Lyons comes across as a bitter guy. His lack of self-control and personal attack on Jim Goldman shows a guy with an axe to grind. He also obliterated his own credibility. In contrast, Jim Goldman showed remarkable professionalism and self-control.
Lack of self control? DL is just passionate about what he believes and it shows. Why do Americans want their TV commentators to be so meek and well disciplined?
I have major issues with those that don't check, check, check, and recheck their information and sources before going on a nationally syndicated TV broadcast and spewing "the truth" about anything. Fact is Goldman was wrong and instead of being all George Bush about he should just admit it and move on instead of Justifying his failures as a journalist. I for one would at least like to see news that is factual. Leave the BS and lies to the wannabe internet "journalists"!
@cesiumrnane, apple was the laughing stock only to those that got sucked into Gates' Microsoft Koolaid drinking party! Stock value has little to do with the success and failure of ANY company, much less Apple. Stocks were/are down with nearly every publicly traded company in the US and abroad...why should Apple be any different!...
steve jobs is the cornerstone apple. any serious investor in the company knows this.
apple was the laughing stock of the computer industry in the late 1980's hitherto 1997, following the microsoft deal. given jobs's health and the decadent american economy, apple is treading on thin ice in '09. the stock value now is less than half of what it was 3 quarters ago.
Job's health is pertinent when his health affects the stock price, investors deserve to know. We need more reporters like Dan Lyons and not coverup sycophants like Jim Goldman - Goldman is representative of why we don't trust the media - bury the Watergate scandal to earn brownie points.
I loved Dan's Fake Steve blog, and I still browse it from time to time. But honestly, as a reporter, he's an ass. I love how he once accused Steve of "acting like a child". Of course. And there's no childish tantrums in this video. He also said "If Steve is still running Apple at [the end of 2008], I'll be shocked." It's now 2009.
Yes, and not but 2 weeks into January, he takes a leave for 6 months. You really think he is going to be back? Come on - 2 weeks, and you are busting Dan's balls?
He's still technically CEO and he's still in charge of strategic operations, even outside Apple. He said so in his letter.
I'm not just busting Dan's balls for that; he's made all kinds of wildly inaccurate statements, and he still acts like he's a genius who knows everything.
There are two extremes, one is yours, the other is Lyons. I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
It's patently obvious that Jobs/Apple has not be completely honest about his state of health. The financial community has a strong case on why they should be privy to the status of the beloved CEO.
The fact is - the Dan Lyons are a direct product of Apple's actions. They have bred contempt - and I have a hard time feeling sorry for them, regardless of how ruthless it may be.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH JOBS. He looks healthier and more finely tuned than ever. This whole thing is a fucking ruse. Everyone on the show looks unhealthy compared to Jobs.
couldn't have said it better myself. Everyone BUT el stevo and that CNBC bureau chief are smoking the "greenie", you know, that "herb" you light on fire and inhale deeply.
Ohhh, burn! In that scrolling caption below, there should've been a "/popcorn" when all hell was breaking loose.
As tactless as it was, Dan had a point. Goldman called out Gizmodo, basically disparaging the integrity of the blog. Then he was proved to be wrong, then still had the nerve to say what he did was right.
I'm surprised we didn't have to order the fight on payperview; I think Dan acted jejune, and any point he may have had was lost amongst his child-like tantrum. While questioning whether or not Apple is "snowing" the consumers is a big deal, perhaps they should be worried about other things like: whether or not Jobs will recover, what's in the best interest of the company/stock holders, what's the future of Apple, etc? The question caused an incendiary, flippant debate; what was accomplished?
Much of the "news" in the USA involves "reporters" mind-numbingly spewing out whatever their sources/bosses tell them. How can someone get banned from a TV station for saying that someone else got things very wrong? (which he did, so that fella Dan was just telling the truth, however forcefully). Thats seriously messed up. Talk nonsense, the station defends you. Talk the truth, get banned. Go figure.
Dan wasn't exactly the most pleasant person on this video, but that doesn't excuse Goldman for relying on false sources and vehemently attacking alternative news sites and bloggers over this. He should apologize and not make lame attempts to reclaim his integrity. Come clean Goldman!
Goldman was totally punk'd. Anybody who sees the before and afters of Jobs can tell he is not well.
I think he's got Type 1 Diabetes, it all adds up. The weight loss, drinking a lot of water on stage, the cancer when they removed it would have killed a lot of beta cells that produce insulin. Jobs needs a better doctor!
Dan, which BTW freedom of speech which my i add before i curse you out. YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE! YOU ARE THE DOWNFALL OF SOCIETY BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR FUCKING ASSHOLE!
dan, you are a massive douchebag. you aren't edgy or hip. you are a parasite who sucks on those who are exponentially more famous, important, smart, attractive and relevant. you are none of those, which is clear from your uncouth manner in this interview.
I'm pretty sure even Steve doesn't know what's wrong at this point. Hence the statement released just a week ago saying it was just a hormone imbalance. Why would he do that knowing he was going to make the announcement this week that he was stepping down? Why blame Dan when it's clear Steve doesn't even know what's going on with himself?
And yeah, Dan did a great job, if what he was trying to do was look like a massive douche. He pulled that off expertly. So have you. Go suck a cock with AIDS.
You've been proven right Dan, bugger the American Mainstream Media
jaywontdart 3 months ago
and apparently im famous....
CashMoneyClique2444 1 year ago
GREAT VIDEO! Thanks for sharing!
Happy Trading!
StockMarketVideo 1 year ago
ha, Goldman is the only guy in silcon valley that wears a suit and he is the only one who doesn't get the joke.
pratt123 2 years ago
Lyons comes across as a bitter guy. His lack of self-control and personal attack on Jim Goldman shows a guy with an axe to grind. He also obliterated his own credibility. In contrast, Jim Goldman showed remarkable professionalism and self-control.
HawkTron 2 years ago
Lack of self control? DL is just passionate about what he believes and it shows. Why do Americans want their TV commentators to be so meek and well disciplined?
sanjayb0886 2 years ago
The IT industry is finished
Cherokee15676 2 years ago
Jim Goldman is the Larry kudlow of Silicon valley. The media hack for tech companies.
jprithvi 2 years ago
Both guys on the bottom are asshats, end of story.
leimeisei909 2 years ago
This is Awesome especially in light of Goldmans comparison with PC versus Apple recently!
Goldman is simply paid by Apple or the most stupid, gullible man alive. Take your pick!
jabberwolf 2 years ago 3
Dan Lyons - I admire what you did! That was a well deserved a punch in Goldman's face.
JaneLame 3 years ago 9
@JaneLame THANK YOU!!
CashMoneyClique2444 1 year ago
Lyons was a douchebag about the Linux thing, but he's right here: "if you're just going to believe press releases, what do we need a press for?"
LacusOdii 3 years ago
Lyons comes out GREAT on this
nolanistic 3 years ago 8
I have major issues with those that don't check, check, check, and recheck their information and sources before going on a nationally syndicated TV broadcast and spewing "the truth" about anything. Fact is Goldman was wrong and instead of being all George Bush about he should just admit it and move on instead of Justifying his failures as a journalist. I for one would at least like to see news that is factual. Leave the BS and lies to the wannabe internet "journalists"!
snapcridge 3 years ago 5
@cesiumrnane, apple was the laughing stock only to those that got sucked into Gates' Microsoft Koolaid drinking party! Stock value has little to do with the success and failure of ANY company, much less Apple. Stocks were/are down with nearly every publicly traded company in the US and abroad...why should Apple be any different!...
snapcridge 3 years ago
steve jobs is the cornerstone apple. any serious investor in the company knows this.
apple was the laughing stock of the computer industry in the late 1980's hitherto 1997, following the microsoft deal. given jobs's health and the decadent american economy, apple is treading on thin ice in '09. the stock value now is less than half of what it was 3 quarters ago.
cesiumrane 3 years ago
I love when reporters fight.
Dan is awesome.
Case closed.
zomgitsRACHEL 3 years ago 5
Of course, everybody on this comments page is cheering on Dan just because he wrote Fake Steve Jobs.
derektherock42 3 years ago
Or maybe they are Apple stockholders that have a bit of a grudge towards Jobs?
ecook 3 years ago
not me.
Bazza1025b 3 years ago
Job's health is pertinent when his health affects the stock price, investors deserve to know. We need more reporters like Dan Lyons and not coverup sycophants like Jim Goldman - Goldman is representative of why we don't trust the media - bury the Watergate scandal to earn brownie points.
wizardofozbythebeach 3 years ago 3
Since Apple is a public company, it is only fair that Apple reports on Steves gealth, not anonymous bloggers aka fake Steve.
JonBlond3000 3 years ago
First off...Job's health should not be an issue like this in the press...
the press and blog rumour writers are taking it too far...
saint00 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
"If Apple's going to release their own press reports, why do we need the press?
nice
dadoody 3 years ago
"If Apple's going to release their own press reports, why do we need the press?
nice
dadoody 3 years ago 3
Not only is Jim Goldman a fucking moron, he is also shit at his job.
bazmail 3 years ago 3
"...I'm a big boy, I can take it..." - Jim Goldman
Classic -- actually Jim Goldman is shorter than Ryan Seacrest. He is so arrogant in interviews -- total "little man syndrome".
CarMoves 3 years ago 3
I loved Dan's Fake Steve blog, and I still browse it from time to time. But honestly, as a reporter, he's an ass. I love how he once accused Steve of "acting like a child". Of course. And there's no childish tantrums in this video. He also said "If Steve is still running Apple at [the end of 2008], I'll be shocked." It's now 2009.
derektherock42 3 years ago
Yes, and not but 2 weeks into January, he takes a leave for 6 months. You really think he is going to be back? Come on - 2 weeks, and you are busting Dan's balls?
ecook 3 years ago
He's still technically CEO and he's still in charge of strategic operations, even outside Apple. He said so in his letter.
I'm not just busting Dan's balls for that; he's made all kinds of wildly inaccurate statements, and he still acts like he's a genius who knows everything.
derektherock42 3 years ago
There are two extremes, one is yours, the other is Lyons. I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
It's patently obvious that Jobs/Apple has not be completely honest about his state of health. The financial community has a strong case on why they should be privy to the status of the beloved CEO.
The fact is - the Dan Lyons are a direct product of Apple's actions. They have bred contempt - and I have a hard time feeling sorry for them, regardless of how ruthless it may be.
ecook 3 years ago
Good job Dan, Goldman has been an Apple suckup for years.
christmasfern 3 years ago
Minute 5:36
"If your just going to repeat press releases, why have the press?" - Dan Lyons
The most important question of the last 8yrs
Truth4Power 3 years ago 5
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH JOBS. He looks healthier and more finely tuned than ever. This whole thing is a fucking ruse. Everyone on the show looks unhealthy compared to Jobs.
w0r1dpeace 3 years ago
couldn't have said it better myself. Everyone BUT el stevo and that CNBC bureau chief are smoking the "greenie", you know, that "herb" you light on fire and inhale deeply.
breastplates 3 years ago
whatever.
w0r1dpeace 3 years ago
Ohhh, burn! In that scrolling caption below, there should've been a "/popcorn" when all hell was breaking loose.
As tactless as it was, Dan had a point. Goldman called out Gizmodo, basically disparaging the integrity of the blog. Then he was proved to be wrong, then still had the nerve to say what he did was right.
sugasugaki 3 years ago 2
Dan Lyons is the man.
Vagabonding 3 years ago 3
Dan Lyons WE LOVE YOU!
ThinkingDigital 3 years ago
I'm surprised we didn't have to order the fight on payperview; I think Dan acted jejune, and any point he may have had was lost amongst his child-like tantrum. While questioning whether or not Apple is "snowing" the consumers is a big deal, perhaps they should be worried about other things like: whether or not Jobs will recover, what's in the best interest of the company/stock holders, what's the future of Apple, etc? The question caused an incendiary, flippant debate; what was accomplished?
LeslieRevolutionary 3 years ago
Dan Lyons is great here. He totally tells Goldtard that he got his ass played.
optweb2k 3 years ago
its insane how big of a deal this is ha
davebos582 3 years ago
Much of the "news" in the USA involves "reporters" mind-numbingly spewing out whatever their sources/bosses tell them. How can someone get banned from a TV station for saying that someone else got things very wrong? (which he did, so that fella Dan was just telling the truth, however forcefully). Thats seriously messed up. Talk nonsense, the station defends you. Talk the truth, get banned. Go figure.
mebloomey 3 years ago
Dan Lyons is an asshole. Period.
BDDeuel 3 years ago
BDDeuel is an asshole. Period.
cc754 3 years ago
That's MISTER asshole to you. And only on alternating Sundays (and this is the wrong one). And don't you forget it, sport.
BDDeuel 3 years ago
Steve Jobs and I were making out in the car.
klchu 3 years ago 4
"Apologize to Gizmodo"
katatonic 3 years ago
Dan wasn't exactly the most pleasant person on this video, but that doesn't excuse Goldman for relying on false sources and vehemently attacking alternative news sites and bloggers over this. He should apologize and not make lame attempts to reclaim his integrity. Come clean Goldman!
aaronh97 3 years ago
Goldman blew it. He should admit it and get over himself.
radudeATL 3 years ago 3
I belive in Jim Goldman's integrity, Dan Lyons is a pretentios liar (come on, "fake steve jobs"!)
alexdumi82 3 years ago
Goldman was totally punk'd. Anybody who sees the before and afters of Jobs can tell he is not well.
I think he's got Type 1 Diabetes, it all adds up. The weight loss, drinking a lot of water on stage, the cancer when they removed it would have killed a lot of beta cells that produce insulin. Jobs needs a better doctor!
WolfieZero 3 years ago
Jim Goldman simply sucks! I want Fake Steve back :(
SwkProds 3 years ago
Dan, which BTW freedom of speech which my i add before i curse you out. YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE! YOU ARE THE DOWNFALL OF SOCIETY BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR FUCKING ASSHOLE!
now suck on my gay male chicken
andrewrede 3 years ago
dan, you are a massive douchebag. you aren't edgy or hip. you are a parasite who sucks on those who are exponentially more famous, important, smart, attractive and relevant. you are none of those, which is clear from your uncouth manner in this interview.
tl;dr go suck a big cock with aids.
phoneunlisted 3 years ago
You're wrong. Dan not only told the truth that Goldman got played and punk'd out he then went ahead and PUNKED him out on LIVE TV. haha
I guess it's easy to punk this dude Goldman out, huh?
haha
Big Daddy
BigDaddy1968 3 years ago 3
Dan is such a bitch
"You got played!" Dude, just shut the fuck up. So fuciking smug
Salcruz1337 3 years ago
Jim Goldman simply got it wrong and couldn't bring himself to admit it. Good work, Dan.
Peppery9 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure even Steve doesn't know what's wrong at this point. Hence the statement released just a week ago saying it was just a hormone imbalance. Why would he do that knowing he was going to make the announcement this week that he was stepping down? Why blame Dan when it's clear Steve doesn't even know what's going on with himself?
And yeah, Dan did a great job, if what he was trying to do was look like a massive douche. He pulled that off expertly. So have you. Go suck a cock with AIDS.
phoneunlisted 3 years ago
Why blame Jim, rather.
phoneunlisted 3 years ago
stock prices - that's why
SnarkFish 3 years ago
Jim Goldman got owned!
a1016neo 3 years ago 2
thats right!!
SwkProds 3 years ago
Go Dan. :D
Dyedude22 3 years ago