@MedinaMuslima If you want I can put the basic points into google translate and see if it makes sense, i know some germans but they are in germany lol and I am in north America.
@FreePalestiniansNow Allah is the creator and we have his book, whatever is apparent know that Allah has created it and even if a thing appears one way we are only human, if we look 100 years ago we would think the scientists made stupid mistakes and in 100 years they will think we made stupid mistakes humans know a lot less than what they think yet Allah is All Knowing, a muslim will never doubt his Lord iman and doubt can't coexist
If a person during the WW2 era played part in the hoax of having a nuke when thye didn't- this doesn't mean the nukes didn't exist elsewhere or are not possible. There are other frauds i.e homeopathic "cure" for malaria, but that doesn't mean an actual "cure" or treatment for malaria doesn't exist (check anti-malarial drugs such as Chloroquine, etc). People will try to trick their way to fame, fortune or for the lulz.
This question should be put to historians or anthropologists. Islam deals with human after they have done beings monkeys. If you still believe an a bullshit theory of a miserable man like Darwin
@TurboDally Sorry brother, I think you misunderstood, I was trying to relate a verse to the notion we came from apes. I'm no expert, but I read somewhere humans have 46 chromosomes and apes 48. As you are a bio graduate, could it be possible that these chromosomes did not fuse but were split, hence the similarities in our DNA with not only apes but pigs too?. Don't say it's stupid because most evolutionist have been saying we are decended from apes.
"I was trying to relate a verse to the notion we came from apes"
Saying humans came from apes is like saying ducks come from birds.
"could it be possible that these chromosomes did not fuse but were split"
No, because we come AFTER, not before.
"most evolutionist have been saying we are decended from apes"
No, evolutionists don't say this- creationists do. It may be better that you consult a university level biologist/professor on these matters vs a bachelor level graduate.
@TurboDally Evolution is not science, they use it to bolster political ideologies. Poverty and welfare, race and immigration, education, sexual equality and human rights are just some of the public policy areas to have felt the effects of Darwinian thought. They even print his big head on the ten pound note.
The fact is we ARE human and always have been, Mr Dorkins thinks aliens seeded this planet.
Why do you insist on having monkeys in your family tree? Is that the best argument for no God?
@blueeagleTFL You Islamist are the ones who are not looking around and searching for answers. From your comment its clear that you do not understand the basic process of NATURAL SELECTION leading to evolution.
Monkeys and fish DID share a common ancestor at some point in history. Selection pressures placed over the millions and millions and millions of years have lead to the modern day monkey and fish being formed.
You get very very very gradual changes taking place over the many thousand and millions and billions of years. Its not always a mutation causing the change and you dont get fish giving birth to a monkey or vice versa . You need to read up a lot more science and stop listening to the Mullahs who are in self denial.
@ashleyk2002uk No, I don't believe in hypothetical assumptions of unlimited variation that you think transforms one kind of living organism into a fundamentally different kind. Obviously, no one has or will never observe anything remotely like this actually happening. Credibility for this bullshit THEORY is lost when fossils like Piltdown man was a total fraud, Nebraska man turned out to be a pig, not an ape man! And your Neanderthal man was simply a man with rickets and arthritis.
What do you mean by "kind"? Try using SCIENTIFIC terms please.
"no one has or will never observe anything remotely like this actually happening"
Have you ever seen the orbit of Pluto? You must realise that the time it takes for Pluto to complete an orbit around the Sun is much greater than the time since the discovery of the planet. We don't need to witness everything to know it occurs. Feel free to live a million years to witness evolution on a large scale.
Lol. Christians, Catholics, and Jews make Religion look bad. If you believe in science, Islam supports it. But if you don't believe, well hey Hell needs bones to burn, and I already see lots of people here that will burn in hell:) bye. If you respond back I assure you I wont reply:)
"Christians, Catholics & Jews make Religion look bad"
Don't forget Muslims!
"If you believe in science, Islam supports it"
As long as the science doesn't contradict or prove certain verses of the koran wrong.
"But if you don't believe, well hey Hell needs bones to burn"
Many of us are not so gullible, saying empty things like "you'll burn in hell" or "you'll reincarnate as a donkey" only serve to amuse us :) It seems Allah likes fake believers over true skeptics, dishonesty>honesty.
@JaVaLeNo "If you respond back I assure you I wont reply:) " - Classic from a theist of any kind. I just spoke to a woman on the street the other day that tried to tell me about Jesus, but then when she said what she wanted, she would hear nothing from me. Literally interrupted any time I tried to say a word and then ran off, making some excuse that she had to go.
@thugg22 And this kind of personal attack in the face of pointing out the inherent flaws in islamic thought is the very reason Isalam has such a poor reputation.
@noodlequest I gave you a proper advice, stay quiet in that rage-mode, you can't think clearly.
You say islam has a bad reputation, but the reality is that people accept islam more than you would imagine, that is the reason why less intelligent people feel the heat to make ignorant comments like you ie. "everybody sees islam as the religion of the retarded" while at the same time you have double standars and once your flaw is brought up, all you can do is to rage in Youtube. Remove your posts.
@thugg22 You are just adorable. At first I thought that you were just someone who enjoyed trolling but wasn't very good at it. Now I see that you're just a little dim (which supports my original assertion). I'm flattered that you would take the time to look through my profile and activities: I have to admit that you're not important enough to me to reciprocate. Whatever country you're from, I hope they have "special" classes for slow learners to help you with your writing.
You should watch ray William Johnson. Maybe they will appreciate your comments more, all people should be with the likes isn't that true. Do you really try to have some sympathy by saying "And this kind of personal attack..." when you yourself are the clear one who is making those kind of comments, obviously the one who is ignorant should be educated to behave properly, it is up to you to appreciate it or not. since your American, i recommend you to stop watching TV, i hope you have already
No where in the Quran is it mentioned Adam was the first human on Earth.
In a bid to explain the origin of mankind it seems the Muslims ripped this off the Christians and Jews or perhaps this was added by converts from the two religions.
" we created you (humankind), then we shaped you,and then we told the angels (controllers of the forces of nature) to submit themselves to Adam." ( verse 13, chapter 7, the battlements)
It also mystifies my that you accuse me in a denegraded tone of all talk and no substances while it is crystal clear that Abdur-Raheen Green only talks and never produces any substance.
In contrast, I just provided substance and no talk (just the headings) for which Abdur-Raheen Green has no answer. Don't believe me? Ask him! Whatever his answer will be he will have no answer for the known facts I listed (at best his answers will be evasive). Ask him!
@ninjaiwk Wow! I lost all my credit with my avatar? I never knew that an avatar can be used as a valid argument. But you are absolutely right that my avatar was chosen because of the statement it conveys. Do you understand the statement?
And you are right! So far I only talked about it. Of course I have prove for a common ancestry. Here it is:
1. Human chromosome 2.
2.The ERV distribution pattern within the primate chromosomes.
3. Further support: Atavism such as the human tail and hair.
how to response to evolutionists argument of genetic diversity, i.e. it is proven that our genes contain information, like a gene of having a tale (some babies are born with tales, i.e. like monkeys). Similar stuff can be found in bird DNA'S (some birds are born with proper TEETH!). There point is that this is a proof that we developed etc.
I would say that this man speaks the truth when it comes to combining the religion with science. I'm glad he made clear that evolution does not affect Islam. How ever, of course you can be muslim and think Allah (g.b.u.h) didn't intervien in animals or human development. He could just have been the grand starter with this thing all planned out, he just put the ball in motion with the knowledge where it would end.
His answer was ok untill 4.00 at which he introduced intelligent design. It got worse at 4.45 when he introduced a miracle and demontrably incorrect when he denied common ancestry with the other primates at 5.50
His faith let him no choice at 7.00 to declare a special pleading of acknowledging evolution but excluding the human primates from it. He is simply wrong blinded by his faith. And, of course, I can prove that.
It is about time you Muslims know and understand that Allah is not God. Allah is Satan who hates God, and the Holy One of God. Read Luke 10:16 and find out for yourself. Suffer no more illusion! Satan is the Angel of Light who appeared to Mohammed. Jesus is God, the Holy One of God. Demons acknowledged Him as the Son of God (Matthew 8:28-34), it is written in John 5:18 that “the Son of God equals God”. Jesus Himself said, “I am God” in Mark 15:61, 62. Woe unto you!
@righteousseed1 keep dreaming the bible has been changed so many times. many of those verses have probably been added by man.anyway islam dominates christianity because the bible contradicts itself so many times
@righteousseed1 Allah is god and we believe in satan separately as muslims. In the Quran we are taught to respect the christians despite them being misguided. The gospels of Jesus were at one point all the words of God, however, they have been altered by man and this has happened in a way where the man was misguided by satan. Christianity as a religion has been infiltrated by satan and his followers. However, you may still choose not to believe. The common enemy for us would be the freemasons.
If God can just "introduce Adam into the order of the world in a miraculous way" why did he need to evolve a universe and all it's other inhabitants first? Is this not placing limitations on the power of god?
Why would god wait 14/15 billion years before putting the jewel in the crown that is his creation?
@stramster1 Maybe its becuz god didnt want adam and the rest of human beings to co-exist with dinosaurs. Maybe humans didnt need to evolve and animals needed to with all our higher intelligence. Maybe its because humans were made superior and animals inferior hence they needed to learn and change according to the environment. Maybe because god wanted animals to fall into a food chain and learn to survive on their own rather than by giving them the knowledge beforehand.
@stramster1 Lol....its still not decisive. It is still a theory. Im not saying that I dont believe in evolution. I just believe that humans didnt evolve in the classical sense. Maybe a little here and a little there, but not completely like science sez. Animals did. But as always there are Muslim scholars who say tht evolution from the scientific perspective is right. But I dont believe that.
@stramster1 However at the end of the day, To each his own. You believe what you want, and I'll believe wat I want. Dont mistake me in thinking that I dont think u wont go to hell. :) :P
I still think you would, but im not shoving my religion and beliefs down ur throat. Cuz quiet frankly, I dont know u and dont care wat happens to u.......No offense intended :P
@N3crosis It is no secret that all religions r playing catch up in an attempt to regain some intellectual integrity. This is far 2 little far 2 late from an establishment that claims the authority of an all knowing god, I'm sorry but that dog wont hunt.
U may go on believing what U want, I believe what I have 2, regardless if i want to or even like 2 hold my beliefs. See the difference here? We may have our own opinions but we all get the same facs.
@stramster1 Muslims dont need intellectual integrity. We already gained that during the islamic golden age. If you dont already know Id like to inform u that the most basic of evolution theory's was by a muslim by the name of Al-jahiz. Again....Im not saying that humans havent evolved, but I do have a problem with evolving from primates.
@N3crosis Al-jahiz, that wasn't any evolution theory it put creatures in stages and said that humans were at the top of the ladder, it is not evolution and I could point to a greek philosopher that had similar views before that. Well then what did we evolve from?
@skydome29 "Animals engage in a struggle for existence; for resources, to avoid being eaten and to breed. Environmental factors influence organisms to develop new characteristics to ensure survival, thus transforming into new species. Animals that survive to breed can pass on their successful characteristics to offspring." That is wat he said in the book of animals. How your not able to see it as a basic evolution theory is beyond me.
@skydome29 uhhhh if im on this vdo defending muslims then obviously im a muslim. And that I do believe that humans were created by god. Why you did not understand that confuses me. :s
@N3crosis Yeah ok that didn't answer my question, I don't care if your the last of the zoroastrians, it doesn't answer my question. You said we came from "not as good" humans, i'm just saying elaborate on that.
@skydome29 Creation! Maybe god created humans more dumber but better hunters so we could survive in that climate and the habitat of that day. And we evolved with the improving conditions and new inventions that we made so survival was less of a problem!
@N3crosis what improving conditions? And if we were created why would we need tools, why couldn't this creator make us to require none? It would have saved a lot of siberian tigers and wholly mammoths, his other creations.
@N3crosis Now as to your thinly veiled threat of hell I will say this. Never have I felt more free, more capable of reaching my full potential, more considerate of my fellow primates or more prepared 2 face the truths of the natural universe & ultimately my own departure from it than now.
I wouldn't go back to living in fear of a god that I have to love ever. In fact now the idea seems so troglodytic to me as to seem comical. This renders your silly threat just that.
@stramster1 Also, I didnt threaten you in any way as I find internet threats absurd and stupid. It was a joke. As in, if im right, which I believe I am then you'll go to hell, If ur right then there is no backlash about my beliefs. All the wars and holocausts are unimportant because we are just beasts. And if your right then wasting my life is unimportant. A thousand years from now, our lives wont matter.
@stramster1 And the fact that most Ibrahimic religions said stuff that was far before there time, even if you pick up 1 of those things, makes me believe that there is something stronger and more knowledgeable than us mere evolved primates. I believe that its extremely self centered saying that we are the only knowledgeable creatures in this world and beyond.
@stramster1 I never said that you made that claim either. But that is how most evolutionists act and say. I was just conveying my views on that particular breed of evolutionists.
I suppose you have misunderstood it. Let me elaborate. We dont need intellectual integrity, because we already have it. Look at what our ancestors gave the world. All the inventions. But I do accept the fact that muslims nowadays are far less accepting of other views and beliefs. They just blindly follow every idiot.
@N3crosis I must correct you here I am sorry, intellectual integrity is always a work in progress needing constant attention not something you acquire and forget.
" But I do accept the fact that Muslims nowadays are far less accepting of other views and beliefs." I profoundly agree. Is it, do you think, intrinsic to the teachings of the quran, a distortion of social parochialism mixed with xenophobia or something else altogether?
I have many Muslim friends that show no sign of this intolerance
@stramster1 Well there are still muslim scientists around the world, but the world hasnt seen that many advancements in quiet some time now from any scientists!
And I dont think its social parochialism! But maybe xenophobia. But that maybe due to the fact that most politicians and religious leaders brainwashing people to serve their own agenda's by profiting through wars and gaining support by demonizing everything and everone.
@stramster1 I mean if the teachings of the Quran was the problem then muslims wouldnt have been far more accepting of other religions and ethnicities in previous times then now. You would have thought that as the world turned into a global village people would be far more accepting now. But every1 is fighting every1. The cycle of nonacceptance and lunacy seems unending. If its not religious nuts fighting each other, its countries, if not countries then ethnities.
@N3crosis I must I'm am sorry correct you again here. There have been many scientific advancements made in almost every field of scientific research. Just pick up a New Scientist Magazine and flip through the pages to see the amazing developments in almost any field.
I agree with your second point and to clarify both our sentiments, if I may, would say not only Islam displays intolerance and xenophobia, but it seems people of differing dogmatic world views that are not open to compromise ......
@stramster1@stramster1 Well I dont agree that science has advanced to such a degree as it did in the islamic golden age and then the renaissance. Its extremely slow and things arnt exactly advancing to an acceptable state. We are barely inventing new things and the world has stopped seeing the Einstein's and newton's etc.
Also I never said that islam is the problem. I said that religion leaders are the problem.
@N3crosis Your comments on science are either in jest or from an uneducated background on the subject.
Science has, in some areas, become so complex as to almost do away with the notion of a singular genius. Now there are collaborations of many scientists and in many cases they cover differing fields of research due to the complexity of the problems being worked on.
I did not claim you said Islam is the problem and I agree with you on the subject of religious authority.
@N3crosis ....in a local context, are easy targets for demagoguery. In this, as you well described it, global village groups that are not amenable change with diametrically opposed world views have now, more than ever before, the ability to incite hatred and contempt.
We must, believers and nonbelievers alike transcend this prejudice, and focus on the long term goals of an infant, intellectually advanced species.
I am agnostic (not the same as atheists at all, they have a faith in NO God at all) but I really do like to learn what various faiths say about science.
I like what an Islamic scholar said once to myself and my fellow students in a theology class at university, "all animals, plants and elements of the Earth are, in a sense, Islamic. Only men and the gen (called genies in the West and seen as somewhere between humans and the angels) can disregard Allah's will."
Sincere and genuine people seeking the truth should look at the scientific accuracy of the quran and they will see it is the undeniable truth - take care
islam accepts the concept of evolution BUT not from one species to another.
@Maj555 That would mean Humans have not originated from Apes..... If you believe that then I am sorry to say you FAIL. Modern Science is right and Quran is Wrong, as simple as that.
Even a Third Grade science student knows Evolution is true and Humans did come from Apes. If you don't believe, Good Luck living in the Dark Ages with your so called Islamic Evolution - Man from Sand and Eve from Adam's Ribs, That sounds so scientific and real afterall.
@forgottenmemories63 u seem so sure, or rather programed.. let me ask u & u tell me if u know the answer right now with out digging it up: How long was the time between the earliest "human" & the latest ,so called, "humanoid" ?? if u dont know then bite ur tong cuz u were convinced without searching enough for conviction.
@forgottenmemories63 Actually you are wrong "Humans did come from Apes." No we did not. We share a common ancestor with modern apes, the common ancestor being Old World MONKEYS. You have some research to do :)
@SanguineBullet667 I don't know how you try to reconcile your Beliefs with believing both what Science has to say as true and what Religion has to say as true. If I were you, I would pick one and stick to it. Science and Religion are the exact Polar opposites, Whatever Religion says, Science proves it wrong and vice verse...
So I don't get it how people can be Half Believers in Science and Religion, Thats simply like cheating yourself into believing both lol.
@forgottenmemories63 It's not half believing in either. I believe 100% in my religion but also accept science as fact because it demonstrates the natural order of the universe.
@Maj555 " Islam accepts the concept of evolution BUT not from one Species to another "
You FAIL again with "Evolution between Species is not possible" Idea of yours. The Birds you see today were Dinosaurs 60 Million years ago that hopped trees, Evolved Wings to Fly and ultimately over Millions of years, toned down to become those beautiful Birds that you see today. And guess what ? Science has discovered thousands of Fossils to back this up (A Creature that is Half Dinosaur and Half Bird).
@forgottenmemories63 Actually the man you are talking to is uninformed. I and the majority of Muslims accept evolution. For him to say that all of Islam accepts X is completely false and he is being disingenuous. Birds evolved feathers and lighter bones to first glide in the trees then even more so to generate lift and fly. Fish, like the modern lungfish, were able to survive out of water for periods of time which elongated into longer and longer time periods making them amphibians and so forth.
@forgottenmemories63 In Islam, we are mandated to accept scientific knowledge. Some deny it vehemently but most do not. Our belief is that Allah guides evolution though.
@SanguineBullet667 Things don't become scientific knowledge until they have substantial support. Denying vehemently something with substantial support is one way to ensure no one can take you seriously. Believing Allah guides evolution is another. Evolution is an intrinsic property of life. Whether there is Allah or God or Jesus is irrelevant. I could just as easily and with as much evidence as you say I believe the flying spaghetti monster guides evolution - but I'm not into shell games.
@Mexihanz6 I'm sorry you wish to deny that religion can and does accept scientific knowledge as fact. You are turning the issue into a theological debate instead of staying on topic. Tsk tsk tsk.
@SanguineBullet667 I don't deny that religion can and does accept scientific fact. What I find absurd is that it's a point of pride to say "we accept scientific knowledge as fact." It's good that you do, but it's sad that large fractions of religious populations do not. And turning it into a theological debate? No. My point is you've added an element of religion to a scientific process even though the element you added does not help to explain anything.
@Mexihanz6 you also must be a new atheist because the 'flying spaghetti monster' phrase is used by people who just finished reading 'The God Delusion.'
@SanguineBullet667 I've never read the God Delusion. You said Allah guides evolution. That's the topic to which I'm responding. So let's try again. Saying Allah guides evolution doesn't help anything. It helps as much as saying Jesus guides it. Or FSM guides it. Saying so is adding an impossible to prove or disprove shell, i.e. shell game. Religion can accept scientific fact, but introducing its own principles to justify or explain its acceptance makes no sense.
@SanguineBullet667 It's as if you've said 1 + 1 = 2 because long ago in a far away land, god's wrote the math rules and they decided such. Well, I agree with your end conclusion, that 1 + 1 = 2, but your reasoning isn't helpful.
there is no room for evolution in islam .... if it were true well so be it but its not if u believe in it yes u cant take one side of the cake deer brothers so he made us in stages it refers to in the motherd womb wish yes its true but dont forget that they have more fossils proving that we came from monkys then anything aLS so ya evolution means NO ADAM IF U THINK IM JOKING GO LOOK AT HOMO EREctus and many more brother we lost faith the evil ways of the west is talking us a drak road
Cell theory, quantum theory, germ theory of disease, number theory, atomic theory, chaos theory, big bang theory, special theory of relativity, theory of radioactivity, theory of electromagnetism, etc. But they're "JUST THEORIES!"
SCRAM in every day sense: RUN!
SCRAM in nuclear power plants: shut down the reactor!
Now, read on: "theory" in everyday usage, then "theory" in science, then hypothesis, fact, etc.
One could refer you to genetic evidence, but since you've shown signs of not understanding the basic terminology of science, I'd recommend you remain away from scientific matters that you cannot understand. There's a pretty good reason why there is a scientific consensus on things like evolution, the evidence is strong. Almost always, the skeptics of evolution tend not to be the god believers, but those who follow the Abrahamic religions (Islam/Christianity).
@gothictiamat What does "fact" mean? What does "theory" mean in a scientific context, as used in phrases like "theory of general relativity", "germ theory" and "plate tectonic theory"?
@2cabs2toucan The Fact is the scientific actuality of the theory. We don't say anymore the General Relativity Theory. It was a theory back in 1915. Now, we say the General Relativity and Germs. I haven't seen a doctor telling me that I have been infected by a theory of germs. It's just GERMS.
@gothictiamat So what then is a "theory" scientific in parlance? What do you mean by "actuality"? Are you saying for example that general relativity is some kind of absolute truth?
@2cabs2toucan What is absolute truth is not a theory and what is a theory is not an absolute truth, unless it's proven to be so. Wanna prove that the Evolution Theory is an absolute truth? Welcome. Go for it. Enlighten me. That's when I will say OK evolution is a fact and an absolute truth. That's what I am saying. Go even and get help from others to prove that it's a fact. Prove your point. Prove that we really came from monkeys. prove it scientifically and everyone will shut up. You know why?
@gothictiamat What does the word theory mean when used in a scientific context? You said earlier that you had never heard evolution described as a fact, but I would like to inform you that is widely described in such terms by scientists - there is no controversy among experts on this point. The theory part relates to the mechanism.
@2cabs2toucan Should I believe in speciation? You tell me why I should.
Besides, I would like to inform you that the human body undergoes evolution since the day it's born (hair growing, bones getting bigger, ect), but if you mean that we came from monkeys then this is not evolution. This is non-sense and a theory, unless it's 100% proven.
If also it's 100% proven, did the one who proved it take the Nobel Prize? or do you think the Nobel Prize is not worth it for a discovery like that?
@gothictiamat You can, and of course will, believe what you see fit. I was just curious as pretty much all Christian creationists accept speciation these days. This seems motivated by the need to support their global flood narrative as well as pretty clear cut examples both in the lab and the wild.
How does creation by divine fiat explain the apparent fusion of human chromosome two? Or other apparent evidence of common ancestry like Endogenous retroviral DNA?
@2cabs2toucan Either God made humans with what appears to be a fused chromosome, or a fusion happened somewhere in our past. If this fusion did happen it does not point to descent from apes. Even if we did share the same number of chromosomes as apes at one point we still could have been completely different from apes. Cats and pigs both have 19 pairs or 38 chromosomes. But do pigs and cats look like the same animal to you? Looking like an animal is different from being this animal.
@gothictiamat Firsly, I do not believe Allah is deceptive so I dismiss your first hypothesis on that basis.
The human chromosome 2 discovery story is a fine example of predictive power. Since its inception, evolution has made numerous bold falsifiable predictions and survived new observations. It faced challenges from paradigms of its day, like a young earth and blending theory of heredity. Being able to say "Godidit" in the face of any and every new observation is no virtue.
@gothictiamat Examination of DNA allows us to go beyond physical resemblances how do you explain the presence of endogenous retroviral DNA commonalties among apes?
@gothictiamat Examination of DNA allows us to go beyond physical resemblances how do you explain the presence of endogenous retroviral DNA commonalties among apes?
@gothictiamat Yes of course, evolution is one of the most important human ideas of all time and that is has happened and continues is of no controversy among experts.
So what is the commonality among the items on your list? ie what is your criteria?
@2cabs2toucan Bro, the list contains examples of 100% proven things like you asked. was that OK?
It was just to clarify the difference between what is a 100% proven and what is not (like being evoluted from Apes).
I agree with also. I don't believe God is deceptive either. God is perfect.
The human chromosome 2 discovery story is a fine example of predictive power, but it doesn't necessarily proves that evolution from Apes is a fact, right?
@gothictiamat No it doesn't prove it because everything in science is provisional but the fact that each new piece of knowledge in the last 150 years has served to confirm the idea in surprising ways and failed to falsify it is bloody good reason to think that is true. Not believing speciation is a major problem for your position because there is plenty of direct observational evidence - which seems to be your major criteria for your list.
@2cabs2toucan What is provisional about that the Molecular formula of the water is two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen? Somethings are not provisional at all. Yet, Evolution is indeed provisional, but not scientifically 100% proven as a fact.
Yes, it is a good reason to think it's true, but I wouldn't go that far, unless It's 100% proven. Otherwise, I would find myself even believing in steven spielberg stuff and living like an idiot.
I believe in what is proven. I reject what is not.
@gothictiamat The molecular formula is an interesting one but we don't have direct observation of atoms, but rather mathematical models. It is a model that has served us extremely well, as have pretty much all of those in modern chemistry, but it is essentially a human construct and only a model of what we call water.
We do have direct access to evolution happening through observation albeit not on a large scale since that occurs over periods beyond the human lifetime.
@2cabs2toucan Observational so your telling me u lot are providing the right chemicals an atmosphere. So the scientists are watching over it and making sure everything is in check correct?
@gothictiamat On second thoughts, I think I will retract my certainty that Darwin may have received a Nobel. Considering that Einstein didn't get one for relativity that may have been too conservative in dishing one out.
@2cabs2toucan You would like to inform me? That's really appreciated. However, I would like you to prove it to me and enlighten me. I need a strong evidence and proof of you don't mind. I am a man of science. I believe in science. That's why, I believe in islam because it's a religion based on reason (one God or creator) and science (load of evidences). I also would like to know, why there are monkeys living these days, if we evoluted from being monkeys.
@edifiertheaudioartis Did you see me saying that Gravity is a theory? I said it was called a theory, but now it's a fact.
If you mean by evolution the shifting process from an embryo to an old man, then I have no problem because it's a FACT. But, if you mean by evolution, being evolved from Apes, then you will have to prove that it's a fact. And don't tell me we have same hair style, same mouth and same dance.
I don't believe in a theory, unless it's proven to be scientifical fact.
"But, if you mean by evolution, being evolved from Apes"
Technically we are apes.
"I don't believe in a theory, unless it's proven to be scientifical fact."
Then you don't know what a theory is in the context of science, and facts. I recommend that you go to a scientific blog/site which explains this as I cba to waste time on those who don't even know the basics of scientific terminology.
Theory of Gravity? If you mean by a theory, "a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomenathen" then fine, but did the theory of evolution proved that evolution is a fact? And how? what's your scientific evidence?
Technically? is that your basis? how superficial !!!! is this the proof? mmmm. why don't you live on a tree and go and eat some bananas?
Why are there monkeys and Apes if we evoluted from them?
@gothictiamat No its not a fact. gravity is a law and we use gravitational force theory to understand it. So you're saying all this time scientists been discovering nothing but crap? all the fossils and dna testing does not bring up a way better argument than just saying all the species have remained the same since the beginning.
@edifiertheaudioartis All fossils and DNA testings could being any argument. You can say there is a relation between human beings and Apes. You can say there are similarities. You can say there commonalities. You can say there are testings that can bring arguments, but can you say that we evoluted from APES?
raising an argument or discovering similarities is a point and proving that it's a fact is another point.
@gothictiamat The transition of species from one to another are observed in perfectly hierarchical order with the timeline. Genetic mutations occur in living organisms all the time. This is not just a guess but well-supported theory that makes sense. It does not undermine the existence of God. If you're a muslim you should know that Islam does not contradict with evolution but rather supports it in many cases.
@edifiertheaudioartis As for the transition of species from one to another. If you mean by that as an example the transition from from primitive jawless fish to bony fish to to amphibians. Then I agree. However, some people take this a basis for saying that there was also a transition of human beings from Ape-like animals. I deeply oppose this, unless you can enlighten me again or by presenting a proof. You know I appreciate reasonable views.
@gothictiamat Okay, I am not going over these evidences because there are plenty you can look it up. And even let's say i believe in your version of Adam and Eve story, I would have to believe that we are all product of incest which is unethical and just wrong in eyes of anyone. Don't tell me Allah made an exception because He doesn't make exception for wrong, He can find a better way. Most of these stories in our culture have been influenced by Christian/Jewish culture and are not true.
@edifiertheaudioartis Adam and Eve were created perfect by God, so there were no defects in their DNA. At that time, there were no recessive genetic defects that would cause problems from inbreeding.
The reason God later outlawed it was because the genetic degeneration of the human race, had reached a point where there was the increased possibility of the children of such union having disastrous genetic problems.
@edifiertheaudioartis God is the one who allows and forbids, so incest and all bad deeds or acts are originally forbidden not by laws but by holy books (Quran - Torah - Bible). You wouldn't have known that incest is a bad a deed if you found yourself being born on an island islotated from holy books, living only with only a father, mother and a sister.
@edifiertheaudioartis While Islam recognizes the general idea of the development of life in stages, over a period of time, human beings are considered as a special act of creation. Islam teaches that human beings are a unique life form that was created by Allah in a special way, with unique gifts and abilities unlike any other: a soul and conscience, knowledge, and free will. In short, Muslims do not believe that human beings randomly evolved from apes.
@edifiertheaudioartis The life of human beings began with the creation of two people, a male and a female named Adam and Hawwa (Eve). The Qur'an describes how Allah created Adam: "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape..." (15:26). And, "He began the creation of man from clay, and made his progeny from a quintessence of fluid" (32:7-8). Thus, human beings have a fundamental attachment to the earth.
@edifiertheaudioartis The Noble Quran does not say that Eve was created from Adam's ribs but states that Allah Almighty created "you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain has spread abroad a multitude of men and women." (4:1 Surah An-Nissa).
@edifiertheaudioartis the Quran does not say anything about early humans being 90 feet tall. You are indeed right. I didn't mean to write "as what Islam says", so take that back. However, I believe that human beings were taller than nowadays. I will give you my source.
If you go to the museums in China and look at the warrior armour set and weapon, the long handle type and you will realise how big & tall they were at olden time.
@edifiertheaudioartis Although Seth is not mentioned by name in the Quran but some Muslim exegetes report that he was the son of Adam and Eve. The tomb of Seth is located within one of the main mosques in the village of Nabi Shit (i.e. Prophet Seth) in the mountains above the Baqa'a Valley in Lebanon. This is the same range of mountains that contain the tombs of other early prophets such as Abel. The area of the tomb is not raised above the ground and is roughly 50 meters in length.
@edifiertheaudioartis In the late 1950s, during raod construction in south-east Turkey, in the Euphrates valley, many tombs containing the remains of giants were uncovered. At two sites the leg bones were measured to be 120 CM in length. Jeo Taylor, director of the mt. Blanco fossil museum in crosbyton, Texas, was commissioned to sculpt this anatomically correct, and to scale human femur. the giant stood some 14-16 feet tall. This is quoted from ancient-wisdom.co.uk
@edifiertheaudioartis If the theory of evolution is true, an animal must have been born at some time in the past with a different number of chromosomes than its parentsUnless that animal was able to mate, it would have no adaptive advantage. Therefore, if evolution as proposed is true, two animals must have experienced the same change in the number of chromosomes in the same geographic location during the same generation.
@edifiertheaudioartis Although "coincidences" such as this have not been observed in nature, they must have happened thousands of times in the course of history if natural evolution is to account for
Jazakallah khair
855842 1 month ago
This is a very clear explanation of relation of evolution theory with creation of man.
If Jesus , peace be upon him was created without father then Adam , peace be upon him could have been born miraculously and Lady Hawwa too
farzanatasneem 1 month ago
could anyone translate the most important facts in german, please ?
MedinaMuslima 2 months ago
@MedinaMuslima If you want I can put the basic points into google translate and see if it makes sense, i know some germans but they are in germany lol and I am in north America.
lilblitz 2 months ago
Mashallah you destroyed my doubt.
FreePalestiniansNow 4 months ago 22
@FreePalestiniansNow Allah is the creator and we have his book, whatever is apparent know that Allah has created it and even if a thing appears one way we are only human, if we look 100 years ago we would think the scientists made stupid mistakes and in 100 years they will think we made stupid mistakes humans know a lot less than what they think yet Allah is All Knowing, a muslim will never doubt his Lord iman and doubt can't coexist
lilblitz 2 months ago
Indeed, Allah knows best. May Allah reward this brother greatly for his work.
7ensewlew 5 months ago
machallah, lahisalmek Abdulraheem vert
TheJackPicasso 6 months ago
"Piltdown man was a total fraud"
If a person during the WW2 era played part in the hoax of having a nuke when thye didn't- this doesn't mean the nukes didn't exist elsewhere or are not possible. There are other frauds i.e homeopathic "cure" for malaria, but that doesn't mean an actual "cure" or treatment for malaria doesn't exist (check anti-malarial drugs such as Chloroquine, etc). People will try to trick their way to fame, fortune or for the lulz.
TurboDally 6 months ago
This question should be put to historians or anthropologists. Islam deals with human after they have done beings monkeys. If you still believe an a bullshit theory of a miserable man like Darwin
Munzer1977 6 months ago
I am Catholic and this man is a very wise man! This is also what Catholics believe! Praise God (Allah)!
coolingbaba723 6 months ago 60
@coolingbaba723 absolutely my brother or sister. praise be to allah the all mighty
82ayda 6 months ago
@coolingbaba723 Brother I advise you to search "Dr Zakir Naik christian."
mohamadaqil 2 months ago
Just a theory, could it be possible that the similarities found in DNA with humans and apes are because Allah turned some transgressors in to apes?
"When in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions, We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." (The Noble Quran, 7:166)"
blueeagleTFL 6 months ago
@blueeagleTFL
"Just a theory"
Here are a few things that are "just theories":
Atomic theory, germ theory of disease, cell theory, gravitational theory, etc.
You'll probably get annoyed at me doing this, but as a bio graduate, I must XD
Humans are a subset of apes, apes are a subset of monkies. Humans are apes the same way that lions are placental mammals.
TurboDally 6 months ago
@TurboDally Sorry brother, I think you misunderstood, I was trying to relate a verse to the notion we came from apes. I'm no expert, but I read somewhere humans have 46 chromosomes and apes 48. As you are a bio graduate, could it be possible that these chromosomes did not fuse but were split, hence the similarities in our DNA with not only apes but pigs too?. Don't say it's stupid because most evolutionist have been saying we are decended from apes.
blueeagleTFL 6 months ago
@blueeagleTFL
"I was trying to relate a verse to the notion we came from apes"
Saying humans came from apes is like saying ducks come from birds.
"could it be possible that these chromosomes did not fuse but were split"
No, because we come AFTER, not before.
"most evolutionist have been saying we are decended from apes"
No, evolutionists don't say this- creationists do. It may be better that you consult a university level biologist/professor on these matters vs a bachelor level graduate.
TurboDally 6 months ago
@TurboDally Evolution is not science, they use it to bolster political ideologies. Poverty and welfare, race and immigration, education, sexual equality and human rights are just some of the public policy areas to have felt the effects of Darwinian thought. They even print his big head on the ten pound note.
The fact is we ARE human and always have been, Mr Dorkins thinks aliens seeded this planet.
Why do you insist on having monkeys in your family tree? Is that the best argument for no God?
blueeagleTFL 6 months ago
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BioLogicalNerd 6 months ago
@blueeagleTFL Yes and he has turned you into a moron. Evolution in humans has occurred doesnt matter how hard you creationists try to conceal it.
ashleyk2002uk 6 months ago
@ashleyk2002uk So you turned in to a down syndrome monkey from a mutated fish? You need to take a walk and look around.
blueeagleTFL 6 months ago
@blueeagleTFL You Islamist are the ones who are not looking around and searching for answers. From your comment its clear that you do not understand the basic process of NATURAL SELECTION leading to evolution.
Monkeys and fish DID share a common ancestor at some point in history. Selection pressures placed over the millions and millions and millions of years have lead to the modern day monkey and fish being formed.
ashleyk2002uk 6 months ago
You get very very very gradual changes taking place over the many thousand and millions and billions of years. Its not always a mutation causing the change and you dont get fish giving birth to a monkey or vice versa . You need to read up a lot more science and stop listening to the Mullahs who are in self denial.
ashleyk2002uk 6 months ago
@ashleyk2002uk No, I don't believe in hypothetical assumptions of unlimited variation that you think transforms one kind of living organism into a fundamentally different kind. Obviously, no one has or will never observe anything remotely like this actually happening. Credibility for this bullshit THEORY is lost when fossils like Piltdown man was a total fraud, Nebraska man turned out to be a pig, not an ape man! And your Neanderthal man was simply a man with rickets and arthritis.
blueeagleTFL 6 months ago
@blueeagleTFL
"different kind"
What do you mean by "kind"? Try using SCIENTIFIC terms please.
"no one has or will never observe anything remotely like this actually happening"
Have you ever seen the orbit of Pluto? You must realise that the time it takes for Pluto to complete an orbit around the Sun is much greater than the time since the discovery of the planet. We don't need to witness everything to know it occurs. Feel free to live a million years to witness evolution on a large scale.
TurboDally 6 months ago
Creation stories - unscientific.
Islamic embryology - scientifically inaccurate .
God is responsible for evolution - extraordinary claim that lacks extraordinary evidence.
Allah knows best - well that's because I dont understand shit.
Anything described as a miracle- unscientific and more like to be factitious.
Fact - Reality is outside the realms of what islam is willing to accept and not accept.
nighrage 6 months ago
Lol. Christians, Catholics, and Jews make Religion look bad. If you believe in science, Islam supports it. But if you don't believe, well hey Hell needs bones to burn, and I already see lots of people here that will burn in hell:) bye. If you respond back I assure you I wont reply:)
JaVaLeNo 6 months ago
@JaVaLeNo
"Christians, Catholics & Jews make Religion look bad"
Don't forget Muslims!
"If you believe in science, Islam supports it"
As long as the science doesn't contradict or prove certain verses of the koran wrong.
"But if you don't believe, well hey Hell needs bones to burn"
Many of us are not so gullible, saying empty things like "you'll burn in hell" or "you'll reincarnate as a donkey" only serve to amuse us :) It seems Allah likes fake believers over true skeptics, dishonesty>honesty.
TurboDally 6 months ago
@TurboDally What the hell are you even talking about dude?
DrMateen36 6 months ago
@JaVaLeNo "If you respond back I assure you I wont reply:) " - Classic from a theist of any kind. I just spoke to a woman on the street the other day that tried to tell me about Jesus, but then when she said what she wanted, she would hear nothing from me. Literally interrupted any time I tried to say a word and then ran off, making some excuse that she had to go.
samwilson3d 6 months ago
Ibn Khuldun, and many other muslims were tallking about this before darwin. Read THE MAGNUM OPUS "AL-MUQADDIMAH".
mad1jay 7 months ago
Aaaaaaand this is why everybody sees islam as the religion of the retarded.
noodlequest 7 months ago
@noodlequest Says a guy who is fanboying ray william johnson, a bit pathetic to be honest.
You should consider staying quiet rather than making a fool out of yourself by spamming ok?
And please, don't post any comments in that rage-mode once you read this.
thugg22 7 months ago
@thugg22 Nice. Make a bunch of douchey comments then ask not to be responded to. Douche on!
noodlequest 7 months ago
@thugg22 And this kind of personal attack in the face of pointing out the inherent flaws in islamic thought is the very reason Isalam has such a poor reputation.
noodlequest 7 months ago
@noodlequest I gave you a proper advice, stay quiet in that rage-mode, you can't think clearly.
You say islam has a bad reputation, but the reality is that people accept islam more than you would imagine, that is the reason why less intelligent people feel the heat to make ignorant comments like you ie. "everybody sees islam as the religion of the retarded" while at the same time you have double standars and once your flaw is brought up, all you can do is to rage in Youtube. Remove your posts.
thugg22 7 months ago
@thugg22 You are just adorable. At first I thought that you were just someone who enjoyed trolling but wasn't very good at it. Now I see that you're just a little dim (which supports my original assertion). I'm flattered that you would take the time to look through my profile and activities: I have to admit that you're not important enough to me to reciprocate. Whatever country you're from, I hope they have "special" classes for slow learners to help you with your writing.
noodlequest 7 months ago 7
You should watch ray William Johnson. Maybe they will appreciate your comments more, all people should be with the likes isn't that true. Do you really try to have some sympathy by saying "And this kind of personal attack..." when you yourself are the clear one who is making those kind of comments, obviously the one who is ignorant should be educated to behave properly, it is up to you to appreciate it or not. since your American, i recommend you to stop watching TV, i hope you have already
thugg22 7 months ago
Here's the funny (or sad) part:
No where in the Quran is it mentioned Adam was the first human on Earth.
In a bid to explain the origin of mankind it seems the Muslims ripped this off the Christians and Jews or perhaps this was added by converts from the two religions.
" we created you (humankind), then we shaped you,and then we told the angels (controllers of the forces of nature) to submit themselves to Adam." ( verse 13, chapter 7, the battlements)
Creation, then evolution, and THEN Adam.
setandlet 7 months ago
If you want to learn the truth about Islam and see how the Qu'ran got corrupted by Uthman and others, click on my channel. Peace
MuslimsNeedJesus 8 months ago
@ninjaiwk By the way...
It also mystifies my that you accuse me in a denegraded tone of all talk and no substances while it is crystal clear that Abdur-Raheen Green only talks and never produces any substance.
In contrast, I just provided substance and no talk (just the headings) for which Abdur-Raheen Green has no answer. Don't believe me? Ask him! Whatever his answer will be he will have no answer for the known facts I listed (at best his answers will be evasive). Ask him!
wimahlers 8 months ago
@ninjaiwk Wow! I lost all my credit with my avatar? I never knew that an avatar can be used as a valid argument. But you are absolutely right that my avatar was chosen because of the statement it conveys. Do you understand the statement?
And you are right! So far I only talked about it. Of course I have prove for a common ancestry. Here it is:
1. Human chromosome 2.
2.The ERV distribution pattern within the primate chromosomes.
3. Further support: Atavism such as the human tail and hair.
wimahlers 8 months ago
Maybe Adam (AS) was the first Homo-sapien and not first "man" (ie. Cave Man).
IHS7 8 months ago
@IHS7 good thinking.
Tazy50 7 months ago
@janusforf Can you prove that or is it simply another theory? ;)
umaralansari 8 months ago
how to response to evolutionists argument of genetic diversity, i.e. it is proven that our genes contain information, like a gene of having a tale (some babies are born with tales, i.e. like monkeys). Similar stuff can be found in bird DNA'S (some birds are born with proper TEETH!). There point is that this is a proof that we developed etc.
LeftShia4good 9 months ago
I would say that this man speaks the truth when it comes to combining the religion with science. I'm glad he made clear that evolution does not affect Islam. How ever, of course you can be muslim and think Allah (g.b.u.h) didn't intervien in animals or human development. He could just have been the grand starter with this thing all planned out, he just put the ball in motion with the knowledge where it would end.
peronkop 9 months ago
One of Allahs attributes is the "evolver"
1fq 9 months ago
His answer was ok untill 4.00 at which he introduced intelligent design. It got worse at 4.45 when he introduced a miracle and demontrably incorrect when he denied common ancestry with the other primates at 5.50
His faith let him no choice at 7.00 to declare a special pleading of acknowledging evolution but excluding the human primates from it. He is simply wrong blinded by his faith. And, of course, I can prove that.
wimahlers 9 months ago
@wimahlers Then hereby prove it :)
intellected 9 months ago
It is about time you Muslims know and understand that Allah is not God. Allah is Satan who hates God, and the Holy One of God. Read Luke 10:16 and find out for yourself. Suffer no more illusion! Satan is the Angel of Light who appeared to Mohammed. Jesus is God, the Holy One of God. Demons acknowledged Him as the Son of God (Matthew 8:28-34), it is written in John 5:18 that “the Son of God equals God”. Jesus Himself said, “I am God” in Mark 15:61, 62. Woe unto you!
righteousseed1 10 months ago
@righteousseed1 keep dreaming the bible has been changed so many times. many of those verses have probably been added by man.anyway islam dominates christianity because the bible contradicts itself so many times
umarpatelful 10 months ago
@umarpatelful i agree the original bible however is the world of god dont forget
jazakallah from algeria
giggity5313 8 months ago
@umarpatelful
the bible is a compilation of books written by man, here are their names:
Apostles Matthew, John, Mark, Luke, Paul and all of them.
though none of them said that their books were to be used as the bible
1ma4ighter 8 months ago
@righteousseed1 Allah is god and we believe in satan separately as muslims. In the Quran we are taught to respect the christians despite them being misguided. The gospels of Jesus were at one point all the words of God, however, they have been altered by man and this has happened in a way where the man was misguided by satan. Christianity as a religion has been infiltrated by satan and his followers. However, you may still choose not to believe. The common enemy for us would be the freemasons.
it966 10 months ago
@it966 Why would allah allow the re-establishment of israel in 1948?
Mrfalconfan1762 8 months ago
Abdur-Raheem Green IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST STONE OF ISLAM,,,ALLAH BLESS YOU BROTHER...
XBAGREMX 10 months ago
nice to see a moderate voice on this topic instead of the all to common polarization!
113111413 10 months ago
makes sense.
smokealistic 10 months ago
I suppose that even though this falls short on accepting evolutional as a fact, it is remarkable progress. Good to see.
thereturnofluis 1 year ago
obviously we dont have time, so very very briefly..and then he talks on for 7 minutes :-D good question anyway.
Torrben88 1 year ago
If God can just "introduce Adam into the order of the world in a miraculous way" why did he need to evolve a universe and all it's other inhabitants first? Is this not placing limitations on the power of god?
Why would god wait 14/15 billion years before putting the jewel in the crown that is his creation?
Did god have to wait?
stramster1 1 year ago
@stramster1 Maybe its becuz god didnt want adam and the rest of human beings to co-exist with dinosaurs. Maybe humans didnt need to evolve and animals needed to with all our higher intelligence. Maybe its because humans were made superior and animals inferior hence they needed to learn and change according to the environment. Maybe because god wanted animals to fall into a food chain and learn to survive on their own rather than by giving them the knowledge beforehand.
N3crosis 1 year ago
@N3crosis That is allot of maybes. You may as well add, maybe he didn't have a choice.
All seems a little tenuous to me.
We can look at the very location in our DNA where two chromosomes fused and separated us off from the other primates and instigated the Homo genus.
Now thats what I call decisive.
stramster1 1 year ago
@stramster1 Lol....its still not decisive. It is still a theory. Im not saying that I dont believe in evolution. I just believe that humans didnt evolve in the classical sense. Maybe a little here and a little there, but not completely like science sez. Animals did. But as always there are Muslim scholars who say tht evolution from the scientific perspective is right. But I dont believe that.
N3crosis 1 year ago
@stramster1 However at the end of the day, To each his own. You believe what you want, and I'll believe wat I want. Dont mistake me in thinking that I dont think u wont go to hell. :) :P
I still think you would, but im not shoving my religion and beliefs down ur throat. Cuz quiet frankly, I dont know u and dont care wat happens to u.......No offense intended :P
N3crosis 1 year ago
@N3crosis It is no secret that all religions r playing catch up in an attempt to regain some intellectual integrity. This is far 2 little far 2 late from an establishment that claims the authority of an all knowing god, I'm sorry but that dog wont hunt.
U may go on believing what U want, I believe what I have 2, regardless if i want to or even like 2 hold my beliefs. See the difference here? We may have our own opinions but we all get the same facs.
Humans r evolved primates if u like it or not.
stramster1 1 year ago
@stramster1 Muslims dont need intellectual integrity. We already gained that during the islamic golden age. If you dont already know Id like to inform u that the most basic of evolution theory's was by a muslim by the name of Al-jahiz. Again....Im not saying that humans havent evolved, but I do have a problem with evolving from primates.
N3crosis 1 year ago
@N3crosis Al-jahiz, that wasn't any evolution theory it put creatures in stages and said that humans were at the top of the ladder, it is not evolution and I could point to a greek philosopher that had similar views before that. Well then what did we evolve from?
skydome29 1 year ago
@skydome29 "Animals engage in a struggle for existence; for resources, to avoid being eaten and to breed. Environmental factors influence organisms to develop new characteristics to ensure survival, thus transforming into new species. Animals that survive to breed can pass on their successful characteristics to offspring." That is wat he said in the book of animals. How your not able to see it as a basic evolution theory is beyond me.
N3crosis 1 year ago
@skydome29 And I believe that we evolved as human beings into better and smarter human beings. Not from other primates.
N3crosis 1 year ago
@N3crosis well that begs the question where did these "not as good" humans come from
skydome29 1 year ago
@skydome29 uhhhh if im on this vdo defending muslims then obviously im a muslim. And that I do believe that humans were created by god. Why you did not understand that confuses me. :s
N3crosis 1 year ago
@N3crosis Yeah ok that didn't answer my question, I don't care if your the last of the zoroastrians, it doesn't answer my question. You said we came from "not as good" humans, i'm just saying elaborate on that.
skydome29 1 year ago
@skydome29 Creation! Maybe god created humans more dumber but better hunters so we could survive in that climate and the habitat of that day. And we evolved with the improving conditions and new inventions that we made so survival was less of a problem!
N3crosis 11 months ago
@N3crosis what improving conditions? And if we were created why would we need tools, why couldn't this creator make us to require none? It would have saved a lot of siberian tigers and wholly mammoths, his other creations.
skydome29 11 months ago
@N3crosis Now as to your thinly veiled threat of hell I will say this. Never have I felt more free, more capable of reaching my full potential, more considerate of my fellow primates or more prepared 2 face the truths of the natural universe & ultimately my own departure from it than now.
I wouldn't go back to living in fear of a god that I have to love ever. In fact now the idea seems so troglodytic to me as to seem comical. This renders your silly threat just that.
U get 1 life don't waist it.
stramster1 1 year ago
@stramster1 Also, I didnt threaten you in any way as I find internet threats absurd and stupid. It was a joke. As in, if im right, which I believe I am then you'll go to hell, If ur right then there is no backlash about my beliefs. All the wars and holocausts are unimportant because we are just beasts. And if your right then wasting my life is unimportant. A thousand years from now, our lives wont matter.
N3crosis 1 year ago
@stramster1 And the fact that most Ibrahimic religions said stuff that was far before there time, even if you pick up 1 of those things, makes me believe that there is something stronger and more knowledgeable than us mere evolved primates. I believe that its extremely self centered saying that we are the only knowledgeable creatures in this world and beyond.
N3crosis 1 year ago
@N3crosis "I believe that its extremely self centered saying that we are the only knowledgeable creatures in this world and beyond."
I never made this claim.
"Muslims don't need intellectual integrity."
Do my eyes deceive me?
Tell me you do not mean this or I have misunderstood this remark.
stramster1 1 year ago
@stramster1 I never said that you made that claim either. But that is how most evolutionists act and say. I was just conveying my views on that particular breed of evolutionists.
I suppose you have misunderstood it. Let me elaborate. We dont need intellectual integrity, because we already have it. Look at what our ancestors gave the world. All the inventions. But I do accept the fact that muslims nowadays are far less accepting of other views and beliefs. They just blindly follow every idiot.
N3crosis 1 year ago
@N3crosis I must correct you here I am sorry, intellectual integrity is always a work in progress needing constant attention not something you acquire and forget.
" But I do accept the fact that Muslims nowadays are far less accepting of other views and beliefs." I profoundly agree. Is it, do you think, intrinsic to the teachings of the quran, a distortion of social parochialism mixed with xenophobia or something else altogether?
I have many Muslim friends that show no sign of this intolerance
stramster1 1 year ago
@stramster1 Well there are still muslim scientists around the world, but the world hasnt seen that many advancements in quiet some time now from any scientists!
And I dont think its social parochialism! But maybe xenophobia. But that maybe due to the fact that most politicians and religious leaders brainwashing people to serve their own agenda's by profiting through wars and gaining support by demonizing everything and everone.
N3crosis 1 year ago
@stramster1 I mean if the teachings of the Quran was the problem then muslims wouldnt have been far more accepting of other religions and ethnicities in previous times then now. You would have thought that as the world turned into a global village people would be far more accepting now. But every1 is fighting every1. The cycle of nonacceptance and lunacy seems unending. If its not religious nuts fighting each other, its countries, if not countries then ethnities.
N3crosis 1 year ago
@N3crosis I must I'm am sorry correct you again here. There have been many scientific advancements made in almost every field of scientific research. Just pick up a New Scientist Magazine and flip through the pages to see the amazing developments in almost any field.
I agree with your second point and to clarify both our sentiments, if I may, would say not only Islam displays intolerance and xenophobia, but it seems people of differing dogmatic world views that are not open to compromise ......
stramster1 1 year ago
@stramster1 @stramster1 Well I dont agree that science has advanced to such a degree as it did in the islamic golden age and then the renaissance. Its extremely slow and things arnt exactly advancing to an acceptable state. We are barely inventing new things and the world has stopped seeing the Einstein's and newton's etc.
Also I never said that islam is the problem. I said that religion leaders are the problem.
N3crosis 11 months ago
@N3crosis Your comments on science are either in jest or from an uneducated background on the subject.
Science has, in some areas, become so complex as to almost do away with the notion of a singular genius. Now there are collaborations of many scientists and in many cases they cover differing fields of research due to the complexity of the problems being worked on.
I did not claim you said Islam is the problem and I agree with you on the subject of religious authority.
stramster1 11 months ago
@N3crosis ....in a local context, are easy targets for demagoguery. In this, as you well described it, global village groups that are not amenable change with diametrically opposed world views have now, more than ever before, the ability to incite hatred and contempt.
We must, believers and nonbelievers alike transcend this prejudice, and focus on the long term goals of an infant, intellectually advanced species.
stramster1 1 year ago
Islam mandates us to accept science. Evolution happens and Allah guides it's process.
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
I am agnostic (not the same as atheists at all, they have a faith in NO God at all) but I really do like to learn what various faiths say about science.
I like what an Islamic scholar said once to myself and my fellow students in a theology class at university, "all animals, plants and elements of the Earth are, in a sense, Islamic. Only men and the gen (called genies in the West and seen as somewhere between humans and the angels) can disregard Allah's will."
Rexanglorum 1 year ago
Sincere and genuine people seeking the truth should look at the scientific accuracy of the quran and they will see it is the undeniable truth - take care
islam accepts the concept of evolution BUT not from one species to another.
Maj555 1 year ago
@Maj555 That would mean Humans have not originated from Apes..... If you believe that then I am sorry to say you FAIL. Modern Science is right and Quran is Wrong, as simple as that.
Even a Third Grade science student knows Evolution is true and Humans did come from Apes. If you don't believe, Good Luck living in the Dark Ages with your so called Islamic Evolution - Man from Sand and Eve from Adam's Ribs, That sounds so scientific and real afterall.
Maybe God created Internet too ? LOL
forgottenmemories63 1 year ago
@forgottenmemories63 u seem so sure, or rather programed.. let me ask u & u tell me if u know the answer right now with out digging it up: How long was the time between the earliest "human" & the latest ,so called, "humanoid" ?? if u dont know then bite ur tong cuz u were convinced without searching enough for conviction.
jabri11 1 year ago
@forgottenmemories63 Actually you are wrong "Humans did come from Apes." No we did not. We share a common ancestor with modern apes, the common ancestor being Old World MONKEYS. You have some research to do :)
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
@SanguineBullet667 I don't know how you try to reconcile your Beliefs with believing both what Science has to say as true and what Religion has to say as true. If I were you, I would pick one and stick to it. Science and Religion are the exact Polar opposites, Whatever Religion says, Science proves it wrong and vice verse...
So I don't get it how people can be Half Believers in Science and Religion, Thats simply like cheating yourself into believing both lol.
forgottenmemories63 1 year ago
@forgottenmemories63 It's not half believing in either. I believe 100% in my religion but also accept science as fact because it demonstrates the natural order of the universe.
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
@Maj555 " Islam accepts the concept of evolution BUT not from one Species to another "
You FAIL again with "Evolution between Species is not possible" Idea of yours. The Birds you see today were Dinosaurs 60 Million years ago that hopped trees, Evolved Wings to Fly and ultimately over Millions of years, toned down to become those beautiful Birds that you see today. And guess what ? Science has discovered thousands of Fossils to back this up (A Creature that is Half Dinosaur and Half Bird).
forgottenmemories63 1 year ago
@forgottenmemories63 Actually the man you are talking to is uninformed. I and the majority of Muslims accept evolution. For him to say that all of Islam accepts X is completely false and he is being disingenuous. Birds evolved feathers and lighter bones to first glide in the trees then even more so to generate lift and fly. Fish, like the modern lungfish, were able to survive out of water for periods of time which elongated into longer and longer time periods making them amphibians and so forth.
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
@forgottenmemories63 In Islam, we are mandated to accept scientific knowledge. Some deny it vehemently but most do not. Our belief is that Allah guides evolution though.
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
@SanguineBullet667 Things don't become scientific knowledge until they have substantial support. Denying vehemently something with substantial support is one way to ensure no one can take you seriously. Believing Allah guides evolution is another. Evolution is an intrinsic property of life. Whether there is Allah or God or Jesus is irrelevant. I could just as easily and with as much evidence as you say I believe the flying spaghetti monster guides evolution - but I'm not into shell games.
Mexihanz6 1 year ago
@Mexihanz6 I'm sorry you wish to deny that religion can and does accept scientific knowledge as fact. You are turning the issue into a theological debate instead of staying on topic. Tsk tsk tsk.
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
@SanguineBullet667 I don't deny that religion can and does accept scientific fact. What I find absurd is that it's a point of pride to say "we accept scientific knowledge as fact." It's good that you do, but it's sad that large fractions of religious populations do not. And turning it into a theological debate? No. My point is you've added an element of religion to a scientific process even though the element you added does not help to explain anything.
Mexihanz6 1 year ago
@Mexihanz6 you also must be a new atheist because the 'flying spaghetti monster' phrase is used by people who just finished reading 'The God Delusion.'
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
@SanguineBullet667 And fitting that you follow up your tsk tsk tsk high road approach with a personal dig.
Mexihanz6 1 year ago
@Mexihanz6 It is fitting because you strayed off topic and went into robot mode quoting The God Delusion like a good little soldier :)
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
@SanguineBullet667 I've never read the God Delusion. You said Allah guides evolution. That's the topic to which I'm responding. So let's try again. Saying Allah guides evolution doesn't help anything. It helps as much as saying Jesus guides it. Or FSM guides it. Saying so is adding an impossible to prove or disprove shell, i.e. shell game. Religion can accept scientific fact, but introducing its own principles to justify or explain its acceptance makes no sense.
Mexihanz6 1 year ago
@SanguineBullet667 It's as if you've said 1 + 1 = 2 because long ago in a far away land, god's wrote the math rules and they decided such. Well, I agree with your end conclusion, that 1 + 1 = 2, but your reasoning isn't helpful.
Mexihanz6 1 year ago
there is no room for evolution in islam .... if it were true well so be it but its not if u believe in it yes u cant take one side of the cake deer brothers so he made us in stages it refers to in the motherd womb wish yes its true but dont forget that they have more fossils proving that we came from monkys then anything aLS so ya evolution means NO ADAM IF U THINK IM JOKING GO LOOK AT HOMO EREctus and many more brother we lost faith the evil ways of the west is talking us a drak road
lasboor2006 1 year ago
A small list of "theories":
Cell theory, quantum theory, germ theory of disease, number theory, atomic theory, chaos theory, big bang theory, special theory of relativity, theory of radioactivity, theory of electromagnetism, etc. But they're "JUST THEORIES!"
SCRAM in every day sense: RUN!
SCRAM in nuclear power plants: shut down the reactor!
Now, read on: "theory" in everyday usage, then "theory" in science, then hypothesis, fact, etc.
TurboDally 1 year ago
One could refer you to genetic evidence, but since you've shown signs of not understanding the basic terminology of science, I'd recommend you remain away from scientific matters that you cannot understand. There's a pretty good reason why there is a scientific consensus on things like evolution, the evidence is strong. Almost always, the skeptics of evolution tend not to be the god believers, but those who follow the Abrahamic religions (Islam/Christianity).
TurboDally 1 year ago
Maasha'Allah - this is a great video
mindmineral 1 year ago
Please guys. Scientifically speaking, Evolution until NOW is a theory. I have never heard about the Fact of Evolution. Only Theory of Evolution.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat What does "fact" mean? What does "theory" mean in a scientific context, as used in phrases like "theory of general relativity", "germ theory" and "plate tectonic theory"?
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@2cabs2toucan The Fact is the scientific actuality of the theory. We don't say anymore the General Relativity Theory. It was a theory back in 1915. Now, we say the General Relativity and Germs. I haven't seen a doctor telling me that I have been infected by a theory of germs. It's just GERMS.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat So what then is a "theory" scientific in parlance? What do you mean by "actuality"? Are you saying for example that general relativity is some kind of absolute truth?
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@2cabs2toucan What is absolute truth is not a theory and what is a theory is not an absolute truth, unless it's proven to be so. Wanna prove that the Evolution Theory is an absolute truth? Welcome. Go for it. Enlighten me. That's when I will say OK evolution is a fact and an absolute truth. That's what I am saying. Go even and get help from others to prove that it's a fact. Prove your point. Prove that we really came from monkeys. prove it scientifically and everyone will shut up. You know why?
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat What does the word theory mean when used in a scientific context? You said earlier that you had never heard evolution described as a fact, but I would like to inform you that is widely described in such terms by scientists - there is no controversy among experts on this point. The theory part relates to the mechanism.
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@2cabs2toucan Do you accept that speciation can occur?
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@2cabs2toucan Should I believe in speciation? You tell me why I should.
Besides, I would like to inform you that the human body undergoes evolution since the day it's born (hair growing, bones getting bigger, ect), but if you mean that we came from monkeys then this is not evolution. This is non-sense and a theory, unless it's 100% proven.
If also it's 100% proven, did the one who proved it take the Nobel Prize? or do you think the Nobel Prize is not worth it for a discovery like that?
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat You can, and of course will, believe what you see fit. I was just curious as pretty much all Christian creationists accept speciation these days. This seems motivated by the need to support their global flood narrative as well as pretty clear cut examples both in the lab and the wild.
How does creation by divine fiat explain the apparent fusion of human chromosome two? Or other apparent evidence of common ancestry like Endogenous retroviral DNA?
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@2cabs2toucan Either God made humans with what appears to be a fused chromosome, or a fusion happened somewhere in our past. If this fusion did happen it does not point to descent from apes. Even if we did share the same number of chromosomes as apes at one point we still could have been completely different from apes. Cats and pigs both have 19 pairs or 38 chromosomes. But do pigs and cats look like the same animal to you? Looking like an animal is different from being this animal.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat Firsly, I do not believe Allah is deceptive so I dismiss your first hypothesis on that basis.
The human chromosome 2 discovery story is a fine example of predictive power. Since its inception, evolution has made numerous bold falsifiable predictions and survived new observations. It faced challenges from paradigms of its day, like a young earth and blending theory of heredity. Being able to say "Godidit" in the face of any and every new observation is no virtue.
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@gothictiamat Examination of DNA allows us to go beyond physical resemblances how do you explain the presence of endogenous retroviral DNA commonalties among apes?
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@gothictiamat Examination of DNA allows us to go beyond physical resemblances how do you explain the presence of endogenous retroviral DNA commonalties among apes?
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@gothictiamat Can you give me an example of something that has been 100% proven? What does it mean to prove something?
Darwin died before the first Nobel Prize was awarded and non are ever given posthumously.
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@2cabs2toucan So if there was a Nobel Prize Darwin could have been awarded it because of a hypothesis?
Come on man.
I will give you examples of 100% proven things:
When I say:
- that the Molecular formula of the water is two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen.
- that Venus rotates around the sun clockwise.
- that the speed of light is 300,000 kilometres per second
- A typical person has around 4-5 litres of blood
- Water usually makes up 55% to 78% of the human's body
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat Yes of course, evolution is one of the most important human ideas of all time and that is has happened and continues is of no controversy among experts.
So what is the commonality among the items on your list? ie what is your criteria?
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@2cabs2toucan Bro, the list contains examples of 100% proven things like you asked. was that OK?
It was just to clarify the difference between what is a 100% proven and what is not (like being evoluted from Apes).
I agree with also. I don't believe God is deceptive either. God is perfect.
The human chromosome 2 discovery story is a fine example of predictive power, but it doesn't necessarily proves that evolution from Apes is a fact, right?
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat No it doesn't prove it because everything in science is provisional but the fact that each new piece of knowledge in the last 150 years has served to confirm the idea in surprising ways and failed to falsify it is bloody good reason to think that is true. Not believing speciation is a major problem for your position because there is plenty of direct observational evidence - which seems to be your major criteria for your list.
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@2cabs2toucan What is provisional about that the Molecular formula of the water is two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen? Somethings are not provisional at all. Yet, Evolution is indeed provisional, but not scientifically 100% proven as a fact.
Yes, it is a good reason to think it's true, but I wouldn't go that far, unless It's 100% proven. Otherwise, I would find myself even believing in steven spielberg stuff and living like an idiot.
I believe in what is proven. I reject what is not.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat The molecular formula is an interesting one but we don't have direct observation of atoms, but rather mathematical models. It is a model that has served us extremely well, as have pretty much all of those in modern chemistry, but it is essentially a human construct and only a model of what we call water.
We do have direct access to evolution happening through observation albeit not on a large scale since that occurs over periods beyond the human lifetime.
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@2cabs2toucan Observational so your telling me u lot are providing the right chemicals an atmosphere. So the scientists are watching over it and making sure everything is in check correct?
escodo 1 year ago
@escodo Sorry, you have lost me. And who is "u lot"?
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@2cabs2toucan Thank you for the conversation. You are an appreciable man.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat Likewise, friend. If you wish, please PM me to discuss these matters further.
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
@gothictiamat On second thoughts, I think I will retract my certainty that Darwin may have received a Nobel. Considering that Einstein didn't get one for relativity that may have been too conservative in dishing one out.
2cabs2toucan 1 year ago
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gothictiamat 1 year ago
@2cabs2toucan You would like to inform me? That's really appreciated. However, I would like you to prove it to me and enlighten me. I need a strong evidence and proof of you don't mind. I am a man of science. I believe in science. That's why, I believe in islam because it's a religion based on reason (one God or creator) and science (load of evidences). I also would like to know, why there are monkeys living these days, if we evoluted from being monkeys.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@2cabs2toucan because it will be a fact that all mankind have to admit.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat so is gravity a theory but you still believe in it dont you?
edifiertheaudioartis 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis Did you see me saying that Gravity is a theory? I said it was called a theory, but now it's a fact.
If you mean by evolution the shifting process from an embryo to an old man, then I have no problem because it's a FACT. But, if you mean by evolution, being evolved from Apes, then you will have to prove that it's a fact. And don't tell me we have same hair style, same mouth and same dance.
I don't believe in a theory, unless it's proven to be scientifical fact.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat
"Did you see me saying that Gravity is a theory?"
There exists a "theory of gravity".
"But, if you mean by evolution, being evolved from Apes"
Technically we are apes.
"I don't believe in a theory, unless it's proven to be scientifical fact."
Then you don't know what a theory is in the context of science, and facts. I recommend that you go to a scientific blog/site which explains this as I cba to waste time on those who don't even know the basics of scientific terminology.
TurboDally 1 year ago
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gothictiamat 1 year ago
@TurboDally wow wow wow. Easy pal.
Theory of Gravity? If you mean by a theory, "a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomenathen" then fine, but did the theory of evolution proved that evolution is a fact? And how? what's your scientific evidence?
Technically? is that your basis? how superficial !!!! is this the proof? mmmm. why don't you live on a tree and go and eat some bananas?
Why are there monkeys and Apes if we evoluted from them?
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat No its not a fact. gravity is a law and we use gravitational force theory to understand it. So you're saying all this time scientists been discovering nothing but crap? all the fossils and dna testing does not bring up a way better argument than just saying all the species have remained the same since the beginning.
edifiertheaudioartis 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis All fossils and DNA testings could being any argument. You can say there is a relation between human beings and Apes. You can say there are similarities. You can say there commonalities. You can say there are testings that can bring arguments, but can you say that we evoluted from APES?
raising an argument or discovering similarities is a point and proving that it's a fact is another point.
You can do testings as much as you want.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat The transition of species from one to another are observed in perfectly hierarchical order with the timeline. Genetic mutations occur in living organisms all the time. This is not just a guess but well-supported theory that makes sense. It does not undermine the existence of God. If you're a muslim you should know that Islam does not contradict with evolution but rather supports it in many cases.
edifiertheaudioartis 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis As for the transition of species from one to another. If you mean by that as an example the transition from from primitive jawless fish to bony fish to to amphibians. Then I agree. However, some people take this a basis for saying that there was also a transition of human beings from Ape-like animals. I deeply oppose this, unless you can enlighten me again or by presenting a proof. You know I appreciate reasonable views.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@gothictiamat Okay, I am not going over these evidences because there are plenty you can look it up. And even let's say i believe in your version of Adam and Eve story, I would have to believe that we are all product of incest which is unethical and just wrong in eyes of anyone. Don't tell me Allah made an exception because He doesn't make exception for wrong, He can find a better way. Most of these stories in our culture have been influenced by Christian/Jewish culture and are not true.
edifiertheaudioartis 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis Adam and Eve were created perfect by God, so there were no defects in their DNA. At that time, there were no recessive genetic defects that would cause problems from inbreeding.
The reason God later outlawed it was because the genetic degeneration of the human race, had reached a point where there was the increased possibility of the children of such union having disastrous genetic problems.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis God is the one who allows and forbids, so incest and all bad deeds or acts are originally forbidden not by laws but by holy books (Quran - Torah - Bible). You wouldn't have known that incest is a bad a deed if you found yourself being born on an island islotated from holy books, living only with only a father, mother and a sister.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis While Islam recognizes the general idea of the development of life in stages, over a period of time, human beings are considered as a special act of creation. Islam teaches that human beings are a unique life form that was created by Allah in a special way, with unique gifts and abilities unlike any other: a soul and conscience, knowledge, and free will. In short, Muslims do not believe that human beings randomly evolved from apes.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis The life of human beings began with the creation of two people, a male and a female named Adam and Hawwa (Eve). The Qur'an describes how Allah created Adam: "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape..." (15:26). And, "He began the creation of man from clay, and made his progeny from a quintessence of fluid" (32:7-8). Thus, human beings have a fundamental attachment to the earth.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis The Noble Quran does not say that Eve was created from Adam's ribs but states that Allah Almighty created "you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain has spread abroad a multitude of men and women." (4:1 Surah An-Nissa).
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis the Quran does not say anything about early humans being 90 feet tall. You are indeed right. I didn't mean to write "as what Islam says", so take that back. However, I believe that human beings were taller than nowadays. I will give you my source.
If you go to the museums in China and look at the warrior armour set and weapon, the long handle type and you will realise how big & tall they were at olden time.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis If you go also to the Cairo Museum you will see mummies that are different in length. I am not saying 90 feets though.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis Although Seth is not mentioned by name in the Quran but some Muslim exegetes report that he was the son of Adam and Eve. The tomb of Seth is located within one of the main mosques in the village of Nabi Shit (i.e. Prophet Seth) in the mountains above the Baqa'a Valley in Lebanon. This is the same range of mountains that contain the tombs of other early prophets such as Abel. The area of the tomb is not raised above the ground and is roughly 50 meters in length.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis In the late 1950s, during raod construction in south-east Turkey, in the Euphrates valley, many tombs containing the remains of giants were uncovered. At two sites the leg bones were measured to be 120 CM in length. Jeo Taylor, director of the mt. Blanco fossil museum in crosbyton, Texas, was commissioned to sculpt this anatomically correct, and to scale human femur. the giant stood some 14-16 feet tall. This is quoted from ancient-wisdom.co.uk
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis They actually discovered giants after all bro. You just have only heard about Dinasours.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis If the theory of evolution is true, an animal must have been born at some time in the past with a different number of chromosomes than its parentsUnless that animal was able to mate, it would have no adaptive advantage. Therefore, if evolution as proposed is true, two animals must have experienced the same change in the number of chromosomes in the same geographic location during the same generation.
gothictiamat 1 year ago
@edifiertheaudioartis Although "coincidences" such as this have not been observed in nature, they must have happened thousands of times in the course of history if natural evolution is to account for