In John 14:20 he said "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you." NVI. But in the context John is speaking about the Holy Spirit, when a person believes in Jesus then show himself to them, this is said in the next verse "Whoever has my commands and obeys them... and I too will love him and show myself to him.” in 14:23 "we will come to him and make our home with him."
The God of the Bible states that He loves all equally, but this does not indicate why the will enter heaven. Those who reject God and do evil deeds will be judged by this.
His love is unconditional and not have to be earned.
You wrote: "His love is unconditional and not have to be earned."
Question? According to Christianity, does God love those whom He will cast into Hell for enternity unconditionally and the same degree, as he loves those who will be admitted into his presence in Paradise (for enternity)?
@Legend1One Yes God loves this people. The problem is that you assume that God is who put unbelievers into hell, quite the contrary the bible teaches that human being has the responsability to choice their fate.
But what i said is that god loves all human beign no matter what they do, they don't have to make right deeds to get the love of God, that's what the quran said about allah's love
@NomiVoluntad According the Christianity, if (as you say) God loves all human beings no matter what they do, why then is He going to cast the evil doers into a lake of fire for all enternity?
YOU: "The God of the Bible states that He loves all equally"
ME: What?!?!? The Bible clearly states that God loves the Israel above all other nations in the world, and that Israel is His elected or chosen people. In the Bible, God uses Israel to wipe out entire nations time and time again. You are a confused individual who has not READ his Bible. Next time, I suggest you actually read it (the Bible) before you post, so as you don't look like a !%#@ head.
@Legend1One I was preparing a text to answer because it's a great question, but better stay with the doubt, I will not deal with intolerance, if you think that I did not read the Bible, it is your opinion:)
@NomiVoluntad Hey Nomi, I'm glad to learn, from you, that you have in-fact read the Bible... I'll take you at your word on it. With that being said, I possed 3 or 4 question to you all based on your statement: "His (God's) love is unconditional and not have to be earned;" and also, in my questions, I provided Biblical scriptures to confute (your) theisis/claim. I look forward to hearing your answers in a follow up notes.
God's love is unconditional meaning no matter how much a person does sins, God still love him and will not give up on him. The verse you have mentioned does not mean that His love is limited to certain group of people but rather it is saying that whoever seeks Him will earn the Kingdom of Heaven. Christ said in Matthew 9:13 "For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.” Therefore His love is not only limited to those who are righteous but those who are sinners as well.
When Christ was crucified, He did it to sacrifice Himself for all humankind, not only a certain group of people. As for you saying that God loves Israel above all people, no He did not love them above all. He called them people with hardened hearts; they were very strict. He was trying to teach us a lesson through them; He did not give up on them even though their hearts were hardened and away from Him - speaking of unconditional love.
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
So, either YOUR right (Gods love is unconditiona) or Jesus (PBUH) is right (God's love is conditional) Bye the way, who is right you or Jesus (PBUH)?
He assumes and takes for granted the truth of the Qur'an, and talks under the assumption that the Quran is true. Give us one historical reason to believe that the Jesus of the Qur'an is true
Dr. Badawi has given us no reason to believe that Islam and the conception of God (Allah in this case) is true. Just tell us what you think and makes again and again appeals to authority and inspiration of the Koran.
It is extraordinary when he says he can accept the resurrection of Jesus and remain Muslim. How can we show someone who does not accept evidence that one religion is true? If I write a book and say that the historical evidence is irrelevant to its inspiration, Who can refute me?
Christianity: Jesus is god, jesus is the son, jesus is the father, holy spirit is god, god is in three, three gods, 3 in one, Jesus, father, spirit, one + one + one = One,
Islam: Worship The Unseen God, the same God of Moses, Ibrahim, Jakub, Jesus, Job, Zakariya, Isak peace and blessings be upon them all
@sunnahproduction This is wrong, Christiany: Father: Yahweh. Son: Jesus. Spirit: the Holy Spirit., Three distinctive Person forming the Triune Godhead. Three distinctive persons but one substance, this is to say each person is understood as having the same identical essence or nature, not merely similar natures.
@jackywong i was saying these things because these thing are said by diffrent groups of christians... there are christians who are so astray that they even say Jesis is the father, and the are groups who says Jesus is the son... Both are people who are astray.. its really sad how easy masonic thoughts have been sneaking into christianity and accepted.. before even Isa (as) the real Jesus was arrived on earth, the masons used the word "reborn" after accepted that lucifear was their god..
Badawi incorrectly interpreted Craig's explanation of God's love for ALL and not just some. We are all make choices, good or bad. Gid loves us no matter what. But in the end, the judgment determines the outcome for each of us...good and bad.
Badawi sarcastically took it as bad people and good living together in Heaven. That was a mockery and typical of nonbelievers. But it is shocking to see how the Islam religion shares some Catholicism, which itself is considered the antichrist.
Both have some correct understanding. Jesus is God Son, but is not God. He is a prophet in the likeness of Moses. It’s fascinating how the truth is spread across both Religions – but is not in either.
Respond to this video... So, allah never actually loves the human being. hates the bad deeds loves the good deeds but the person is not loved directly
I don't understand Jamal? How can the same God give two different inspired books? Speak through Jesus Christ and Mohammed? If God did this, then Islam & Christianity would be the same thing, so this makes no sense. The Quran & The Bible are totally different. I agree with Craig, because Jamal is straight out contradicting himself.
@coach8401 there is 1christian hair dresser said that she read some of quran and there is no diffrence in the islam and chritian and another Australian Colleague said the same and others....because islam is giving the same teachings of abraham, david, moses,extra..
@3noudy That's because this hair dresser, hasn't read both books. There is severe differences between the two. A main difference is the trinity and Jesus Christ as God or as God/Allah the supreme and only creator. This hair dresser, would also say there is no difference between a Mormon and a Christian. Big differences!
@theabderrahim1982 The bible has been changed? You tell me, since you have read the original Greek text right? Also, what's the difference from the following emotions/actions - mad/angry, speeding/going above the speed limit, and even speaking/talking? These are the same, if they are different, let me know what they mean. Your basically telling me that the bible has been rewritten by men and has been changed. How are the above words different?
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Dr. Badawi skirts around the very serious problems of the quaran containing examples of stories about Jesus taken from 2nd century unorthodox gospels. God loving sinners doesn't mean they get a free ticket into heaven, but that all can receive the free gift of salvation thru repentance and receiving the atonement for sins provided by the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. If we confess Jesus as Lord and believe in our hearts God raised Him from the dead we shall be saved. (Romans 10:9)
Dr. Badawi really did make it easy to understand the so-called "morally inadequate God" of Islam... lol Both speakers do very well i must add... but i am disappointed with Dr. Craig.. being a highly academic philosopher, he really didn't think this through.
John 5:19 ..verily I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Every prophet said " I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me". whether they use word Father, God, or Allah.
I’m getting some miss signals from Jamal Badawi. I’m not sure if he understands the Christian doctrine. Why is he using elementary agreements against the divinity of Jesus Christ (PBUH)? I don’t understand, maybe I’m missing something. Peace
John 10:27Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”28Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
John 10:27Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Isaiah 9:6-7 [6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. ...
John 10:31-33 [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, [32] but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" [33] "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
FALSE TEACHERS AND PREACHERS GOD HAS WARNED US WAY BEFORE THE ISLAMIC MUSLIM RELIGION
GALATIANS 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
@taidewa Jesus said to His disciples regarding the time of His departure from this earth, "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you" (John 14:26). This enabled the apostles to accurately remember what was to be written in the gospels after Jesus' ascention into heaven. So...no, Jesus did not read the gospels while He was on the earth..
John 10:27Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”28Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us
2 Peter ".. there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them, bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
@GnosticReality you obviously didnt Read the GOSPEL SINCE I just qouted to you the verse of JOHN 1;1 PLYS IF YOU READ THE GOSPEL when the Pharisees asked him to show us the Father what did he say? hmm?---HE SAID " YOUR LOOKIN AT HIM!" soo wither or not you cant understand that even yourself is in 3 parts.. your mind body and word.. you will never understand the 3 of God.. not 3 GODS but 3 in 1..God the Father(mind) Jesus the Image(body) and Holy Spirit(Word) but all 3 are the same! Go Read some
@GnosticReality iT EVEn TELLS YOU that Christ Jesus is the WORD OF GOD.. in Surah 7 Al A raf. verse 158... saying that Christ is the WORD and was placed in MARY as God saying "BE" and he was.. WELL if you read John 1v1 it says clearly the word was with God and WAS GOD.. and according to the Koran like i mentioned before you have to them follow the words of John who was a eye witness to Christ and a first believer.. Muhammad ...600 years later.. hmmm im sorry but ill trust the men who were there
@GBR You should stop defending your religion and start defending God.. For God has a Son and he is our Mediator! IF HE WASNT then HE WOULD NOT HAVE DIED!.. HE WOULD HAVE KILLED EVERYONE WHO STOOD IN HIS WAY..There is NO PROPHET THAT DIED FOR NOTHING and espeically when given power by God and then people never failed.. look at David. if Jesus was just another prophet he would have taken back Isreal by Force. but didnt why? FOr he came to claim the sheep(saints) of God who take up the name JESUS
@GRi ll tell ya right now man.. ive read the bible which is the Torah/Gospel/books of the Prophets i dont know how many times.. & yet when a man i work with gave me the Koran which is directly from Saudi Arabia.after reading only half way throU it..a COMPLETE MORON would see that the Koran is Blasphemous and made by a lunatic who couldnt read. as it says in the Koran Surah 7 v157 Al- A raf its says clearly Muhammad can neither read or write?? Muhhamad is the Christ for Muslims plain and simple
@34Adamlee77 ... You are a liar and a deceiver. The Quran is in Arabic, if you do not read the Quran in Arabic you are not reading the Quran. The nature of Arabic is quite different from English and the English language does not do justice to Quranic words and text.
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The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) is the MOST honourable, righteous, pious, kind, sincere, beautiful, handsome, humble, pure, honest, modest, and GREATEST creation of God Almighty!
@34Adamlee77 ... The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) is the most knowledgeable and intelligent of all God's creation! Salvation is through him (SAW/PBUH)! Islam is the best way of life and the best religion! There is ONLY 1 God.
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The Quran is the word of God. A translation is not the Quran.
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Jesus (AS/PBUH) is a Muslim and will return as a Muslim! William's points were incredibly weak and not supported by any real evidence.
@akaziboni ... The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) IS more intelligent than any other creation of God! The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) is GREATEST than any other Prophet!
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The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) is the MOST honourable, righteous, pious, kind, sincere, beautiful, handsome, pure, intelligent, honest, modest, and GREATEST man. My facts are straight
@Gnosti Sure its Surah 5verse 43-47 AL-Ma idah - it says clearly that God gave the Jews the Torah which is from Allah.. and then by verse 46 and 47 it says that Allah gave Jesus the Gospel and it says directly in verse 47 you are supposed to Judge by what Allah has revealed to them..hmm yet we know by v48 then it says we have the Koran from Muhammad by ALLAh and yet.. the KORAN is in complete OPPOSITION TOWARDS THE 2 other BOOKS. ofcourse they might be similiar in cases but they are not overall
@GnosticReality first off. The Koran clearly states that one must read the TORAH AND THE GOSPEL! because they too were divinity inspired words of God to a people.. But then all its strories are 100% wrong when refrencing to anyone one of the ancient prophets.. and even the events are not even close to be compared to the other 2 testaments.! Jesus said ANYMAN WHO COMES WITH ANY OTHER GOSPEL let him be accursed! AND we see that Muhammad was either an idiot who wanted glory or Servant of the Devil.
I dont know where you are getting your sources from, but muslims explicitly say that there is no diety worthy of worship except allah (the arab word for god), the same god as jesus, moses, abraham, noah... You cannot be a muslim unless you believe in all of these prophets as well. If an illiterate man who never had any ability to even write or read, or a Christian background, isn't it possible that he is a prophet? None of this moon worship stuff !!
Muhammad plagiarized stories from the Bible and then he took the pagan moon god Allah that his family worshiped and tried to join them together! Islam is a Pagan religion do the research
John 20:28 "Thomas answered him, 'My Lord and my God'." This guy obviously does not know Greek. The Greek phrase (transliteration) is "O kurios mou kai O Theos mou". O is the article which separates both Lord and God as not being an adjective to each other "godly Lord". Mou means "of mine" or "my". Kai means "and". Literally means "The Lord of mind and the God of mine". There is no other way to translate that in Greek. Lets just face the facts...the Bible is not compatible with the Quran
prophets spoke in metaphors. this dialect is also found in poetry. if the reader would to take a metaphor as literal, his / her perception will get lost. ie., it's so cold that the trees are drinking hot tea. obviously trees don't drink hot tea. unfortunately, there are people that might take my poetic expression of the cold weather as literal. the scriptures are filled with metaphors and without discernment, the gullible will develop faith that can block the explained metaphor.
The crucifixion is not unanimous?? Well, I guess 99.99% is not technically unanimous but there are more scholars who think Muhammad didn't exist than think the crucifixion didn't happen
His statement about Hitler in heaven (because it does not matter) shows how much he dosen't know anything about Christianity and only wanted to convince his followers to believe such a bulloney! -1 for Dr Badawi. No offence for the muslims who will read this.
I find it difficult to respect this man and this part of the disussion. Dr. Craig had his speech ready and intact and spoke. This man is merely speaking on what Dr. Craig spoke about and his mission is to tear it down. He is speaking defensively and offensively. Did he not have a speech ready and intact on which he was going to present that stands alone? He is very weak.
Cause and effect question, I will happily word my opinion. Seeing how everything so far in our known world applies to this formula I believe it. This causes a circular argument of how was the universe created, and how was the thing that created the universe created and how was the thing ...etc. Now you do of course realize this applies to god too? Who created god? Besides you made it even worse. Instead of ? - > universe -> us , you got ? - > god - > universe -> us.
@scrap222666 well by definition we know the universe was created, i'e the big bang. ao we know it has a begining already. so you can't say the universe has been around for ever.
if everything that was created has a creator then we would not be in the present time of 'today'
So there has to be a starting point which is uncaused outside of the realms of science. because science follows cause and effect.
@cinista2002 Yes the universe hasn't been forever. Outside the realm of science you mean the famous "outside time and space" argument? If god is outside human realm of space and time why the fuck do we need him then? :D We already established that the Quran was a subjective book. Now I ask you another question, if god can be outside time and space why not another unknown process? Again this is the realm of metaphysics, outside time and space. Why not the predecessor of universe be there?
@scrap222666 lol have have no way near established that the quran is subjective, so try again.
we need god because of the laws thats created. we obviously can't live by the man made laws that always keeps chaging, not to mention the laws you stole from the catholics.
exactly there is a predecessor of the universe which created time, matter and space. we call that god, with the laws, signs and miracles which is reveald in the quran
@cinista2002 Funny, I do not recall that metaphysical "no time and space" world has any way to contact our universe. How did you establish a link between our world and a place beyond? Quran was written by Muhhamed, a human who was subjective to his skill of writing, understanding etc. Thereby Quran was written subjectively. Catholics eh? :) Do you know that before catholics there was a place called Rome and their gods? Did the have no morals? Even before Rome there was religion.
@scrap222666 You shoud ask your self what the link is between the metaphysical world and our universe as you're the one who thinks our universe came about by complete accident and complete chance. our universe is so finely tuned with great design but simple a accident according to u.
as i said the quran has many miracles that a man would no be able to predict over a thousand years ago.
yes you stole alot of your morals from religion to begin with, so u have no morals of your own
@scrap222666 You shoud ask your self what the link is between the metaphysical world and our universe as you're the one who thinks our universe came about by complete accident and complete chance. our universe is so finely tuned with great design but simple a accident according to u.
as i said the quran has many miracles that a man would no be able to predict over a thousand years ago.
yes you stole alot of your morals from religion to begin with, so u have no morals of your own
@cinista2002 Stealing morals from religion? I am sorry but as far as I know, I don't hate gays, I don't sacrifice people/animals, I don't condem the use of condoms, I don't approve slavery. What kind of moral base is that? You say religion gave me morals, I say religions were founded upon morals that "my ancestors" gave to the system. Most of theist morals are far outrageous, oh also I don't stone people to death. If my mother was a crackwhore who wouldn't care for me I would not respect her.
@scrap222666 Yes you stole alot of morals from the catholics but u changed it over time, i'e how it was illigal to be gay about 50 years ago but now men can marry eachother. so its clear u have no objective morality only which you stole from other and change dit over time.
you can't rule out that killing an innocent person can be acceptable in another 500/1000 years.
@cinista2002 If only god is holding you off from killing innocent people I pray for you. 500-1000? I doubt it but as I don't know the absolute truth it can or won't happen, those are the two options. Personally I don't see it happening. Islam stole it's morals from the earlier Christian faith and bible. Look it up. Therefore you are just as moral as I am. If I "stole" my morals from a man made religion then I can confidently state that islam stole it's morals as it copied stories etc from bible.
@scrap222666 if your refutation is the islam stole its morals from christianity then i can see how much of a tough time you're haveing to refute me. you obviously don't understand the abrahamic religions where jews, christians and muslims have alot of similarities. but you being an atheist and following morals from the catholics is totally different.
i'm glad you finally exceed the point of you having no objective morality.
@cinista2002 If you are saying I have no morals I can see how much of a hard time you are having to refute me. I am saying morality systems predate religion. First there was morality.
Besides I want my changing morals rather than Islam who are:
Verse 4:34 wife beaters ";and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them;"
"And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of God; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of God; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may God destroy them; how they are turned away!"
So jews and christians are evil?
"Those who believe, the Jews, Christians and Sabians - any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord. They need not fear, nor shall they grieve"
@cinista2002 So now we have shown how contradicting your "morality" ground is you wife beater jihadist. Great way to justify such things, god wills it. You are a coward for going against women. Besides I have also shown how christians and jews are shown as evil and then they are good again. Will you laugh at this contradiction also? Well this "laugh" only shows you have no answer so you are beaten. 1 atheism 0 islam.
@scrap222666 wife beating is a contradiction? lol lol are u being serious. do you even know what the term means? look it up on a dictionairy lol.
so what if someone is good and evil. they still have objective morality.
man you really are struggleing here.
before you award youself a point, how about you figure out how the universe exactly came into exsistance? why don't you do that first before you award athiesim 1 point lol lol.
from what i see you have no points because you have no clue.
a)"And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of God; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of God; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may God destroy them; how they are turned away!"
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"Those who believe, the Jews, Christians and Sabians - any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord. They need not fear, nor shall they grieve"
@cinista2002 Perhaps because it is taken from the Quran. You don't even know or haven't researched your own passages!? I know more than you about the Quran? Please stop avoiding. Actually I can answer instead for you, Scrap I am avoiding the answer because you found a literal contradiction where one passage grants access to heaven for jews, christians but the other says they should be destroyed. I now see that my faith is made up and I agree that atheism wins.
@scrap222666 you realy are stupid. i said thats what the jews and christians believe so ask them. its adressing the jews and the christians, so how isit a contradiction. it means there are good and bad within those religions. remember not all christians believe jesus is the son of god.
its basic knowledge. and think thats a cintradiction lol lol
@cinista2002 Yet you don't answer the obvious contradiction. I have asked you two times and I am asking you the third time. You obviously have gone into denial and replying with personal offenses or mere gibberish.
Please, search your Quran for those passages I gave you and answer me how does saying "destroy jews, christians" not contradict with "jews, christians get into heaven".
@cinista2002 My source is word by word Arabic translation. Go to corpus.quran.com and from left menu choose word-by-word Quran. They translate every verse and give each meaning to the word.
@scrap222666 this is very easy actually. Sura 9:30 is talking about associating partneres with god ( i.e sons of god) are going to hell. thats very cleay.
and sura 2:62 is talking about THOSE 'jews' and 'christians' who believe in god, and the last day and live a rightous life day will be saved.
as i said many early christians expecially during the time of the prophet only believed in one god without sons and daughters. i.e uniterian christians.
@cinista2002 Associating partneres with god? Can you rephrase this. I'm not native English speaker and can't understand the meaning that clearly.
Also THOSE 'Christians' aren't really christians then. Christianity is founded and differentiates itself in the belief that Jesus Christ (Christianity=Christ) was the embodiment of god. We might speak of different meanings if you think there are Christians that don't believe in Jesus and resurrection. It says wa-alladhīna hādū wal-naṣārā. Christians..
@cinista2002 wa-alladhīna hādū wal-naṣārā . How can you say it is not referencing to Christians? And if you are saying those Christians who don't believe in Jesus being son of god and embodiment of god, there are none! Christianity is based on belief of Jesus, there are no other options. Unitarianism is a totally other faith, it's not Christianity. If Quran wrote Unitarianism then I would understand. Do you understand that the word Christianity means accepting Jesus? There are no other ways!
@cinista2002 You are saying to me 'Islam' users who drink, eat meat, believe that jesus christ resurrected can be considered Islam believers. You can't refer to 'Islam' if you take away Allah for example. The word has totally no meaning.
THIS IS TOTALLY A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT AND FALLACY. Read on such a thing, you suddenly substituted a 99% part of Christianity and still called in Christianity. I sense you can't really understand words. If I go north. I do not mean 'North'. Quran does not say ''
@cinista2002 But Quran says word by word. Allah Destroy them, how deluded are they[Christians and Jews]. Then verse 2:62 states the very same Christians and their Lord are righteous. Do you understand that when such a sentence as "There is a dog." you can't say that dog is not a dog and that dog is a cat. Pretty first grade logic imho. You seem to have a hard time grasping that Christian mean Christians, not dogs or horses or cats. The word Christian refers to Christians.
Again no controversy? Acceptor of Repentance and most merciful suddenly changes his mind and says no forgiveness and he will guide them away. How can acceptor of repentance and most merciful not accept repentance and show mercy? Is he not most merciful? Clearly he does not accept those peoples forgiveness.
@scrap222666 yes christians believe in jesus christ, but not all christians believe he is god. i have met a uniterian christian. so you need to understand that first.
so there is no contradiction. that was a very weak attempt.
@cinista2002 Uniterian Christian is not a Christian do you understand that? If Allah would of wrote Uniterian Christians I would understand, no. He wrote pretty clearly Christians. Christians as you just said believe in Jesus Christ. Jesus is like Allah to Christians, if you take that away they are not Christians but something else. Like Uniterian Christians. You don't think a cellphone is a phone in a cell now do you? The word Christian in Uniterian does not mean they are Christians.
@cinista2002 Are you going crazy? I am reading the Quran "those who became jews and Christians. CHRISTIANS. THOSE WHO BECAME CHRISTIANS AND JEWS. THOSE. WHO. BECAME. CHRISTIANS. What is so hard to understand? How can Christians refer to many things? Are you stupid? I am talking to a child. You can't understand that CHRISTIANS=CHRISTIANS.
If I say but all Islam believers don't believe in Allah you would say then they are calling themselves wrong and are not Islamist. Quran says Christians...
@cinista2002 It's very nice that you know all the different forms of religion that broke off from Christianity but I am sorry to say Quran says Christians. There is a reason why Christianity is Christianity. You can't refer to non Christians with the word Christians who don't believe in Christ, Jesus Christ. That is absolute stupidity. How can you say and those Islamist who don't believe in Allah? They are not Islamist then. Logical fallacy.
@scrap222666 as i already said you have very little knowledge of christianity.
there are some christians who believe that the father is god, they believe in the original sin, and they believe in the ressurection, but they dont believe god has a son.
are u telling me they're not christians?
don't make me laugh.
go back and do some research and then come back. your arguments are the weakest anyone has ever said.
its lame and pointless. i refuted all your lame points already.
@cinista2002 What are you talking about? God has a son? No one says that. "as i already said you have very little knowledge of christianity." You say that to me yet you don't know what son of god means. Oh my god really? I have very little knowledge yet you don't know what son of god means. Please read a little before debating. No wonder half the things fly over your head.
@scrap222666 i think its you who hasn't got a clue. christians believe jesus is the begotton son of god and part of the god head. so you should go back and do some more research.
its a waste of time with your silly nonsensical contradictions.
Man was created by a mixture of clay and water, this is in hadith and a verse in the Qur'an I believe.
The 'clinging substance' you refer to is 'alaqah, or a 'chewed like substance' which refers to the very early stage of embryonic development in the womb.
@cinista2002 Like I said before(below) son of god does not mean literally god's son as you pointed out and showed your ignorance against other faiths. It's a figure of speech from the Bible. In a sense were all gods sons as he was the original father. It means closeness. From that I can tell you are taking arguments from air. So I will answer, Yes those are not Christians. Christians are Christians. Quran used the word "CHRISTIANS" to represent both saved ones and destroyed ones- Contradiction.
@cinista2002 Why does it even matter if you can't understand that Christians mean Christians. Quran said a word "Christian" in both passages, therefore it contradicts. Christians get to heaven. Christians get destroyed. Dog dies, dog lives. I live, I don't. Clear as a day. If you use the very same word Christian in two place for other meaning it contradicts.
@cinista2002 One thing is clear. We can't make up our case on these points. I claim Quran contradicts. You say it does not. I will bring you the next contradiction.
24:45-6 Allah created every moving creature from WATER.
25:54-5 And he the one who has created from the WATER HUMAN BEING.
38:71-9 Indeed going to create a HUMAN BEING from CLAY.
@scrap222666 did any of the verses say ONLY FROM? or are you assuming he said ONLY FROM? a Computer is created from Metal, Sand, Gold, Copper and Plastic which is also From Petrol, Carbon and Hydrogen. if I say computers are created from thes am I confused? it seems you are confused because Allah Does not say ONLY FROM when he does we can agree. until then your argument is futile.
@szuhbi I am sorry but clearly even your example fails. A computer is created from copper. A computer is created from plastic. Are these statements right? No! Clearly you can not make a computer of copper. Clearly you cannot make a computer of plastic. A computer is created of plastic, copper and other. If you state "a formed of b" then state "a formed of c" you contradict. As you need "b and c for a" So the correct statement would be "a formed of b and c" Quran got it wrong, admit it.
@scrap222666 Do you need Copper to Create a Computer as you know it? YES OR NOT ANSWER. if no I want to you to prove through science that you do not use copper to create anything inside a computer. Just copper I dont your other crap your going to throw in there and nor do I want any of your candy either.
@szuhbi Copper = A Computer = B Statement: You need A to create B. Correct Debate: You create A from B. (creature from water, man from clay, man from water) You are not debating the claims made by Quran. Quran= A created B You = A needed to create B While in Quran A is also needed it is not the claim, it simply states that from A came B. If Quran says: A made B A made C A made D it contradicts. Replace man created water with computer created from plastic. That is wrong. Quran is wrong
@scrap222666 Ok your body is over 80% Water and no where does it say God Created Man from WATER ONLY. Until you can provide that verse then you lack basic understanding of english. are you that messed up? have you been reading about the Trinity again?
Also the compounds in your body are the same as those found in Dirt or clay that is a fact your also created from that did god say he only created Man from that NO. It does not. Plus what did you want a Human Recipe like a cook book. your lost.
@szuhbi If I make a statement "I won the game" " I lost the game" these statements contradict. By your logic I played 2 games and we should combine the results, no!
If I say "Man made from water" "Man made from clay" I contradict.
"A made from B" "A made from C" Nowhere does it say in those statements that man was made from many things. If I need to add human input and interprit with subjective knowledge it would contradict the "A made from B" statement still as it only contains 1 ingredient
@scrap222666 How did your analogy come to that, First of all you WON A GAME and LOST, Winning and losing are opposite of each other but water and clay are not opposite of each other so here goes your theory, Clay is not Opposite to water nor is water Opposite to Clay and thet can both exist at the same time. Try again buddy.
@szuhbi Maybe I played 2 games. This is the point. You are adding subjective knowledge.
Quran claims 1thing water made 1 thing human. No where does it say in that statement that other components are involved. You are adding and skewing the readable statement that "Oh by the way, man is not made by water, actually it takes other stuff". I read the Quran, I don't need your input. The Quran contradicts.
@scrap222666 Here is a Soccer Game for you to see what happens here. At 10 min Team A 1-0 Team B At 20 min Team A 2-0 Team B At 30 min Team A 2-0 Team B At 45 min Team A 2-1 Team B At 90 min Team A 2-5 Team B Here is a statement Team B was losing Here is a statement Team A was winning Here is a Statement it was a Fast Game Here is a Statement Team B defended well Here is a Statement Both Teams played well Here is a Statement Team A won 1 half. Do you get the hint,
@scrap222666 Looks to me like you fucked yourself with your last answer only to realise you had to say ok maybe I did play to games HAHAHAHAHAHA, you didnt think I would pick that one did you.
Also it is stupid to assume things are not there unless other wise. this is like saying the continent of north America has USA. Does it mean it only Has USA you knob?
See the problem is you cannot understand simple english. thats all it is really. Reading should also include understanding too.
@scrap222666 I can call you a Human and an Idiot right? I can call you an idiot too, does that mean you are not human? come on tell me it does.
Because according to your bullshit logic you cannot be Human and an Idiot at the same time? But you have displayed that to me so I guess your behaviour is illogical according to you?
@szuhbi I get the point you are trying to make clear as day. Your argument is that the statements don't contradict as they all "ingredients" of some sort. Only problem is you are making this assumption out of thin air. No where does it say that these are the ingredients. Stop putting human input into the words of Quran, Quran is holy not you. And Quran contradicts. If I say "I made man out of dust" , "I made man out of water" I contradict. Quran is using the word created, no middle ground there.
@szuhbi Same way I could say "I made/created sandwich out of bread and butter" "I made/created sandwich out of cheese and bread" Well what is it then? Did I create both of these sandwiches? As I have not mentioned too sandwiches I contradict just like the Quran.
You are inserting human input thinking "oh ofcourse you made two sandwiches". If you plainly read the Quran it contradicts.
@scrap222666 Where did you say I made this sandwich and then I made another? you can have a sandwich which is bread butter and cheese. Listen you are making a very stupid arguments and you keep on defeating yourself.
Tell me if you were to tell me I made the sandwich by placing the bread first. Does that make your statements wrong? NO It does not and if anyone said it is they are Idiots.
@szuhbi Oh I want to reply to the Earth one too. Firstly Earth was not made from either water or stone. It was made of gas and space dust. Water and stone came a lot later. Secondly this is why I brought the "I won a game" "Lost a game" argument in.
I won a game.
I lost a game.
These do not contradict as when you add/read them together it would be "I won and lost a game" making it two games. Same with your argument. In their single form they contradict as just as Water only did not make Earth.
@scrap222666 So your telling me that Earth can also be said to be made from gas and dust. ok then at what stage is that? or are you telling me that Earth is not made from water? Is water a content of Earth?
Also what about the sandwich what happened there
See you want to assume it is a single form why do you do that? because of your prejeduce
@scrap222666 See now you are telling me about what came later. Listen pal your arguments are not good enough. Many scholars like and Learned Men who critisize the Qur'an never went the path you are going. it is used by the Missionaries . and these arguments have been refuted. you still maintain contradiction without proof and none of the sentences you chose in Qur'an are opposite to each other. anyways I think I proved my point.
@scrap222666 When you look at your arguments it appears you are confirming what I said. Unless you are trying to imply that the steps to making a sandwich which there is not it is a fallacy to assume there is not. Here is an example
When I went to London 10 years ago I got a stamp on my passport saying approved for entery
When I went to london last year I got a stop saying you cannot claim dole. Benefits
can you say I only got one stamp the last time I went?
@szuhbi I think we came to a conclusion of some sort actually. I am saying you are putting in human input to interprit the Quran is wrong as you are not objective(every person is subjective seeing colors differently, hearing, thoughts etc). If we view these statements they all contradict. I have to use my human input to think you made several sandwiches or a big one. However your text does not say that. So it is basically your word against mine if these were the texts.
@szuhbi That is why I started using the stupid A=BC, mathematically speaking if you just viewed the texts they contradict just as yours. Now add human input and we mess it up as we skew them with our subjective mind. The proof to that is all the different break aways of Christian and Islamic faiths. They all interprit some parts differently.
@scrap222666 I dont know what are you on about. who is adding what? you are adding the contradiction because you are adding an exclusive Clause. Oh seriously dude you really need to speak to masters in english and logic about this and see what they say. This exclusive clause you are adding is your prejiduce and they will tell you what.
There no Exclusive claim made by the Qur'an if you find one SHOW ME.
@szuhbi Yes I am the one having trouble with understanding English. Yes there are absolutely positively 100% no contradictions in the Quran, Quran also has scientific facts in it that were first presented, you guessed it- Quran. Quran also proves itself to be a holy text as it's prophecies have become all true, yes they have! Have a good day sir. I am done with you. (I bet you will also be the last word bitch and post something after this post :) )
@scrap222666 Your statements still do not say the Quran said it is only Made of that. you are trying too hard your making a fool of yourself. where here is an equation
A =BC
A contains in it B
A contains in it C
these statements are correct. your implying Man = Water only the Quran does not state that. you have no verse that says that so stop trying to add things to the Quran that do not exist to back up your argument. End of Conversation. unless you can bring that Proof your wasting time
@szuhbi24:45 Creature from Water 25:54-5 Human from water 38:71-9 Human from clay 55:14-4 Man from clay 96:2-4 Man from clinging substance So if I write 1:1-1 "I lost the game" 2:2-2 "I won the game" my statements by your logic would be right cause A(game) = b(lost) c(won)
Well clearly both statements are right as I got 5 candy.
Then your logic is very skewed if you think such statements are right in such a holy book. That is called bending the words. You are the one making the assertment as it states nowhere that "oh by the way, this thing called man is made out of other stuff too" . Basically you are going "oh by the way 2+3 is 5 so you have actually 5!" if I say I have 2, 3 ,5 clearly I contradict.
@scrap222666 when you start to make sense then we can debate till then I suggest you explain what on earth you are trying to explain. I guess too much candy can be bad for you. looks like your getting a toothache and a headache.
@cinista2002 Your use of Straw Man argument knows no bounds. What Quran are you reading as I am reading the word-by-word one. No where in the 2:160 it says BELIEVERS who sin. You are adding words, it does not mention belief in this segment at all. Only disbelief who will die again. not one word of BELIEF, want me to spell it out for you and copy each segment word by word? You are already not telling the truth. It simply says those who repent and reform. All believers and non-believers.
In John 14:20 he said "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you." NVI. But in the context John is speaking about the Holy Spirit, when a person believes in Jesus then show himself to them, this is said in the next verse "Whoever has my commands and obeys them... and I too will love him and show myself to him.” in 14:23 "we will come to him and make our home with him."
NomiVoluntad 2 months ago
The God of the Bible states that He loves all equally, but this does not indicate why the will enter heaven. Those who reject God and do evil deeds will be judged by this.
His love is unconditional and not have to be earned.
NomiVoluntad 2 months ago
@NomiVoluntad
You wrote: "His love is unconditional and not have to be earned."
Question? According to Christianity, does God love those whom He will cast into Hell for enternity unconditionally and the same degree, as he loves those who will be admitted into his presence in Paradise (for enternity)?
Legend1One 1 month ago
@Legend1One Yes God loves this people. The problem is that you assume that God is who put unbelievers into hell, quite the contrary the bible teaches that human being has the responsability to choice their fate.
But what i said is that god loves all human beign no matter what they do, they don't have to make right deeds to get the love of God, that's what the quran said about allah's love
NomiVoluntad 1 month ago
@NomiVoluntad According the Christianity, if (as you say) God loves all human beings no matter what they do, why then is He going to cast the evil doers into a lake of fire for all enternity?
Legend1One 1 month ago
@NomiVoluntad
YOU: "The God of the Bible states that He loves all equally"
ME: What?!?!? The Bible clearly states that God loves the Israel above all other nations in the world, and that Israel is His elected or chosen people. In the Bible, God uses Israel to wipe out entire nations time and time again. You are a confused individual who has not READ his Bible. Next time, I suggest you actually read it (the Bible) before you post, so as you don't look like a !%#@ head.
Legend1One 1 month ago
@Legend1One I was preparing a text to answer because it's a great question, but better stay with the doubt, I will not deal with intolerance, if you think that I did not read the Bible, it is your opinion:)
NomiVoluntad 1 month ago
@NomiVoluntad Hey Nomi, I'm glad to learn, from you, that you have in-fact read the Bible... I'll take you at your word on it. With that being said, I possed 3 or 4 question to you all based on your statement: "His (God's) love is unconditional and not have to be earned;" and also, in my questions, I provided Biblical scriptures to confute (your) theisis/claim. I look forward to hearing your answers in a follow up notes.
Legend1One 1 month ago
God's love is unconditional meaning no matter how much a person does sins, God still love him and will not give up on him. The verse you have mentioned does not mean that His love is limited to certain group of people but rather it is saying that whoever seeks Him will earn the Kingdom of Heaven. Christ said in Matthew 9:13 "For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.” Therefore His love is not only limited to those who are righteous but those who are sinners as well.
mgroufael 1 week ago
When Christ was crucified, He did it to sacrifice Himself for all humankind, not only a certain group of people. As for you saying that God loves Israel above all people, no He did not love them above all. He called them people with hardened hearts; they were very strict. He was trying to teach us a lesson through them; He did not give up on them even though their hearts were hardened and away from Him - speaking of unconditional love.
mgroufael 1 week ago
@NomiVoluntad
In regards to Jesus you say:
YOU say: "His love is unconditional and not have to be earned.
How do you account for John 14:21 which says:
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
So, either YOUR right (Gods love is unconditiona) or Jesus (PBUH) is right (God's love is conditional) Bye the way, who is right you or Jesus (PBUH)?
Legend1One 1 month ago
He assumes and takes for granted the truth of the Qur'an, and talks under the assumption that the Quran is true. Give us one historical reason to believe that the Jesus of the Qur'an is true
NomiVoluntad 2 months ago
Dr. Badawi has given us no reason to believe that Islam and the conception of God (Allah in this case) is true. Just tell us what you think and makes again and again appeals to authority and inspiration of the Koran.
It is extraordinary when he says he can accept the resurrection of Jesus and remain Muslim. How can we show someone who does not accept evidence that one religion is true? If I write a book and say that the historical evidence is irrelevant to its inspiration, Who can refute me?
NomiVoluntad 2 months ago
Christianity: Jesus is god, jesus is the son, jesus is the father, holy spirit is god, god is in three, three gods, 3 in one, Jesus, father, spirit, one + one + one = One,
Islam: Worship The Unseen God, the same God of Moses, Ibrahim, Jakub, Jesus, Job, Zakariya, Isak peace and blessings be upon them all
sunnahproduction 2 months ago
@sunnahproduction This is wrong, Christiany: Father: Yahweh. Son: Jesus. Spirit: the Holy Spirit., Three distinctive Person forming the Triune Godhead. Three distinctive persons but one substance, this is to say each person is understood as having the same identical essence or nature, not merely similar natures.
jackywong 2 months ago
@jackywong i was saying these things because these thing are said by diffrent groups of christians... there are christians who are so astray that they even say Jesis is the father, and the are groups who says Jesus is the son... Both are people who are astray.. its really sad how easy masonic thoughts have been sneaking into christianity and accepted.. before even Isa (as) the real Jesus was arrived on earth, the masons used the word "reborn" after accepted that lucifear was their god..
sunnahproduction 2 months ago
Badawi incorrectly interpreted Craig's explanation of God's love for ALL and not just some. We are all make choices, good or bad. Gid loves us no matter what. But in the end, the judgment determines the outcome for each of us...good and bad.
Badawi sarcastically took it as bad people and good living together in Heaven. That was a mockery and typical of nonbelievers. But it is shocking to see how the Islam religion shares some Catholicism, which itself is considered the antichrist.
highnote606 2 months ago
Both have some correct understanding. Jesus is God Son, but is not God. He is a prophet in the likeness of Moses. It’s fascinating how the truth is spread across both Religions – but is not in either.
Charismatic789 3 months ago in playlist ISLAM DEBATE! William Lane Craig vs Jamal Badawi Debate
2:35-- NOT GOD HEAD , BUT THOSE WHO DIE IN CHRIST(WHO IS LIFE ETERNAL) WILL BECOME HEIRS WITH JESUS! HE PROMISED US THIS!SO IN A WAY , YES.
kudzy11 3 months ago
@pistislasis ... The blind can never see *tisk *tisk
rosepetalaysha 4 months ago
@rosepetalaysha yet those with sight cannot lead the blind they see because they lack sight themselves.
deltaalphacharlie 3 months ago
Respond to this video... So, allah never actually loves the human being. hates the bad deeds loves the good deeds but the person is not loved directly
deltaalphacharlie 3 months ago
@akaziboni we respect and should respect all prophets :)
rosepetalaysha 4 months ago
Respect is earned, Mohammed has earned no respect.
PistisIasis 4 months ago
funny 5:20
3noudy 5 months ago
William Lane Craig got DESTROYED.
xtremeownage2 5 months ago
@xtremeownage2
You know that Craig "got destroyed" before he even answered the points his opponent brought up? So far, there were only opening statements.
mawa89g 5 months ago in playlist ISLAM DEBATE! William Lane Craig vs Jamal Badawi Debate
I don't understand Jamal? How can the same God give two different inspired books? Speak through Jesus Christ and Mohammed? If God did this, then Islam & Christianity would be the same thing, so this makes no sense. The Quran & The Bible are totally different. I agree with Craig, because Jamal is straight out contradicting himself.
coach8401 5 months ago
@coach8401 there is 1christian hair dresser said that she read some of quran and there is no diffrence in the islam and chritian and another Australian Colleague said the same and others....because islam is giving the same teachings of abraham, david, moses,extra..
3noudy 5 months ago
@3noudy she should read it again.
deltaalphacharlie 3 months ago
@3noudy That's because this hair dresser, hasn't read both books. There is severe differences between the two. A main difference is the trinity and Jesus Christ as God or as God/Allah the supreme and only creator. This hair dresser, would also say there is no difference between a Mormon and a Christian. Big differences!
coach8401 2 months ago
@coach8401 that's because the original bible has been changed by men which lead to the bible we have today
theabderrahim1982 3 months ago
@theabderrahim1982 The bible has been changed? You tell me, since you have read the original Greek text right? Also, what's the difference from the following emotions/actions - mad/angry, speeding/going above the speed limit, and even speaking/talking? These are the same, if they are different, let me know what they mean. Your basically telling me that the bible has been rewritten by men and has been changed. How are the above words different?
coach8401 2 months ago
GOD did not sent his son but he sent his LOVE to the world like his son Jesus
goodwill455 6 months ago
jamals got nothin
imapisces23 6 months ago 2
@imapisces23 ahah true. god, the father of jesus christ loves everyone! including you bro! :D
XxStopherLixX 6 months ago
@imapisces23 I lose the point he is trying to make every time he starst quoting the Quran
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tigersforchrist 7 months ago
Dr. Badawi skirts around the very serious problems of the quaran containing examples of stories about Jesus taken from 2nd century unorthodox gospels. God loving sinners doesn't mean they get a free ticket into heaven, but that all can receive the free gift of salvation thru repentance and receiving the atonement for sins provided by the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. If we confess Jesus as Lord and believe in our hearts God raised Him from the dead we shall be saved. (Romans 10:9)
55k3v1n 7 months ago
Dr. Badawi really did make it easy to understand the so-called "morally inadequate God" of Islam... lol Both speakers do very well i must add... but i am disappointed with Dr. Craig.. being a highly academic philosopher, he really didn't think this through.
DiLxThief 7 months ago
@GnosticReality
John 5:19 ..verily I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Every prophet said " I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me". whether they use word Father, God, or Allah.
taidewa 7 months ago
haha the beardy Moslem bastard, hope they searched his luggage for bombs on the way in to the hall! Surprised he feels able to debate "infidels".
Why didn't Craig mention the devastating fact that Muhammed was a paedophile? That would have annihilated Badawi and his Islamic bullshit.
Sit down you Moslem fake
relarerfhjk 7 months ago
I’m getting some miss signals from Jamal Badawi. I’m not sure if he understands the Christian doctrine. Why is he using elementary agreements against the divinity of Jesus Christ (PBUH)? I don’t understand, maybe I’m missing something. Peace
Ilive4Allah2011 8 months ago in playlist ISLAM DEBATE! William Lane Craig vs Jamal Badawi Debate
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yes JESUS IS GOD
John 10:27Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”28Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
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John 10:27Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
Isaiah 9:6-7 [6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. ...
lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
JESUS CLAIMED TO BE GOD
John 10:31-33 [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, [32] but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" [33] "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
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JESUS ALWAYS EXISTED HE IS GOD
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
FALSE TEACHERS AND PREACHERS GOD HAS WARNED US WAY BEFORE THE ISLAMIC MUSLIM RELIGION
GALATIANS 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
@lovelightandpraise
did jesus read gospel that you read today?
taidewa 7 months ago
@taidewa Jesus said to His disciples regarding the time of His departure from this earth, "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you" (John 14:26). This enabled the apostles to accurately remember what was to be written in the gospels after Jesus' ascention into heaven. So...no, Jesus did not read the gospels while He was on the earth..
55k3v1n 7 months ago
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John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
Luke 6:27 Jesus said:
“But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
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1 John 4:8
Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
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Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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JESUS IS GOD
John 10:27Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”28Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
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lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
Jesus is God
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us
lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
500 TO 700 YEARS BEFORE JESUS WAS BORN THE PROPHET ISAIAH SAID:
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
FALSE TEACHERS WARNING BY JESUS
2 Peter ".. there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them, bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
JESUS IS GOD
John 10:27Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
lovelightandpraise 9 months ago
@GnosticReality you obviously didnt Read the GOSPEL SINCE I just qouted to you the verse of JOHN 1;1 PLYS IF YOU READ THE GOSPEL when the Pharisees asked him to show us the Father what did he say? hmm?---HE SAID " YOUR LOOKIN AT HIM!" soo wither or not you cant understand that even yourself is in 3 parts.. your mind body and word.. you will never understand the 3 of God.. not 3 GODS but 3 in 1..God the Father(mind) Jesus the Image(body) and Holy Spirit(Word) but all 3 are the same! Go Read some
34Adamlee77 9 months ago
@GnosticReality iT EVEn TELLS YOU that Christ Jesus is the WORD OF GOD.. in Surah 7 Al A raf. verse 158... saying that Christ is the WORD and was placed in MARY as God saying "BE" and he was.. WELL if you read John 1v1 it says clearly the word was with God and WAS GOD.. and according to the Koran like i mentioned before you have to them follow the words of John who was a eye witness to Christ and a first believer.. Muhammad ...600 years later.. hmmm im sorry but ill trust the men who were there
34Adamlee77 9 months ago
@GBR You should stop defending your religion and start defending God.. For God has a Son and he is our Mediator! IF HE WASNT then HE WOULD NOT HAVE DIED!.. HE WOULD HAVE KILLED EVERYONE WHO STOOD IN HIS WAY..There is NO PROPHET THAT DIED FOR NOTHING and espeically when given power by God and then people never failed.. look at David. if Jesus was just another prophet he would have taken back Isreal by Force. but didnt why? FOr he came to claim the sheep(saints) of God who take up the name JESUS
34Adamlee77 9 months ago
@GRi ll tell ya right now man.. ive read the bible which is the Torah/Gospel/books of the Prophets i dont know how many times.. & yet when a man i work with gave me the Koran which is directly from Saudi Arabia.after reading only half way throU it..a COMPLETE MORON would see that the Koran is Blasphemous and made by a lunatic who couldnt read. as it says in the Koran Surah 7 v157 Al- A raf its says clearly Muhammad can neither read or write?? Muhhamad is the Christ for Muslims plain and simple
34Adamlee77 9 months ago
@34Adamlee77 ... You are a liar and a deceiver. The Quran is in Arabic, if you do not read the Quran in Arabic you are not reading the Quran. The nature of Arabic is quite different from English and the English language does not do justice to Quranic words and text.
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The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) is the MOST honourable, righteous, pious, kind, sincere, beautiful, handsome, humble, pure, honest, modest, and GREATEST creation of God Almighty!
xtremeownage2 5 months ago
@34Adamlee77 ... The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) is the most knowledgeable and intelligent of all God's creation! Salvation is through him (SAW/PBUH)! Islam is the best way of life and the best religion! There is ONLY 1 God.
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The Quran is the word of God. A translation is not the Quran.
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Jesus (AS/PBUH) is a Muslim and will return as a Muslim! William's points were incredibly weak and not supported by any real evidence.
xtremeownage2 5 months ago
@xtremeownage2 u reckon Muhammad was more intelligent than King Solom???? Was Muhammad greater than the prophet Jonah???? Get ur facts straight !!
akaziboni 4 months ago
@akaziboni ... The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) IS more intelligent than any other creation of God! The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) is GREATEST than any other Prophet!
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The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) is the MOST honourable, righteous, pious, kind, sincere, beautiful, handsome, pure, intelligent, honest, modest, and GREATEST man. My facts are straight
xtremeownage2 3 months ago
@Gnosti Sure its Surah 5verse 43-47 AL-Ma idah - it says clearly that God gave the Jews the Torah which is from Allah.. and then by verse 46 and 47 it says that Allah gave Jesus the Gospel and it says directly in verse 47 you are supposed to Judge by what Allah has revealed to them..hmm yet we know by v48 then it says we have the Koran from Muhammad by ALLAh and yet.. the KORAN is in complete OPPOSITION TOWARDS THE 2 other BOOKS. ofcourse they might be similiar in cases but they are not overall
34Adamlee77 9 months ago
@GnosticReality first off. The Koran clearly states that one must read the TORAH AND THE GOSPEL! because they too were divinity inspired words of God to a people.. But then all its strories are 100% wrong when refrencing to anyone one of the ancient prophets.. and even the events are not even close to be compared to the other 2 testaments.! Jesus said ANYMAN WHO COMES WITH ANY OTHER GOSPEL let him be accursed! AND we see that Muhammad was either an idiot who wanted glory or Servant of the Devil.
34Adamlee77 9 months ago 2
I dont know where you are getting your sources from, but muslims explicitly say that there is no diety worthy of worship except allah (the arab word for god), the same god as jesus, moses, abraham, noah... You cannot be a muslim unless you believe in all of these prophets as well. If an illiterate man who never had any ability to even write or read, or a Christian background, isn't it possible that he is a prophet? None of this moon worship stuff !!
defguy319 9 months ago
Muhammad plagiarized stories from the Bible and then he took the pagan moon god Allah that his family worshiped and tried to join them together! Islam is a Pagan religion do the research
kdcox1205 9 months ago
John 20:28 "Thomas answered him, 'My Lord and my God'." This guy obviously does not know Greek. The Greek phrase (transliteration) is "O kurios mou kai O Theos mou". O is the article which separates both Lord and God as not being an adjective to each other "godly Lord". Mou means "of mine" or "my". Kai means "and". Literally means "The Lord of mind and the God of mine". There is no other way to translate that in Greek. Lets just face the facts...the Bible is not compatible with the Quran
MrSpiritBorn 11 months ago
You said "high quality"... you lied.
2nDoppelganger 11 months ago
prophets spoke in metaphors. this dialect is also found in poetry. if the reader would to take a metaphor as literal, his / her perception will get lost. ie., it's so cold that the trees are drinking hot tea. obviously trees don't drink hot tea. unfortunately, there are people that might take my poetic expression of the cold weather as literal. the scriptures are filled with metaphors and without discernment, the gullible will develop faith that can block the explained metaphor.
great video.
afterray 1 year ago
The crucifixion is not unanimous?? Well, I guess 99.99% is not technically unanimous but there are more scholars who think Muhammad didn't exist than think the crucifixion didn't happen
agnostaxian 1 year ago
His statement about Hitler in heaven (because it does not matter) shows how much he dosen't know anything about Christianity and only wanted to convince his followers to believe such a bulloney! -1 for Dr Badawi. No offence for the muslims who will read this.
axe414 1 year ago
I find it difficult to respect this man and this part of the disussion. Dr. Craig had his speech ready and intact and spoke. This man is merely speaking on what Dr. Craig spoke about and his mission is to tear it down. He is speaking defensively and offensively. Did he not have a speech ready and intact on which he was going to present that stands alone? He is very weak.
cutenu2 1 year ago
Damn not circular but infinite. :E But I am only ...human ;)
scrap222666 1 year ago
Cause and effect question, I will happily word my opinion. Seeing how everything so far in our known world applies to this formula I believe it. This causes a circular argument of how was the universe created, and how was the thing that created the universe created and how was the thing ...etc. Now you do of course realize this applies to god too? Who created god? Besides you made it even worse. Instead of ? - > universe -> us , you got ? - > god - > universe -> us.
4 instead of 3.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 well by definition we know the universe was created, i'e the big bang. ao we know it has a begining already. so you can't say the universe has been around for ever.
if everything that was created has a creator then we would not be in the present time of 'today'
So there has to be a starting point which is uncaused outside of the realms of science. because science follows cause and effect.
God by definition has no begining.
the universe by definition has a begining.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Yes the universe hasn't been forever. Outside the realm of science you mean the famous "outside time and space" argument? If god is outside human realm of space and time why the fuck do we need him then? :D We already established that the Quran was a subjective book. Now I ask you another question, if god can be outside time and space why not another unknown process? Again this is the realm of metaphysics, outside time and space. Why not the predecessor of universe be there?
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 lol have have no way near established that the quran is subjective, so try again.
we need god because of the laws thats created. we obviously can't live by the man made laws that always keeps chaging, not to mention the laws you stole from the catholics.
exactly there is a predecessor of the universe which created time, matter and space. we call that god, with the laws, signs and miracles which is reveald in the quran
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Funny, I do not recall that metaphysical "no time and space" world has any way to contact our universe. How did you establish a link between our world and a place beyond? Quran was written by Muhhamed, a human who was subjective to his skill of writing, understanding etc. Thereby Quran was written subjectively. Catholics eh? :) Do you know that before catholics there was a place called Rome and their gods? Did the have no morals? Even before Rome there was religion.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 You shoud ask your self what the link is between the metaphysical world and our universe as you're the one who thinks our universe came about by complete accident and complete chance. our universe is so finely tuned with great design but simple a accident according to u.
as i said the quran has many miracles that a man would no be able to predict over a thousand years ago.
yes you stole alot of your morals from religion to begin with, so u have no morals of your own
cinista2002 1 year ago
@scrap222666 You shoud ask your self what the link is between the metaphysical world and our universe as you're the one who thinks our universe came about by complete accident and complete chance. our universe is so finely tuned with great design but simple a accident according to u.
as i said the quran has many miracles that a man would no be able to predict over a thousand years ago.
yes you stole alot of your morals from religion to begin with, so u have no morals of your own
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Stealing morals from religion? I am sorry but as far as I know, I don't hate gays, I don't sacrifice people/animals, I don't condem the use of condoms, I don't approve slavery. What kind of moral base is that? You say religion gave me morals, I say religions were founded upon morals that "my ancestors" gave to the system. Most of theist morals are far outrageous, oh also I don't stone people to death. If my mother was a crackwhore who wouldn't care for me I would not respect her.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 Yes you stole alot of morals from the catholics but u changed it over time, i'e how it was illigal to be gay about 50 years ago but now men can marry eachother. so its clear u have no objective morality only which you stole from other and change dit over time.
you can't rule out that killing an innocent person can be acceptable in another 500/1000 years.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 If only god is holding you off from killing innocent people I pray for you. 500-1000? I doubt it but as I don't know the absolute truth it can or won't happen, those are the two options. Personally I don't see it happening. Islam stole it's morals from the earlier Christian faith and bible. Look it up. Therefore you are just as moral as I am. If I "stole" my morals from a man made religion then I can confidently state that islam stole it's morals as it copied stories etc from bible.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 if your refutation is the islam stole its morals from christianity then i can see how much of a tough time you're haveing to refute me. you obviously don't understand the abrahamic religions where jews, christians and muslims have alot of similarities. but you being an atheist and following morals from the catholics is totally different.
i'm glad you finally exceed the point of you having no objective morality.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 If you are saying I have no morals I can see how much of a hard time you are having to refute me. I am saying morality systems predate religion. First there was morality.
Besides I want my changing morals rather than Islam who are:
Verse 4:34 wife beaters ";and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them;"
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 religion is a gradual process. it was not here from the begining in its entirity. you obviously haven't got a clue.
morality predates religion lol lol. oh man what a joker you are.
go and do research on historical religion and what it really is. religion has always been around but people also followed their own ideologies.
i donn't even know why your quoting me referances, you have no objective morality so its poinltess coming from you
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002
"And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of God; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of God; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may God destroy them; how they are turned away!"
So jews and christians are evil?
"Those who believe, the Jews, Christians and Sabians - any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord. They need not fear, nor shall they grieve"
Or no
scrap222666 1 year ago
@cinista2002 So now we have shown how contradicting your "morality" ground is you wife beater jihadist. Great way to justify such things, god wills it. You are a coward for going against women. Besides I have also shown how christians and jews are shown as evil and then they are good again. Will you laugh at this contradiction also? Well this "laugh" only shows you have no answer so you are beaten. 1 atheism 0 islam.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 wife beating is a contradiction? lol lol are u being serious. do you even know what the term means? look it up on a dictionairy lol.
so what if someone is good and evil. they still have objective morality.
man you really are struggleing here.
before you award youself a point, how about you figure out how the universe exactly came into exsistance? why don't you do that first before you award athiesim 1 point lol lol.
from what i see you have no points because you have no clue.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Answer this contradiction first...
a)"And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of God; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of God; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may God destroy them; how they are turned away!"
b)
"Those who believe, the Jews, Christians and Sabians - any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord. They need not fear, nor shall they grieve"
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 Lol. this is getting more amusing. i'm a muslim! why should i have to answer a queation about the texts of jews and christians lol lol.
how about you find a jew and a christian and ask them.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Perhaps because it is taken from the Quran. You don't even know or haven't researched your own passages!? I know more than you about the Quran? Please stop avoiding. Actually I can answer instead for you, Scrap I am avoiding the answer because you found a literal contradiction where one passage grants access to heaven for jews, christians but the other says they should be destroyed. I now see that my faith is made up and I agree that atheism wins.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 you realy are stupid. i said thats what the jews and christians believe so ask them. its adressing the jews and the christians, so how isit a contradiction. it means there are good and bad within those religions. remember not all christians believe jesus is the son of god.
its basic knowledge. and think thats a cintradiction lol lol
this is really funny.
your argumenst is so weak, its beyond belief.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@scrap222666 For you to say that u agree that atheism wins, i would have to also make that claim, but i didnt, so how can you agree?
you're loosing it now...seriously.
First try to figure out how the universe can into exsistance, then start awarding points lol lol.
actually you get points deducted for not knowing lol lol. so you have -1 lol lol lol
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Yet you don't answer the obvious contradiction. I have asked you two times and I am asking you the third time. You obviously have gone into denial and replying with personal offenses or mere gibberish.
Please, search your Quran for those passages I gave you and answer me how does saying "destroy jews, christians" not contradict with "jews, christians get into heaven".
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 I would be happy to answer you. give me both of the referances you claim to be contradictions.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Thanks :)
9:30 and 2:62
9:30 states Christians and Jews are to be destroyed stating how perverse they are.
2:62 however states that Christians and Jews actually can go to heaven if they believe in their god.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@cinista2002 My source is word by word Arabic translation. Go to corpus.quran.com and from left menu choose word-by-word Quran. They translate every verse and give each meaning to the word.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 this is very easy actually. Sura 9:30 is talking about associating partneres with god ( i.e sons of god) are going to hell. thats very cleay.
and sura 2:62 is talking about THOSE 'jews' and 'christians' who believe in god, and the last day and live a rightous life day will be saved.
as i said many early christians expecially during the time of the prophet only believed in one god without sons and daughters. i.e uniterian christians.
this is actually the basics.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Associating partneres with god? Can you rephrase this. I'm not native English speaker and can't understand the meaning that clearly.
Also THOSE 'Christians' aren't really christians then. Christianity is founded and differentiates itself in the belief that Jesus Christ (Christianity=Christ) was the embodiment of god. We might speak of different meanings if you think there are Christians that don't believe in Jesus and resurrection. It says wa-alladhīna hādū wal-naṣārā. Christians..
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 Associating partners with god means that you believe in more then one god or believing that god has a son or daughter.
also remember that christianity has evolvoed over the years.
but the quranic verse is specifivally talking about those christians and jews who say that god has a son.
but there are some christians who don't believe god has a son, but they are rightout people who believe in one god, even if they eat meat and so on.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 wa-alladhīna hādū wal-naṣārā . How can you say it is not referencing to Christians? And if you are saying those Christians who don't believe in Jesus being son of god and embodiment of god, there are none! Christianity is based on belief of Jesus, there are no other options. Unitarianism is a totally other faith, it's not Christianity. If Quran wrote Unitarianism then I would understand. Do you understand that the word Christianity means accepting Jesus? There are no other ways!
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 i strongly disagree with you. i have met some christians that believe jesus is not the son of god.
some catholic christians believe mary is the mother of god and they worship her.
it depends how u define christianity. in terms of the quran, it recognises.
i suggest you read abot of history. many early christians didnt believe jesus was god or he was the son of god.
so i repeat, there are uniterian christians who believe in one god.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 You are saying to me 'Islam' users who drink, eat meat, believe that jesus christ resurrected can be considered Islam believers. You can't refer to 'Islam' if you take away Allah for example. The word has totally no meaning.
THIS IS TOTALLY A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT AND FALLACY. Read on such a thing, you suddenly substituted a 99% part of Christianity and still called in Christianity. I sense you can't really understand words. If I go north. I do not mean 'North'. Quran does not say ''
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 yes i am saying there are christians who do not drink alcahol and are rightous people and the quran is talking about those.
i don't see the problem. a muslim is allowed to marry a christian or jewish woman. so islam is acceptable those christians or jews.
there is no contradictin. it makes a clear distinction between them both
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 But Quran says word by word. Allah Destroy them, how deluded are they[Christians and Jews]. Then verse 2:62 states the very same Christians and their Lord are righteous. Do you understand that when such a sentence as "There is a dog." you can't say that dog is not a dog and that dog is a cat. Pretty first grade logic imho. You seem to have a hard time grasping that Christian mean Christians, not dogs or horses or cats. The word Christian refers to Christians.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 i understand it when it says THOSE who obey god, believe in the last day and are rightout are saved. its so easy to understand.
you seem to find it hard to understand that not christiansbelieve jesus to be a diety.
they believe that the 'father' is the only diety not jesus.
it doesnt say all christians will be saved only those who are rightous. whtas so hard to understand that.
its so easy and simple lol. what more can i say.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Quran says Christians, Christians believe in Jesus Christ.
How about this?
2:160 wa-anā l-tawābu l-raḥīmu .4:168-9 lam yakuni l-lahu liyaghfira lahum
Again no controversy? Acceptor of Repentance and most merciful suddenly changes his mind and says no forgiveness and he will guide them away. How can acceptor of repentance and most merciful not accept repentance and show mercy? Is he not most merciful? Clearly he does not accept those peoples forgiveness.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 yes christians believe in jesus christ, but not all christians believe he is god. i have met a uniterian christian. so you need to understand that first.
so there is no contradiction. that was a very weak attempt.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Uniterian Christian is not a Christian do you understand that? If Allah would of wrote Uniterian Christians I would understand, no. He wrote pretty clearly Christians. Christians as you just said believe in Jesus Christ. Jesus is like Allah to Christians, if you take that away they are not Christians but something else. Like Uniterian Christians. You don't think a cellphone is a phone in a cell now do you? The word Christian in Uniterian does not mean they are Christians.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 no you havent got a clue of what you're talking about.
there are triniterian christians and uniterian christians. some see jesus as god but also some see jesus as just a man. do your research.
christianity has evoled over the years and its just a lable now.
most christians used to believe in the trinity, but now some christian scholars say the trinity is not even in the bible.
its what lable that has evolved over the years. you lack basic knoledge.
cinista2002 1 year ago
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@scrap222666 some christians believe in the original sin and the ressurection of jesus, but they don't believe jesus is the son of god.
are you trying to tell me they're not christians?
your definition and the qurans definition of christians is just different.
but you lack basic knowledge so its alrite.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Are you going crazy? I am reading the Quran "those who became jews and Christians. CHRISTIANS. THOSE WHO BECAME CHRISTIANS AND JEWS. THOSE. WHO. BECAME. CHRISTIANS. What is so hard to understand? How can Christians refer to many things? Are you stupid? I am talking to a child. You can't understand that CHRISTIANS=CHRISTIANS.
If I say but all Islam believers don't believe in Allah you would say then they are calling themselves wrong and are not Islamist. Quran says Christians...
scrap222666 1 year ago
@cinista2002 It's very nice that you know all the different forms of religion that broke off from Christianity but I am sorry to say Quran says Christians. There is a reason why Christianity is Christianity. You can't refer to non Christians with the word Christians who don't believe in Christ, Jesus Christ. That is absolute stupidity. How can you say and those Islamist who don't believe in Allah? They are not Islamist then. Logical fallacy.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 as i already said you have very little knowledge of christianity.
there are some christians who believe that the father is god, they believe in the original sin, and they believe in the ressurection, but they dont believe god has a son.
are u telling me they're not christians?
don't make me laugh.
go back and do some research and then come back. your arguments are the weakest anyone has ever said.
its lame and pointless. i refuted all your lame points already.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 What are you talking about? God has a son? No one says that. "as i already said you have very little knowledge of christianity." You say that to me yet you don't know what son of god means. Oh my god really? I have very little knowledge yet you don't know what son of god means. Please read a little before debating. No wonder half the things fly over your head.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 i think its you who hasn't got a clue. christians believe jesus is the begotton son of god and part of the god head. so you should go back and do some more research.
its a waste of time with your silly nonsensical contradictions.
cinista2002 1 year ago
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@cinista2002 Ok my mistake no the first 2, you won. Now answer this one:
24:45-6 Allah created every moving creature from WATER.
25:54-5 And he the one who has created from the WATER HUMAN BEING.
38:71-9 Indeed going to create a HUMAN BEING from CLAY.
55:14-4 And he created MAN from CLAY.
96:2-4 He had created MAN from a CLINGING SUBSTANCE.
What is it then? Allah seems to be confused. ;)
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 Allow me to answer this:
Man was created by a mixture of clay and water, this is in hadith and a verse in the Qur'an I believe.
The 'clinging substance' you refer to is 'alaqah, or a 'chewed like substance' which refers to the very early stage of embryonic development in the womb.
hookguy123 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Like I said before(below) son of god does not mean literally god's son as you pointed out and showed your ignorance against other faiths. It's a figure of speech from the Bible. In a sense were all gods sons as he was the original father. It means closeness. From that I can tell you are taking arguments from air. So I will answer, Yes those are not Christians. Christians are Christians. Quran used the word "CHRISTIANS" to represent both saved ones and destroyed ones- Contradiction.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Why does it even matter if you can't understand that Christians mean Christians. Quran said a word "Christian" in both passages, therefore it contradicts. Christians get to heaven. Christians get destroyed. Dog dies, dog lives. I live, I don't. Clear as a day. If you use the very same word Christian in two place for other meaning it contradicts.
scrap222666 1 year ago
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@scrap222666 it's you who doesnt understand that theres many forms of christians, and if you don't understand that then its your problem not mine.
it specifilcaaly said THOSE WHO who believe in god, and the last day and are rightous. so get that right.
you're useless and lame. you bring the stupidest contradiction ever lol. its just amusing to me.
i'm not going to waste my time on other silly contradiction if we can't agree on the previous 2.
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 One thing is clear. We can't make up our case on these points. I claim Quran contradicts. You say it does not. I will bring you the next contradiction.
24:45-6 Allah created every moving creature from WATER.
25:54-5 And he the one who has created from the WATER HUMAN BEING.
38:71-9 Indeed going to create a HUMAN BEING from CLAY.
55:14-4 And he created MAN from CLAY.
96:2-4 He had created MAN from a CLINGING SUBSTANCE.
What is it then? Allah seems to be confused. ;)
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 did any of the verses say ONLY FROM? or are you assuming he said ONLY FROM? a Computer is created from Metal, Sand, Gold, Copper and Plastic which is also From Petrol, Carbon and Hydrogen. if I say computers are created from thes am I confused? it seems you are confused because Allah Does not say ONLY FROM when he does we can agree. until then your argument is futile.
szuhbi 1 year ago
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 Do you need Copper to Create a Computer as you know it? YES OR NOT ANSWER. if no I want to you to prove through science that you do not use copper to create anything inside a computer. Just copper I dont your other crap your going to throw in there and nor do I want any of your candy either.
szuhbi 1 year ago
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 Ok your body is over 80% Water and no where does it say God Created Man from WATER ONLY. Until you can provide that verse then you lack basic understanding of english. are you that messed up? have you been reading about the Trinity again?
Also the compounds in your body are the same as those found in Dirt or clay that is a fact your also created from that did god say he only created Man from that NO. It does not. Plus what did you want a Human Recipe like a cook book. your lost.
szuhbi 1 year ago
@szuhbi If I make a statement "I won the game" " I lost the game" these statements contradict. By your logic I played 2 games and we should combine the results, no!
If I say "Man made from water" "Man made from clay" I contradict.
"A made from B" "A made from C" Nowhere does it say in those statements that man was made from many things. If I need to add human input and interprit with subjective knowledge it would contradict the "A made from B" statement still as it only contains 1 ingredient
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 How did your analogy come to that, First of all you WON A GAME and LOST, Winning and losing are opposite of each other but water and clay are not opposite of each other so here goes your theory, Clay is not Opposite to water nor is water Opposite to Clay and thet can both exist at the same time. Try again buddy.
szuhbi 1 year ago
@szuhbi Maybe I played 2 games. This is the point. You are adding subjective knowledge.
Quran claims 1thing water made 1 thing human. No where does it say in that statement that other components are involved. You are adding and skewing the readable statement that "Oh by the way, man is not made by water, actually it takes other stuff". I read the Quran, I don't need your input. The Quran contradicts.
scrap222666 1 year ago
szuhbi 1 year ago
@scrap222666 Looks to me like you fucked yourself with your last answer only to realise you had to say ok maybe I did play to games HAHAHAHAHAHA, you didnt think I would pick that one did you.
Also it is stupid to assume things are not there unless other wise. this is like saying the continent of north America has USA. Does it mean it only Has USA you knob?
See the problem is you cannot understand simple english. thats all it is really. Reading should also include understanding too.
szuhbi 1 year ago
@scrap222666 I can call you a Human and an Idiot right? I can call you an idiot too, does that mean you are not human? come on tell me it does.
Because according to your bullshit logic you cannot be Human and an Idiot at the same time? But you have displayed that to me so I guess your behaviour is illogical according to you?
szuhbi 1 year ago
@szuhbi I get the point you are trying to make clear as day. Your argument is that the statements don't contradict as they all "ingredients" of some sort. Only problem is you are making this assumption out of thin air. No where does it say that these are the ingredients. Stop putting human input into the words of Quran, Quran is holy not you. And Quran contradicts. If I say "I made man out of dust" , "I made man out of water" I contradict. Quran is using the word created, no middle ground there.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@szuhbi Same way I could say "I made/created sandwich out of bread and butter" "I made/created sandwich out of cheese and bread" Well what is it then? Did I create both of these sandwiches? As I have not mentioned too sandwiches I contradict just like the Quran.
You are inserting human input thinking "oh ofcourse you made two sandwiches". If you plainly read the Quran it contradicts.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 No where did you say only of that. your statements are both correct.
you can also say I placed the bread first in my sandwich? isnt that a step also?
Why do you assume your talking about 2 when you never said 2? I will not be saying you made 2 sandwiches now would I since you never said you did.
szuhbi 1 year ago
@scrap222666 Where did you say I made this sandwich and then I made another? you can have a sandwich which is bread butter and cheese. Listen you are making a very stupid arguments and you keep on defeating yourself.
Tell me if you were to tell me I made the sandwich by placing the bread first. Does that make your statements wrong? NO It does not and if anyone said it is they are Idiots.
szuhbi 1 year ago
@scrap222666 Try this one on
The earth is made from water
The earth is made from Stone
Earth was formed from volcanos
Earth was formed with other planets.
None of these statements contradict
Earth was made over 5 Billion years.
I Can say you are talking about the same earth but if you told me the earth was only made from
and then you state the other I would then deduce using logic that you are talking about another earth.
szuhbi 1 year ago
@szuhbi Oh I want to reply to the Earth one too. Firstly Earth was not made from either water or stone. It was made of gas and space dust. Water and stone came a lot later. Secondly this is why I brought the "I won a game" "Lost a game" argument in.
I won a game.
I lost a game.
These do not contradict as when you add/read them together it would be "I won and lost a game" making it two games. Same with your argument. In their single form they contradict as just as Water only did not make Earth.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 So your telling me that Earth can also be said to be made from gas and dust. ok then at what stage is that? or are you telling me that Earth is not made from water? Is water a content of Earth?
Also what about the sandwich what happened there
See you want to assume it is a single form why do you do that? because of your prejeduce
who is adding a human input now?
szuhbi 1 year ago
@scrap222666 See now you are telling me about what came later. Listen pal your arguments are not good enough. Many scholars like and Learned Men who critisize the Qur'an never went the path you are going. it is used by the Missionaries . and these arguments have been refuted. you still maintain contradiction without proof and none of the sentences you chose in Qur'an are opposite to each other. anyways I think I proved my point.
szuhbi 1 year ago
@scrap222666 When you look at your arguments it appears you are confirming what I said. Unless you are trying to imply that the steps to making a sandwich which there is not it is a fallacy to assume there is not. Here is an example
When I went to London 10 years ago I got a stamp on my passport saying approved for entery
When I went to london last year I got a stop saying you cannot claim dole. Benefits
can you say I only got one stamp the last time I went?
szuhbi 1 year ago
@scrap222666 Cont
from my last comment when did the Law of Claiming dole appear based on what I told you only? Was it after my first trip? before my first trip?
szuhbi 1 year ago
@scrap222666 I like your sandwich analogy?
I made The sandwich from bread and butter
I made The sandwich from Cheese, Beef and lettus
I made The sandwich from organic contents
I made The sandwich from meat
I layed the bread of the sandwich first
I layed the bread of the sandwich last
I layed the beef in the sandwich
Which statement is contradictory? Tell me where did I put the beef? on top of the lettus or under it?
szuhbi 1 year ago
@szuhbi I think we came to a conclusion of some sort actually. I am saying you are putting in human input to interprit the Quran is wrong as you are not objective(every person is subjective seeing colors differently, hearing, thoughts etc). If we view these statements they all contradict. I have to use my human input to think you made several sandwiches or a big one. However your text does not say that. So it is basically your word against mine if these were the texts.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@szuhbi That is why I started using the stupid A=BC, mathematically speaking if you just viewed the texts they contradict just as yours. Now add human input and we mess it up as we skew them with our subjective mind. The proof to that is all the different break aways of Christian and Islamic faiths. They all interprit some parts differently.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 I dont know what are you on about. who is adding what? you are adding the contradiction because you are adding an exclusive Clause. Oh seriously dude you really need to speak to masters in english and logic about this and see what they say. This exclusive clause you are adding is your prejiduce and they will tell you what.
There no Exclusive claim made by the Qur'an if you find one SHOW ME.
I hope you know what the term exclusive means
szuhbi 1 year ago
@szuhbi Yes I am the one having trouble with understanding English. Yes there are absolutely positively 100% no contradictions in the Quran, Quran also has scientific facts in it that were first presented, you guessed it- Quran. Quran also proves itself to be a holy text as it's prophecies have become all true, yes they have! Have a good day sir. I am done with you. (I bet you will also be the last word bitch and post something after this post :) )
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 Your statements still do not say the Quran said it is only Made of that. you are trying too hard your making a fool of yourself. where here is an equation
A =BC
A contains in it B
A contains in it C
these statements are correct. your implying Man = Water only the Quran does not state that. you have no verse that says that so stop trying to add things to the Quran that do not exist to back up your argument. End of Conversation. unless you can bring that Proof your wasting time
szuhbi 1 year ago
scrap222666 1 year ago
@szuhbi Better parallel.
I got 2 candy.
I got 3 candy.
You:
Well clearly both statements are right as I got 5 candy.
Then your logic is very skewed if you think such statements are right in such a holy book. That is called bending the words. You are the one making the assertment as it states nowhere that "oh by the way, this thing called man is made out of other stuff too" . Basically you are going "oh by the way 2+3 is 5 so you have actually 5!" if I say I have 2, 3 ,5 clearly I contradict.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666 when you start to make sense then we can debate till then I suggest you explain what on earth you are trying to explain. I guess too much candy can be bad for you. looks like your getting a toothache and a headache.
poor lost soul.
szuhbi 1 year ago
@scrap222666 your second so called contradiction is even more funny. i dont know if it's even worth replying to.
sura 2:160 is talking about the BELIEVERS who sin but repent. those god will accept.
sura 4:168 is talking about the DISBELIEVERS who TRANSGRESS. they will not be saved.
so the 2 keys words are REPENTING and TRANSGRESSING.
NOW HOW ON EARTH IS THAT A CONTRADICTION?????
cinista2002 1 year ago
@cinista2002 Your use of Straw Man argument knows no bounds. What Quran are you reading as I am reading the word-by-word one. No where in the 2:160 it says BELIEVERS who sin. You are adding words, it does not mention belief in this segment at all. Only disbelief who will die again. not one word of BELIEF, want me to spell it out for you and copy each segment word by word? You are already not telling the truth. It simply says those who repent and reform. All believers and non-believers.
scrap222666 1 year ago