Scientologists take on the BBC Panorama documentary Part 2

[glicher100]

reporters dont say "brainwashed" or "cult" unless there is evidence other wise its slander and the bbc is most probably up to date with laws regarding journalism

[glicher100]

they wouldnt have been ale to make this if it wasnt for john sweey (i think thats his name the reporter) if u search bbc scientologist it comes up with a video of him going crazy at that tom cruise wannabe scientologist tommy with people like them and the west bro baptist church u needa reporter who dose lose his cool so easily because they can play that off as therethe innoent ones being harrased (which is the only thing they do anyway)

[alaskakiska]

@kennygerke its truly funny how they say at he start the in the united stated you usuall y call first , . why just the usa , not the uk , these people are liars , and a cult and then kristy brings up jews , ?? they so croped his words, and al these experts , are what scientoligcracks

[alaskakiska]

@kennygerke its truly funny how they say at he start the in the united stated you usuall y call first , . why just the usa , not the uk , these people are liars , and a cult and then kristy brings up jews , ?? they so croped his words,

[alaskakiska]

he was probley afraid theyed somehow trap him in there

[andy16666]

Who the fuck made this video? It's full of shit.

[barty417]

he didn't a fucking guided tour of how awesome and impressive scientology was then do a documentary advertisement for them

they never even show him saying things they say he says, just random footage that they put a storyline to

maybe panorama would have done a more standard "this side of the argument vs that side of the argument" report if scientology had stopped harassing them all the time

[luckieian]

John sweeney did a good job under the preasure of this cult to manipulate what he did and said. Well done john and the bbc.

[R2FortyFive]

Fascinating. Both the documentary and the comments thereof. It offers rare insight into the making of a media piece like this. A Sufi once remarked that when a pickpocket meets a holy man all he will ever see of the holy man are his pockets. The literacy level of many of the comments speaks for itself, as does the psychotic reaction of the Journalist. The definition of psychosis is an ongoing intention to harm or destroy. Even when carefully masked it is not so hard to detect.

[lordspectre]

cough BULLSHIT cough sorry im alergic to scientologys lies lol

[bakaeido]

I just love how they have the narator saying ever thing sweenie did and said, then not showing it, or editing the film to take what he said out of context. Like when sweenie shouted they said it was because of the citizen human rights thing, when it was about the interview with the who took drugs.

you never hear a full conversation in this "mockumentary"

[songratingaccount]

fucking retards

evil cult, bunch of fucking idiots

does anyone know what they believe? lmao i suggest you watch the "trapped in the closet" south park gives quite a good summary

[borroughs]

narconon kills get informed and scientology manipulates informations on a constant basis

[bwilli93]

that is a shithole..narconon kills folks..stay away

[Misterkadir]

fucking SP. what piss me of more, there is idiots who believe this sweeny guy.

[BoombaGoomba]

As I was free to watch BOTH sides of the story, I bet the Scilons were only showed ONE and Im guessing which side.

Mind Control...yeah I like to think so

[ccnnffpp00660077]

how is saying "some people say......" unfair treatment. he is simply stating OTHER peoples opinions

[MyLegendarySelf]

"Do I look brain-washed to you?!"

YES!!!!!!!! YOU DO!!!

"When you throw the term brain-washed around loosely, it really doesn't mean much of anything."

But in the context it was used in this video, it meant exactly what it seemed to mean, and was used correctly.

[MyLegendarySelf]

I wouldn't tell a Jew his Religion was a cult. Why? BECAUSE IT'S NOT, quite simply.

I would tell a Scientology his business, that L. Ron Hubbard himself declared wasn't a Religion, was a cult. Why? BECAUSE IT IS.

Thank you.

[MyLegendarySelf]

Merck is whack. They use extracts from aborted baby leftovers in their products. Effing nasty.

[TomWillisPromotions]

"Golden Era PRODUCTIONS"

says it all

[clancydave]

scientologist properganda bullshit

[Lineyline]

Anybody notice at 6:55 how they say they asked John why he kept making accusasions about brainwashing and what John was yelling about didn't make any sense?

Narrator: We asked him why he kept making accusasion of brainwashing and Sweeny's reaction was least to be espected!

John: YOU WERE NOT THERE AT THE BEGINING OR THE END OF THAT INTERVIEW!

I can't believe scilons are THAT stupid to not see that was a lie!

[Azure260]

THE WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 13th - 21st Chalk4Peace!

On the pavements and sidewalks of our towns and cities

[translationwiz]

SO, there were segments not shown in the BBC. documentary...just saying. In all fairness it should have shown the verbal response made by the actors e.g. "Do I look like I am a brainwahsed person to you." this wasnt shown in the interview.

[JDexia]

I believe the BBC stated that they weren't allowed to show them?

[fluorophoric]

ever seen that episode of Cowboy Bebop called "Brain Starch"? exactly.

[rania3830]

they lied in this documentary. tried to make it out that john sweeney had an outburst for no reason. john sweeney cracked because they had been stalking him since he stepped foot in America.

[MechanicV8]

Scientologists are fags.

[nxcoleyxx]

oh. my goodness. these people are crazy. why can't they just let people have an opinoin. every time Sweeny started talking to Tommy Tommy would speak over him and wouldn't let him get a word in edgewise. if their 'religion'/CULT is so perfect then why do they have to bring up the histories and backgrounds of the people who disagree as their only defence mechanism instead of dealing with the actual issue being discused? GAH!

[scallywicca]

Scientology a cult?  So what? How about dealing with the 2,000 year old cult which is thrust down our throats continually and which tells us it's their way...or eternity in hell. Now THAT is a dangerous cult!

[nxcoleyxx]

there's a huge difference between religion and cult. if you stop being a christian/catholic the church doesn't hound you and dig up your past for all of society to see they have no interest in spawning hate out of someone's personal opinion. if you oppose scientology you're f*@%ed they hound you, follow you, scare you and try to break you and make you look like a bad person. that is a key mark of a CULT.

[scallywicca]

"there's a huge difference between religion and cult" - not true! Christianity IS a cult, it's just been around for a really long time - do some research.

Let's face it, if it wasn't for Christianity you wouldn't have felt the need to write "f*@%ed"; why not simply write fuck - it's a lovely word! (Unless you live under a cult that tells you fucking is dirty and sinful!)

[sa12k]

Possibly out of pure politeness as most people (irregardless of religion) consider 'profanities' profane. The history is debatable, but he didn't want to either offend people that find profanities offensive or risk possibly getting banned or discredited for abuse. Even atheists feel the same way (or considerate atheists). However, clicking the 'thumbs-down' button and ranting about something uncontrollably shaped, possibly by religion, is unacceptable.

[nxcoleyxx]

i think it is you who needs to do the research, there is a huge difference between a cult and a religion, you can't seriously be telling me that something like what happened in Jones Town is the same thing as Christianity or Buddhhasm.

[BR1774NYftw]

they keep trying to steer sweeny's investigation.

laaaame.

[OktoberSunset]

Hmmm, notice they cut out all the context in sweenys outbust, and they lied about what he was talking about. If you watch panorama, they have hte full clip, when you see Tommy was actually attacking him about the interview they intruded on halfway through and not brainwashing at all. Oh look scientologists lying again! What a surprise!

[pakplayer]

scientology is pathetik and they need to get beemed up on there spaceship as soon as possible cuz they are psycho hahahahahahah

[peterstorm1]

In this scilon video, Dr. Colin Ross, a psychiatrist, is ask to give his opinion and it is clear that he's used has an autoritary figure to sit in the scilon's corner, against the BBC. Yet, $cientology still dispises psychiatry openly, seeing them as competitors to their commercial scam. Busted $cientology!

[Nekosesshy]

BTW, since when does Scientology use psychiatrists? Why would they have the very person they believe is purposefully working in conjunction with the pharmaceutical companies to defend themselves? Selective anti-RX campaigning?

[Nekosesshy]

I particularly enjoy the part at about 7 minutes in where they make Sweeney *sp?* look as if he lashes out not only from out of no where, but as if it is a reaction to his "brainwashing accusations (which weren't so much accusations but edited questions to appear as such) being questioned.

For anyone who watched the BBC original, that is instantly sends up a giant BS propaganda flag, as if material from Scientology weren't a valid enough reason.

[chrislocate]

This reminds me of the Richard Dawkins v. creationists videos - Sweeney's been taken completely out of context! I really do worry about what would happen if enough people believed this rubbish.

[chime85]

notice that when they show sweeney shouting, the part where tommy davis harrased him repeatedly was left out

[gregvs3]

I would have loved to see the interviews with those actors. What I saw of them makes me think they are complete morons, and remember that scientology is going to keep in the "good" parts.

[llewellynw23]

Are the "experts" they interviewed by any chance scientologist?Brainwashing,Bra­inwashing

[normskis69]

NEW TITLE - Scientology takes on the BBC...and fails miserably...very miserably!!!

Scientologists also accused the BBC of terrorism?!

Fucking fascists!!!

[iMarc89]

The BBC is the most respected broadcasting company in the world. I have seen gentleman they are slandering conduct various interviews. He is professional and always fair and just.

I do not believe this "documentary" for a second. I know what Panarama is and I have watched it on many occasions. If you had seen the way this Tommy had conducted himself at every previous meeting, you would understand why he lost his temper.

[kasmv]

nice The Church talks back

[binsuck]

this is such bullshit. Talk about slander and un-biased journalism?! this entire piece is skewed. scientology does exactly what it says is wrong...it makes no sense.

[xtieburn]

Right, so the video establishes there are strict rules and regulators, it then proceeds to 'prove' he has broken many of them.

So why has there been no upheld complaint? Why hasnt the show been forced to apologise for any more than a well justified outburst?

To top it off they get a psychiatrist to back up there message... a psychiatrist which they openly admit they want to destroy?

This is contradictory rubbish put out by an increasingly desperate cult.

[kallie3000]

His yelling is COMPLETELY taken out of context!!!

[cheerupemokid8888]

this proves sweeny is a bigot

[cheerupemokid8888]

self defending?

[tuotierugif]

what nut jobs.

[fossdog]

I love the video editing, the arguments from authority and the fact that they produce no evidence to support ANY of their claims.

Scientology, you fail, lulz.

[deadelectromix]

I like how they use a psychologist as a source, when they say the whole practice of psychology is a horrible thing that caused the holocaust.

[nath0002]

That's why the best way to answer the critics is by sharing your belief openly..!! (I'm sure the leader of scientology should be able to do that)...It's NOT by attacking back the people using this kind of video..!!..To me, it gives a sense that Scientology only can attack back when people criticizes it. (It's like when you have a debate and your opposition ask you something, but you NEVER answer the Question,INSTEAD you attack him/her with other question )

[burn89]

exactly

[nath0002]

The Scientology copyrighted its beliefs and never answers critics with its comprehensive beliefs. (IMO if the belief is the truth, why you have to HIDE it, answer the critics by SHARING your belief).It's not right to deal with criticism by attacking the personal life of the critical people.

Noone is perfect,if a critical person did wrongs before, it doesn't mean tht he/she is wrong about his/her critics to scientology!!!

(continue to next comment)

[nath0002]

Ok, I have a few important points: This video points out the 7.1 from broadcasting code. Sweeney just asked about what people asked (yes, there is a lot of people accused scientology as a cult). And WHY the questions still there: COZ scientology never openly answers the critics by revealing its true belief (continue to next comment)

[kallie3000]

Exactly! They shouldn't answer with "how dare you" they should answer with real answers. It is an honest question, that HAS been asked of other main religions.

[maxpowers053183]

5:55 Brainwarshing!

[viper64]

Scientology is NOT a cult! When compared to Catholism, the Mormons, LDS, even Baptist church groups, they are all the same. The term "cult" is viewed derogatorily, yet it has a quite subjective interpretation.

[DeNovoApollyon]

Watch it in context to see how evil Scientology is. They have take all of it out of context, in fact one part it wasn't even Sweeny's voice... Ok he lost his temper, but i think i would after the harassment and being dictated to. Scientology IS a cult, does brainwash and i hope other European countries follow Germany and ban it, before it spreads and becomes another religious parasite on our species.

[kingsgirl1102]

Are these people serious!?!?! Your entire fucking "religion" is based on the ideas of a deranged sci-fi writer who lied about all of his credentials. The CoS is a CULT. And all its members are two steps from being the next Jonestown! Get a fucking life!!!!!

[spacekicker]

If you actually watch the BBC footage you see these guys are just hacks trying to send disinformation about their obviously weirdo cult

[aquabone81]

Knowledge is free.

We are Anonymous.

We are Legion.

We do not forgive.

WE DO NOT FORGET.

Expect us.

[pepelaw]

With this foolish footage they back that the BBC is actuall doing their job. Just taking out the brainwashed part shows that they to not have anything on hand - great that somebody finally takes them on.

If any of Scientology is comes close to you - run as fast as you can

[killian810]

This is the biggest crock!! Anybody with FREE WILL can tell this is BS!!!!

[Milkfedgimp]

Theres some wild cuts in the celebrity interviews. Suspicious? You be the judge.

[Necrodermis]

wow that sweeny (retard) guy is a ape on speed, while scientology is a religion that came from a SF book, so the whole things screwed up in its own way as well, and probley because of them we'll have a religious war in a couple hundred years. scientology takes on the world COMMING SOON

[zulmia]

I'm not going to trust any "documentary" that has so many cuts with respect to its subject. Look at the celebrity portion. It is literally taking 2 second clips and stringing them together, with (un)healthy doses of propaganda in between. This is amateurish at best. I expected better from such a well funded cult.

[VATechHokie7]

John Sweeney should be fired. He did not treat any of those interviews with respect. He broke journalistic standards, and even those of his own BBC.

[memblor]

Scientology is a hideous, destrutive cult. Sweeney did push it too far with the celebrity interviews. He should have asked them about the lies about Hubbard's past and alleged superpowers of OT's. Why did he mention brainwashing so much? That's not productive.

[ajfx]

the celebrities were all ACTORS which are known for what again ?? the abilty to act! Scientologist believe that they cant not reveal anything to a non-member/ someone who isnt not on there OT level. also OT can not use their "powers" with non-member /someone who isnt there OT level.

[memblor]

What are you talking about?

[ajfx]

one of the rule in scientoloyg is that if yu discover something to early when you are unprepare for it it could kill you. So therefore you do not talk about these things to other hense the whole xenu thing in the interviews.

[memblor]

more likely they refuse all knowledge of it because it's so damn humiliating to admit they believe such an unbelievable story.

If learning the story kills people who were unprepared, why did everybody who watched the South Park episode covering Scientology survive? :)

[tactilecacti]

Scientology is a big load of crap.

[saulgenesisfan]

that did not happen! Sweeney would not have used the word if he didn't know what it meant.

[saulgenesisfan]

this report was a LIE!!! Sweeney never even SAID the word brainwashing in the interviews! the scientolgists have manipulated the video to make it look like that was what he said. He only said the word brainwashing when he was doing a talk over the video back in England. He claimed that he was being brainwashed. Its the scientologists that keep accusing psychiatrists of brainwashing people!

[saulgenesisfan]

the worst part is that he never once mentioned brainwashing and the argument he had with Davis in the museum (which had the sound manipulated on it) was about Sweeney interviewing someone with a criminal record, who is obviously being harrassed by the church.

[saulgenesisfan]

WORSE than terrorists, after the amount of people they have hurt and killed, including their own, saying they are worse is defending them. they are the WORST kind of terrorist.

[saulgenesisfan]

Davis refused Sweeney of access to the centre. Sweeney did not once mention brainwashing, that argument was over an interview. Davis was trying to write off everyone that Sweeney spoke to as a criminal. This whole video is false, it has all been manipulated (including Sweeney's shouts in the argument), and does not contain one grain of truth on what actaully happened.

[saulgenesisfan]

Sweeney didn't refuse to visit that centre, Tommy Davis told him he was not allowed access! have you noticed the scientologists cut off all of his conversation with Tommy Davis, and manipulate what is there?

[glewberdoober]

their take on things is warped. its all lies. notice how they edit everything sweeny says. the only people that would every speak on behalf of scientology are scientologists. you really have to be brainwashed to beleive their bullshit

[glewberdoober]

scientology is not a laugh, they kill people. they discredit people. they have police on thier staff making them above the law in certain places. i'm not laughing. these people need to be stopped. we have the numbers. we can do it!

[seanykc]

I love the hypocrisy of scientology. Where was the impartiality on there side from any of this. EVIL CULT.

[Brainchild1]

Scientology the EVIL MONEY MAKING CULT THAT RUINS FAMILYS is now on its way OUT any one involved - who all know deep down its wrong now its your time to get out..

[surikanta]

only an idiot would believe this stupit try to spin off the original bbc documentary. they will not take down bbc credibility. and yeah, it is a cult of brainwashed zombies.

[msuess]

OMFG. Scientology is pathetic. Just stop your badly made videos. They suck.

[RAQDES]

Brainwashers

[volkzor]

Dorland's Medical Dictionary defines brainwashing (also known as thought reform or re-education) as "any systematic effort aimed at instilling certain attitudes and beliefs in a person against his will, usually beliefs in conflict with his prior beliefs and knowledge.

[newportnipper92]

cunts

[jurrk]

silly cultist. this helped the BBC out SOOO much.

[daggzuk]

haha Scientologist Propaganda. John Sweeney is a normal man who isn't retarded like all of the Scientologists in this world. They are just insecure tossers!!! CULT CULT CULT CULT!!!!

[dawgmatty]

lol these scientologist are vvvvvv.thick

[johnnylvg]

silly propaganda..

[handbanana999]

Nice editing! Do jews charge 100,000 dollars to find out about Jehovah and then publicly deny believing in him? We all know about 0t 3 and its "secret" teaching about xenu and his reign of terror in the Mesozoic era. I wonder what he said next?

[handbanana999]

This is largely just the church's own bullshit propaganda! Where is the devastating critique you promised?

[handbanana999]

No. It gives us a rare glimpse of how paranoid and vicious the scientologist really are!

[jurrk]

and as far as being fair goes... you have NO right to claim to be fair when the BBC couldn't air the interviews but you can remove all Q&A from them and air the most edited piece of junk I've EVER seen pass for a documentary outside of the E channel

[jurrk]

As far as picking on him for saying "some people would say" too much, why would you want him to stop?

All reporters should use that term more, that's their job, to ask the questions we want answers to!

[jurrk]

umm... am i the only one that noticed that he didn't go in and out over and over again like the lieing scientologist claimed? The practice of defacing enemies of the cult is common to CoS and if they can't dig up dirt they make it up.

[jurrk]

CoS doesn't let members talk about what it means to be a scientologist even to other members under their rank. they claim that gaining the knowledge too soon will kill you and that in fact while discovering Xenu (the evil alien overlord mentioned in OT III) L. Ron died and came back to life.

[gawainclaridge]

His rant was not in response to being challenged about his brainwashing statements it was a reaction to being told who he could and couldn't interview and who he should or should not spend tme with. The BBC are a sinister organisation who are going out of their way to pick on the poor old Scientologists. The BBC has a stronger moral backbone and more believers than Scientology!

[gawainclaridge]

Personal character assasination is not an action often associated with a mainstream religion. Dossiers on critics are more commonly associated with dictatorial governments than a mainstream religion. Do you think the Church of England has dossiers on people who meet them and say they don't believe in God....

[imyourdad1981]

that video was edited like a mofo when he was interviewing the brainwashed moviestars shit there just trying to manipulate the viewers again the won't stop .

[yonnyf]

They say he was not followed by anyone yet they show us filming him coming and and out of the church. Fucking CULT.

[zutroy85]

Another obvious example of their hypocrisy and double standards, why are the CoS using a psychiatrist (Dr Colin Ross) to back up their argument in this video????

[morecat]

So wild to see some footage of the brainwashed celebrities.

[morecat]

Facinating to see the propanda machine in action. The fact that they have a Brit narrating to make it seem more legit/BBCish is hilarious and pathetic. Zenu must hate youtube, eh?

[brainwashingcult]

The World Largest 'Independant' 'drug free' rehab center - Its probably the only one in the world thats why!

[brainwashingcult]

Where is the evidence that Sweeney says doesnt have time to go around the Church? Everything, just everything is said without any proof.

[brainwashingcult]

6:37 - They dont show Tommy shouting in the face of Sweeney before his outburst.

[zutroy85]

Aye, funny that isn't it, how manipulative. It's also funny how Sweeney mentioned the rehab centre in the BBC doc. It's not as if they blanked it completely, like the scientologists are trying to make out!

[ajfx]

or tommy talking over john when he goes later to say sorry (also on youtube).

[brainwashingcult]

44 secs in: every single hospital will have 'links' to pharmacolgical groups - thats what they use to treat patients.

[brainwashingcult]

The funnist comment by one of the celebrities is "DO I LOOK BRAINWASHED TO YOU!!?" - how dumb a comment is that!

[MerlinTHP]

Why do we not hear the questions posed to the experts? Nothing appears directly tied to John Sweeney or his report.

[brainwashingcult]

In addition what makes them 'experts'!?

[MerlinTHP]

The Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), an anti-psychiatry organization founded by the Church of Scientology.

[brainwashingcult]

Amoungst literally hundreds of others.

[ajfx]

but have they got somewhere ??? NO!!!

[MerlinTHP]

Why has a Scientologist video got a Psychiatrist in it supposedly supporting them, when they are the so-called architects of the Holocaust and evil?

[MerlinTHP]

If Sweeney entered the building several times, why repeat the same footage showing him enter? Or has he trained himself and his cameraman so well as to be able to replicate each step/movement perfectly?

[brainwashingcult]

Exactly, what do they have to gain from this? What actual proof do we have that the actually did this other than the voice over. Seeing that Scientology want to discredit the documentary they arent exactly the most reliable of sources.

[MerlinTHP]

Can We Trust the BBC? (Hardcover)

by Robin Aitken (Author)

Available on Amazon $22.76

No conflict of interest there then

[saulgenesisfan]

yes we can, we don't need a book. Its CofS we can't trust.