I believe you mean article 3 section 2 which pretty much bars lower courts from deciding on cases such as this, in other words the only court who had the authority to issue an injunction and block portions of the law is the Supreme Court.
@1776blues, No, the US District Court of Arizona was the proper venue to take the cases. Next will be at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, in San Francisco which holds jurisdiction over Arizona. Lastly the Supreme Court will be the final venue for appeal, but only needed. Since AZ is appealing a USDCAZ ruling, then AZ wants 9thCCA to over turn Bolton's ruling. I expect 9thCCA will reverse Bolton and Feds won't challenge. Expect decision before November2010.
If all of the parts of the law were constitutional, it would be taking effect in it's original form.
The fact that a federal judge who's sole duty was to determine whether or not parts of the law conflict with the constitution has declared parts of it unconstitutional should be proof enough.
@borderraven of course i would respect your laws, but i dont want to go even legally if some cop pulls me over and asks me for my papers just for my skin color, that's racist, USA was founded almost entirely by immigrants and they are US main workforce. I hope you guys could understand that, but no... not in the real world... i reccomend you listen a song called Frijolero by Molotov, then maybe you will understand every horrible thing an immigrant goes through. greets from Mexico.
I agree is sucks to be asked for proof of citizenship if you meet "criteria" of an illegal when you're in an area that has a high rate of illegal immigrants. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty. If you are arrested or worse without given the opportunity to prove yourself innocent then that would be wrong in this country. People get accused of things in this country all the time because they fit the description or criteria of someone else. It sucks, but
if I have to take 30 seconds to prove my innocents of something then its not that bad. I get asked to show my ID all the time for lots of different things. To get asked to show "papers" you have to have broken a law in the first place. It is NOT legal for a cop to stop someone and ask for "papers" just because they look Mexican. But once stopped for breaking a law, a white man will probably not get asked for papers in an area with high rate of Mexican illegals.
So I see where the problem stems. How are law enforcement to find illegal immigrants in this country when they look like a lot of Americans? Asking for some sort of proof you have permission to be here, or are a citizen is one easy alternative to just arresting everyone who "looks" Mexican that happen to be in the area. There is no perfect way of doing it that will please everyone. People should be treated as people and not animals, and American laws exist to protect AMERICANS
SB1070 is unconstitutional because people who have been arrested and found innocent of any charges to be detained indefinitely until they have proven their immigration status. This is a clear violation of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments.
@DavidForthoffer, SB 1070 has been reached and exercised, by the time a person has been arrested.
In 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court handed down a unanimous decision in Muehler v. Mena that questioning someone regarding their immigration status is not a violation of Fourth Amendment rights - provided that person is already lawfully detained.
@borderraven: Muehler v. Mena is irrelevant. Mena's point is that police may QUESTION someone who has been detained. It sounds like we both agree police have that right. My point is that police do not have the right to PUNISH a person for not proving their immigration status, even though SB1070 says otherwise.
@borderraven: The punishment that Arizona police are required to inflict is to keep a person in jail until they prove their innocence of the crime of not being an illegal alien, even after they have been found innocent, or paid any fine due, or served all required time.
@DavidForthoffer, Life is a bitch! Carry your ID or face the consequences. I carry 4
photo ID: DL, passport, Retired military ID, and Veteran's Medical ID. Kids today should have ID at all times. Pets have ID. You don't want to lose a child or pet, right?
SB1070 is unconstitutional because it infringes on the sovereign authority of the Federal government over matters of foreign policy, of which immigration is one. The individual states DO NOT have the right to draft their own foreign policies. The Department of Justice has announced that it will challenge Arizona’s controversial immigration law SB 1070, it will not survive the legal challenge from the federal government.
@AmericanBosniak, Arizona didn't invent new immigration laws. Arizona only delegated to their officers state authority to follow the US federal immigration policy (287(g) as defined in 8USC1357.
@borderraven The States do not have the right to delegate Federal authority to their officers. The Department of Justice is attacking SB1070 on such grounds.
@AmericanBosniak, the federal government got its power and authority from the states, but under the 9th and 10th Amendments the People retain control.
Last four words of the 10th Amendment are, "or to the people."
Also, under Article 1 Section 10, "States may engage in war when actually invaded," Arizona is being invaded by armed drug cartels and unarmed illegals.
Art 4 Sec 4 says "Each State shall protect the Union of States."
I thought you claimed to have read the US Constitution.
@borderraven Ah the nuts 10ther interpretation ignoring any and all legal precedent. And according to the FBI, the number of violent crimes reported in Arizona between 2005 and 2008 dropped by almost 1500 while the number of reported property crimes during the same time period decreased by 8000.
@borderraven The 10th Amendment, which says that powers not expressly granted to the feds remain in the hands of the states. Ah, but there's a conundrum! It's Article 3, which gives the Supreme Court the power to say whether a law oversteps the powers designated to the Federal Government.
@borderraven Believe it or not, the Founders never intended for the most reactionary law enforcement personnel in the country to decide disputes between the states and the central government, so they created a court to do that job. It's one of the enumerated powers in the Constitution!
@utube917, the border is about 1 inch wide. The double-fence is probably 200 feet wide from the border. Anywhere in Arizona 200 feet from the border the state has jurisdiction to enforce all laws. Article 4 Section 4 of the US Constitution says, [PARAPHRASED] "every state in the union, is responsible to every state in the union, for securing our union against invasion."
INVA'SION, n. s as z. [L. invasio, from invado. See Invade.]
1. A hostile entrance into the possessions of another; particularly, the entrance of a hostile army into a country for the purpose of conquest or plunder, or the attack of a military force. The north of England and south of Scotland were for centuries subject to invasion, each from the other. The invasion of England by William the Norman, was in 1066
@jfsfrnd, they are here occupying our territory and won't leave. They breed. More keep coming. They have consular representation by their government. Their government gives them an ID card that our banks accept. Our citizens are suffering Stockholm Syndrome, and sympathizing with them.
@jfsfrnd, under the 14th Amendment the laws are applied equally to everyone in order to protect the US citizens. The laws cannot be applied only to the bad illegal aliens, without violating the 14th Amendment.
@jfsfrnd, Under the 14th Amendment the laws are to be applied equally. When the laws are not applied equally, the civil rights of the citizens are violated.
@utube917, So are you saying if anyone gets past the Border Patrol, then ICE is the only agency who can arrest them? How far from the border does the BP lose jurisdiction and ICE has jurisdiction, 30-miles, 50-miles, 100-miles? I see the problem has gotten out of control. The government ignored it and the illegals increased the rate of crossings. Unless your "immigrants" go peaceably, I only see Martial Law as the solution.
@utube917, I'm getting the impression you feel the Arizona law is constitutional, but enforcement of the law may be a civil rights violation by some cops -- not all cops. Only time will tell and every stop and arrest will require scrutiny and explanation. I suggest people who feel violated by the cops file a grand jury complaint with the local attorney general and also speaking at city council meetings..
@utube917, If a cop pulls me over, and says the license plate light looked dim, I'd step out and look at it myself, and just fuck with the cops time. "Hey, officer your turn signals are inoperative."
@utube917, In my younger days I got stopped, for a violation myself 8 times, and as a passenger when a headlight was out, we got stopped twice in the same hour, in Coronado, CA at mid-night. Rodney King was not racially profiled. He was high on drugs, speeding and led the cops on a long chase. Yes he a beat down, but then he was on his knees and would not prone out. True the incident exceeded the point where I would have tied to get up and run for survival. Now I drive safe 15+years.
@utube917, yes I believe cops won't racial profile under SB1070. Cops need you to give them a reason for a stop. How often do Pomona cops stop you? Do you keep a count on a calendar? Do you know cops only stop 2 percent of the drivers -- unless there is a DUI/Safety checkpoint? SB 1070 goes into effect in 49 days, I'm willing to wait and see how it goes for a year, and how effectively it motivates the illegals to leave. If the law is applied equally, then it protects equally.
@utube917, you make the point SB1070, as mended by HB2162, is racist, then will you please quote the sentence which you consider racist, or are you just a retard?
US Constitution Article 4 Section 4 says every state in the Union is responsible for protecting every state in the Union. This constitutional duty goes to every political subdivision in the state, down to the local police who have first contact with people and who intimately know every neighborhood.
@utube917, the Arizona law is not racist. All you can do is claim everything is racist. What a loser. Please boycott, then we'll replace you with able-bodied American citizen workers at every level. SB 1070 is not intended for stopping illegals at the border, but is a "detection" tool for finding illegals. Article 4 Section 4 makes it a state responsibility to detect illegals, and that means the cops can do what Arizona law says.
WHAT YOU AT? YOU ALL ABOUNCH OF FUCKIN ASSHOLES. YOU KNOW WHY? YOU DO'NT HAVE THE GUTS TO BE WHAT YOU WANNA BE!! YOU NEED PEOPLE LIKE ME. SO YOU CAN POINT YOUR FUCKIN' FINGERS AND SAY, 'THAT'S THE BAD GUY. SO... WHAT THAT MAKE YOU? GOOD? YOU'RE NOT GOOD. YOU JUST KNOW HOW TO HIDE HOW TO LIES WITH YOURS SB1070 FASCISM.IGNORANT!!
ME, I DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. PROBLEM. ME, I ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH!! EVEN WHEN I LIE SO SAY GOOD NEWS TO THE BAD GUY!! COME ON ... THE LAST TIME YOU GONNA SEE A BAD GUY LIKE THIS AGAIN LET ME TELL YOU. COME ON MAKE WAY FOR THE BAD GUY. THERES A BAD GUY COMIN THROUGH! BETTER GET OUTTA HIS WAY.. WITH YOURS SB1070 RASISMS...
SO YOU CAN POINT YOUR FUCKIN' FINGERS AND SAY, 'THAT'S THE BAD GUY. SO... WHAT THAT MAKE YOU? GOOD? YOU'RE NOT GOOD... YOU JUST KNOW HOW TO HIDE HOW TO LIES...SB1070 FASCISM...
THIS IS AMERICA NOT GERMANY FASCISM OR ENGLAND WHIT KINGS AND TEA WHITE PARTY REMEMBER THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION AND SEND TO SEA THE WHITE TEA THE PEOPLE AMERICAN RAISING OUR AMERICAN FLAG AND NOT THE NAZI FLAG.AMERICA IS LAND OF INMIGRANTS REMEMBER THE MAY FLOWERS AND THE TANKS GIVINGS I'M GERONIMO AND HAVE MORE HISTORY WHAT YOURS PILGRIMS AND YOUR MAY FLOWERS...
The USA is not Nazi Germany and Arizona SB1070, as amended by HB2162, is nothing near what Nazi Germany was like in WW2. Nazi Germany was under Martial Law, during war time -- Something the USA should be under now, so you idiots would gain an appreciation of Liberty.
In Arizona, you literally have to give a cop probable cause to detain or stop you. Only after a lawful stop, can a cop, then question your "lawful presence".
my city of costa mesa, orange county CA (pop. 110,000, give or take) sends back over 3,000 illegals each year. the same law is on a federal level, being enforced everywhere. i don't even want to look at how many neighboring fountain valley, santa ana and huntington beach, because it is probably wayyyyy more. go try sneaking into mexico, they kill you. we send you home.
Doesn't U.S. immigration law require non-resident aliens to produce I.D. when asked? To my knowledge, the Arizona law only gives law enforcement additional tools to identify non-resident "illegal" aliens after they've already been detained for other alleged crimes, and then only after probable cause has been established. After they're detained, the officer must have reasonable suspicion that the detainee is in the country illegally before he can ask for I.D.
And as you try to trade rights and freedoms for security like a good sheep you can count on true patriots to do the right thing and throw off your government and fight... I'll be blocking your ignorance now. I simply have better things to do. We've set up our studio and I'll be releasing videos of professional quality soon with quotes from the federalist papers.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, "
the purpose of government... specifically ours, is to protect rights. You may go on ignoring reality, but you're plainly stupid in doing so. Do you have brain damage? a learning disability? You're insane.
I'm so proud to be a part of a nat'l heritage that resists 'constitutional' with what we can agree is moral. No one of us can contest that our nation was born out of the annihilation of native peoples, the enslavement of blacks, & the subordination of women, while privileging of those with money. Yet, it is through our courage that Americans new & old have resisted immoral laws & subjugation.
It pains me to hear this same old racist rhetoric regurgitated & re-presented as if it were at all new.
America is on conquered lands won in battles to the death, and those persons born on the conquered land to the citizens of the conquered lands, are the citizens. We are not "immigrants"! We own this land! The children born on this conquered land to non-citizens are the nationalities of their parents! Take your illegal alien butts, children too, sell your property, pack your bags and get off our land! Read Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848) , ARTICLES V, IX and XVI.
This whole video is a complete mess of horse shit misquotes aaaaand. You miss the point. Nobody AMERICAN is against 99% of it. Just the parts that allow police to abuse people's civilian rights (There's video proof of it already)... and we want to protect our citizens. Fuck the illegals. We don't want another person brought to ICE because they didn't bring their birth certificate with them. THERE IS NO AUTHORIZATION IN THE CONSTITUTION TO MANDATE CITIZENS ID THEMSELVES WITH NO PROOF OF CRIME.
@crispymidget See the notes for this video and visit the links too. You missed the part of the US Constitution where the legislature makes laws. Aliens must carry ID. I carry 4 photo ID and have no problems showing to cops if it protects the USA. The police should hold ID checkpoints over the next 5 years and ID everybody who goes into a sports arena, train station, airport, and shopping mall. We need to run off the illegals.
@borderraven Oh so you like Nazi Germany? Fantastic. "those who sacrifice freedoms for security will lose both" Benjamin Franklen. If you want to repeat the mistakes of history I suppose you can try to do it... I'll have my patriot gun pointed right at you.
ooooh and by the way. I saw you mentioning something about United nations rulings. Yeh. We have the constitution. The United Nations can suck it. They don't have jurisdiction to overrule our constitution here. END OF STORY!
and nobody is saying don't protect, don't arrest illegals, ect... the means by which they require ID is the only thing that the ACLU, the president, The Libertarian party, SUPREME COURT JUDGE Napolitano and a vast army of other TRUE PATRIOTS don't like.
@crispymidget, I mentioned the UN's Human Rights for Aliens, and yes it applies to the USA under US Constitution Article 6 "all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land"
Any treaty Obama or Hillary Clinton, signs will be bound to the Constitution. If she signs a UN treaty to ban handguns or share gun registration, it is US LAW!
Arizona amended the law.
FYI-JUDGE Napolitano was never on the SUPREME COURT.
@borderraven you continue to talk out your ass. Apart from the Napalitano comment. That is true and no I am sorry. If you think that at any point that Obama or hi-larry can make treaties that are in contrary to the constitution and have them valid then you are wrong.
As a graduate of the Cato Institute I can assure you none of the above mentioned articles say anything authorizing the state to mandate carrying a birth certificate or any ID.... sorry, but you're completely wrong and even the sections that talk about protection from invasion is specifically talking about the federal government. That is one of the few limited and legitimate roles of the federal government... you're truly ignorant aren't you?
Your video is irrelevant to the topic. AZ SB 1070 has nothing to do with immigration since there are already laws that give police authority to turn aliens to ICE.
Az SB 1070 is about power and control. It's about partisan politics and all the nasty vile corrupt issues that tag along with it.
@tuopinas, AZ SB 1070 only grants to local and state police under state law, those powers granted to federal officers under federal law. Read US Constitution Article 4 Section 4, which basically says, "Every state in the union, is responsible to every state in the union, for securing our union against INVASION."
@borderraven federal matter. and if you're ignorant enough to think that the constitution is something only government deity can decipher then you're as unAmerican as they come. You think it's patriotic to authorize random search and seizure? Sorry but there is no constitutional authority granted to require ID of citizens and what happens when a citizen gets stopped with no ID now? They get taken to ICE and somebody has to bring them their birth certificate. You're insane.
@borderraven what the fuck constitution are you reading??? That isn't what it says at all. It simply states that one of the few legit powers granted the federal government is the formation of an army to protect the states form invasion. Even under the craziest stretch (which you show) that does not imply that the states can mandate ID for citizens. If you missed it. THAT'S THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL PART!!! the rest is fantastic.
@crispymidget, I love to burst your bubble on this point. Article 4 is about States Relations, and Article 4 Section 4 is NOT a federal responsibility.
This is about people migrating from Mexico to the USA, and laws, treaties, and the US Constitution have nothing to do with it. The people will come because the Federal Government wants more non-White citizens. And they will have them, the US Constitution nothwithstanding. The States have been reduced to weak and powerless political entities, and can do NOTHING to change the status quo.
@Stwatubes, Where politics fail the guns prevail. Imagine, if you will, a million or so, unemployed, angry, sons of bitches, taking up their guns, and securing the border with Mexico. Let's call them the USA Citizens Unorganized Militia. The media, will , of course, ignore them.
@gunnyranger2 nooooo it'd be racist to allow cops to stop legal citizens and take them to ICE unless they carry a birth certificate! Do you carry one right now?? no. The case is not protecting yourselves. Most the bill is fantastic. Just not the part that allows them to single out people or require citizens carry ID. If a citizen is stopped with no ID... what happens? They get taken to ICE and held with no proof of a crime until they proof they were born here. Welcome to Nazi Germany/Arizona
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borderraven 1 year ago
I believe you mean article 3 section 2 which pretty much bars lower courts from deciding on cases such as this, in other words the only court who had the authority to issue an injunction and block portions of the law is the Supreme Court.
1776blues 1 year ago
@1776blues, No, the US District Court of Arizona was the proper venue to take the cases. Next will be at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, in San Francisco which holds jurisdiction over Arizona. Lastly the Supreme Court will be the final venue for appeal, but only needed. Since AZ is appealing a USDCAZ ruling, then AZ wants 9thCCA to over turn Bolton's ruling. I expect 9thCCA will reverse Bolton and Feds won't challenge. Expect decision before November2010.
borderraven 1 year ago
If all of the parts of the law were constitutional, it would be taking effect in it's original form.
The fact that a federal judge who's sole duty was to determine whether or not parts of the law conflict with the constitution has declared parts of it unconstitutional should be proof enough.
briantotse3 1 year ago
@briantotse3, It is constitutional, but wait for the appeal.
borderraven 1 year ago
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@borderraven
And what will you say if the appeal fails?
briantotse3 1 year ago
ALL PEOPLE IN THE US MUST BRING A VALID GREEN CARD OTHERWISE MUST BE SENT TO JAIL....
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IS A CRIME....THEY MUST BE DEPORTED!!!
NO AMNESTY!!!
poiuytrewq6641 1 year ago
Seriously, what do you expect from a state full of redneck's...
I live in Mexico and never want to visit or live in a country where im not welcome...
oXGaMeRXo 1 year ago
@oXGaMeRXo, judging by the protests, Arizona is not full of rednecks.
You are welcome to come to the USA, just learn and obey our laws, and we won't arrest or deport you.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven of course i would respect your laws, but i dont want to go even legally if some cop pulls me over and asks me for my papers just for my skin color, that's racist, USA was founded almost entirely by immigrants and they are US main workforce. I hope you guys could understand that, but no... not in the real world... i reccomend you listen a song called Frijolero by Molotov, then maybe you will understand every horrible thing an immigrant goes through. greets from Mexico.
oXGaMeRXo 1 year ago
@oXGaMeRXo, if a cop pulls you over for being brown then you have a complaint.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven could you explain yourself?, didnt get it. sorry.
oXGaMeRXo 1 year ago
@oXGaMeRXo
I agree is sucks to be asked for proof of citizenship if you meet "criteria" of an illegal when you're in an area that has a high rate of illegal immigrants. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty. If you are arrested or worse without given the opportunity to prove yourself innocent then that would be wrong in this country. People get accused of things in this country all the time because they fit the description or criteria of someone else. It sucks, but
ChrisBeaver24 1 year ago
@ChrisBeaver24
if I have to take 30 seconds to prove my innocents of something then its not that bad. I get asked to show my ID all the time for lots of different things. To get asked to show "papers" you have to have broken a law in the first place. It is NOT legal for a cop to stop someone and ask for "papers" just because they look Mexican. But once stopped for breaking a law, a white man will probably not get asked for papers in an area with high rate of Mexican illegals.
ChrisBeaver24 1 year ago
@ChrisBeaver24
So I see where the problem stems. How are law enforcement to find illegal immigrants in this country when they look like a lot of Americans? Asking for some sort of proof you have permission to be here, or are a citizen is one easy alternative to just arresting everyone who "looks" Mexican that happen to be in the area. There is no perfect way of doing it that will please everyone. People should be treated as people and not animals, and American laws exist to protect AMERICANS
ChrisBeaver24 1 year ago
@ChrisBeaver24, Have ever know a cop to sop anybody and not ask for your name and ID? I've been stooped and every cop wants ID.
borderraven 1 year ago
SB1070 is unconstitutional because people who have been arrested and found innocent of any charges to be detained indefinitely until they have proven their immigration status. This is a clear violation of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments.
DavidForthoffer 1 year ago
@DavidForthoffer, SB 1070 has been reached and exercised, by the time a person has been arrested.
In 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court handed down a unanimous decision in Muehler v. Mena that questioning someone regarding their immigration status is not a violation of Fourth Amendment rights - provided that person is already lawfully detained.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven: Muehler v. Mena is irrelevant. Mena's point is that police may QUESTION someone who has been detained. It sounds like we both agree police have that right. My point is that police do not have the right to PUNISH a person for not proving their immigration status, even though SB1070 says otherwise.
DavidForthoffer 1 year ago
@DavidForthoffer, What punishment do Arizona police inflict under SB 1070?
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven: The punishment that Arizona police are required to inflict is to keep a person in jail until they prove their innocence of the crime of not being an illegal alien, even after they have been found innocent, or paid any fine due, or served all required time.
DavidForthoffer 1 year ago
@DavidForthoffer, Life is a bitch! Carry your ID or face the consequences. I carry 4
photo ID: DL, passport, Retired military ID, and Veteran's Medical ID. Kids today should have ID at all times. Pets have ID. You don't want to lose a child or pet, right?
borderraven 1 year ago
SB1070 is unconstitutional because it infringes on the sovereign authority of the Federal government over matters of foreign policy, of which immigration is one. The individual states DO NOT have the right to draft their own foreign policies. The Department of Justice has announced that it will challenge Arizona’s controversial immigration law SB 1070, it will not survive the legal challenge from the federal government.
AmericanBosniak 1 year ago
@AmericanBosniak, Arizona didn't invent new immigration laws. Arizona only delegated to their officers state authority to follow the US federal immigration policy (287(g) as defined in 8USC1357.
See US Codes gpoaccessDOTgov/uscode/
8USC1357
8USC1357(a)
8USC1357(g)
8USC1357(g)(8)
8USC1357(g)(9)
8USC1357(g)(10)(a) <<<
8USC1357(g)(10)(b) <<<
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven The States do not have the right to delegate Federal authority to their officers. The Department of Justice is attacking SB1070 on such grounds.
AmericanBosniak 1 year ago
@AmericanBosniak, the federal government got its power and authority from the states, but under the 9th and 10th Amendments the People retain control.
Last four words of the 10th Amendment are, "or to the people."
Also, under Article 1 Section 10, "States may engage in war when actually invaded," Arizona is being invaded by armed drug cartels and unarmed illegals.
Art 4 Sec 4 says "Each State shall protect the Union of States."
I thought you claimed to have read the US Constitution.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven Ah the nuts 10ther interpretation ignoring any and all legal precedent. And according to the FBI, the number of violent crimes reported in Arizona between 2005 and 2008 dropped by almost 1500 while the number of reported property crimes during the same time period decreased by 8000.
AmericanBosniak 1 year ago
@borderraven The 10th Amendment, which says that powers not expressly granted to the feds remain in the hands of the states. Ah, but there's a conundrum! It's Article 3, which gives the Supreme Court the power to say whether a law oversteps the powers designated to the Federal Government.
AmericanBosniak 1 year ago
@borderraven Believe it or not, the Founders never intended for the most reactionary law enforcement personnel in the country to decide disputes between the states and the central government, so they created a court to do that job. It's one of the enumerated powers in the Constitution!
AmericanBosniak 1 year ago
@borderraven: "or to the people" does NOT mean the states.
DavidForthoffer 1 year ago
@DavidForthoffer, Correct. "or to the people" preserves the power of the people over the elected government.
borderraven 1 year ago
@utube917,
Article 1 Section 10 of the US Constitution says, [PARAPHRASED]
"every state in the union, shall, without the Consent of Congress, keep
Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, or engage in War, when
actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."
borderraven 1 year ago
@utube917, the border is about 1 inch wide. The double-fence is probably 200 feet wide from the border. Anywhere in Arizona 200 feet from the border the state has jurisdiction to enforce all laws. Article 4 Section 4 of the US Constitution says, [PARAPHRASED] "every state in the union, is responsible to every state in the union, for securing our union against invasion."
borderraven 1 year ago
They're not invading the country idiot.
1828 Websters Dictionary:
INVA'SION, n. s as z. [L. invasio, from invado. See Invade.]
1. A hostile entrance into the possessions of another; particularly, the entrance of a hostile army into a country for the purpose of conquest or plunder, or the attack of a military force. The north of England and south of Scotland were for centuries subject to invasion, each from the other. The invasion of England by William the Norman, was in 1066
jfsfrnd 1 year ago
@jfsfrnd , ok then they're colonizing
col·o·nize (kl-nz)
v. col·o·nized, col·o·niz·ing, col·o·niz·es
v.tr.
1. To form or establish a colony or colonies in.
2. To migrate to and settle in; occupy as a colony.
3. To resettle or confine (persons) in or as if in a colony.
4. To subjugate (a population) to or as if to a colonial government.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven No they're not colonizing. That's what we did.
jfsfrnd 1 year ago
@jfsfrnd, they are here occupying our territory and won't leave. They breed. More keep coming. They have consular representation by their government. Their government gives them an ID card that our banks accept. Our citizens are suffering Stockholm Syndrome, and sympathizing with them.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven Who is "they"?
jfsfrnd 1 year ago
@jfsfrnd, They are the illegals.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven Sympathizing with them? That's probably because most of them are good people.
jfsfrnd 1 year ago
@jfsfrnd, under the 14th Amendment the laws are applied equally to everyone in order to protect the US citizens. The laws cannot be applied only to the bad illegal aliens, without violating the 14th Amendment.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven Why not? Aren't laws applied to "bad" Americans who break the law? Does that violate the 14th Amendment?
jfsfrnd 1 year ago
@jfsfrnd, Under the 14th Amendment the laws are to be applied equally. When the laws are not applied equally, the civil rights of the citizens are violated.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven So which laws are you talking about?
jfsfrnd 1 year ago
@jfsfrnd, Watch the video and read the notes I posted in information.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven I'll do that whe I have time. This video has been removed:
"LATE BREAKING NEWS! APRIL 30 2010
AZ Lawmakers amend language of SB 1070"
jfsfrnd 1 year ago
@utube917, So are you saying if anyone gets past the Border Patrol, then ICE is the only agency who can arrest them? How far from the border does the BP lose jurisdiction and ICE has jurisdiction, 30-miles, 50-miles, 100-miles? I see the problem has gotten out of control. The government ignored it and the illegals increased the rate of crossings. Unless your "immigrants" go peaceably, I only see Martial Law as the solution.
borderraven 1 year ago
@utube917, I'm getting the impression you feel the Arizona law is constitutional, but enforcement of the law may be a civil rights violation by some cops -- not all cops. Only time will tell and every stop and arrest will require scrutiny and explanation. I suggest people who feel violated by the cops file a grand jury complaint with the local attorney general and also speaking at city council meetings..
borderraven 1 year ago
@utube917, If a cop pulls me over, and says the license plate light looked dim, I'd step out and look at it myself, and just fuck with the cops time. "Hey, officer your turn signals are inoperative."
borderraven 1 year ago
@utube917, In my younger days I got stopped, for a violation myself 8 times, and as a passenger when a headlight was out, we got stopped twice in the same hour, in Coronado, CA at mid-night. Rodney King was not racially profiled. He was high on drugs, speeding and led the cops on a long chase. Yes he a beat down, but then he was on his knees and would not prone out. True the incident exceeded the point where I would have tied to get up and run for survival. Now I drive safe 15+years.
borderraven 1 year ago
@utube917, yes I believe cops won't racial profile under SB1070. Cops need you to give them a reason for a stop. How often do Pomona cops stop you? Do you keep a count on a calendar? Do you know cops only stop 2 percent of the drivers -- unless there is a DUI/Safety checkpoint? SB 1070 goes into effect in 49 days, I'm willing to wait and see how it goes for a year, and how effectively it motivates the illegals to leave. If the law is applied equally, then it protects equally.
borderraven 1 year ago
@utube917, I should tell you 1) I live in California, and 2) I don't burn crosses. So now you. Be warned.
What do you find wrong with the Arizona law?
Can you prove your point?
borderraven 1 year ago
@utube917, you make the point SB1070, as mended by HB2162, is racist, then will you please quote the sentence which you consider racist, or are you just a retard?
US Constitution Article 4 Section 4 says every state in the Union is responsible for protecting every state in the Union. This constitutional duty goes to every political subdivision in the state, down to the local police who have first contact with people and who intimately know every neighborhood.
borderraven 1 year ago
@utube917, the Arizona law is not racist. All you can do is claim everything is racist. What a loser. Please boycott, then we'll replace you with able-bodied American citizen workers at every level. SB 1070 is not intended for stopping illegals at the border, but is a "detection" tool for finding illegals. Article 4 Section 4 makes it a state responsibility to detect illegals, and that means the cops can do what Arizona law says.
borderraven 1 year ago
Learn to read it's unconstitutional. LOL
Mr09camaro 1 year ago
@Mr09camaro, ok, then you will tell me how it is unconstitutional.
borderraven 1 year ago
@Mr09camaro, I asked you to prove SB1070 is racist. How is it going?
borderraven 1 year ago
I hope OSAMA Finishes All of you Off. God Bless Allah and the Towel Heads. Fuck The United States. Long live the REAL America
eddieboy1234 1 year ago
"Senate Bill 1070 is an insurance policy for capitalism, a way to ensure
that the cheap labor that serves the foundation of the new economy
remains cheap forever. House Bill 2281 is part of a package deal." (Paul Ortiz, Truthout)
tvciudadana 1 year ago
WHAT YOU AT? YOU ALL ABOUNCH OF FUCKIN ASSHOLES. YOU KNOW WHY? YOU DO'NT HAVE THE GUTS TO BE WHAT YOU WANNA BE!! YOU NEED PEOPLE LIKE ME. SO YOU CAN POINT YOUR FUCKIN' FINGERS AND SAY, 'THAT'S THE BAD GUY. SO... WHAT THAT MAKE YOU? GOOD? YOU'RE NOT GOOD. YOU JUST KNOW HOW TO HIDE HOW TO LIES WITH YOURS SB1070 FASCISM.IGNORANT!!
TheChilandf 1 year ago
@TheChilandf buh bye asswipe!
borderraven 1 year ago
ME, I DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. PROBLEM. ME, I ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH!! EVEN WHEN I LIE SO SAY GOOD NEWS TO THE BAD GUY!! COME ON ... THE LAST TIME YOU GONNA SEE A BAD GUY LIKE THIS AGAIN LET ME TELL YOU. COME ON MAKE WAY FOR THE BAD GUY. THERES A BAD GUY COMIN THROUGH! BETTER GET OUTTA HIS WAY.. WITH YOURS SB1070 RASISMS...
TheChilandf 1 year ago
SO YOU CAN POINT YOUR FUCKIN' FINGERS AND SAY, 'THAT'S THE BAD GUY. SO... WHAT THAT MAKE YOU? GOOD? YOU'RE NOT GOOD... YOU JUST KNOW HOW TO HIDE HOW TO LIES...SB1070 FASCISM...
TheChilandf 1 year ago
WHAT YOU LOOKING AT? YOU ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING ASSHOLES. YOU KNOW WHY? YOU DON'T HAVE THE GUTS TO BE WHAT YOU WANNA BE!
TheChilandf 1 year ago
THIS IS AMERICA NOT GERMANY FASCISM OR ENGLAND WHIT KINGS AND TEA WHITE PARTY REMEMBER THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION AND SEND TO SEA THE WHITE TEA THE PEOPLE AMERICAN RAISING OUR AMERICAN FLAG AND NOT THE NAZI FLAG.AMERICA IS LAND OF INMIGRANTS REMEMBER THE MAY FLOWERS AND THE TANKS GIVINGS I'M GERONIMO AND HAVE MORE HISTORY WHAT YOURS PILGRIMS AND YOUR MAY FLOWERS...
TheChilandf 1 year ago
@TheChilandf, STOP USING ALL CAPS!
The USA is not Nazi Germany and Arizona SB1070, as amended by HB2162, is nothing near what Nazi Germany was like in WW2. Nazi Germany was under Martial Law, during war time -- Something the USA should be under now, so you idiots would gain an appreciation of Liberty.
In Arizona, you literally have to give a cop probable cause to detain or stop you. Only after a lawful stop, can a cop, then question your "lawful presence".
Can you prove "lawful presence"?
borderraven 1 year ago
my city of costa mesa, orange county CA (pop. 110,000, give or take) sends back over 3,000 illegals each year. the same law is on a federal level, being enforced everywhere. i don't even want to look at how many neighboring fountain valley, santa ana and huntington beach, because it is probably wayyyyy more. go try sneaking into mexico, they kill you. we send you home.
mbenson2790 1 year ago
I love Immigrants...The new MISS USA 2010 is a Immigrant ARAB- woman RIMA FAKIH. Immigrants get barrers but the history says they will win, always.
USA is land of Immigrants like RIMA FAKIH. Forza Italy...T Capistrano
Poor ARIZONA...so far of GOD with a governor with A lastname of BEER.
CAPISTRANTOMAS 1 year ago
@CAPISTRANTOMAS
Right! And that person with an alcoholic surname has drank one too many of her own brew...
tvciudadana 1 year ago
Doesn't U.S. immigration law require non-resident aliens to produce I.D. when asked? To my knowledge, the Arizona law only gives law enforcement additional tools to identify non-resident "illegal" aliens after they've already been detained for other alleged crimes, and then only after probable cause has been established. After they're detained, the officer must have reasonable suspicion that the detainee is in the country illegally before he can ask for I.D.
NAGGERNUTZ 1 year ago
@NAGGERNUTZ, Exactly correct!
borderraven 1 year ago
And as you try to trade rights and freedoms for security like a good sheep you can count on true patriots to do the right thing and throw off your government and fight... I'll be blocking your ignorance now. I simply have better things to do. We've set up our studio and I'll be releasing videos of professional quality soon with quotes from the federalist papers.
crispymidget 1 year ago
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, "
the purpose of government... specifically ours, is to protect rights. You may go on ignoring reality, but you're plainly stupid in doing so. Do you have brain damage? a learning disability? You're insane.
crispymidget 1 year ago
I'm so proud to be a part of a nat'l heritage that resists 'constitutional' with what we can agree is moral. No one of us can contest that our nation was born out of the annihilation of native peoples, the enslavement of blacks, & the subordination of women, while privileging of those with money. Yet, it is through our courage that Americans new & old have resisted immoral laws & subjugation.
It pains me to hear this same old racist rhetoric regurgitated & re-presented as if it were at all new.
diepiriye 1 year ago
America is on conquered lands won in battles to the death, and those persons born on the conquered land to the citizens of the conquered lands, are the citizens. We are not "immigrants"! We own this land! The children born on this conquered land to non-citizens are the nationalities of their parents! Take your illegal alien butts, children too, sell your property, pack your bags and get off our land! Read Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848) , ARTICLES V, IX and XVI.
borderraven 1 year ago
This whole video is a complete mess of horse shit misquotes aaaaand. You miss the point. Nobody AMERICAN is against 99% of it. Just the parts that allow police to abuse people's civilian rights (There's video proof of it already)... and we want to protect our citizens. Fuck the illegals. We don't want another person brought to ICE because they didn't bring their birth certificate with them. THERE IS NO AUTHORIZATION IN THE CONSTITUTION TO MANDATE CITIZENS ID THEMSELVES WITH NO PROOF OF CRIME.
crispymidget 1 year ago
@crispymidget See the notes for this video and visit the links too. You missed the part of the US Constitution where the legislature makes laws. Aliens must carry ID. I carry 4 photo ID and have no problems showing to cops if it protects the USA. The police should hold ID checkpoints over the next 5 years and ID everybody who goes into a sports arena, train station, airport, and shopping mall. We need to run off the illegals.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven Oh so you like Nazi Germany? Fantastic. "those who sacrifice freedoms for security will lose both" Benjamin Franklen. If you want to repeat the mistakes of history I suppose you can try to do it... I'll have my patriot gun pointed right at you.
crispymidget 1 year ago
@borderraven and your photo ID would not be enough. You'd have to take a birth cert.... have fun in ICE.
crispymidget 1 year ago
ooooh and by the way. I saw you mentioning something about United nations rulings. Yeh. We have the constitution. The United Nations can suck it. They don't have jurisdiction to overrule our constitution here. END OF STORY!
and nobody is saying don't protect, don't arrest illegals, ect... the means by which they require ID is the only thing that the ACLU, the president, The Libertarian party, SUPREME COURT JUDGE Napolitano and a vast army of other TRUE PATRIOTS don't like.
crispymidget 1 year ago
@crispymidget, What did I say about the United Nations?
borderraven 1 year ago
@crispymidget, I mentioned the UN's Human Rights for Aliens, and yes it applies to the USA under US Constitution Article 6 "all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land"
Any treaty Obama or Hillary Clinton, signs will be bound to the Constitution. If she signs a UN treaty to ban handguns or share gun registration, it is US LAW!
Arizona amended the law.
FYI-JUDGE Napolitano was never on the SUPREME COURT.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven you continue to talk out your ass. Apart from the Napalitano comment. That is true and no I am sorry. If you think that at any point that Obama or hi-larry can make treaties that are in contrary to the constitution and have them valid then you are wrong.
crispymidget 1 year ago
As a graduate of the Cato Institute I can assure you none of the above mentioned articles say anything authorizing the state to mandate carrying a birth certificate or any ID.... sorry, but you're completely wrong and even the sections that talk about protection from invasion is specifically talking about the federal government. That is one of the few limited and legitimate roles of the federal government... you're truly ignorant aren't you?
crispymidget 1 year ago
See the notes for this video and visit the links too.
borderraven 1 year ago
LOVE IT!!! WAY TO GO!!!...i get a kick out of some of the comments you received!!!
paddywtf 1 year ago
@paddywtf plus I treat them to patriotic American music -- it must make their ears bleed. :)
borderraven 1 year ago
Your video is irrelevant to the topic. AZ SB 1070 has nothing to do with immigration since there are already laws that give police authority to turn aliens to ICE.
Az SB 1070 is about power and control. It's about partisan politics and all the nasty vile corrupt issues that tag along with it.
tuopinas 1 year ago
@tuopinas, AZ SB 1070 only grants to local and state police under state law, those powers granted to federal officers under federal law. Read US Constitution Article 4 Section 4, which basically says, "Every state in the union, is responsible to every state in the union, for securing our union against INVASION."
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven federal matter. and if you're ignorant enough to think that the constitution is something only government deity can decipher then you're as unAmerican as they come. You think it's patriotic to authorize random search and seizure? Sorry but there is no constitutional authority granted to require ID of citizens and what happens when a citizen gets stopped with no ID now? They get taken to ICE and somebody has to bring them their birth certificate. You're insane.
crispymidget 1 year ago
@borderraven what the fuck constitution are you reading??? That isn't what it says at all. It simply states that one of the few legit powers granted the federal government is the formation of an army to protect the states form invasion. Even under the craziest stretch (which you show) that does not imply that the states can mandate ID for citizens. If you missed it. THAT'S THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL PART!!! the rest is fantastic.
crispymidget 1 year ago
@crispymidget, I love to burst your bubble on this point. Article 4 is about States Relations, and Article 4 Section 4 is NOT a federal responsibility.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven WRONG! that's the conclusion I'd expect from an ignorant moron. I'd call you an idiot, but you seem to have some intellect.
crispymidget 1 year ago
This is about people migrating from Mexico to the USA, and laws, treaties, and the US Constitution have nothing to do with it. The people will come because the Federal Government wants more non-White citizens. And they will have them, the US Constitution nothwithstanding. The States have been reduced to weak and powerless political entities, and can do NOTHING to change the status quo.
Stwatubes 1 year ago
@Stwatubes, Where politics fail the guns prevail. Imagine, if you will, a million or so, unemployed, angry, sons of bitches, taking up their guns, and securing the border with Mexico. Let's call them the USA Citizens Unorganized Militia. The media, will , of course, ignore them.
borderraven 1 year ago
@borderraven "The media, will , of course, ignore them."
Ah Hell, we'd all be Racists, if we try and stop the "Illegal invaders" from breaking the laws.
gunnyranger2 1 year ago
@gunnyranger2 nooooo it'd be racist to allow cops to stop legal citizens and take them to ICE unless they carry a birth certificate! Do you carry one right now?? no. The case is not protecting yourselves. Most the bill is fantastic. Just not the part that allows them to single out people or require citizens carry ID. If a citizen is stopped with no ID... what happens? They get taken to ICE and held with no proof of a crime until they proof they were born here. Welcome to Nazi Germany/Arizona
crispymidget 1 year ago
@crispymidget Fuck that agenda driven Bullshit you're spewing!
Americans want Illegals out now.
Don't wanna hear your whinny "It's not fair, BULLSHIT!
gunnyranger2 1 year ago