the white belt trains at 10th planet bjj. It woud be nice if he used the oppertunity to try and judo throw the guy so we could see some counters/combos instead of him trying to drag it down to the ground everytime. i mean:
1st round: He pulls rubber guard..
2nd round: Attempts flying submisssion, transitions to butterfly guard and attempt a lapel choke. That fails so he tries a triangle choke.
3rd round: Another failed flying submission attempt.
lol the tv presenters obviously do not know judo that well... i did judo and if you use your opponents force you can beat him in under 10 seconds :D still this was pretty intertaining :P
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@BloodofPatriots But the Kosen Judoka will win the fight, remember before kosen judo, was called Fusen Ryu.
I been practice this arts for over 35 years, with former sensei hirata kanae, I fights against many bjj with they own rules and I beat them all. to be onest I´ll stick with Japanese Newaza.
In a real world/no holds barred/MMA type fight, the fight wouldn't end when ippon (takedown) is achieved. The BJJ fighter would gladly work from the ground/guard and go for other submissions. and also in a more realistic fight, striking would be allowed. In sport judo rules, the Judoka will win, but in a more realistic fighting mode, the BJJ'er will have a lot better chance.
@justin1138 In a real fight, that Uchimata throw (that Jason lost to) would break someones back or KO them for at least 5-10 seconds if not more. Those 5-10 seconds are MORE than enough to take action. Remember, tatami is soft, asphalt is hard. Secondly, in a street fight there are knifes, broken glass, sticks, bricks, etc ... being on the floor and trying to pull off a kimura might cost you your life. There's a reason why the military, police, etc state that you must ALWAYS keep standing.
no shit, if someone throws you uchimata you will loose the fight. It looks not hard, but it realy hurts. After a good made uchimata your opponent has enough time to get you in an arm bar or choke you (if this is necessary).
Furthermore judo contains many attacks from the ground, too. But all in all it would be a very interesting fight if a judoka and a BJJer fighted.
@justin1138 are you crazy lol any throw on asphalt will severely hurt especially a technique as hard as uchi mata + on the streets its never 1v1 BJJ is useless on the streets
I understand what Jason is talking about.....two students from Japan came to visit my local dojo....i decided i would try them out and call them for some randori....i was twice their size and i got thrown everywhere like a ragdoll over and over....by the end i was exhausted and unable to do anything, let me tell you, it's SCARY to be exhausted and know the guy you're sparring is about to throw you on your head from angles that you don't even see....they weren't as big or skilled as Okawa either
@learti1 How does he get those throws without securing the arm mand preventing it from becoming a base, or avoid his opponent from gripping with that free arm is my real question i guess.
While it's true Okawa was 'being very nice' to Jason, it's not so sure whether he'd win Jason in an MMA/BJJ contest. Sure, judo has good ground skills too, but seeing as how Okawa nearly got caught up in a triangle choke makes me wonder how'd a real BJJ match between the two would turn out. Honestly I think Jason would still lose, but at least I think it would be more of a 'fight'.
@gqmighty he might be an MMA fighter but on a Judo mat hes nothing why? in the short time he study, he don't have a solid stance, his grip was also weak. Also in Judo u don't hop, u slide.
He was only using flying armbars no judo technics.
but if okawa were to fight him in MMA he okawa would get ko fast.
for jason to be a real match against okawa he should learn in a couple of months not 1 week. its to short to get the basics of judo. took me a couple good months to get the basic throws.
@Ancestralwish I do like shows like this to learn the historical and philosophical facts about a martial art but the premise of facing off against someone who's been doing a specific martial art for most of their life after a week of doing parts of it... it's small wonder why Duff and Jason get turned into Sharkbait in 9/10 of the final fights.
4:02 - the reason Judo is so unique and brilliant, full contact contests, and if you lose, you adjust your Gi, and try again, with (usually) no injuries! This is simply impossible with any other Martial Art. I still don't know how Western, or Muay Thai boxers can ever train without injuries.
@christiansthename Pussy he is not. He only trains for a short amount of time, and he always goes against the black belts. He usually does pretty good esp for how little time he had to prepare
Judokas are excellent in the area of takedowns and takedown defence however their groundwork is usually horrible. For an example when i wrestle judokas i cant take them down easily, so i let them take me down, and then its piece of cake for me.
Sorry to disapoint you , but judokas do have have good ground work , it's just that some of them neglect it to only concentrate on the take downs , because judo competitions turns around the take downs more than the ground work !
@DillonKeogh So you're saying in an around about way that if it was not for the competition ,then Judo is equal to Ju Jitsu when it comes to groundwork.
And perhaps even superior because of it's prowess regarding takedowns!!!
@lordvivec87 thats odd. I play both BJJ and Judo, and with the gi, I don't have a whole lot of trouble with wrestlers if I can get grips. Because once one has the lapel and a sleeve its hard to surprise folks with a shoot.
C'mon a guy with 22 years of judo experience and a black belt? I don't even know his rank, but betya it's high. The judoka was just playing with him. My guess is he was giving it 30 %
Jason is such a dolt. Judo scores from the tachi waza and yet Jason keeps trying to go to the ground. This judoka exposes the gaping weakness in BJJ, the lack of sufficient standing throws.
Yes I know newaza scores just as well, but by the time Jason scores, Okawa would have thrown him several times already. He'd still win. Judo's trademark are its vast arsenal of throws, sweeps and takedowns. I really liked this episode alot but Jason kind of did a poor job of demonstrating what he learned.
Yea Jason did mention that he's going to try to go for the legs and takedown. Unfortunately Okawa's large gait and solid judo base was just too much to handle.
Right now, I am training in both BJJ and Judo (my instructor holds a black belt in both) so it's great to have such knowledge. To defend against takedowns and execute uchi mata over a hard concrete sidewalk...there's just something very appealing about that.
Bottom line is its never a bad thing to cross train. BJJ guys are so versed on groundwork it's inevitable to add standing tactics to the mix.
Okawa made it clear that he'd win over Jason using Judo strategy not Jiujitsu, and so he did. If you're talking about real life, it would really have to depend. Assuming it's one unarmed opponent, groundfighting is fine. But that's a leap of faith. He could draw a knife and sever my femoral artery and I'd be dead. Ground is the last place u wanna be.
No doubt wrestling is very important but I think the most important aspect of wrestling really is just the defensive parts of it, learning to sprawl and defend a take down. You can be a great wrestler and won't be able to take down a guy who has an ok take down defense. Where as great judoka or even average judoka would be able to throw most guys when they get tied up close and this happens so often in mma. Most guys don't even know what hits them when they get thrown.
I bet even if he did get the flying armbar, that he apparently missed by inches, the other guy would probably just pick him up. He was in complete control of his balance throughout the whole match. I seriously think if MMA fighters really wanted to have a big advantage they would learn Judo. Judo I think would be more effective and a better tool than wrestling.
thats not necessarily true. in judo you use the gi for tosses and throws. without a gi, your opponent gets slippery with sweat and its extremely hard to toss someone with sweaty arms. wrestling uses takedowns, not throws, that you can use without a gi. judo rocks but wrestling is key in MMA.
The reason I said Judo may be more effective in mma is because it's much harder to try and shoot in and take someone down, especially with the distance and chance of getting hit. Most great, even olympic caliber wrestler don't do well trying to take guys down, because there are so many factors limiting them. Just about every match guys get tied up and this is where judo is very effective, and where a lot of judokas take advantage.
ever hear of greco roman wrestling? some of the best mma fighters(couture, henderson, linlend) use greco roman wrestling which is takedowns from the waist up. when you toss someone in judo it leaves you in bad positions. wrestling has the base perfect for mma. All the top mma instructors say that wrestling is key in mma. who are we to argue with them. again, im not knocking judo all im saying is that wrestling is key for mma not judo.
Yes I have heard of greco roman wrestling, which is even less effective in take downs or throws and less effective in mma. Limits you even more than just freestyle. I do agree with you some judo throws can leave you in a vulnerable position but judokas in mma obviously are smart enough to not use them. A simple o-goshi throw will not leave you vulnerable. Also judo also teaches you the aspect of submissions and help you on your ground game.
they lose to juijitsu and judo guys all the time, fedor, loyoto machida, and gsp use judo and juijitsu and whoop couture, henderson, and lenlind constantly
I fought a Japanese visitor at the Dojo i attend, and the control he exhibited over me made me feel like a bitch during randori both tachiwaza and newaza, and i outweighted him by almost 100 lbs, Judo taught in the japanese way is no joke...and i think over the coming years it will make it's way further and further into the MMA arena.
In Japan some people says that it would be better to separate the Kodokan Judo from the Olympic Judo, because Olympic Judo is getting away from the Kodokan Judo base.
Jason was not being sized up in the 1st round, he was being played with or rather, Okawa was taking it very easy. A couple of very good techniques, uchimata, ouchigari and the last tai otochi were very well executed. The bigger opponent would have been easier to beat by this judoka!
No one wants to fall hard on concrete head on or shoulder first, neck " It'd be finished". There are good judokas on "Tashi- waza (standing techniques)out there just like "ne waza" End of story..
So, it's not just elegant; it is real business. And, that's without the use of sutemi; if on the other hand one gets choked or a jujigatami to its end, the arm snaps. Either ways "CAN'T FIGHT LIKE THAT". Kicking and punching and biting comes naturally to humans. The "GENTLE WAY" JUST ADDS ON TO IT AND IS ONE OF THE BEST BASE.
Judo as a whole is a complete discipline. It's a MARSHALL art and also a SPORT. Sutemi waza is the other feature of Judo which is not allowed in competition rules. And for selfdefense, a good "judo player" could inflict some serious damage with gi or without if you practice. Just take away the matt and a good projection (intense throw)lots of speed and momentum and it could let you criple. Depends how you land.
Listen, English is my third language, I speak four languages fluently, ok!! Just because I made a quick misspelled doesn't count for your "LESS OF A SHEEP'S BRAIN SHALLOW, POINTLESS COMMENT, END OF STORY, F**CK HEAD...
broomeblocker2, a real judoka wont be beat by a triangle ever? what the fuck are you talking about, ive beat a judoka with a triangle before, and many others have been beat by the triangle. it just depends on the fighters not the style...thats like when idiot wannabe karate-ka say that "no karate fighter will ever be taken down" when in reality it happens all the time, by judoka, wrestlers, jiujitsu fighters, etc
Matte is for when there is no apparent progress going on and none likely to happen. Essentially a stalemate. So if the ref had not called matte, the match could have sat there for minutes, with no progress.
Jason is mma fighter, his style is not use Judo is jujutsu, the two parts of Judo is stand and ground, you can be good at stand, and SUCK on ground, in Jasons case he is other way, good ground and suck when is stand. He was only use Jujutsu in mma when is on ground. So fight stand up he is most of time punch, kick. Jason is many good, but that guy was play Judo long time, and is master so... sorry Jason no pride LOL
this guy does not look like a fool to me, he is against a much more expireneced guy and he is trying some good moves. also the triangle is a bit harder with a gi on and the opponent was larger aslo, this makes it harder.
Furthermore, sometimes it takes some time to work a triangle on. If the ref is only giving you 10 secs before he calls matte you just don't have time to finish.
Exactly. I'm not sure if you've been watching the olympics, but I've been seeing matte called after about 2 - 3 secs even with guys who are known for working newaza and aren't stalling it out.
The judoka said at the end of the match that Jason's ground game was "good", so if he trains with judo in mind and tigtens up his standing techniques, then he would be a good judo plyer.
well chambers is a jiujitsu guy who mostly concentrates on his ground game. plus, his bjj teacher, eddie bravo is an anti-gi guy and judo is a martial art where it concentrates on the gi, and chambers admitted in a forward he wrote in eddie's book on the twister that he hates the gi.
yeah if you listen to chambers he said he could not escape the grip, I'll bet he's talkin' about how the master is so good with holdin' on to the gi, unlike other grappling styles
Ive always loved how they recieve 3 days of training and then go up against guys with 15-20 years of experience (most likely on a daily basis) and its supposed to look like an actual contest.
The show on Discovery Channel, while the exact same concept, makes this show look like crap.
whether an actual contest or not, "judo" is very complete, realistic and ,above all, scientifically designed. It's what you make of it (to different people) A calm, fearless judoka could inflict serious punishment to his/attacker.
Stupid guy in the blue didn't have a good posture!!!!! ANY GOT JUDOKA KNOWS THAT A GOOD POSTURE MEENS U HAVE BETTER BLALNCEA aND BLALANCE = STRENGTH!!!!!!!!
jason have bad posture
R3dTigerM40A3 3 weeks ago
Dude Okawa wen't easy on Jason. If you've ever seen 2 pro Judoka, doing some legit randori, you know what they are able to do! This is just for show!
BuecherFuerAlle 1 month ago
Should have used a leg lock ;) ....
fcuk4220 2 months ago
the white belt trains at 10th planet bjj. It woud be nice if he used the oppertunity to try and judo throw the guy so we could see some counters/combos instead of him trying to drag it down to the ground everytime. i mean:
1st round: He pulls rubber guard..
2nd round: Attempts flying submisssion, transitions to butterfly guard and attempt a lapel choke. That fails so he tries a triangle choke.
3rd round: Another failed flying submission attempt.
come on now
TheMythTheMagic 3 months ago
@TheMythTheMagic At no point does he use rubber guard...
amnkietzman 1 month ago
@amnkietzman
Sorry my mistake. Because his leg was so high up on okawas back i assumed thats what he was going for.
Again, apologies.
TheMythTheMagic 1 month ago
@TheMythTheMagic Wow uhhh.im taken aback...a respectful Youtuber. Um thank you : )
amnkietzman 1 month ago
O_O I wish he went hard.
TheHeadshotM 4 months ago
1:30
Okawa's thought:
"He actually made me sweat a little. Not bad."
FranzZdyb 5 months ago 2
lol the tv presenters obviously do not know judo that well... i did judo and if you use your opponents force you can beat him in under 10 seconds :D still this was pretty intertaining :P
eddypoux 7 months ago
Black belt was going easy on him. A black belt should be able to throw a white belt every 5 seconds.
holyheII 7 months ago
This is a no fight, the guy in the white judogi beats the guy in blue judogi completely. He won by three ippons. That should call a shut out.
alicesonwonderland 8 months ago
hahahah!!! he failed that tomoe nagi like a pro XP
rawrcupcakes007 8 months ago
hahahah!!! he failed that tomo nagi like a pro XP
rawrcupcakes007 8 months ago
is that inoue?
simonrhee3123 8 months ago
@simonrhee3123
looks like him, but no. He may be next inoue.
tmtmtmtm2002 8 months ago
@tmtmtmtm2002 ahh
simonrhee3123 8 months ago
Why the heck does the guy in the blue gi touch his knees during the rei?
RemusStelistu 8 months ago
i like porn
breakpinoy09 9 months ago
i really dont understand judo... pushing each others till sum1 falls down and then push him in the ground...? i just dont understand this ;\
PinGsamY 9 months ago
@PinGsamY you must be retarded
capitandelfuego 8 months ago
@capitandelfuego I second that.
RagingDemon89 8 months ago
@PinGsamY I don't understand football, guys just run and kick the ball?
severusthegod 7 months ago
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billslusser 9 months ago
JASON YOU SUCKSSSSSSSS......
rafaelmiqui 10 months ago
lol, the guy was grinning
korodon 10 months ago
I like judo very much, love the throws, well trips and reaps actually, more of a leg person.
I need to work on a some new throws, people already know what they expect when facing me in dojo.
95ellington 10 months ago
"I almost had a triangle."
"I went for a flying armbar...Missed him by inches."
What? LOL, more like missed by a mile.
andl 1 year ago 3
@andl
Hahahahahahhahahaha: i nearly cried laughing when he said "missed him by inches"
AdaAndJared 1 year ago
@AdaAndJared He did miss him by inches. Just by many inches.
RunicAxe 11 months ago 4
it was toooo slow! Man in white kimono just played with him :D
trkota 1 year ago
Typical Eddie Bravo student. The disdain for the gi is so palpable than when they put it on they're lost. That and his posture is terrible.
Dynaman21 1 year ago
Jason just reverted to his BJJ/wrestling training and didnt attempt any judo throws. Lame.
liljeffy28 1 year ago
@liljeffy28 Too bad Jason didn't take on Kosen judokas that specialize in newaza.
BloodofPatriots 1 year ago
@BloodofPatriots But the Kosen Judoka will win the fight, remember before kosen judo, was called Fusen Ryu.
I been practice this arts for over 35 years, with former sensei hirata kanae, I fights against many bjj with they own rules and I beat them all. to be onest I´ll stick with Japanese Newaza.
Samboussr 1 year ago
In a real world/no holds barred/MMA type fight, the fight wouldn't end when ippon (takedown) is achieved. The BJJ fighter would gladly work from the ground/guard and go for other submissions. and also in a more realistic fight, striking would be allowed. In sport judo rules, the Judoka will win, but in a more realistic fighting mode, the BJJ'er will have a lot better chance.
justin1138 1 year ago
@justin1138 In a real fight, that Uchimata throw (that Jason lost to) would break someones back or KO them for at least 5-10 seconds if not more. Those 5-10 seconds are MORE than enough to take action. Remember, tatami is soft, asphalt is hard. Secondly, in a street fight there are knifes, broken glass, sticks, bricks, etc ... being on the floor and trying to pull off a kimura might cost you your life. There's a reason why the military, police, etc state that you must ALWAYS keep standing.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
@justin1138
no shit, if someone throws you uchimata you will loose the fight. It looks not hard, but it realy hurts. After a good made uchimata your opponent has enough time to get you in an arm bar or choke you (if this is necessary).
Furthermore judo contains many attacks from the ground, too. But all in all it would be a very interesting fight if a judoka and a BJJer fighted.
Velatify 1 year ago
@justin1138 are you crazy lol any throw on asphalt will severely hurt especially a technique as hard as uchi mata + on the streets its never 1v1 BJJ is useless on the streets
TheObelix876 5 months ago
@PankrationWarrior He showed up to a gunfight with a knife. Or maybe he was totally unarmed.
PandawdyBob 1 year ago
This dude does not know what he's doing.
PandawdyBob 1 year ago
These Human Weapon fights are entertaining but you can definately tell in most of these experts are taking it easy. Nice promo though for Judo.
rocketsjudoka 1 year ago
@Brandontrann Tai Otoshi
allenmonroeiii 1 year ago
I understand what Jason is talking about.....two students from Japan came to visit my local dojo....i decided i would try them out and call them for some randori....i was twice their size and i got thrown everywhere like a ragdoll over and over....by the end i was exhausted and unable to do anything, let me tell you, it's SCARY to be exhausted and know the guy you're sparring is about to throw you on your head from angles that you don't even see....they weren't as big or skilled as Okawa either
roninjaja 1 year ago
@roninjaja WOW, that's real SCARY!!!!!!!
theman2017inc 1 year ago
"take a leg see how he reacts"
He would throw Jason that's how he would react
mmalegitimate 1 year ago
@mmalegitimate hansokumake!!!!!!!
yukiism 1 year ago
@yukiism touche touche
mmalegitimate 1 year ago
lol the judoka he was fighting didnt even try to attack him at the begging i could've thrown him 10 times until than
hawwhaw 1 year ago
"This match now boiled down to one thing....PRIDE".
Moron. You lose.
pyramidsofmars64 1 year ago
Perhaps proof that a really skilled judoka can beat a seasoned Ju Jitsu practitioner!!!!
theman2017inc 1 year ago
@theman2017inc - I think people who've had an interest in martial arts longer than UFC has been around would not doubt that in the first place
henh32 1 year ago
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Good point and perhaps proof that a really skilled judoka can beat a seasoned Ju Jitsu practitioner!!!!
theman2017inc 1 year ago
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Perhaps proof that a really skilled judoka can beat a seasoned Ju Jitsu practitioner!!!!
theman2017inc 1 year ago
I like the way the judo guy throws, he grabs both collars, I've never seen that grip, only collar and sleeve, anyone care to explain?
RightWingCon81 1 year ago
@RightWingCon81 he just prefers it that way...and there are some judo techniques that require you to grab both collars.
learti1 1 year ago
@learti1 How does he get those throws without securing the arm mand preventing it from becoming a base, or avoid his opponent from gripping with that free arm is my real question i guess.
RightWingCon81 1 year ago
@RightWingCon81 well i guess with an opponent like that...You can do everything you want...he is throwing him like in a demonstration...
learti1 1 year ago
While it's true Okawa was 'being very nice' to Jason, it's not so sure whether he'd win Jason in an MMA/BJJ contest. Sure, judo has good ground skills too, but seeing as how Okawa nearly got caught up in a triangle choke makes me wonder how'd a real BJJ match between the two would turn out. Honestly I think Jason would still lose, but at least I think it would be more of a 'fight'.
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@Apsi91 Good point and perhaps proof that a really skilled judoka can beat a seasoned Ju Jitsu practitioner!!!!
theman2017inc 1 year ago
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@Apsi91 Very good point and perhaps proof that a really skilled judoka can beat a seasoned Ju Jitsu practitioner!!!!
theman2017inc 1 year ago
Okawa wasnt fighting full out or that guy would been begging for mercy long time ago
StandupH2o 1 year ago
@StandupH2o you realize that jason chambers is a legitmate MMA fighter right?
gqmighty 1 year ago
@StandupH2o also...they are talking about how he "learned" a arm bar..well..trust me.this stuff...he already knew how to do.
gqmighty 1 year ago
@gqmighty he might be an MMA fighter but on a Judo mat hes nothing why? in the short time he study, he don't have a solid stance, his grip was also weak. Also in Judo u don't hop, u slide.
He was only using flying armbars no judo technics.
but if okawa were to fight him in MMA he okawa would get ko fast.
for jason to be a real match against okawa he should learn in a couple of months not 1 week. its to short to get the basics of judo. took me a couple good months to get the basic throws.
StandupH2o 1 year ago
By the basics i mean, Get your opponent off guard or off balance, before performing ur attack throw.
StandupH2o 1 year ago
@StandupH2o
Yes, it is obvious the Judoka was taking it easy. It would've been impolite to hurt the TV presenter.
henh32 1 year ago 33
Don`t want to be a dick but Okawa isn`t fighting. I`m a judo fighter. He`s just playing around.
Ancestralwish 1 year ago 17
@Ancestralwish I do like shows like this to learn the historical and philosophical facts about a martial art but the premise of facing off against someone who's been doing a specific martial art for most of their life after a week of doing parts of it... it's small wonder why Duff and Jason get turned into Sharkbait in 9/10 of the final fights.
zerostrung 1 year ago
@Ancestralwish Okawa was just playing around?
Then what would Okawa be doing if he was really "fighting" Chambers???
theman2017inc 1 year ago
4:02 - the reason Judo is so unique and brilliant, full contact contests, and if you lose, you adjust your Gi, and try again, with (usually) no injuries! This is simply impossible with any other Martial Art. I still don't know how Western, or Muay Thai boxers can ever train without injuries.
Andybaby 1 year ago
horrible
KyokushinkaiKubota1 1 year ago
the little guy was always a pussy and always lost.
christiansthename 1 year ago
@christiansthename Pussy? He won his MMA match. And i think he drew in his kali match.
Godsmasher22 1 year ago
@christiansthename Pussy he is not. He only trains for a short amount of time, and he always goes against the black belts. He usually does pretty good esp for how little time he had to prepare
FoieGras 1 year ago
Judokas are excellent in the area of takedowns and takedown defence however their groundwork is usually horrible. For an example when i wrestle judokas i cant take them down easily, so i let them take me down, and then its piece of cake for me.
lordvivec87 2 years ago
Sorry to disapoint you , but judokas do have have good ground work , it's just that some of them neglect it to only concentrate on the take downs , because judo competitions turns around the take downs more than the ground work !
DillonKeogh 1 year ago
@DillonKeogh So you're saying in an around about way that if it was not for the competition ,then Judo is equal to Ju Jitsu when it comes to groundwork.
And perhaps even superior because of it's prowess regarding takedowns!!!
theman2017inc 1 year ago
@lordvivec87 thats odd. I play both BJJ and Judo, and with the gi, I don't have a whole lot of trouble with wrestlers if I can get grips. Because once one has the lapel and a sleeve its hard to surprise folks with a shoot.
Godsmasher22 1 year ago
The moral of the story- Train with the gi. (Chambers is a 10th planet rep, which states the gi is worthless)
Dynaman21 2 years ago
When i was younger seeing adult black belts scared the shit out of me...
rushrox777 2 years ago
i dont know wut shitty blackbelts you ever fought but judo's grappling is 100x better than pankration
MrChickenFajita 2 years ago
lol that dumbass wrestler on the side yelling advice doesn't know shit...
lol he learned like 3 moves in a day and he wants to fight one of the best judoka in the world.
steelfalcon1120 2 years ago 3
Excellent Tai Otoshi at the end!
kosenjudo 2 years ago
hahaha that black belt is just playing with him..
Fail....
theredeemer6 2 years ago
Was that Tai Otoshi the end?
mattbodomtully 2 years ago
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i HATE JUDO
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casualty234 2 years ago
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this judoka is a absolute noob or it is just palyed!!!i think its a fake look how they are moving not fast enough for a real fight
fraudutt 2 years ago
C'mon a guy with 22 years of judo experience and a black belt? I don't even know his rank, but betya it's high. The judoka was just playing with him. My guess is he was giving it 30 %
reneepelsteeltje 2 years ago 4
No one can win against judo player in judo , however, nice video i enjoyed it good job guys :)
pianosoull 2 years ago 3
1. It was o-uchi gari not a leg sweep.
2. You missed him by yards
3. The triangle was miles off.
turismogamer 2 years ago
I like how Jason says "missed him by inches"...more like by a yard! p.s. Ogawa's Tai Otoshi was money!
yussefumaketse 2 years ago 4
This judoka is good. Good balance, concentration and very very smart.
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Lesnar is still the most badass fighter in the world. Period.
FightDPower 2 years ago
1. no he isnt. he is 3 and 1, nothing to be impressed about.
2. fedor the russian is the best in the world with 30 wins, 0 losses.
learn more about martial arts and then come back and talk again.
ketsuhayame 2 years ago 2
I just would like to see the two of them fight, that's all. Lesnar seems stronger, though he needs to improve his ground technique a bit.
FightDPower 2 years ago
Didnt he lose to nogueira via doctors stoppage?
DrGreenThumbs1 2 years ago
fuck you fight d power
U8Kamel 2 years ago
nice video! for me the judo is one of the most beautiful martial art in the world!
depkev 2 years ago 39
@depkev :-)
theman2017inc 1 year ago
that guy looked funny walking witjh hes arms in front of him like i whant a hug )
immba 2 years ago
Jason is such a dolt. Judo scores from the tachi waza and yet Jason keeps trying to go to the ground. This judoka exposes the gaping weakness in BJJ, the lack of sufficient standing throws.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Judo scores ground work too....such as pins and submissions. If he'd got an arm bar, he would have won.
But yes, most BJJ guys, under Judo rules against a judo guy will get tooled, because we don't have the take down prowess that they do.
Most BJJ guys have a great respect for judo and usually end up adding it to their training.
Of course, under BJJ rules judo guys don't do quite as well, though some are excellent on the ground.
allentate 2 years ago 3
Yes I know newaza scores just as well, but by the time Jason scores, Okawa would have thrown him several times already. He'd still win. Judo's trademark are its vast arsenal of throws, sweeps and takedowns. I really liked this episode alot but Jason kind of did a poor job of demonstrating what he learned.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
I agree, but I think it's a bit much to expect a week of training to prepare him to deal at all with a judo black belt.
I think he realized that his best chance was to take the fight to the ground with a sacrifice and try to utilize a bit of newaza to win.
allentate 2 years ago 2
Yea Jason did mention that he's going to try to go for the legs and takedown. Unfortunately Okawa's large gait and solid judo base was just too much to handle.
Right now, I am training in both BJJ and Judo (my instructor holds a black belt in both) so it's great to have such knowledge. To defend against takedowns and execute uchi mata over a hard concrete sidewalk...there's just something very appealing about that.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Fantastic, make sure you stick with it bro, two martial arts that perfectly complement each other. Good training buddy!
jiujitsuboy 2 years ago 3
thank you!
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago
Additionally, did you notice that the rules of judo stood them up when the black belt judo guy was in the beginning of a triangle choke?
Sure, he could have defended it....but he wasn't forced to do so. He just got to stand up and go back to where he was most comfortable...standing.
In BJJ (or real life) he wouldn't be allowed to stand back up like that.
allentate 2 years ago
Bottom line is its never a bad thing to cross train. BJJ guys are so versed on groundwork it's inevitable to add standing tactics to the mix.
Okawa made it clear that he'd win over Jason using Judo strategy not Jiujitsu, and so he did. If you're talking about real life, it would really have to depend. Assuming it's one unarmed opponent, groundfighting is fine. But that's a leap of faith. He could draw a knife and sever my femoral artery and I'd be dead. Ground is the last place u wanna be.
MikeUntstinks 2 years ago 2
Totally agree with cross training.
Also, I agree that the ground is not always the best place to be...even in a superior position.
Cross training is the best option.
Of course, that's what learning take down defense is for (keeping from going to the ground in the first place).
allentate 2 years ago
No doubt wrestling is very important but I think the most important aspect of wrestling really is just the defensive parts of it, learning to sprawl and defend a take down. You can be a great wrestler and won't be able to take down a guy who has an ok take down defense. Where as great judoka or even average judoka would be able to throw most guys when they get tied up close and this happens so often in mma. Most guys don't even know what hits them when they get thrown.
friendlee2007 2 years ago
I bet even if he did get the flying armbar, that he apparently missed by inches, the other guy would probably just pick him up. He was in complete control of his balance throughout the whole match. I seriously think if MMA fighters really wanted to have a big advantage they would learn Judo. Judo I think would be more effective and a better tool than wrestling.
friendlee2007 2 years ago
thats not necessarily true. in judo you use the gi for tosses and throws. without a gi, your opponent gets slippery with sweat and its extremely hard to toss someone with sweaty arms. wrestling uses takedowns, not throws, that you can use without a gi. judo rocks but wrestling is key in MMA.
moschetty 2 years ago
The reason I said Judo may be more effective in mma is because it's much harder to try and shoot in and take someone down, especially with the distance and chance of getting hit. Most great, even olympic caliber wrestler don't do well trying to take guys down, because there are so many factors limiting them. Just about every match guys get tied up and this is where judo is very effective, and where a lot of judokas take advantage.
friendlee2007 2 years ago
ever hear of greco roman wrestling? some of the best mma fighters(couture, henderson, linlend) use greco roman wrestling which is takedowns from the waist up. when you toss someone in judo it leaves you in bad positions. wrestling has the base perfect for mma. All the top mma instructors say that wrestling is key in mma. who are we to argue with them. again, im not knocking judo all im saying is that wrestling is key for mma not judo.
moschetty 2 years ago
Yes I have heard of greco roman wrestling, which is even less effective in take downs or throws and less effective in mma. Limits you even more than just freestyle. I do agree with you some judo throws can leave you in a vulnerable position but judokas in mma obviously are smart enough to not use them. A simple o-goshi throw will not leave you vulnerable. Also judo also teaches you the aspect of submissions and help you on your ground game.
friendlee2007 2 years ago
they lose to juijitsu and judo guys all the time, fedor, loyoto machida, and gsp use judo and juijitsu and whoop couture, henderson, and lenlind constantly
splitterofhole 2 years ago
sorry to disappoint you but machida uses karate, fedor uses sambo, and gsp uses kyokoshin karate and wrestling.
moschetty 2 years ago
karate and sambo both from judo... fedor, machida, gsp uses this to whoop wrestlers constantly
splitterofhole 2 years ago
Judo is a very good art. I've been taking it for 2 years now and where I learn at my Japanese sensei's are hardcore.
erick329 2 years ago
american had NO CHANCE.....
i wanna learn from the judo master
chillbrotha01 3 years ago
Feeling out his opponent...looks like feeling up his opponent!
YesIwatchthis 3 years ago
I fought a Japanese visitor at the Dojo i attend, and the control he exhibited over me made me feel like a bitch during randori both tachiwaza and newaza, and i outweighted him by almost 100 lbs, Judo taught in the japanese way is no joke...and i think over the coming years it will make it's way further and further into the MMA arena.
AusFalangist 3 years ago 4
In Japan some people says that it would be better to separate the Kodokan Judo from the Olympic Judo, because Olympic Judo is getting away from the Kodokan Judo base.
kappanisan 2 years ago
lol that sacrifice throw transition to armbar missed by miles not inches
Vash1202 3 years ago 20
Ok Vash
boylans 3 years ago
so true... there's no way, with the guy who had full control of his center, all those techinques would work against him
hgamer 3 years ago
@Vash1202 i was about to type that same comment
RightWingCon81 1 year ago
@Vash1202
100% agreed :P
s4mis4mi 1 year ago
Jason was not being sized up in the 1st round, he was being played with or rather, Okawa was taking it very easy. A couple of very good techniques, uchimata, ouchigari and the last tai otochi were very well executed. The bigger opponent would have been easier to beat by this judoka!
josecarlos1955 3 years ago
lol, the judoka did go light on him; i like this show,
LambdaDrS 3 years ago 3
3:35 - Epic tai o-toshi!
sorry009 3 years ago 2
3:28 is cathedratic; a perfect throw
LambdaDrS 3 years ago
No one wants to fall hard on concrete head on or shoulder first, neck " It'd be finished". There are good judokas on "Tashi- waza (standing techniques)out there just like "ne waza" End of story..
Fintolgano 3 years ago 4
So, it's not just elegant; it is real business. And, that's without the use of sutemi; if on the other hand one gets choked or a jujigatami to its end, the arm snaps. Either ways "CAN'T FIGHT LIKE THAT". Kicking and punching and biting comes naturally to humans. The "GENTLE WAY" JUST ADDS ON TO IT AND IS ONE OF THE BEST BASE.
Fintolgano 3 years ago
Judo as a whole is a complete discipline. It's a MARSHALL art and also a SPORT. Sutemi waza is the other feature of Judo which is not allowed in competition rules. And for selfdefense, a good "judo player" could inflict some serious damage with gi or without if you practice. Just take away the matt and a good projection (intense throw)lots of speed and momentum and it could let you criple. Depends how you land.
Fintolgano 3 years ago
fintolgano, martial, not marshall. dont be retarded.
chucknorrispranks 2 years ago
Listen, English is my third language, I speak four languages fluently, ok!! Just because I made a quick misspelled doesn't count for your "LESS OF A SHEEP'S BRAIN SHALLOW, POINTLESS COMMENT, END OF STORY, F**CK HEAD...
Fintolgano 2 years ago
Poor Jason Chambers lol :-)))
karnakun 3 years ago
HA HA 10th planet guy doing gi!
monji112000 3 years ago
I love how he says, I almost had the choke, more like he was almost past your guard, a real judoka won't be beat by a triangle ever
BroomeBlocker2 3 years ago
broomeblocker2, a real judoka wont be beat by a triangle ever? what the fuck are you talking about, ive beat a judoka with a triangle before, and many others have been beat by the triangle. it just depends on the fighters not the style...thats like when idiot wannabe karate-ka say that "no karate fighter will ever be taken down" when in reality it happens all the time, by judoka, wrestlers, jiujitsu fighters, etc
chucknorrispranks 2 years ago
Hahaha. E-pawn? I thought it was called ippon.
Thypical americans. Bad in other languages cuz they never learn another.
Flyingtart 3 years ago 4
after catching an episode of fight quest i can't sit through this garbage anymore.
jesdanrich 3 years ago
lol "missed it it by inches" no a mile.
meenjerk 3 years ago
i dont quite understand the rules.. why the fighter has to resume standing position? Jason could submit this guy twice..
greatgan84 3 years ago
Matte is for when there is no apparent progress going on and none likely to happen. Essentially a stalemate. So if the ref had not called matte, the match could have sat there for minutes, with no progress.
FlashEmperor 3 years ago
lmao he went for the tomoe nage when his opponent was standing still and perfectly balanced...that works...if you are fighting a bag of potatoes
peroslowned 3 years ago
Jason is mma fighter, his style is not use Judo is jujutsu, the two parts of Judo is stand and ground, you can be good at stand, and SUCK on ground, in Jasons case he is other way, good ground and suck when is stand. He was only use Jujutsu in mma when is on ground. So fight stand up he is most of time punch, kick. Jason is many good, but that guy was play Judo long time, and is master so... sorry Jason no pride LOL
Kaori303 3 years ago
that match boiled down to..... skill.....ahem I mean "pride" (sorry, Jason).
camiguin 3 years ago
this guy looks like a fool. all his throw-attemps he just falls... and if he's a jiu jitsu guy, he should have got that triangle in pretty easily.
ichujini 3 years ago
this guy does not look like a fool to me, he is against a much more expireneced guy and he is trying some good moves. also the triangle is a bit harder with a gi on and the opponent was larger aslo, this makes it harder.
AaronGreen 3 years ago
Furthermore, sometimes it takes some time to work a triangle on. If the ref is only giving you 10 secs before he calls matte you just don't have time to finish.
strokerman01 3 years ago
10 seconds?!? fuck your lucky, in new zealand your lucky if your given 6 with most refs but we make do :p
choppershota5 3 years ago
Exactly. I'm not sure if you've been watching the olympics, but I've been seeing matte called after about 2 - 3 secs even with guys who are known for working newaza and aren't stalling it out.
strokerman01 3 years ago
The judoka said at the end of the match that Jason's ground game was "good", so if he trains with judo in mind and tigtens up his standing techniques, then he would be a good judo plyer.
sullyb23511 4 years ago 2
well chambers is a jiujitsu guy who mostly concentrates on his ground game. plus, his bjj teacher, eddie bravo is an anti-gi guy and judo is a martial art where it concentrates on the gi, and chambers admitted in a forward he wrote in eddie's book on the twister that he hates the gi.
GrapplerJMo 3 years ago
yeah if you listen to chambers he said he could not escape the grip, I'll bet he's talkin' about how the master is so good with holdin' on to the gi, unlike other grappling styles
Riceratt 3 years ago
Judo Rules!
Verdux 4 years ago
He was toying with him like he was a white belt. You can tell he was told to hold back.
kcsskillacan 4 years ago 5
Ive always loved how they recieve 3 days of training and then go up against guys with 15-20 years of experience (most likely on a daily basis) and its supposed to look like an actual contest.
The show on Discovery Channel, while the exact same concept, makes this show look like crap.
cmitchell016 3 years ago
whether an actual contest or not, "judo" is very complete, realistic and ,above all, scientifically designed. It's what you make of it (to different people) A calm, fearless judoka could inflict serious punishment to his/attacker.
Fintolgano 3 years ago
Stupid guy in the blue didn't have a good posture!!!!! ANY GOT JUDOKA KNOWS THAT A GOOD POSTURE MEENS U HAVE BETTER BLALNCEA aND BLALANCE = STRENGTH!!!!!!!!
soth340 4 years ago 3
Yes, but he had only been traingin for three or four days! Take it easy! :-)
sullyb23511 4 years ago 2
oh rly? i thought he had been training for like ages lol.
soth340 4 years ago
LOL!
sullyb23511 4 years ago
omg!! i just watched the video again and i just relized theywere only white belts DOH!
soth340 4 years ago