Moon Hoax Theory Lies: Conspiracy Electronics vs Apollo Audio Center

[RadioPsiHAWKlogCent0]

Does any of these electronic diagrams explain why there is no perceivable delay between ground control and the "Moon". Of course not. The Moon is nearly 1.5 light seconds away from Earth and so there should have been gaps of nearly 3secs in all the "live" communications.

There are no gaps the missions are plainly faked.

[BlisterHiker]

@RadioPsiHAWKlogCent0

Comments like yours only confirm how ignorant most of you Hoax Believers are!

Did you ever use 2-way communication in your life? Think and try to imagine what happens when two people talk from both sides. Sometimes they wait, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they interrupt themselves or respond too early in anticipation.

Besides, audio recordings were made on Earth. Why then would you expect delay in response from Houston?

Think hard.

[RadioPsiHAWKlogCent0]

@BlisterHiker read what I wrote.

Recorded at this end there should have been a delay before the astronauts reply.

The best explanation nasa can come up with is that they started talking before Huston finished but this is complete bolloxs as they never overlap and always reply promptly.

The other explanation is of course that the audio was edited and NOT live as claimed.

[BlisterHiker]

@RadioPsiHAWKlogCent0

I left comment on your video, which only shows again how dumb you Hoax Believers are!

After touchdown Armstrong said "Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed." with no apparent delay after Dukes words from Houston "We copy you down, Eagle." simply because Armstrong was not waiting for Duke to say something at that particular moment. They both said those words independently, just like it often happens when people talk on Earth, even face to face.

[RadioPsiHAWKlogCent0]

@BlisterHiker If you are asking me to believe that even you believe that the Astronauts always started talking 2.8 seconds before ground control finished, I'm afraid I can't. You don't seem quite that dense, but maybe you are. You have plainly been blinded by hypnosis that's for sure. Why don't you talk to somebody neutral about it ??

[BlisterHiker]

@RadioPsiHAWKlogCent0

I told you. I am not going to waste more time explaing such simple things to you.

I showed you very good examples and it's not my fault you still can't understand it.

Even children know what happens when people talk to each other over the phone, radio or even face to face.

I will not be tolerating your bullshit here anymore. Bye.

[BlisterHiker]

@RadioPsiHAWKlogCent0

You are not only unable to understand how people talk over 2-way communication system, but also haven't watched much of EVA footage.

There are tons of examples which show delay of radio signal between Earth and Moon. Sometimes, depending on how VOX circuits reacted in specific situations, we can even hear an echoes of the voices caused by slight audio feedback!

Obviously, there was no additional delay between the astronauts. Hope you understand that.

[BlisterHiker]

@RadioPsiHAWKlogCent0

I have some examples from Apollo 15 which you should watch carefully.

watch?v=JO0A8BE8sIU

1:42 Dave Scott asks Joe at Mission Control a question

1:46 Reply from MC in Houston (instant because of no additional delay in recording time in Houston)

1:50 The astronaut confirms "Bag number 2" - a few seconds delay.

5:32 Joe from MC says "OK. Atta boy". We can hear an echo a few seconds later, clearly indicating large distance between MC and the astronauts!

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[BlisterHiker]

@RadioPsiHAWKlogCent0 >

watch?v=roa4LqmY8pk

2:17 MC: "Dave and Jim, this is Houston"

2:23 Dave responds a few seconds later

2:25, 4:33 The astronaut and MC talk on at the same time - just like people often do!

4:48-4:58 MC control talks to the astronauts

5:01 The astronaut responds "OK" - about 3 seconds delay

5:18-5:21 MC says "Dave, could you give us an EMU status check please?"

5:25 Response from Dave Scott - again, a few seconds delay

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[BlisterHiker]

@RadioPsiHAWKlogCent0

Cont. examples from watch?v=roa4LqmY8pk

5:57-6:03 Question from MC to Jim Irwin

6:06 Reply from Jim after 3..4 seconds

Radio signal travel time was not the only factor causing those delays!

It is normal for humans to sometimes wait a few seconds before responding, just like it is normal for people to interrupt each other during conversations or even talk at the same time!

I am not going to waste more time explaing such simple things to you.

[spacehopperballs]

Strawman Crap designed to get people to switch off.

[ApolloWasReal]

@spacehopperballs What, you mean hunchbacked's stuff? I agree. He's pretty hard to take. Imagine someone producing 125+ videos each claiming the Apollo program -- probably the most thoroughly documented engineering project in human history -- never happened because of some "incoherence" that only he could perceive. And each "incoherence" is the obvious result of an arrogant know-it-all who obviously knows very little.

As they say, a little knowledge can be dangerous. That's hunchbacked.

[philwebb59]

In HB's reply, he apparently doesn't understand what a VOX is, 5:23. He also doesn't understand what AVC means. Why would he think the astronauts would have "volume control" to the transmitter preamps?

[DrTWG]

Really patient and expert rebuking of specious nonsense. Well done, excellent work. Excellence cannot be rushed.

[BlisterHiker]

@DrTWG

Thanks!

[GoneToPlaid]

The conspiracy theorist (hunchbacked) claims to have long ago worked on the electronic guidance system for a French missile. Yet he can't recall if the missile tests were successful. He also claims to be a computer expert and to have taught computer science for a living.

[philwebb59]

@GoneToPlaid HB claimed to be a computer engineer when he did his AGC videos about a year ago. He also claimed that he was integral in the development of the first microcomputers and that his next door neighbor is an aeronautics engineer. Although, recently, he has claimed to have aeronautics engineering experience himself. I wonder how he worked being a computer science teacher into all that? Quite a talented fellow.

[GoneToPlaid]

@philwebb59 Hunchbacked certainly has made quite a lot of claims regarding both his educational and work experience. His failures in relation to those claims are quite damning with regards to the veracity of his claims.

[destin325]

i guess this certain "conspiracy theorist" missed a key point on wiki (or wherever he gets his brilliant assistance) stating that diagrams/schematics show a de-energized circuit.

[philwebb59]

Solid BH. Very solid. And your patience is amazing.

Umm? I just noticed. BH? HB? Are you two like matter and anti-matter.

[BlisterHiker]

@philwebb59

Thanks Phil.

I think I will go and tell that anti-matter to visit this video and learn something, though talking to him is less interesting than watching grass grow.

[Astrobrant2]

Anyone who makes a technical video, especially in electronics, and gets kudos from ApolloWasReal can sit back and revel in his success. I only know a little bit about this, having dabbled around electronics as a casual hobby, but AWR is a friggin' tech encyclopedia!

Geez, Hunchbacked, you realize the core of our group has four engineers, (that I know of), and one physicist, right? And you are what, exactly?

[BlisterHiker]

@Astrobrant2

I suggest caution. Conspiracy Theorists are physicists, computer engineers, geologists, geochemists, retired professional photographers, pilots, architects, submarine commanders and Napoleons themselves when necessary. They know a lot, beyond a shadow of a doubt...

[Astrobrant2]

@BlisterHiker This kind of venue allows them to pretend indefinitely, depending on how plausibly they can string together words and phrases they picked up somewhere. At least they can't get away with their bullshit without a fight.

"physicists, computer engineers, geologists, geochemists, retired professional photographers, pilots, architects, submarine commanders and Napoleons"...

We know a couple who each claim to be almost all of those things, don't we?

[philwebb59]

@Astrobrant2 Ditto!

[ApolloWasReal]

@Astrobrant2 Gee...what can I say? I *am* an electrical engineer so I suppose I should be expected to know this stuff. The Apollo audio center is about as simple and straightforward as anything in Apollo.

I'm not a pilot, but I've flown with friends a few times. Their airplane audio systems all worked just like this. The crew can talk to each other (intercom) by VOX or with "hot" (continuously on) mike, but they have to push a switch to talk over the radio. Is this a coincidence? Hardly.

[Astrobrant2]

Very nice work, BH. Hunchbacked is targeting a topic requiring technical knowledge which is beyond the reach of hoax nuts, (including himself). That way, refutations like yours are even farther over their heads and hoax nuts are content to believe that the guy who is on their side must be right.

It is not beyond the reach of many Apollo defenders who are engineers and live and breathe this stuff, like you. I would challenge any hoax-nut to get a REAL audio engineer to evaluate this for them.

[apollotls]

EXcellent video.

I think I can guess who the hoaxer is ....

[Rob260259]

How dumb and ignorant can a 'aeronautical computerexpert' possibly be, not seeing the difference between a detailed schematic diagram and a block diagram...

[philwebb59]

@Rob260259 In all fairness, HB is probably quite old. Perhaps he doesn't remember the difference between a "representative" block diagram and a real schematic. He used to claim to be a computer engineer. He said he worked on the first computers, don't ya know. Maybe (and I'm just guessing here) he worked with von Neumann himself. Someone that old and crotchety may be doing well just remembering where he left his teeth the night before.

[ApolloWasReal]

@philwebb59 I don't actually know how old he is, but judging from the things he's said about computers I'd guess he first encountered them circa 1985 or so. This was actually quite late in the evolution of computer architectures and the beginning of a mass extinction that, thanks to Intel, has been so complete that "experts" like HB can look at old computer designs like the AGC and convince themselves that they never actually existed.

[philwebb59]

@ApolloWasReal To me, the AGC instruction set looks amazingly similar to the PDP-8 & PDP-11 instruction sets with all the flags and extension bits. And numbers had separate overflow and carry bits, which HB deemed redundant. Of course, HB also said that it was a mistake for the AGC to have two representations of zero, all ones and all zeros, even though that's part of the definition for one's compliment. Strange comments coming from someone who claimed to have helped develop the first micros.

[ApolloWasReal]

@philwebb59 I didn't know the PDP-8 but I did a lot of PDP-11 programming and I can't say that the AGC looked much like it. The PDP-11 was a much more "natural" design, but it also had the luxury of a considerably bigger power, size and weight budget. Most of the earlier members of the family used TTL, while the AGC used only one kind of RTL IC. Later PDP-11s used custom LSI, like the LSI-11, PDP-11/34, etc.

[philwebb59]

@ApolloWasReal Hardware-wise, they're nothing the same. But the instruction set and the way numbers were represented are similar. That was HB's major problem with the AGC. He said the instructions didn't make any sense and nobody could write a program with the language that would work.

[ApolloWasReal]

@philwebb59 Hunchbacked combines a remarkably conceited arrogance with a complete lack of imagination. When he sees a computer or circuit different from how it'd be done today, or different from how he'd do it, he jumps to the conclusion that it could not possibly have worked. He doesn't even consider that he might have missed something. And he's never heard (or understood) the expression "There's more than one way to skin a cat". This is as true in electronics as anything else.

[BlisterHiker]

@ApolloWasReal

hunchbacked reminds me of that stupid Xan character from Unreal Tournament game I used to play. No matter how many times he got his ass kicked, he was always coming back with his "I AM SUPERIOR" message :-]

[ApolloWasReal]

@BlisterHiker Kinda makes you wonder if he's for real, doesn't it?

[BlisterHiker]

"... "experts" like HB can look at old computer designs like the AGC and convince themselves that they never actually existed."

@ApolloWasReal

Could h'backed ever believe that analog computers exist as well? With so many attributes that don't fit his version of reality, those machines must be fake as well...

If he doesn't understand there is nothing that prohibits architectures like AGC, I wonder what other "revelations" he will reveal.

[mercatormac]

@BlisterHiker HB has made a video about analogue computers - watch?v=24fHg_Jieic

[BlisterHiker]

@mercatormac

Thank you for letting me know. I'm glad to see he admits that analog computers are reality, but after seeing a number of various insanities from him, including some of the weirdest claims regarding digital computers and AGC, I simply don't trust anything he says about himself.

[ApolloWasReal]

@BlisterHiker Well, he's convinced there's no such thing as an analog multiplexor, so it wouldn't surprise me if he did think analog computers never existed. After all, they used to be very common in aviation.

[Rob260259]

Well done and thanks BH, a good demolishing of the conspiracy antitronics logic.

Watching these explanations confirms one of the NASA principles: lose a few dB's but gain a lot of reliability and stability. I remember a video from some years ago in which was stated that one of the basics of the succes of Apollo was the ability of engineers to keep things relatively simple, so that fewer things could go wrong and that the chances for success were increasing.

[BlisterHiker]

"one of the basics of the succes of Apollo was the ability of engineers to keep things relatively simple, so that fewer things could go wrong"

@Rob260259

Exactly!

Where everyone who understands principles of engineering sees simplicity and reliability of design, Moon hoax believers see conspiracy.

[lukequixotesanjose]

You're getting very good at this. Very well made, and well done BH. Impressive.

[ApolloWasReal]

Excellent vid!

[BlisterHiker]

@ApolloWasReal

Thanks!

[protogenxl]

This Hoaxer probably also believes that Monster cable is better than FireFold

[BlisterHiker]

@protogenxl

Monster Cable is as close to high-end in their domain as Bose is close to high end audio... but surely, they both run extensive commercial campaigns.