cubes. ive dealt with tons of manufacturers, bose being very very very low on my list of suggestions to customers.
kisskissgregggregg 1 month ago
i bought a pair of celetions for 100 bucks, take that bose.
zacefros1 1 month ago
B & W 5.1 is jusamazing. I got the whole system in 2007 for the whole 5.1 satellite system with ROTEL DVD player and AMPLIFIER for only HK $12,800. While at the same time before purchase, I was considering the BOSE 5.1 and even the 2.1. I am still fully grateful that I had chosen the B & W system, the sound is just so clear and GENUINE, the bass(I am a bass lover) is fantastic for such UNDER-PRICED system. ^^
davidleebodhi 1 month ago 2
ALso, I really would tend not to consider BOSE products. I will test them for there is a BOSE store below where Iive. Honestly speaking, my HK$550 SONY headphones do sound better than the BOSE QC 2. The ear cushion of my QC 2 is peeing off n less than 2 years and the cushion becomes thinner and external sound can come in and can no longer isolate much sound after all. I bouAUDIO TEHCHNICA for my friend the B version and it is really WORTH it and better than the BOSE QC2 latest version one.
davidleebodhi 1 month ago
Well, I agree with you in many ways. One differenceis that bose sounds good is because i has crated wider soundstage and thus sounds more lively, but in fact it is an illusion in some ways. I personally loves to listen to music "IN the music", in oteh wor, be surrounded b music. If one really spends time in comparing with other different brands of speakers like DALI, B & W speakers, media speaks, headphones(which I own), you will notice BOSE SOUND is lack of depth and it really isOVER PRICED.
davidleebodhi 1 month ago
You work for Bose don't you? I'd had Bose in three vehicles. In the first two cars the head unit when bad after a couple of years. The Bose in my Mazda3 still works (probably because it doesn't have a Bose head unit) it just sounds like shit.
SuperTongpo 1 month ago
I think you would have to be pretty ignorant to say BOSE is the best sounding equipment "BUT"it certainly doesn't mead that it is bad I use both. In my bedroom I have an old acoustimass 25. living-room a combination of onkyo amp7.2 magnat 903'S as front speakers. Sub is a canton as50 And Bose jewel cubes for front and rear surround and they sound spectacular
kalosanin2 1 month ago
I realize I'm likely wasting my time with this comment, but here goes: Bose is entry-level gear. Bose's relentless media campaign is aimed solely at unsophisticated listeners. Clearly, the media blitz has been effective; witness my neighbor who, when I mentioned to him the other day that I'd upgraded my home stereo system, uttered just one word: "Bose?" Ugh. One can pay 1/4 the price of Bose for a system that sounds as good or better. Just please don't confuse that with "high fidelity."
justfmax 2 months ago 2
@justfmax couldnt agree more
67mustangshelbygt 4 weeks ago
wow what a dipshit this guy is making a video like this. hey asian shit, do you fuck your bose speaker more than you wife? your wife probably left you for a black dude with a bigger... much bigger dick.
xterminator069 2 months ago
my companion 5s sound like 0:52... fucking rip off, 5.1 channel surround sound BULLSHIT, these things cost $600 aud FUCK THAT!!! im returning them asap
bitchtits690 2 months ago
my $20 tdk mt300s sound better than the companion 5s...
bitchtits690 2 months ago
We can all agree on one thing...beats are the worst.
nrwasupp82 2 months ago
You people are crazy and have no ear. Do a side by side of the $300 bose headphones, and the $100 audio technica ath 50... The AT literally DESTROYS them...
clearlynotstefan 2 months ago
ok, from watching this video, while wearing bose headphones, I can say the following
I actually test my stuff before I keep it, I did 3 songs with bose headphones that fully test any headphone set completely.
what did I find, you ask?
my new bose headphones improved the songs so much that I heard stuff that I never heard in the song before, many new background sounds that were always there that I didn't really hear that well.
also, it sounded so lifelike, i thought i was in the studio!!!
actionmanatee 2 months ago
@actionmanatee so next time you try to bash on bose, take it from me that they make a top-notch product!
actionmanatee 2 months ago
@actionmanatee what other headphones did you listen too?
67mustangshelbygt 4 weeks ago
i use one of the old acoustimass models with a marantz 2270 and it sounds great but bose's new stuff is overpriced. i can buy a pair of sony XB700's for $140 and they sound, feal, and look better than your $300 Quiet comforts. + they are partnered with apple so i dislike, 2 overpriced companies? no thanks. classic audio is where its at. the marantz puts out a better sound better than anything ive heard yet. 90's bose=YEAH new bose=NO.... 70's receivers=YES!
805313 2 months ago
are you trolling? is at 0:37 the actual sound of bose?
tHeSiLvErHuNk 2 months ago
@BlackCherryAudio Explain to us all with your mighty intelligence how being able to trial a bose product in your own home for 30 days is deceptive. Hint: Don't embarass yourself.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks It's not deceptive. Bose sells many more speakers offering a 30 day return. It's a good business decision because Bose is well aware that once someone gets a system home and all set up a customer is highly unlikely to return them, especially in 30 days. It's psychology. I've had it with your nonsense. Good bye and Good sound to you.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks It's deceptive because people are more likely to buy it, feeling more confident as a result of the trial policy, and they very rarely return items whether they are satisfied or not.
Remember the Danoz direct teeth whiteners and what not with the 30 day money back policy? These had low return policies too. Not that Bose has the same kind of trash on offer but the marketing technique itself is incredible deceptive...
mclenale 3 months ago
@mclenale low return rates*
mclenale 3 months ago
@BlackCherryAudio 1. Your gf works in collection, as opposed to sales, so she never even meets the customers that keep their products. Is that plain english enough for you? Or are you going to prove your stupidity by replying with another comment that attempts to hide the fact that you are paranoid about anyone who says anyng marginally positive about bose?
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks Once again you give the dodge. Apparently you completely missed my statement earlier that was marginally positive about Bose. You are correct that she didn't meet any satisfied customers, however units sold and units returned does not tell you anything about the satisfaction of those who keep their systems. Many times people buy equipment and in a few months decide they don't like it, buy something else. There seems to be more negative than positive reviews on the net.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago 2
@BlackCherryAudio, You created the dichotomy in the first place - read your own comments! Bose sales figures are not a dichotomy - its called evidence. Derp, if your gf workedin collections, she would never even meet a single bose customer who kept their product - talk about bias. Only 1/5 deliquent account at the collection stage? thats a great stat. Just proves you have no clue what you are talking about!
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks Is English your second language because you have terrible comprehension skills. Again, about 20 percent of purchasers through Bose credit would default because of dissatisfaction. The other 80% I assume couldn't or didn't want to pay. That is not good. You are the one who is clueless. Default because of customer dispute is typically 5% or less for a healthy company.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks Paranoid schizophrenia? Are you fucking serious? You are ignorant beyond belief. I AGREE with you about the pseudoscience that props up audiophiles and obscenely expensive systems. People spending thousands on shit that makes no difference. Speakers make a difference, and those differences can be heard and measured. Bose is one of the WORST values in audio speakers. You are a liar, fucktard. Hope they are paying you well.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago
@BlackCherryAudio Nice try, but you claimed I work for / represent bose - this is part of your paranoia. You can't believe someone who's never worked for bose, would create a balanced video about bose. You need to work on your integrity - something that all audiophiles can learn about.
All of you arrogant morons ignore the countless double blind tests where "audiophiles" couldnt even tell the difference between cassette tape and CD!!!!
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks Accusing you of being paid is not paranoia. You posted this video over a year ago and you still spend time arguing and insulting people here. If you're not getting paid for being a Bose shill then you are the nut job. As for me being an Audiophile, I'm not. Like I said, boutique amps, exotic cables, ect. are rip offs. The most important part of a system besides the source is the speakers and Bose speakers are inferior to most of their competitors.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago
@BlackCherryAudio Yes it is. You think the only way someone can challenge anti-bose audiophiles is if they're paid or nuts. Well schizoid, I'm neither, so start dealing with reality, instead of making excuses for your terrible judgement and opinions. You claim Bose speakers are inferior, but that's your opinion, doesnt make it universally true. If anything, your wild accusations about me being paid show that you have an anti-bose bias, and your opinion isn't to be trusted.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks paid or nuts is a logical fallacy called False Dichotomy. Exactly the same fallacy you commit in the video when you say that since Bose sells so many units with so little returns that they can't be poor quality. My GF worked for 5 years at Bose in the collections department. 1 out of every 5 accounts were delinquent because of a dispute with the company. They felt ripped off. She quit because she couldn't take the abuse from pissed customers anymore.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks 21st Century Schizoid man again. I never said it was universally true.Once again you appear disconnected from reality. You have made numerous assumptions about me that are dead wrong. You can do worse than Bose, however, if you actually want to hear all of the source material as it was intended, Bose doesn't cut it. Any company who refuses to release even basic specs, is overly litigious, and misrepresents its product is not a trustworthy company.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks You have demonstrated that your opinion is not only biased, but rigid and dogmatic. You have chosen to ignore or dismiss all objectivity when it comes to the reality of the quality, or lack thereof, Bose speakers. M&K should have sued Bose out of existence in the 80's when they claimed in a massive marketing blitz that misrepresented them as inventors of the Sub/Satallite system. They were close to being history then.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks As far as ignoring double blind testing, I would ignore any testing that WASN''T double blind as that is the gold standard for uncovering the Audiophile myths. People can't hear the difference between red book cds and SACD, A certain cheap Pioneer amp can outperform a Levinson.
Your video is not balanced. It is full of logically fallacy like argumentum ad populum and strawman.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@MrBosesucks As far as integrity, deceptively naming a pro Bose propaganda video Bose Sucks and your user name prove that you will resort to lies instead of facts to advance your agenda. You present no facts that establish Bose doesn't suck, just bullshit in this video. I would debunk it point by point but I have spent enough time debating with someone who has no ability to be objective when it comes to Bose speakers.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@BlackCherryAudio You talk a lot, but I see no debunking in your comment. if you have some actual substance to back up your point of view, you're welcome to present it.
Accusing me of "lying" is rather ridiculous, considering you can't even highlight a single lie in this video. Just like all audiophiles, your're content with being paranoid when it comes to a video that exposes how baseless, weak and thin, audiophiles criticism of bose actually is.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks A counter video that will debunk every single statement you make in the video will be produced post haste. It is not possible with the character limitations to properly support WITH EVIDENCE my case. You provide evidence that paper cones can be excellent if properly made however what you cited only addresses paper cones for bass and mid-range. They can be excellent for tweeters as well but I'm talking ScanSpeak or similar. Not the shite that Bose uses.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks You use deceptive tactics like extreme frequency filtering which in no way resembles real life performance of any speaker of the type we are discussing and claim that is what critics say Bose sounds like. That is deceptive. (Lying). You also dumb down the actual criticism so that use can simpleton, ignorant, logical fallacies to artificially prop up your side of the argument.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago
@BlackCherryAudio Try making some valid arguments for your opinion instead of trite faux-analysis.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBoseSucks You can go to school and learn to listen better. You can read Bob Katz book Mastering Audio. Chapter three addresses the most important element of all, the ear — or more accurately, how to train and use it. Katz also sets seven specific ear-training exercises in this chapter, all trivial and easy given a little effort, yet these are crucially fundamental skills for anyone interested in improving their hearing acuity in the context of recording or mastering music.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago
@BlackCherryAudio Thanks for your advice. Its funny because I own that book. And i'm struggling to find the bit where it says bose sucks.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBoseSucks Your deception such as your username and the way your video is named and presented is in lock step with Bose Corp. marketing. You have supplied zero objective evidence of any of your claims about Bose. Why don't other speaker companies offer a 30 day try out? What do they have to hide? Probably nothing. Bose can afford to do it because they have been fleecing customers for decades. There are several dealers in my area that allow home auditions of any brand of speaker they carry.
BlackCherryAudio 3 months ago
@BlackCherryAudio I suggest getting yourself checked into a psychiatric hospital, paranoia is a symptom of schizophrenia. One of the other features of this disease is believing that you can hear things that aren't really there. Makes perfect sense.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
Audiophiles don't have better hearing than anyone. The only thing that they do better is pay attention to frequencies that the average person doesn't. Do you thing the average person listening for 60hz? Not really. Plus they take the time to study what is sound and what are its components. But since my last question as still gone unchallenged someone answer me this. (care to answer?) Why is Bose never found in a high end retailer with some of the best brands like Dali, Wilsons, or Martin Logan
67mustangshelbygt 3 months ago 3
@67mustangshelbygt Read your first two sentences. Now slap yourself.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks I still stand by what I said...they don't hear any better than we do. They take the time to educate themselves and know how to break down the specifics. They know what speakers will sound best in a given situation. Now I have a feeling that you haven't taken the time to research and what is audio and its many components. Yet you have the audacity to call names and bash others. PLUS you still wont answer the questions I have already asked... FAIL!!
67mustangshelbygt 3 months ago 5
Bose are the best at marketing and that's it. The speakers can't even produce sound past 13k. Waste of money, Bloody Ordinary Sounding Equipment.
azzat80 3 months ago 10
@azzat80 Come back to me when you're tried to market a crap product.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@azzat80 actually, my pair of bose headphones went from 20hz to near 20,000 khz
actionmanatee 2 months ago
i@gree i have the 1000pounds waveguide system my lord what a mistake good job i only paid the postage hahah fuck you bose after hearing your systems it must be old men in white jackets behind this awfull bose sound.they spend millions on advertising and thier products are terrible listen folks keep away from bose.bose have to seriously sort thier sound out,my goodness if these are the guys who are helping nasa with thier products no wonder itl take 10.000years to get to maaaars.
amr7037 3 months ago
I have two Bose 301 series 1 speakers, from the 70s. You'd expect them to be at least half decent given the size of their woofer cones (8"), but due to the size of the cabinet, they are woefully inadequate with bass or anything below about 90Hz. They also over-emphasize the upper-mids and treble. They're handy to mix with, however, because I can get an idea how my mixes sound on terrible speakers. If I could afford better I'd do so in a heartbeat.
Satlam 3 months ago
When we say "No highs, no lows", we are referring to the fact that 1) Those shitty paper cones cant reproduce frequencies above 4k accurately, and in fact roll off most frequencies above 15k to over 3-4dB. What does this mean? You get highs yes, but not all of the high frequencies. You're missing alot of audible information. When we say no lows, the subwoofer module can't even play a proper 20hz note, producing the frequency without impact.
sunsetsniper 3 months ago
@sunsetsniper Let's be clear for a second, you're chatting shit. If you think paper can't reproduce frequencies over 4k properly, you need to get your brain and hearing checked. Something I would recommend to all people who call themselves audiophiles.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks Thats easy to counter.....Dali Loudspeakers cones are made from paper and wood and can hit 40k at 3 db......
67mustangshelbygt 3 months ago
BOSE=BULLSHIT
peter455sd 4 months ago
Eveybody's entitled to their opinion... i've heard Bose..i know people who have Bose but luckily i am not one of those.
And you, MrBosesucks, have my condolances.
MelleTwaklapper 4 months ago 4
@MelleTwaklapper You say "Everybody's entitled to their opinion" - so don't feel sorry for mine you hypocrital retard.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks
You can go fuck yourself and your shitty bose stuff.
If I had some milk packaging and some shitty speakers...it still would sound better than bose.
Even an old speaker in my grandma's old shoe would sound better than bose.
You fucking sound NOOB.
now piss off and let me enjoy my Tannoy
You sick Pissfinger.
MelleTwaklapper 3 months ago 2
@MelleTwaklapper Nobody is stopping you from enjoying yout Tannoy. Its people like you who can't leave people who have bose alone. After all, you're the one who commented on my video.
Your immature raviings are another example of how fundaMentalist you audiophiles are.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks
You asked for comments at the end of the video....it's like feeding a fire with gasoline. Normally i could not care less what other people have.. Why did you make the video in the first place eh? You could have just left it be and enjoy your Bose....I'm getting the feeling you have been buttfucked by an audiophile and it still hurts.
MelleTwaklapper 3 months ago
@MelleTwaklapper You obviously care enough about this video to comment on it. You could have just let is be but you decide to comment. Don't worry I'm used to hypocrasy of audiophiles.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks
I'll leave it be after this..You call everybody else an ignorant audiophile, yet you don't see yourself as one.
But you're ranting against everybody defending your Bose. You're just the same as everybody else only you bought Bose and others were smarter than that and THAT my friend, has got to hurt. The best of luck to you and you expensive sheit.
MelleTwaklapper 3 months ago 2
@MelleTwaklapper Well said!!
67mustangshelbygt 3 months ago
@MelleTwaklapper What model Tannoys do you have...love those speakers
67mustangshelbygt 3 months ago
@67mustangshelbygt
For hifi i use two Tannoy's M2.5 powered with Rotel. I use two Msub10 too, very suttle. It's the sound i like :-)
MelleTwaklapper 3 months ago 2
@MelleTwaklapper That is a sweet set up nice...I have Rotel and B&W 805's. I love the warmth of English speakers
67mustangshelbygt 3 months ago
This seems like a video from somebody affliated directly with Bose. He hides the main points behind more subjective ones. I will start who says who says " No midrange". Bose has some midrange say from 600Hz to 3000Hz but no arguing about " No Highs No Lows, it must be BOSE". Since the length of my response is limited Please read : intellexual net/bose html
MrSaurabhagarwal 4 months ago
I have the Acoustimass 5 and I can attest that it sounds BAD. Bass is muddy, and there's NO tweeters in the satellite speakers. The worst thing is that the mid-range comes out of the Acoustimass 'woofer'. SO...you get mid-range coming out of the corner of your room and none from anywhere else. It's a strange sensation, almost like somethings wrong with your ears.
rojman123 4 months ago 2
bose headphones are good, but the systems suck ass.
DubstepPromos 4 months ago
@DubstepPromos Some people say the opposite. Audiophiles (people who think their hearing is better than everyone elses) really need to make their minds up if they actually want people to believe their opinions.
MrBosesucks 4 months ago
@MrBosesucks You're using the word "Audiophiles" much and i don't like it. If someone told you that Bose sucks and claimed to be an Audiophile most likely could be more of Car Audio guy. That's because Audiophiles not only they wont call Bose Crap but i will be surprised if they even know such low budget mass production products that are widely available to your local walmart like Bose and the other Hundreds.
If you start blaming Audiophiles for Bose Hate,at least learn first who they are.
truebassB 3 months ago
@truebassB We know exactly who audiophiles are - they're arrogant people who think they can hear better than everyone else. They constantly argue with the fact that people buy system becuase they sound good to them. Show them sales figures and they will start talking about marketing and other bullshit. People buy and keep stuff because they like it. Audiohphiles need to deal with this sh*t called reality, or shut the f up.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks Also Bose sells products that aren't even in the range of interest of an Audiophile. An Audiophile doesn't care for complete systems such as 2.1 and 5.1,an Audiophile and specially on low budget will exclusively prefer a Pair of speakers like ATC,Proac.Quad,etc over a 2.1-5.1 commercial speaker set,and on higher Categories from Horn Speakers to normal 2-way speakers that costs thousands.
So to be clear,don't blame Audiophiles for the hate,because Bose ISN'T EVEN at their Eye-Sight!
truebassB 3 months ago
@truebassB Correct, audiophiles are not interested in sound.They're interested in bragging to everyone about how good their hearing is and how crap everyone who buys a system less than $500 is.
That's all they're good for. if you want a buy a system that sounds good you you, ignore audiophiles and trust your ears. Audiophiles don't want you to do this and this is why they collect here for your amusement.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks I heard and respected your point of view,but don't expect me to also agree,as i don't expect you to agree with me.
truebassB 3 months ago
@truebassB We'll agree to disagree then ;)
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks I don't find a Bose Hater better than Bose Fan by the way,those are childish things for illiterate people who think that all the rest of the people regardless taste must follow their own likes. Everyone should suck it up and if they are indeed smart they better do what they think it's smart too.
Reminds me of me cruising in a big ass SUV seeing the others in Aveos,each other say who gives a shit what the other does as far as me or the other guy does what he thinks it's best.
truebassB 3 months ago
@truebassB Well said, bose haters are like a community of retards that try to one-up each other by recommending average products to each other that have ever increasing price tags.
They think because I defend bose, I must only love bose, but they don't realise that I own many different systems from many different manufacturers and they all have uniquely good sounds.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
Phil Spector, please recreate the wall of sound in the comfort of my living room.
Domino014 4 months ago
BOSE is only good if you can get the system, and spend $30k on sound engineering including labor and parts to turn your living room into an acoustic piece of art. THEN it's worth the money (not the 30k. the original few thousands)
XLR8OR100 4 months ago
Bose products aren't HORRIBLE. You could buy worse sounding equipment. Of course, for the same (or usually 1/2 to 1/3 as much) money you can get similar or (more often) much better performance. But they will always outsell all other audio companies combined simply because they have perfected just the right combination of diabolically clever mass marketing, ridiculously dumbed-down ease of use, and sleek compact pretty form factor...because hey, let's face it, most people are lazy and stupid.
Edsta922 4 months ago
@Edsta922 all true... most of those in the know, and not being paid to gloat for Bose, know that it is 'ok' sounding stuff and probably better than that $200 sony system you buy at dept stores all over the world. it's the false advertising and misleading consumers into thinking they are getting a good VALUE and even worse getting the best available.
audioProLA 4 months ago
@audioProLA yep, Bose pretty much gives you a Hyundai with a Lexus pricetag, while telling you that you've just bought a Mercedes.
Edsta922 4 months ago
@Edsta922 yes, for the money one can buy an Onkyo home-theater-in-a-box and get a comparable, if not better, sound system.
indiesongaday 4 months ago
Bose is like Monster. They sell ok stuff but it's hugely overpriced. Just like you can get better headphones than Beats for half the price, you can get better audio equipment than Bose for half the price.
audioProLA 4 months ago
your understanding of audiophiles is way off base. it's not about taste, it's about education. NOT marketing and gimmicks. walk into any decent hifi store and you'd be lucky to find Bose. if they have it, it's just because some people walk in and INSIST on buying it. they'd rather sell something than turn away business. Most of what BestBuy sells is consumer level and this includes Bose and Beats. Lowest common denominator, designed to turn off the least number of people, like Bud Light.
audioProLA 4 months ago
I'm guessing many of the Bose apologists are in this situation: They bought Bose speakers because they heard they were the best. They saw this vid. People say they got ripped-off, manipulated, etc. They feel bad, understandably. So they rationalize. Bose defenders: Don't feel bad. It's OK. It happens to the smartest of people (like my Dad). Enjoy the music/sounds. One's happiness is not (or shouldn't be) determined by speakers. But next time, avoid Bose! You won't regret joining the "club"....
izationalizer 4 months ago 2
Checked out 150$ Bose headphones, pretty shitty design. They look and feel like 10$ headphones you would on some shady market. Compared them to 50$ JVCs laying nearby in the store, both have a decent base but JVC's sounded more crisp and clear. This vid was made by a lamo who just feels bad about owning some crappy Bose product. If you were truly happy with your product, you wouldn't care about what people say, nor would you spend time making this vid with feeble points...
69gothix69 4 months ago 2
Actually you can say that Bose is way overpriced from the stand point of comparing, cost to manufacture compared retail. I am willing to bet that Bose uses some of the cheapest materials to manufacture there products. So in fact there are overpriced! I would agree that Bose may not be the worst product but still are not all that good ether! Also simple fact is that Bose systems do not have much flexibility so this makes other brands a better buy as well as better sounding.
moritzdave 4 months ago
next time buy an original product
beepinjeetun 5 months ago
next time buy an original product
beepinjeetun 5 months ago
A bose fanboy in disguise? Really? I don't think bose is the worst, they certainly are not the worst sounding headphone manufacturer....but regardless of the sound the produce, which is rather mid tier, they are very expensive.
AlteredVisionz 5 months ago
Idk about people but my Bose Companion 3 sounds awesome! Build quality is really good for the price
chltmdwp 5 months ago
MrBoseSucks is an BOSE-OPHILE
JLineSnkr 5 months ago 17
@JLineSnkr Says the person who didn't make it to the end of the video. Audiophiles are just like fundamentalists, its either their uninformed opinion or you're "one of them". Black/white thinking, the only ways audiophiles understand the world around them.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
So you admit audiophiles are retarded, thank you.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
@MrBosesucks Wow you posted 3 nasty replies to my comment that you are a BOSE-OPHILE.
That was a compliment. I'm hurt, you would have thought I called you a clown!
JLineSnkr 3 months ago 14
@JLineSnkr Nice circle jerk by the audiophiles. Pity they missed the bit at the end of the video where I mention I own many different brands of system.
MrBosesucks 3 months ago
The reality is that Bose is a marketing company that sells audio gear. Not a audio company that markets their products. They spend more time and money in developing their marketing then engineering. It's very effective, no doubt. But it's no reflection on their products being better then their competition. They are one of the best at using smoke and mirrors to woo the consumer. Ii used to sell the stuff but never cared for it. i'd sell it day in day out. Why? High Profit. That's it nothing else.
kschafer68 5 months ago
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There is too much "Bose sucks" and "Bose is great" tripe. As is often the case with polarized claims, the truth is somewhere in the middle. The stuff can sound okay for what it is--compact entertainment entertainment toys. But it IS overpriced and doesn't hold up well compared to much of it's competition.
socksumi 5 months ago
I find it odd that people who love Bose are looking up Bose sucks videos :) But anyways 2 comments. 1. If Bose is superior why cant you ever compare them in stores? They are always stashed in the corner by themselves so you cant have a proper comparison demo. 2. I think people have bad outlooks on audiophiles cause they are very opinionated on their taste of music. That's not a bad thing. The bad thing is people claim to know audio and they dont even know what lossless is.
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67mustangshelbygt 5 months ago
@prodigytechus pork n beans!!
bkd2117 5 months ago
Ha ha ha ............
1) There is a century of a difference between untreated paper & treated paper.
2) Cheap plastic enclosures that reverberate like crazy
3) Very very wrong diameter diaphragms for the drivers on the cubes & they are not really a properly functioning linear array either. The excursion limits (hardly any) are not enough for the diaphragm size to be warranted as a proper full range driver either.
proves that noobs loving bose really have no CLUE about audio !
prodigytechus 5 months ago
I listened to this video with Bose speakers.
Crazydogzep 5 months ago
And bose is good for people that dont want big bulky speakers like me but still can sound just as big and blends into there home interior which is why they sell so well. Because they try to make everything work together seamlessly without hassle. Bose has a more lifelike sound like they advertise if set up properly.
restlessamw 5 months ago
Ok just for everyone's info i have a point of reference of other audio systems. I have had paradigm speakers with an adcom component system that cost as much as the system i just upgraded to the bose acoustimass 10 5.1 home theater system. I absolutely love it and everybody can say what they want i spent 1500 on this system with the onkyo tx-nr509 receiver and i chose bose again. Bose is the most respected name in sound because they have technology others dont making small things sound big.
restlessamw 5 months ago
ha ha ha poor man bose is beast and youre video sounds amazeing on my bose ear buds
The145shawn 5 months ago
NEver having had a Klipsch or other high end speakers or even heard them I cannot judge for that, however I did get the chance to test a Bose headphone and Bose soundsystem with a simple test CD. This test CD has 5 second audio files on there ranging from 20 Hz to 20kHz. Both the headphone (IE2 & OE2) and the Lifestyle V35 can display all files and I can hear them as well. I am not saying something about the actual listening experience, but about the myth that it stops at 40Hz and 15 kHz
ipattyjoris 6 months ago
@ipattyjoris Just curious, could you actually hear the files above 16 kHz without adjusting the volume? If so then you are probably young and have very acute hearing or the files above 16 kHz weren't really that high of a frequency. Most humans past a certain age (particularly those past 30) can't hear frequencies over 16 kHz. I'm 18 and took a hearing test and could only hear up to 18 kHz using audiophile quality headphones.
piratemanmatt 5 months ago
This video is right, but like people say, for roughly 4000-6000 dollars, you can get much, much better. For example high end krix or dali would poooh all over them.
Geekman257 6 months ago
@icoholic, point me to where you can study a degree to become an accredited audiophile please. People who know audio, know that audiophiles are pseudoscientific morons.
MrBosesucks 6 months ago
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@scottrp1983 lol, just listen to your arrogant self, claiming that you represent the "audio world". It's pitiful how you repeat the same erroneous arguments. clearly you haven't watched the video to the end. But hey, facts don't really matter to people with low self esteem like yourself, claiming to know what other people think.
MrBosesucks 6 months ago
@MrPhatbastard1 All apple products are made in china. I suppose you arrogant audiophiles think your hearing is better than Chinese people's too
MrBosesucks 6 months ago
@scottrp1983 Bose are at the bank laughing. Correct. Its because they make products people want and value highly. Your point?
MrBosesucks 6 months ago
@MrBosesucks If you want a source that shows scientifically why Bose home theater systems are inferior then I can provide it. I'll have to PM you.
piratemanmatt 6 months ago
@scottrp1983 Another example of an anti-bose fundamentalist. You prove my point quite well with your personal attacks
MrBosesucks 6 months ago
Tone deaf Bose buyers are like GM buyers, they don't know shit about the product, they just feel comfortable with the brand name. Gee I wonder if that's why Bose makes audio components for GM cars???
Mrphatbastard1 6 months ago
@Mrphatbastard1 Are they tone-deaf, like NASA and the military too? Because Bose supplies to them too. Once again, you prove the point that bose haters have no clue what Bose actually does.
MrBosesucks 6 months ago
@MrBosesucks They do have a pretty cool "made in China" clockradio I guess.
Mrphatbastard1 6 months ago
@MrBosesucks
Oh suck my shoes !.......you think the military buys bose noise cancelling headphones or speakers to listen to music.....no......to listen to "High End Music" like music lovers or studio engineers would?
NASA...........yeah, they buys speakers and headphones to listen & sample recordings all day right?
Are you really that desperate to prove bose makes good stuff?......if yes, then these are really the sort of arguments a ignorant person would put forth !
prodigytechus 5 months ago
bose are amazing.
dazky11994 6 months ago
The only thing thats good in this clip is the music - whats the name of it thanks!
8mactube8 6 months ago
@8mactube8 Its called Denial by Airbase. Appropriate.
MrBosesucks 6 months ago
@MrBosesucks Thanks.... At the end if you enjoy that music coming through that speakers - it counts !
8mactube8 6 months ago
Bose engineers don't understand detail or staging. Their speakers are all very linear in their presentation of music. I have listened to countless Bose systems and tried to find an amp that will make the sound decent. Just wasting my time.
Blasting "audiophiles" because most of them agree Bose makes substandard products for music isn't really fair. That'd be like crapping on Chefs because they think White Castle makes terrible burgers, which they do.
Some people just don't hear music well.
icoholic 6 months ago 12
@icoholic Another audiophile claiming that bose engineers don't understand their field of expertise with no proof. If you don't like the sound, that's your taste, its got nothing to do with the ability of the engineers.
Secondly, audiophiles are generally deluded and arrogant about their belief that they can hear better than everyone else on the planet.
Audiophiles hate bose, because most are ill-informed, unscientific circle-jerking sheep.
MrBosesucks 6 months ago
@MrBosesucks Well you proved my point that Bose folks are of a lesser intelligence than the rest of us with your name calling tirade. I can't believe you have to be so aggressive to justify your purchase.
Get a life.
icoholic 6 months ago
@icoholic You had a point? If you actually watch the video to the end, you will realise that I am not "bose folk". Your problem is with your audiohphile black / white thinking that has brainwashed you into believing you know what's best for everyone. Also, I have a life thank you very much.
MrBosesucks 6 months ago
@MrBosesucks I did watch it, you own Bose and it makes you aggressive, congrats. I mentioned no where that I know what's best for everyone.
icoholic 6 months ago
@icoholic Audiophiles are NOT Chefs. Chefs have to work hard to achieve what they achieve, they have to pass taste tests and actualy have to do something to get where they are. Anyone can be an audiophile - all you have to do is arrogantly believe that your taste in hifi is better than everyone elses. Your analogy fails spectacularily.
MrBosesucks 6 months ago
@MrBosesucks Weird, I though the people that designed and built audio were audiophiles in a lot of cases. I think those folks have to train hard. I know I did. Again, you're very simple in your approach.
icoholic 6 months ago
How can a system have no highs, lows or midrange? Does that mean it produces no sound at all?
TimpBizkit 6 months ago
Main reason why I wouldn't own a Bose lifestyle system:
It cannot and will not produce the whole music spectrum.
End of argument -- proven fact.
unm0d3r4t3d 6 months ago
Remove the sub and it sounds awful. Cheap woofers and you are not getting your money' worth
panda5aur 6 months ago
For people that always complain about how cheap the Bose speakers are made, can u please explain to me how such a cheap made speaker can outlast almost any brand on the market? I have a set of Bose speakers I bought from my boss that are over 15 years old and still sound like I just bought them. I do agree that Bose prices are crazy but there's just something about their durability that can't be denied!!
bkd2117 6 months ago
@bkd2117
Ha ha............15 years is no big deal. That is not even old. I have a set of Panasonics made in 1958. Yeah, 52 years old & they still work good, does it mean they are high quality ?...No, they sound bad compared to high quality speakers.
A high end, high performance product is judged by the way it performs, not how long it survives or keeps the paint job etc.
prodigytechus 5 months ago
@bkd2117 You have older bose speakers that are made better. Their newer speakers are no where near the quality they were then
murder00redrum 5 months ago
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PLEASE DO NOT BUY BOSE!! You are paying for the ADVERTISING! As an engineer I can attest to the "trickery" used in their designs. Cheap paper cone speakers (no domes for tweeters) and small efficient amps. The head units don't offer lossless audio codecs nor do they offer any upconversion that looks reasonable. Please dont spend $4000 when you can purchase a decent Onkyo or Rotel receiver, Pioneer Elite Blu Ray, and B&W speakers for much less that will blow this away!
OrganNLou 6 months ago
first of all bose is the number one brand in the world almost and 2 all bose workers are not mean and 3rd your jelouse casue you dont have a bose
mark12130 6 months ago
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meteordealer 6 months ago
Bose don't care about performance, it care about definition
TheBipolarOctopus 6 months ago
That's why 31 likes and 40 dislikes..LOL...
jayson1173 7 months ago
i dont hate bose but i have noticed they're not really interested so much in sound quality just getting quite a lot of undistorted volume and bass out of tiny speakers.
Although i do think the noise canceling headphones are good, but for the same price you could go Sennheiser and get some that dont cancel noise but will sound a lot better e.g. HD 600 or 650
TheJEWSTAINE 7 months ago
Why don't high-end brands advertise on TV then? Despite all complaints and criticisms Bose Corporation is a now a billion-dollar company and still going. We're wasting our time arguing here.
benji191275 7 months ago
@davidglynn7 Hey,I have one.
dukiludub 7 months ago
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ouimetnick 7 months ago
I rarely comment on videos but this video is fucking stupid. The only good point in the video is that it is true that a paper driver does NOT mean a shitty driver. But Bose can't engineer one that sounds worth a damn. All the other points are just typical of a closed-minded Bose owner. Anyone who truly knows what good audio is and the way it works knows why Bose sucks. If you want to spend hundreds of dollars for speakers that use a 5 cent capacitor on the tweeter and call it done, go ahead.
shad0wxcalibur 7 months ago
I have a soundock "as a gift" and I don't like bose.NOOOOO!!!
dukiludub 7 months ago
@dukiludub are you going to sell it
bosewaverocks 6 months ago
@bosewaverocks Wish I could.But im getting beats by dre in the meantime.party and party and yeah!
dukiludub 6 months ago