if any of you stupid hipsters start dissin' deadmau5 and skrillex imma be pissed. this is as good if not better but they're still great. @cryogenesis007 this comment wasn't against you man :)
@musicfolife1 now that you've mentioned deadmau5 and skrillex, i just remembered how shit they are and how they're ruining electronic music forever. ;)
El-B so frighentingly ahead of his time in terms of beats it's scary. If you heard this in a club at the time you'd realise how special his productions are. The guy is a beast. Changed the UKG game forever.
@SnifflyNose why are people saying stuff like this? check out 'arae' or 'svpreme' to start with. both american. soundcloud is the best place to find them.
@crutchex Its a cultural thing. The fact is that alot of americans got on the bandwagon when they heard tunes like cockney thug by rusko - with alot of emphasise on the bass and transformer sounds. I would recommend typing in brostep into the search bar to hear what rusko and alot of other uk heads have to say on the debate. Dubstep is so much more than bass.
@crutchex Do you know what bruv, you are the first american who has ever admitted anything of life and i applaud your humility and understanding. The reason for that is that North american have their own adaptation that is pre-occupied with bass effects. Not all North American artists are like this but the majority of what i've heard is. The thing is, as you alluded to, dubstep has such a long history here in the uk and the musical style has been through many different variations.
haha no point arguing about origins off dif music genres cause all off them came out my japs eye wooop.... dubstep was developed in london, if u dont believe me research it mutha fackers EL-B 1 original mutha fakka!!
@Dubheady Ye man same 2 u, I used to dj this stuff back in late 90s and early 00s and went on a us tour. Used to drop these 2-step rollage jams in the us dance floors and they were all like wtf is this shit ? Now they take dubstep and make a new heavy metal imitation of it. Most of those brostep cats dont even know what this is, its a shame. UK tings man
@Pomaori I'm not from the UK I'm from America just I discovered dubstep at a young age before it was all Americanized a.k.a ruined. Half the time I cant stand most the kids here with all there brostep n sxrillex crap lol,
@Skreeaamizm Well if thats how you choose to validate how good music is thats upto you. The fact is that dubstep is an amalgamation of 25 yrs (ish) of music history in the UK from jungle to DnB to Two Step to whatever you want to call todays UK bass music. You cant just learn the style overnight. Its a feel. To be honest all the Americans i've heard are just imitators, so why would i want an imitation ? UK bass has always been progressive and the progression will always come from within the UK
@Pomaori pretty ignorant to say that a music's progression is limited anywhere. Origins and dominance lie in the UK still but damn, very stupid musical statement
@twinpride34 No suprise your american. The foundations are in the UK and the UK style will always be progressed in the UK. The US have their own style of dubstep/brostep thats completely different to that of UK bass music and does not have the history or origins of the UK bass scene. The US scene will progress too but its a different style of music more orientated on bass wobbling effects.
@MissChivonne Dub/ 2-step is a culture and a way of life in london. Of course you can be from anywhere and make good music. But there is so much depth to the production of UK 2-step and there are so many different styles. All I am hearing out of the US is generic Rusko rip offs, just one style. Most US dubstep listeners dont even know the history of the music and pioneers like el-b. US dubstep is fucking terrible.
@MissChivonne Well, I live in greater london at the minute in romford. It's pretty shit to be honest, in romford, but london has the best music scene in the world in my opinion.
@Pomaori I agree that most US dubstep listeners don't know the history (or really anything for the matter) of dubstep. I don't agree that US dubstep is terrible though. Have you ever heard Noah D? Antiserum? Matty G? Check them out if you haven't.
@xXTRISTANXx dubstep/garage same thing really bruv, especially at this time. El-b is definitely one of the founders of dubstep, not necessarily garage.
well all the newer shit that ruined dubstep does suck. however they are all good producers. for example (and im not defending the guy) skrillex is a good producer but he makes horrible music. but he listens to mount kimbie etc. there just tryn to take an idea and build on it however there going the wrong irection.
@Boooshful I see what you mean but I don't see why you would honestly think that. Nothing he does is remotely original he has raped every idea from tech house and dubstep from deadmau5 and rusko. It's not that hard to be a good producer but just using someone elses ideas. But I suppose it takes some degree of skill.
@Pomaori i never disagreed with you and he is horrible. just crediting him for producing skills and not trying to argue. nothing good about him in his music sense.
@Boooshful And I agree with you I suppose I am not really one to comment as I have heard about two tunes which were awful. But I suppose it takes some skill to use a program and copy other peoples styles. Actually now I think of it, it doesn't take that much skill at all.
@MARCLAR187 Have some appreciation for REAL dubstep you fuck. All this wobble bullshit is ruining the genre, learn to listen to some DEEPER more INTELLECTUAL dubstep. some dubstep that actually has MUSICALITY. Here are some artist for start. Digital Mystikz, Mala, Kryptic Mindz, Silkie, Quest, Tunnidge, Ruckspin, Pinch, V.I.V.E.K, and my personal favorite, GOTH TRAD! Check out this song, Silkie - Beauty. Most beautiful and intellectual dubstep of all time, some real fucking music, no wobbles
@Cornbreadddd excuse me sir i was stating that he does not listen to intulectual dubstep, i much prefer mala dmz old skream youngsta and classic dubstep & dark garage then the shite that is being labelled dubstep today, sorry for the misunderstanding fine sir.
@MARCLAR187 Ahhh of course! My fault completely! I was trying to reply to his comment but instead I replied to your reply to his comment. If that makes any sense at all. Glad to know there are some TRUE dubstep lovers still around!
@Cornbreadddd and im 16, listning to dubstep since around 2006/7, annoys me now that everyone just suddenly jumped on the bandwagon because "dubstep" (skrillex and anything that sounds dirty or wobbles) is the new 'original hip thing'
I went all across the internet trying to snag this tune only to find out the only release is on vinyl and nowhere to be found :( I can see why, though
although i am the first to argue that dubstep doesnt have to sound like "wom wom yioy gagaga yiioooy" and that early stuff like digital mystiks is better than late rusko, I have to say everything about this track makes it like UK Garage from the rhythm/beat to the bass to the sampling style and its structural style without builds. Good track
Call it heavy metal if you like, a choon's a choon. I'd love to hear this kind of stuff out. Club dubstep/d&b all becomes a bit homogenous after a while.
@jamesroxursox What about it isn't dubstep? I don't want to assume things about you, but I'm assuming you are saying this because this track isn't brostep enough for you. Unlike brostep, this shit actually has something known as "creativity".
Brostep and all modern dubstep was born out of this man's(et al.) shit. Dubstep was originally a combination of garage and dub music(despite the fact that a lot of retards refer to dubstep as "dub" they are NOT the same thing). This is totally dubstep.
yo, if anyone wants to hear any new EL-B tunes you can download exclusive mixes and live shows of him, J DA FLEX, DJ RAGGS plus loads more Dj's playng the finest dubs on RAMP RADIO UK.
Nice werk <3
TruthIsWisdom19 1 week ago
This was tight!
TruthIsWisdom19 1 week ago
if any of you stupid hipsters start dissin' deadmau5 and skrillex imma be pissed. this is as good if not better but they're still great. @cryogenesis007 this comment wasn't against you man :)
musicfolife1 2 weeks ago
@musicfolife1 now that you've mentioned deadmau5 and skrillex, i just remembered how shit they are and how they're ruining electronic music forever. ;)
DOSAGEDUBZ 2 weeks ago
@DOSAGEDUBZ you blow
musicfolife1 2 weeks ago
Yeah man I remember 2step, crazy groove, defo UK stamp all over this and its banning! USA back then weren't ready for this.
cryogenesis007 3 weeks ago
sounds pretty much like garage but, it's got that dubstep feeling :)
HodgeYMusic 1 month ago
BEAUTIGARAGE
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Boooshful 1 month ago
this is garage.. not dubstep. still fucking amazing though!!
Nissanskyline007 1 month ago
El B, absolute legend, playin some old garage like this tonight,
tune into invasion radio tonight at 7pm gmt if you're into this kind of thing :-)
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INVASIONSN7 2 months ago
El-B so frighentingly ahead of his time in terms of beats it's scary. If you heard this in a club at the time you'd realise how special his productions are. The guy is a beast. Changed the UKG game forever.
JonasVanClaat 3 months ago 5
@JonasVanClaat tbf it was released in 2008 but his 2000ish tunes are really ahead of his time aswell
capitalismdubz 2 weeks ago
where can i download this?
eazypop 3 months ago
is there a hi-quality copy of this anywhere?
yro1106 3 months ago
It sucks living in the US, but enjoying UK music.
SnifflyNose 4 months ago
@SnifflyNose that's a-a-a-an invali-lid s-s-s-stateme-ent
OtherEdgar 4 months ago
@OtherEdgar I'm not even gonna bother arguing.
SnifflyNose 4 months ago
@SnifflyNose why are people saying stuff like this? check out 'arae' or 'svpreme' to start with. both american. soundcloud is the best place to find them.
retraluk 3 months ago
big
KY42O 5 months ago
el-b always makes amazing beats....theyre so infectious
RikkaaFord 5 months ago
Ok is it me the only one that hears the dude saying DJ Marley Marl? The sampled voice.....
MusicManiac314 5 months ago
@MusicManiac314 i hear that lol. how bout "keep them wanting more?
Deecypher3000 5 months ago
@Deecypher3000 Hahaha, ye ye, that might be it... Ty man...
MusicManiac314 5 months ago
@MusicManiac314 lol u ever tried de cyphering todd edwards vocals. thats a job
Deecypher3000 5 months ago
Repeat please
SionyTrev 5 months ago
its funny not many listen to el-b but now dubstep is getting big el-b is being heard now. awesome how shit works like that.
5ynyster89 5 months ago
I thought this was garage...
MrRenoawkward 6 months ago 5
funny this isn't even dubstep lol
DestinyxFreak45 7 months ago
super gay!!!!
vicker420 7 months ago
@vicker420 You must have a very low self esteem to say such a thing about yourself.
xAGRESS0Rx 6 months ago
someone recommend some old school dubstep pls ;)
manifatzigula 7 months ago
@manifatzigula
horsepower productions, anything from deep medi label
IcarusDubstep 6 months ago
whaaaaaat this is sooo awesome ....
manifatzigula 7 months ago
Its nice to see a dubstep video where people aren't arguing, jizzing, being 'raped by bass' and are enjoying the music instead. =p
realcoolking95 7 months ago
MMMMMMMMM im glad that dubstep like this dont have or over use the wobble effect, fuck all that wobble bullshit. Shout out from winfield, ILLINOIS!
mani333 8 months ago
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PerhapsToast2 8 months ago
Im in miami and even i have some knowledge of these cats i mean shit i like skrillex but this OVERKILLS whatever hes doing so there peace
officialcotsm 8 months ago
@crutchex Its a cultural thing. The fact is that alot of americans got on the bandwagon when they heard tunes like cockney thug by rusko - with alot of emphasise on the bass and transformer sounds. I would recommend typing in brostep into the search bar to hear what rusko and alot of other uk heads have to say on the debate. Dubstep is so much more than bass.
Pomaori 8 months ago
@crutchex Do you know what bruv, you are the first american who has ever admitted anything of life and i applaud your humility and understanding. The reason for that is that North american have their own adaptation that is pre-occupied with bass effects. Not all North American artists are like this but the majority of what i've heard is. The thing is, as you alluded to, dubstep has such a long history here in the uk and the musical style has been through many different variations.
Pomaori 8 months ago
haha no point arguing about origins off dif music genres cause all off them came out my japs eye wooop.... dubstep was developed in london, if u dont believe me research it mutha fackers EL-B 1 original mutha fakka!!
EazZiB 8 months ago
@Danjldub First release was Positive Vibes (2008) and the last one his album Origin (2010)
Skreeaamizm 8 months ago
Fuck brostep, Shout out to those who know what real dubstep is. Its a UK ting
Pomaori 9 months ago 27
@Pomaori You are my men :]
bless for true dubheads, bass lovers, no drugs, just music!
Dubheady 9 months ago
@Dubheady Ye man same 2 u, I used to dj this stuff back in late 90s and early 00s and went on a us tour. Used to drop these 2-step rollage jams in the us dance floors and they were all like wtf is this shit ? Now they take dubstep and make a new heavy metal imitation of it. Most of those brostep cats dont even know what this is, its a shame. UK tings man
Pomaori 9 months ago 16
@Pomaori I'm not from the UK I'm from America just I discovered dubstep at a young age before it was all Americanized a.k.a ruined. Half the time I cant stand most the kids here with all there brostep n sxrillex crap lol,
plueoo7 2 months ago
@Pomaori No way, there are some good american producers: try Matty G, Starkey, 6Blocc...Real Dubstep is basically the underground in America.
Skreeaamizm 9 months ago
@Skreeaamizm Why would i bother listening to them when i can listen to UK heads that are a million times better?
Pomaori 9 months ago
@Pomaori Matty G is used on dubstep allstars
Skreeaamizm 9 months ago
@Skreeaamizm Well if thats how you choose to validate how good music is thats upto you. The fact is that dubstep is an amalgamation of 25 yrs (ish) of music history in the UK from jungle to DnB to Two Step to whatever you want to call todays UK bass music. You cant just learn the style overnight. Its a feel. To be honest all the Americans i've heard are just imitators, so why would i want an imitation ? UK bass has always been progressive and the progression will always come from within the UK
Pomaori 9 months ago
@Pomaori that is true that the best ones come from the UK
Skreeaamizm 9 months ago
@Pomaori pretty ignorant to say that a music's progression is limited anywhere. Origins and dominance lie in the UK still but damn, very stupid musical statement
twinpride34 8 months ago
@twinpride34 No suprise your american. The foundations are in the UK and the UK style will always be progressed in the UK. The US have their own style of dubstep/brostep thats completely different to that of UK bass music and does not have the history or origins of the UK bass scene. The US scene will progress too but its a different style of music more orientated on bass wobbling effects.
Pomaori 8 months ago
@Pomaori ...Not all American producers are brostep. Good music is good music, whichever country it's from.
Look up:
Matty G - Dominator
Noah D - Seeerious
The Widdler - Dank Dub
Skreeaamizm 8 months ago
@Skreeaamizm Ye but thats just all imitation of stuff from the UK, rather have the real thing
Pomaori 8 months ago
@Pomaori well, close-mindedness must really get the best of you
Skreeaamizm 8 months ago
@Pomaori So whether a person is or is not an imitator is based on if they're from the US or UK? I find your thinking flawed.
MissChivonne 6 months ago
@MissChivonne Dub/ 2-step is a culture and a way of life in london. Of course you can be from anywhere and make good music. But there is so much depth to the production of UK 2-step and there are so many different styles. All I am hearing out of the US is generic Rusko rip offs, just one style. Most US dubstep listeners dont even know the history of the music and pioneers like el-b. US dubstep is fucking terrible.
Pomaori 6 months ago
@Pomaori Actually, that's really interesting. Are you from London? What's it like there?
MissChivonne 6 months ago
@MissChivonne Well, I live in greater london at the minute in romford. It's pretty shit to be honest, in romford, but london has the best music scene in the world in my opinion.
Pomaori 6 months ago
@Pomaori I agree that most US dubstep listeners don't know the history (or really anything for the matter) of dubstep. I don't agree that US dubstep is terrible though. Have you ever heard Noah D? Antiserum? Matty G? Check them out if you haven't.
mynameisjonas45 6 months ago
@mynameisjonas45 Noah D 's examination of time!
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@mynameisjonas45 Ye ive heard of them. They are decent but there are so many better producers from the UK that I would rather listen to
Pomaori 6 months ago
@mynameisjonas45 new zealand dubstep is good though and we know the history
SoWastedMusic 5 months ago
@Pomaori pretty sure this is garage
xXTRISTANXx 3 months ago
@xXTRISTANXx dubstep/garage same thing really bruv, especially at this time. El-b is definitely one of the founders of dubstep, not necessarily garage.
Pomaori 3 months ago
@Pomaori i agree on that.
xXTRISTANXx 3 months ago
well all the newer shit that ruined dubstep does suck. however they are all good producers. for example (and im not defending the guy) skrillex is a good producer but he makes horrible music. but he listens to mount kimbie etc. there just tryn to take an idea and build on it however there going the wrong irection.
Boooshful 1 month ago
@Boooshful I see what you mean but I don't see why you would honestly think that. Nothing he does is remotely original he has raped every idea from tech house and dubstep from deadmau5 and rusko. It's not that hard to be a good producer but just using someone elses ideas. But I suppose it takes some degree of skill.
Pomaori 1 month ago
@Pomaori i never disagreed with you and he is horrible. just crediting him for producing skills and not trying to argue. nothing good about him in his music sense.
Boooshful 1 month ago
@Boooshful And I agree with you I suppose I am not really one to comment as I have heard about two tunes which were awful. But I suppose it takes some skill to use a program and copy other peoples styles. Actually now I think of it, it doesn't take that much skill at all.
Pomaori 1 month ago
@Pomaori you still djing? if u banging out these kinda tunes u gtta tell me wher u at
thagreenchronic 1 month ago
BEAUTIFUL SOUNDS INDEED! :)
donutgekko 10 months ago
can anyone post up a torrent el b. i haven't been able to find anything by him in so long.
mehwiggles 11 months ago
wat a tune after buna zoot
mishabruml 1 year ago
karmav, fuck off and listen to sierra leone
MARCLAR187 1 year ago
@MARCLAR187 Have some appreciation for REAL dubstep you fuck. All this wobble bullshit is ruining the genre, learn to listen to some DEEPER more INTELLECTUAL dubstep. some dubstep that actually has MUSICALITY. Here are some artist for start. Digital Mystikz, Mala, Kryptic Mindz, Silkie, Quest, Tunnidge, Ruckspin, Pinch, V.I.V.E.K, and my personal favorite, GOTH TRAD! Check out this song, Silkie - Beauty. Most beautiful and intellectual dubstep of all time, some real fucking music, no wobbles
Cornbreadddd 7 months ago
@Cornbreadddd excuse me sir i was stating that he does not listen to intulectual dubstep, i much prefer mala dmz old skream youngsta and classic dubstep & dark garage then the shite that is being labelled dubstep today, sorry for the misunderstanding fine sir.
MARCLAR187 7 months ago
@MARCLAR187 Ahhh of course! My fault completely! I was trying to reply to his comment but instead I replied to your reply to his comment. If that makes any sense at all. Glad to know there are some TRUE dubstep lovers still around!
Cornbreadddd 7 months ago
@Cornbreadddd and im 16, listning to dubstep since around 2006/7, annoys me now that everyone just suddenly jumped on the bandwagon because "dubstep" (skrillex and anything that sounds dirty or wobbles) is the new 'original hip thing'
MARCLAR187 7 months ago
You can actually chill to this stuff. Not like the new stuff =s.
BuffBRockstar 1 year ago
The Raiser of Dubstep ♥
TZBeatz 1 year ago
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TheseYeahThese 1 year ago
I went all across the internet trying to snag this tune only to find out the only release is on vinyl and nowhere to be found :( I can see why, though
AllNightDayDream 1 year ago
@AllNightDayDream google "youtube to mp3"
vertoxz123 1 year ago
@vertoxz123 Nah something like this demands a little more quality knawameen?
AllNightDayDream 1 year ago
@AllNightDayDream good luck finding it then >_>...
vertoxz123 1 year ago
Didn't realise this got a release. Lewis gave this to me on DAT a decade back and now I find it on Youtube. Good times.
CrazieLee 1 year ago
There is absolutely nothing dubstep ,whatsoever about this song.
karmaV 1 year ago
@karmaV enjoying the bandwagon?
DuppyDubstep 1 year ago 27
@karmaV Get back to UKFbrostep
TrippyJellyfish 1 year ago 10
@TrippyJellyfish UKFgaystep
thecrzycallum 4 months ago 2
@karmaV not sure if a troll or just retarded.
allanispro 1 year ago
@karmaV
If you play it on 33, it magically turns into dubstep.
mikeb1444 1 year ago
@karmaV who called it dubstep?
yestoner 11 months ago
@karmaV thats because its 2-step garage.
Franbuas 11 months ago
@karmaV your wobble bass got left at the skrillex page you were just on..
weiners123 10 months ago 4
@karmaV you truly are a fucking moron
elef003 8 months ago
@karmaV GTFO
chadizz 8 months ago
@karmaV Dude you don't know what dubstep is.
BuffBRockstar 8 months ago
@karmaV because you don't know what dubstep is.
manicbeatss 7 months ago
@karmaV 8 months later, you're still stupid.
xAGRESS0Rx 6 months ago
@karmaV Oh god I just raged so hard.....
iiorpheus 4 months ago
El-B was one of the first dubstep artists...
But the genre on this one doesnt matter
laurin123 1 year ago
Nice two-step tune this aint dubstep
Magicmanny 1 year ago
Two-step is what I live for.
h00pdr34mZ 1 year ago
Fucking great sound (aptly enough...)!
sasquash12 1 year ago
Garage 100%. The beat is a simple (but great) 2step and very El-B.
serox1 1 year ago 2
i like this but its pretty dire through my headphones :/
dingdong131091 1 year ago
big track! love the vocals
kontigobeats 1 year ago
me and my stereo are coming__o_0
andremala91 1 year ago
although i am the first to argue that dubstep doesnt have to sound like "wom wom yioy gagaga yiioooy" and that early stuff like digital mystiks is better than late rusko, I have to say everything about this track makes it like UK Garage from the rhythm/beat to the bass to the sampling style and its structural style without builds. Good track
Sensualsenior 1 year ago 9
@Sensualsenior "wom wom yioy gagaga yiioooy" Excellent.
dotspace77 1 year ago
@Sensualsenior spot on mate
Tablesantics 1 year ago
Mega like !
Alexthenameless 1 year ago
Call it heavy metal if you like, a choon's a choon. I'd love to hear this kind of stuff out. Club dubstep/d&b all becomes a bit homogenous after a while.
simonkilpin 1 year ago
this is dubstep it dont HAVE TO have wobbles and it dont HAVE TO be KICK WOBBLE SNARE WOBBLE:s if u make music ull understand me ....
XxKICKZxX 1 year ago
@XxKICKZxX I make music, and you sir are an idiot.
phybrid 1 year ago
@phybrid i feel sorry 4 u i posted somethink lyk 3 months ago or wat eva and ur replying to it now :s ur so lonely ........
XxKICKZxX 1 year ago
This aint fucking dubstep
jamesroxursox 1 year ago
@jamesroxursox What about it isn't dubstep? I don't want to assume things about you, but I'm assuming you are saying this because this track isn't brostep enough for you. Unlike brostep, this shit actually has something known as "creativity".
Brostep and all modern dubstep was born out of this man's(et al.) shit. Dubstep was originally a combination of garage and dub music(despite the fact that a lot of retards refer to dubstep as "dub" they are NOT the same thing). This is totally dubstep.
Smellypuce 1 year ago
@Smellypuce this isn't dubstep this is two step or garage and don't act all superior about a topic that people have discussed over and over again.
onesy1 1 year ago
@Smellypuce "What about it isn't dubstep?" The fact that it is a pile of 2-step. haha
dotspace77 1 year ago
@Smellypuce no.
yestoner 1 year ago
@Smellypuce just hang your head, go to wikipedia and read about the shit you dont know, its called uk garage
stickyhandss 1 year ago 2
classic material
tumblklaat 2 years ago
olllllllllllllllllllllllllllllld school love dis tune sssssssssssssssssssssssssseen!!
DTWIST1982 2 years ago
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Vicz2233 2 years ago
nice track reminds me of burial :)
roebrown 2 years ago
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burial was influenced by el-b you idiot.
kieranace 2 years ago
yeh alright man i didn't know chill.
roebrown 2 years ago 17
well be careful what you say bro. or the internet police will be on your back
kieranace 2 years ago
careful what you say
you sound like a dickhead
8TheDon 2 years ago 4
lol trigpeicejigs sick name jigga
Leedsreppin 2 years ago
LARGE
TrigPieceJigs 2 years ago
yo, if anyone wants to hear any new EL-B tunes you can download exclusive mixes and live shows of him, J DA FLEX, DJ RAGGS plus loads more Dj's playng the finest dubs on RAMP RADIO UK.
Renso55 2 years ago
best vocal sample
flyzforeyez 2 years ago
very garage.... sick though...
jtallen12345 3 years ago 10
@jtallen12345 this guy is the pioneer of dubstep which is pretty cool. that's why it sounds garageish ya-know?
iunnodiapeys 1 year ago
@iunnodiapeys you chat shittt
jakboi 1 year ago
ouuuuuuuuuuuu. beautiful sound! :)
henrix999 3 years ago 6