Scientology vs BBC

[ORUPRANKSTAZ]

What game is this?

[ravauder]

The interviewee that they were fighting about, who was a vocal critic of scientology, was endlessly harassed by the sect. He killed himself in February 2008.

RIP Shawn Lonsdale. You were brave.

[gratex]

brave suicide...

[GodKillerAtheist]

your link doesn't work right and its not available outside the UK anyhow =D

[GodKillerAtheist]

its on google video though

[irishrocker]

VIVA JOHN SWEENEY

[Graylord88]

The reason he got mad is because he had been harassed, stalked, and randomly screamed at for no reason at all many times a day over many days, often by this guy(Tommy Davis), just popping out of the blue, obviously following him everywhere, and came with random empty accusations.

They never even gave him a chance to answer back.

Long after most people would, he snapped, but excused himself with manners then and there.

[iphoneziphone]

Gratex this is the 2nd time I've stumbled upon you by accident (the 1st time on racism)I'm impressed. I agree KR1963 is such an obvious cut and paste moron, it's a wonder They're so rich with intellectual giants like him at the helm. I find it hard to understand why anyone would join a cult that is so obviously wrong. Hubbard was a bigoted Drug Fuelled abuser, who unfortunately died an old man. The cult claimed that he didn't die, instead he went to another galaxy to teach other aliens his crap.

[JustMeBored]

It was funny to watch how scared the cult of $OS is of the BBC. At least the BBC is capable of a conversation. The male specimen of $OS has no clue what a conversation is and therefor really showed the true face of this cult. $OS do not allow a free opinion regarding their cult. You MUST follow their agenda or face the consequences.

[indodan]

i feel so sorry for scientologists HAHAHAHAHA... oh man... yeah the guy who was harassing the reporter, disgusting person!!

read books and believe in urselfs, not in churches etc. Fucking hell, but its too late to safe u guys. Poor you... tsts... compare your lifes to normal ppls lifes, whats the difference? There is absolutely no difference, except for the fact that you explain ur religion by going WOOOSHH and BAAAMMMM. FUCK SCIENTOLOGY AND FUCK TOM CRUISE FUCK ALL OF YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

[anthonyfoxtrott]

scientologists like to what what in the butt.

[AspergiaKidd]

Woot, another batshit insane Scot that isn't in a "pride" movement. Never thought I'd find another. Good video.

[y2jeff84]

L. Ron hubbard spent 4 years in prison for fraud. he died as a fugitive on the run from the law. scientology has an appalling history of unethical and illegal behaviour.

And your messiah who invented ur religion was a b-grade science fiction author who lied about having a phd and his military service.

congratulations, u dedicate ur life to a lie, thought up by a very poor science fiction author-turned fraud. scientology fails, and every other brainwashed pawn fails alongside

[KR1963]

And in March 2003, the National Ministry of the Interior for Taiwan also recognized the Church of Scientology of Taiwan as a charitable religious institution and officially added it to the rolls of the recognized religions of the country

[gratex]

Xenu....

[KR1963]

And?

Zzzz....

[gratex]

no matter how much babble you cut and paste, your cult is still a money-making fool's gold of dreams for insecure little twerps like yourself.

You don't even write these comments lol, it's so transparent... you cut and paste then sometimes add your own bile on the bottom of the comment if you are especially angry... with appalling grammar and spelling completely different from the rest of the comment. Laughable. Face it: the only person being fooled here is you.

[KR1963]

U have made the same BORING accusation yourself because u cant fight the truth so u have to resort to snide personal comments which shows how feeble your knowledge of SCN really is.

U dont bother investigating anything, u just further the line of a bunch of criminals who try to rob people of their religious freedoms & rights.

Thats the group u belong to and r obviously proud to be so.

[gratex]

U U U U U . wow you wrote your own comment for once... maybe if you save up another $500 you can buy another SCN book to plagiarise. PS. you started the insult game my little friend, so you instantly lose.

[KR1963]

Well those who ACCUSE others of crimes like u like to do are always the ones guilty of those same acts, not I.

So I now know that u cut & paste, since u think that there is something wrong with it and have to try to attack me of something of which there is no crime. And yes I write my own paste. I do add somethings I have in my database from time to time since u religious haters tend to repeat yourselves I end up having to drag out the same old boring arguements that u having throwing 4 years.

[y2jeff84]

wow, a scientologist tries to attack the credebility of anyone who disagress with them. havent seen that one before!

haha i love it how scientologists have no valid arguments so they just attack an indivdual instead of try and continue debating.

you fail KR1963, ur religion is fake and ur life is a lie. i guess ignorance is bliss though, so enjoy it while u can

[KR1963]

Dude u r just a hater. Face it. Own up to it. Anything that doesnt fitinto yer own little narrow band of definition u have to attack, u have to believe all the bad stuff cuz all scnists r all bad.

It will be probably too late 4 u when u discover the truth. I really feel sorry 4 u.

[gratex]

I'm a hater? lol. Re-read your comments to me.  I'd like to help you get out of this rut you've got yourself in, if you hadn't been so insulting and condescending!

time for block, really, I've given you enough space to spew your propaganda. No such thing as bad publicity, eh? I'm sure L Ron figured that one out too.... fuck, it's how his xenu cult took off in the first place... publicity.

[ggcpres]

when a wise man and a fool argue it is hard to tell who is who. don't fall for this guys tactics. KR163 will keep on saying crap, not even trying to make since.

this is Co$ 101:never defend, attack. they know that logic will destroy them in a fair fight. there attempt to counter that is to constantly force you to defend yourself. the counter to this is to ignore the flys like that guy. /ignore is your friend.

[gratex]

it's ok, i blocked the fucker.

[KR1963]

In 2002, the Austrian tax office also came to the conclusion that the work of the Church of Scientology in Vienna is for the public benefit and not for anyone's personal profit. It thus granted that church tax-exempt status as a charitable religious organization. In December 2002, the government of New Zealand issued an official decree fully recognizing the Church of Scientology of New Zealand as an exempt religious and charitable organization.

[ghost40002000]

I support anon and all there activities.

Co$ is nothing more then a self help cult that crossed the line more then most religions.

There is no win with Scientology, only brainwashed epic fail.

[KR1963]

A $5,000 reward for information leading to the identification and criminal or civil prosecution of persons making threats against the church of SCN and/or persons associated with it.

The threats have come from a person or persons using the monikers of ElBaldo, Eggshell White, Advocate of Painful Death or similar names.

Please send information to: reward5000@earthlink(dot)net

Again Gratex U think that we r the enemy but actually we r the greatest friends this planet has @ this time U included.

[gratex]

I will end the SCN.

Give me $5,000.

[KR1963]

obviously u cant read English.

[gratex]

obviously YOU can't read it.

L Ron Hubbard: "The quickest way to get rich is by creating your own religion".

[KR1963]

He never said that. It is a quote often used but falsely attributed to him by Aleister Crowley a practicing satanist.

[gratex]

that quote was taken from an interview with hubbard 30 years after crowley died.

try again.

[KR1963]

check your source.

LRH NEVER said that.

The people who brain wash u Gratex want u to believe all sorts of lies.

U buy them hook line & sinker like the good lil sheep u r. They drive society right over the cliff n u jump in the car with them eager to succumb, eager to attack SCN when we have everything here to help anyone.

They & u attack us 4 that reason. U r knowingly blind & proud of it.

[gratex]

let's talk about xenu...

lol

[KR1963]

In May 2001, the Customs and Excise granted churches of Scientology exemption from value added tax on the basis that they are religious organizations. That same year, England's Internal Revenue decreed that employees of the church who are part of its religious order are not subject to the ordinary wage laws but must be treated in alignment with the rules for religious institutions. A near-identical determination was made by Germany's Federal Labour Court in October 2002

[gratex]

why are you on this video today? shouldn't you be concerned about texas denying SCN is a religion?

[KR1963]

Shows u how foolish u r.

Its a ANON member who merely proposed it as a plank of the republican party in Texas.

Seeing that many SCNists r huge Ron Paul supporters AND that RP is GOP fr Texas, it will not go thru.

In November 1999, the government of Sweden declared the Church of Scientology to be a charitable, non-profit organization with a religious purpose. The following year, the Swedish government officially recognized the church by granting its ministers the right to perform marriages.

[gratex]

Swedes are not stupid enough to fall for SCN though, so the gov allows it.

How's SCN doing in Germany? :P

[KR1963]

No Swedes are smart enough to apply it. Thats why the Swedish government gives grants to Narconon.

In 2003, a German court granted a tax exemption for 10% license fees that are sent to the United States. Germany is at the forefront of countries that remain somewhat hostile to Scientology. Then in Jan2003, the German Federal Finance Office granted the Church of Scientology International, full tax exemption on monies given in support of the mother church by nine churches of Scientology in Germany

[gratex]

rofl.

Anonymous is just a bunch of kids taking the piss out of you. Don't bullshit. EVERYONE KNOWS YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT, YOU ARE NOT FOOLING ANYONE. Although I worry that you fool yourself lol.

[KR1963]

Eli Lilly & Alaska have agreed to settle the state's lawsuit against the drug maker over the use of Zyprexa. Lilly will pay the state $15 million & agreed to ensure that Alaska is treated as favorably as any other state that may settle with Lilly in the future over similar claims.

Alaska was the first state that took the company to trial over Zyprexa. At least nine other states have sued Eli Lilly 4 illegally marketing

tmap.wordpress(dot)com/2008/03­/26/lilly-and-state-settle-zyp­rexa-lawsuit/

[gratex]

thank you for a completely random comment.

[KR1963]

Well this is a completely random video isnt it?

I mean that visual as nothing to do with what yer talking about mate. Sort of non-sequitor dontcha think?

[Endaso]

I hope you're not serious?

You're not a member of a 'church'. You're a member of a cult.

And that cult deserves everything it gets.

[y2jeff84]

that video is sensationalist rubbish.

L. Ron hubbard spent 4 years in prison for fraud. he died as a fugitive on the run from the law. scientology has an appalling history of unethical and illegal behaviour.

And your messiah who invented ur religion was a b-grade science fiction author who lied about having a phd and his military service.

u dedicate ur life to a lie, lol you fail.

[KR1963]

I win each and every day & thats what drives guys like u nuts.

ANON & all of its supporters will PHAIL unconditionally. People have already been put in prison & more will follow. NO FAIL.

[y2jeff84]

hahaha you've really fallen hook, line and sinker for the propaganda havent you? L ron Hubbard was a failure of a science fiction author, lied about having a PHD, and had an abysmal military service record - he was a coward who made up bogus medical conditions to get out of fighting.

no one has been put in prison, we participate in peacful protests. lol you really have no idea. have fun being a brainwashed pawn :D

[KR1963]

See Atlanta.

ANON arrested & jailed.

SCN proves that we are spiritual beings with immortal souls.

It proves that we can come back next lifetime & remember who we were before and set on on the same goals & purposes as in the previous lifetime.

It proves that man can operate outside of his body & that he is NOT dependent upon time & space.

THis is why we will not lose & ur evil will die out w/in this lifetime. We fight they battle for even your eternity.

We will not fail.

ANON iz EPIK PHAIL.

[01eximius]

Ohh fuck off. Anonymous might have hacked a website or two but scientology has killed dozens of people. It's a cult for demented retards.

[KR1963]

pharmalot(dot)com/2008/03/lawm­aker-asks-nj-ag-to-probe-antip­sychotics/

NJ's Medicaid program spent more than $73 million on meds 4 children less than 18 years old between 2000 & 2007, according 2 records, even though the drugs weren't approved by the FDA for treating kids. State official acknowledges the drugs may have been prescribed 4 conditions other than the approved uses.

U could b attacking the real criminals on this planet but instead u attack the most helpful people on the planet.

[KR1963]

I do not wish to spread ill will amongst my friends or You Tube acquaintances but there is a war going on started on You Tube & spreding across the net.

The Criminal Hacker Group Anonymous has attacked not only my church but also countless individuals who have stood against them.

[EFG9000]

Everyone should boycott Scientology. These 'actors' can't act for shit, they're hollywood blockbuster fodder, as soon as they turn into box office poison they're out of a job. As soon as every scientologist actor is out of a job, the cult will be dealt a major, major blow.

[Trinity4KRR]

I apologize. I shouldn't have called you asshole. That is the stress of work coming out of me. Honestly. Those damn Wachovia slave drivers!!

[DarknessAlone07]

wow, i've been looking very deeply into this 'cult', and from studying philosophy and ethics, i can surely say, this is the most rediculous 'cult' to ever follow, i'm sure there is more, but this is almost like blackmail, its taking away human rights for one, if you reveal anything or leave the 'cult' they exploit your life, wow, only derranged individuals join this 'cult', best way to put it.

[246trinitrotoluene]

good points, i have nothing to criticize

you seem like a chill guy, cheers

[McDux0r]

Both valid and interesting points, I enjoyed hearing what you had to say.

[aquabone81]

Your link works in the U.S. Thanks-

[skeeter33301]

This crazy cult is funny and entertaining. Hail Xenu!!!

[Trinity4KRR]

Rickmojo....You honestly Believe that every individual within the SCN religion is a Weak Minded Being? Please! That is just ridiculous. The millions of business people, actors, musicians, humanitarians that have learned something enriching to their very core and are trying to make the world a better place without hate and constant chaos building opinions designed to tear down that which would give freedom and clarity. FREE WILL! It's a Wonderful Gift! Happy New Year.

[gratex]

If only that free will existed. Even within the tenets of that religion, does it even exist? Can one have free will if one's soul is haunted by a dead being?

[rickmojo]

The millions???? Please dont give yourselves that much credit. Propaganda, Scientology is very good at it and obviously you believe their own ridiculous hype!!!! Funny how you only talk about Actors, Musicians, Business People, why? Most of Scientology is made up of the average person. You talk about FREE WILL, hmmmm what a joke, once your in it, its hard to get out without reprisal from other CULT members, so please get off the high horse you think your on!!!

[Fangs1978]

I know this is borderline necro posting, but I just have to ask; How can you have free will without chaos?

[Trinity4KRR]

You're absolutely right. Unfortunately it seems the majority of people prefer the chaos through sensationalizing media and want to believe that all people that stop by a SCN are brainwashed if they decide they want to be a part of it. That's absurd. That's all I was trying to point out. These people chose of their own free will.

[rspawn]

People choose of their own free will to join a cult they know very little about - such as the fact that CoS won't let you leave when you want, in spite of the fact that you signed a contract with them that says you may leave when you want. Though probably CoS doesn't treat their celebrity members like that.

And CoS certainly does not tell people about Xenu and the thetan nonsense that are part of the CoS belief system, until they have reached the higher OT levels.

[Trinity4KRR]

Besides that I mention groups of people and this is what I got: (Funny how you only talk about Actors, Musicians, Business People, why? Most of Scientology is made up of the average person. You talk about FREE WILL, hmmmm what a joke, once your in it, its hard to get out without reprisal from other CULT members, so please get off the high horse you think your on!!!) Last time I looked I was an average person and No One is forcing Me to do a Damn Thing.

[phocjame]

Just out of interest, how does free will relate to chaos?

[hypnotekk]

it doesnt. its just someone trying to sound clever. chaos has NO direct link to free will.

[rickmojo]

I think Sweeney is absolutely freakin awesome!!!! I think there should be a Worldwide Ban on all Scientology Celebrities, show them what you think, dont watch their damn movies boycott them. There should be a movement against the Scientology Cult.

[Trinity4KRR]

A ban on SCN Celebrities? You would boycott a person for their chosen religion? Why? That is NOT a reason to boycott ANYTHING! They have obviously gotten something very valuable to their lives and that of the people they share it with. How can anybody be so closed minded as to believe it's a cult just because it Doesn't work for them. That is ... if U or they (anybody) has actually researched the church with an OPEN MIND. Sweeney is in a box! Maybe one day he will be free. I hope so.

[rickmojo]

No I would BOYCOTT a Celebrity. They are role models unfortunately to our children, to the weak minded. They are supposed to set examples. Me Close minded LOL, NOT!!! Scientology to me is a CULT, its that simple. They aremt allowed to believe in their religion freely, its a dictatorship Maybe if they didnt steal peoples hard earned money or didnt seperate families or attack those that dont believe the SCI-FI Crap or kill people for that matter, well maybe my opinion would be somewhat different.

[rickmojo]

It doesnt take someone who is closed minded to realise there is something Terribly Wrong with this CULT,all it takes is someone with a little humanity.They prey on the weak,its the cults meal ticket and it actually scare's me that they are allowed to exist.If anyone is closed minded its all the Scientology Cult members and their powers that be.But then again there is no free mind within Scientology,well maybe there is the one's that are making all the money.

[Trinity4KRR]

People are not chained to seats within the walls of the Celebrity Center and forced to be separated from their families. It is all FREE WILL. And the families can CHOOSE to support those they LOVE or exile them because of Media Hype. It is amazing how little people actually use their brains since the NEWS will always provide a true version. Well the Media will and can Be WE have to look for the Truth and Not just Follow the leader. Look at 9-11, There is some Hidden Truths There!

[rickmojo]

Okay, Ummm, Im sorry but did I mention the Celebrity Centre? When I said people are separated from their families, money stolen, I meant real people, general membership of the CULT. I beg to differ on who is exiled, the families do not exile , it's Scientology that makes the members believe that if their families do not support them they are called " Suppressive People " all ties must be broken.

[Trinity4KRR]

Well you are definitely entitled to your opinion, and YES they are role models for our youth as well as adults. And I highly doubt that they were FORCED to part with any monies, nor had their money stolen or taken from them. Free Will... try to remember that, no one was KILLED.

[rickmojo]

I am most certainly entitled to my opinion as you are also. LOL, ofcourse the celebrity's arent forced to pay any money, you must be a Scientologist. There are way too many documented cases of what they have done to people and their familie's and yes they have KILLED PEOPLE, maybe not celebrity's but the people no one will notice. Maybe you should do some re-search.

[KR1963]

Dude u r in a CULT yourself.

The cult of religious haters & bashers.

U r so brainwashed into your responses its laughable & predictable.

[gratex]

I don't bash religious people unless they start on me, and that's what you're doing here lol. Step outside the dogma for 2 seconds and look at your manner.

[KR1963]

Au Contraire

"The truth is that you are suffering from low self-esteem, your fairytale works for you..."

That sounds like a rip on me & my religion.

Knockoff the piousness G. U r brainwashed like the rest of them. U think in such simplistic terms. U r unable to see past the hateful words anti-scnist espouse.

[gratex]

lol, I'll ask you again: STEP OUTSIDE THE DOGMA AND LOOK AT YOUR MANNER. my antagonistic approach was a reaction...

[KR1963]

I invite u to take the same advice.

[alexoidztube]

I am waiting for the rematch between Tommy and John...I'll be there!

[memblor]

damn straight. Scientology is an unnerving, vindictive cult. Its a relief that their total membership numbers are outright fabrications though. Not 8 mil, more like 50 thousand max.

[xxxxxxxx200]

scientlogy is the biggest pile of bullshit, brainwashing empty heads who dont have the bollocks to think for themselves

[odinindahouse]

did you work a candy while you recorded your clip gratex? you sound like eating candy! when listening to your clip i started graving candy, lol, not the worst that can happen eh? lol

[gratex]

lol. mmmm i think i had a cold that day... Xenu's victims were infecting my body, making me ill.

[odinindahouse]

yeaaa, i'm scared too, maybe i have to call in sick lol, on a serious note though, we need a strong worldwide comunity to fight scientology. even though its already scary enough WHAT we know about them, seems its just the half of it. peace!

[KR1963]

Scholars recognize it as well as many world governments. Replace the word SCN with Catholicism or Judaism in the attackers and the attackers become obvious for what they are, RELIGIOUS BIGOTS. In the USA we have the right to practice freedom of religion. That is the big reason people came here. Completely UN-american to suggest otherwise.

[gratex]

You're clearly on their payroll. You have this stuff pre-made... since it took you less than 40 secs to make all 3 comments ( i have screenshotted this incase you deny it). there was a 16 second gap between your last comment and this one. So.. you must be cutting and pasting this in multiple videos. Clearly you want people to think highly of your religion.... well OPEN UP.

[gratex]

stop being so damn secretive and ... SINISTER. Yep, sinister. For an organisation to have to go about things in this way, it's clear that it's got something to hide.

[KR1963]

SCN is recognize by the IRS as a Religion so it is a charitable organization as demonstrated in the COURTS which in case you don't know, the IRS are the most determined bunch so to be under their scrutiny for over 30 years shows you we stood up to the test & passed. The IRS does NOT let you hide anything.

[KR1963]

Religion & Spirituality are SUBJECTIVE. Discussions about one's own experience are unique. I studied Buddhism in Tibet & Nepal. I studied the Bible in Hebrew. I researched extensively to see what coincided with my experience & SCN helped me explain everything as well as gave me tools to expand that spiritual knowledge.

[gratex]

also, this is more off-topic out of context propaganda, and i will not allow you to do so on my comments page. If you wish to advertise for your religion then you are free to make a video about it! All I'm saying is, tell people about it!! Tell people what it's really about. That's not a command, it's a suggestion.

[duffathx]

I don't think he lost his rag about the guy on the top of the parking lot. He was interviewing Kirstey Alley, Leah Remini and all those celebrities and I believe he mentioned something to one of the celebrities which Tommy the weirdo then misconstrued as an accusation of brainwashing. Thats what I think happened. anyway sorry I didn't mean for this to be anything malicious. I'm actually glad someone else felt the same way about the panorama episode. That stuff is amazingly scary.

[FreedomToThink]

Not in my country it's not, and plainly by the accent (and checks channel info, yup) not in the video posters country either.

Not to mention the Co$/IRS case is one of the biggest scams in American history, and it's about to get fully re-investigated.

[KR1963]

The fight against SCn is a well funded, well oiled machine with support coming from Pharmaceutical companies who lose so much when SCN points out the crimes of those who try to rob humanity of their freedom.

It is only a matter of time b4 Psychiatry & the Pharma companies that back them are relegated to the dust bins of history.

In the meantime our small movement will expand and help people discover the truth about the world that they live in.

[KR1963]

No G I am a fast typist. Nice try though to DISCREDIT me cuz u think I cut & Paste. Um that usually means that u r doing it yourself which of course I could care less about.

I have been a SCNist for 18 years and I am self-employed so on no one's payroll.

So is there a CRIME in being secretive? Show me what law is being broken? There is none. It is just YOUR subjective reality which of course we can argue about all night until we r blue in the face and no one will agree with anyone.

[gratex]

im not talking about hiding, im talking about the church system, you have to buy books, buy the knowledge of the church, why not be open about it? Why not have websites up giving ALL the details? Why not have a bible-type book explaining EVERYTHING about it? And... BS. nobody can think up and type a comment that long in 16 seconds, it was out of context to the video so it's clear that it's propaganda you repeat, just like your IRS comment.

[KR1963]

We have a bible type book, it is called WHAT IS SCIENTOLOGY. You can go to any church and read it.

There is nothing secretive about my religion.

To imply otherwise is to be either uninformed or on another agenda.

No G I can type that fast and it was not cut n paste from Notepad.

U just need to go to a church yourself and study SCN in order to find out for yourself what it is all about. You are missing it utterly, completely.

Truth is that u are suffering from deep amnesia & dont know it.

[gratex]

The truth is that you are suffering from low self-esteem, your fairytale works for you, others don't need them.

[KR1963]

Not even close G not even close.

U project your sense of self worth onto a delusional world view. U attack the very people that could help u with many things in life. Its unfortunate. I feel sorry for you but u r the one responsible for your own condition.

U ought 2 try studying some SCN b4 u make any comment on it.

All ur posts r just parroting the same old shit all other anti-religious zealots had had spilling out of the brain for many years.

[Trinity4KRR]

Then let OTHERS make up their own minds and keep your opinions to yourself about those that it does work for. Low self esteem MY BUTT!!!

[gratex]

ohhhhhh oh ohhhh how convenient for another SCN to turn up :P  hi.

[Trinity4KRR]

You are assuming asshole. How convenient for You. Like a human being Must be SCN to think it is insulting that most of you obvious bashers have nothing better to do than to jump on the media wagon of bullshit. :P Hi 2 U 2. :)

[gratex]

lol you are not very good at this intimidation thing. Firstly, the guy patronised me, I then patronised him back. That's how this game of life works.

[Trinity4KRR]

All of this is a waste of time and energy. It just feeds and breeds conflict. Why would ANYONE enjoy that. If people choose SCN, let them choose. How does it hurt YOU? I just think it is sad to waste so much energy when a person could been spreading Positive Thoughts Instead. That goes for BOTH of You.

[rickmojo]

Watch out Gratex, their ganging up lol!!!

[SayNoToCulture]

"No G I am a fast typist. Nice try though to DISCREDIT me cuz u think I cut & Paste."

Do you scientologists go out of your way to look like your BSing? Maybe your just a horrible liar.

Here's an idea dumbass, say: "I previous typed the message on a word pad so I could paste my argument uninterrupted."

[KR1963]

What is stock & trade for most hate mongers is to dehumanize their opponents by saying that they are criminals of the most heinous type. This then justifies, in the attackers mind, the right to attempt to take away the rights of such a group. SCN is a religion.

[KR1963]

Um yea right. It is predictable as any one trying to defend themselves. Just like most of the knee jerk reactions out here are so very predictable instead of having an intelligent discussion.

[KR1963]

Most of you just listen to the media and do what your told. Believe them & never research for yourself. Very unfortunate.

[gratex]

sounds like the followers of scientology, being told what to think, how to act, and doing it!

[IMBUED]

No religon would ever hide thier knowedge or make you pay for it, thats called seeking control, in my opinion.

I think alot of religons have alot of commonalities which is why ill never exclude god, people fight about the small differances, and never think about what they all have in common. I think its people that give faiths a bad name, not the faith itself, people use it as a way to control others, which is not what its all about.

[logicmind1]

All cults proclaim the same boring shit:

1)"We have discover the truth"

2)"You are in darkness"

3)"We want to save you"

4)"Non-cult members are evil" (paranoia)

5)"Our leader is like god"

6)"It's not a murder: we're saving souls"

7)"We will help you feel better about yourself"

8)"we are not a cult"

9) etc etc etc

[apacalypse781]

Xenu is my god Fuck Scientology. scientology is a society of evil dispicable bastards who are the apitomy of the word cult.

[MitchyLR]

Well now.....either the most respected television broadcasting organisation in the world......or a bunch of nutters founded by a second-rate writer who believed we are hosts for the spirits of a dying alien race......hmmmm, who to believe?

[gratex]

what would Xenu do?

[jademm]

(H T T P)petitions(dot)pm(dot)gov(dot­)uk(backslash)-Scientology

An e-petition to Tony Blair--submitted by James Higgs--is currently posted on the 10 Downing Street website. It is asking the British Prime Minister to prevent Scientology from becoming accepted as a religion in the UK. This is not a joke; it is an organized appeal that should be taken seriously. ONLY BRITISH CITIZENS OR RESIDENTS MAY SIGN THE PETITION. Pass on the link to all your British friends and family members.

[gratex]

your link doesn't work.

[JumppStart]

Have you ever read the book Hideaway by Dean Koontz? The murderer's idea of hell is kind of like these guys' idea of heaven. I'm interested in the game your playing though! Tetras rocks! I like your idea of playing a game while you speak, it's entertaining :) Not that you're not entertaining.. but it adds to it ;]

[JumppStart]

Very interesting. Yeah, that Hubbard dude does scholarships that I used to apply for back in the day, not knowing anything about scientology (free money, you know?) And then there was this "body wrap" place my mom and I went to once with just...loads of scientology stuff littered around the joint...and they over-charged us. It definitely is a business and it's definitely really creepy.

[ninjatechno]

its the new Freemasonry, a fraternal organization for the rich, money sticks to money.

i think the bcc reporter was right to hair dryer treatment him for his aggregation towards him, the tommy guy was a total infidel.

[gratex]

hair-dryer treantment lol, i like it. tommy davis... notice how he styles himself like tom cruise...from top gun days. Probably to attract cruise girls to the cult.

[Peltris]

CULT, EVIL, Money, Murder, Mind control, Brainwashing.

Child abuse, This cult is so close to the bone like the Nazi's before the second world war.

They need to be stopped. There leader is just like Hittler.

[gratex]

ok ok take your medicine...

[t3mplar1us]

Hi,

Clever way to cover you with the flash game. :)

I just created a new group on youtube called "Church" of Scientology, since there's one called only Scientology already. I'm collecting several videos with evidences about how bad Scientology is. They just remind me of Illuminati and the people of the "Order of Dagon" in H.P. Lovecraft books. :)

Who wants to collaborate with the group someway, just join it. Access youtube URL and put /group/cos at the end.

[Elenna1973]

Sooo...what's that game you're playing? How dare you not introduce me to it. Looks like fun...On a lighter note, this Scientology thing sounds like a challenge. You think we can take them? I know I could, with my crafty mexican powers I can infiltrate their base/hut/church/mom's basement/whatever...

[gratex]

I have lots of games I can introduce you to. hmmmm i wonder if there are any "kill the scientlogist" flash games

[Gemm73]

Yes, it does sound a bit like a cult. I really didn't know a whole lot about it until a few years ago when Tom blasted Brooke Shields. Ah, I stay away from the Most Viewed. It's just vacuous shit.

[gratex]

i think it's more of a business than a cult eh. I watched the south park episode about it yesterday, hehe funny.

[fisherd3]

It is feasible to pay every single person for their vid views and prevent "refresh cheating." Google already do something similar on a mass scale through adwords. It's also common practise to have a trial run with a limited number of users - have some faith, you're far too cynical for your own good. It would be scandalous if they didn't extend this scheme to all users, or at least users who fit reasonable criteria, i.e make original content with more than a 100 subscribers.

[gratex]

it would be scandalous if they didn't extend this scheme to all users yes, but given x length of time about it i'm sure people would accept it. This is a billion dollar business so I'm sure these guys know how far they can push it.  Too cynical? meh

[TheDave]

the guy said in the documentary, just before he lost it: he felt he was getting brainwashed. i've read up on a few other peoples attempts to infiltrate scientology and they often back off because they feel that they're becoming hypnotised. speaking of hypnotising - awesome format man :D

[gratex]

yeah the stuff they use is almost NLP, they play on emotions a lot and of course they prey on the vulnerable like all con artists.

[skitzsofrenik]

lol, did you not use a cam so the scientologists dont track u down?