@TREN2P26 That is the One Man Gang a one time UWF champion and Mid-South and World Class mainstay until the WWF stole him and turned him into, uhg, Akeem.
Can you honestly say you are 100 percent happy with the product wwe is putting out there at the moment, everything on raw was utter shit apart from the ending which was epic, how old are you btw and i repect that this is your opinion i might do a response to you top 100 lol
@LucidLJ No I'm not 100 percent happy with any of the product put out there. Much older than you I'm sure, and I think that would be fantastic if you put up your own top 100!
Also the length of danielsons roh title reign was 15 months and he had some of the best matches in his defense which i can say i have seen some but would love to see alot more, one example of a ***** star match is danielson vs kenta from glory by honor v night 2 2006 that is what wrestling is meant to be. Also is your list taking into consideration individual title reigns or combined ones?
I did see your comments, i mean i think the roh world title is the most prestiguis belt of rectn years because of the way wwe and the wwe and wcw hot shotted there titles every month or every couple of weeks and put the tiles on people who meant nothing couldnt wrestle or even draw to make money like vince mcmahon, vince russo and david arquette which was stupid, the honor of roh was that you would go out every show and bust your ass to defend the roh world title.
@LucidLJ I agree with you more than you know and those 3 will definitely not be on this list, I hate it when non-wrestlers "win" titles, especially the big ones. Also, I understand and enjoy what ROH is doing, but that doesn't mean that the WWE isn't doing well. The WWE is just different, and because of their success I would (with some regret) say that is what the general audience wants.
Right away when I see wrestlers of wwe are rated Higher than past wrestlers (when wrestling was MUCH better) I know you dont really have a system for ranking these guys. NO F"N way Mark Henry is better then Ron Simmons.
@milincoln IMO Mark Henry was a much better champion than Ron Simmons. Mark did surprisingly well as ECW champion. Ron has become a footnote in the WCW title lineage. I remember how much WCW tried to cram down everyone's throat that Ron was the first African-American world champion(which might be true for WCW, but there were other black men who held a world title, and were truly fighting segregation and prejudice when they did it.) I like Ron, but he was too green at the time to carry a company.
@wrestlgurl LMAO so Ron was crammed down your throat? Mark Henry has been sitting in WWE for more than 10 years now and has NEVER made it. So...... Ron was crammed down your throat? After a few months as Champ? As opposed to 10 + years of wwe SHOVING Mark down your throat? Also not to mention that at least Ron was over with fans as a heel when he was in Doom. Where as mark was over with fans when he was.......... fathering a plastic hand? IDK? wwe sucks big time these days
@milincoln I didn't say Ron was crammed down our throats. What I was trying to say was that they kept cramming it down our throats that Ron was "the 1st African-American World Champ", when there was much more to Simmons than simply being a black man. As for Doom, that had nothing to do with Ron as champion which is what this ranking is about. I understand that you don't like Henry, but I still feel he was a better ECW champ than Simmons was as WCW champion. I appreciate your opinion, though!!
@milincoln Point taken, but please understand for this ranking I'm only comparing them as champions. As far as whole careers, definitely Ron overshadows Mark. I was really surprised that Mark was as good an ECW champion as he was. Loved the big bad ass he portrayed, the new, much better looking belt, and Tony Atlas being his manager. I think Ron would have been better suited as a heel champion, myself. But, like you said it's all opinions. At least both were in the top 100. ; )
@LucidLJ I don't consider the ROH title to be a world title. The only time it came close in my mind was when Bryan held it, but in order to be on this list you have to have held one of the titles listed. Even the USWA title, which is probably the weakest of the titles I included, can take it's lineage back to the AWA title which in turn goes back to the NWA title. ROH doesn't have either of the 2 things required for me, a lineage back to the NWA, or a huge reach.
@wrestlgurl but at least the roh title means alot more then wwe title is nowadays and even more then wcw in there last few years danielson was a great champion and had some of the best title defenses and matches when he was champion, it was great to see hit spit in the face of a scum bag like cena and deserves the wwe push he is getting and so much more
@LucidLJ When you say ROH title "means more" than the WWE or WCW title, that's a far stretch. If that was the case Bryan would not be in the WWE. Ask him if he'd rather be the ROH champion or the WWE, and I am guessing he'd pick the WWE title!
@LucidLJ I will say I always welcome your insight and after your first comment, I re-thought my stand on ROH. I also want to say that the TNA world title is included(I knew I was forgetting to list one), and after talking to you and doing some more research(you're lucky for my research because your argument of f*ck that wasn't too compelling ; ) I am also including the ROH title. Now this doesn't mean that Bryan will be in the top ten, or even the top 100, but I am now considering it.
@wrestlgurl i apologise for my bluntness but he is one of the best wrestlers in the world today and i mean you say television era is kenta or any japense guys on this list, and tna is worth a mention too on this list, if angle, jericho or michaels is not top ten then i dont know what to say
@LucidLJ Nope this is just the US/Canada scene. There might be some Japanese wrestlers on this list if they held any of those titles, and yes TNA title is included, just forgot to list it. And remember this isn't about the "best" wrestlers, it's about the top world champions. You can be the greatest wrestler ever, but if you only held the title for 2 hours, you prolly won't be listed.
@wrestlgurl I also want to add that just because I am taking the ROH champions into consideration, a lot of this has to do with the power of the title they held to. The more prominent the belt, the better chance the wrestler who held has to be ranked high. In other words, not too many of the USWA champions will be listed too high, if at all, unless the held other world titles, because the USWA just didn't have the reach of say, a NWA(in it's heyday) or a WWE title do.
@LucidLJ I also want to add, that if Bryan Danielson is on this list, and that's a big "IF", atleast you know that he is above the guys listed so far : )
wHO'S # 97?
TREN2P26 1 year ago
@TREN2P26 That is the One Man Gang a one time UWF champion and Mid-South and World Class mainstay until the WWF stole him and turned him into, uhg, Akeem.
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
How long have you been a fan of wrestling?
LucidLJ 1 year ago
@LucidLJ All my life.
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
Can you honestly say you are 100 percent happy with the product wwe is putting out there at the moment, everything on raw was utter shit apart from the ending which was epic, how old are you btw and i repect that this is your opinion i might do a response to you top 100 lol
LucidLJ 1 year ago
@LucidLJ No I'm not 100 percent happy with any of the product put out there. Much older than you I'm sure, and I think that would be fantastic if you put up your own top 100!
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
Also the length of danielsons roh title reign was 15 months and he had some of the best matches in his defense which i can say i have seen some but would love to see alot more, one example of a ***** star match is danielson vs kenta from glory by honor v night 2 2006 that is what wrestling is meant to be. Also is your list taking into consideration individual title reigns or combined ones?
LucidLJ 1 year ago
I did see your comments, i mean i think the roh world title is the most prestiguis belt of rectn years because of the way wwe and the wwe and wcw hot shotted there titles every month or every couple of weeks and put the tiles on people who meant nothing couldnt wrestle or even draw to make money like vince mcmahon, vince russo and david arquette which was stupid, the honor of roh was that you would go out every show and bust your ass to defend the roh world title.
LucidLJ 1 year ago
@LucidLJ I agree with you more than you know and those 3 will definitely not be on this list, I hate it when non-wrestlers "win" titles, especially the big ones. Also, I understand and enjoy what ROH is doing, but that doesn't mean that the WWE isn't doing well. The WWE is just different, and because of their success I would (with some regret) say that is what the general audience wants.
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
Right away when I see wrestlers of wwe are rated Higher than past wrestlers (when wrestling was MUCH better) I know you dont really have a system for ranking these guys. NO F"N way Mark Henry is better then Ron Simmons.
milincoln 1 year ago
@milincoln IMO Mark Henry was a much better champion than Ron Simmons. Mark did surprisingly well as ECW champion. Ron has become a footnote in the WCW title lineage. I remember how much WCW tried to cram down everyone's throat that Ron was the first African-American world champion(which might be true for WCW, but there were other black men who held a world title, and were truly fighting segregation and prejudice when they did it.) I like Ron, but he was too green at the time to carry a company.
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
@wrestlgurl LMAO so Ron was crammed down your throat? Mark Henry has been sitting in WWE for more than 10 years now and has NEVER made it. So...... Ron was crammed down your throat? After a few months as Champ? As opposed to 10 + years of wwe SHOVING Mark down your throat? Also not to mention that at least Ron was over with fans as a heel when he was in Doom. Where as mark was over with fans when he was.......... fathering a plastic hand? IDK? wwe sucks big time these days
milincoln 1 year ago
@milincoln I didn't say Ron was crammed down our throats. What I was trying to say was that they kept cramming it down our throats that Ron was "the 1st African-American World Champ", when there was much more to Simmons than simply being a black man. As for Doom, that had nothing to do with Ron as champion which is what this ranking is about. I understand that you don't like Henry, but I still feel he was a better ECW champ than Simmons was as WCW champion. I appreciate your opinion, though!!
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
@wrestlgurl I never said I didnt like Henry, I love big Monster sized wrestlers. Im just saying No way he's better than Ron. IMO.
milincoln 1 year ago
@milincoln Point taken, but please understand for this ranking I'm only comparing them as champions. As far as whole careers, definitely Ron overshadows Mark. I was really surprised that Mark was as good an ECW champion as he was. Loved the big bad ass he portrayed, the new, much better looking belt, and Tony Atlas being his manager. I think Ron would have been better suited as a heel champion, myself. But, like you said it's all opinions. At least both were in the top 100. ; )
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
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funkyflashman 1 year ago
@funkyflashman He held the UWF World Title. Thanks for the comment!
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
fuck that danielson is better then everyone on your list so far, just cos its not main stream doesnt count then ????
LucidLJ 1 year ago
@LucidLJ I don't consider the ROH title to be a world title. The only time it came close in my mind was when Bryan held it, but in order to be on this list you have to have held one of the titles listed. Even the USWA title, which is probably the weakest of the titles I included, can take it's lineage back to the AWA title which in turn goes back to the NWA title. ROH doesn't have either of the 2 things required for me, a lineage back to the NWA, or a huge reach.
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
@wrestlgurl but at least the roh title means alot more then wwe title is nowadays and even more then wcw in there last few years danielson was a great champion and had some of the best title defenses and matches when he was champion, it was great to see hit spit in the face of a scum bag like cena and deserves the wwe push he is getting and so much more
LucidLJ 1 year ago
@LucidLJ See my above comments.
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
@LucidLJ When you say ROH title "means more" than the WWE or WCW title, that's a far stretch. If that was the case Bryan would not be in the WWE. Ask him if he'd rather be the ROH champion or the WWE, and I am guessing he'd pick the WWE title!
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
@LucidLJ I will say I always welcome your insight and after your first comment, I re-thought my stand on ROH. I also want to say that the TNA world title is included(I knew I was forgetting to list one), and after talking to you and doing some more research(you're lucky for my research because your argument of f*ck that wasn't too compelling ; ) I am also including the ROH title. Now this doesn't mean that Bryan will be in the top ten, or even the top 100, but I am now considering it.
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
@wrestlgurl i apologise for my bluntness but he is one of the best wrestlers in the world today and i mean you say television era is kenta or any japense guys on this list, and tna is worth a mention too on this list, if angle, jericho or michaels is not top ten then i dont know what to say
LucidLJ 1 year ago
@LucidLJ Nope this is just the US/Canada scene. There might be some Japanese wrestlers on this list if they held any of those titles, and yes TNA title is included, just forgot to list it. And remember this isn't about the "best" wrestlers, it's about the top world champions. You can be the greatest wrestler ever, but if you only held the title for 2 hours, you prolly won't be listed.
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
@wrestlgurl I also want to add that just because I am taking the ROH champions into consideration, a lot of this has to do with the power of the title they held to. The more prominent the belt, the better chance the wrestler who held has to be ranked high. In other words, not too many of the USWA champions will be listed too high, if at all, unless the held other world titles, because the USWA just didn't have the reach of say, a NWA(in it's heyday) or a WWE title do.
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
@LucidLJ I also want to add, that if Bryan Danielson is on this list, and that's a big "IF", atleast you know that he is above the guys listed so far : )
wrestlgurl 1 year ago
is bryan danielson on this list???
LucidLJ 1 year ago
@LucidLJ Look in my description comments and if he held any of those titles, then it could be, if not then no. Thanks for the comment!
wrestlgurl 1 year ago