these things didint deserve to be nerfed, it was the reason they were level 67.....................now the spas 12 has more range than them and thats retarded becaus their level 1!
@dancinghoboman You're right, the patch ruined the models and the game you get them at lvl 67 but they're weaker then the Spas wich you get at the beginning
@mrshane3x im playing it, but i just got it unlocked... u mean it had a longer range then the other shotguns and now its patched and the range is same like the other shotguns?
@xXtolgasavasXx the same as other shottys?!!! i get dual hitmarkers for point blank range and one more thing look at the stats for the 1887s theyre supposed to reach far but now the bullets jut go 5ft and fucking tranform to fucking buterflies or somethin
I hate that they patched those things, those guns were awesome. But because a bunch of whiners we lose a kick ass gun. Now there completely useless, it takes like 2 to three hits to kill. Instead of fixing needed things like lightweight, marathon, and commando or how a knife can kill you in one hit but a bullet takes up to 8 hits to do the job. Basically This game is seriously flawed mostly due to cry babies and shotty testing.
@bluefalcon16 The game isn't broken because of people, it's broken because IW did a louzy job in balancing and catered too much to casual players. Black ops should be different.
@gamingkid69 Knifing does not take skill ever since it included the lock on within range feature. The concept of the tube itself is fine, they just need to work on a few things like prevent being able to get infinite ammo for it and make it somewhat of a challenge to obtain.
@TheOvechkinFans A single model used to go further then the Spas. On The PC version FMJ never made a difference. I don't know if there has been any recent patch to either the PC or console versions which have affected the Models.
@mrshane3x The single has been slightly below range of a spas, i tested it out. And other people have confIrmed it too. It's weak though. tI have no clue about the PC version of mw2 because I play Xbox. I don't think there was a recent patch about the Models
The Spas (a weapon you get at the start) rapes the models... a weapon which you get at the end. This is fucking bull shit! Either fix the models, or nerf the spas.
And for those who don't understand the spas 12, grip and fmj is useless. Grip only reduces recoil and nothing else. It does not add range or affect spread. The spas 12 is uneffected by recoil as it is a pump action shotgun, providing a cooldown for the recoil during the pump. Fmj is glitched and does not work. And holo sight and red dot is pointless for a shotgun. Thus only extended mags provide benefit to the spas 12.
My argument is why the hell would akimbo have less range then the single. Just because your duel weilding weapons doesn't mean it will drastically change the characteristics of the gun. It would only decrease accuracy. How those idiots at infinity ward think is beyond me. The single model has less range then the spas 12 now so all I would like is for them to make akimbo and single equal range.
@501stormtroopers And if you die once ever in multiplayer the game should automatically uninstall itself, see where the real life arguments end up in the end? Feel free to read the comment history for this video as to why this isn't a good argument for returning them back to normal.
@mrshane3x don't talk about life in a game cos it's never going to work because in every single game you can always press start and leave game in life you can't.
@N4RVS I have no idea which comment you reply is directed to (Blame YouTube) but the game is modeled from life, so it's impossible not to draw information from it. Since it's a game we can control factors and scenarios not possible in the real world.
@knightwazhere Out of all the things you could have discuss regarding this video which would have been somewhat constructive you decide to nit pick, nice.
best shotty now is spas-12. the best shotty is the shotty that has the longest range. before the patch, it were the akimbo's that were the best, not only because of the range but you had 2 shotty's so a bigger chance to kill someone. Now the spas is the best...
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it just doesnt make sense models should have its old range that is at least more realistic to the game IW could have patch the damage than the range of it
The game is photo-realistic, there are way too many innaccuraries for the game to be consider realistic. Reducing the damage would still have the same effect as reducing it's range. It would just be the shotgun attachment then, which is pretty lame to begin with.
Before a single model used have a larger range then the spas but it seems like that made a single one have less range too. if you want a single model use the spas, it's faster.
Well you guys bitch about the game not being realistic. Look up the models before the patch they were suppose to go that far in Real life... SPAS-12 is Garbage I still Use the models after the patch to represent the best shottys in the game. Go ahead give me a Thumbs down... Models are NOT useless!!!
The spas has a much longer range and a shorter time between being able to fire the next short. Also you can fire before the pumping animation is fully finished which lets you get in a shot a second.
would u consider akimbo rangers better than akimbo models? because i find the rangers excellent and love the akimbo and if models are better then il use them
im glad they patch it , i hated that shit , it was so unrealistic people killing people from like 100 yards away with a shotgun , lets be real that was lame and it pissed me off.
It isn't about the guns being unrealistic, it was about game balance since there was very little trade off for being able to sustain 14 one hit kills at medium range in a row.
While we are at it, let's remove all the other weapons in the game and use the models as snipers too and we can call the game Woody's rootin' tootin' shoot out.
Did you actually read any of the comments/annotations/description box? This has been stated a million times over. The only reason you are saying this is because you are playing a console version of the game which the patch hasn't happened for you yet.
@shinymarshtop2 There are still items of use you have to yet to unlock but depending on your play style their usefulness will vary. The AK is an excellent choice as it is a scar with more ammo and a tar with less recoil.
I've tried them over and over and they seem absolutely worthless now, very rarely can I even get a kill double shoting people with stomping power and bling akimbo. They just seem absolutely worthless now.
I don't think they were overpowered before because the reload time was a big con to the weapon and made it balanced, but now the weapon seems like it should be unlocked at lvl 5 lol it's crap...
Honestly, no. They are the same as the Mp44 from CoD4, An old weapon unlocked late which is crap. Only difference was Mp44 was never OP so no-one talked about it. The spas 12 has a RoF of about 1 bullet per second, using Akimbo Models it had a longer range then the spas (which is huge, but not OP due to the rate of fire) but using alternate fire you could fire a bullet every 0.5 seconds and since this guns bullets are the most powerful it didnt need a higher RoF.
Actually, I've gotten a multi-kill with one shot of a model akimbo with no steady aim or stopping power, just akimbo, which happened yesterday.
The SPAS is NOT better than the models once it comes to close range, and it seems to me that they weren't even patched. I can still shoot a model and kill some one in one hit from about 40 ft. away.
Of course akimbo models are better then a spas at close range, but there are better choices if you want a close range weapon. Whatever you think the model range is now, the spas beats it by a long shot.
I'm sure by now all consoles have received all of patches which reduce the range of the models, no matter what combination or attachments or perks you use. Spas is better then a single model but is outdone when within the range of a akimbo model user.
I would really debate the benefit (if any it would be very little) of using a grip on the spas simple because the effect of grip is applied from shooting you have to pump anyway. There have been additional patches since this video and now the patch has the longest range.
@ItsBulletBitch345 well on ps3 I can totaly tell range is still patched on 1887's unfortunatly. I still can't find a nice replacment for them for my secondary weapon, I seem to be trying everything.
Anyone have a idea of a good secondary weapon for a sniper class?
@blueiceplayer could always use the spaz or striker....hasn't got the range but with marathon and lightweight (use m21qbr) sniper will work fine....or simply stick ambiko g18's on
@pwnboy228 Yes, I know. I've made a video about it quite a while ago. You seem to have no understanding of game balance. Each gun should have it's pro's and con's and purpose (such as what situations would warrant its use). Please read 'all' the comments for this video and you will easily see why you are wrong.
@SalmonAndrew This applies to most weapons, although at least having to equip stopping power and steady aim makes it a lot fairer since your giving up something in exchange for other advantages.
fuckers... fuckers... fuckers... they patched it again u know.. now it wont even work w/ bling. wht the hell is the point of getting them at 67? they're supposed 2 be incredible. jesus
Wtf patched, it's all a lie! ive never used it except for like a week ago! I picked up model 1887 I was hideing in a corner in a crack ( dark wall) my friend ran by! (he was on the hole other side of the room!) BANG! I killed him..? and the distance was way longerthan you showed it as
@kingmiller30 There could be a number of reasons for this. #1 - You are using a console version of the game which has not yet received a patch addressing this #2 - You arent using an up-to-date PC version of the game #3 - You were using a single Model, which to the best of my knowledge has not had its range affected at all.
There are many other videos also proving the range of Akimbo Models has been nerfed on the PC anyway so you can't exactly say Im lying.
I never used the 1887's b4 they were nerfed. But i saw some videos of it and it had some long-ass range lol. But my favorite shotgun is still the Spas-12.
if u gwet bling with steady aim with akimbo and full metal jacket it can go as far as the old models and without steady aim commando sitrep etc it goes as far as the old patch al most lol but sill good if u jump shot good to but the patch i increased everything but the strikers range and the models range
@Ratchet129 They've already patched up the Bling Pro and the FMJ + Akimbo trick. As for steady aim, it decreases the hip fire spread so this means more bullets are closer together and would do more damage at longer ranges since most of the bullets are hitting. It doesn't actually increase the range.
I think they nerfed them too much, like the Spaz has good range... No one cares about that? I think they should bring the range on the Models up a bit, and patch the bling pro.
The spas cannot akimbo and therefore is slower then the akimbo models. While I do agree the range of the models got nerfed way too much, at least something was done. Bling Pro has already been patched.
Yes, Besides being told this a million times in previous comments, first 10 seconds of this video and in a video response I made thank you for telling me something I never knew. I have not seen a detailed analysis proving the bling pro models has a range that exceeds the previous range before the nerf. I have only seen other videos which show the range has returned to what it was pre-patch.
wtf they made them abit suck know i used to own with them before patch then i picked them after my prestige i was shooting a guy that normaly would hit and i was failing and died :S it take alot to get to lvl 67 and some ppl would not do prestige bcs of them and the ak47 but know they blew it
it should have been set to level 70 instead of patching it? anyway i didnt have the game at the time when the patch came out but how did you guys know what was being patched? did you get a message or something?
No-one knows whats being patched besides a 'tweet' from Rob because IW doesn't release proper patch notes (as of yet) but people test things and then other people catch on.
Also making the gun unlocked at level 70 would only delay people from getting it for a short amount of time, wouldn't fix the problem.
Right, that makes sense. If you are outside their range yeah of course you can beat them. However, once you move within range (which is very large) no other gun can match its accuracy and power within 1/2 clicks.
@winmill15 Not in this patch. I don't believe Chopper gunners are OP simply because you don't have to have a dedicated anti-air weapon to be able to hurt them, plus the fact they rarely called into battle. Cold Blooded also pretty much makes killstreaks wasted against you.
I agree, but the chopper gunner is a reward for you raping everybody and showing skill in a match. However the 1887's are unlocked for simply enduring the game's levels.
yea but the models are nearly pacthed dnow all you gotta do is put fmj on it but it wont put much more power on it so there kinda underpowered now :( and the Ak-47 is dissapointing getting to level 70 to get that shit thats annoying
using bling pro for the models restores it's range to what the akimbo models were pre-patch. There was never damage reduction. Th ak47 isnt too bad, it's recoil is only visual so it's a faster scar.
@ICrusherRiderI I'm going to assume you can't read. Please save all further discussion about this for the video which extends on this patch further which you can access from the video responses panel.
@LoveForCallofDuty People who are level 67 for the most part should not be 'noob', since they have been able to get to that level without the Model's so they will be fine if they don't use them.
@FEARdaMEDIC I swear no-one reads. Please look at the annotation at the start and also my video which further extends the discussion and analysis of the patch.
@Luigi257 The game should not include a weapon that is 'better' then a lot of other weapons or makes them redundant. There are many weapons of varying strengths and weaknesses and it's up to you to choose a balance between those.
Please watch my video which further extends this discussion,
I have no problem with that gun. I use a UMP 45 and Akimbo Rangers. but i always looked forward to getting the models. its supposed to be a reward for getting to level 67.
@Luigi257 The guns are meant to be balanced so no matter what set-up you use as long as you have skill you can beat any other set-up. The old range of the models pretty much negated the need for a variation in tactics and skill since they could outperform many other guns.
In CoD4 when you got to the final levels you also could get a gun from an older time period, but unlike the models before the patch it was pretty bad compared to the 'Modern' weapons available.
exactly people fucking moan but it takes work to get to lv 67, fucking basterds now i have to use fucking bling with it to put fmj, so it has the same range as it used to.
@poodle2426 It's time, not work that gets you to level 67. Newer players to FPS in general will take a lot longer then seasoned FPS players. Your comments indicate you think the whole game should be based around these weapons, which clearly shows they weren't balanced.
Hey Shane I got a question what do you think of the change in the Model 1887's range.(Update)
Is it better then most Shotguns now or most secondaries?Would Akimbo Magnums be a better alternative to the Model 1887's if the range decrease is that BAD?
@rhythms11 Check out my Akimbo Model Revisited video for further thoughts from me. Although I went most of the game using the spas 12 but now I use Akimbo Silenced G18's for all my classes.
these things didint deserve to be nerfed, it was the reason they were level 67.....................now the spas 12 has more range than them and thats retarded becaus their level 1!
7thGRADEgaming 8 months ago
@bas949 I don't think you would brake your arms
matty9460 10 months ago
@dancinghoboman I agree completely
matty9460 10 months ago
why did u fags ask for a patch they werent even over powered pistols had better range and still do.i also see it as a treat b4 u prestige. fags
dancinghoboman 1 year ago
@dancinghoboman You're right, the patch ruined the models and the game you get them at lvl 67 but they're weaker then the Spas wich you get at the beginning
MrGrecoboy 8 months ago
if you try to shoot these guns akimbo for real you'll break your arms
bas949 1 year ago 2
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Iw I hope u all die but first unpatch the models
umbergerwill 1 year ago
range has been reduced by 2.7m
Busher50 1 year ago
@Busher50 Based on anything methodical and verifiable or just guesswork?
MyGamersOfficial 1 year ago
thats why they were the last shotguns
nintendomen1212 1 year ago 2
@nintendomen1212 The MP44 back in Cod4 was also an old gun that was unlocked pretty much last and it was the complete opposite of how the model was.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
@mrshane3x yeah but i bet it didnt use to rape like the models did
nintendomen1212 1 year ago
@nintendomen1212 Umm, that was my point.
mrshane3x 1 year ago 2
@mrshane3x i meant i bet they didnt patch how good it was
nintendomen1212 1 year ago
modles are gay anyway
drader1000 1 year ago
what is the model 1887 thing and what did they patched?
xXtolgasavasXx 1 year ago
@xXtolgasavasXx I'm assuming you don't play MW2? It's a shotgun unlocked very late that used to have long range, a really long time ago.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
@mrshane3x im playing it, but i just got it unlocked... u mean it had a longer range then the other shotguns and now its patched and the range is same like the other shotguns?
xXtolgasavasXx 1 year ago
@xXtolgasavasXx It used to be pretty OP. Now it's just terrible. Pick something else for a secondary. I recommend Akimbo G18's.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
@mrshane3x whats OP xD, thx for ur advice but its kinda noobish to use gay18...
xXtolgasavasXx 1 year ago
@xXtolgasavasXx Overpowered. Seriously don't listen to other people, they will always be complaining about something. Just use whatever you want.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
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xXtolgasavasXx 1 year ago
@mrshane3x which comment did u delete from me and y? oO
xXtolgasavasXx 1 year ago
@xXtolgasavasXx I don't remember, I wouldn't have done so without good reason (or it was an accident).
mrshane3x 1 year ago
@xXtolgasavasXx the same as other shottys?!!! i get dual hitmarkers for point blank range and one more thing look at the stats for the 1887s theyre supposed to reach far but now the bullets jut go 5ft and fucking tranform to fucking buterflies or somethin
eXocowboysrule321 1 year ago
@eXocowboysrule321 wat
xXtolgasavasXx 1 year ago
ahh i really want them to unpatch this because i miss the old models and i want my babys at their full range
rko1997 1 year ago
@rko1997 I love when everyone uses the same gun, same strategy and broken gameplay too =D
mrshane3x 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
If you want unpatch the Model's
Just go on google and type Model 1887 Unnerf Petition.
It's free and IW promised that if 10.000 Model lovers sign the petition they would
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BushidoBoy96 1 year ago
They should just fixed the spas and left the models alone
Tigersfan829 1 year ago
I hate that they patched those things, those guns were awesome. But because a bunch of whiners we lose a kick ass gun. Now there completely useless, it takes like 2 to three hits to kill. Instead of fixing needed things like lightweight, marathon, and commando or how a knife can kill you in one hit but a bullet takes up to 8 hits to do the job. Basically This game is seriously flawed mostly due to cry babies and shotty testing.
bluefalcon16 1 year ago
@bluefalcon16 The game isn't broken because of people, it's broken because IW did a louzy job in balancing and catered too much to casual players. Black ops should be different.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
@mrshane3x no its balanced but ppl that get killed too much find an excuse and bitch about it till it becoms a big thing and then patches are born
eXocowboysrule321 1 year ago
@bluefalcon16 nah, stuff the knifing idiots, at least knifing takes skill, they should patch noobtubes and mainly DANGER CLOSE!
gamingkid69 1 year ago
@gamingkid69 Knifing does not take skill ever since it included the lock on within range feature. The concept of the tube itself is fine, they just need to work on a few things like prevent being able to get infinite ammo for it and make it somewhat of a challenge to obtain.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
@bluefalcon16 i once got four hitmarkers on one guy but he just walked through my five pounds of lead and knifed me
eXocowboysrule321 1 year ago
So, only the akimbo for the model got patched? or also just the normal single model got patched?
GhostAnimals93 1 year ago
@GhostAnimals93 The single was patched too.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
@mrshane3x I dont think so, the single model 1887 has been untouched and with fmj it;s range is slightly below spas 12
TheOvechkinFans 1 year ago
@TheOvechkinFans A single model used to go further then the Spas. On The PC version FMJ never made a difference. I don't know if there has been any recent patch to either the PC or console versions which have affected the Models.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
@mrshane3x The single has been slightly below range of a spas, i tested it out. And other people have confIrmed it too. It's weak though. tI have no clue about the PC version of mw2 because I play Xbox. I don't think there was a recent patch about the Models
TheOvechkinFans 1 year ago
@mrshane3x Wow, that sucks, I only use single, but it's still fun using it.
GhostAnimals93 1 year ago
The Spas (a weapon you get at the start) rapes the models... a weapon which you get at the end. This is fucking bull shit! Either fix the models, or nerf the spas.
ItsCanada 1 year ago
@ItsCanada The Models were OP because the akimbo negated the ROF.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
And for those who don't understand the spas 12, grip and fmj is useless. Grip only reduces recoil and nothing else. It does not add range or affect spread. The spas 12 is uneffected by recoil as it is a pump action shotgun, providing a cooldown for the recoil during the pump. Fmj is glitched and does not work. And holo sight and red dot is pointless for a shotgun. Thus only extended mags provide benefit to the spas 12.
TheAznElement1 1 year ago
My argument is why the hell would akimbo have less range then the single. Just because your duel weilding weapons doesn't mean it will drastically change the characteristics of the gun. It would only decrease accuracy. How those idiots at infinity ward think is beyond me. The single model has less range then the spas 12 now so all I would like is for them to make akimbo and single equal range.
TheAznElement1 1 year ago
I think they shuold had patched it whith 20 or 25%
TheFullmetalTV 1 year ago
they need to put the models back to normal. it is a rifle shotgun it has that range in real life.
501stormtroopers 1 year ago
@501stormtroopers And if you die once ever in multiplayer the game should automatically uninstall itself, see where the real life arguments end up in the end? Feel free to read the comment history for this video as to why this isn't a good argument for returning them back to normal.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
@mrshane3x don't talk about life in a game cos it's never going to work because in every single game you can always press start and leave game in life you can't.
N4RVS 1 year ago
@N4RVS I have no idea which comment you reply is directed to (Blame YouTube) but the game is modeled from life, so it's impossible not to draw information from it. Since it's a game we can control factors and scenarios not possible in the real world.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
@501stormtroopers then it would be to overpowered
eriklovessof2 1 year ago
why do you say 1-8-8-7, when its 1887
knightwazhere 1 year ago
@knightwazhere Out of all the things you could have discuss regarding this video which would have been somewhat constructive you decide to nit pick, nice.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
;( i never got to noob with the 1887s
meliketokill 1 year ago
3rd person looks so crap
OllieLikesWalking 1 year ago
best shotty now is spas-12. the best shotty is the shotty that has the longest range. before the patch, it were the akimbo's that were the best, not only because of the range but you had 2 shotty's so a bigger chance to kill someone. Now the spas is the best...
R10jeeh 1 year ago
FMJ doesn't make it do more damage it just helps it penetrate through stuff
kingjack9999 1 year ago
FMJ does not increase damage to any gun. It reduces the damage reduction caused by shooting through walls and other objects.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
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seanhalo976 1 year ago
They may suck now, but they're still fun to use when you kill someone with them. I guess i'll stick to the SPAS-12 w/ grip in my try-hard class....
SaladNinja3569 2 years ago
They aren't useless I picked them up today to see how shit they are now and went for 2 kills to an ac130!
rattyfin 2 years ago
Useless = Other guns outperform it.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
codmw2 it's sux . waiting for codwaw2
assusao20 2 years ago
The game itself is pretty good for the most part, it's the no dedicated servers part which is letting it down the most.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
it just doesnt make sense models should have its old range that is at least more realistic to the game IW could have patch the damage than the range of it
ZSN1P3R 2 years ago
The game is photo-realistic, there are way too many innaccuraries for the game to be consider realistic. Reducing the damage would still have the same effect as reducing it's range. It would just be the shotgun attachment then, which is pretty lame to begin with.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
wtf now models suck
iTzk00laid 2 years ago
@iTzk00laid ir you could just learn to play with the other guns?
mrshane3x 2 years ago
models best
ZeroStyle929 2 years ago
so the akimbo models range was decreased but not the range of a single one?
byronrush1 2 years ago
Before a single model used have a larger range then the spas but it seems like that made a single one have less range too. if you want a single model use the spas, it's faster.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
they patched the distance
Filam09 2 years ago
i h8ed wen people walked round wd MODELS on derail thts FUKIN BULLSHIT WITH A SHOTTY
MrBlaZeR2k9MrKzMw2 2 years ago
Well you guys bitch about the game not being realistic. Look up the models before the patch they were suppose to go that far in Real life... SPAS-12 is Garbage I still Use the models after the patch to represent the best shottys in the game. Go ahead give me a Thumbs down... Models are NOT useless!!!
WiiWillRockU2 2 years ago
@WiiWillRockU2 yeah they're not useless, they're fucking shit lmao
voodoomau5 2 years ago
wt do u think IS BTR nw tht th patch is out models or a diff shoty ??
MrBlaZeR2k9MrKzMw2 2 years ago
It really depends on your playing style and what other weapon/equipment/perks you are using.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
so what ur saying is that the single model is better than akimbo???
da9007 2 years ago
That depends on your playing style. I would use the Spas over the models.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
@mrshane3x Spas to rush around with?
da9007 2 years ago
The spas has a much longer range and a shorter time between being able to fire the next short. Also you can fire before the pumping animation is fully finished which lets you get in a shot a second.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
would u consider akimbo rangers better than akimbo models? because i find the rangers excellent and love the akimbo and if models are better then il use them
GoodGameGanker 2 years ago
I think the Akimbo rangers would be better then the Model's now. If you plan on using them often you should consider the Sleight of Hand perk.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
im glad they patch it , i hated that shit , it was so unrealistic people killing people from like 100 yards away with a shotgun , lets be real that was lame and it pissed me off.
Jamez8888 2 years ago
It isn't about the guns being unrealistic, it was about game balance since there was very little trade off for being able to sustain 14 one hit kills at medium range in a row.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
thats because its not a pump action
666maidenfan 2 years ago
If the shotguns were one bit realistic you should be able to get hitmarkers with the SPAS from across Wasteland.
kazetehskylord 2 years ago
Umm, a real life spas has about a 40m (130ft) range and one side of the wasteland to the other is more then 40m for sure.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
the new patch has killed the moddels with bling steady aim and fmj they still suck .
simmsfred 2 years ago
While we are at it, let's remove all the other weapons in the game and use the models as snipers too and we can call the game Woody's rootin' tootin' shoot out.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
models got pacthed today and they reduced the damage now so from that range its a 4 shot kill R.I.P. 1887s
binginging 2 years ago
Did you actually read any of the comments/annotations/description box? This has been stated a million times over. The only reason you are saying this is because you are playing a console version of the game which the patch hasn't happened for you yet.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
@shinymarshtop2 There are still items of use you have to yet to unlock but depending on your play style their usefulness will vary. The AK is an excellent choice as it is a scar with more ammo and a tar with less recoil.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
is it still worth the work to lvl up to? im a lvl 50 so i never got a chance to even use the old ones :(
shinymarshtop2 2 years ago
anyone find any use for the 1887's now?
I've tried them over and over and they seem absolutely worthless now, very rarely can I even get a kill double shoting people with stomping power and bling akimbo. They just seem absolutely worthless now.
I don't think they were overpowered before because the reload time was a big con to the weapon and made it balanced, but now the weapon seems like it should be unlocked at lvl 5 lol it's crap...
blueiceplayer 2 years ago
Honestly, no. They are the same as the Mp44 from CoD4, An old weapon unlocked late which is crap. Only difference was Mp44 was never OP so no-one talked about it. The spas 12 has a RoF of about 1 bullet per second, using Akimbo Models it had a longer range then the spas (which is huge, but not OP due to the rate of fire) but using alternate fire you could fire a bullet every 0.5 seconds and since this guns bullets are the most powerful it didnt need a higher RoF.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
Actually, I've gotten a multi-kill with one shot of a model akimbo with no steady aim or stopping power, just akimbo, which happened yesterday.
The SPAS is NOT better than the models once it comes to close range, and it seems to me that they weren't even patched. I can still shoot a model and kill some one in one hit from about 40 ft. away.
ItsBulletBitch345 2 years ago
Of course akimbo models are better then a spas at close range, but there are better choices if you want a close range weapon. Whatever you think the model range is now, the spas beats it by a long shot.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
Actually, I've tried both of their ranges, and Models right now have a 15 feet advantage over the SPAS.
ItsBulletBitch345 2 years ago
Singles maybe, akimbo definitely not.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
Single FMJ is The same thing as Akimbo Models.
But I was actually talking about the Akimbo Models only.
ItsBulletBitch345 2 years ago
I'm sure by now all consoles have received all of patches which reduce the range of the models, no matter what combination or attachments or perks you use. Spas is better then a single model but is outdone when within the range of a akimbo model user.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
SPAS is faster and with grip and fmj they have exactly the same range
McLovin2169 1 year ago
I would really debate the benefit (if any it would be very little) of using a grip on the spas simple because the effect of grip is applied from shooting you have to pump anyway. There have been additional patches since this video and now the patch has the longest range.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
I've found out that the SPAS has exactly 20-25 ft. range alone and 30-35 ft. with grip/fmj.
ItsBulletBitch345 1 year ago
Unless you have a video yourself investigating this I can watch I'll have to have a look at this later.
mrshane3x 1 year ago
@ItsBulletBitch345 well on ps3 I can totaly tell range is still patched on 1887's unfortunatly. I still can't find a nice replacment for them for my secondary weapon, I seem to be trying everything.
Anyone have a idea of a good secondary weapon for a sniper class?
blueiceplayer 2 years ago
Try Akimbo G18s or M93 Rafficas.
ItsBulletBitch345 2 years ago
It would vary based upon your set up and how you play as a sniper.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
Rafficas have the quick swap effect so they are a good choice
TheCheesedodo 1 year ago
@blueiceplayer could always use the spaz or striker....hasn't got the range but with marathon and lightweight (use m21qbr) sniper will work fine....or simply stick ambiko g18's on
LoneWolfSpike 1 year ago
@LoneWolfSpike thats a good idea thanks
blueiceplayer 1 year ago
@pwnboy228 Yes, I know. I've made a video about it quite a while ago. You seem to have no understanding of game balance. Each gun should have it's pro's and con's and purpose (such as what situations would warrant its use). Please read 'all' the comments for this video and you will easily see why you are wrong.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
yeh, i guess ur right... but i've been using the machine pistols lately.. the g18 particularly, i hate it's recoil tho..
pwnboy228 2 years ago
@thetenzintsung It's a great game, and could become even greater but is let down by several things.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
@SalmonAndrew This applies to most weapons, although at least having to equip stopping power and steady aim makes it a lot fairer since your giving up something in exchange for other advantages.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
one-eight-eight-seven LOL :)
ctbd23 2 years ago
fuckers... fuckers... fuckers... they patched it again u know.. now it wont even work w/ bling. wht the hell is the point of getting them at 67? they're supposed 2 be incredible. jesus
pwnboy228 2 years ago
aw man! i finnally got a ps3 today and getting mw2 tomorow, and i always couldn't wait to use the model 1997s, but now there not as cheap:(
thetenzintsung 2 years ago
Of you put bling stopping power and steady aim it's like nothing happened
SalmonAndrew 2 years ago
@shutupshamwowguyXD Maybe you care to elaborate? What platform of the game you are using would be a good start.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
didn't do a thing, still the same old noob gun
shutupshamwowguyXD 2 years ago
@elgabo360 For what platform and what version is that platform currently on?
mrshane3x 2 years ago
the model 1887 bling have been patched in 30/01/10
elgabo360 2 years ago
Wtf patched, it's all a lie! ive never used it except for like a week ago! I picked up model 1887 I was hideing in a corner in a crack ( dark wall) my friend ran by! (he was on the hole other side of the room!) BANG! I killed him..? and the distance was way longerthan you showed it as
kingmiller30 2 years ago
@kingmiller30 There could be a number of reasons for this. #1 - You are using a console version of the game which has not yet received a patch addressing this #2 - You arent using an up-to-date PC version of the game #3 - You were using a single Model, which to the best of my knowledge has not had its range affected at all.
There are many other videos also proving the range of Akimbo Models has been nerfed on the PC anyway so you can't exactly say Im lying.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
I never used the 1887's b4 they were nerfed. But i saw some videos of it and it had some long-ass range lol. But my favorite shotgun is still the Spas-12.
expertofclass 2 years ago
@expertofclass Yeah I used the spas from pretty much as soon as it was unlocked to level 70 before I prestiged.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
if u gwet bling with steady aim with akimbo and full metal jacket it can go as far as the old models and without steady aim commando sitrep etc it goes as far as the old patch al most lol but sill good if u jump shot good to but the patch i increased everything but the strikers range and the models range
Ratchet129 2 years ago
@Ratchet129 They've already patched up the Bling Pro and the FMJ + Akimbo trick. As for steady aim, it decreases the hip fire spread so this means more bullets are closer together and would do more damage at longer ranges since most of the bullets are hitting. It doesn't actually increase the range.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
I think they nerfed them too much, like the Spaz has good range... No one cares about that? I think they should bring the range on the Models up a bit, and patch the bling pro.
GamerNerdzzzz 2 years ago
The spas cannot akimbo and therefore is slower then the akimbo models. While I do agree the range of the models got nerfed way too much, at least something was done. Bling Pro has already been patched.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
Actually fmj + akimbo actually makes the range longer than before so YAAAY!
HnLAnimations 2 years ago
Yes, Besides being told this a million times in previous comments, first 10 seconds of this video and in a video response I made thank you for telling me something I never knew. I have not seen a detailed analysis proving the bling pro models has a range that exceeds the previous range before the nerf. I have only seen other videos which show the range has returned to what it was pre-patch.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
Use fmj and akimbo it goes back to normal slightly
thabigbomb 2 years ago
Besides it being mentioned in the comments 500 times, a message at the start of a video and a video response from myself thanks for telling me.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
wtf they made them abit suck know i used to own with them before patch then i picked them after my prestige i was shooting a guy that normaly would hit and i was failing and died :S it take alot to get to lvl 67 and some ppl would not do prestige bcs of them and the ak47 but know they blew it
attardwayne 2 years ago
it should have been set to level 70 instead of patching it? anyway i didnt have the game at the time when the patch came out but how did you guys know what was being patched? did you get a message or something?
Busher50 2 years ago
No-one knows whats being patched besides a 'tweet' from Rob because IW doesn't release proper patch notes (as of yet) but people test things and then other people catch on.
Also making the gun unlocked at level 70 would only delay people from getting it for a short amount of time, wouldn't fix the problem.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
yes but people want to prestige and from lvl 67 to lvl 70 is a hell of a long time
Busher50 2 years ago
if you play objective based game modes, do challenges and do well in general it's a few days at the most.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
fucking assholes complained about the 1887s
they were awsome
and easy to beat
shasanain 2 years ago
Right, that makes sense. If you are outside their range yeah of course you can beat them. However, once you move within range (which is very large) no other gun can match its accuracy and power within 1/2 clicks.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
Explain how they are easy to beat.
Bl00dyBriskit 2 years ago
are you from Australia?
mrmansaywhat 2 years ago
even with the nerf the models are still high tier weapons
holysnackpack 2 years ago
@holysnackpack Yes, they are just now limited to a more specific role as opposed to 'Use these guns only as everything else is fail'
mrshane3x 2 years ago
have they changed anything about chopper gunners?
winmill15 2 years ago
@winmill15 Not in this patch. I don't believe Chopper gunners are OP simply because you don't have to have a dedicated anti-air weapon to be able to hurt them, plus the fact they rarely called into battle. Cold Blooded also pretty much makes killstreaks wasted against you.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
@winmill15
hey you gotta think about ... a chopper gunner would kill anything in it's path so it's not really overpowered
gary4manutd 2 years ago
@gary4manutd
I agree, but the chopper gunner is a reward for you raping everybody and showing skill in a match. However the 1887's are unlocked for simply enduring the game's levels.
JaZzYSkIlLz94 2 years ago
yea but the models are nearly pacthed dnow all you gotta do is put fmj on it but it wont put much more power on it so there kinda underpowered now :( and the Ak-47 is dissapointing getting to level 70 to get that shit thats annoying
gary4manutd 2 years ago
using bling pro for the models restores it's range to what the akimbo models were pre-patch. There was never damage reduction. Th ak47 isnt too bad, it's recoil is only visual so it's a faster scar.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
IF u use bling pro is the range the same as it was b4 or is it a bit less
ICrusherRiderI 2 years ago
if u use FMJ and akimbo is the range the same again or a bit less
ICrusherRiderI 2 years ago
@ICrusherRiderI I'm going to assume you can't read. Please save all further discussion about this for the video which extends on this patch further which you can access from the video responses panel.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
if you use bling pro and use fmj the range becomes the same before the patch
FEARdaMEDIC 2 years ago
@FEARdaMEDIC yup :) dont tell all the noobs so that they use them as main weps in search and destroy again -_-
LoveForCallofDuty 2 years ago
@LoveForCallofDuty
hahhaha my bad
FEARdaMEDIC 2 years ago
lol, its the truth :P
LoveForCallofDuty 2 years ago
@LoveForCallofDuty People who are level 67 for the most part should not be 'noob', since they have been able to get to that level without the Model's so they will be fine if they don't use them.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
@FEARdaMEDIC I swear no-one reads. Please look at the annotation at the start and also my video which further extends the discussion and analysis of the patch.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
This patch is retarted. Is there any way to remove it? like Infinity Ward taking it off?
is there any way we can change their minds?
im barely level 61 and i havent gotten them yet.
I used to look forward to get the models but wats the point now?
its hell and you hate it when ppl use it against you.
but when you have it, you love them like hell.
1 month from release and theyre already nerfed.
Luigi257 2 years ago
@Luigi257 The game should not include a weapon that is 'better' then a lot of other weapons or makes them redundant. There are many weapons of varying strengths and weaknesses and it's up to you to choose a balance between those.
Please watch my video which further extends this discussion,
mrshane3x 2 years ago
I have no problem with that gun. I use a UMP 45 and Akimbo Rangers. but i always looked forward to getting the models. its supposed to be a reward for getting to level 67.
Luigi257 2 years ago
@Luigi257 The guns are meant to be balanced so no matter what set-up you use as long as you have skill you can beat any other set-up. The old range of the models pretty much negated the need for a variation in tactics and skill since they could outperform many other guns.
In CoD4 when you got to the final levels you also could get a gun from an older time period, but unlike the models before the patch it was pretty bad compared to the 'Modern' weapons available.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
exactly people fucking moan but it takes work to get to lv 67, fucking basterds now i have to use fucking bling with it to put fmj, so it has the same range as it used to.
poodle2426 2 years ago
@poodle2426 It's time, not work that gets you to level 67. Newer players to FPS in general will take a lot longer then seasoned FPS players. Your comments indicate you think the whole game should be based around these weapons, which clearly shows they weren't balanced.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
Hey Shane I got a question what do you think of the change in the Model 1887's range.(Update)
Is it better then most Shotguns now or most secondaries?Would Akimbo Magnums be a better alternative to the Model 1887's if the range decrease is that BAD?
rhythms11 2 years ago
@rhythms11 Check out my Akimbo Model Revisited video for further thoughts from me. Although I went most of the game using the spas 12 but now I use Akimbo Silenced G18's for all my classes.
mrshane3x 2 years ago
okay, there's just 1 problem, i play on the xbox ;)