It's stupid, it's like "I'll risk giving birth to a monstrosity with 12 fingers and no eyes but two men or two girls together? I WONT HAVE IT!" Idiots.
WOULD YOU BELIEVE there are gays who think normalizing gay sex would not lead to a strengthening pedophilia-normalizing movement? tinyurl dot com slash B4U-ACT
Sex with children and animals is already almost globally illegal (right or wrong), so that's a non-issue. As far as marrying multiple partners or family members, if it's between consenting adults, I fail to see the problem.
"What's next? Legalised polygamy?"
"What's wrong with that? They're all consenting to it, right?"
When you said : "[...] incestuous paedo apocalypse ...",
I first heard "[...] incestuous paedo-fuck-alypse ...". And it made me laugh -- a lot, cause that's the kind of person I am, laughing when people say swear words -- before realising that it wasn't what you'd said.
If someone asks for a witness, don't worry, I'll swear you were the one to coin the term, on a stack of Bibles if necessary (for what it's worth...)
@kmsoileau Lastly you keep bitching about how rights can not be denied, this is your problem not the fact that your orginal excuse ie gay marraige would legalise icest marraige was the same excuse used by racist agasint mixed raced marraige. You are just a homophobe
@kmsoileau Yes because out of all the legalisations of gay marriage everything has begone to change....bestials want to get married and pedophiles do too...what a lame excuse for homophobia. Let me ask you this question. Why are you REALLY against gay marriage? Is it against your religion? Were you raised in an anti-gay neighborhood? Did your priest say so??? LOLOLOL don't give me any of this bullshit...I want the truth...
@gaylolful Why are you REALLY *FOR* gay marriage? Whatever your motivation is, it certainly can't be based in reason. The utter stupidity of your posts rules that out. LMAO
@kmsoileau "Why are you REALLY *FOR* gay marriage?" LMFAO...answering a question with a question doesn't answer the question. HMMMM....I wonder if it has anything to do with me being gay and me having a family...hmmm....lol...I wonder if this is unconstitutional...probably not LOL. Can you answer the question? Oh yeah...you don't have an answer because there is no argument against gay marriage...You are dismissed.
@gaylolful Right, in your Bizarro world, everything about you is acceptable by default, and it's up to everyone unlike you to justify themselves. When I ask you for an argument for gay marriage, you reply "there is no argument against gay marriage." Your brain malfunctions in a variety of ways. LMAO
@kmsoileau WOW...how about everyone having equal rights under the constitution??? How about that??? How about equality and laws that aren't made based on some christians religious beliefs? Tell me??? Why is it that in a democracy people are imposing their religious beliefs on other individuals that don't share it???This isn't a theocracy...well at least not where I live. And you are a bible thumper so do you want me to point out all the bad stuff in it??? There is no argument against it....
@gaylolful "how about everyone having equal rights under the constitution" Everyone does. Name one Constitutional right denied to gays. By the way, marriage is not a "right."
"laws that aren't made based on some christians religious beliefs" Societies were outlawing homosexuality and (of course) gay marriage centuries before there were any Christians at all. Try again, Goober.
"you are a bible thumper" I am? What evidence do you have for this? Or do you just have a vivid imagination?
@kmsoileau If marriage is not a right then what is it? Why is this not being provided to gay people if it is provided for everyone else? Well you kept saying...how could you deny God in the other video..something like that...so I think it's safe to assume you are a bible thumper. LOL
@gaylolful "how could you deny God in the other video..something like that." Wow, I can imagine your neurons misfiring in a vast chorus of confusion as you composed that "thought."
@kmsoileau Um??? It's really funny how you are trying to shift the argument. Answer the fucking quesiton. Why the fuck can heterosexuals marry and homosexuals can't answer the darn question. Gosh...that's discrimination. And it's unconstiutional....FAIL
@kmsoileau Oh and you are failing at trying to make me look dumb...I already said "hmmm....lol...I wonder if this is unconstitutional" in the previous message and you said "When I ask you for an argument for gay marriage, you reply "there is no argument against gay marriage." FAIL....I just told you in a sarcastic manner so you are the one that looks dumb
Would be nice if you touched on this subject again evaluating country's where gay marriage is already legal. Such as the Netherlands, Sweden, Canada, Portugal etc.
see wiki on Same-sex_marriage
And help people realize that nothing has changed at all for heterosexuals. The fear is ungrounded.
If your premise is "clearly pedophiles will not use legalization of gay marriage to justify marrying children", all you have done is state it with contempt for anyone who thinks otherwise. Unfortunately, this is not logic. To state something emphatically has no logical force.
@kmsoileau "If your premise is "clearly pedophiles will not use legalization of gay marriage to justify marrying children", all you have done is state it with contempt for anyone who thinks otherwise."
They could just as easily use the legality of heterosexual marriage. It has just as much to do with it, if adults marrying adults is supposed to have any bearing on that.
@ZJemptv How so? As long as the longstanding definition is maintained, there is little to no opportunity to modify it. Once gays change the longstanding definition, there is an opening for others (pedophiles, bestials, etc.) to claim their chance at legal recognition. Feeble, ZJ, very feeble.
@kmsoileau "Once gays change the longstanding definition, there is an opening for others (pedophiles, bestials, etc.) to claim their chance at legal recognition."
No there isn't. Why would there be? Yours is a cowardice that refuses to recognize a need for change because you're too afraid of what might happen when things change, and would rather remain safely cocooned in an outdated stagnation that does no one any good.
Also, "maintaining the definition" hasn't stopped us from modifying it.
@ZJemptv "Yours is a cowardice" Yours is a selfishness that doesn't give a shit about the consequences of what you want, you see only that you want it.
@ZJemptv Sweetheart baby darling Rosie Jones. I would simply argue that bestiality, paedophilia and incest are not the same as gay marriage. Every bit of liberty brings it's own resposibility as does acceptance of gay marriage which kmsoileau wants in his twisted thinking to be equal with bestiality, paedophilia and incest. What a creepy jerk.
@kmsoileau Your arguments are really stupid, I'm sorry but they are. If such things would come about as a result from same sex marriage, why haven't they happened in countries that already allow same sex marriage?Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, and Sweden all allow gay marriage and these countries have yet to have some 'bestial-incestuous-pedo-pocalypse'. Just call it what it IS: a conspiracy theory. A stupid one at that.
@KendallHartz Social decay is a gradual process. The fact that there hasn't been some 'bestial-incestuous-pedo-pocalypse' in the brief time in which gay marriage has been legal, is not significant evidence that this result would not eventually occur if gay marriage were widely accepted. Further, a conspiracy theory requires that people conspire to do something they think is wrong. The opposition to gay marriage is based on a vast majority of people doing what theythink is right:defend marriage.
@kmsoileau The "social decay" you speak of is merely wishful thinking on your part. Shame on you! 'Brief' time? Some of the countries I've listed have had gay marriage for almost a decade or two maybe. And what social decay? If anything, most of those countries are thriving. Great economy, jobs, health care, etc. Some of those countries are the happiest countries in the world.
@KendallHartz Also, you may think what you're doing is right, you might actually believe that. But really that's just the spin you're trying to put on it, you're really rallying to deny people rights because they fail to measure up to your religions/Gods lofty standards. There's nothing to defend. You can tell yourself there's evil afoot and what you people are doing is some how 'noble', you can tell yourself that until you're blue in the face sweetie but at the end of the day...
@KendallHartz "Also, you may think what you're doing is right, "< Is this intended for me or are you talking to yourself?
"your religions/Gods lofty standards"< Since there are lots of nonreligious people against gay marriage, and have been for millennia, your connection doesn't make sense. Care to think more deeply about what you are talking about?
@kmsoileau 'Care to think more deeply what your talking about?'
^How about you? I can give you plenty of reasons why bestial, pedophilia, incest-marriages would never work. The only one that hold even a little water is polygamy and that's in part of the fact that America has a history of polygamous marriages. Also, the non-religious people who are against marriage, yeah their reasons are even stupider. The 'gays are gross' is popular reason amongst such people. I hope read BOTH my replies.
@KendallHartz Your "argument" is basically that those who disagree with you have reasons that are "stupid." Hate to burst your bubble, but that goes both ways. We think YOU are stupid for considering same-sex marriage as having any social value at all, other than silencing a small minority of the population that wants social mores adjusted to their satisfaction.
@kmsoileau First of all, stop trying to make what you're doing so 'innocent'. Disagreeing is one thing, but rallying to have a certain group of people denied certain rights is a whole other thing. They want right to marry and get the same marriage benefits as anyone else, that's what they want. You're just ttrying to paint them and their reasons as 'evil'. You and many other people opposed to gay rgihts do that ALL the time!
@KendallHartz You keep ranting about "gay rights." That's the problem, there are no "gay" rights. gays have every Constitutional right that non-gay people have. You are living a fantasy that gay marriage is a "right."
@kmsoileau Oh! Except the right to marry the person they actually LOVE. But we'll just ignore that little detail, yes? If two consenting non-related adults want to get married, be happy, and spend the rest of their lives together, I fail to see the issue here other than it 'offends' YOUR religious beliefs, and I'm but YOUR religious beliefs are not more important than BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. You can ignore those details if you wish to but that doesn't make those details any less true.
@kmsoileau Do you even care about the Constitution? Honestly, even if it isn't in there, marriage is and should be a fundamental right. Consenting adults should have the right to marry other consenting adults, as long as they are not hurting themselve or anybody, and that is usually the case with such things. You've failed to give me a reason for why legal consenting adults should not be allowed to marry each other than 'God deosn't like it' and what your religious text tells you.
@KendallHartz "You've failed to give me a reason" Reason 1: It's not a right. Reason 2: It has little benefit to society at large. Reason 3: It's not socially acceptable to the majority of citizens.
@kmsoileau 1. Just because you say that 50 times over and over doesn't make that true.
2. And it has an even smaller negative impact on society large as well, despite whatever conspiracy theories you make up in your head.
3. The majority? Are certain about that? Because many, many, people, even some within the Christian community, are rallying FOR it. And just because a majority of people are against something doesn't mean that it must be wrong. That's ignorant. And yes it is stupid not to.
@kmsoileau 1.) Once upon a time voting was not considered a right. Nor was it considered a 'right' to not be a slave. By your logic, this shouldn't have changed.
2.) Who gives a shit? It also won't do any harm to society beyond making twits like you burst into flames in rage.
3.) Once upon a time, Africans having equal rights to Anglos was 'not socially acceptable' to the majority of people. Perhaps that was reason enough to stop it in your mind?
@slightlyoutofreach01 "voting was not considered a right" If voting is a "right", why can't felons and children do it? If marriage is a "right", why can't an adult father marry three of his adult daughters?
" Who gives a shit?" Society, obviously. "won't do any harm to society" Says you. Society disagrees.
"Once upon a time" So the current standard of acceptability has no credibility? Should one assume that every form of behavior will eventually become acceptable?
@kmsoileau Felons and children also cannot own firearms. Does that therefore mean the 2nd Amendment is not a right?
"Says you. Society disagrees." You and your ilk do not speak for society, because it isn't the 50's anymore. More Americans are having less of a problem with the concept, and eventually it WILL become a reality. What will be the basis of your 'moral highground' then? "Jesus said so?"
"Every form of behavior will eventually become acceptable?" Behaviors that harm no one? Yes.
@slightlyoutofreach01 My "ilk"? You mean mainstream humanity which, by the way, has continually and globally rejected homosexuality for millennia? Yawn. When confronted with logical argument, you and "your ilk" retreat into the same old tiresome gay talking points.
@kmsoileau "Mainstream humanity?" I don't know what world you live in, when nation after nation is legalizing gay marriage, and the only people opposing it are the shrinking minority of people in this country who think like you... and people in lovely places like Somalia and Iran. You're in good company.
Argue all you like, one day it WILL happen, and people will look back on you and your kind with the same kind of shame we feel now when looking back at the days of slavery in this country.
@slightlyoutofreach01 "the same kind of shame" Lacking any facts in the real world, you resort to talking about trends and predictions about the future, topping everything off with emotional attacks in the form of attempted shame speech. The tactics of a loser. Grow up and learn about debate. It's what adults do.
@kmsoileau Lacking any real facts? This, coming from someone whose entire world view is based on 'facts' found in a 2000 year old book thought up by illiterate shepherds. You know what else adults do? They eventually stop believing in fairytales. You're the one asserting all manner of horrible consequences that will supposedly arise from gay marriage, not even remotely backed by real-world evidence. Religion itself has harmed humanity far more than gay marriage ever could. Fact.
@slightlyoutofreach01 Your ridiculous ravings continue. If you get some smart person to read my words for you, you'll find that none of my arguments had anything to do with religion. Your obvious psychological issues have clouded your mind. Good luck with that.
@kmsoileau "None of my arguments had anything to do with religion." They didn't have to; one look at your childish rant against atheists says it all. Even without that, what other cause does someone have to discriminate on this level against other people simply for being different? Only religion, that pathetic anachronism plaguing human society for so long, keeps such thoughts going strong in the minds of people such as you.
"Good luck with that." Yes, and good luck with your utter irrelevance.
@slightlyoutofreach01 You admit that my arguments had nothing to do with religion. They were purely political, and they so defeated you, you had to attack based on some imaginary religious agenda on my part. The bottom line is, you can't answer a purely political argument against your "irrelevant" pro-gay viewpoint. You are defeated. Slink away into your tortured stupidity.
@kmsoileau "You can't answer a purely political argument" When did you ever put forth a valid argument? The only two points I've seen you state are "CHANGE IS BAD" and "IT WILL PAVE THE WAY FOR PEDOPHILIA/INCEST/BESTIALITY," when you weren't dodging each and every point I made. The bottom line; if you're not a religious zealot, why are you oh so offended by atheists? Why are you so homophobic? There's no other explanation, unless you're this deluded and braindead all on your own. If so, bravo.
@slightlyoutofreach01 "The bottom line; if you're not a religious zealot, why are you oh so offended by atheists?" Uh, no, Dumb Ass, even here you show your dazzling stupidity. Nonreligious cultures have and do reject homosexuality, so the idea that "homophobia" implies religious zealotry doesn't square with the facts. How does it feel to be stupid? Is it painful? Can you describe it?
@kmsoileau "Nonreligious cultures have and do reject homosexuality," And again, once upon a time 'mainstream humanity' was okay with slavery, too. Since you apparently lack the ability to read, I'll repeat what has already been said; there is no logical reason to deny homosexuals the right to marry. More nations are allowing it, and the only ones that aren't are refusing purely on religious grounds. No civilized, secular nation has any reason not to allow it.
@slightlyoutofreach01 No, Moron, you missed my point. The fact that nonreligious cultures have rejected homosexuality is evidence that religion is not the sole cause of "homophobia." You're a dumbass.
@kmsoileau "No, Moron, you missed my point." And here we see the point where you realize you've lost, and all your arguments are complete hogwash. When every other word in your replies is an insult. You seem to like to lecture others on the finer points of debate, yet you're completely oblivious to them yourself. You dodge every point made, while merely repeating yourself and hurling insults. Name one country where gay marriage is disallowed, in which religion was not a factor. I'll wait.
@kmsoileau "North Korea. China. Etc." Wow. Brilliant examples. Truly. So the nations you choose as examples that have banned gay marriage on non-religious moral grounds also regularly torture and murder their own people. Wonderful.
" there is no logical reason to deny homosexuals the right to marry" Says you. Since you don't have a monopoly on logic, and more people disagree with you than agree, your statement has no real weight.
@kmsoileau "Says you." I'll ask you again to give me one valid reason not to. Reality and the facts are on my side; not a single country that has legalized gay marriage has suffered any ill effect. Show me one singular instance wherein the events you've predicted have actually come to pass. You love to speak loudly of logic, yet your entire argument is completely illogical.
@kmsoileau "gays would be married and everything would be fabulous." That is precisely what has happened in every state in the US and every nation in the rest of the world where Gay Marriage has been legalized. There have been no mass outbreaks of pedophilia or inbreeding, no bestiality. There have been no ill effects whatsoever. And yet you continue to assert that all of the above will happen, nevermind the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Who is the moron, again?
@kmsoileau "You know this, how?" Care to point out a case where there have been ill effects? If someone were to claim to me that the moon were made of lemons, it's not up to me to disprove it, it's up to the person making the assertion to prove it. You're the one insisting outlandish events will occur, the burden of truth is on you.
@KendallHartz "Except the right to marry the person they actually LOVE." A father cannot marry his adult daughter, no matter how much they love each other. You are very confused.
@KendallHartz (Part 1) @KendallHartz The "social decay" you speak of is merely wishful thinking on your part.<Wishful thinking on your part
Shame on you!<I suppose that substitutes for an intelligent remark?
'Brief' time? Some of the countries I've listed have had gay marriage for almost a decade or two maybe.<The blink of an eye on the social history scale
@KendallHartz (Part 2) If anything, most of those countries are thriving.<They were thriving before gay marriage, that they continue to thrive for a decade or two doesn't support gay marriage.
Some of those countries are the happiest countries in the world.<They were happy before gay marriage
Marriage is not a right. If it were a right, a brother could marry his sister. Calling marriage a "right" is just a feeble rhetorical attempt to create something that has never existed. Anyone who supports gay marriage should logically also support incest.
@kmsoileau I'll be the first to say this if I must but marriage is a right AND this right has been denied to brother and sister couples for one very good reason what is it Oh yeah Inbreeding.
'Anyone who supports gay marraige should logically also support incest' this same excuse was once used agasint interracail marriage, yet black people marry white people all the time now and we have yet to have incest. This bullshit was groundless for mixed race marriage and is groundless for gay mariage
@Dylanjjo343 "marriage is a right AND this right has been denied" You just contradicted yourself. Anything that is a "right" cannot be categorically and permanently denied to anyone, for any reason. Therefore marriage is a privilege, exactly as I maintained earlier.
@kmsoileau Marraige is not privilege, it is a right it is in the constitution. Second things like incest and beastility are all denied because they have been shown to be dangerous to soceity, and yes right can be denied if there is good reason, if theres not it is descrimation. Gay marraige is already legal in candana and spain. And yet none of the horrible effects people have said would happen have happen in those places yet.
@Dylanjjo343 (Part 1) "Marraige is not privilege, it is a right it is in the constitution." WRONG: it is not discussed or referred to anywhere in the Constitution.
Second things like incest and beastility are all denied because they have been shown to be dangerous to soceity"
Homosexuals were the main transmitters of HIV into mainstream Western society. Thus presented a danger to society.
@kmsoileau Homosexual males have contracted HIV at higher rate that is but you over look two points one lesbians are even less likely to contract HIV and two the number of straight women with HIV is growing while the numbers amgomst gay men has dropped over the years.
yes in some coutries having many wives is legal, but these coutries as a result are higly oppressive to women therefore this is bad. and gay marraige has brought oppression to anyone. And you cut off my comment just before
@kmsoileau I explianed it, I am withdrawing from this debate when this the way you behave how can you expected to be taken serouisly. the full was gay marraige is legal in spain and this has not caused anything bad. marring several women has shown to be a factor in making that soceity oppresive to women. And one more thing if gay are the main result of aids in the west then why do so many striaght have aids, Gay people would only pass them to others so it wouldn't be an issue for striaght.
@MessengernothMessage I think an imprtant pillar of most people Athiestic views is independant thought. So very few robots in the Athiest community except for ZJ who only sounds like a robot sometimes
1) we know that cars have creators because we can observe people making them.
2) considering that we have not even explored a billionth of our own galaxy, its a little early to say there is no other life.
3) the big bang is not a theory for the creation of the universe. it is an observation of the universe's expansion, calculations of when that expansion first began (the beginning of what we call time) and the initial rate of the expansion (comparable to an explosion).
disproving a deist god is impossible, however we can disprove a theist god. the features of a deist god are unknown and thus we cannot say anything about it. however, we know the features of your god and we can see how they are false. He claims to have created all life, when we know that life evolved through natural process. he claims to have shaped the planets, even though we now know that they were also formed through natural processes. the list goes on and on and on.
1) well then I guess you are a bigot against Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists and so on. Im bigoted against 1001 religions. you are bigoted against 1000. youre really no better than I am.
2) atheists and mostly agnostics at heart, and most agnostics are atheists in their pragmatism. Atheists don't "know" there is no god, so much as we "assume" there is no god (due to lack of evidence). just like you assume there is no tooth fairy or how you assume there is no allah.
goddamn, you're stupid. even if you were correct in your ideas of irredusable complexity (which have been debunked by the way) that still doesnt mean that YOUR god is the real god. also it doesnt make atheists communists or self-worshipers. you are soooooo delusional
so all people who dont believe in a personal deity are either Satan worshipers or communists??? I was not aware of this fact. thank you for educating me, good sir. you have really enlightened me (I might be tad bit sarcastic).
1) im not sure if you are aware of this. but there is, in fact, no god.
2) I dont even know what to make of the rest. you are about as articulate as a viking. learn how to use spell-check and learn how to form sentences before you start debating. otherwise people might get the wrong impression. they might think you're some kind of ignorant, illiterate, uneducated jackass or something......... and that would just be a TOTALLY inaccurate summation right?
insinuating a causative or analogous link between the contractual arrangement between two consenting adults and the marrying of defenseless, physically/mentally immature children (or creatures outside our species) is not only fallacious and insulting, but also laughable. Marriage is technically nothing more than a contract . you dont see the marines trying to persuade children into signing up for the military or cows getting restraining orders on their farmers.
About 40% of marriages in my country (Afghanistan) are between first cousins. Something like 1/3 all muslims around the world marry their first cousins!!! This leads to bad genes, MUSLIMS have been doing this for many centuries. More than any other group of people in HISTORY, or NOWADAYS. This is why muslims are so violent, & backwards (I was born a Muslim, & I know this).
@Chst1991 - you just noticed ? Big F...in' deal ... Any comments on WHAT he ( or she ) said ? I think that's ( notice the spelling ) what the video is about...
The pedopoclypse! I fucking love it. Tho i think us gays, I'm bi, should be allowed to marry. But at the same time I don't think anyone, no matter the sexual preference, should be allowed to marry.
people think Obama is an Immigrant. people think that Socialism or Communism are products of the devil. Being rational putts you against the world. Even smart people have a hard time merging their ideas together. Throw in a majority of retards and it becomes a struggle for the smart to convince the sheep. In my personal life i have only met 3 people capable of talking about idea's were personal Bias and emotion can take a back seat while discussing taboo issues to understand each others position
GOT TO LOVE THEM CHRISTFAGS . Thinking as long as you only suck jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesusssssssss dick they are better than cross dressing atheist debaters .
Keep up the good work ZJ.....again for the trolls out there...Im not gay(not that there would be anything wrong with that), just a fact. But Im on the side of reason and common sense. Just had a debate with some religious people about gay marriage at the local starbux and I cringe with frustration at their stupidity,especially when they say "I don't like gay marriage being forced on me", as if someone is making them marry the same sex. Prop 8 passing in CA has cost me and the CA economy money.
This is the exact reason we gays get laughed at and mocked. When people think of a gay guy they picture this and think "Wow, what a fag" I mean damn...This also is one of the reasons I used to be ashamed of being gay...Because I thought I'd turn out like this...Thank God I didnt.
You can add Arizona to your list of first cousins marrying. Although they restrict it - you both have to be over 65 or you have to prove one of you is infertile. Obviously marriage isn't for procreation, so... ?
What should happen is the government should get itself out of marriage completely, because it has no business dictating the home lives of ANYONE, gay, straight or other. Gay people shouldn't NEED extra tax breaks because the government shouldn't be taking half of everyone's daily bread through a thousand different taxes! The answer for freedom is less government, not more.
I've just been reading some of the arguments against incest and paedophilia. It's shocking how similar these arguments are to anti-homosexuality arguments.
I think all are vacuous- people need to come up with better arguments than ones currently used if they want to convince people like me.
Two 15 year olds having sex and adult familial relatives having sex are just as much victimless crimes as homosexuality was in the past.
Why doesn't the government provide Civil Unions to both gay and straight couples, and leave it to the church to decide if they want to call it marriage or not?
because the church has absolutely zero right to decide anything about anyone's lives. And they know it, religions hold no power over the intelligent, but unfortunately, in America, only about 10% of the citizens here are actually intelligent. The rest might as well be blithering invalids. Because that's how they act most of the time. Especially the religious, it's a fact the more you believe in a religion, the lower your intelligence becomes, blind faith breeds zero intellect
First off, there is no possible way my previous statement can be considered "dogmatic" in any sense of the word. Secondly if anyone wants proof of the fact that the more religious you become, the less intelligent you are, all you need to do is hold a conversation with one of the millions of religious zealots out there. Bring up evolution in the conversation, and watch them spout out blind absurdities about how evolution is fiction and their sun god is the only way we were all created.
I am afraid that individuals are not always indicative of whole populations. Please, demonstrate that the more religious a person is, the less intelligent they are. You have yet to offer evidence on behalf of this statement.
gnowbie you idiot....he supported his claims right in the video with evidence...didn't you watch the video? And ...more dogmatic than religious assertions?!?!.....FUCK YOU you troll.
My sincere apologies to gnowbie....turns out your comment that I responded to was directed at a commenter.....But that commenter is right....Studies show that there is an inverse relationship between intelligence level and religousity....the more intelligent people are the less religious then tend to be.
Please, don't feel too terribly bad. Your calling me an idiot is not too terribly off the mark. While I am not particularly inclined to make universal claims, I do not doubt that there might be a correlation between intelligence and religion. However, I have yet to be presented with sufficient evidence to accept the claim that "it's a fact the more you believe in a religion, the lower your intelligence becomes".
The studies that I have seen trying to draw a correlation between intelligence and religiousness seem shaky.
Perhaps it is my Western bias, but I find myself indebted to religious men and women who seem at least to this ignoramus to be quite brilliant (e.g. Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître).
What the Fuck are you? Your like the "PAT" (guy/girl) character from SNL. You look like one of those freaks that goes to parties late. When everyone is shit faced and doesn't know who the fuck you are. Picks up on horny/drunk dudes to give them a ride home. To see if you can get their drunken man-meat down your gay-bob, cock-chops. Before the dude passes out. Or finds out that your penis-packing, cross-dressing, queer-bag.
It's stupid, it's like "I'll risk giving birth to a monstrosity with 12 fingers and no eyes but two men or two girls together? I WONT HAVE IT!" Idiots.
deideikunblueeyez 2 weeks ago
bitch you need the cock...
eljuanma265 3 weeks ago
totally hilariously funny cause it's true...nicely said.
Ezekiel7410 1 month ago
Let's see how this movement ends in the next century.
I bet everything will turn out just as planned.
ImpmonX 1 month ago
love it!
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kmsoileau 4 months ago
People will be allowed to marry animals when animals learn to hold a pen and sign a paper. :)) LOL
gatekeepermkd 5 months ago 6
It's funny, because some of the most avowed opponents of homosexuality are mormons.
IMeepify 5 months ago
Sex with children and animals is already almost globally illegal (right or wrong), so that's a non-issue. As far as marrying multiple partners or family members, if it's between consenting adults, I fail to see the problem.
"What's next? Legalised polygamy?"
"What's wrong with that? They're all consenting to it, right?"
TheCeejReturns 7 months ago
Just on as general question, could you do a video about incest, and why it is/isn't wrong?
Chainsaw20x7 7 months ago
Gay people are crazy crab people
NightHawk0730 8 months ago
"-- PEDOPOCALYPSE"
Nice, lol!!!
ConalCochran 8 months ago
And now the weather.
toutatis12 9 months ago
When you said : "[...] incestuous paedo apocalypse ...",
I first heard "[...] incestuous paedo-fuck-alypse ...". And it made me laugh -- a lot, cause that's the kind of person I am, laughing when people say swear words -- before realising that it wasn't what you'd said.
If someone asks for a witness, don't worry, I'll swear you were the one to coin the term, on a stack of Bibles if necessary (for what it's worth...)
SolDeSaBelle 9 months ago
@Dylanjjo343 (Part 2) "Right can be denied if there is good reason"
No. Rights, by their very nature, cannot be denied. That's what make them a right.
"Gay marraige is already legal in candana and spain." So? You can have four wives in Saudi Arabia. What's your point?
kmsoileau 1 year ago
@kmsoileau Lastly you keep bitching about how rights can not be denied, this is your problem not the fact that your orginal excuse ie gay marraige would legalise icest marraige was the same excuse used by racist agasint mixed raced marraige. You are just a homophobe
Dylanjjo343 1 year ago
@Dylanjjo343 LOL I suppose when someone makes points that you can't answer, to you it sounds like bitching. That's your problem, not mine.
"You are just a homophobe"
And you're just an idiot who doesn't know how to have an intelligent discussion. Good luck with that.
kmsoileau 1 year ago
@kmsoileau Yes because out of all the legalisations of gay marriage everything has begone to change....bestials want to get married and pedophiles do too...what a lame excuse for homophobia. Let me ask you this question. Why are you REALLY against gay marriage? Is it against your religion? Were you raised in an anti-gay neighborhood? Did your priest say so??? LOLOLOL don't give me any of this bullshit...I want the truth...
gaylolful 10 months ago
@gaylolful Why are you REALLY *FOR* gay marriage? Whatever your motivation is, it certainly can't be based in reason. The utter stupidity of your posts rules that out. LMAO
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau "Why are you REALLY *FOR* gay marriage?" LMFAO...answering a question with a question doesn't answer the question. HMMMM....I wonder if it has anything to do with me being gay and me having a family...hmmm....lol...I wonder if this is unconstitutional...probably not LOL. Can you answer the question? Oh yeah...you don't have an answer because there is no argument against gay marriage...You are dismissed.
gaylolful 10 months ago
@gaylolful Right, in your Bizarro world, everything about you is acceptable by default, and it's up to everyone unlike you to justify themselves. When I ask you for an argument for gay marriage, you reply "there is no argument against gay marriage." Your brain malfunctions in a variety of ways. LMAO
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau WOW...how about everyone having equal rights under the constitution??? How about that??? How about equality and laws that aren't made based on some christians religious beliefs? Tell me??? Why is it that in a democracy people are imposing their religious beliefs on other individuals that don't share it???This isn't a theocracy...well at least not where I live. And you are a bible thumper so do you want me to point out all the bad stuff in it??? There is no argument against it....
gaylolful 10 months ago
@gaylolful "how about everyone having equal rights under the constitution" Everyone does. Name one Constitutional right denied to gays. By the way, marriage is not a "right."
"laws that aren't made based on some christians religious beliefs" Societies were outlawing homosexuality and (of course) gay marriage centuries before there were any Christians at all. Try again, Goober.
"you are a bible thumper" I am? What evidence do you have for this? Or do you just have a vivid imagination?
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau If marriage is not a right then what is it? Why is this not being provided to gay people if it is provided for everyone else? Well you kept saying...how could you deny God in the other video..something like that...so I think it's safe to assume you are a bible thumper. LOL
gaylolful 10 months ago
@gaylolful "how could you deny God in the other video..something like that." Wow, I can imagine your neurons misfiring in a vast chorus of confusion as you composed that "thought."
kmsoileau 10 months ago
@kmsoileau Um??? It's really funny how you are trying to shift the argument. Answer the fucking quesiton. Why the fuck can heterosexuals marry and homosexuals can't answer the darn question. Gosh...that's discrimination. And it's unconstiutional....FAIL
gaylolful 10 months ago
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@kmsoileau Oh and you are failing at trying to make me look dumb...I already said "hmmm....lol...I wonder if this is unconstitutional" in the previous message and you said "When I ask you for an argument for gay marriage, you reply "there is no argument against gay marriage." FAIL....I just told you in a sarcastic manner so you are the one that looks dumb
gaylolful 10 months ago
@kmsoileau LOLOLOL oh okay...just read some of your other comments...yup...I knew you were a religious nut case...LMFAO...YAY! I figured it out! XD
gaylolful 10 months ago
Oh. Well then.
Anathema1984 1 year ago
Would be nice if you touched on this subject again evaluating country's where gay marriage is already legal. Such as the Netherlands, Sweden, Canada, Portugal etc.
see wiki on Same-sex_marriage
And help people realize that nothing has changed at all for heterosexuals. The fear is ungrounded.
katamsterdam 1 year ago
If your premise is "clearly pedophiles will not use legalization of gay marriage to justify marrying children", all you have done is state it with contempt for anyone who thinks otherwise. Unfortunately, this is not logic. To state something emphatically has no logical force.
kmsoileau 1 year ago
@kmsoileau "If your premise is "clearly pedophiles will not use legalization of gay marriage to justify marrying children", all you have done is state it with contempt for anyone who thinks otherwise."
They could just as easily use the legality of heterosexual marriage. It has just as much to do with it, if adults marrying adults is supposed to have any bearing on that.
ZJemptv 1 year ago 5
@ZJemptv How so? As long as the longstanding definition is maintained, there is little to no opportunity to modify it. Once gays change the longstanding definition, there is an opening for others (pedophiles, bestials, etc.) to claim their chance at legal recognition. Feeble, ZJ, very feeble.
kmsoileau 1 year ago
@kmsoileau "Once gays change the longstanding definition, there is an opening for others (pedophiles, bestials, etc.) to claim their chance at legal recognition."
No there isn't. Why would there be? Yours is a cowardice that refuses to recognize a need for change because you're too afraid of what might happen when things change, and would rather remain safely cocooned in an outdated stagnation that does no one any good.
Also, "maintaining the definition" hasn't stopped us from modifying it.
ZJemptv 1 year ago 4
@ZJemptv "Yours is a cowardice" Yours is a selfishness that doesn't give a shit about the consequences of what you want, you see only that you want it.
kmsoileau 1 year ago
@kmsoileau You haven't offered any credible consequences for me to be concerned with. "Never change anything or things might change" does not count.
ZJemptv 1 year ago 25
@ZJemptv Sweetheart baby darling Rosie Jones. I would simply argue that bestiality, paedophilia and incest are not the same as gay marriage. Every bit of liberty brings it's own resposibility as does acceptance of gay marriage which kmsoileau wants in his twisted thinking to be equal with bestiality, paedophilia and incest. What a creepy jerk.
azzy314159 6 months ago
@azzy314159 "twisted thinking" You mean like thinking heterosexual marriage to be equal with gay marriage?
kmsoileau 6 months ago
@kmsoileau You don't want gay marriage? Then don't have one - problem solved. :) It's that simple.
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@gatekeepermkd "You don't want straight marriage? Then don't get married - problem solved. :) It's that simple.
kmsoileau 5 months ago
@kmsoileau Your arguments are really stupid, I'm sorry but they are. If such things would come about as a result from same sex marriage, why haven't they happened in countries that already allow same sex marriage?Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, and Sweden all allow gay marriage and these countries have yet to have some 'bestial-incestuous-pedo-pocalypse'. Just call it what it IS: a conspiracy theory. A stupid one at that.
KendallHartz 7 months ago
@KendallHartz Social decay is a gradual process. The fact that there hasn't been some 'bestial-incestuous-pedo-pocalypse' in the brief time in which gay marriage has been legal, is not significant evidence that this result would not eventually occur if gay marriage were widely accepted. Further, a conspiracy theory requires that people conspire to do something they think is wrong. The opposition to gay marriage is based on a vast majority of people doing what theythink is right:defend marriage.
kmsoileau 7 months ago
@kmsoileau The "social decay" you speak of is merely wishful thinking on your part. Shame on you! 'Brief' time? Some of the countries I've listed have had gay marriage for almost a decade or two maybe. And what social decay? If anything, most of those countries are thriving. Great economy, jobs, health care, etc. Some of those countries are the happiest countries in the world.
KendallHartz 7 months ago
@KendallHartz Also, you may think what you're doing is right, you might actually believe that. But really that's just the spin you're trying to put on it, you're really rallying to deny people rights because they fail to measure up to your religions/Gods lofty standards. There's nothing to defend. You can tell yourself there's evil afoot and what you people are doing is some how 'noble', you can tell yourself that until you're blue in the face sweetie but at the end of the day...
KendallHartz 7 months ago
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kmsoileau 7 months ago
@KendallHartz "Also, you may think what you're doing is right, "< Is this intended for me or are you talking to yourself?
"your religions/Gods lofty standards"< Since there are lots of nonreligious people against gay marriage, and have been for millennia, your connection doesn't make sense. Care to think more deeply about what you are talking about?
kmsoileau 7 months ago
@kmsoileau 'Care to think more deeply what your talking about?'
^How about you? I can give you plenty of reasons why bestial, pedophilia, incest-marriages would never work. The only one that hold even a little water is polygamy and that's in part of the fact that America has a history of polygamous marriages. Also, the non-religious people who are against marriage, yeah their reasons are even stupider. The 'gays are gross' is popular reason amongst such people. I hope read BOTH my replies.
KendallHartz 7 months ago
@KendallHartz Your "argument" is basically that those who disagree with you have reasons that are "stupid." Hate to burst your bubble, but that goes both ways. We think YOU are stupid for considering same-sex marriage as having any social value at all, other than silencing a small minority of the population that wants social mores adjusted to their satisfaction.
kmsoileau 7 months ago
@kmsoileau First of all, stop trying to make what you're doing so 'innocent'. Disagreeing is one thing, but rallying to have a certain group of people denied certain rights is a whole other thing. They want right to marry and get the same marriage benefits as anyone else, that's what they want. You're just ttrying to paint them and their reasons as 'evil'. You and many other people opposed to gay rgihts do that ALL the time!
KendallHartz 7 months ago
@KendallHartz You keep ranting about "gay rights." That's the problem, there are no "gay" rights. gays have every Constitutional right that non-gay people have. You are living a fantasy that gay marriage is a "right."
kmsoileau 7 months ago
@kmsoileau Oh! Except the right to marry the person they actually LOVE. But we'll just ignore that little detail, yes? If two consenting non-related adults want to get married, be happy, and spend the rest of their lives together, I fail to see the issue here other than it 'offends' YOUR religious beliefs, and I'm but YOUR religious beliefs are not more important than BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. You can ignore those details if you wish to but that doesn't make those details any less true.
KendallHartz 7 months ago
@KendallHartz There is no "right" to marry. Can you find it in the Constitution?
kmsoileau 7 months ago
@kmsoileau Do you even care about the Constitution? Honestly, even if it isn't in there, marriage is and should be a fundamental right. Consenting adults should have the right to marry other consenting adults, as long as they are not hurting themselve or anybody, and that is usually the case with such things. You've failed to give me a reason for why legal consenting adults should not be allowed to marry each other than 'God deosn't like it' and what your religious text tells you.
KendallHartz 7 months ago
@KendallHartz "You've failed to give me a reason" Reason 1: It's not a right. Reason 2: It has little benefit to society at large. Reason 3: It's not socially acceptable to the majority of citizens.
Your "reason": It's stupid not to.
kmsoileau 7 months ago
@kmsoileau 1. Just because you say that 50 times over and over doesn't make that true.
2. And it has an even smaller negative impact on society large as well, despite whatever conspiracy theories you make up in your head.
3. The majority? Are certain about that? Because many, many, people, even some within the Christian community, are rallying FOR it. And just because a majority of people are against something doesn't mean that it must be wrong. That's ignorant. And yes it is stupid not to.
KendallHartz 7 months ago
@kmsoileau 1.) Once upon a time voting was not considered a right. Nor was it considered a 'right' to not be a slave. By your logic, this shouldn't have changed.
2.) Who gives a shit? It also won't do any harm to society beyond making twits like you burst into flames in rage.
3.) Once upon a time, Africans having equal rights to Anglos was 'not socially acceptable' to the majority of people. Perhaps that was reason enough to stop it in your mind?
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 "voting was not considered a right" If voting is a "right", why can't felons and children do it? If marriage is a "right", why can't an adult father marry three of his adult daughters?
" Who gives a shit?" Society, obviously. "won't do any harm to society" Says you. Society disagrees.
"Once upon a time" So the current standard of acceptability has no credibility? Should one assume that every form of behavior will eventually become acceptable?
kmsoileau 6 months ago
@kmsoileau Felons and children also cannot own firearms. Does that therefore mean the 2nd Amendment is not a right?
"Says you. Society disagrees." You and your ilk do not speak for society, because it isn't the 50's anymore. More Americans are having less of a problem with the concept, and eventually it WILL become a reality. What will be the basis of your 'moral highground' then? "Jesus said so?"
"Every form of behavior will eventually become acceptable?" Behaviors that harm no one? Yes.
slightlyoutofreach01 5 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 My "ilk"? You mean mainstream humanity which, by the way, has continually and globally rejected homosexuality for millennia? Yawn. When confronted with logical argument, you and "your ilk" retreat into the same old tiresome gay talking points.
kmsoileau 5 months ago
@kmsoileau "Mainstream humanity?" I don't know what world you live in, when nation after nation is legalizing gay marriage, and the only people opposing it are the shrinking minority of people in this country who think like you... and people in lovely places like Somalia and Iran. You're in good company.
Argue all you like, one day it WILL happen, and people will look back on you and your kind with the same kind of shame we feel now when looking back at the days of slavery in this country.
slightlyoutofreach01 5 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 "the same kind of shame" Lacking any facts in the real world, you resort to talking about trends and predictions about the future, topping everything off with emotional attacks in the form of attempted shame speech. The tactics of a loser. Grow up and learn about debate. It's what adults do.
kmsoileau 5 months ago
@kmsoileau Lacking any real facts? This, coming from someone whose entire world view is based on 'facts' found in a 2000 year old book thought up by illiterate shepherds. You know what else adults do? They eventually stop believing in fairytales. You're the one asserting all manner of horrible consequences that will supposedly arise from gay marriage, not even remotely backed by real-world evidence. Religion itself has harmed humanity far more than gay marriage ever could. Fact.
slightlyoutofreach01 5 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 Your ridiculous ravings continue. If you get some smart person to read my words for you, you'll find that none of my arguments had anything to do with religion. Your obvious psychological issues have clouded your mind. Good luck with that.
kmsoileau 5 months ago
@kmsoileau "None of my arguments had anything to do with religion." They didn't have to; one look at your childish rant against atheists says it all. Even without that, what other cause does someone have to discriminate on this level against other people simply for being different? Only religion, that pathetic anachronism plaguing human society for so long, keeps such thoughts going strong in the minds of people such as you.
"Good luck with that." Yes, and good luck with your utter irrelevance.
slightlyoutofreach01 5 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 You admit that my arguments had nothing to do with religion. They were purely political, and they so defeated you, you had to attack based on some imaginary religious agenda on my part. The bottom line is, you can't answer a purely political argument against your "irrelevant" pro-gay viewpoint. You are defeated. Slink away into your tortured stupidity.
kmsoileau 5 months ago
@kmsoileau "You can't answer a purely political argument" When did you ever put forth a valid argument? The only two points I've seen you state are "CHANGE IS BAD" and "IT WILL PAVE THE WAY FOR PEDOPHILIA/INCEST/BESTIALITY," when you weren't dodging each and every point I made. The bottom line; if you're not a religious zealot, why are you oh so offended by atheists? Why are you so homophobic? There's no other explanation, unless you're this deluded and braindead all on your own. If so, bravo.
slightlyoutofreach01 5 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 "The bottom line; if you're not a religious zealot, why are you oh so offended by atheists?" Uh, no, Dumb Ass, even here you show your dazzling stupidity. Nonreligious cultures have and do reject homosexuality, so the idea that "homophobia" implies religious zealotry doesn't square with the facts. How does it feel to be stupid? Is it painful? Can you describe it?
kmsoileau 5 months ago
@kmsoileau "Nonreligious cultures have and do reject homosexuality," And again, once upon a time 'mainstream humanity' was okay with slavery, too. Since you apparently lack the ability to read, I'll repeat what has already been said; there is no logical reason to deny homosexuals the right to marry. More nations are allowing it, and the only ones that aren't are refusing purely on religious grounds. No civilized, secular nation has any reason not to allow it.
slightlyoutofreach01 5 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 No, Moron, you missed my point. The fact that nonreligious cultures have rejected homosexuality is evidence that religion is not the sole cause of "homophobia." You're a dumbass.
kmsoileau 5 months ago
@kmsoileau "No, Moron, you missed my point." And here we see the point where you realize you've lost, and all your arguments are complete hogwash. When every other word in your replies is an insult. You seem to like to lecture others on the finer points of debate, yet you're completely oblivious to them yourself. You dodge every point made, while merely repeating yourself and hurling insults. Name one country where gay marriage is disallowed, in which religion was not a factor. I'll wait.
slightlyoutofreach01 5 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 Review our exchange. You made early comments about my being a "twat", etc so by your reasoning you lost the debate back then.
kmsoileau 5 months ago
@kmsoileau So since you admit you lost the argument earlier, your surrender is accepted. Game over, thanks for playing.
kmsoileau 5 months ago
@kmsoileau "Game over, thanks for playing." Hey, maybe next time you'll learn how to actually play the game correctly first. Have a good one.
slightlyoutofreach01 5 months ago
"Name one country where gay marriage is disallowed, in which religion was not a factor. I'll wait." North Korea. China. Etc.
kmsoileau 5 months ago
@kmsoileau "North Korea. China. Etc." Wow. Brilliant examples. Truly. So the nations you choose as examples that have banned gay marriage on non-religious moral grounds also regularly torture and murder their own people. Wonderful.
slightlyoutofreach01 5 months ago
" there is no logical reason to deny homosexuals the right to marry" Says you. Since you don't have a monopoly on logic, and more people disagree with you than agree, your statement has no real weight.
kmsoileau 5 months ago
@kmsoileau "Says you." I'll ask you again to give me one valid reason not to. Reality and the facts are on my side; not a single country that has legalized gay marriage has suffered any ill effect. Show me one singular instance wherein the events you've predicted have actually come to pass. You love to speak loudly of logic, yet your entire argument is completely illogical.
slightlyoutofreach01 5 months ago
@kmsoileau "How does it feel to be stupid?" I'd ask you, but you seem sadly oblivious to your condition.
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kmsoileau 5 months ago
@kmsoileau "gays would be married and everything would be fabulous." That is precisely what has happened in every state in the US and every nation in the rest of the world where Gay Marriage has been legalized. There have been no mass outbreaks of pedophilia or inbreeding, no bestiality. There have been no ill effects whatsoever. And yet you continue to assert that all of the above will happen, nevermind the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Who is the moron, again?
slightlyoutofreach01 5 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 "There have been no ill effects whatsoever." And you know this, how? Or are you just talking out of your ass?
kmsoileau 5 months ago
@kmsoileau "You know this, how?" Care to point out a case where there have been ill effects? If someone were to claim to me that the moon were made of lemons, it's not up to me to disprove it, it's up to the person making the assertion to prove it. You're the one insisting outlandish events will occur, the burden of truth is on you.
slightlyoutofreach01 5 months ago
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@KendallHartz "Except the right to marry the person they actually LOVE." A father cannot marry his adult daughter, no matter how much they love each other. You are very confused.
kmsoileau 7 months ago
@KendallHartz (Part 1) @KendallHartz The "social decay" you speak of is merely wishful thinking on your part.<Wishful thinking on your part
Shame on you!<I suppose that substitutes for an intelligent remark?
'Brief' time? Some of the countries I've listed have had gay marriage for almost a decade or two maybe.<The blink of an eye on the social history scale
kmsoileau 7 months ago
@KendallHartz (Part 2) If anything, most of those countries are thriving.<They were thriving before gay marriage, that they continue to thrive for a decade or two doesn't support gay marriage.
Some of those countries are the happiest countries in the world.<They were happy before gay marriage
kmsoileau 7 months ago
Marriage is not a right. If it were a right, a brother could marry his sister. Calling marriage a "right" is just a feeble rhetorical attempt to create something that has never existed. Anyone who supports gay marriage should logically also support incest.
kmsoileau 1 year ago
@kmsoileau I'll be the first to say this if I must but marriage is a right AND this right has been denied to brother and sister couples for one very good reason what is it Oh yeah Inbreeding.
'Anyone who supports gay marraige should logically also support incest' this same excuse was once used agasint interracail marriage, yet black people marry white people all the time now and we have yet to have incest. This bullshit was groundless for mixed race marriage and is groundless for gay mariage
Dylanjjo343 1 year ago
@Dylanjjo343 "marriage is a right AND this right has been denied" You just contradicted yourself. Anything that is a "right" cannot be categorically and permanently denied to anyone, for any reason. Therefore marriage is a privilege, exactly as I maintained earlier.
kmsoileau 1 year ago
@kmsoileau Marraige is not privilege, it is a right it is in the constitution. Second things like incest and beastility are all denied because they have been shown to be dangerous to soceity, and yes right can be denied if there is good reason, if theres not it is descrimation. Gay marraige is already legal in candana and spain. And yet none of the horrible effects people have said would happen have happen in those places yet.
Dylanjjo343 1 year ago
@Dylanjjo343 (Part 1) "Marraige is not privilege, it is a right it is in the constitution." WRONG: it is not discussed or referred to anywhere in the Constitution.
Second things like incest and beastility are all denied because they have been shown to be dangerous to soceity"
Homosexuals were the main transmitters of HIV into mainstream Western society. Thus presented a danger to society.
kmsoileau 1 year ago
@kmsoileau Homosexual males have contracted HIV at higher rate that is but you over look two points one lesbians are even less likely to contract HIV and two the number of straight women with HIV is growing while the numbers amgomst gay men has dropped over the years.
yes in some coutries having many wives is legal, but these coutries as a result are higly oppressive to women therefore this is bad. and gay marraige has brought oppression to anyone. And you cut off my comment just before
Dylanjjo343 1 year ago
@kmsoileau I explianed it, I am withdrawing from this debate when this the way you behave how can you expected to be taken serouisly. the full was gay marraige is legal in spain and this has not caused anything bad. marring several women has shown to be a factor in making that soceity oppresive to women. And one more thing if gay are the main result of aids in the west then why do so many striaght have aids, Gay people would only pass them to others so it wouldn't be an issue for striaght.
Dylanjjo343 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Man who are all the sick fucks your subscribed too?
u fatass faggot
largest85 1 year ago
@MessengernothMessage I think an imprtant pillar of most people Athiestic views is independant thought. So very few robots in the Athiest community except for ZJ who only sounds like a robot sometimes
1982mockingbird1982 1 year ago
LMAO I love you!
FM897 1 year ago
@MessengernothMessage
1) we know that cars have creators because we can observe people making them.
2) considering that we have not even explored a billionth of our own galaxy, its a little early to say there is no other life.
3) the big bang is not a theory for the creation of the universe. it is an observation of the universe's expansion, calculations of when that expansion first began (the beginning of what we call time) and the initial rate of the expansion (comparable to an explosion).
ChristianTheeAtheist 1 year ago
@MessengernothMessage
disproving a deist god is impossible, however we can disprove a theist god. the features of a deist god are unknown and thus we cannot say anything about it. however, we know the features of your god and we can see how they are false. He claims to have created all life, when we know that life evolved through natural process. he claims to have shaped the planets, even though we now know that they were also formed through natural processes. the list goes on and on and on.
ChristianTheeAtheist 1 year ago
@MessengernothMessage
1) well then I guess you are a bigot against Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists and so on. Im bigoted against 1001 religions. you are bigoted against 1000. youre really no better than I am.
2) atheists and mostly agnostics at heart, and most agnostics are atheists in their pragmatism. Atheists don't "know" there is no god, so much as we "assume" there is no god (due to lack of evidence). just like you assume there is no tooth fairy or how you assume there is no allah.
ChristianTheeAtheist 1 year ago
@MessengernothMessage
you obviously dont know a thing about what atheism entails
1) atheism only means a disbelief in a god. to say that someone either believes in god or "nothing" is a false dichotomy
2) people do not need to prove their disbelief in something. it is up to proponents of theories to prove them and you theists have done a SHIT job.
3) atheism doesnt make any factual claims about the universe. thus, there is nothing for it to "prove."
4) we are skeptics, not anti-believers.
ChristianTheeAtheist 1 year ago
@MessengernothMessage
goddamn, you're stupid. even if you were correct in your ideas of irredusable complexity (which have been debunked by the way) that still doesnt mean that YOUR god is the real god. also it doesnt make atheists communists or self-worshipers. you are soooooo delusional
ChristianTheeAtheist 1 year ago
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ChristianTheeAtheist 1 year ago
@MessengernothMessage
so all people who dont believe in a personal deity are either Satan worshipers or communists??? I was not aware of this fact. thank you for educating me, good sir. you have really enlightened me (I might be tad bit sarcastic).
ChristianTheeAtheist 1 year ago
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@MessengernothMessage
you amuse me.
ChristianTheeAtheist 1 year ago
@MessengernothMessage
"communist brainwashing?" hahaha. you really got me there, trollie. you have just transcended from insipid douche-baggery to comedic gold.
ChristianTheeAtheist 1 year ago
@MessengernothMessage
1) im not sure if you are aware of this. but there is, in fact, no god.
2) I dont even know what to make of the rest. you are about as articulate as a viking. learn how to use spell-check and learn how to form sentences before you start debating. otherwise people might get the wrong impression. they might think you're some kind of ignorant, illiterate, uneducated jackass or something......... and that would just be a TOTALLY inaccurate summation right?
ChristianTheeAtheist 1 year ago
@MessengernothMessage
insinuating a causative or analogous link between the contractual arrangement between two consenting adults and the marrying of defenseless, physically/mentally immature children (or creatures outside our species) is not only fallacious and insulting, but also laughable. Marriage is technically nothing more than a contract . you dont see the marines trying to persuade children into signing up for the military or cows getting restraining orders on their farmers.
ChristianTheeAtheist 1 year ago
I really like your videos, you speak so well.
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You should check out my video on cousin couples.
13SuperKings 1 year ago
About 40% of marriages in my country (Afghanistan) are between first cousins. Something like 1/3 all muslims around the world marry their first cousins!!! This leads to bad genes, MUSLIMS have been doing this for many centuries. More than any other group of people in HISTORY, or NOWADAYS. This is why muslims are so violent, & backwards (I was born a Muslim, & I know this).
rayj778 1 year ago
being gay means no children and death
3Michael82 1 year ago
"beep beep boop!"
MisterAvailable 1 year ago
@neonanaki48 HE HAS AN ADAMS APPLE, WHAT DO YOU THINK!!!
The people who believe that these things are going to happen are unfathomably ignorant.
squigoo 1 year ago
is this person male or female?
neonanaki48 1 year ago
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MisterAvailable 1 year ago
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@neonanaki48 The question you should be asking is "Is this person a man or a machine?"
MisterAvailable 1 year ago
AHHH. The stupidity of others is lowering my IQ! Even as we speak!
I agree though. You are so fucking intelligent.
KiraBlaize 1 year ago
Hypothetical Bestial Incestuous Pedopocalypse in my new favorite phrase.
ZenMondo 1 year ago 6
good try mate but ur still not convincing........one can tell ur a bloke
hilariousbollywood 1 year ago
Thats a guy thats cross dressing
Chst1991 2 years ago
@Chst1991 - you just noticed ? Big F...in' deal ... Any comments on WHAT he ( or she ) said ? I think that's ( notice the spelling ) what the video is about...
curiousgeorge1940 1 year ago
@Chst1991 - Just went to see your YT channel - very cool - is that you dressed up as a chick ? Are you a cross dresser too ?
curiousgeorge1940 1 year ago
i can';t believe that the uk hasn't legalized same sex marriage.
that's why i'm liberal democrat, they are all the way supportive. labour is close minded, they even call themselves leftists.
Sundrownpaw45 2 years ago
The pedopoclypse! I fucking love it. Tho i think us gays, I'm bi, should be allowed to marry. But at the same time I don't think anyone, no matter the sexual preference, should be allowed to marry.
McPenis707 2 years ago
Whoa, I just realized you talk behind a sheet now. What happened, babe? Too many people bitch about your bunk beds?
DblOSmith 2 years ago
:DD
imsoSCENExCORE 2 years ago
... Shut up, Meg.
Ryuuken117 2 years ago
ahahahaha she does look like Meg.
bluetoaster8822 2 years ago
some people just don't get it.
i'm afraid there is no hope for some.
fuck tradition.
BETonthisHORSE 2 years ago
pedo-pocalypse FTW!
prolefeedprocessor 2 years ago 4
Meg Griffin has her own video channel I see.
rhettsamigo2003 2 years ago 3
this is ZJ, ZJ thinks he has problems becuase he can't decide if hes male or female... HARDEN THE FUCK UP ZJ!
gizmo12345678910 2 years ago
Takes a lot of balls to be who you are when you are like ZJ.
founoe 2 years ago 17
WTF???
rickster348 2 years ago
You are so fucking intelligent. Love your vids. Ah, you amaze me everytime by being straightforward and logical. :)
<3
deusAtheismus 2 years ago 27
are you a dude?
XJazm1n3X 2 years ago
probably a trans...lol
limballer 2 years ago
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thats one ugly trans
Tricksta95 2 years ago
people think Obama is an Immigrant. people think that Socialism or Communism are products of the devil. Being rational putts you against the world. Even smart people have a hard time merging their ideas together. Throw in a majority of retards and it becomes a struggle for the smart to convince the sheep. In my personal life i have only met 3 people capable of talking about idea's were personal Bias and emotion can take a back seat while discussing taboo issues to understand each others position
Dracanic 2 years ago
GOT TO LOVE THEM CHRISTFAGS . Thinking as long as you only suck jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesusssssssss dick they are better than cross dressing atheist debaters .
RichardHeadTroll 2 years ago 2
HAHA.
I'm laughing so hard, cos it makes so much sense in a crude way.
PlaceboPhilpot 2 years ago
Keep up the good work ZJ.....again for the trolls out there...Im not gay(not that there would be anything wrong with that), just a fact. But Im on the side of reason and common sense. Just had a debate with some religious people about gay marriage at the local starbux and I cringe with frustration at their stupidity,especially when they say "I don't like gay marriage being forced on me", as if someone is making them marry the same sex. Prop 8 passing in CA has cost me and the CA economy money.
AntiSnoopDogma 2 years ago
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are you a guy??
spanishaustralian 2 years ago
HAHA OK, so I have not laughed that hard in a while. Very well put.
OccamsRazors 2 years ago
Holy crap, you're awesome.
So... wanna get gay-married? y/y?
Seriously, though. I love your videos. Thanks for fighting the good fight.
lookwhatidid312 2 years ago
NO, HE"S GONNA MARRY ME! D:<
Vwassel 2 years ago
This is the exact reason we gays get laughed at and mocked. When people think of a gay guy they picture this and think "Wow, what a fag" I mean damn...This also is one of the reasons I used to be ashamed of being gay...Because I thought I'd turn out like this...Thank God I didnt.
MikeyxMassacrex 2 years ago
Holy shit...you're a guy?
Ok, I would NOT hit that.
sidchimaera 2 years ago
I'd hit it.
sidchimaera 2 years ago
Shemale?
fiestavee 2 years ago
Never stop talking! Please.
turtle2hug 2 years ago 3
suck your mum you fuckin cunt
MultiGreat1 2 years ago
Shag some sheep... oh my.
Might offend someone's traditional values. Nice ending.
5 stars
Kargoneth 2 years ago
You can add Arizona to your list of first cousins marrying. Although they restrict it - you both have to be over 65 or you have to prove one of you is infertile. Obviously marriage isn't for procreation, so... ?
educatedsavage 2 years ago
What should happen is the government should get itself out of marriage completely, because it has no business dictating the home lives of ANYONE, gay, straight or other. Gay people shouldn't NEED extra tax breaks because the government shouldn't be taking half of everyone's daily bread through a thousand different taxes! The answer for freedom is less government, not more.
SaintEntreri 2 years ago
Are you playing the music that Hannibal Lector was playing when he killed Sargeant Pembrey?
TheProf1988 2 years ago 2
I've just been reading some of the arguments against incest and paedophilia. It's shocking how similar these arguments are to anti-homosexuality arguments.
I think all are vacuous- people need to come up with better arguments than ones currently used if they want to convince people like me.
Two 15 year olds having sex and adult familial relatives having sex are just as much victimless crimes as homosexuality was in the past.
TheProf1988 2 years ago
Why doesn't the government provide Civil Unions to both gay and straight couples, and leave it to the church to decide if they want to call it marriage or not?
GFHandelfan 2 years ago
because the church has absolutely zero right to decide anything about anyone's lives. And they know it, religions hold no power over the intelligent, but unfortunately, in America, only about 10% of the citizens here are actually intelligent. The rest might as well be blithering invalids. Because that's how they act most of the time. Especially the religious, it's a fact the more you believe in a religion, the lower your intelligence becomes, blind faith breeds zero intellect
TheRealScarr 2 years ago
This seems more dogmatic than most religious assertions. Can you support your claims?
Gnowbie 2 years ago
First off, there is no possible way my previous statement can be considered "dogmatic" in any sense of the word. Secondly if anyone wants proof of the fact that the more religious you become, the less intelligent you are, all you need to do is hold a conversation with one of the millions of religious zealots out there. Bring up evolution in the conversation, and watch them spout out blind absurdities about how evolution is fiction and their sun god is the only way we were all created.
TheRealScarr 2 years ago 2
I am afraid that individuals are not always indicative of whole populations. Please, demonstrate that the more religious a person is, the less intelligent they are. You have yet to offer evidence on behalf of this statement.
Gnowbie 2 years ago
gnowbie you idiot....he supported his claims right in the video with evidence...didn't you watch the video? And ...more dogmatic than religious assertions?!?!.....FUCK YOU you troll.
AntiSnoopDogma 2 years ago
My sincere apologies to gnowbie....turns out your comment that I responded to was directed at a commenter.....But that commenter is right....Studies show that there is an inverse relationship between intelligence level and religousity....the more intelligent people are the less religious then tend to be.
AntiSnoopDogma 2 years ago
Please, don't feel too terribly bad. Your calling me an idiot is not too terribly off the mark. While I am not particularly inclined to make universal claims, I do not doubt that there might be a correlation between intelligence and religion. However, I have yet to be presented with sufficient evidence to accept the claim that "it's a fact the more you believe in a religion, the lower your intelligence becomes".
Gnowbie 2 years ago
The studies that I have seen trying to draw a correlation between intelligence and religiousness seem shaky.
Perhaps it is my Western bias, but I find myself indebted to religious men and women who seem at least to this ignoramus to be quite brilliant (e.g. Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître).
Gnowbie 2 years ago
If you look at the playlist he tranforms from he to she.
kefka46tx 2 years ago
I heard about this woman marrying an amusement park ride. Sadly,it was in my state and near me. I think it was in Kenobles.
Okay... people can marry objects,and this woman even married herself and some guy married his dog. Yet,no gay marriage? :(
TheElectricDreamer93 2 years ago
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What the Fuck are you? Your like the "PAT" (guy/girl) character from SNL. You look like one of those freaks that goes to parties late. When everyone is shit faced and doesn't know who the fuck you are. Picks up on horny/drunk dudes to give them a ride home. To see if you can get their drunken man-meat down your gay-bob, cock-chops. Before the dude passes out. Or finds out that your penis-packing, cross-dressing, queer-bag.
grassburner 2 years ago
Wow, someone's fascinated with gay sex.
ZJemptv 2 years ago