DefenderofSparrows: this video shows exactly what happens to our native cavity nesters, with exception that --unfortunately-- both house sparrows lived. That is seldom, if ever the case, between house sparrows attacking-to-kill bluebirds and tree swallows. I've been on Sialis, too, and their info and photos are factual. I've seen those very photos in real life in my own nestboxes. I hope the house sparrow and starling become extinct in my life time. I'm doing my part to make that hope happen.
Elizaduck... You wouldn't happen to be Bet Zimmerman, would you?! And I've seen on Sialis of what they do. Sparrows aren't evil, it's just their instinct.
I purchased a very powerful and accurate air rifle called the Air Force Condor with nikko scope on it and killed hundreds of house sparrows and european starlings. I also purchased the "ultimate repeating sparrow/starling trap" which handled the flocks when they came through and it would catch 20-30 a day and then I killed the birds in the trap. I suggest the air rifle if only a small problem with pest birds and the trap if you have flocks of pest birds.
@freddyfast9 However, be careful not to hurt finches which look quiet similar in shape and size. Kill only house sparrows and not other native sparrow species...
I finally have martins and bluebirds coming back after fighting off hundreds of house sparrows and european starlings. As a bird lover I decided to listen to the skeptics of what damage these 2 species were causing. The result was all the martins dead or gone and the bluebirds had the same result the HOSP and starling took over every nestbox and cavity on my 3.5 acres. So don't let anyone tell you that the house sparrow and european starling are ok they are not or you can find out yourself.
Before commenting like you know something please do your research then comment. The house sparrow is a plague to songbirds and it's different than a bluejay that destroys a few eggs the house sparrow moves in and takes entire nesting areas. The european starling is just as bad if not worse due to it's size and strength. I've been birding for 25 years and have watched the purple martin and bluebird population dwindle due to 2 species the house sparrow and european starling.
Do not even begin to try and tell me what the house sparrows are NOT capable of . I just lost two tree swallows --native birds and non-aggressive-- to these little bastards. Alas, I did not get the pleasure of killing the sparrows. But, I now have another pair of swallows nesting --unmolested-- in the same box the others were slain in.
The 2nd swallow saw its death coming... it was facing its assailants, there was nothing left of its face, completely obliterated.
These people are very right. Sparrows WILL kill bluebirds and build there own nest for joy. They're also the messiest birds you'll find, and the only ones that have adult birds that leave droppings in the box.
They even have been reported to kill the birds and not use the box. (There you go, for their own joy)
Your comments are wrong in just about every way possible. Do your damn research and stop trying to act like you're right all the time!
I have studied the social behaviour of house- and field-sparrows. You and the other bird-fascists here are sadly wrong. Sparrows do not kill "for joy" and the do not intentionally kill at all.
They might injure a rivaling bird. But after all, that's just survival of the fittest. Welcome to nature.
Yes, but house sparrows are not part of the North American ecosystem; they have not proper place here, so is our responsibility to help out our native birds by dealing with house sparrows. Those of you outside of North America, where house sparrows are native don't have the same issues. They are a natural part of the ecosystem and fit in. Here they do not.
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Global migration is not unique to the human species. This is just nature.
The Native Americans were also happier without the European immigrants.
The world changes, and so do populations. From the evolutionary point of view, this is completely natural and even necessary. But I keep forgetting: evolution is not that popular in the US.
I think it's also very important for use to distinguish non-native house sparrows from our native sparrows. Only the house sparrow will take over a nestbox and kill the inhabitants. Our native sparrows do not.
Yeah, immigrants are always evil and bring death and mayhem to a native population. Why expect greater things from animals than from humans.
Seriously, immigration of species is natural. It always did happen at some point, and it always will happen. You cannot put nature into a snowglobe and prevent it from changing.
What a rubbish. The House Sparrow (passer domesticus) is in fact one of the many sparrow species, which belong to the genus of the "True Sparrow" (Passer).
Estrildidae are a completely different family than the Passeridae.
I'd just like to point out, for those interested in facts and not personal choices. Even the National Wildlife Federation has requested that the Eurasian Sparrow (this excludes the chipping and grass sparrows which are native) should be dispatched at every opportunity. Eurasian Sparrows do enter boxes and kill native nestlings. Doves and Gold Finches someone mentioned, do not. This is about preserving native song bird species. Stop Feeding non-native sparrows. Encourage Bluebirds. (">
@THEBIGDODGE74 Well they not evil, they do as other birds do, simply they overpowered in American eco-system. On Europe where they are native t's opposite, there numbers deceasing in some Europe countries and they sometimes end up under heavy protection
Sebring and scmcg with all due respect, you don't have a clue. House Sparrows are the satans of the bird world. They are evil little serial killers. They kill for the shear enjoyment of it. They pecked out the brains of my baby bluebirds last year and trapped the mother and killed her. They attacked my barn swallow babies WHILE I was at the barn and even pushed 2 of them out of the nest.
I have a bluebird trail, have run it for over 20 years, and I can tell you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that house sparrows will, without any reason whatsoever, KILL ANY NATIVE BIRD THAT ENTERS THAT BOX. Now, shut up sebring and scmcg, about birds you know nothing about. I trap/shoot/kill in any way possible any and all starlings and house sparrows I can. I hate them with passion. I've found my tree swallows' carcasses as part of the sparrow's nest "material". They kill, so I kill them, gladly.
House Sparrows aren't "nature" in North America. We brought them here, it is our duty to control them now. Don't get me wrong, I think killing HOSP is the second worst thing when you're maintaining a bluebird trail. The first is finding a nest with bloody, mangled bluebird chicks killed by House Sparrows.
The Grackle is native and does not do the damage that the Eurasian sparrow and Starlings do. It's important to know and recognize these species and their differences.
House sparrows have killed many of my violet green swallow young in the nest box. I have learned how to make an oval hole that keeps house sparrows out.
ProtectSwallows, I'm SO sorry for your losses! I'll admit, I didn't use the best words in my vocabulary 3wks ago but it REALLY burns me when people blow off or (as in the case of this video) make absurd comments about the havoc house sparrows wreak on native, cavity-nesting birds. Great to hear you've found a way to keep those flying rats out! Best of luck to you!
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At least you found a way to keep them out, rather than resorting to murdering them. In our yard the goldfinches and mourning doves are far more territorial and violent than house sparrows. I guess it is all a matter of where you live and what birds people believe are "better than others".. but some of these things I am reading (about the house sparrows I know and love) are seeming more and more exaggerated as I read on.
House Sparrows are considered pests and it's perfectly legal to kill them, thanks to public awareness, the house sparrow's population has been on the decline, and because more citizens are building birdhouses for Bluebirds, there population has recovered significantly. House Sparrows do kill for the thrill, and they have the heart of Saddam, not only do they destroy eggs and kill other birds, they even toss out nestlings.
Thats a house sparrow attacking another house sparrow. Nowadays they make blue birds houses, with special holes only blue birds and similar sized birds cna nest in an dnot the house sparrows.
Unfortunately, House Sparrows can get into 1-1/2 inch holes, the size used for bluebirds (some used 1-9/16). You are referring to Starlings which require a bigger hole and are locked out of properly built bluebird houses. House Sparrows can be locked out of houses intended for Chickadees and Titmice which use a slightly smaller hole, but bluebird nest boxes must be monitored to be sure House Sparrows don't set up shop.
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If you would have read what I wrote: I did not contradict that sparrows have rivalries or even fights with other birds. But a sparrow just won't purposely kill a bluebird. A bluebird, which dies after a fight with a sparrow must have been unhealthy before. It is complete rubbish to say that sparrows would "kill bluebirds". Same kind of rubbish like crows robbing nests.
And even if: what do you want to do? Interfere with nature to "fix things"?
House sparrows DO purposely kill bluebirds and other native birds They are pests and have led to the decline of many of our native birds species. They should be completely eliminated from North America, if that were possible. They are flying vermin.
European immigrants led to the decline of many native Americans, which they killed purposely. Non-native Americans are vermin and should be completely eliminated from North America.
In North America, House Sparrows are the "nazis" of the animal world. They're an invasive species which excel only at butchering native populations of birds, occupying their territory, taking over their nests, and killing their eggs and their young, very much like the way Germany acted during the 1930's and 1940's.
Perhaps this analogy is something you're more familiar with, and might help explain to you why we consider them to be a serious problem, and deserve to be eradicated.
Unless you are of Native American offspring, you mean they're like your ancestors!?
How ironic is that?
Your reasoning is laughable.
If you want to protect nature, start with your very own behaviour regarding fossil fuel consumption and producing litter, instead of acting like a fascist yourself about a small bird.
If you think house sparrows should be eliminated from Northern America, because they don't belong there, you talk like a Nazi yourself. Who's next after the House Sparrows?
If killing one House Sparrow will save the lives of dozens, or even hundreds of Blue Birds, that is a good thing. Just like killing nazis.
Spare us yet another anti-American diatribe, you sad little nazi-lover. It's pretty clear you are only motivated by hate, lack any common sense, and are only here to troll.
Ok, I think your rhetoric just got as pathetic as it can get.
I think you would have made a good Nazi yourself, as you seem open for their ideology. Your point of view regarding animals is revolting. I pity you.
I still do not understand your motivation why bluebirds need human protection from fellow animals. Because they are the good American Herren-bird? When was the last time you cared about Native American humans as much as you do care about Native American birds?
You seem to have a lot of arguments left if you start calling me a "nazi troll" for the mere reason that you think I am German.
Let me quote Theodor Adorno in this context:
"Auschwitz begins, where there is someone standing in an slaughterhouse thinking: it's only animals after all."
Your way of thinking is typical for fascistic ideology. You draw arbitrary lines on deciding who shall live, and who should not. You have started with house sparrows, but who is next? Jews? Muslims? Atheists?
yeah comparing animals that have no malice to blood thirsty lunatics??? great analogy... birds dont reason they act on instinct. they dont get up in the morning and say lets see who i can screw with today.
first off this wasnt a house sparroew every gdam idiot see's a small brown bird and its a "house sparrow" second ALL birds will attack other species the Blue Jay is notorious for carrying off the eggs of sparrows, finches , robins etc.
Black birds will reach into a purple martins house or a finch nest and behead them.
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LOL! What I "clearly know nothing about"? :D
Interesting how you seem to know what I do for a living or what academic degree I have. Do you believe everything Josef Mengele said and wrote in his lifetime, merely because he had a PHD?
Pay attention in that book to the studies that Dr. Davis cites (for example, Gowaty 1984 "House sparrows kill Eastern Bluebirds," from Journal of Field Ornithology), and the pertinent examples he gives from his own studies.
Personally I would sooner believe a Ph.D. biologist with a decades-long background in field studies, than some empty tin-can know-nothing on the internet with an obvious axe to grind.
"Sparrows will evict bluebirds, sometimes killing an adult in a box (Gowaty 1984). They will fill the box with trash, building their nest on the eggs or small young of the bluebirds. Larger young are often pecked to death by the sparrows before the nest is built over them. Kridler (1991) reported that one year sparrows killed twenty-six adult bluebirds and destroyed over 150 eggs and young on his trail in Texas."
scmcg: Here is one of many books which can give you a start on learning something about which you clearly know nothing at all: "Bluebirds and their Survival" by Dr. Wayne H. Davis, retired professor of biological sciences at the University of Kentucky. Dr. Davis has himself done many groundbreaking studies in the field of conservation of native cavity-nesting birds.
This whole Anti-House-Sparrow-Propaganda is biological non-sense. Of course, animals have rivalries about nesting places, but House Sparrows are no cold blooded killers. The do fight a lot among one another about pretty much everything, but this is part of their mentality and they are very similiar zu humans in this regard. But it is a urban myth that they would kill other grown up birds, as this would be waste of energy, when they could just chase them off, too.
You make it perfectly clear that you have little or no experience tending nest boxes, and consequently you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Your speculative, ill-informed ramblings could not be more wrong.
Just as a clarification: my reply was to "scmcg," not to the poster of this video.
The fact that house sparrows kill adult as well as nestling birds of native American species is well documented in the literature, and I have witnessed many such attacks myself while in-progress, as well as the bloody evidence left in nest boxes. House sparrows typically build their own nests right over the carcass of bluebirds (or tree swallows, etc.) that they have just killed. It is fact, not "myth."
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And even if - against all scientific evidence (and hearsay or unobjective eyewitness testimony do not count here) - sparrows would kill rivaling birds: so what? This would be nature, even if they might not be "native". What to do? Poison them? This would be specicism of the worst kind and just as disgusting as sexism or racism. Welcome to the 21st century.
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And even if - against all scientific evidence (and hearsay or unobjective eyewitness testimony do not count here) - sparrows would kill rivaling birds: so what? This would be nature, even if they might not be "native". What to do? Poison them? This would be specicism of the worst kind and just as disgusting as sexism or racism. Welcome to the 21st century.
House sparrows and starlings are not birds, they are a flying pestilence. Extinction!
ongawesgone 3 weeks ago
DefenderofSparrows: this video shows exactly what happens to our native cavity nesters, with exception that --unfortunately-- both house sparrows lived. That is seldom, if ever the case, between house sparrows attacking-to-kill bluebirds and tree swallows. I've been on Sialis, too, and their info and photos are factual. I've seen those very photos in real life in my own nestboxes. I hope the house sparrow and starling become extinct in my life time. I'm doing my part to make that hope happen.
ongawesgone 3 weeks ago
Elizaduck... You wouldn't happen to be Bet Zimmerman, would you?! And I've seen on Sialis of what they do. Sparrows aren't evil, it's just their instinct.
DefenderOfSparrows 5 months ago
Is it just me or does that look like house sparrows fighting each other?
noellana 5 months ago
disgusting little flying rats
They should never have been brought. These things are the Jack the Rippers of the bird world.
OH, and "speciesm" is a made up word =)
knghtcmdr 9 months ago
agreed, sparrows are evil
SkydinZeal 11 months ago
kill all house sparrows and european starlings
logos2600 1 year ago
haha , Tony's bird cam :P
soundmode 1 year ago
This not look like meeting, more like a combat
ShadowriverUB 1 year ago
im so glad i killed like 5 of those mother fuckers
legoofeggos 1 year ago
I purchased a very powerful and accurate air rifle called the Air Force Condor with nikko scope on it and killed hundreds of house sparrows and european starlings. I also purchased the "ultimate repeating sparrow/starling trap" which handled the flocks when they came through and it would catch 20-30 a day and then I killed the birds in the trap. I suggest the air rifle if only a small problem with pest birds and the trap if you have flocks of pest birds.
freddyfast9 2 years ago
@freddyfast9 carry on the good work mate and exterminate these two invasive species and preserve your native birds...
TheDexter2100 1 year ago
@freddyfast9 However, be careful not to hurt finches which look quiet similar in shape and size. Kill only house sparrows and not other native sparrow species...
TheDexter2100 1 year ago
I finally have martins and bluebirds coming back after fighting off hundreds of house sparrows and european starlings. As a bird lover I decided to listen to the skeptics of what damage these 2 species were causing. The result was all the martins dead or gone and the bluebirds had the same result the HOSP and starling took over every nestbox and cavity on my 3.5 acres. So don't let anyone tell you that the house sparrow and european starling are ok they are not or you can find out yourself.
freddyfast9 2 years ago
Before commenting like you know something please do your research then comment. The house sparrow is a plague to songbirds and it's different than a bluejay that destroys a few eggs the house sparrow moves in and takes entire nesting areas. The european starling is just as bad if not worse due to it's size and strength. I've been birding for 25 years and have watched the purple martin and bluebird population dwindle due to 2 species the house sparrow and european starling.
freddyfast9 2 years ago
Do not even begin to try and tell me what the house sparrows are NOT capable of . I just lost two tree swallows --native birds and non-aggressive-- to these little bastards. Alas, I did not get the pleasure of killing the sparrows. But, I now have another pair of swallows nesting --unmolested-- in the same box the others were slain in.
The 2nd swallow saw its death coming... it was facing its assailants, there was nothing left of its face, completely obliterated.
Monty --Shawnee/Seneca.
deemonty37 2 years ago 2
To scmg and sebring:
These people are very right. Sparrows WILL kill bluebirds and build there own nest for joy. They're also the messiest birds you'll find, and the only ones that have adult birds that leave droppings in the box.
They even have been reported to kill the birds and not use the box. (There you go, for their own joy)
Your comments are wrong in just about every way possible. Do your damn research and stop trying to act like you're right all the time!
bluebirdman9 2 years ago 3
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I have studied the social behaviour of house- and field-sparrows. You and the other bird-fascists here are sadly wrong. Sparrows do not kill "for joy" and the do not intentionally kill at all.
They might injure a rivaling bird. But after all, that's just survival of the fittest. Welcome to nature.
scmcg 2 years ago
Yes, but house sparrows are not part of the North American ecosystem; they have not proper place here, so is our responsibility to help out our native birds by dealing with house sparrows. Those of you outside of North America, where house sparrows are native don't have the same issues. They are a natural part of the ecosystem and fit in. Here they do not.
rtanner77 2 years ago 2
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Global migration is not unique to the human species. This is just nature.
The Native Americans were also happier without the European immigrants.
The world changes, and so do populations. From the evolutionary point of view, this is completely natural and even necessary. But I keep forgetting: evolution is not that popular in the US.
scmcg 2 years ago
I think it's also very important for use to distinguish non-native house sparrows from our native sparrows. Only the house sparrow will take over a nestbox and kill the inhabitants. Our native sparrows do not.
rtanner77 2 years ago 2
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Yeah, immigrants are always evil and bring death and mayhem to a native population. Why expect greater things from animals than from humans.
Seriously, immigration of species is natural. It always did happen at some point, and it always will happen. You cannot put nature into a snowglobe and prevent it from changing.
scmcg 2 years ago
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Oh, and by the way: the very native house wren doesn't behave any different.^^
scmcg 2 years ago
Well, I ment House Sparrows.
And the House Sparrow (HOSP) isn't considered a Sparrow, but a member of the weaver fince family.
bluebirdman9 2 years ago 2
What a rubbish. The House Sparrow (passer domesticus) is in fact one of the many sparrow species, which belong to the genus of the "True Sparrow" (Passer).
Estrildidae are a completely different family than the Passeridae.
scmcg 2 years ago
I'd just like to point out, for those interested in facts and not personal choices. Even the National Wildlife Federation has requested that the Eurasian Sparrow (this excludes the chipping and grass sparrows which are native) should be dispatched at every opportunity. Eurasian Sparrows do enter boxes and kill native nestlings. Doves and Gold Finches someone mentioned, do not. This is about preserving native song bird species. Stop Feeding non-native sparrows. Encourage Bluebirds. (">
HTCSWEOD 2 years ago 9
House sparrows are the devil!
THEBIGDODGE74 2 years ago 4
@THEBIGDODGE74 Well they not evil, they do as other birds do, simply they overpowered in American eco-system. On Europe where they are native t's opposite, there numbers deceasing in some Europe countries and they sometimes end up under heavy protection
ShadowriverUB 1 year ago
Sebring and scmcg with all due respect, you don't have a clue. House Sparrows are the satans of the bird world. They are evil little serial killers. They kill for the shear enjoyment of it. They pecked out the brains of my baby bluebirds last year and trapped the mother and killed her. They attacked my barn swallow babies WHILE I was at the barn and even pushed 2 of them out of the nest.
Ditto Joe88350!!
Aquene50 2 years ago 9
@Aquene50 Wow I thought they were alright, til I googled them now I'm going to deplete them with my pellet gun! Muhahahaha.
thepowerfulnews 4 months ago
I have a bluebird trail, have run it for over 20 years, and I can tell you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that house sparrows will, without any reason whatsoever, KILL ANY NATIVE BIRD THAT ENTERS THAT BOX. Now, shut up sebring and scmcg, about birds you know nothing about. I trap/shoot/kill in any way possible any and all starlings and house sparrows I can. I hate them with passion. I've found my tree swallows' carcasses as part of the sparrow's nest "material". They kill, so I kill them, gladly.
deemonty37 3 years ago 7
House Sparrows aren't "nature" in North America. We brought them here, it is our duty to control them now. Don't get me wrong, I think killing HOSP is the second worst thing when you're maintaining a bluebird trail. The first is finding a nest with bloody, mangled bluebird chicks killed by House Sparrows.
OntBirder 3 years ago 5
House sparrows are flying mice. They have chased away many native birds from my yard.
vikingteaparty 3 years ago 5
we used to make a point to take the BB gun and kill every sparrow and starling that came around to protect the purple martin nests!
MondoMedia7 3 years ago 3
does anyone know if Grackle are a native species to MI,USA? are they as aggressive as starlings and sparrows?
Seif5034 3 years ago
The Grackle is native and does not do the damage that the Eurasian sparrow and Starlings do. It's important to know and recognize these species and their differences.
HTCSWEOD 2 years ago 2
not mating, two males fighting for the box.
xjavex 3 years ago
Fucking sparrows! The mom nested under our awning and now it's attacking everybody...including our mailman! So now we can't get our mail.
footballdemocracy 3 years ago
To scmcg's comment: "sparrows just wont purposely kill a bluebird..."
BULLSHIT!!!!!!!
velocikat 4 years ago 4
House sparrows have killed many of my violet green swallow young in the nest box. I have learned how to make an oval hole that keeps house sparrows out.
ProtectSwallows 3 years ago
ProtectSwallows, I'm SO sorry for your losses! I'll admit, I didn't use the best words in my vocabulary 3wks ago but it REALLY burns me when people blow off or (as in the case of this video) make absurd comments about the havoc house sparrows wreak on native, cavity-nesting birds. Great to hear you've found a way to keep those flying rats out! Best of luck to you!
velocikat 3 years ago
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At least you found a way to keep them out, rather than resorting to murdering them. In our yard the goldfinches and mourning doves are far more territorial and violent than house sparrows. I guess it is all a matter of where you live and what birds people believe are "better than others".. but some of these things I am reading (about the house sparrows I know and love) are seeming more and more exaggerated as I read on.
sebring31482 3 years ago
House Sparrows are considered pests and it's perfectly legal to kill them, thanks to public awareness, the house sparrow's population has been on the decline, and because more citizens are building birdhouses for Bluebirds, there population has recovered significantly. House Sparrows do kill for the thrill, and they have the heart of Saddam, not only do they destroy eggs and kill other birds, they even toss out nestlings.
Politticker 4 years ago 4
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not cool, joe!
tubetube1000 4 years ago
Thats a house sparrow attacking another house sparrow. Nowadays they make blue birds houses, with special holes only blue birds and similar sized birds cna nest in an dnot the house sparrows.
EverettChick 5 years ago
Unfortunately, House Sparrows can get into 1-1/2 inch holes, the size used for bluebirds (some used 1-9/16). You are referring to Starlings which require a bigger hole and are locked out of properly built bluebird houses. House Sparrows can be locked out of houses intended for Chickadees and Titmice which use a slightly smaller hole, but bluebird nest boxes must be monitored to be sure House Sparrows don't set up shop.
CAbluebirder 4 years ago
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If you would have read what I wrote: I did not contradict that sparrows have rivalries or even fights with other birds. But a sparrow just won't purposely kill a bluebird. A bluebird, which dies after a fight with a sparrow must have been unhealthy before. It is complete rubbish to say that sparrows would "kill bluebirds". Same kind of rubbish like crows robbing nests.
And even if: what do you want to do? Interfere with nature to "fix things"?
scmcg 5 years ago
House sparrows DO purposely kill bluebirds and other native birds They are pests and have led to the decline of many of our native birds species. They should be completely eliminated from North America, if that were possible. They are flying vermin.
rtanner77 2 years ago 6
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European immigrants led to the decline of many native Americans, which they killed purposely. Non-native Americans are vermin and should be completely eliminated from North America.
That is YOUR VERY OWN argumentation.
See how ridiculous it is!?
You are nothing but a pitiful speciesist.^^
scmcg 2 years ago
I love it how you english people think you know everything.
Come over here and see what they do to bluebirds, then maybe you'd wish all the sparrows to hell.
bluebirdman9 2 years ago 2
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Well, as I said: European immigrants are pests from the native Americans' point of view. Don't blame innocent birds.
scmcg 2 years ago
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You are human vermin.
scmcg 2 years ago
Wow, you calling deemonty vermin!
He/She is only stating facts, obviously you can't stand the truth!
bluebirdman9 2 years ago 3
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Somebody who regrets not having had the "pleasure of killing the sparrows" can defenitely called vermin.
How sick and perverted do you have to be if you consider it a pleasure to kill an animal, just because it showed nothing perfectly natural rivalry?
Would you call it normal to enjoy killing cats, because they kill birds? Or killing lions because the kill gazelles?
scmcg 2 years ago
scmcg...
In North America, House Sparrows are the "nazis" of the animal world. They're an invasive species which excel only at butchering native populations of birds, occupying their territory, taking over their nests, and killing their eggs and their young, very much like the way Germany acted during the 1930's and 1940's.
Perhaps this analogy is something you're more familiar with, and might help explain to you why we consider them to be a serious problem, and deserve to be eradicated.
HalfCockedMD 2 years ago 5
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Unless you are of Native American offspring, you mean they're like your ancestors!?
How ironic is that?
Your reasoning is laughable.
If you want to protect nature, start with your very own behaviour regarding fossil fuel consumption and producing litter, instead of acting like a fascist yourself about a small bird.
If you think house sparrows should be eliminated from Northern America, because they don't belong there, you talk like a Nazi yourself. Who's next after the House Sparrows?
scmcg 2 years ago
scmcg - your ignorance is laughable.
If killing one House Sparrow will save the lives of dozens, or even hundreds of Blue Birds, that is a good thing. Just like killing nazis.
Spare us yet another anti-American diatribe, you sad little nazi-lover. It's pretty clear you are only motivated by hate, lack any common sense, and are only here to troll.
HalfCockedMD 2 years ago 2
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Ok, I think your rhetoric just got as pathetic as it can get.
I think you would have made a good Nazi yourself, as you seem open for their ideology. Your point of view regarding animals is revolting. I pity you.
I still do not understand your motivation why bluebirds need human protection from fellow animals. Because they are the good American Herren-bird? When was the last time you cared about Native American humans as much as you do care about Native American birds?
scmcg 2 years ago
Yawn... set filter = "ignore nazi troll".
Bye!
HalfCockedMD 2 years ago 3
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You seem to have a lot of arguments left if you start calling me a "nazi troll" for the mere reason that you think I am German.
Let me quote Theodor Adorno in this context:
"Auschwitz begins, where there is someone standing in an slaughterhouse thinking: it's only animals after all."
Your way of thinking is typical for fascistic ideology. You draw arbitrary lines on deciding who shall live, and who should not. You have started with house sparrows, but who is next? Jews? Muslims? Atheists?
scmcg 2 years ago
yeah comparing animals that have no malice to blood thirsty lunatics??? great analogy... birds dont reason they act on instinct. they dont get up in the morning and say lets see who i can screw with today.
SOUTHPAW731 2 years ago
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@HalfCockedMD Nazis are pretty cool people. More so than a lot of Americans I know ;) Yeah, my comment is gonna piss a lot of you off, tough shit.
MissArithe 2 years ago
Sorry MissArithe, you fail as a troll. No doubt, as a human being, too.
HalfCockedMD 1 year ago
Okay.
MissArithe 1 year ago
first off this wasnt a house sparroew every gdam idiot see's a small brown bird and its a "house sparrow" second ALL birds will attack other species the Blue Jay is notorious for carrying off the eggs of sparrows, finches , robins etc.
Black birds will reach into a purple martins house or a finch nest and behead them.
SOUTHPAW731 2 years ago
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LOL! What I "clearly know nothing about"? :D
Interesting how you seem to know what I do for a living or what academic degree I have. Do you believe everything Josef Mengele said and wrote in his lifetime, merely because he had a PHD?
scmcg 5 years ago
Pay attention in that book to the studies that Dr. Davis cites (for example, Gowaty 1984 "House sparrows kill Eastern Bluebirds," from Journal of Field Ornithology), and the pertinent examples he gives from his own studies.
Personally I would sooner believe a Ph.D. biologist with a decades-long background in field studies, than some empty tin-can know-nothing on the internet with an obvious axe to grind.
crystal130h 5 years ago 3
Here is a sample quote from the book cited above:
"Sparrows will evict bluebirds, sometimes killing an adult in a box (Gowaty 1984). They will fill the box with trash, building their nest on the eggs or small young of the bluebirds. Larger young are often pecked to death by the sparrows before the nest is built over them. Kridler (1991) reported that one year sparrows killed twenty-six adult bluebirds and destroyed over 150 eggs and young on his trail in Texas."
crystal130h 5 years ago 3
scmcg: Here is one of many books which can give you a start on learning something about which you clearly know nothing at all: "Bluebirds and their Survival" by Dr. Wayne H. Davis, retired professor of biological sciences at the University of Kentucky. Dr. Davis has himself done many groundbreaking studies in the field of conservation of native cavity-nesting birds.
crystal130h 5 years ago 2
This whole Anti-House-Sparrow-Propaganda is biological non-sense. Of course, animals have rivalries about nesting places, but House Sparrows are no cold blooded killers. The do fight a lot among one another about pretty much everything, but this is part of their mentality and they are very similiar zu humans in this regard. But it is a urban myth that they would kill other grown up birds, as this would be waste of energy, when they could just chase them off, too.
scmcg 5 years ago
You make it perfectly clear that you have little or no experience tending nest boxes, and consequently you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Your speculative, ill-informed ramblings could not be more wrong.
crystal130h 5 years ago 3
Just as a clarification: my reply was to "scmcg," not to the poster of this video.
The fact that house sparrows kill adult as well as nestling birds of native American species is well documented in the literature, and I have witnessed many such attacks myself while in-progress, as well as the bloody evidence left in nest boxes. House sparrows typically build their own nests right over the carcass of bluebirds (or tree swallows, etc.) that they have just killed. It is fact, not "myth."
crystal130h 5 years ago 2
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And even if - against all scientific evidence (and hearsay or unobjective eyewitness testimony do not count here) - sparrows would kill rivaling birds: so what? This would be nature, even if they might not be "native". What to do? Poison them? This would be specicism of the worst kind and just as disgusting as sexism or racism. Welcome to the 21st century.
scmcg 5 years ago
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I'm sorry to say this, but the only thing perfectly clear here is that you cannot distinguish biological facts from dubious backyard propaganda.
scmcg 5 years ago
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And even if - against all scientific evidence (and hearsay or unobjective eyewitness testimony do not count here) - sparrows would kill rivaling birds: so what? This would be nature, even if they might not be "native". What to do? Poison them? This would be specicism of the worst kind and just as disgusting as sexism or racism. Welcome to the 21st century.
scmcg 5 years ago