From my memory they didn't facor in anything else other than wage rates in relation to SAT scores and how they correlate with IQ scores.
But then whether there were other factors wasn't really the point. The "we're all victims lobby", doesn't go around saying blacks and whites earn the same almost but blacks work longer hours, they say we need laws to control these things because blacks are paid less for the same work as whites. There research shows this to be untrue.
Are you speaking for that Uncle Tom Sowell Mutherfukker. Is he such a retard that he don't know what the hell he is talking about and can not explain himself in english.
Why not " Lower " taxes on companies and businesses giving them incentive to grow their businesses and hire more workers and sell more goods, which in turn creates more of a volume of tax payers, which will = highers taxes in revenue. then people will at least have a F##cking Job. rather than raise taxes and give no reason for any business to hire new workers, leaving them on unemployment. it makes no sense !
The democrats always tell the poor, were gonna take from the rich and give it to you. what they don't tell you is that you'll still be poor, but we'll get those evil republicans, and give a little bit to you.
but they don't offer any solutions in getting out of the poor house do they ? so the next time a Democrat makes promises on getting even with those evil republicans, understand that you are getting F##cked ! and left poor, all for your vote !
@gussom The working poor only pay about 10 % out of each weekly check they get for state and federal withholding tax. which is a very very small percentage and most of them can claim exemption on yearly taxes cause they make so little income each year. people who works their asses off and make good money can expect to pay up to 35 % of their gross income each year. but none any of those tax dollars actually help the poor get out of poverty.
@gussom, This notion by the democratic party that taxing the rich will somehow help the poor is just bull shit. only some of those tax dollars from wealthy American are used for social programs designed to keep the poor at the mercy of social programs to barely get by on. none of it is used to lift the poor out of poverty. and all the while, the poor are told that, it's those evil Republicans that are keeping you where you are. complete liberal democratic BULL SHIT !
Taxing the rich even a few more percentage points will not pay down the debt, or buy the poor a house or a car, or pay their electric bill. but what it will do is not give rich people any reason to grow their business, invest in the free market, or hire any new employees. to be quite blunt, higher taxes for the rich only end up hurting the middle class and the very poor. this is why Liberalism is a mental disorder !
The democratic party enslaves people to this day, by offering free food, via food stamps, free housing via welfare, and promising to tax those evil rich republicans, therefore somehow making poor peoples lives better. which is the biggest lie ever. because when you make taxes higher for the rich, that spend money on hotels, restaurants, and travel, all places where poor people work, you end up fucking everybody !
A lot of brain washed Liberal youth, have no clue that it was Republicans that brought about the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendment in the Constitution. many Republicans died to free the slaves, and give them voter rights, while Democrats fought it all tooth and nail. these are facts that the left would rather you not know. and the ironic part of it all is, Democrats enslave the masses to this day, by demonizing Republicans as Evil, and Racist, when it's the Democrats who are the real racist !
"The income difference between Western & Eastern Europe is much higher than the income difference between blacks & whites"
This statement literally blew my mind. As a black man myself, I've always speculated that even in indigenous white countries that there were financial struggles among people. Now, if so many members of my community would stop blaming white folks for everything...
@canisfamilliaris That may be true, but has that study identified other factors, such as the willingness to work longer hours or the will to acquire more/better skills? Any study can say "such & such is greater by so & so", but often such studies then to omit or ignore contributing factors toward such statements.
Wherever you have more government pushing equality. You have more racism. Self reliance, free trade, and some good old hard effort are the only way to drastically reduce discrimination. The most racist countries are the ones that have heavy governmental interference or influence.
I love how just a single drop of common sense totally mystify's this interviewer to the point where he's just befuttled. Common sense and liberals just don't mix in the least. And like a typical, "sensitive" and "caring" white male liberal...who's amazingly arrogant and self-righteous...facts and common sense just seem to enrage and frustrate him. Liberals can't be challenged in the least. That's why the American concepts of freedom of speech don't sit very well with them at all. lol
@MrSchultzstaffel I think Peter Robinson is only pretending to be mystified. He is a research fellow at the Hoover Institute (One of Sowell's safe havens) and his performance is a parody of the caring liberal. It is highly unlikely that Robinson could hold the position he does at Hoover if he didn't already share Sowell's point of view.
@daeuri Whoops! I stand corrected. I thought that might be true...but I was so focused on Mr. Sowell's common sense here that I didn't bother to read into the introduction. Thanks man! =D
@daeuri Agreed, I've attempted Devil's Advocate for issues I've disagreed with, it isn't easy and trying to sound honest about it, or not appearing like an idiot isn't easy as well.
@ShamanMcLamie I would have respected Robinson more if he didn't pretend to be something that he isn't. I would like to see Robinson and Sowell spend more time selling common sense and less time mocking or insulting people from the other end of the spectrum.
Wow! mhearstify, please inform me when Mr. Sowell stated there was no mistreatment of slaves. It is a sweet thing indeed when you can just make things up in the process of proving you are an idiot.
White libs aren't racists so much as white supremacists. They believe in the supremacy of the white race, which is why they think white people have a moral obligation to provide for blacks and Latinos. Conservatives on the other hand, truly believe in the notion that all men were CREATED equal and that everyone has the ability to provide for his own needs...special circumstances (like physical/mental handicap) excluded, of course...
Thomas Sowell is so full of it. Slavery is one thing but down right oppression of a race is another. This is what we have now is total oppression of Black Folks by the whites in America. It is based on the Protestant religion. the brotherhood of friends and their belief that they had the right to forms their own religion and oppress whom ever they wanted to oppress.
@comptonproduction you're being ridiculous...spouting unfounded ideas that you've heard, but never really tested. Black people aren't oppressed in America. You assert these notions as if they're absolute fact...I don't even know how to refute your assertions because you fail to provide any evidence. It's almost like someone saying, "the sky is falling." All you can really say is NO IT'S NOT!
@flizzleFlopper LOOK UP BROTHERHOOD OF FRIENDS. LYCHING OF THOUSANDS OF BLACKS AFTER THE CIVIL WAR WAS A DREAM. WRONG IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. THE KILLING OF MARTING LUTCHER KING WAS A DREAM THAT WAS IN THE SIXTIES. THE CONTINUED KILLING OF BLACKS BY THE POLICEMEN IS A DREAM. I DON'T THINK SO. YOU ARE LIVING IN A DREAM-WORLD.
Its a shame you see your people as nothing but victims. You need to drop the victim shit and open your mind to conservatives like Sowell, who are showing you the way out of this cultural suicide.
@MrSecondThoughts I would say it is more like genecide. before blacks got to this country whites have been committing genecide against blacks in America. Uncle Tom Sowell is an Idiot. He is doing Whites a disservice by not being truthful. He is kissing whites ass and feeding white a bunch of Bull Shi**. Suckers!!!!!!!!!!!!.
@comptonproduction " before blacks got to this country whites have been committing genecide against blacks in America" That makes no sense. You should try and look at things a bit differently. As you separate groups of people into race "whites", "blacks", you are pitting Americans against Americans. All this does is create a situation for hate to fester and perpetuates the problems.
@Naptownstreetsquid You did you study under ghondi or jesus crist. I didn't create hate sir: Hate has been around for years. centuries. You want me to kiss white folks ass. be a uncle tom like Uncle Tom Sowell. Kiss my ass!!!!!!!!!
@comptonproduction of course it has. You don't tell an artist they didn't create art because its been around since before they were born do you? Haven't you ever heard you get what you put out? Or what goes around comes around?
@comptonproduction you might have to read my previous comments to put the current comment into perspective. You where suggesting that because you where not the first person to hate that you can't create hate yourself.
@Naptownstreetsquid Are you putting words in my mouth or are you trying to say something that makes no sense at all. What kindergarden did you graduate from. I know you didn't finish high school or college.
Put a black face on the same simple explanations for the plight of blacks and America and voila...THOMAS SOWELL! Shilling for the right since 1980. You know, I have people say he hates black people. No, that's not correct. I would venture to say that men like Sowell, much like Clarence Thomas, Ward Connorly, Larry Elder, etc. hate BEING BLACK. Distinct difference. Intelligent...very much so. Myopic as all hell? Absolutely.
@cbaldwinjr Are you serious? They could have come to be conservatives unless they hate being black? Do you realize how incredibly stupid and racist what you just said was? I am not white and I am a conservative and the mere suggestion that I hate myself or my family for that matter really bothers me. Shame on you.
@cbaldwinjr the could not have come I mean. What exactly(in your confused head) makes you think they hate being black. Please elaborate on your suggestion and be detailed,
Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman always put a smile to my face!! They are always so happy. Obama is the opposite. he is always blaming someone or being condescending.
@rcmeyerson ..and look at these Liberals in this comment section accusing him of hating him self or other black people; it's disgusting. You wonder; can a conservative minority ever be respected by the Left?
Good question, and the answer in no. The role of the black man in leftwing politics is to be the permanent victim, down on the government program plantation. Uppity negroes like Sowell and Allen West are a mortal threat to this narrative, hence the all-out attack on them and their counter-culture of self-reliance. It's racism pure and simple.
Could it be that all men are not created equal? Although that may not sound politically correct the reality is we have a class society where the elite class, which is 1% of the population, own 90% of resources. The only way to create equality was to enslave everyone through laws more burdensome than any religion in history.
*yawn* so glad libertarians don't run this country
racism was implemented into the institution of slavery bc they weren't comfortable with the contradiction relative to the DOI? -_- Racism was a mechanism for division. after bacon's rebellion, the white elite feared more uprisings in the lower class. (b4 the rebellion poor whites and blacks weren't treated much diff). the privilege tht came w/ being white even tho they were poor was to discourage that unity which was a threat to the upper elite.
Yes because the democrats and the republicans have run this country really well the past 12 years. The only reason why racism came to existence wasnt because of the uprisings it was because people started to view slavery as immoral and against christianity and what countered that argument was the businessmen/slave owners started a "black is inferior to us" campaign. It was a form of division yes you are right on that part to divide but you are wrong with how they divided.
Slavery have always been around. The ancient puranas of India gives evidence of slavery in times beyond the great Egyptian period. However such slavery did not equate to mistreatment.
@mhearstify Wow, it is one thing to conclude that evidence suggests slavery existed back in the pre-Egyptian period. Very impressive. But to KNOW there was absolutely NO mistreatment is nothing short of awesome. Gee, I wonder how the powerful elites got their slaves to do stuff they didn't want to do. Maybe, the foremen passed out candy and used "pretty please" when they asked something unpleasant. Only Americans are evil enough to think of whips.
@fzqlcs Astonishingly ignorant post. Whips have been around for millenia, you half wit. I guess American whips were more "evil" than Mayans, for instance, sacrificing women and children to the Gods? Ripping hearts out of living people who lost soccer matches? Ghengis Khan slaughtering millions of Europeans? Arabs enslaving Africans and Europeans? Injustice Collectors like you are always so ignorant of human history. Just shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.
well one thing you can do is house, feed and educate them for their work. It's called Communism. Sounds bad but hell, it's better than what a lot of people are getting in America's so-called 'democracy'
@InnuendoXP Who proviedes the resources to house feed and educate everyone and how does useless work contribute to the overall society? And Democracy isn't a economic system it is a political system. What your thinking about is Capitalism and it kicks the ass off of Communism and mounts it above it's fireplace every single microsecond of the history of mankind.
yeah but my point was that democracy is not what you have. It's never democracy unless the people are politically active. It's not exactly a system, it's a practice, which is different.
And capitalism isn't at all what I was describing, Capitalism in it's purest sense is the free exchange of goods and services allowing people to profit from what they do. It's an economic system, not a political one. If it becomes a political one then the whole country becomes a marketplace which is dangerous because it dehumanizes people. It counts the value of a person as their value as a customer. And people without money cannot be customers.
@InnuendoXP We misinterpret each other. I know Capitalism is an economic system and all it can be is an economic system never a political. Now Communism is only a economic system, but are often run by Autocracies, that have so much power that it is doomed to be victim of mass corruption sooner or later. And because it isn't a democracy it lacks any accountability at all. No Democracies fail because the people fail to hold their elected officials accountable.
@InnuendoXP Second capitalism doesn't change the fact people are compassionate to their fellow man and that people have morals and values. These are what help prevent dehumanization. Second businesses strive to give people what they want. They can't force people to buy their goods so they have to give them what they want. And as to the poor, the poor can look for jobs, they can improve themselves. And people are generous their are plenty willing to give charity.
I'll agree that democracy fails when people stop being politically active. Nor was I attacking capitalism. However it begins to be a grey area when psychologists are employed by marketing companies to find ways to create desire in people for things they never would have otherwise purchased. When companies become large enough that it cannot be charitable because no individual runs it, you know how corporate entities often behave.
@InnuendoXP But individuals within the corporation, or investors of the corporation get a share of the profits and they can choose to give to charity. And yes people can be convinced to buy things they didn't want before, but instead of thinking it as brainwashing, it is more of informing people of a product and then them deciding if they want it. Without advertising many products we enjoy using would never have continued and what people spend their money on is ultimately up to them.
It's a blurry area between where demand exists and where demand is created. Yes, where demand is created it allows new kinds of products to succeed economically and this is indispensable in making technological progress in the lives of the everyday citizen which benefits many lives. However the detritus of this is disastrous ecological effects of the culture of consumption on the wider world, built in obsolescence in reiterated products and a materialistic culture
@InnuendoXP The first part of the last sentence is not a problem in any way. Built in obsolescence is creative destruction. It replaces an older product with a new and improved one and people are free to choose if the new and improved is worth spedning their money on. There is nothing wrong with a materialistic culture, so long as people understand they have to pay for that stuff they'll work harder producing more to get it.
The problem, is where people have a disconnect of value between work and production. For the cost we might pay for an iphone for instance, we are not the only ones paying for it, you might go into environmental costs, or perpetuating cheap labour. The built-in obsolescence, the artificial limiting of progress just so a product can be continually reiterated and resold, incredibly wasteful of resources.
@ShamanMcLamie The materials which make these products are limited, this is not acknowledged in modern economics as it dictates that wherever there is a demand, a supply will be found. This disconnect from reality is a dangerous one if it continues for too long. The problem with built-in obsolescence is that it wastes huge amounts of resources requiring everyone to pay more for what are ultimately tiny and trivial gains. Mobile phones are a prominent example of this.
@InnuendoXP Once again people are free to choose how to spend their money, if they find the additions valuable enough. As to your resources argument the Earth is big and full of un tapped resources, for years people predicted Peak Oil and new oil reserves were found. There was a fear of copper shortages for phones and then fiber obtics which are made of sand replaced copper. Also we can recycle resources. Plants and animals can reproduce. And technology constantly expands our resource horizon.
If we keep consuming and our population continues expanding, we're living on borrowed time.
Your right about the solutions offered in the sense that they would address current issues, but far less is being recycled than you seem to think as currently it's less financially viable to recycle products than simply mine new resources.
Peak oil is going to happen, the main concern is that the market will depend on adverse disastrous reactions happening in the FIRST world BEFORE they even begin to seriously develop alternatives and what will the long-term ecological effects be in the meantime?
@ShamanMcLamie The progress of technological advancement is in-fact being inhibited by economic factors which will milk an old technology for all it's worth before allowing an alternative to become widespread.
People aren't buying alternatives because they're not on the market and are not profitable for those who dominate the private industry. The monopolies and financial wealth & influence beyond wealth held by these entities is sufficient to deter alternatives being developed by alternative third parties.
We throw so much away, our current system of growth and disposal have only been going on for around a century and the future consequences will be dire.
@InnuendoXP Not true. If you notice alot of those aluminum coke cans you throw away are heavily valued, That's why most are recycled, Same with paper, It can bbe reused thousands of times over. Some items end up in landfill but a better alternative to waste disposal is to burn landfill items at such a high temperature. to where it breaks them down into very simple non toxic elements.
thirdly, when companies become multinational, production is taken outside the country for cheap labour and the jobs go overseas with it, THEN the poor suffer. It's one thing to say 'get a job', but when the production of the products the society buys is almost entirely international, when bottom-level production jobs are less avaliable or less dependable, the class of people who depend on that work suffer. That's the danger of single companies becoming too large
as to who provides the resources to house, feed and educate everybody, the same people who provided them before. The only real difference is how the system's managed. Do you allow people to be completely free agents and customers where private interests administer these services? Or do you have a system set up accountable to the peoples will, not profit which provides these services.
@InnuendoXP The problem with this is in a society where no one can get ahead of his fellow man, there is no need to advance. If I'm guaranteed all these things, why go to work, why work hard, why come up with new inventions. I'll always be in the same state no matter what I do. There is no dream of a success, or a nightmare of failure. Basically it destroys all responsibility. The only other option is coercion and that brings Communism to the level of Feudalism.
Self-advancement is the true incentive, on this you are correct. Money is our current incentive because it is what facilitates our self-advancement and gives us freedom to choose the manner in which to do this.
I'll concede to your point on personal responsibility and extend it to the flaws in lack of empathy on the part of structures and systems that are allowed to grow too large where individuals do not matter. Corporate conglomerates, large governments.etc
on your point about communism, since real communism depends on an absence of corruption of authority, in all fairness REAL communism has never been attempted. So you can't exactly say it's being hung over the fireplace by anything except by the current flaws of humanity.
@InnuendoXP The thing about REAL communism is it requires that people are perfect and everyone throughout it are perfect. Real communism has been attempted, just not achieved because it is impossible.
It'll be impossible until we have improved ourselves as a species above the level of the animal. In terms of self-assertion, egotism and aggression, where if put to the test, emotion will win out against reason, we remain animals as a species.
Real communism could work, but it requires us to iron out the flaws in human nature. If a system must be designed to make contingencies for major flaws, we have a lot of work to do.
@InnuendoXP Here is the problem, with your improvement. We as a species have hardly changed in over the last 10,000 years. The only thing that has is we've have learned more collectively. But our core animal instincts that make capitalism work and communism fail has reamined. The reason we don't evolve much anymore is because their are no natural pressures (Natural selection) influencing our development.
Some attempted to shape our evolution through "Eugenics" and failed.
The pressures we do have are almost entirely self-imposed and artificial in todays world, we create our own dangers and triumphs. If we continue this way ultimately our only long-term solution for self-evolution will be a technological one to enhance our minds and bodies whether by data-matrix mechanical means or genetic means such as gene therapy.
@ShamanMcLamie Eugenics was attempting to control genetics through imposed process of elimination, it failed because it became morally reprehensible in how it violated individual rights.
@InnuendoXP Why couldn't a Libertarian society not work. If you had a small limited government that only protected our rights, the Capitalist system would go on producing goods and products for a profit, the consumer gets the product and the producer gets the money that he can use to pay his employees run his infrastructure, improve his product and grow his business.
Ultra-libertarianism relies on each individual recognizing virtue and valuing the rights of others. It is incredibly attractive as an ultimatum in how to limit the influence of the tyranny of the majority and realise personal freedom. The problems with it are those of accountability to greater society. While you are not violating their rights, you are also not required to take civil responsibility beyond non-infringement.
You could say that economic factors limit or enhance personal liberty, so what then?
One could be a free market libertarian, or a socialist libertarian.
These are two extremes, cases in point are political figures Ron Paul and Tony Benn. Each believe in individual liberty, each also believes very differently to polar extremes how liberty can be facilitated.
@thespacialone They don't because no group is lobbying it at textbook commitees or textbook publishers, I don't know where your from but in retrospect on schooling in my country they have constantly slanted things like this into buzz words. Multiculturalism, equality, green jobs (can't think of any more but i know theres so many, help me out).
@skydome29 Well, Diversity is another one they like to pollute the ether with.
I imagine no text book gets written any more, let alone instituted, without the underlying assumption of "white racism" being the root of all the world's problems featuring as a strained sub-text, if not increasingly its the driving narrative.
I just want to know what the poor suckers who've been sold on the Fabian fairy tales are going to do to their overlords when they finally get it. I can't see it being pretty.
@thespacialone That's the one couldn't think of! It's incredibly ironic when they put out the message that "whites have always been rascist and the biggest damn problem since bacteria" and then you look at their "problem solvers" and they are the most degnerative, socially corrosive, and pretentious legislation on the books.
@skydome29 Less than 400 white farmers left in Rhoedesia (down from 4,500 in 2000), and they're STILL "the problem". British primary school children a minority in UK schools in a decade and the greatest obstacle to "social justice" in my nation is still "institutionalised racism".
And yet most whites still haven't woken up to the fact that whatever they do/say/think, we'll always be the bad guys. Well, at least I won't be watching X Factor when the seemingly inevitable happens.
What does he mean when he says that archeological records show slavery existed before reading and writing? How can skeletal remains and archeological tools show slavery existed? I have some knowledge of anthropology and that confuses me.
@darwinkilledgod I would say he can make that claim because slavery was normal in egypt and mesopotamia, which would most likely mean there was a precedent to slavery before these early civilizations. Idk about the archaeological evidence, but if there was remains of people of a lower economic or slave culture in a center of production, it would be fine to make such an argument. if there was a certain, low earning culture working in the limestone mines of egypt, it would be shown by their tools
Sowell is for the desperate: his arguments are pseudo-intellectual in nature and can only stand if not challenged. For example, he whines about Chomsky and others (not Friedman, of course) wandering outside of their "areas of expertise" (as if you can only have one and they don't overlap, etc), when he himself CONSTANTLY wanders into psychology and philosophy. Sorry Mr Sowell, you have to stick to economics. It's sad when people deceive themselves...
@tstruss912 What exactly is your argument against his arguments? It's weak and ignorant to discount someone's arguments just because you don't perceive them as a so-called expert. Anyone who's studied economics knows that it's more about philosophy than mathematics, so by making philosophical arguments, he's staying inside his "area of expertise" as you like to say.
@mfrazie I agree. You'll have to tell that to Sowell because according to him Chomsky and Krugman (dissidents of the leftist variety) are not allowed to talk about philosophy, psychology, etc because they're "not qualified". Also, he seems to discount any qualifications outside of the power system: only degrees and accolades given from those-on-high count for anything. Of course, he himself is exempt from his own rule, as is to be expected from a conservative.
He didn't say they weren't allowed to talk. He is actually criticizing the culture more than the individuals. The problem is not that they say what they say, the problem is that they are taken seriously for an illegitimate reason
As for Sowell himself, the only case in which I would agree that he is completely stepping out of his field is in his discussion of Global Warming, but then what percentage of his public career and reputation is based upon his global warming commentary?
@Aphoresis Exactly. The fact that he sits there and says "experts should be listened to" and then says "don't listen to 98% of climatologists" is pretty silly. That tells me that he's not objective and that even he doesn't take his "listen only to experts" nonsense seriously.
Let me clarify the distinction implied in my last comment. I don't think that Sowell would say unqualifyingly that "experts should be listened to". What I think he would say is that "experts have the ability to speak on their own field authoritatively". He would certainly take the position that there are a great many economists that shouldn't be listened to.
@Aphoresis I think Sowell's commentary on global warming is spot on actually. The video he talks about it in is even in the suggestion bar to the right lol.
@tstruss912 Or maybe Chomsky is a hack who hides behind arcane verbose nonsense, which automatically disqualifies him.
What the hell is the "power system" anyway? Let me guess, it's not the huge government created by Liberalism. It's some sort of ephemeral conspiracy that includes all of the most powerful people in the world who secretly control things. And they are evil Republicans. And they use FOX News to brainwash everyone. Sigh.
1% of the lunatics have 99% of the insanity. Occupy Youtube
@worldofdraculas Fox is propaganda, and you know it. They tell you what you want to hear. Chomsky tells the truth, which you don't want to hear. It's that simple.
@worldofdraculas - Yes, it was liberalism that increased the budget over the past 30 years and deficit spending....I guess you were asleep during the Reagan and Bush Administrations?
@AnnoyingXboxer Convenient, where you end up "smarter" than a majority of the country in your estimation. There are idiots interspersed everywhere. The ones who stand in the middle are extra stupid and crave attention and acceptance.
@AnnoyingXboxer it is fun to assume. i'm not a republican. way to project loser. lol. maturity? based on what. where and when. you are a sheep baahing in the wind. get a life. read a book maybe. haha.
@canefan17 Ugh, Clearly you lack the reading comprehension to be able to understand me.
There is no 'One way or the other' You are just brought up to think that those are the only options, When it is not. You clearly are incapable to think/understand things from an individual point of view.
@lankness1 You know what shocked the hell out of me? The horribly racist attacks I have seen on youtube directed at Thomas Sowell and Condaleezza Rice. by liberals. I mean; wow! (I am a mixed race/black conservative by the way)
I agree with Sowell on many of things but I disagree with him on the historical causes of the OW birth rate among Blacks. You cannot compare Black OW birth rates from 50 years ago to rates from the present, there are major modern variables, including cultural changes that have kicked up the rate within the country generally without regard to race.
What matters is that the OW Birthrate of Blacks 50 years ago was almost 5 times higher than Whites at that time.
@periechontology Sowell would agree that cultural changes had a great deal to do with the increase of these births, but he would also point out that with the explosion of government programs for the poor there was no longer the same downward pressure on blacks to refrain from creating these births in order to avoid destitution.
I was talking about his argument that the effects of historical racism has nothing to do with the rate, and his use of statistics to demonstrate that..
@AUSM92 It is in each nationstates interest to assure their workers a fair shake in the worlds economy. Offering a nations poor to multinaional corporations as cheap labor is not in the interest of the nationstate. That behavior is nothing more than exploitation, by the well connected and wealthy investors of that country. Chinese workers will never expierience wage inflation, but the well connected investment class,( which by the way has always existed in China) are getting richer by the day.
@louiethegreater Letting workers get ANY job that they can get is in the interest of the individual and also of the nationstate.
That is not exploitation. Exploitation is when a goverment manipulates the market to generate wealth for some, while making others having to compete with unfairly fonded competitors.
@ToxinalX Did you know that 80% of the newly generated income in the U.S. goes to 1% of the population. That is government minipulaton of the market, by refusing to place tariffs in third world imports. Domestic industries must outsorce in order to compete with multinationals. That one percent is creating jobs in Asia, and that new income is being produced off the backs of third world labor.
@louiethegreater And how why do you think it has come to that in the first place ?
Goverment manipulation of the global and domestic market have created gaps and hot air bubbles ever since it was first done.
Then we try to regulate it with a new law, but then that leads up to something new, so we try another law and so on.
The minimum wage for example not only increases discrimination, lowers the level of education and makes families much more dependant on a single provider....
@louiethegreater .... But then that provider is also much more likely to be a man, since he will most certainly not get pregnant and can also (at least in the majority of cases) take harder and more physical jobs than a woman.
All this leads up to increased inequality and then again, if the couple breaks up, more poverty and inequality.
What to do ? Well one suggestion is we try so called "Affirmative action".
That may fix the problem, but causes racism, corruption and ineffective education.
First, nothing wrong with having families dependant on a single provider. They're usually the happiest and healthiest families with the smallest rate of divorces. A woman's natural biological function is to raise and nurture young children (even though roles could be reversed). It's much better than having both parents working and a child being raised alone, just so the state can tax a few more people.
But better than allowing 'wild' capitalism or increasing regulation (that would result in descrimination, corruption or waste), how about just supporting these parents who choose to stay and raise their children. This would interefere much less with the markets, reduce descrimination, while increasing the quality of life for children, which to some extent is the state's responsibility
People are not robots, they're biological beings. It's about time economists recognize that.
@AUSM92 You are refuring to those specialties as being cheap labor: of course. How can you consider that leverage for the workers. The transition form subsistance farming to subsistance factory worker is of no advantage to the peasant who was forced into a cash economy, by their own governments. Producing products for export to the west, is of no advantage to the workers, they cannot afford to buy the products themselves. Could a .57/hr worker afford to buy a $1200. big screen TV.
@AUSM92 What I am saying is completely sensical, and it is the real world. If you do not understand what profits are than you need to visit the rudimets of business again.
@AUSM92 The best I can explain profits that you could understand is that 400% profits is 4x 100% profits. Does that make it clear?
Dollar stretching, do you mean like, having folks work for for you and live in shacks made out of shipping crates, while you live in a mansion.
Don't see your reasoning on continus education, we are training engineers to be WalMart greeters no. There are no jobs. Listen real close; There are 20 million ++++ unemployed americans.
@AUSM92 GM was not bankrupted by union Employees. They were bankrupted by unfair foreign competition. Such as Japanese imports. In the 1960 the Japanese placed 50 tariffs on U.S. made autos, but they sold their cars in the U.S. without tariffs. Same with motorcycles. Japan built their auto industry on the backs of unemployed americans.
@AUSM92 Well, after all Germany did invade Russia, shouldn't they have been more agressive. What do you mean a "bunch of strangers" would that be the citizens of ones own country or the citizens of countries a hemisphere away.
@AUSM92 So oursourcing one living wage countries jobs to some thirdworld subsistance wage country, is OK with you. That must mean you support the businesses that earns the 400% profits with total disreguard for the importing country that lost the jobs, otherwords the 20 million unemployed americans, in your mind is just lazy, do nothings that won't work, don't work, and is looking to get on the government dole.
@AUSM92 Are you a traitor. Shouldn't an american put the interest of his/ hers/ its own country and countrymen first. Do you really believe if you ask the men who fought and died in WW11 if they were were fighting so that Vietnamese workers could have jobs, while their own countrymen were unemployed, and Nike could make 1000% profits. I DONT THINK SO. Those men would call your mentality traitorous, and it must grieve them to hear you globalist traitors calling a protectioist a traitor.
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From my memory they didn't facor in anything else other than wage rates in relation to SAT scores and how they correlate with IQ scores.
But then whether there were other factors wasn't really the point. The "we're all victims lobby", doesn't go around saying blacks and whites earn the same almost but blacks work longer hours, they say we need laws to control these things because blacks are paid less for the same work as whites. There research shows this to be untrue.
canisfamilliaris 5 days ago
That's not true that race don't exist in Brazil.
comptonproduction 1 week ago
@comptonproduction he meant it metaphorically.
straubio 1 day ago
Are you speaking for that Uncle Tom Sowell Mutherfukker. Is he such a retard that he don't know what the hell he is talking about and can not explain himself in english.
comptonproduction 22 hours ago
This interviewer is horrible. After he asks a quetion, he crinkles his face and deeply tries to understand what Sowell is saying...hilarious.
ruffnecs 1 week ago
Why not " Lower " taxes on companies and businesses giving them incentive to grow their businesses and hire more workers and sell more goods, which in turn creates more of a volume of tax payers, which will = highers taxes in revenue. then people will at least have a F##cking Job. rather than raise taxes and give no reason for any business to hire new workers, leaving them on unemployment. it makes no sense !
TEAPARTYSAVAGE 2 weeks ago
The democrats always tell the poor, were gonna take from the rich and give it to you. what they don't tell you is that you'll still be poor, but we'll get those evil republicans, and give a little bit to you.
but they don't offer any solutions in getting out of the poor house do they ? so the next time a Democrat makes promises on getting even with those evil republicans, understand that you are getting F##cked ! and left poor, all for your vote !
TEAPARTYSAVAGE 2 weeks ago 6
@TEAPARTYSAVAGE Never heard that , everyone including the working poor pay taxes.
gussom 2 days ago
@gussom The working poor only pay about 10 % out of each weekly check they get for state and federal withholding tax. which is a very very small percentage and most of them can claim exemption on yearly taxes cause they make so little income each year. people who works their asses off and make good money can expect to pay up to 35 % of their gross income each year. but none any of those tax dollars actually help the poor get out of poverty.
TEAPARTYSAVAGE 1 day ago
@gussom, This notion by the democratic party that taxing the rich will somehow help the poor is just bull shit. only some of those tax dollars from wealthy American are used for social programs designed to keep the poor at the mercy of social programs to barely get by on. none of it is used to lift the poor out of poverty. and all the while, the poor are told that, it's those evil Republicans that are keeping you where you are. complete liberal democratic BULL SHIT !
TEAPARTYSAVAGE 1 day ago
HIGHER TAXES ARE PEOPLES WAGES !
HELLO ?
McFLY !
TEAPARTYSAVAGE 2 weeks ago
Taxing the rich even a few more percentage points will not pay down the debt, or buy the poor a house or a car, or pay their electric bill. but what it will do is not give rich people any reason to grow their business, invest in the free market, or hire any new employees. to be quite blunt, higher taxes for the rich only end up hurting the middle class and the very poor. this is why Liberalism is a mental disorder !
TEAPARTYSAVAGE 2 weeks ago
The democratic party enslaves people to this day, by offering free food, via food stamps, free housing via welfare, and promising to tax those evil rich republicans, therefore somehow making poor peoples lives better. which is the biggest lie ever. because when you make taxes higher for the rich, that spend money on hotels, restaurants, and travel, all places where poor people work, you end up fucking everybody !
TEAPARTYSAVAGE 2 weeks ago
A lot of brain washed Liberal youth, have no clue that it was Republicans that brought about the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendment in the Constitution. many Republicans died to free the slaves, and give them voter rights, while Democrats fought it all tooth and nail. these are facts that the left would rather you not know. and the ironic part of it all is, Democrats enslave the masses to this day, by demonizing Republicans as Evil, and Racist, when it's the Democrats who are the real racist !
TEAPARTYSAVAGE 2 weeks ago
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LOL I love how the interviewer stops, squints and haws, trying to understand the absolute bullshit this fuck head is spewing. Ugh.
philosophicalLiving 3 weeks ago
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philosophicalLiving 3 weeks ago
After hearing him.....
I'm quite certain the "Uncle Ruckus" character from the "Boondocks" was based on this guy.
slmeucalesa1 4 weeks ago
@slmeucalesa1 haha so true.
skydome29 3 weeks ago
Non one likes talking about this part.. but someones has to do it.
BonusCivis 1 month ago
"The income difference between Western & Eastern Europe is much higher than the income difference between blacks & whites"
This statement literally blew my mind. As a black man myself, I've always speculated that even in indigenous white countries that there were financial struggles among people. Now, if so many members of my community would stop blaming white folks for everything...
ApollosInsight 1 month ago 15
@ApollosInsight
The Bell Curve by Herrnstein and Murray shows that statistically Blacks and Whites with the same IQ, or qualifications earn within 10% of each other.
canisfamilliaris 6 days ago
@canisfamilliaris That may be true, but has that study identified other factors, such as the willingness to work longer hours or the will to acquire more/better skills? Any study can say "such & such is greater by so & so", but often such studies then to omit or ignore contributing factors toward such statements.
ApollosInsight 6 days ago
I see the problem is now that white people tried to stop Jim Crow.... WTF!
sciman707 1 month ago
Wherever you have more government pushing equality. You have more racism. Self reliance, free trade, and some good old hard effort are the only way to drastically reduce discrimination. The most racist countries are the ones that have heavy governmental interference or influence.
tehatemachine 1 month ago
I love how just a single drop of common sense totally mystify's this interviewer to the point where he's just befuttled. Common sense and liberals just don't mix in the least. And like a typical, "sensitive" and "caring" white male liberal...who's amazingly arrogant and self-righteous...facts and common sense just seem to enrage and frustrate him. Liberals can't be challenged in the least. That's why the American concepts of freedom of speech don't sit very well with them at all. lol
MrSchultzstaffel 1 month ago
@MrSchultzstaffel I think Peter Robinson is only pretending to be mystified. He is a research fellow at the Hoover Institute (One of Sowell's safe havens) and his performance is a parody of the caring liberal. It is highly unlikely that Robinson could hold the position he does at Hoover if he didn't already share Sowell's point of view.
daeuri 1 month ago
@daeuri Whoops! I stand corrected. I thought that might be true...but I was so focused on Mr. Sowell's common sense here that I didn't bother to read into the introduction. Thanks man! =D
MrSchultzstaffel 1 month ago
@daeuri Agreed, I've attempted Devil's Advocate for issues I've disagreed with, it isn't easy and trying to sound honest about it, or not appearing like an idiot isn't easy as well.
ShamanMcLamie 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie I would have respected Robinson more if he didn't pretend to be something that he isn't. I would like to see Robinson and Sowell spend more time selling common sense and less time mocking or insulting people from the other end of the spectrum.
daeuri 1 month ago
Wow! mhearstify, please inform me when Mr. Sowell stated there was no mistreatment of slaves. It is a sweet thing indeed when you can just make things up in the process of proving you are an idiot.
MsDink72 1 month ago
Sowell puts the nay-sayers and ahistorical people to rest. Awesome.
quidnick 1 month ago
Peter Robinson acts like he just got out of the second grade. How did he get a job. he must know someone. I wouldn't hire this moron.
comptonproduction 1 month ago
White libs aren't racists so much as white supremacists. They believe in the supremacy of the white race, which is why they think white people have a moral obligation to provide for blacks and Latinos. Conservatives on the other hand, truly believe in the notion that all men were CREATED equal and that everyone has the ability to provide for his own needs...special circumstances (like physical/mental handicap) excluded, of course...
flizzleFlopper 1 month ago
Thomas Sowell is so full of it. Slavery is one thing but down right oppression of a race is another. This is what we have now is total oppression of Black Folks by the whites in America. It is based on the Protestant religion. the brotherhood of friends and their belief that they had the right to forms their own religion and oppress whom ever they wanted to oppress.
comptonproduction 2 months ago
@comptonproduction you're being ridiculous...spouting unfounded ideas that you've heard, but never really tested. Black people aren't oppressed in America. You assert these notions as if they're absolute fact...I don't even know how to refute your assertions because you fail to provide any evidence. It's almost like someone saying, "the sky is falling." All you can really say is NO IT'S NOT!
flizzleFlopper 1 month ago
@flizzleFlopper LOOK UP BROTHERHOOD OF FRIENDS. LYCHING OF THOUSANDS OF BLACKS AFTER THE CIVIL WAR WAS A DREAM. WRONG IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. THE KILLING OF MARTING LUTCHER KING WAS A DREAM THAT WAS IN THE SIXTIES. THE CONTINUED KILLING OF BLACKS BY THE POLICEMEN IS A DREAM. I DON'T THINK SO. YOU ARE LIVING IN A DREAM-WORLD.
comptonproduction 1 month ago
@comptonproduction You sure are your own little brand of crazy.
mstrhck 1 month ago
@mstrhck What the Fuc** are you talking about retard.
comptonproduction 1 month ago
@comptonproduction
Its a shame you see your people as nothing but victims. You need to drop the victim shit and open your mind to conservatives like Sowell, who are showing you the way out of this cultural suicide.
MrSecondThoughts 1 month ago
@MrSecondThoughts I would say it is more like genecide. before blacks got to this country whites have been committing genecide against blacks in America. Uncle Tom Sowell is an Idiot. He is doing Whites a disservice by not being truthful. He is kissing whites ass and feeding white a bunch of Bull Shi**. Suckers!!!!!!!!!!!!.
comptonproduction 1 month ago
@comptonproduction " before blacks got to this country whites have been committing genecide against blacks in America" That makes no sense. You should try and look at things a bit differently. As you separate groups of people into race "whites", "blacks", you are pitting Americans against Americans. All this does is create a situation for hate to fester and perpetuates the problems.
Naptownstreetsquid 1 month ago
@Naptownstreetsquid You did you study under ghondi or jesus crist. I didn't create hate sir: Hate has been around for years. centuries. You want me to kiss white folks ass. be a uncle tom like Uncle Tom Sowell. Kiss my ass!!!!!!!!!
comptonproduction 4 weeks ago
@comptonproduction of course it has. You don't tell an artist they didn't create art because its been around since before they were born do you? Haven't you ever heard you get what you put out? Or what goes around comes around?
Naptownstreetsquid 4 weeks ago
@Naptownstreetsquid What the hell are you talking abou. Is this rhetoric or just plane BS.
comptonproduction 4 weeks ago
@comptonproduction you might have to read my previous comments to put the current comment into perspective. You where suggesting that because you where not the first person to hate that you can't create hate yourself.
Naptownstreetsquid 4 weeks ago
@Naptownstreetsquid What's with this Conservatism BS. Is this a fad or you idiots really believe this shi**.
comptonproduction 4 weeks ago
@Naptownstreetsquid Are you putting words in my mouth or are you trying to say something that makes no sense at all. What kindergarden did you graduate from. I know you didn't finish high school or college.
comptonproduction 4 weeks ago
@comptonproduction you must have graduated from compton kindergarten, that's why you can't spell... stupid
timjim180 2 days ago
The free market is racist. The government loves every body equally. /end college education
amamerc 2 months ago
Put a black face on the same simple explanations for the plight of blacks and America and voila...THOMAS SOWELL! Shilling for the right since 1980. You know, I have people say he hates black people. No, that's not correct. I would venture to say that men like Sowell, much like Clarence Thomas, Ward Connorly, Larry Elder, etc. hate BEING BLACK. Distinct difference. Intelligent...very much so. Myopic as all hell? Absolutely.
cbaldwinjr 2 months ago
@cbaldwinjr Have you actually seen what Sowell has said about the right also? He hates modern conservatives just as much as modern liberals.
ZeppNick03 2 months ago
@cbaldwinjr Are you serious? They could have come to be conservatives unless they hate being black? Do you realize how incredibly stupid and racist what you just said was? I am not white and I am a conservative and the mere suggestion that I hate myself or my family for that matter really bothers me. Shame on you.
EarlRegent 2 months ago
@cbaldwinjr the could not have come I mean. What exactly(in your confused head) makes you think they hate being black. Please elaborate on your suggestion and be detailed,
EarlRegent 2 months ago
Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman always put a smile to my face!! They are always so happy. Obama is the opposite. he is always blaming someone or being condescending.
rcmeyerson 2 months ago
@rcmeyerson ..and look at these Liberals in this comment section accusing him of hating him self or other black people; it's disgusting. You wonder; can a conservative minority ever be respected by the Left?
EarlRegent 2 months ago
@EarlRegent
Good question, and the answer in no. The role of the black man in leftwing politics is to be the permanent victim, down on the government program plantation. Uppity negroes like Sowell and Allen West are a mortal threat to this narrative, hence the all-out attack on them and their counter-culture of self-reliance. It's racism pure and simple.
MrSecondThoughts 2 months ago 13
@MrSecondThoughts Indeed, I am a fan of Alan West as too.
EarlRegent 2 months ago
Could it be that all men are not created equal? Although that may not sound politically correct the reality is we have a class society where the elite class, which is 1% of the population, own 90% of resources. The only way to create equality was to enslave everyone through laws more burdensome than any religion in history.
AikenBruce 2 months ago
*yawn* so glad libertarians don't run this country
racism was implemented into the institution of slavery bc they weren't comfortable with the contradiction relative to the DOI? -_- Racism was a mechanism for division. after bacon's rebellion, the white elite feared more uprisings in the lower class. (b4 the rebellion poor whites and blacks weren't treated much diff). the privilege tht came w/ being white even tho they were poor was to discourage that unity which was a threat to the upper elite.
DivinelyMochaDipped 3 months ago
Yes because the democrats and the republicans have run this country really well the past 12 years. The only reason why racism came to existence wasnt because of the uprisings it was because people started to view slavery as immoral and against christianity and what countered that argument was the businessmen/slave owners started a "black is inferior to us" campaign. It was a form of division yes you are right on that part to divide but you are wrong with how they divided.
scienceatheism 3 months ago
Slavery have always been around. The ancient puranas of India gives evidence of slavery in times beyond the great Egyptian period. However such slavery did not equate to mistreatment.
mhearstify 3 months ago 2
@mhearstify Wow, it is one thing to conclude that evidence suggests slavery existed back in the pre-Egyptian period. Very impressive. But to KNOW there was absolutely NO mistreatment is nothing short of awesome. Gee, I wonder how the powerful elites got their slaves to do stuff they didn't want to do. Maybe, the foremen passed out candy and used "pretty please" when they asked something unpleasant. Only Americans are evil enough to think of whips.
fzqlcs 3 months ago 17
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mhearstify 3 months ago
@fzqlcs Astonishingly ignorant post. Whips have been around for millenia, you half wit. I guess American whips were more "evil" than Mayans, for instance, sacrificing women and children to the Gods? Ripping hearts out of living people who lost soccer matches? Ghengis Khan slaughtering millions of Europeans? Arabs enslaving Africans and Europeans? Injustice Collectors like you are always so ignorant of human history. Just shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.
Noodleydoo 2 months ago
@Noodleydoo ever heard of sarcasm.
fzqlcs 2 months ago
@fzqlcs Oopsie. Sorry. My sarcasm detector was disabled. My apologies.
Noodleydoo 2 months ago
@fzqlcs
well one thing you can do is house, feed and educate them for their work. It's called Communism. Sounds bad but hell, it's better than what a lot of people are getting in America's so-called 'democracy'
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@InnuendoXP Who proviedes the resources to house feed and educate everyone and how does useless work contribute to the overall society? And Democracy isn't a economic system it is a political system. What your thinking about is Capitalism and it kicks the ass off of Communism and mounts it above it's fireplace every single microsecond of the history of mankind.
ShamanMcLamie 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
yeah but my point was that democracy is not what you have. It's never democracy unless the people are politically active. It's not exactly a system, it's a practice, which is different.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
And capitalism isn't at all what I was describing, Capitalism in it's purest sense is the free exchange of goods and services allowing people to profit from what they do. It's an economic system, not a political one. If it becomes a political one then the whole country becomes a marketplace which is dangerous because it dehumanizes people. It counts the value of a person as their value as a customer. And people without money cannot be customers.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@InnuendoXP We misinterpret each other. I know Capitalism is an economic system and all it can be is an economic system never a political. Now Communism is only a economic system, but are often run by Autocracies, that have so much power that it is doomed to be victim of mass corruption sooner or later. And because it isn't a democracy it lacks any accountability at all. No Democracies fail because the people fail to hold their elected officials accountable.
ShamanMcLamie 1 month ago
@InnuendoXP Second capitalism doesn't change the fact people are compassionate to their fellow man and that people have morals and values. These are what help prevent dehumanization. Second businesses strive to give people what they want. They can't force people to buy their goods so they have to give them what they want. And as to the poor, the poor can look for jobs, they can improve themselves. And people are generous their are plenty willing to give charity.
ShamanMcLamie 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
I'll agree that democracy fails when people stop being politically active. Nor was I attacking capitalism. However it begins to be a grey area when psychologists are employed by marketing companies to find ways to create desire in people for things they never would have otherwise purchased. When companies become large enough that it cannot be charitable because no individual runs it, you know how corporate entities often behave.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@InnuendoXP But individuals within the corporation, or investors of the corporation get a share of the profits and they can choose to give to charity. And yes people can be convinced to buy things they didn't want before, but instead of thinking it as brainwashing, it is more of informing people of a product and then them deciding if they want it. Without advertising many products we enjoy using would never have continued and what people spend their money on is ultimately up to them.
ShamanMcLamie 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
It's a blurry area between where demand exists and where demand is created. Yes, where demand is created it allows new kinds of products to succeed economically and this is indispensable in making technological progress in the lives of the everyday citizen which benefits many lives. However the detritus of this is disastrous ecological effects of the culture of consumption on the wider world, built in obsolescence in reiterated products and a materialistic culture
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@InnuendoXP The first part of the last sentence is not a problem in any way. Built in obsolescence is creative destruction. It replaces an older product with a new and improved one and people are free to choose if the new and improved is worth spedning their money on. There is nothing wrong with a materialistic culture, so long as people understand they have to pay for that stuff they'll work harder producing more to get it.
ShamanMcLamie 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
The problem, is where people have a disconnect of value between work and production. For the cost we might pay for an iphone for instance, we are not the only ones paying for it, you might go into environmental costs, or perpetuating cheap labour. The built-in obsolescence, the artificial limiting of progress just so a product can be continually reiterated and resold, incredibly wasteful of resources.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie The materials which make these products are limited, this is not acknowledged in modern economics as it dictates that wherever there is a demand, a supply will be found. This disconnect from reality is a dangerous one if it continues for too long. The problem with built-in obsolescence is that it wastes huge amounts of resources requiring everyone to pay more for what are ultimately tiny and trivial gains. Mobile phones are a prominent example of this.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@InnuendoXP Once again people are free to choose how to spend their money, if they find the additions valuable enough. As to your resources argument the Earth is big and full of un tapped resources, for years people predicted Peak Oil and new oil reserves were found. There was a fear of copper shortages for phones and then fiber obtics which are made of sand replaced copper. Also we can recycle resources. Plants and animals can reproduce. And technology constantly expands our resource horizon.
ShamanMcLamie 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
I think you should watch this
youtube.com/watch?v=umFnrvcS6AQ
If we keep consuming and our population continues expanding, we're living on borrowed time.
Your right about the solutions offered in the sense that they would address current issues, but far less is being recycled than you seem to think as currently it's less financially viable to recycle products than simply mine new resources.
our rate of growth cannot go on forever.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
Peak oil is going to happen, the main concern is that the market will depend on adverse disastrous reactions happening in the FIRST world BEFORE they even begin to seriously develop alternatives and what will the long-term ecological effects be in the meantime?
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie The progress of technological advancement is in-fact being inhibited by economic factors which will milk an old technology for all it's worth before allowing an alternative to become widespread.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
People aren't buying alternatives because they're not on the market and are not profitable for those who dominate the private industry. The monopolies and financial wealth & influence beyond wealth held by these entities is sufficient to deter alternatives being developed by alternative third parties.
We throw so much away, our current system of growth and disposal have only been going on for around a century and the future consequences will be dire.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@InnuendoXP Not true. If you notice alot of those aluminum coke cans you throw away are heavily valued, That's why most are recycled, Same with paper, It can bbe reused thousands of times over. Some items end up in landfill but a better alternative to waste disposal is to burn landfill items at such a high temperature. to where it breaks them down into very simple non toxic elements.
tehatemachine 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
thirdly, when companies become multinational, production is taken outside the country for cheap labour and the jobs go overseas with it, THEN the poor suffer. It's one thing to say 'get a job', but when the production of the products the society buys is almost entirely international, when bottom-level production jobs are less avaliable or less dependable, the class of people who depend on that work suffer. That's the danger of single companies becoming too large
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
as to who provides the resources to house, feed and educate everybody, the same people who provided them before. The only real difference is how the system's managed. Do you allow people to be completely free agents and customers where private interests administer these services? Or do you have a system set up accountable to the peoples will, not profit which provides these services.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@InnuendoXP The problem with this is in a society where no one can get ahead of his fellow man, there is no need to advance. If I'm guaranteed all these things, why go to work, why work hard, why come up with new inventions. I'll always be in the same state no matter what I do. There is no dream of a success, or a nightmare of failure. Basically it destroys all responsibility. The only other option is coercion and that brings Communism to the level of Feudalism.
ShamanMcLamie 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
Self-advancement is the true incentive, on this you are correct. Money is our current incentive because it is what facilitates our self-advancement and gives us freedom to choose the manner in which to do this.
I'll concede to your point on personal responsibility and extend it to the flaws in lack of empathy on the part of structures and systems that are allowed to grow too large where individuals do not matter. Corporate conglomerates, large governments.etc
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
on your point about communism, since real communism depends on an absence of corruption of authority, in all fairness REAL communism has never been attempted. So you can't exactly say it's being hung over the fireplace by anything except by the current flaws of humanity.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@InnuendoXP The thing about REAL communism is it requires that people are perfect and everyone throughout it are perfect. Real communism has been attempted, just not achieved because it is impossible.
ShamanMcLamie 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
It'll be impossible until we have improved ourselves as a species above the level of the animal. In terms of self-assertion, egotism and aggression, where if put to the test, emotion will win out against reason, we remain animals as a species.
Real communism could work, but it requires us to iron out the flaws in human nature. If a system must be designed to make contingencies for major flaws, we have a lot of work to do.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@InnuendoXP Here is the problem, with your improvement. We as a species have hardly changed in over the last 10,000 years. The only thing that has is we've have learned more collectively. But our core animal instincts that make capitalism work and communism fail has reamined. The reason we don't evolve much anymore is because their are no natural pressures (Natural selection) influencing our development.
Some attempted to shape our evolution through "Eugenics" and failed.
ShamanMcLamie 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
The pressures we do have are almost entirely self-imposed and artificial in todays world, we create our own dangers and triumphs. If we continue this way ultimately our only long-term solution for self-evolution will be a technological one to enhance our minds and bodies whether by data-matrix mechanical means or genetic means such as gene therapy.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie Eugenics was attempting to control genetics through imposed process of elimination, it failed because it became morally reprehensible in how it violated individual rights.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
Real libertarian society cannot work for exactly the same reasons.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@InnuendoXP Why couldn't a Libertarian society not work. If you had a small limited government that only protected our rights, the Capitalist system would go on producing goods and products for a profit, the consumer gets the product and the producer gets the money that he can use to pay his employees run his infrastructure, improve his product and grow his business.
ShamanMcLamie 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
Ultra-libertarianism relies on each individual recognizing virtue and valuing the rights of others. It is incredibly attractive as an ultimatum in how to limit the influence of the tyranny of the majority and realise personal freedom. The problems with it are those of accountability to greater society. While you are not violating their rights, you are also not required to take civil responsibility beyond non-infringement.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@ShamanMcLamie
You could say that economic factors limit or enhance personal liberty, so what then?
One could be a free market libertarian, or a socialist libertarian.
These are two extremes, cases in point are political figures Ron Paul and Tony Benn. Each believe in individual liberty, each also believes very differently to polar extremes how liberty can be facilitated.
InnuendoXP 1 month ago
@fzqlcs go look at what the Ottomans did to their black slaves my friend.
skydome29 1 month ago
@skydome29 17 million dead black Africans, 4 out of 5 died in a brutal castration operation carried out by Arabs...
/watch?v=4rjDTyeqXt8
Funny how they don't teach that in government schools.
thespacialone 3 weeks ago
@thespacialone They don't because no group is lobbying it at textbook commitees or textbook publishers, I don't know where your from but in retrospect on schooling in my country they have constantly slanted things like this into buzz words. Multiculturalism, equality, green jobs (can't think of any more but i know theres so many, help me out).
skydome29 3 weeks ago
@skydome29 Well, Diversity is another one they like to pollute the ether with.
I imagine no text book gets written any more, let alone instituted, without the underlying assumption of "white racism" being the root of all the world's problems featuring as a strained sub-text, if not increasingly its the driving narrative.
I just want to know what the poor suckers who've been sold on the Fabian fairy tales are going to do to their overlords when they finally get it. I can't see it being pretty.
thespacialone 3 weeks ago
@thespacialone That's the one couldn't think of! It's incredibly ironic when they put out the message that "whites have always been rascist and the biggest damn problem since bacteria" and then you look at their "problem solvers" and they are the most degnerative, socially corrosive, and pretentious legislation on the books.
skydome29 3 weeks ago
@skydome29 Less than 400 white farmers left in Rhoedesia (down from 4,500 in 2000), and they're STILL "the problem". British primary school children a minority in UK schools in a decade and the greatest obstacle to "social justice" in my nation is still "institutionalised racism".
And yet most whites still haven't woken up to the fact that whatever they do/say/think, we'll always be the bad guys. Well, at least I won't be watching X Factor when the seemingly inevitable happens.
thespacialone 3 weeks ago
What does he mean when he says that archeological records show slavery existed before reading and writing? How can skeletal remains and archeological tools show slavery existed? I have some knowledge of anthropology and that confuses me.
darwinkilledgod 3 months ago
@darwinkilledgod I would say he can make that claim because slavery was normal in egypt and mesopotamia, which would most likely mean there was a precedent to slavery before these early civilizations. Idk about the archaeological evidence, but if there was remains of people of a lower economic or slave culture in a center of production, it would be fine to make such an argument. if there was a certain, low earning culture working in the limestone mines of egypt, it would be shown by their tools
dthorste72 3 months ago
I believe it was an exaggeration to be honest with you.
scienceatheism 3 months ago
i know.. thats not the problem..
ianjames67 3 months ago
shitt drummer in intro
ianjames67 4 months ago
@ianjames67 its in 5
clemmertime23 3 months ago
Sowell is for the desperate: his arguments are pseudo-intellectual in nature and can only stand if not challenged. For example, he whines about Chomsky and others (not Friedman, of course) wandering outside of their "areas of expertise" (as if you can only have one and they don't overlap, etc), when he himself CONSTANTLY wanders into psychology and philosophy. Sorry Mr Sowell, you have to stick to economics. It's sad when people deceive themselves...
tstruss912 4 months ago
@tstruss912 What exactly is your argument against his arguments? It's weak and ignorant to discount someone's arguments just because you don't perceive them as a so-called expert. Anyone who's studied economics knows that it's more about philosophy than mathematics, so by making philosophical arguments, he's staying inside his "area of expertise" as you like to say.
mfrazie 4 months ago
@mfrazie I agree. You'll have to tell that to Sowell because according to him Chomsky and Krugman (dissidents of the leftist variety) are not allowed to talk about philosophy, psychology, etc because they're "not qualified". Also, he seems to discount any qualifications outside of the power system: only degrees and accolades given from those-on-high count for anything. Of course, he himself is exempt from his own rule, as is to be expected from a conservative.
tstruss912 3 months ago
@tstruss912
He didn't say they weren't allowed to talk. He is actually criticizing the culture more than the individuals. The problem is not that they say what they say, the problem is that they are taken seriously for an illegitimate reason
As for Sowell himself, the only case in which I would agree that he is completely stepping out of his field is in his discussion of Global Warming, but then what percentage of his public career and reputation is based upon his global warming commentary?
Aphoresis 3 months ago
@Aphoresis Exactly. The fact that he sits there and says "experts should be listened to" and then says "don't listen to 98% of climatologists" is pretty silly. That tells me that he's not objective and that even he doesn't take his "listen only to experts" nonsense seriously.
tstruss912 3 months ago
@tstruss912
He said that experts "should be listened to"?
Aphoresis 3 months ago
@tstruss912
Let me clarify the distinction implied in my last comment. I don't think that Sowell would say unqualifyingly that "experts should be listened to". What I think he would say is that "experts have the ability to speak on their own field authoritatively". He would certainly take the position that there are a great many economists that shouldn't be listened to.
Aphoresis 3 months ago
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@Aphoresis I think Sowell's commentary on global warming is spot on actually. The video he talks about it in is even in the suggestion bar to the right lol.
M3PanoS 3 months ago
@tstruss912 Or maybe Chomsky is a hack who hides behind arcane verbose nonsense, which automatically disqualifies him.
What the hell is the "power system" anyway? Let me guess, it's not the huge government created by Liberalism. It's some sort of ephemeral conspiracy that includes all of the most powerful people in the world who secretly control things. And they are evil Republicans. And they use FOX News to brainwash everyone. Sigh.
1% of the lunatics have 99% of the insanity. Occupy Youtube
worldofdraculas 3 months ago
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@worldofdraculas Fox is propaganda, and you know it. They tell you what you want to hear. Chomsky tells the truth, which you don't want to hear. It's that simple.
tstruss912 3 months ago
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@worldofdraculas - Yes, it was liberalism that increased the budget over the past 30 years and deficit spending....I guess you were asleep during the Reagan and Bush Administrations?
A86 3 months ago
it is fun to assume. i'm not a republican. way to project loser. lol
lankness1 4 months ago
If you read his book. He has proven empirically everything he asserts. But then again, liberals don't read, they watch the daily show.
lankness1 4 months ago
@lankness1 Ugh, Im sick of people like you... Does everything have to to about Left and Right?
Both the Left and the Right are tools and morons.... Except Ron Paul
AnnoyingXboxer 4 months ago
@AnnoyingXboxer Convenient, where you end up "smarter" than a majority of the country in your estimation. There are idiots interspersed everywhere. The ones who stand in the middle are extra stupid and crave attention and acceptance.
lankness1 4 months ago
@lankness1 The middle? Who the hell said i am in the middle?
Just because your not on either side does not put you in the 'Middle', I vote for whats best for america, Not by which side can sling more mud.
I and not Left, nor Right nor middle.... I am on my own.
Maybe someday when you mature and grow out of this Political party phase you will be able to comprehend what i am saying.
AnnoyingXboxer 4 months ago
@AnnoyingXboxer it is fun to assume. i'm not a republican. way to project loser. lol. maturity? based on what. where and when. you are a sheep baahing in the wind. get a life. read a book maybe. haha.
lankness1 4 months ago
@AnnoyingXboxer
Independent voters are a fallacy. We all lean one way or the other.
canefan17 4 months ago
@canefan17 Ugh, Clearly you lack the reading comprehension to be able to understand me.
There is no 'One way or the other' You are just brought up to think that those are the only options, When it is not. You clearly are incapable to think/understand things from an individual point of view.
AnnoyingXboxer 4 months ago
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@lankness1 You know what shocked the hell out of me? The horribly racist attacks I have seen on youtube directed at Thomas Sowell and Condaleezza Rice. by liberals. I mean; wow! (I am a mixed race/black conservative by the way)
EarlRegent 4 months ago
Same question as Anthony - the title of the intro music? Thanks
Twingalan 4 months ago
whats the name of the ditty playing in the opening
anthonygador 4 months ago
THE BLACK RUSH LIMBAUGH,
comptonproduction 4 months ago
@comptonproduction Yea, like there is any comparison between Rush and Sowell....Rush is a puppet
AroundSun 4 months ago
@AroundSun HE GET PAID BY THE SAME CONSERVATIVE PEOPLE. WHO RUN THIS COUNTRY.
comptonproduction 4 months ago
@comptonproduction Oh, you mean the black democrat? fucking moron
AroundSun 4 months ago
@AroundSun you must be god. why you call me a moron. only he call me that.
comptonproduction 4 months ago
@comptonproduction Because of your notion that only conservatives are corrupt lol
AroundSun 4 months ago
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@AroundSun thanks.right back at you lol.
comptonproduction 4 months ago
I agree with Sowell on many of things but I disagree with him on the historical causes of the OW birth rate among Blacks. You cannot compare Black OW birth rates from 50 years ago to rates from the present, there are major modern variables, including cultural changes that have kicked up the rate within the country generally without regard to race.
What matters is that the OW Birthrate of Blacks 50 years ago was almost 5 times higher than Whites at that time.
periechontology 8 months ago
@periechontology Sowell would agree that cultural changes had a great deal to do with the increase of these births, but he would also point out that with the explosion of government programs for the poor there was no longer the same downward pressure on blacks to refrain from creating these births in order to avoid destitution.
mikebgood 4 months ago
@mikebgood
I was talking about his argument that the effects of historical racism has nothing to do with the rate, and his use of statistics to demonstrate that..
periechontology 4 months ago
@AUSM92 It is in each nationstates interest to assure their workers a fair shake in the worlds economy. Offering a nations poor to multinaional corporations as cheap labor is not in the interest of the nationstate. That behavior is nothing more than exploitation, by the well connected and wealthy investors of that country. Chinese workers will never expierience wage inflation, but the well connected investment class,( which by the way has always existed in China) are getting richer by the day.
louiethegreater 8 months ago
@louiethegreater Letting workers get ANY job that they can get is in the interest of the individual and also of the nationstate.
That is not exploitation. Exploitation is when a goverment manipulates the market to generate wealth for some, while making others having to compete with unfairly fonded competitors.
ToxinalX 5 months ago
@ToxinalX Did you know that 80% of the newly generated income in the U.S. goes to 1% of the population. That is government minipulaton of the market, by refusing to place tariffs in third world imports. Domestic industries must outsorce in order to compete with multinationals. That one percent is creating jobs in Asia, and that new income is being produced off the backs of third world labor.
louiethegreater 5 months ago
@louiethegreater And how why do you think it has come to that in the first place ?
Goverment manipulation of the global and domestic market have created gaps and hot air bubbles ever since it was first done.
Then we try to regulate it with a new law, but then that leads up to something new, so we try another law and so on.
The minimum wage for example not only increases discrimination, lowers the level of education and makes families much more dependant on a single provider....
ToxinalX 5 months ago
@louiethegreater .... But then that provider is also much more likely to be a man, since he will most certainly not get pregnant and can also (at least in the majority of cases) take harder and more physical jobs than a woman.
All this leads up to increased inequality and then again, if the couple breaks up, more poverty and inequality.
What to do ? Well one suggestion is we try so called "Affirmative action".
That may fix the problem, but causes racism, corruption and ineffective education.
ToxinalX 5 months ago
@ToxinalX
First, nothing wrong with having families dependant on a single provider. They're usually the happiest and healthiest families with the smallest rate of divorces. A woman's natural biological function is to raise and nurture young children (even though roles could be reversed). It's much better than having both parents working and a child being raised alone, just so the state can tax a few more people.
seppsters 4 months ago
@ToxinalX
But better than allowing 'wild' capitalism or increasing regulation (that would result in descrimination, corruption or waste), how about just supporting these parents who choose to stay and raise their children. This would interefere much less with the markets, reduce descrimination, while increasing the quality of life for children, which to some extent is the state's responsibility
People are not robots, they're biological beings. It's about time economists recognize that.
seppsters 4 months ago
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@seppsters "how about just supporting these parents who choose to stay and raise their children."
That would end up hurting those who do not have the time and or money to do so. And it wouldn't reduce racism.
ToxinalX 4 months ago
@AUSM92 You are refuring to those specialties as being cheap labor: of course. How can you consider that leverage for the workers. The transition form subsistance farming to subsistance factory worker is of no advantage to the peasant who was forced into a cash economy, by their own governments. Producing products for export to the west, is of no advantage to the workers, they cannot afford to buy the products themselves. Could a .57/hr worker afford to buy a $1200. big screen TV.
louiethegreater 8 months ago
@AUSM92 If you are attempting to understand comparitvie advantage, in a more meaningful application. Read ( Free Trade Doesn't Work) by Ian Fletcher.
louiethegreater 8 months ago
@AUSM92 What I am saying is completely sensical, and it is the real world. If you do not understand what profits are than you need to visit the rudimets of business again.
louiethegreater 8 months ago
@AUSM92 The best I can explain profits that you could understand is that 400% profits is 4x 100% profits. Does that make it clear?
Dollar stretching, do you mean like, having folks work for for you and live in shacks made out of shipping crates, while you live in a mansion.
Don't see your reasoning on continus education, we are training engineers to be WalMart greeters no. There are no jobs. Listen real close; There are 20 million ++++ unemployed americans.
louiethegreater 8 months ago
I love the opening to the clip. Classic Sowell, lol.
mbneville 8 months ago
I like that interviewer he's smart and even handed.
Hashishin13 8 months ago
Thomas Sowell should debate Obama.
jdbrando 8 months ago
@jdbrando
obama couldn't even last a minute and he knows it. Apart from his one liners which are devoid of any economic facts, he has nothing to offer
swu880 8 months ago
@AUSM92 GM was not bankrupted by union Employees. They were bankrupted by unfair foreign competition. Such as Japanese imports. In the 1960 the Japanese placed 50 tariffs on U.S. made autos, but they sold their cars in the U.S. without tariffs. Same with motorcycles. Japan built their auto industry on the backs of unemployed americans.
louiethegreater 8 months ago
@AUSM92 Well, after all Germany did invade Russia, shouldn't they have been more agressive. What do you mean a "bunch of strangers" would that be the citizens of ones own country or the citizens of countries a hemisphere away.
louiethegreater 8 months ago
@AUSM92 So oursourcing one living wage countries jobs to some thirdworld subsistance wage country, is OK with you. That must mean you support the businesses that earns the 400% profits with total disreguard for the importing country that lost the jobs, otherwords the 20 million unemployed americans, in your mind is just lazy, do nothings that won't work, don't work, and is looking to get on the government dole.
louiethegreater 8 months ago
@AUSM92 Are you a traitor. Shouldn't an american put the interest of his/ hers/ its own country and countrymen first. Do you really believe if you ask the men who fought and died in WW11 if they were were fighting so that Vietnamese workers could have jobs, while their own countrymen were unemployed, and Nike could make 1000% profits. I DONT THINK SO. Those men would call your mentality traitorous, and it must grieve them to hear you globalist traitors calling a protectioist a traitor.
louiethegreater 8 months ago