Having raced a CR 500 I can honestly tell you it takes a whole lot of effort to ride one on a tight track, but given the right "open" style track they are hands down the best experience you will ever have. 500's are a little picky on the type of dirt ridden in. They have a harder time hooking up cause the power gets delivered more immediately. I have ridden the 450's also but they are not as exciting to ride. They are good bikes, don't get me wrong. They are just easier to ride for more people.
That's funny you say that because street bikes are 4 strokes and are much faster. It might have to do with the extra cylinders but still. A ninja 250 will smoke a cr, rm, or kx 500. Not on the dirt of course ;)
i have rode a cr 500, and a 450, and the 500 is a fucking beast. the 450s now are pretty good because they rev faster, and they would have a little more torque, but it cant compare to the raw power that a 2 stroke 500 creates.
@Vagitarion A 450 4 stroke does NOT have as much torque as a 500 2 stroke. It's purely the way they function, 2 stokes have a power stroke(which means torque), TWICE as often as a 4 stoke. Read up on the difference between the 2 engines on that new thing called the internet. Its got twice as much torque as a fax.
@Vagitarion Why would I watch this video and comment if I didn't ride bikes? I currently ride a KTM 300 exc, and have owned a YZ450, KTM 450, YZ250, CR250, KX250 and KDX200.
I have ridden a CR500 plenty of times, both motocross and trail and can tell you that aside from the technical reasons already mentioned, it wallops a 450 in both power and torque.
I think this makes you the dipshit. Why don't you at least try and learn the technical side of the argument, hang on you probably can't read.
@floyn1 if i cant read than i couldn't write, another weak argue point on your part. you have proven your stupidity and fucktardedness, you may now cease.
I own both a 2 stroke(94 cr250) and a few 4 strokes(XL250, XR500) and all i can say is this: 2 strokes dominate tracks. They are far more responsive and like to be revved out. 4 strokes make better trail bikes, less jumpy on the throttle, and are more suited for low end. my CR is fun on a track but sometimes you just want to enjoy a nice trail ride, and thats hard to do when the bike is trying to redline and leave you on your ass everytime you twist the throttle.
the 450 is and always will be a faster track bike, better handling and transfer of power to the ground. saying that if you get a 500 on an open road or track were speeds over 120kph are needed then the 500 will make the 450 look stupid. its very hard to use the power of a 500 2 stroke on tight and technical tracks. transfering it smoothly to the ground takes alot of practice and skill. i think that rider ability has more to do with the 500 beating the 450 on this track.
@iluvmx1977 Learn on a 2 stroke and you can ride anything. Every time I get on a 4 stroke I think how effing boring. I love 2 strokes for their all of nothing power. If you know how to ride a 2 stroke it will beat a 4 stroke anywhere, 250vs250 or 450 vs 500 etc. Two bike of the same size one a 4 stroke and one a 2, the 2 stroke wins every time hands down. The only time it doesn't win is if the rider of the 2 stroke learned to ride on a 4 stroke. Real men ride 2 strokes.
@Scootertuner1000 i know where your coming from but disagree. the comment i made concerned the cr500 and crf450 and related only to the video here in question. its not a two v four stroke debate. i have owned many 500s and 450s. i ride both 4 and 2 strokes and love dirtbikes fullstop. if your argument was correct then it would make the new maico 700 two stroke the fastest dirt bike of all time. in theory yes but applying the power to the ground is a different matter. thankyou for your opinion.
@iluvmx1977 You're free to disagree, however in a race between a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke of equal capacity the 2 stroke will always win. That is why 4 strokes need an almost 100% capacity advantage to be competative. For example a CR250 would put out about 45ish HP whereas a CRF250 33ish hp, the 2 stroke is lighter and produces more power it wins hands down. That is why the the 4 stroke mfgs want the 100% capacity advantage over the 2 strokes. The Maico 685 is 80hp and 101kg (202lbs)
@iluvmx1977 Up till now the Maico/ATK 685/700 (which has been around for several years now in one form or another has mostly been used for desert racing. It is without doubt the fastest dirt bike of all time unless you are talking about 1200cc Dakar Rally type bikes. There is as far as I know no motocross class for it to race in. Further more it is not really an MX bike anyway. It's more of an all rounder even having the capability of bolting lights on and hooking them up.
@iluvmx1977 Oh and rider ability has nothing to do with the 500 beating the 450 on this track. From what I can see the 500 rider isn't even as good as the 450 rider. what he does have is around 60hp compared to 44ish of the 450
@Scootertuner1000 thankyou for your facts and figures. very educational, i never argued with your power stats, simply that the cr 500 is a dated design with old geometry (the 500af may be different) therefore has handling flaws compared to newer designs, also the engine is crude and raw and very hard to ride fast on tecnical tracks and requires a highly skilled rider to get the most out of. two stroke engine faster and more hp? of course. cr500 faster than a 450f on tight mx track? never.
@Scootertuner1000 if rider ability has nothing to do with it then why wouldnt i be able to beat everyone in the ama with nothing more than a cr 500 with a pro circuit pipe and boysen reeds, my bike would be the most powerful so why wouldnt i win. i know your gonna say because i'm not allowed to ride it in the ama series. but i could go to the tracks and cut better times?. come on scootertuner.
@iluvmx1977 I didn't say rider ability had nothing to do with it per say, but in this particular case. The CR rider is not good at all, the only thing he has on his side is more power. I am surprised either of them made it around the track at all though. Added to that the CR is ancient, not anywhere near the last model year. Average Lap times of the (A) 2004 CR500AFLE (B) 2004 CRF450R Donn Maeda (A)158.69 (B) 159.06, Mitchell Bailey (A) 153.44 (B) 155.12, Ryan Colley (A)149.03 (B) 153.78
@iluvmx1977 The guy riding the 500 is a terrible rider and the 450 guy isn't much btetter. To be honest, I am surprised either of them made it around with falling off.
@Scootertuner1000 we can agree on one thing, both these riders are very ordinary and amatuerish at best. i love two strokes and still wish they would have made current model 500cc motocross and road bikes (ahh the forgotten rgv and rz 500's). it is a pointless argument which is better, they stopped refining the two stroke years ago and R&D budgets for 2 strokes are nothing compared to 4. we can all dream about what could be and should be but sadly the 2 stroke is an endangered species.
@iluvmx1977 Sadly the 2 stroke is an endangered species, due to EPA and other similar regulations. But that said, even with years of extra development, 4 strokes still need a 100% capacity advantage to be able to beat a 2 stroke. CC for CC and lb for lb, the 2 strokes still win, even with years and years less development.
The problem with large 2 bangers like my 88 Yz490, is that they vibrate your fucking fililngs loose. Once the 2 strokes reach the 400-500 cc level, they vibrate alot because crankshaft precision becomes more critical in these motors. Since the factory does not do this (costs too much ) they give them to us as is, which pretty much sucks, but there is a fix , big bucks tho.
yall are retarded, its not the fact whether its a 2 stroke or 4 stroke, but it depends on the rider and the track, just shut up and let people ride what they want, i have a rm 250 and i love it but im tired of spending money on plugs and oil mix cause i dont use the cheap shit, so im gonna get rid of it and get a 4 stroke
@georgiaboy073 if there the same bikes racing and one of them wins thats cause of the rider not the bike but in this case its the bike and the cr500 owned the 450
Its all about driveability. To move a 250 2 stroke at racing level you need much more skill and fitness than to move a 450 at the same level.
A 250 2str. pulls your arms like shit. You have to be very skilled and fit to ride it really fast. A 500 2 str is almost undriveable in a full race distance. Even at Worldclass they moved down to 360. They had to race it full throttle for 45 minutes. If you get a arm pump with this beasts its getting really dangerous
dude ur dumb i love 2 strokes and i love 4 strokes but a large
bore 2 stroke like if they were 450 s wouldnt be as snapy because of the loss
of rpm because of the larger bore thats y 250 2 strokes race with the 450s because they are flate out quick thay have a decent bore and plenty of rpm but if they were so much faster than a 450 four stroke wich there not than every supercrosser out there would be racing 1 still but thats not the case when a stock 450 has around 50 hp lol come on guys
it takes a lot of skill to ride a 500 2 stroke. If you are not that good with it a 250 can smoke you or even a well riden 125 depending on the track. This lame track is not a 500 cc track. You never get a chance to even go through the gears. It sounded like the highest gear the 500 got in to was second. An good rider on a cr 80 could have smoked these guys.
they both kinda suck, the guy on the 450 has a much smoother bike to ride but is barely gaining on the 500 wich should happen, and the guy on the 500 is not using the bikes power at all, regardless of the fact that it's probaably a hard bike to control on that track, because that track looks like it sucks...
4 strokes are fucking noisy peices of shit and i wud buy 1 just set on fire...............fucking rubbish..............rm 250 is aproper bike....... sounds fucking sweet
2 strokes are making a comeback, the motocross magazines made such a big fuss about 4 strokes they took off (sales)
But now people are starting to come back around...I'm 46 and have a KDX 220r and would not trade any 4 stroke for it....lighter, more power/lb, and easy to tear down if need be, and my 220 cost half as much as a 450 4x....KTM has some awesome new 2x out this year.
But, to each his own, we all have our preferences.
@Richierich1285 500s have crazy power till half throttle and it flattens right off. sounds like they barely open up but when your ridin one it vibrates your nuts off lol
@malibuskiboats idk i have not been able to get my hands on one of the 500cc 2stroke bikes i have had the 500cc XL 4 stroke bikes an 600cc xr they were fast but my newer kx 250 could keep up with em in till the top end
crf450 whould tost a cr500 in a track but in a strait away cr500 kills the crf450 but it depends on the rider and who takes off first my cr 125 tosts my cusints yz250 and my little brother smokes a rm 125 on his kx85 it all depends if u are a good rider or if u take off first
2 strokes make more power,more power dont win races.remember the 80's? 250 2 strokes winning open classes,manufacturers de tuning their 500's to make them more competitive.in mx & enduro traction beats power every time, if you have 60hp youre probably gonna get smashed by someone with 50.anyone who thinks a CR500 would be competitive in pro motorcross today is kidding themselves.that said, the expense and unreliability of the modern 4 stroke is killing the sport.250/300 2 stroke for me thanks.
2 strokes! 2 cycles will ALWAYS be faster. It's just a mechanical FACT. They have more power to weight ratio and fire twice as fast. Thats why 250's race with 450's. Now, imagine you had an up to date, tuned, 450 powervalve 2 stroke! You would need a 7 or 800 4 stroke. That'd be just gay heavy. It's strictly an emmission thing. That's the only reason they switched. typical government taking away fun. And u can rebuild one in half the time and half the price! just makes sense, unless u trail ride
@flamesskullsslime I don't get it, All the pro's prefer the 4stroke, yet everyone at youtube who owns an 2 stroke says that 4 strokes suck and are less fun, thats not true at all.. I've ridden both, and the 4 stroke was way more fun, easier to handle, You don't really have to do the maintenece every day if your not pushing the bike to it's limit 3-4 hours a day.. Accept the future, 4strokes will dominate until the electic bikes gets more research. Then the electic bike will dominate the 4stroke
@megabauta23 Hey man, Never said 4 strokes suck at all. Just stating facts that a lot of people don't realize. If u have 2 of the same size motors and one is 2 stroke and one is 4 stroke, 2 will always have more punch, and be lighter, granted they both are good tuned running motors. Now in my book when it comes to racing and performance, your motor should be as fast and light as possible. If the government didnt shun them, they would still be using them. just like the last 40 years. Gov sucks
@megabauta23 also I should add I'm a quad and racing three wheeler guy so I understand having too much power for motocross could be an issue, for me, not the case. I use to ride quad open with a CT 350 Power valve. I used every bit of it. I now run just for fun a ATC 250r trike with a CT 350PV! Lets just say I cant get enough and havent found a modded 450r 4stroke to beat me yet. just telling the truth man. not saying one out there couldnt, just saying, An above average 450 wont ever beat it.
@flamesskullsslime Still, the newer 450's has about the same power as the old cr 500. The 500 would have more power if they kept researching on 2 stroke engines, but they had to change to 4 stroke as you said, so 2 stroke won't always be faster, not what it looks like today anyways. I mean, 4 stroke engines are pretty much getting 0.50 more Torque every year, They got about the same torque as the 500 2 stroke now, and it's still way easier to handle due to it's power is more spread across.
@megabauta23 Its true. Millions...yes millions are being invested to pump up the 4 strokes, so that they may rid the world of 2 strokes. I know it sounds kinda cheesy, but it's true. I've known people who've literally changed the whole geomatry of the gear ratio's in cr500's. And those people have achieved over 78hp from the motor, on pump gas!
@flamesskullsslime its not whats faster some people can ride a 450 and smoke anyone on a 250 BUT theres also people who can ride a 250 and smoke anyone on a 450. Its all about the rider and his ability. Sure a 2-Stroke is a lot faster but what good is flat out speed on a race track to high bottom end torque and good control? (Im not taking sides but i am a soon to be 2-stroke :) im just tired of my 4-Stroke)
@flamesskullsslime Exactly, I can't stand people who still argue, its just a fact. This guy just can't ride the cr. Otherwise case would be closed in no time.
@flamesskullsslime False about emissions. That has been a very big myth with the whole switch to 4 strokes. Also 250 2 strokes are against 250 4 strokes at the AMA amateur level as of 2008.
@ggggddddhhhh Theres a obvious reason my comment has 30 likes. Sum people are missing my POINT. It's just a mechanical FACT about H.P, Just understand people, whatever you do to a 4 stroke, if you have an equivalent 2 stroke thats equally pumped up, it will make more power with less weight! not saying that all that power will be used on the track, but its a fact. simple, thats all im saying, and the fact that 4 strokes take 4 times the effort and money to rebuild. racing should be fast n light.
@flamesskullsslime this is true. i started riding a two stroke and i get where your comin from but it all if your willin to put the money into it really. but two strokes are pretty fun i must say
@ggggddddhhhh You cant stand 2 strokes because you dont have the balls it takes to ride one... That guy on the cr500 was riding a monster!! if yo ever "TRIED" to ride one you would understand why he looked liked he just tamed a wild beast at the end. 2 strokes all the way baby! grow a pair and ride a real bike.
@ggggddddhhhh You cant stand 2 strokes because you dont have the balls it takes to ride one... That guy on the cr500 was riding a monster!! if you ever "TRIED" to ride one you would understand why he looked liked he just tamed a wild beast at the end. 2 strokes all the way baby! grow a pair and ride a real bike.
500 vs a 450...... look at the numbers. why do people act like a 450 has a chance... 450's race with 250 2 strokes.....come on 500 riders you know.....
@stonetrans i got an 87 500 and just got a 03 crf 450 love them both and they are two completely different bikes. 450 has crazy power but 500 is still boss
@Spitfire12345678 how do they suck? Cuz you dont have one? I used to think the same thing when i had my 4 joke(4 stroke) but when i got a 2 stroke it changed my life. I went from depressed to one happy mother fucker, and yes 2 strokes are capable of that.
@Spitfire12345678 nostalgical aspect.. most people start on a 2 stroke and stay addict to it.. they don't want to say that 4 stroke are now powerfull as hell but it is..
@bmxty82 yeah, yeah keep talking, maybe you are the better rider? 4 stroke have more NM and better goes on low rpm, 2 stroke is fucking shit in my opinion.
@Artizz260 mabey cause you dont no how to ride 1...there way lighter and way faster.....engine of a 2 stroke is way smaller and puts out twice the power.....4 strokes are good but not as fast ..they just last longer....do you even no what 2 stroke means.....if you did...you would no that it would beat the other bike..
@bmxty82 it's true the 2 stroke has better acceleration he is lighter and faster on the corners, but not for long at longer distance 4 stroke very fast catches up the 2 stroke bike and 4 stroke has much higher top speed. i had riden a lot of the 2 stroke and 4 stroke bikes.
@Artizz260 Have you a ridden a 500 cc 2 stroke? Top speed just depends on gearing. That Cr500 is bigger in displacement AND it's a 2 stroke. Theres no way a 450 4 stroke can hang with it as far as only power is concerned.
@JerronHonda uhh yeahh correct me if im wrong but its been kawi and suzuki on top most of the season other than milsaps win. so one or two honda wins this year? so yea... the can be caught.... pasted... and smoked
@bamaboy145 Maybe u didnt got me what i mean..I mean that you cant catch a Crf/yzf/rmz or so coz they are better for a track and this coming from Brakes, Susp etc and smoother on the ground.I dont know the word in english to explain xD cheers
Lol thats true,rider on cr500 is 2 pussy 2 give it full throttle,ive own 2 crf450s in the past and ridden a kx500 recently on trail and power on that fuckn thing is ruthless,450s power in my opinion is shit lol!
a 2 stroke 500 suck ass ... did the piston have a hole melted in the top with no rings on it cauz the cr500 i drove was balls off the wall retarted!!!!
i had a CR480, cant recall if it was the last year they came out..but that sucker wasnt meant for the woods in Connecticut.!! hardly got it out of second gear unless i was on old railroad track beds or the road.
@athlonrider I have a YZ 490 that will run on anything you put her up against. 500cc is the way to go buddy. Once you get one, your riding friends will drool at the thought of riding your bike. The 500 big bores are like gods in the mx world. So yes, you should do more than ride one in your life..you should own one...come to texas and ill let u ride mine..."maybe" hahahahaah
4 strokes are much easyer to ride m8, in every turn they handle just like you want them to, so they really are pussy bikes, guys who ride at 2 strokes really need to lean into it and help the bike so at a 2 stroke you can really learn how to drive, i got more respect for guys at 2 strokes than guys at 4 strokes becuz they really stear theyr'e bike instead of the bike stearing them 2 stroke 4 ever!
wow..... i sooooo miss the 2 strokes!!,... the good ol days when all you could smell at the track was premix,.. and only hear that scream!!!.... screw you emission laws if it wasnt for the laws 2 strokes would still be all thats ridden
Emission laws didn't kill the 2strokes the manufacturers did. If that were true yamaha, husky, ktm, and others woudn't still be making 2 strokes. Both rule, I have both and always enjoy going back to the smoker
the 2 stroke is a more power efficient motor they were forced to switch to a motor that makes less power, and has more moving parts to repair not because they wanted too but because you can burn oil that way and pass emission control laws in some places
you do realize that ktm and huskavarna are europe bikes which is why they still make them yamahas stopped on 07 just like honda because of tree hugging faggets in the U.S
Yeah I miss two strokes as well... Evanrude has done a good job on their two stroke boat engines...as well as KTM with their new two strokes... A two stroke will rip a 4 stroke of the same size and bigger a new anus... I remember going to the track and smelling that premix in the air, screaming two strokes, the way their powerbands kick in....absolutely NOTHING like it. I have an 83 Honda CR500 and my buddies that I ride with practically look at my bike like its a god. could be :)
@TaNgLeD2121 i disagree. sorry, haha but i think people have chosen four strokes over 2 strokes. cause 2 strokes are still bein produced. it would help if every company still made 2 strokes but still
@RIDEHARDable in the majority of the states, 2-strokes cannot meet emission laws, some smaller 2 strokes are exempt from the law like chainsaws and weed eaters, but each to there own, if you grew up on a 4 banger your probably going to prefer them there still kick ass bike....peace
@TaNgLeD2121 Actually if 2 stroke was alive, a 2stroke 1000cc, would eat a fuckin truck full of gas in a damn month....
With a KW. ninja 630cc, i cant even go to the city with 10€, which is like ~30 km from here, and the minimum salary here is 500€, with a 2 stroke bike, u wouldnt be able to ride it for more than a week...
Anyway i prefer the sound of the 4stroke engine, like KTM 525...
For me 2strk is good for 50cc and 125cc only, and it should never die, but for big engines is better 4strk
@TaNgLeD2121 actually they are makin fuel enjected 2 strokes now so 2 strokes will make a come back when ama runs out of reasons to not race 2 strokes.
@TaNgLeD2121 yeah i know i remeber back when it took a 250 4stroke just to out run a 125 2 stroke an the 250 2 strokes was faster then the 450 4 strokes but now the fucking government an there so called global warming crap
both riders/riders bikes suck.
swifferkillsdogs 1 month ago
4 strokes are better by miles also...2 strokes sound like there gonna explode lol
byrnenick73 3 months ago in playlist 2 stroke vs 4 stroke
a CR450 F Would smoke any of the bikes yous have mentioned"scrambeller aka dirt bike" fact...
byrnenick73 3 months ago in playlist 2 stroke vs 4 stroke
wow!!!! those jumps are INSANE!!!!!!!!!!
ajlukelepuke 6 months ago
Having raced a CR 500 I can honestly tell you it takes a whole lot of effort to ride one on a tight track, but given the right "open" style track they are hands down the best experience you will ever have. 500's are a little picky on the type of dirt ridden in. They have a harder time hooking up cause the power gets delivered more immediately. I have ridden the 450's also but they are not as exciting to ride. They are good bikes, don't get me wrong. They are just easier to ride for more people.
myldmnrd 7 months ago
ok this isnt a fair contest lol theyre both goons
gofast179 8 months ago 2
anyone else think these guys had too much power for their skill level
robbynewberry 8 months ago
@robbynewberry I think so, ..or maybe the track is too small for those horses.
TheGentleman4u 8 months ago
My bad lolz. I just txted him and its a Ninja 500r
LAXman1496 9 months ago
its funny you say that because my friend's ninja 250 goes about 130 mph. Its called ignorance asshole.
LAXman1496 9 months ago
@LAXman1496 Um, almost anything will do 130mph if you put a big enough sproket on the back...its all about gearing!
PhatArtz 6 months ago
@PhatArtz you mean a small enough sprocket???
mruniguy 6 months ago
@mruniguy lol, yes, sorry, a small enough sprocket, lol!
PhatArtz 6 months ago
That's funny you say that because street bikes are 4 strokes and are much faster. It might have to do with the extra cylinders but still. A ninja 250 will smoke a cr, rm, or kx 500. Not on the dirt of course ;)
LAXman1496 9 months ago
@LAXman1496 a ninja 250 is much slower than the other bikes you mentioned
faster than a kx 500??????????????
its called ignorance
ciaremfe 9 months ago
i have rode a cr 500, and a 450, and the 500 is a fucking beast. the 450s now are pretty good because they rev faster, and they would have a little more torque, but it cant compare to the raw power that a 2 stroke 500 creates.
Vagitarion 9 months ago
@Vagitarion A 450 4 stroke does NOT have as much torque as a 500 2 stroke. It's purely the way they function, 2 stokes have a power stroke(which means torque), TWICE as often as a 4 stoke. Read up on the difference between the 2 engines on that new thing called the internet. Its got twice as much torque as a fax.
floyn1 9 months ago
@floyn1 no. you are a dipshit. get on some bikes and ride them before you deem yourself a specialist.
Vagitarion 9 months ago
@Vagitarion Why would I watch this video and comment if I didn't ride bikes? I currently ride a KTM 300 exc, and have owned a YZ450, KTM 450, YZ250, CR250, KX250 and KDX200.
I have ridden a CR500 plenty of times, both motocross and trail and can tell you that aside from the technical reasons already mentioned, it wallops a 450 in both power and torque.
I think this makes you the dipshit. Why don't you at least try and learn the technical side of the argument, hang on you probably can't read.
floyn1 9 months ago
@floyn1 if i cant read than i couldn't write, another weak argue point on your part. you have proven your stupidity and fucktardedness, you may now cease.
Vagitarion 9 months ago
@Vagitarion Hey shitfuck, a 250 2 stroke has more torque than a 250 4 stroke.
Get2stroked 8 months ago
I own both a 2 stroke(94 cr250) and a few 4 strokes(XL250, XR500) and all i can say is this: 2 strokes dominate tracks. They are far more responsive and like to be revved out. 4 strokes make better trail bikes, less jumpy on the throttle, and are more suited for low end. my CR is fun on a track but sometimes you just want to enjoy a nice trail ride, and thats hard to do when the bike is trying to redline and leave you on your ass everytime you twist the throttle.
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MotoMChaps 11 months ago
it all depends on the rider guys
jduvall1971 1 year ago
the 450 is and always will be a faster track bike, better handling and transfer of power to the ground. saying that if you get a 500 on an open road or track were speeds over 120kph are needed then the 500 will make the 450 look stupid. its very hard to use the power of a 500 2 stroke on tight and technical tracks. transfering it smoothly to the ground takes alot of practice and skill. i think that rider ability has more to do with the 500 beating the 450 on this track.
iluvmx1977 1 year ago
@iluvmx1977 Learn on a 2 stroke and you can ride anything. Every time I get on a 4 stroke I think how effing boring. I love 2 strokes for their all of nothing power. If you know how to ride a 2 stroke it will beat a 4 stroke anywhere, 250vs250 or 450 vs 500 etc. Two bike of the same size one a 4 stroke and one a 2, the 2 stroke wins every time hands down. The only time it doesn't win is if the rider of the 2 stroke learned to ride on a 4 stroke. Real men ride 2 strokes.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 i know where your coming from but disagree. the comment i made concerned the cr500 and crf450 and related only to the video here in question. its not a two v four stroke debate. i have owned many 500s and 450s. i ride both 4 and 2 strokes and love dirtbikes fullstop. if your argument was correct then it would make the new maico 700 two stroke the fastest dirt bike of all time. in theory yes but applying the power to the ground is a different matter. thankyou for your opinion.
iluvmx1977 1 year ago
@iluvmx1977 You're free to disagree, however in a race between a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke of equal capacity the 2 stroke will always win. That is why 4 strokes need an almost 100% capacity advantage to be competative. For example a CR250 would put out about 45ish HP whereas a CRF250 33ish hp, the 2 stroke is lighter and produces more power it wins hands down. That is why the the 4 stroke mfgs want the 100% capacity advantage over the 2 strokes. The Maico 685 is 80hp and 101kg (202lbs)
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@iluvmx1977 Up till now the Maico/ATK 685/700 (which has been around for several years now in one form or another has mostly been used for desert racing. It is without doubt the fastest dirt bike of all time unless you are talking about 1200cc Dakar Rally type bikes. There is as far as I know no motocross class for it to race in. Further more it is not really an MX bike anyway. It's more of an all rounder even having the capability of bolting lights on and hooking them up.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@iluvmx1977 Oh and rider ability has nothing to do with the 500 beating the 450 on this track. From what I can see the 500 rider isn't even as good as the 450 rider. what he does have is around 60hp compared to 44ish of the 450
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 thankyou for your facts and figures. very educational, i never argued with your power stats, simply that the cr 500 is a dated design with old geometry (the 500af may be different) therefore has handling flaws compared to newer designs, also the engine is crude and raw and very hard to ride fast on tecnical tracks and requires a highly skilled rider to get the most out of. two stroke engine faster and more hp? of course. cr500 faster than a 450f on tight mx track? never.
iluvmx1977 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 if rider ability has nothing to do with it then why wouldnt i be able to beat everyone in the ama with nothing more than a cr 500 with a pro circuit pipe and boysen reeds, my bike would be the most powerful so why wouldnt i win. i know your gonna say because i'm not allowed to ride it in the ama series. but i could go to the tracks and cut better times?. come on scootertuner.
iluvmx1977 1 year ago
@iluvmx1977 I didn't say rider ability had nothing to do with it per say, but in this particular case. The CR rider is not good at all, the only thing he has on his side is more power. I am surprised either of them made it around the track at all though. Added to that the CR is ancient, not anywhere near the last model year. Average Lap times of the (A) 2004 CR500AFLE (B) 2004 CRF450R Donn Maeda (A)158.69 (B) 159.06, Mitchell Bailey (A) 153.44 (B) 155.12, Ryan Colley (A)149.03 (B) 153.78
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@iluvmx1977 The guy riding the 500 is a terrible rider and the 450 guy isn't much btetter. To be honest, I am surprised either of them made it around with falling off.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 we can agree on one thing, both these riders are very ordinary and amatuerish at best. i love two strokes and still wish they would have made current model 500cc motocross and road bikes (ahh the forgotten rgv and rz 500's). it is a pointless argument which is better, they stopped refining the two stroke years ago and R&D budgets for 2 strokes are nothing compared to 4. we can all dream about what could be and should be but sadly the 2 stroke is an endangered species.
iluvmx1977 1 year ago
@iluvmx1977 Sadly the 2 stroke is an endangered species, due to EPA and other similar regulations. But that said, even with years of extra development, 4 strokes still need a 100% capacity advantage to be able to beat a 2 stroke. CC for CC and lb for lb, the 2 strokes still win, even with years and years less development.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago 9
The problem with large 2 bangers like my 88 Yz490, is that they vibrate your fucking fililngs loose. Once the 2 strokes reach the 400-500 cc level, they vibrate alot because crankshaft precision becomes more critical in these motors. Since the factory does not do this (costs too much ) they give them to us as is, which pretty much sucks, but there is a fix , big bucks tho.
DavidGilmourRox 1 year ago
i could beat these two riders on my 50cc ped never mind a cr500!
19xBRADx93 1 year ago
the kid on the 450 cant ride for shit... either can the kid on the 500
tallred7 1 year ago
I take both of you on my 125! Keep practicing though.
sfyamaha21 1 year ago
450 on a track 500 everthing else.
USCisgay 1 year ago
yall are retarded, its not the fact whether its a 2 stroke or 4 stroke, but it depends on the rider and the track, just shut up and let people ride what they want, i have a rm 250 and i love it but im tired of spending money on plugs and oil mix cause i dont use the cheap shit, so im gonna get rid of it and get a 4 stroke
georgiaboy073 1 year ago
@georgiaboy073 if there the same bikes racing and one of them wins thats cause of the rider not the bike but in this case its the bike and the cr500 owned the 450
pazzyKTM9 1 year ago
2-stroke vs 4 stroke... all bullshit
Its all about driveability. To move a 250 2 stroke at racing level you need much more skill and fitness than to move a 450 at the same level.
A 250 2str. pulls your arms like shit. You have to be very skilled and fit to ride it really fast. A 500 2 str is almost undriveable in a full race distance. Even at Worldclass they moved down to 360. They had to race it full throttle for 45 minutes. If you get a arm pump with this beasts its getting really dangerous
bimmer666 1 year ago
thats for flamessckulls lol
vaughnmx43 1 year ago
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thats for flamesskullsslime hes not to bright
vaughnmx43 1 year ago
dude ur dumb i love 2 strokes and i love 4 strokes but a large
bore 2 stroke like if they were 450 s wouldnt be as snapy because of the loss
of rpm because of the larger bore thats y 250 2 strokes race with the 450s because they are flate out quick thay have a decent bore and plenty of rpm but if they were so much faster than a 450 four stroke wich there not than every supercrosser out there would be racing 1 still but thats not the case when a stock 450 has around 50 hp lol come on guys
vaughnmx43 1 year ago
@vaughnmx43 thats exactly what i've been saying man..because I drag Race a CRF450R...
tappmoney18 1 year ago
it takes a lot of skill to ride a 500 2 stroke. If you are not that good with it a 250 can smoke you or even a well riden 125 depending on the track. This lame track is not a 500 cc track. You never get a chance to even go through the gears. It sounded like the highest gear the 500 got in to was second. An good rider on a cr 80 could have smoked these guys.
aramhampson 1 year ago 16
@aramhampson I remember a decade or so ago @ road Atlanta when a 1400cc turbo busa came in 2nd to a 250cc 2stroke!!
But an 80 don't even have the power to give a case of arm pump.
cheerdiver 1 year ago
them some big bikes
AloganRidingCo 1 year ago
I'd love to buy a newer KX 500. Heck, CR 500 would be just as sweet!
JakeEwing5 1 year ago
love my 500, i sold my banshee because it wasnt even close to being as powerful.
malibuskiboats 1 year ago
My uncle has got a custom made cr 500 and it tears everything apart
CJ3514 1 year ago
they both kinda suck, the guy on the 450 has a much smoother bike to ride but is barely gaining on the 500 wich should happen, and the guy on the 500 is not using the bikes power at all, regardless of the fact that it's probaably a hard bike to control on that track, because that track looks like it sucks...
jasoncruz110011 1 year ago
4 strokes are fucking noisy peices of shit and i wud buy 1 just set on fire...............fucking rubbish..............rm 250 is aproper bike....... sounds fucking sweet
gemmahardman11121984 1 year ago
che figataaaaaaaaaaaa
spilu91 1 year ago
2 strokes are making a comeback, the motocross magazines made such a big fuss about 4 strokes they took off (sales)
But now people are starting to come back around...I'm 46 and have a KDX 220r and would not trade any 4 stroke for it....lighter, more power/lb, and easy to tear down if need be, and my 220 cost half as much as a 450 4x....KTM has some awesome new 2x out this year.
But, to each his own, we all have our preferences.
paulfultz41 1 year ago
the guy on the 500 sucks i only heard em open the power band once or twice
Richierich1285 1 year ago
@Richierich1285 500s have crazy power till half throttle and it flattens right off. sounds like they barely open up but when your ridin one it vibrates your nuts off lol
malibuskiboats 1 year ago
@malibuskiboats idk i have not been able to get my hands on one of the 500cc 2stroke bikes i have had the 500cc XL 4 stroke bikes an 600cc xr they were fast but my newer kx 250 could keep up with em in till the top end
Richierich1285 1 year ago
now remove the spodes from the bikes and then it gets interesting.
bonspeeds 1 year ago
awesome riding skills........
..not !
bimmer666 1 year ago
500's arent made for a track
moliere15 1 year ago
crf450 whould tost a cr500 in a track but in a strait away cr500 kills the crf450 but it depends on the rider and who takes off first my cr 125 tosts my cusints yz250 and my little brother smokes a rm 125 on his kx85 it all depends if u are a good rider or if u take off first
big250rmz 1 year ago
no offence but you could really use some good jumps instead of little speed bumps
johndevinaspre676 1 year ago
DRAG RACE NOW!!
northernwelder 1 year ago
yep cant beat the two strokes
bansheebrad1982 1 year ago
@bansheebrad1982 um two strokes r beat all the time wat bout js on that yamaha 450 four stroke
TheSpencer35 1 year ago
@TheSpencer35 450 are boring and sound like crap 2 strokes get my dick hard such a beautiful sound screaming its tits off
bansheebrad1982 1 year ago
the 500 would spit rocks at that old 4 banger.
ImAfraidOfClowns 1 year ago
2 strokes make more power,more power dont win races.remember the 80's? 250 2 strokes winning open classes,manufacturers de tuning their 500's to make them more competitive.in mx & enduro traction beats power every time, if you have 60hp youre probably gonna get smashed by someone with 50.anyone who thinks a CR500 would be competitive in pro motorcross today is kidding themselves.that said, the expense and unreliability of the modern 4 stroke is killing the sport.250/300 2 stroke for me thanks.
ibewillow 1 year ago
2 strokes! 2 cycles will ALWAYS be faster. It's just a mechanical FACT. They have more power to weight ratio and fire twice as fast. Thats why 250's race with 450's. Now, imagine you had an up to date, tuned, 450 powervalve 2 stroke! You would need a 7 or 800 4 stroke. That'd be just gay heavy. It's strictly an emmission thing. That's the only reason they switched. typical government taking away fun. And u can rebuild one in half the time and half the price! just makes sense, unless u trail ride
flamesskullsslime 1 year ago 34
@flamesskullsslime I don't get it, All the pro's prefer the 4stroke, yet everyone at youtube who owns an 2 stroke says that 4 strokes suck and are less fun, thats not true at all.. I've ridden both, and the 4 stroke was way more fun, easier to handle, You don't really have to do the maintenece every day if your not pushing the bike to it's limit 3-4 hours a day.. Accept the future, 4strokes will dominate until the electic bikes gets more research. Then the electic bike will dominate the 4stroke
megabauta23 1 year ago
@megabauta23 Hey man, Never said 4 strokes suck at all. Just stating facts that a lot of people don't realize. If u have 2 of the same size motors and one is 2 stroke and one is 4 stroke, 2 will always have more punch, and be lighter, granted they both are good tuned running motors. Now in my book when it comes to racing and performance, your motor should be as fast and light as possible. If the government didnt shun them, they would still be using them. just like the last 40 years. Gov sucks
flamesskullsslime 1 year ago
@megabauta23 also I should add I'm a quad and racing three wheeler guy so I understand having too much power for motocross could be an issue, for me, not the case. I use to ride quad open with a CT 350 Power valve. I used every bit of it. I now run just for fun a ATC 250r trike with a CT 350PV! Lets just say I cant get enough and havent found a modded 450r 4stroke to beat me yet. just telling the truth man. not saying one out there couldnt, just saying, An above average 450 wont ever beat it.
flamesskullsslime 1 year ago
@flamesskullsslime Still, the newer 450's has about the same power as the old cr 500. The 500 would have more power if they kept researching on 2 stroke engines, but they had to change to 4 stroke as you said, so 2 stroke won't always be faster, not what it looks like today anyways. I mean, 4 stroke engines are pretty much getting 0.50 more Torque every year, They got about the same torque as the 500 2 stroke now, and it's still way easier to handle due to it's power is more spread across.
megabauta23 1 year ago
@megabauta23 Its true. Millions...yes millions are being invested to pump up the 4 strokes, so that they may rid the world of 2 strokes. I know it sounds kinda cheesy, but it's true. I've known people who've literally changed the whole geomatry of the gear ratio's in cr500's. And those people have achieved over 78hp from the motor, on pump gas!
jdog942 1 year ago
@flamesskullsslime its not whats faster some people can ride a 450 and smoke anyone on a 250 BUT theres also people who can ride a 250 and smoke anyone on a 450. Its all about the rider and his ability. Sure a 2-Stroke is a lot faster but what good is flat out speed on a race track to high bottom end torque and good control? (Im not taking sides but i am a soon to be 2-stroke :) im just tired of my 4-Stroke)
Blakey6678 1 year ago
@flamesskullsslime Exactly, I can't stand people who still argue, its just a fact. This guy just can't ride the cr. Otherwise case would be closed in no time.
FlingTM 1 year ago
@flamesskullsslime all about the rider.
FEZZYPOWNS 1 year ago
@flamesskullsslime False about emissions. That has been a very big myth with the whole switch to 4 strokes. Also 250 2 strokes are against 250 4 strokes at the AMA amateur level as of 2008.
250rider1 1 year ago
@flamesskullsslime im racing this summer and personally cant stand two strokes 4 strokes are ground ripping power
ggggddddhhhh 11 months ago
@ggggddddhhhh Theres a obvious reason my comment has 30 likes. Sum people are missing my POINT. It's just a mechanical FACT about H.P, Just understand people, whatever you do to a 4 stroke, if you have an equivalent 2 stroke thats equally pumped up, it will make more power with less weight! not saying that all that power will be used on the track, but its a fact. simple, thats all im saying, and the fact that 4 strokes take 4 times the effort and money to rebuild. racing should be fast n light.
flamesskullsslime 11 months ago
@flamesskullsslime this is true. i started riding a two stroke and i get where your comin from but it all if your willin to put the money into it really. but two strokes are pretty fun i must say
ggggddddhhhh 10 months ago
@ggggddddhhhh You cant stand 2 strokes because you dont have the balls it takes to ride one... That guy on the cr500 was riding a monster!! if yo ever "TRIED" to ride one you would understand why he looked liked he just tamed a wild beast at the end. 2 strokes all the way baby! grow a pair and ride a real bike.
turbos6x 9 months ago
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@ggggddddhhhh You cant stand 2 strokes because you dont have the balls it takes to ride one... That guy on the cr500 was riding a monster!! if you ever "TRIED" to ride one you would understand why he looked liked he just tamed a wild beast at the end. 2 strokes all the way baby! grow a pair and ride a real bike.
turbos6x 9 months ago
@flamesskullsslime but you have to integrate oil and rebuild alot more often
UNENCUMBERED1 10 months ago
500 vs a 450...... look at the numbers. why do people act like a 450 has a chance... 450's race with 250 2 strokes.....come on 500 riders you know.....
stonetrans 1 year ago
@stonetrans its a 500 2 strokes btw lol
Belvadeeer 1 year ago
@stonetrans i got an 87 500 and just got a 03 crf 450 love them both and they are two completely different bikes. 450 has crazy power but 500 is still boss
malibuskiboats 1 year ago
why do people like 2 strokes so much? they suck
Spitfire12345678 1 year ago
@Spitfire12345678 i agree
sifuwould 1 year ago
@Spitfire12345678 how do they suck? Cuz you dont have one? I used to think the same thing when i had my 4 joke(4 stroke) but when i got a 2 stroke it changed my life. I went from depressed to one happy mother fucker, and yes 2 strokes are capable of that.
02hondacr125 1 year ago
@Spitfire12345678 nostalgical aspect.. most people start on a 2 stroke and stay addict to it.. they don't want to say that 4 stroke are now powerfull as hell but it is..
blackex440 1 year ago
@blackex440 do u kno why fucking triple cylinder banshees never race 4 stroke hyabusas? because they can beat the shit out of them dickhead.
Mrgmail15 1 year ago
@Spitfire12345678 u just think that kuz u cant handle the power haha
Belvadeeer 1 year ago
@Spitfire12345678 cause they are fuckin fast
malibuskiboats 1 year ago
@malibuskiboats then why does everyone race with 4 strokes now?
Spitfire12345678 1 year ago
@Spitfire12345678 all the emissions crap
malibuskiboats 1 year ago
that 500 is old as hell i bet is 92
paneksshops 1 year ago
@paneksshops
Old but capable of ripping these new wannabe's new assholes
scott93257 1 year ago
2 stroke
hondaxr70rider 1 year ago
neither one can ride
mara12331 1 year ago
Logico que la Cr500 le pasa el trapo, ;) 2t a full
fedeSvideos 1 year ago
cr500 would have beat him badly if there was a better rider
bmxty82 1 year ago
@bmxty82 yeah, yeah keep talking, maybe you are the better rider? 4 stroke have more NM and better goes on low rpm, 2 stroke is fucking shit in my opinion.
Artizz260 1 year ago
@Artizz260 mabey cause you dont no how to ride 1...there way lighter and way faster.....engine of a 2 stroke is way smaller and puts out twice the power.....4 strokes are good but not as fast ..they just last longer....do you even no what 2 stroke means.....if you did...you would no that it would beat the other bike..
bmxty82 1 year ago
@bmxty82 it's true the 2 stroke has better acceleration he is lighter and faster on the corners, but not for long at longer distance 4 stroke very fast catches up the 2 stroke bike and 4 stroke has much higher top speed. i had riden a lot of the 2 stroke and 4 stroke bikes.
Artizz260 1 year ago
@Artizz260 Have you a ridden a 500 cc 2 stroke? Top speed just depends on gearing. That Cr500 is bigger in displacement AND it's a 2 stroke. Theres no way a 450 4 stroke can hang with it as far as only power is concerned.
KyleP133 1 year ago
i could probly keep up on my cr250 as long as you can put the power down, screamin , my freinds 150 was quicker than my 250 but slower on the top end
primomachino 1 year ago
500 pulls away out of turns
fredrickson09 1 year ago
You cant catch a CRF450 on the track even with cr500..
JerronHonda 1 year ago
@JerronHonda he just did... and yea have you been watchin supercross this year???
bamaboy145 1 year ago
@bamaboy145 No lately but i dont think so cr can catch crf450 on a track..Thats all, u think im wrong?
JerronHonda 1 year ago
@JerronHonda uhh yeahh correct me if im wrong but its been kawi and suzuki on top most of the season other than milsaps win. so one or two honda wins this year? so yea... the can be caught.... pasted... and smoked
bamaboy145 1 year ago
@bamaboy145 passed*
bamaboy145 1 year ago
@bamaboy145 it would be bubba on the yz450f but he just had to get injured.
jrcougars54 1 year ago
@bamaboy145 Dude On the fucking track you cant catch the CRF/yzf or wtf
JerronHonda 1 year ago
@JerronHonda yea those bikes are fast... bt not that fast. any bike can be caught. its mostly the rider any ways
bamaboy145 1 year ago
@bamaboy145 Maybe u didnt got me what i mean..I mean that you cant catch a Crf/yzf/rmz or so coz they are better for a track and this coming from Brakes, Susp etc and smoother on the ground.I dont know the word in english to explain xD cheers
JerronHonda 1 year ago
@JerronHonda ohh ok sorry
bamaboy145 1 year ago
@bamaboy145 Depends on the driver matey..Anyway i dont care =)
JerronHonda 1 year ago
Two strokes will ALWAYS out accelerate four strokes, period.
Real men get the job done in 2 strokes...
bigcamracing 1 year ago
@bigcamracing lol i love em too, bt dont you want it to take a lil longer than just two?
bamaboy145 1 year ago
Haven't met a 450 yet that can outrun my 5hundy.
Have met plenty of 450 riders that can outride me.....but none that can win a drag race.
masonc07 1 year ago
it does, 4 strokes are much easyer to drive in the turns becuz they got much more power
soo..
harm1995devries 2 years ago
cr500 are shit
conrad573 2 years ago
@conrad573 you are shit.
the CR500 is the craziest dirtbike there is. they are like tanks
xox945 2 years ago
they aint that crazy i have rode 1 before they suck ass
conrad573 2 years ago
must have rode a niggers cr500 cause the ones i have ridden have blown my mind
bagobones0513 2 years ago
Lol thats true,rider on cr500 is 2 pussy 2 give it full throttle,ive own 2 crf450s in the past and ridden a kx500 recently on trail and power on that fuckn thing is ruthless,450s power in my opinion is shit lol!
herse88 1 year ago
a 2 stroke 500 suck ass ... did the piston have a hole melted in the top with no rings on it cauz the cr500 i drove was balls off the wall retarted!!!!
bradlee101 1 year ago
lol give me the impression u have neva riddn 1!
herse88 1 year ago
Pinning a CR500, one of 2 things will happen. You'll either smell shit or see God. The CR500 is the half liter 450 eater, plain and simple.
Fistfullofthrotl718 1 year ago 2
i want to ride a cr500 sometime in my life
athlonrider 1 year ago
i had a CR480, cant recall if it was the last year they came out..but that sucker wasnt meant for the woods in Connecticut.!! hardly got it out of second gear unless i was on old railroad track beds or the road.
custardpie40 1 year ago
@athlonrider I have a YZ 490 that will run on anything you put her up against. 500cc is the way to go buddy. Once you get one, your riding friends will drool at the thought of riding your bike. The 500 big bores are like gods in the mx world. So yes, you should do more than ride one in your life..you should own one...come to texas and ill let u ride mine..."maybe" hahahahaah
AntBanks2626 1 year ago
4 strokes are much easyer to ride m8, in every turn they handle just like you want them to, so they really are pussy bikes, guys who ride at 2 strokes really need to lean into it and help the bike so at a 2 stroke you can really learn how to drive, i got more respect for guys at 2 strokes than guys at 4 strokes becuz they really stear theyr'e bike instead of the bike stearing them 2 stroke 4 ever!
harm1995devries 2 years ago
you make no sense 2 strokes are lighter so their easier to manuever... think before you speek
RoBtHeQuAdEr 2 years ago
the 500 would smash the 450 by miles but he is a shit rider
rhobbs54 2 years ago
I have both bikes and Love them there both awesome but if you want to make Real power for a hillclimber or sand drag 500 all the way
outlawed4sur 2 years ago
relly cause it a tight track who has the biggest balls and can open it up
newzelandroxs 2 years ago
500s rule 4 strokes for are for women they ride them in upstate haha
manitourow 2 years ago 3
haha yea right
motorcross26 2 years ago
500 2 smoke will eat 4 banger all day
wingking077 2 years ago 5
wow..... i sooooo miss the 2 strokes!!,... the good ol days when all you could smell at the track was premix,.. and only hear that scream!!!.... screw you emission laws if it wasnt for the laws 2 strokes would still be all thats ridden
TaNgLeD2121 2 years ago 21
Emission laws didn't kill the 2strokes the manufacturers did. If that were true yamaha, husky, ktm, and others woudn't still be making 2 strokes. Both rule, I have both and always enjoy going back to the smoker
KatWax25 2 years ago
the 2 stroke is a more power efficient motor they were forced to switch to a motor that makes less power, and has more moving parts to repair not because they wanted too but because you can burn oil that way and pass emission control laws in some places
TaNgLeD2121 2 years ago
@KatWax25 dude are you 4real Emission laws did evrybody knows that they only make bikes 125cc less 2 stroke cuz it puts out less.
AustinC5570 2 years ago
you do realize that ktm and huskavarna are europe bikes which is why they still make them yamahas stopped on 07 just like honda because of tree hugging faggets in the U.S
outlawed4sur 2 years ago
yamaha stopped making them in 08
RoBtHeQuAdEr 2 years ago
@TaNgLeD2121
Yeah I miss two strokes as well... Evanrude has done a good job on their two stroke boat engines...as well as KTM with their new two strokes... A two stroke will rip a 4 stroke of the same size and bigger a new anus... I remember going to the track and smelling that premix in the air, screaming two strokes, the way their powerbands kick in....absolutely NOTHING like it. I have an 83 Honda CR500 and my buddies that I ride with practically look at my bike like its a god. could be :)
scott93257 1 year ago
@scott93257 all 5 hunny's are gods, ridden by few, and tamed by none.
alwzridered 1 year ago
@alwzridered
Amen to that :)
scott93257 1 year ago
@TaNgLeD2121 ah, destroying your lungs, brain cells AND ear drums. gotta love 2 strokes eh?? /sarcasm.
Coryf1989 1 year ago
@TaNgLeD2121 i disagree. sorry, haha but i think people have chosen four strokes over 2 strokes. cause 2 strokes are still bein produced. it would help if every company still made 2 strokes but still
RIDEHARDable 1 year ago
@RIDEHARDable in the majority of the states, 2-strokes cannot meet emission laws, some smaller 2 strokes are exempt from the law like chainsaws and weed eaters, but each to there own, if you grew up on a 4 banger your probably going to prefer them there still kick ass bike....peace
TaNgLeD2121 1 year ago
@TaNgLeD2121 aw true i didnt consider yous are in the states. i grew up on 2 strokes but as i got onto 4 strokes my preferance fell with them..
RIDEHARDable 1 year ago
@TaNgLeD2121 Actually if 2 stroke was alive, a 2stroke 1000cc, would eat a fuckin truck full of gas in a damn month....
With a KW. ninja 630cc, i cant even go to the city with 10€, which is like ~30 km from here, and the minimum salary here is 500€, with a 2 stroke bike, u wouldnt be able to ride it for more than a week...
Anyway i prefer the sound of the 4stroke engine, like KTM 525...
For me 2strk is good for 50cc and 125cc only, and it should never die, but for big engines is better 4strk
guily6669 1 year ago
@guily6669 80 & 250
kronikally420 1 year ago
@TaNgLeD2121 actually they are makin fuel enjected 2 strokes now so 2 strokes will make a come back when ama runs out of reasons to not race 2 strokes.
TheHammer209 1 year ago
@TheHammer209 ...i like your optimism but fuel injected doesn't really change anything,... sorry too say,...
TaNgLeD2121 1 year ago
@TaNgLeD2121 yeah i know i remeber back when it took a 250 4stroke just to out run a 125 2 stroke an the 250 2 strokes was faster then the 450 4 strokes but now the fucking government an there so called global warming crap
Richierich1285 1 year ago
CR500 rider sucks, lucky it's fast as tits to make up for slow turns lol.
manbowv8 2 years ago 14