The stupidity of seeing politics in black and white -- Republicans are evil morons and Democrats are compassionate saints -- is clearly shown by the number of my gay friends (and I'm gay myself) who adore Obama, though he won't support gay marriage, while they call major Republicans like Lynn Cheney who DO go out on a limb to support gays and gay marriage "an old f*&kin c&#t".
Good thing next year Americans will have a chance to put someone who's at least minimally competent in the White Hse.
@Orgasmic, I bet you're a huge Obama fan, but neither of the Obamas -- UNLIKE the Cheneys and Laura and her daughter Barbara Bush -- have dared to speak in favor of same sex marriage. I bet you don't call Michelle "an obedient pawn of her husband" for not daring to address the issue. Like so many of my friends, you're childishly partisan. Wake up -- both parties have pro-gay and anti-gay people in them. To fail to see this is to be "an obedient pawn" of the Dem Party propaganda machine.
Glad this woman was so vocal when she was close to the President. Glad she took the initiative to change the country for the better. Glad she isn't an obedient pawn to her husand.
shes a bitch i hate her !!!!!!! if i see her i would kill da bitch................not because of wat she just said about gay marriages ....about eminem
also, you have offered no basis for your pre-supposition that homosexual behavior or gay marriage constitutes a civil rights or that defining it as such does, in fact, "benefit all society". By extension, in your logic, bi-sexual behavior is also a 'civil right' and bi-sexual marriage (or perhaps any form of marriage in your view) would similarly benefit society, right ? Obviously, there are tens of millions of people who would totally disagree with that claim (no doubts all bigots U think).
Same-sex marriage would aid the city because "married individuals tend to accumulate more wealth than single individuals" and that "married individuals are healthier on average and behave in healthier ways than single individuals" eq. avoid smoking and drinking. Being gay or straight has no bearing on one's ability to contribute to society.
Sexual orientation is a fundamental part of one's identity, the idea that it's a choice is simply outdated. They are an identifiable class.
@wul-socially those facts are well and true, but have little to do with the origins or definition of 'marriage'. Moreover, there are other alternatives legal means & instruments to accomplish those goals. Whether sex id is "a fundamental part of one' s identity" (i.e. is genetic/physiological) is debatable. Well into the 1970-1990's, the vast majority of the 'gay community' INSISTED it was their right to choose their own "LIFESTYLE" as they saw fit. Does a decade or two constitute so outdated?
@shieldsff Perhaps gays insist that to this day, most scholars in the field disagree. I am neither gay, nor an expect so i wouldn't be qualified. I am more concerned about the issue of marriage. Is making gay marriage illegal justified? the idea that marriage is between a man and a woman is formed by either a religious belief or some intrinsic value.
I think its wrong for any law to impose a religious belief, especially if it also discriminates a group.
@wullz16 I think it's wrong for the gov't to adopt an implied political dogma, i.e. that a gay union has no relevant differences from a real marriage. France and Japan have both rejected the "gay marriage" dogma, and it has nothing to do with religion, both of them being secularist nations.
In reality, the dogma that a gay union is the same as a real marriage is obviously false. Only the brain-dead and the victims of group-think accept that as truth.
@namordecai pfffft call it a political dogma, call it whatever you want. When you speculate nonesense about gay marriage being inferior to hetero's you lose credibility with me.
Of course it all stems from the bible. The religious citizens take this as a threat to their own faith and any politician with common sense will obviously avoid pushing these citizen's buttons. Rejecting gay marriage is an enormous vote saver.
@wullz16 Clearly, anyone that disagrees with your obviously false political dogma that a gay union is the same in all relevant ways to a real marriage, must have some character flaws. Either that, or they're rational.
@wullz16 Sure, as soon as you prove your political dogma that a gay union has no relevant differences from a real marriage. If you want a detailed analysis, you could look at the legal debate France went through. It was very informative. America, with our educational system designed to turn our youth into mindless drones, doesn't know what the hell is going on. Idiots. I don't believe you're sophisticated enough to comprehend simple things like the importance of biological parenthood.
@namordecai biggest non answer, if you attack other people's idea instead of explaining your own, you lack any insight into your own ideas. i've assumed with you right from the beginning that you lack any legitimate explanation. Your idea is nothing but a hypothesis, something that you cannot comprehend yourself.
@wullz16 Actually, my ideas match the arguments made by the French pretty well. In fact, our own government acknowledges the difference between biological parents and adopted, giving them different rights (GASP! They don't get equal treatment!). Prior to this idiotic "gay marriage" movement, the gov't was giving special treatment to married couples, because the state has an interest in two biological parents raising their own children. There are a myriad of reasons for that.
@wullz16 So when are you going to prove that a gay union has no relevant differences to a real marriage? You can't. It's an idiotic dogma for complete dolts and narcissistic elitist sheep.
@DragonGreenFire Wow. Holy hell. Any moron knows there's a difference. Most educated people who advocate for "gay marriage" will even admit there are relevant differences. You have to be brainwashed to think there are no relevant differences. It doesn't need an argument. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain.
@namordecai "You have to be brainwashed to think there are no relevant differences. It doesn't need an argument. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain."
In that case, it souldn't be to hard for you to present some.
@DragonGreenFire The gov't already recognizes the difference between biological parents and adoptive parents, treating them differently. Since real marriage has an inextricable connection to biological parenthood and since the gov't already treats biological parenthood differently, it's only rational to treat real marriage differently. You never complained about how the gov't treats adoptive parents differently than biological parents, which indicates you are aware the difference is relevant.
@namordecai BTW, this is circular logic. 'The goverment should treat homosexuals difrently because they are treated difrentlyby the goverment.'
"You never complained about how the gov't treats adoptive parents differently"
I also never mentioned gobal warming or the war in afganistan. I didn't mention it because it is not what we are debating. We are debating, 'Should homosexuals be allowed to marry.'
@DragonGreenFire You are a moron. That is NOT the question. The question is, should the gov't adopt a mindless political dogma that there are no relevant differences between a gay union and a real marriage. There was no circular logic here, other than in your mind.
@DragonGreenFire I know all about circular reasoning, and I wasn't remotely guilty of it. The way you presented my argument was a strawman. If you understood my argument, you would recognize it's not circular. It's completely linear.
@namordecai "which indicates you are aware the difference is relevant."
Or I didn't know that the goverment did this. Isn't it funny how first asumptions always seem to agree with what you want to be true? Also this is another unsubstaniated claim anyway, but the whole thing is off topic.
So many problems with this argument it took 3 comments to cover.
@namordecai Perhaps your view is entirely shaped on the notion that gov't already recognizes the difference between biological parents and adoptive parents, treating them differently. It seems you are behaving like a sheep to your own government's completely illogical, religious ideology that will inevitably collapse with logical inquiry. I'm sure biological parents have completely trivial differences. Seeing as job stability and education can outweigh any deluded nonsense that you propose.
@wullz16 "...I am sure biological parents have completely trivial differences." Please get educated on this. There is a reason the gov't screens adoptive parents. They don't do so arbitrarily.
and that sir, is where we differ. God wants me to be happy with whoever makes me happy. I am not gay, I am not straight. I fall in love with people. men or women. it just so happens that God sent me a woman who makes me very happy. And once again, dogs and humans cannot be compared. And if God sends me a man to fall in love with, so be it. But I'm not going to deprive myself of love just because some book that was written by a bunch of old men says I shouldn't "lie with another man"...
@micahismine The same guy you've been arguing with posted a response to an older comment I had made. My original post was to the effect of as a secure, married heterosexual male what difference is it to me whether or not gay people can marry each other. He went on a similar diatribe as the one he's been giving you about how it would be so terrible if in public schools they start teaching kids that homosexuality is ok, and that kids who are raised by gay parents would be more likely to be gay.
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo That's the point, they are NOT just teaching tolerance, they are brainwashing them. What is the point of showing kindergarten kids pictures of two men kissing?
@ualsdu7777 the point is so that they know that it's ok. so they don't walk through life sneering at gay poeple thinking that it's weird because they're ignorant about the subject. And if that's your argument, what's the point of showing a kinderkartener a picture of a man and a women kissing, or anyone kissing for that matter?
@micahismine Well I'm glad we're finally on the same page. I have nothing against teaching kids the REALITY of homosexuality in our society. Why should we conceal their existence? But that is NOT what the gay movement is doing, they're going a step further. As you said, what is the point of showing a picture of two men kissing, or any kind of kissing for that matter. That was my whole contention to begin with.
@micahismine Just so you know, the separation of church and state is in place to prevent religious zealots from exploiting government by way of religious principles. The Dark Ages is evidence of what evil Man is capable of doing in the name of religion. It however does not invalidate our Christian roots, that's why you will see the 10 commandments on the wall of our Supreme Court building. We are still a Christian nation.
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo I don't know if you read the prior messages above yours, so what do you have to say if prostitutes demanded the right to teach their profession in school? What if pornographers demand the right to showcase their films in any theatre near you? What if parents demand the right for their child to participate in child pornographic films to earn food for the table? Would all that be alright for you? If not, why?
@klyde2005 They do that in states that have already legalized gay marriage, even if it's against the will of their parents. So I guess it was okay to remove religion and prayer from the classrooms because not everyone may share the same faith, but it's okay now to evangelize to young kids that they can be gay when they grow up, even if their parents do not agree.
@ualsdu7777 Because I don't want my kids accepting any difference for that matter. I will start by telling them how being gay is wrong, then I will teach them that other kids who have two gay parents don't have a real family and should be made fun of, next I will teach them that people who are of mixed race/ethnicity are mud people are aren't really human beings. I also can't wait to teach them that handicapped people are pathetic and incomplete human beings. This is good stuff. I can't wait.
@tbone2872 I am merely pointing out that parents should have a say when schools teach their children a sensitive moral issue like homosexuality, which I know you do not agree is a moral issue. All your sarcasm just impress further in my mind how unreasonable far left liberals can be, making it impossible to carry an intelligent discussion.
@ualsdu7777 What sensitive moral issue is homosexuality. I also you assume that you are a christian. Why is it that christians by a large seem to conveniently ignore the tenant of Judge not yet ye be judged? I could only wish that my life was so easy and worry free that homosexuality was my biggest concern because that issue comes a distant last behind health, job, taxes, my marriage, my wife's health, our carreers, my mother's cancer, my father's heart issue, my car running, etc. etc.
@tbone2872 Judgemental is being conclusive about the character of a person without sufficient investigation. All I was pointing out was to show respect for people whose opinions differ from yours, like the parents of those children who now have to listen to what they believe is immoral. Clearly you reject fairness and think that everyone has to adopt and adapt to what you believe. And now, your disrespect towards me reveal you have judged me. So who's judgemental?
@ualsdu7777. I, first and foremost am a patriot who believes beyond all else that the beautiful thing about our enlightened democratic republic is the freedom to feel how we want about anything we want. Point out the exact place where I said you have to believe what I or anyone else does? I'll repeat point out where I said you should be forced to adopt the same beliefs as evryone else?
@tbone2872 Freedom is what we Americans are all about, but there are times when lines need to be drawn. Would you allow prostitutes to teach kids in school how to grow up and be a skillful whore? Would you allow parents to employ their children in child pornography just so they could put food on the table for the family? Would you condone bestiality as a valid sex practice? Tell me if the above are acceptable to you, and explain why.
@ualsdu7777 HOW DARE YOU COMPARE BEASTIALITY TO HOMOSEXUALITY. THAT'S SUCH AN OFFENSIVE AND IGNORANT THING TO SAY. SO BECAUSE I PREFER WOMEN, I OBVIOUSLY WOULD ALSO HAVE SEX WITH AN ANIMAL OR BE A PROSTITUTE...? I LAUGH A PETTY AND CHILDISH REMARKS LIKE THAT. I PRAY TO MY GOD WHO BY THE WAY LOVES EVERYTHING ABOUT ME INCLUDING THE FACT THAT I DONT JUDGE, THAT YOU FIND PEACE WITH YOURSELF ENOUGH TO NOT CONCERN YOURSELF WITH THINGS THAT DONT CONCERN YOU.
@micahismine Oh this doesn't concern me? I'm an American. I worry about our country's future. Kids being forced-taught that homosexuality is okay is a concern to me. Prostitution, bestiality, and child pornography are immoral, but homosexuality isn't? By what standards are you going by?
You don't think there are people who find homosexuality as repulsive, offensive, and aberrational? Your lop-sided morality is very convenient.
@ualsdu7777 well children being forced-taught that homosexuality is wrong is a concern to me. It's really sad that someone like you with such TWISTED MORALITY is allowed to have impressionable children who will have to learn from such a closed minded person like yourself. And FYI, I live my life for God and myself and I couldnt care less if someone else finds it repulsive. It's none of their business. Like I said, it doesn't concern you.
@micahismine Hey! We're on the same side here! I do NOT approve of children being foreced-taught homosexuality. Your living your life for God is my exact stance. Before you respond, could you please read the posts first before you attack?
@micahismine Oh I take it back, I remember you now. We are NOT on the same side. You claim you believe in God, and yet you selectively choose which precepts He provides to believe in. Well, God's laws are not for us to amend. So you would obey God's laws only if it's not inconvenient to your lifestyle. Got it.
@ualsdu7777 Bottom line is that it doesnt matter if you find it repulsive or acceptable or not. I live in america and I should have the same exact rights as eveyone else. What the hell does pornography or prostitutes have to do with me? Nothing. And I seriously doubt that my being married to my girlfriend would have any affect on the life you live honey. There was a time when blacks couldn't get married, when women couldn't vote. Like it or not times will always change. #GETOVERIT.
@ualsdu7777 Of course none of those things are acceptable to me. I will be happy to explain as soon as you answer the question I will now ask for the third time which is point out the exact place and/or verbage I used to say that you should adopt the same belief system as everyone else.
@tbone2872 You have been nothing but sarcastic, insulting, and combative since I made my first remark. Such animosity would be nonexistent had I shared your perspective. Clearly, it is because I do not adopt your belief system that makes you hostile towards me. It is therefore logical to conclude that if I agreed with you on all your points, your animosity would cease. Now please don't evade my question.
@ualsdu7777 ?????? I simply asked where are you getting the notion that I said you have to adopt the same belief system as anyone else. I can assure you if their is any percieved sarcasm or combativeness it is just that percieved. Calm down.
@tbone2872 Alright, then I stand corrected. You weren't sarcastic or combative. And I apologize for my mistake. And I am calm, have always been. I answered your question, now can you answer mine?
@tbone2872 You said, "I will teach them that people who are of mixed race ethnicity are mud people are aren't really human beings. I also can't wait to teach them that handicapped people are pathetic and incomplete human beings. This is good stuff. I can't wait." That isn't sarcasm? Once again, stop evading my question.
@tbone2872 You said "I also can't wait to teach them that handicapped people are pathetic and incomplete human beings. This is good stuff. I can't wait." I didn't paste everything sarcastic you said because I'd be left with no space to say anything else, but you can go up and read your entire response again. So are you going to evade my question again?
@ualsdu7777 "Now please don't evade my question."???? Tell me the truth you're just fucking with me. Right? And by the way if you aren't that's fine but don't get me confused with the other people you are arguing with on here. I have not called you a single name or hurled any insult toward you. I can't understand where you are getting this idea from that there is animosity from my end. You have every right to your opinion just as I do I. The expression of a differing opinion is not an insult.
@tbone2872 No, I am not messing with you. I said previously, "They do that in states that have already legalized gay marriage, even if it's against the will of their parents." and that's when you came at me. Expressing an opinion is like what I have been doing with you, non-sarcastic, non-sardonic, non-bitter. What you did was mock me for my answer with sarcasms. So I assume you can't answer my question then?
@ualsdu7777 I am curious about one thing though. What is bestiality? Is that like better sex or sex that is "best" ? I think that's what Dr. Ruth used to teach on her show. Sex that is fun and enhances your marriage and your reality so it is Bestiality. The reality is if you and your wife are happy with both your marriage and your sex life then things are great. The thing that kind of creeps me out is that it sort of sounds like beastiality which is sex with animals which would be gross.
@tbone2872 To your credit, I am glad to see you have moral sensibilities. I only wish the movement by which you are a proponent of (i.e., same sex marriage) would show the same respect and consideration for the children they are now trying to brainwash against the will of their parents. You can marry anyone you want, I don't care. But leave the children alone, that has been my point all along.
@ualsdu7777 I'm actually not necessarily a proponent of the gay marriage movement because it really doesn't impact me one way or another. Ever since this issue has made to the national conscious it's really puzzeled me why people care one way or another. I mean to me the immorality of what Tiger woods did bothers me tremendously. Why accept the vows of marriage if you just want to chase every piece of pussy walking the countryside? My wife and I have several dear friend who are gay and lesbian
@tbone2872 Let me tell you why I care. When same sex marriage is legalized, it opens up a Pandora's Box. Polygamists can now come forward and claim validity of their marriage. People can claim marriage to a dog, cow, or sheep simply because they claim the "right to marry". In the absence of a clear definition that a marriage should only be between a man and woman (which the SSM movement is fighting tenaciously to prevent), our society's morality will go down the drain. cont'd ...
@ualsdu7777 couples whose only crime was the misfortune of not being part of a group that people call "normal". I'm pretty sure my kids could get taught alot worse things than wheter or not being gay is or isn't right. I just hope they get taught to do the right thing, to be fearless search for enlightenment, be tolerant of others who are different than you, and most of all underdstand everyone's journey through life is tough and complicated and always be aware of that.
@tbone2872 With what you said, you imply "intolerance" in me. That is not what this is all about. As I said, gay people can marry anyone they want, and I hope they get equal rights as heterosexual couples. As much as I don't like their lifestyle, it's really none of my business. But when they start messing with our children with the intent of brainwashing all future generations, I take issue with that.
@ualsdu7777 I implied nothing of the sort. If I were you I would stick to the actual words I have written and stop "reading" all this other stuff into it. Tolerance is a two way street it means just that be tolerant of everyone no matter how much their views, Ideologies, religeous practices, political affiliations, cultural morays, creed, race, sexuality, traditions, hobbies, geographical location, civic memberships, etc. differ from yours. Period.
@tbone2872 Furthermore, kids being brainwashed that homosexuality is okay will be more inclined to experiment at a much younger age. While I agree that some people are born homosexual, some are influenced by their environment. Legalizing SSM will cause a moral decline in our society we may all live to regret. Gays wanting equality in marital rights is one thing, but they went a step further, they want to brainwash our future generations. What responsible American would want that?
@ualsdu7777 I was taught by my parents that being gay was ok and I never experimented you know why? BECAUSE I'M NOT GAY. As far as a moral decline in case you haven't noticed Heterosexuals have been doing a damn good job with that project for some time now. Tiger Woods, Jesse James, Kobe Bryant, are all well known examples of that.
@tbone2872 Just my opinion, but the already ongoing moral decline started when religion and prayer were banned from the classroom back in the 60s, coupled with what Hollywood encourages the youth nowadays, that of superficiality and materialism. And if the parents fail to teach their children, where else can they turn to for guidance? That, in my humble opinion, is where our moral decline stems from.
@ualsdu7777 (cont'd) who have been in long term monogamous relationships for years who have no right to own joint property or share health insurance etc. What Tiger Woods and many like him did was victimize his wife and children by humiliating them by his heddonistic behavior. I find it odd that many in our society would not only hold Tiger's status as a straight man and his debaucherous extramarital relationships at a higher standard but actually group his behavior in with loving committed....
@micahismine I don't recall saying anything that being gay is a choice. Perhaps your response was meant for someone else, but the fact that you directed your insult at me without checking first, I guess that makes you the idiot.
@ualsdu7777 No sweetheart, its You who picks and chooses what laws to live by. First of all let me start by saying that there is no possible way to live by everything in the bible. Have you ever eaten shrimp? well if you have you're an "ABOMINATION". Have you ever worn wool and linen together? You're an "ABOMINATION". eating a rabbit is an "ABOMINATION". Having sex without the intent to procreate is a sin. and no sin is greater than the other...riiiggghhhttt...?? gimme a break you hypocrite
@micahismine You're comparing eating shrimp, wearing wool, etc. to homosexuality? Those sins do not influence others to sin. Homosexuality does because your movement has decided to go after the minds of our kids. To live in sin is one thing, but to preach, perpetuate, and disseminate one's sin is worse. You ought to try and think more clearly.
@ualsdu7777 let's see if I can spell this out for you...being gay is something that you're born with. it's not something that you learn and "try out" and say hey let me "sin" because i see her doing it. If your child is gay, their gay. and them seing me holding my girlfriend's hand has nothing to do with it. if you weren't conditioned as a child to think that it was wrong you'd be acting on your natural desires. and being attracted to a woman is perfectly natural my dear.
@micahismine Can you read? I never said anything about whether gay is congenital or not. Is it right to force 7-year-old kids in school to read a book called "King and King" that describes a dual patriarchal family, with a picture in the end of two men kissing? If you're saying gays should be allowed to live in peace, no arguments here. But that is not what I'm seeing, the gay movement is trying to desensitize kids to homosexuality with rubbish books as I just described.
@ualsdu7777 Am I on glue or is the argument at hand whether or not gay should have the right to be married? You keep bringing children into this and they aren't going to be affected one way or another if gay marraige is legalized. I will teach my children that being gay is nothing to be ashamed of just as being straight isn't either. and you will teach your children the opposite. That is our right. I have no desire to change the way children are taught.
@micahismine If you read back on my very first post, my reason for being here is because I was against what the gay movement was doing to our schools. You came in in the middle. I am here because I responded to the one poster who asked if homosexuality should be taught in schools, and I expounded on that. Do I approve of gay marriage? No, but that was not the cause that brought me here.
@ualsdu7777 I responded to your comment because you were very offensively comparing homosexuality to beastiality and prostitution. Why those three things would ever be put into the same category is beyond me...
@micahismine You should recognize that our society is so diverse not only in make, but also in mind. What you and I view as acceptable could be viewed by others as an abomination. My basis for comparing homosexuality, prostitution, and bestiality was on the basis that all three are construed as immoral by many in our society. Now without reading things into what I just said, where am I wrong?
@ualsdu7777 Ok, I can definitely respect the fact that you can see where I'm coming from. But my argument is that a person has the choice to sell their body for money or to not sell their body for money. Those two people are not in love, the prostitute is having sex with a stranger in exchange for money. Now in my opinion that is wrong but with that being said, that is their choice. That is also something that one should be introduced to when one is old enough to make that DECISION. continued
@micahismine Clearly it makes no sense to compare two immoralities anatomically. Homosexuality, prostitution, and bestiality are like watermelon, apple, and grape where their differences are drastic, and yet they are all fruits. So if you consider prostitution and bestiality immoral, and you say you are a Christian, on what basis now can you say homosexuality is not immoral? And since when was obedience to God now about selecting precepts that suit you or doesn't suit you?
@ualsdu7777 i never said that I was a christian. I beleive that there is a God and that he loves everyone for who they are. I do not in any way shape or form beleive that homosexuality is a sin. You have to take the bible for waht it is and for what it was. take into consideration when it was written. a nation was being built at that time so "if a man lies with another man they are an abomination" made perfect sense.
@micahismine If you're not a Christian, then forget everything I said as they won't apply to you. And you are right, the God I know will love you no matter how you are. But He also talks of a Judgment Day, and that's when we will all be judged according to what we have done on earth. But again, if you're not Christian, maybe you might not even believe there is a Judgment Day.
@ualsdu7777 I believe that Jesus will come forth one day and take with him the people who were good, compassionate and kind people who loved as they were loved. I don't think he's going to look at me and say, oh wait, you were gay all this time?...no no no, you can't come. And the division of church and state is supposed to prevent this kind of stuff from happening but it doesn't. No matter what mine or your opinion is, my rights should be the same and that's all that matters to me.
@micahismine You confuse me now. You believe in Jesus? Hello, but Jesus Christ is the focal point of Christianity; without Jesus, there is no Christianity. Yet you say you are not Christian??
@micahismine If you believe in Jesus, you automatically become Christian whether you like it or not. People who believe in Buddha are Buddhists. People who call their God as Allah are Muslims. People who believe in Krishna are Hindus. Hello? Our religious affiliation is based on who we worship, unless you're telling me you worship Buddah and Krishna, too. Then I'm not sure how to categorize you as far as religion is concerned.
@ualsdu7777 and that's the problem with most people. They have to categorize EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE. They scatter in fear if there isn't something, be it a book or a person, telling them what's right and what's wrong, what to do and what not to do. I believe in Jesus. No I do not call myself a christian because although I worship the same person, I do not believe as they believe. That may confuse you but it's really quite simple. I am what I say I am. period.
@micahismine Well, if that is what you believe, then I'm not sure then if you're saved. To be saved, you have to believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and that he died for our sins to save us. The requirement to be saved is that simple. You are the first person I have ever known in my life who believes so dearly in God and Jesus and claims he is not a Christian. Well, add that to God's creative diversity in His creations.
@ualsdu7777 Well I'm glad that I could be your first. And I'm not worried about being saved, I'm a good person with a good heart. I don't judge. And that has absolutely nothing to do with my sexual orientation. So I know I will be with My king when it is time.
@micahismine That's the problem, what is right to you may be wrong to another, and vice versa. Without a central reference like the Bible, who is to say who is right or wrong? You say revenge is wrong, but another says it's right. You say stealing is wrong, another says he stole to support his family out of love, so who's right or wrong?
@ualsdu7777 just because someone steals for their family, doesnt mean it's right. doing something to purposely hurt someone else is wrong. love one another is what Jesus wants us to do. Period. And you don't need a book to tell you that.
@tbone2872 i think you had written something about teaching your children that mixed raced people were mud people and that handicapped people were something or other, I dont remember but I wanted to know if you were joking.
@micahismine You're absolutely right, we should love one another. I didn't know that was even in dispute. But we weren't talking about that, we were talking about choices and sin.
@ualsdu7777 I most definitely beleive that beastiality is immoral because those two DIFFERENT species are not of like minds. I do not believe that prostitution is immoral, I said that I do not agree with it. But like I said, that is not my place to say No, you cannot do that. You stated that if they were going to teach children about homosexuality that they might as well teach about those subjects as well, and No, I do not agree that those subjects are on the same level.
@micahismine I am a Christian, and I base my actions in my day-to-day life from the Bible. You are clearly an agnostic, so other than your belief in a God, and in the absence of a clear definitive reference to moral law, where do you base your moral inclinations from?
@ualsdu7777 my heart. and the fact that I talk to God everyday and he loves me so much just the way I am. I treat people fairly and with respect. I do what I think is right and good things happen to me because of it. I'm very blessed and I only do things to please Him. He knows that, even if you don't.
@micahismine Your heart? I tell you, for everything your heart believes, there will be one million others who will disagree with you. In the absence of a central reference (like the Bible), your heart will simply not make a good basis for any argument. You did say you believe in Jesus, and you're gay. Based on Christianity, you are saved already and will definitely go to heaven. But God will hold you accountable for being gay. How? You'll find that out someday.
@ualsdu7777 Well I'm sure you can see why that makes absolutely no sense to me. God will hold me accountable for lieing, cheating, stealing, judging, if I do so. But loving? No, God will not hold me accountable for that. If I recall correctly, most christians believe that everyone has some sort of struggle that they have to deal with in life, be it something like addiction or something like homosexuality right? If you don't mind me asking, do you have something like that to deal with?
@micahismine God will hold you accountable for everything He describes in the Bible as sin. Do I have something similar to deal with in my life? Of course, everyone does. We are all being tested, that's why there is a Judgment Day. Yours is homosexuality, mine is different. What people are declaring as "normal", like homosexuality, and their insistent defense of it is, from God's eyes, the insistent defense and tolerance of sin.
@ualsdu7777 Ok, and with that being said, your problem( I dont know for sure) is probably something that you could stop or CHOOSE not to do. Addiction is addiction but at the end of the day, you can choose not to stick a needle in your arm or drink yourself to death. I cannot CHOOSE to be straight. So what are people like myself supposed to do?
@micahismine It is easy to say you were born gay, and hence, have no choice. Even if someone holds a gun to your head and says "Do this or die!", you still have a choice. The "lack of choice" is a very convenient way to justify the temptations one gives in to. Think about it, and be honest to yourself in the process. In everything we do, there is a choice. If heterosexuality had been the sin instead of homosexuality, I know I still have choices.
@micahismine If heterosexuality were a sin, I have a choice to still go with a woman or not. There IS a choice, ALWAYS. You are not being forcefully pushed in one direction or the other. The rhetoric of "I have no choice" is overused and overly convenient to justify one's defeat against temptations.
@micahismine I already told you. I am a male heterosexual. And if heterosexuality were the sin instead of homosexuality, then I would exercise my choice of either still going with a woman and sin, or go with what God mandates in His law, in this hypothetical case, to go with a man, or simply abstain. The fact that I have 3 directions to go means I have choices. So do you, you just refuse to see it that way.
@micahismine I would be dishonest to tell you I'd be happy as a lark living a lifestyle I do not prefer. But that's why a lot of gay people are atheists, or selectively religious. I can empathize when a person is dealt a hand by God where sexuality is the temptation; it's not an easy temptation to fight. But there are difficult questions in tests and exams. Why we're given these parameters in our life, we'll probably know someday when we meet God Himself. For now, we have choices, He's watching.
@micahismine So my response was that it would be a shame if they taught kids to be more tolerant of people who are different and that I was going to follow his lead and teach my kids that mixed race people are mud and that the handicapped should ridiculed etc. I was making light of those ridiculous right wing psuedo-christian judgemental moralist arguements. The funny thing is that he's back on here. Gay videos on youtube are loaded with people who hate gays but can't stay away from gay videos.
@ualsdu7777 Go read direct translations of the Bible passages that correspond to homosexuality (I'm sure you know them all by heart and recite them every night before going to sleep to protect you from the devil). Then say what God wants or doesn't want.
@ualsdu7777 I really try to make this as easy as possible for people to understand. ok what if I told you, to stop liking women ( i dont know if you're a man or woman but if you are a man). what would your response be? "I can't" I can't STOP being gay. just like I can't STOP being a woman or mixed with black and white. So with that being said. What am I to do? Be single all of my life? Marry a man and be miserable? No, that's not what MY God wants. He wants me to be happy. And i am.
@micahismine If liking women were a sin, and if I were determined to be right with God, I will avoid women. I know you're not happy to hear that. While God wants us to be happy and to love, He does want us to do so within the context of His laws. If one fornicates with a dog out of love, you think God would excuse that? So to say that God wants you to be happy without any boundaries is wrong. As I said, we are going through a test. Tests can sometimes be very hard. But do you want to pass?
@ualsdu7777 as for beastiality, the act of two different species mating is not at all comparable to the act of two consensual human beings being together. a woman can choose whether or not to be a prostitute. she cannot however choose her sexuality. children should be taught that love is for everyone.
@micahismine That's why I said one cannot compare immoralities anatomically. From the eyes of God, a sin is a sin. If you truly embrace God, you will obey ALL his precepts, not just the ones that suit you. I don't agree with some of the things in the Bible myself, but I try to obey ALL of them because God said so. For example, I have no particular interest in Israel, but they are God's chosen people. I will side with them whether I like it or not.
@ualsdu7777 I do not however support children being raised to think that it is a sin and that they should repent and feel bad about something they cannot change. I feel that children should be taught to be with who they love, man or woman. They should see all aspects of love and life, not just the ones that make you comfortable.
@quezcatol You're right. I just jumped on the bandwagon. I am not from your country so I don't know my facts.
I suppose it's hard for politicians when their personal feelings conflict with their party's beliefs. Do you think Dick and Lynne would walk their daughter down the aisle? (a genuine question. I really don't know these people.)
Lynn is just another two faced false christian who has turned her back on God to support the sodomite damned.The Cheney family was once a good wholesome christian family,now they have allowed a lesbain to corrupt and pervert their minds and hearts.The Cheney's have now joined with the sodomite damned as gay enabling hellbound fools.Gays should be arrested not married.
The issue concerning the legality of his war is ignored by his sycophants. For Lincolnian lickspittles: Shoot someone who's attacking you in your home and then bleat your bleeding-hearted appeal about dividing the blame for spilled blood equally. The religion/philosophy of those who have been systematically wiped out by a tyrannical state is immaterial. Methodists, Pentecostals & janitors were killed during W.W.2 too.
It's the illiterate nature of all things public that encourage aggressive tax collection, and the welcoming of foreigners to overthrow anything smacking of Constitutional. There are many half-baked, queer recipes of unholy matrimony that have yet to be served up: group, incestuous, inter-species, inter-galactic, etc.
I felt such a loss at hearing of M.J.'s passing. It's a shame that he eluded a lengthy jail sentence. The Thai vermin who pimp 11-year-old boys are heart-sick at losing their star John: the pederast Michael Jackson as he'd dropped several million dollars over 3 decades satiating his perversities on children in Bangkok hotel rooms. The flags in Thailand'll be at half-mast . It's a blessing that many children, who were targeted, will now be spared the "love" of this despicable man. Long live Tito!
The tyranny inflicted upon foreigners by their outlandish/overseas potentates, kings, kinglets, autocrats, tsars, emperors, chieftains, general secretaries, shahs & ayatollahs is of no concern to Americans, as the United States IS NOT an empire (according to the Constitution).
Millions were starved & worked to death for the people's reforms of the "Cultural Revolution." Millions were sentenced to "re-education" camps. The Chinese govt. brags that they've executed 84 million of their countrymen since the revolution. How does this reality make Mao any different from Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, Harry Truman & Pol Pot?
Well, lessee - Stalin, Pinochet and Pol Pot focused their deaht rays on their own countrymen. Truman killed Japs. Hitler was ecumenical and killed everybody, then he killed himself and had his body thrown into a ditch and lit on fire. I say Hitler wins on style points.
But from another angle, Mao died peacefully free as a bird. Not bad for a mass-murdering fuckhead, eh? Especially comparing his demise to Hitler's . . . .
Is infanticide a right? Henry Kissinger, amongst others, admires the central govt. of the Peoples Republic of China which claims ownership of the contents of their women's uteri. As logic dictates: if Western women form a consensus that gestation in the early stages does not entail the development of babies, then there is no crime involved when the govt., for the common good, exercises its right to vacuum wombs.
ok im going to make it simple. if you're not gay, why do you have a problem with gay people getting married, are you jelous?, or are you worried that they might have a better marriage than you? if the answer is no, than you should'nt worry about it, it dosen't affect you, it doesn't concern you, your not involved in the couples life, they are not going to go to your house make you gay, or make your kids gay. long story short if your not gay, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT!, it's their lives not yours.
Excellent point. I am a straight man and I love my wife dearly. My wife and I have several close Gay/Lesbian friends. If the law changed tomorrow that everywhere in this country Gay and Lesbian couples could get married I can't imagine how in any way it would affect my marriage. Am I going to come home from work one day and realize that my marriage suddenly doesn't mean as much because same sex marriage exists? I don't care what other consenting adults do it has nothing to do with me or my wife!
@tbone2872 Did you know your kids (and their kids, and all future American generations) will be taught that homosexuality is a normal and moral lifestyle, whether you approve of them doing so or not? Supporting same sex marriage WILL affect everyone.
@ualsdu7777 Yeah that will suck royally if they actually start teaching tolerance. We need to get back to old time values where we teach kids to conform to a standard and that people who are different are to be pitied and ridiculed. Hitler was right a healthy society should rid itself of the evils on non-conformity. We should adopt Mein Kampf as our new bible. I'm going to teach my children to be as intolerant as possible. Thanks for the advice.
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forget about God and Church, it's ridiculous.
Wife = the female in a union between a man and a women, husband = male, why change definition's to suit one particular special interest group.
if the entire world turned gay there would be no world, would that event be natural? would the cessation of the human race be natural, if instead of using sex for procreation we used it for pleasure only.
aside from that the gays are looking for a fight, I say give it to them.
@ihatetrash2007 Using sex for pleasure is legal. Are heterosexual couples limited to only having sex when they want to procreate? Why then is it legal for sterile heterosexuals to get legal marriage? Why is birth control legal?
Again, care to explain how gay marriage would turn the whole world gay? Because you have yet to explain this. Also many infertile people have sex solely for pleasure. My grandfather is in his 80s and just remarried after being a widower for 9yrs, and he and his new wife are infertile. So I guess all the sex they are having is just for pleasure!
ihatetrash2007 must hate himself then !!!! Because he is the negative kind of trash this country doesn't need. God created all men equal. despite sexual preference. I know alot of you don't believe in God and thats cool. But I do, and God wouldn't want us to hate one another on any condition. I don't believe being gay is a choice. I also don't believe it's a sin. As a Christian, I'm supposed to be against this. But I'm sorry, But my heart and my soul know this hate is wrong.
You do realize that artificial insemination has been around for a "couple" of years.
Gay couples like babies too... from what I hear, they raise them even better.
As for gay dudes maybe they'll adopt a needy child, what is wrong with that?
ihatetrash2007 : you said "...gays are looking for a fight, I say give it to them"
once upon a time, non-whites had to fight for theirs, once upon a time women had to fight for theirs and if the gays have to "fight" for their right, I'm in
@Darkbison7 if entire world turned gay there would be no world, so that a same sex union was not intended, but a variation, the status of marriage would legitimize an unnatural state.
If I had ever supported gay people I do not now, there was a democratic vote, the gay agenda lost, instead of taking that lost, you stomp around threatening this and that, well the hell with you, enough is really enough.
there was a vote, both sides campaigned, one side lost, the other won. done NEXT.
@ihatetrash2007 Monogamous heterosexual marriage is already an unnatural state. Organisms that participate in sexual reproduction fare much better when the males impregnate as many females as they can at a given time, rather than limiting one's output to one birth per 9-month period.
Furthermore, since legalizing heterosexual marriage did not make everyone into a heterosexual, explain exact
The stupidity of seeing politics in black and white -- Republicans are evil morons and Democrats are compassionate saints -- is clearly shown by the number of my gay friends (and I'm gay myself) who adore Obama, though he won't support gay marriage, while they call major Republicans like Lynn Cheney who DO go out on a limb to support gays and gay marriage "an old f*&kin c&#t".
Good thing next year Americans will have a chance to put someone who's at least minimally competent in the White Hse.
sergeiparajanov 1 month ago
@sergeiparajanov Who do you suggest be put into the white house?
enzoelise 1 month ago
@Orgasmic, I bet you're a huge Obama fan, but neither of the Obamas -- UNLIKE the Cheneys and Laura and her daughter Barbara Bush -- have dared to speak in favor of same sex marriage. I bet you don't call Michelle "an obedient pawn of her husband" for not daring to address the issue. Like so many of my friends, you're childishly partisan. Wake up -- both parties have pro-gay and anti-gay people in them. To fail to see this is to be "an obedient pawn" of the Dem Party propaganda machine.
sergeiparajanov 1 month ago
Glad this woman was so vocal when she was close to the President. Glad she took the initiative to change the country for the better. Glad she isn't an obedient pawn to her husand.
Oh, wait.
Orgasmic45 3 months ago
I don't know why everyone is hating on the woman. She said she supports gay marriage...
coltyxcore123 5 months ago
@coltyxcore123 Yea since her daughter is a lesbian she never voiced her views on Gay Marriage during the bush campaign
MyJustified 5 months ago
she's nothing but an auld fucken cunt
19Tharg76 5 months ago
shes a bitch i hate her !!!!!!! if i see her i would kill da bitch................not because of wat she just said about gay marriages ....about eminem
101SassyCassie 7 months ago
wait did she say yes?
moroney1 10 months ago
Did she ever actually answer the question?
CadenceofherLastBrea 11 months ago
also, you have offered no basis for your pre-supposition that homosexual behavior or gay marriage constitutes a civil rights or that defining it as such does, in fact, "benefit all society". By extension, in your logic, bi-sexual behavior is also a 'civil right' and bi-sexual marriage (or perhaps any form of marriage in your view) would similarly benefit society, right ? Obviously, there are tens of millions of people who would totally disagree with that claim (no doubts all bigots U think).
shieldsff 1 year ago
Same-sex marriage would aid the city because "married individuals tend to accumulate more wealth than single individuals" and that "married individuals are healthier on average and behave in healthier ways than single individuals" eq. avoid smoking and drinking. Being gay or straight has no bearing on one's ability to contribute to society.
Sexual orientation is a fundamental part of one's identity, the idea that it's a choice is simply outdated. They are an identifiable class.
wullz16 1 year ago
@wul-socially those facts are well and true, but have little to do with the origins or definition of 'marriage'. Moreover, there are other alternatives legal means & instruments to accomplish those goals. Whether sex id is "a fundamental part of one' s identity" (i.e. is genetic/physiological) is debatable. Well into the 1970-1990's, the vast majority of the 'gay community' INSISTED it was their right to choose their own "LIFESTYLE" as they saw fit. Does a decade or two constitute so outdated?
shieldsff 1 year ago
@shieldsff Perhaps gays insist that to this day, most scholars in the field disagree. I am neither gay, nor an expect so i wouldn't be qualified. I am more concerned about the issue of marriage. Is making gay marriage illegal justified? the idea that marriage is between a man and a woman is formed by either a religious belief or some intrinsic value.
I think its wrong for any law to impose a religious belief, especially if it also discriminates a group.
wullz16 1 year ago
@wullz16 I think it's wrong for the gov't to adopt an implied political dogma, i.e. that a gay union has no relevant differences from a real marriage. France and Japan have both rejected the "gay marriage" dogma, and it has nothing to do with religion, both of them being secularist nations.
In reality, the dogma that a gay union is the same as a real marriage is obviously false. Only the brain-dead and the victims of group-think accept that as truth.
namordecai 1 year ago
@namordecai pfffft call it a political dogma, call it whatever you want. When you speculate nonesense about gay marriage being inferior to hetero's you lose credibility with me.
Of course it all stems from the bible. The religious citizens take this as a threat to their own faith and any politician with common sense will obviously avoid pushing these citizen's buttons. Rejecting gay marriage is an enormous vote saver.
wullz16 1 year ago
@wullz16 Did I mention France and Japan? You do realize that those are secular nations, right, genius?
namordecai 1 year ago
@namordecai yes i do realise, i claim they are hippocrites...it was suggested in what i said.
wullz16 1 year ago
@wullz16 Clearly, anyone that disagrees with your obviously false political dogma that a gay union is the same in all relevant ways to a real marriage, must have some character flaws. Either that, or they're rational.
namordecai 1 year ago
@namordecai fine, form of a list of benefits that hetero's have.
wullz16 1 year ago
@wullz16 Sure, as soon as you prove your political dogma that a gay union has no relevant differences from a real marriage. If you want a detailed analysis, you could look at the legal debate France went through. It was very informative. America, with our educational system designed to turn our youth into mindless drones, doesn't know what the hell is going on. Idiots. I don't believe you're sophisticated enough to comprehend simple things like the importance of biological parenthood.
namordecai 1 year ago
@namordecai biggest non answer, if you attack other people's idea instead of explaining your own, you lack any insight into your own ideas. i've assumed with you right from the beginning that you lack any legitimate explanation. Your idea is nothing but a hypothesis, something that you cannot comprehend yourself.
wullz16 1 year ago
@wullz16 Actually, my ideas match the arguments made by the French pretty well. In fact, our own government acknowledges the difference between biological parents and adopted, giving them different rights (GASP! They don't get equal treatment!). Prior to this idiotic "gay marriage" movement, the gov't was giving special treatment to married couples, because the state has an interest in two biological parents raising their own children. There are a myriad of reasons for that.
namordecai 1 year ago
@wullz16 So when are you going to prove that a gay union has no relevant differences to a real marriage? You can't. It's an idiotic dogma for complete dolts and narcissistic elitist sheep.
namordecai 1 year ago
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@namordecai Gay union has no relevant differences to a real marriage because...... you fail to form of a list of benefits that hetero's have.
wullz16 1 year ago
@namordecai "So when are you going to prove that a gay union has no relevant differences to a real marriage?"
Shifting the burden. It is not the job of someone rejecting a claim to prove it wrong. You claim there is a difrence, so you have to prove it.
Similarly, if I charge you for murder, I can't claim you have to prove that you didn't.
Or if I claim I have a secret orignization of elves under my house, I'm the one who would have to prove it. Not the rejector of the claim.
DragonGreenFire 11 months ago
@DragonGreenFire Wow. Holy hell. Any moron knows there's a difference. Most educated people who advocate for "gay marriage" will even admit there are relevant differences. You have to be brainwashed to think there are no relevant differences. It doesn't need an argument. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain.
namordecai 11 months ago
@namordecai "You have to be brainwashed to think there are no relevant differences. It doesn't need an argument. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain."
In that case, it souldn't be to hard for you to present some.
DragonGreenFire 11 months ago
@DragonGreenFire The gov't already recognizes the difference between biological parents and adoptive parents, treating them differently. Since real marriage has an inextricable connection to biological parenthood and since the gov't already treats biological parenthood differently, it's only rational to treat real marriage differently. You never complained about how the gov't treats adoptive parents differently than biological parents, which indicates you are aware the difference is relevant.
namordecai 11 months ago
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@namordecai "gov't already recognizes the difference between biological parents and adoptive parents"
Adpoting children is leagal. In fact, most republicans would recomend you put unexpected children up for.
"Since real marriage has an inextricable connection to biological parenthood"
Sperm Doners
"it's only rational to treat real marriage differently."
I asked for you to jusify your stance, not give me an apeal to athority.
DragonGreenFire 11 months ago
@namordecai BTW, this is circular logic. 'The goverment should treat homosexuals difrently because they are treated difrentlyby the goverment.'
"You never complained about how the gov't treats adoptive parents differently"
I also never mentioned gobal warming or the war in afganistan. I didn't mention it because it is not what we are debating. We are debating, 'Should homosexuals be allowed to marry.'
DragonGreenFire 11 months ago
@DragonGreenFire You are a moron. That is NOT the question. The question is, should the gov't adopt a mindless political dogma that there are no relevant differences between a gay union and a real marriage. There was no circular logic here, other than in your mind.
namordecai 11 months ago
@namordecai "You are a moron."
Hurray for ad hominem attacks!
"That is NOT the question. The question is... there are no relevant differences between a gay union and a real marriage."
Ok, that brings us right back to what I said. It seems your just arguing with me for the sake of it.
"There was no circular logic here, other than in your mind."
You do relize circular logic achully means something. I clearly pointed out your circlar logic yet you fail to do the same.
DragonGreenFire 11 months ago
@DragonGreenFire I know all about circular reasoning, and I wasn't remotely guilty of it. The way you presented my argument was a strawman. If you understood my argument, you would recognize it's not circular. It's completely linear.
namordecai 11 months ago
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@namordecai "I know all about circular reasoning, and I wasn't remotely guilty of it."
Anyway this is getting off topic, evn if I were to grant you that, its still ultumatly an apeal to athority.
DragonGreenFire 11 months ago
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@namordecai "which indicates you are aware the difference is relevant."
Or I didn't know that the goverment did this. Isn't it funny how first asumptions always seem to agree with what you want to be true? Also this is another unsubstaniated claim anyway, but the whole thing is off topic.
So many problems with this argument it took 3 comments to cover.
DragonGreenFire 11 months ago
@namordecai Perhaps your view is entirely shaped on the notion that gov't already recognizes the difference between biological parents and adoptive parents, treating them differently. It seems you are behaving like a sheep to your own government's completely illogical, religious ideology that will inevitably collapse with logical inquiry. I'm sure biological parents have completely trivial differences. Seeing as job stability and education can outweigh any deluded nonsense that you propose.
wullz16 7 months ago
@wullz16 "...I am sure biological parents have completely trivial differences." Please get educated on this. There is a reason the gov't screens adoptive parents. They don't do so arbitrarily.
namordecai 7 months ago
Check out my video "The Very Best Secular Argument Against Gay Marriage"..Homos can't fuck with it...I"m an atheist by the way
checkmwonderfulday 1 year ago
@checkmwonderfulday checkmwonderfulday has been terminated due to multiple or severe violations of our Community Guidelines. <---lmao
ghostielocks 1 year ago
@ghostielocks i know rite!! must not have been a very good argument XD
Clearie552 1 year ago
and that sir, is where we differ. God wants me to be happy with whoever makes me happy. I am not gay, I am not straight. I fall in love with people. men or women. it just so happens that God sent me a woman who makes me very happy. And once again, dogs and humans cannot be compared. And if God sends me a man to fall in love with, so be it. But I'm not going to deprive myself of love just because some book that was written by a bunch of old men says I shouldn't "lie with another man"...
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine The same guy you've been arguing with posted a response to an older comment I had made. My original post was to the effect of as a secure, married heterosexual male what difference is it to me whether or not gay people can marry each other. He went on a similar diatribe as the one he's been giving you about how it would be so terrible if in public schools they start teaching kids that homosexuality is ok, and that kids who are raised by gay parents would be more likely to be gay.
tbone2872 1 year ago
@micahismine I don't know who your God is, but it's clearly not the Christian God.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo That's the point, they are NOT just teaching tolerance, they are brainwashing them. What is the point of showing kindergarten kids pictures of two men kissing?
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 the point is so that they know that it's ok. so they don't walk through life sneering at gay poeple thinking that it's weird because they're ignorant about the subject. And if that's your argument, what's the point of showing a kinderkartener a picture of a man and a women kissing, or anyone kissing for that matter?
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine Well I'm glad we're finally on the same page. I have nothing against teaching kids the REALITY of homosexuality in our society. Why should we conceal their existence? But that is NOT what the gay movement is doing, they're going a step further. As you said, what is the point of showing a picture of two men kissing, or any kind of kissing for that matter. That was my whole contention to begin with.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW HOW TO SEPERATE CHURCH AND STATE!!!
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine Just so you know, the separation of church and state is in place to prevent religious zealots from exploiting government by way of religious principles. The Dark Ages is evidence of what evil Man is capable of doing in the name of religion. It however does not invalidate our Christian roots, that's why you will see the 10 commandments on the wall of our Supreme Court building. We are still a Christian nation.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo I don't know if you read the prior messages above yours, so what do you have to say if prostitutes demanded the right to teach their profession in school? What if pornographers demand the right to showcase their films in any theatre near you? What if parents demand the right for their child to participate in child pornographic films to earn food for the table? Would all that be alright for you? If not, why?
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
What about the kids,, shouldn't they learn about gay sex in high school? It's only natural for them at that time in their lives,, right?
klyde2005 1 year ago
@klyde2005 They do that in states that have already legalized gay marriage, even if it's against the will of their parents. So I guess it was okay to remove religion and prayer from the classrooms because not everyone may share the same faith, but it's okay now to evangelize to young kids that they can be gay when they grow up, even if their parents do not agree.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 Because I don't want my kids accepting any difference for that matter. I will start by telling them how being gay is wrong, then I will teach them that other kids who have two gay parents don't have a real family and should be made fun of, next I will teach them that people who are of mixed race/ethnicity are mud people are aren't really human beings. I also can't wait to teach them that handicapped people are pathetic and incomplete human beings. This is good stuff. I can't wait.
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 I am merely pointing out that parents should have a say when schools teach their children a sensitive moral issue like homosexuality, which I know you do not agree is a moral issue. All your sarcasm just impress further in my mind how unreasonable far left liberals can be, making it impossible to carry an intelligent discussion.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 What sensitive moral issue is homosexuality. I also you assume that you are a christian. Why is it that christians by a large seem to conveniently ignore the tenant of Judge not yet ye be judged? I could only wish that my life was so easy and worry free that homosexuality was my biggest concern because that issue comes a distant last behind health, job, taxes, my marriage, my wife's health, our carreers, my mother's cancer, my father's heart issue, my car running, etc. etc.
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 Judgemental is being conclusive about the character of a person without sufficient investigation. All I was pointing out was to show respect for people whose opinions differ from yours, like the parents of those children who now have to listen to what they believe is immoral. Clearly you reject fairness and think that everyone has to adopt and adapt to what you believe. And now, your disrespect towards me reveal you have judged me. So who's judgemental?
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777. I, first and foremost am a patriot who believes beyond all else that the beautiful thing about our enlightened democratic republic is the freedom to feel how we want about anything we want. Point out the exact place where I said you have to believe what I or anyone else does? I'll repeat point out where I said you should be forced to adopt the same beliefs as evryone else?
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 Freedom is what we Americans are all about, but there are times when lines need to be drawn. Would you allow prostitutes to teach kids in school how to grow up and be a skillful whore? Would you allow parents to employ their children in child pornography just so they could put food on the table for the family? Would you condone bestiality as a valid sex practice? Tell me if the above are acceptable to you, and explain why.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 HOW DARE YOU COMPARE BEASTIALITY TO HOMOSEXUALITY. THAT'S SUCH AN OFFENSIVE AND IGNORANT THING TO SAY. SO BECAUSE I PREFER WOMEN, I OBVIOUSLY WOULD ALSO HAVE SEX WITH AN ANIMAL OR BE A PROSTITUTE...? I LAUGH A PETTY AND CHILDISH REMARKS LIKE THAT. I PRAY TO MY GOD WHO BY THE WAY LOVES EVERYTHING ABOUT ME INCLUDING THE FACT THAT I DONT JUDGE, THAT YOU FIND PEACE WITH YOURSELF ENOUGH TO NOT CONCERN YOURSELF WITH THINGS THAT DONT CONCERN YOU.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine Oh this doesn't concern me? I'm an American. I worry about our country's future. Kids being forced-taught that homosexuality is okay is a concern to me. Prostitution, bestiality, and child pornography are immoral, but homosexuality isn't? By what standards are you going by?
You don't think there are people who find homosexuality as repulsive, offensive, and aberrational? Your lop-sided morality is very convenient.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 well children being forced-taught that homosexuality is wrong is a concern to me. It's really sad that someone like you with such TWISTED MORALITY is allowed to have impressionable children who will have to learn from such a closed minded person like yourself. And FYI, I live my life for God and myself and I couldnt care less if someone else finds it repulsive. It's none of their business. Like I said, it doesn't concern you.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine Hey! We're on the same side here! I do NOT approve of children being foreced-taught homosexuality. Your living your life for God is my exact stance. Before you respond, could you please read the posts first before you attack?
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@micahismine Oh I take it back, I remember you now. We are NOT on the same side. You claim you believe in God, and yet you selectively choose which precepts He provides to believe in. Well, God's laws are not for us to amend. So you would obey God's laws only if it's not inconvenient to your lifestyle. Got it.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 Bottom line is that it doesnt matter if you find it repulsive or acceptable or not. I live in america and I should have the same exact rights as eveyone else. What the hell does pornography or prostitutes have to do with me? Nothing. And I seriously doubt that my being married to my girlfriend would have any affect on the life you live honey. There was a time when blacks couldn't get married, when women couldn't vote. Like it or not times will always change. #GETOVERIT.
micahismine 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 Of course none of those things are acceptable to me. I will be happy to explain as soon as you answer the question I will now ask for the third time which is point out the exact place and/or verbage I used to say that you should adopt the same belief system as everyone else.
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 You have been nothing but sarcastic, insulting, and combative since I made my first remark. Such animosity would be nonexistent had I shared your perspective. Clearly, it is because I do not adopt your belief system that makes you hostile towards me. It is therefore logical to conclude that if I agreed with you on all your points, your animosity would cease. Now please don't evade my question.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 ?????? I simply asked where are you getting the notion that I said you have to adopt the same belief system as anyone else. I can assure you if their is any percieved sarcasm or combativeness it is just that percieved. Calm down.
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 Alright, then I stand corrected. You weren't sarcastic or combative. And I apologize for my mistake. And I am calm, have always been. I answered your question, now can you answer mine?
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
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@tbone2872 You said, "I will teach them that people who are of mixed race ethnicity are mud people are aren't really human beings. I also can't wait to teach them that handicapped people are pathetic and incomplete human beings. This is good stuff. I can't wait." That isn't sarcasm? Once again, stop evading my question.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@tbone2872 You said "I also can't wait to teach them that handicapped people are pathetic and incomplete human beings. This is good stuff. I can't wait." I didn't paste everything sarcastic you said because I'd be left with no space to say anything else, but you can go up and read your entire response again. So are you going to evade my question again?
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 "Now please don't evade my question."???? Tell me the truth you're just fucking with me. Right? And by the way if you aren't that's fine but don't get me confused with the other people you are arguing with on here. I have not called you a single name or hurled any insult toward you. I can't understand where you are getting this idea from that there is animosity from my end. You have every right to your opinion just as I do I. The expression of a differing opinion is not an insult.
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 No, I am not messing with you. I said previously, "They do that in states that have already legalized gay marriage, even if it's against the will of their parents." and that's when you came at me. Expressing an opinion is like what I have been doing with you, non-sarcastic, non-sardonic, non-bitter. What you did was mock me for my answer with sarcasms. So I assume you can't answer my question then?
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 I am curious about one thing though. What is bestiality? Is that like better sex or sex that is "best" ? I think that's what Dr. Ruth used to teach on her show. Sex that is fun and enhances your marriage and your reality so it is Bestiality. The reality is if you and your wife are happy with both your marriage and your sex life then things are great. The thing that kind of creeps me out is that it sort of sounds like beastiality which is sex with animals which would be gross.
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 To your credit, I am glad to see you have moral sensibilities. I only wish the movement by which you are a proponent of (i.e., same sex marriage) would show the same respect and consideration for the children they are now trying to brainwash against the will of their parents. You can marry anyone you want, I don't care. But leave the children alone, that has been my point all along.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 I'm actually not necessarily a proponent of the gay marriage movement because it really doesn't impact me one way or another. Ever since this issue has made to the national conscious it's really puzzeled me why people care one way or another. I mean to me the immorality of what Tiger woods did bothers me tremendously. Why accept the vows of marriage if you just want to chase every piece of pussy walking the countryside? My wife and I have several dear friend who are gay and lesbian
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 Let me tell you why I care. When same sex marriage is legalized, it opens up a Pandora's Box. Polygamists can now come forward and claim validity of their marriage. People can claim marriage to a dog, cow, or sheep simply because they claim the "right to marry". In the absence of a clear definition that a marriage should only be between a man and woman (which the SSM movement is fighting tenaciously to prevent), our society's morality will go down the drain. cont'd ...
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 couples whose only crime was the misfortune of not being part of a group that people call "normal". I'm pretty sure my kids could get taught alot worse things than wheter or not being gay is or isn't right. I just hope they get taught to do the right thing, to be fearless search for enlightenment, be tolerant of others who are different than you, and most of all underdstand everyone's journey through life is tough and complicated and always be aware of that.
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 With what you said, you imply "intolerance" in me. That is not what this is all about. As I said, gay people can marry anyone they want, and I hope they get equal rights as heterosexual couples. As much as I don't like their lifestyle, it's really none of my business. But when they start messing with our children with the intent of brainwashing all future generations, I take issue with that.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 I implied nothing of the sort. If I were you I would stick to the actual words I have written and stop "reading" all this other stuff into it. Tolerance is a two way street it means just that be tolerant of everyone no matter how much their views, Ideologies, religeous practices, political affiliations, cultural morays, creed, race, sexuality, traditions, hobbies, geographical location, civic memberships, etc. differ from yours. Period.
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 Furthermore, kids being brainwashed that homosexuality is okay will be more inclined to experiment at a much younger age. While I agree that some people are born homosexual, some are influenced by their environment. Legalizing SSM will cause a moral decline in our society we may all live to regret. Gays wanting equality in marital rights is one thing, but they went a step further, they want to brainwash our future generations. What responsible American would want that?
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 I was taught by my parents that being gay was ok and I never experimented you know why? BECAUSE I'M NOT GAY. As far as a moral decline in case you haven't noticed Heterosexuals have been doing a damn good job with that project for some time now. Tiger Woods, Jesse James, Kobe Bryant, are all well known examples of that.
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 Just my opinion, but the already ongoing moral decline started when religion and prayer were banned from the classroom back in the 60s, coupled with what Hollywood encourages the youth nowadays, that of superficiality and materialism. And if the parents fail to teach their children, where else can they turn to for guidance? That, in my humble opinion, is where our moral decline stems from.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 (cont'd) who have been in long term monogamous relationships for years who have no right to own joint property or share health insurance etc. What Tiger Woods and many like him did was victimize his wife and children by humiliating them by his heddonistic behavior. I find it odd that many in our society would not only hold Tiger's status as a straight man and his debaucherous extramarital relationships at a higher standard but actually group his behavior in with loving committed....
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 is this a joke?
micahismine 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 "that they CAN be gay when they grow up"??? Are you retarded? being gay isnt a choice you idiot.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine I don't recall saying anything that being gay is a choice. Perhaps your response was meant for someone else, but the fact that you directed your insult at me without checking first, I guess that makes you the idiot.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 No sweetheart, its You who picks and chooses what laws to live by. First of all let me start by saying that there is no possible way to live by everything in the bible. Have you ever eaten shrimp? well if you have you're an "ABOMINATION". Have you ever worn wool and linen together? You're an "ABOMINATION". eating a rabbit is an "ABOMINATION". Having sex without the intent to procreate is a sin. and no sin is greater than the other...riiiggghhhttt...?? gimme a break you hypocrite
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine You're comparing eating shrimp, wearing wool, etc. to homosexuality? Those sins do not influence others to sin. Homosexuality does because your movement has decided to go after the minds of our kids. To live in sin is one thing, but to preach, perpetuate, and disseminate one's sin is worse. You ought to try and think more clearly.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 let's see if I can spell this out for you...being gay is something that you're born with. it's not something that you learn and "try out" and say hey let me "sin" because i see her doing it. If your child is gay, their gay. and them seing me holding my girlfriend's hand has nothing to do with it. if you weren't conditioned as a child to think that it was wrong you'd be acting on your natural desires. and being attracted to a woman is perfectly natural my dear.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine Can you read? I never said anything about whether gay is congenital or not. Is it right to force 7-year-old kids in school to read a book called "King and King" that describes a dual patriarchal family, with a picture in the end of two men kissing? If you're saying gays should be allowed to live in peace, no arguments here. But that is not what I'm seeing, the gay movement is trying to desensitize kids to homosexuality with rubbish books as I just described.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 Am I on glue or is the argument at hand whether or not gay should have the right to be married? You keep bringing children into this and they aren't going to be affected one way or another if gay marraige is legalized. I will teach my children that being gay is nothing to be ashamed of just as being straight isn't either. and you will teach your children the opposite. That is our right. I have no desire to change the way children are taught.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine If you read back on my very first post, my reason for being here is because I was against what the gay movement was doing to our schools. You came in in the middle. I am here because I responded to the one poster who asked if homosexuality should be taught in schools, and I expounded on that. Do I approve of gay marriage? No, but that was not the cause that brought me here.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 I responded to your comment because you were very offensively comparing homosexuality to beastiality and prostitution. Why those three things would ever be put into the same category is beyond me...
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine You should recognize that our society is so diverse not only in make, but also in mind. What you and I view as acceptable could be viewed by others as an abomination. My basis for comparing homosexuality, prostitution, and bestiality was on the basis that all three are construed as immoral by many in our society. Now without reading things into what I just said, where am I wrong?
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 Ok, I can definitely respect the fact that you can see where I'm coming from. But my argument is that a person has the choice to sell their body for money or to not sell their body for money. Those two people are not in love, the prostitute is having sex with a stranger in exchange for money. Now in my opinion that is wrong but with that being said, that is their choice. That is also something that one should be introduced to when one is old enough to make that DECISION. continued
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine Clearly it makes no sense to compare two immoralities anatomically. Homosexuality, prostitution, and bestiality are like watermelon, apple, and grape where their differences are drastic, and yet they are all fruits. So if you consider prostitution and bestiality immoral, and you say you are a Christian, on what basis now can you say homosexuality is not immoral? And since when was obedience to God now about selecting precepts that suit you or doesn't suit you?
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 i never said that I was a christian. I beleive that there is a God and that he loves everyone for who they are. I do not in any way shape or form beleive that homosexuality is a sin. You have to take the bible for waht it is and for what it was. take into consideration when it was written. a nation was being built at that time so "if a man lies with another man they are an abomination" made perfect sense.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine If you're not a Christian, then forget everything I said as they won't apply to you. And you are right, the God I know will love you no matter how you are. But He also talks of a Judgment Day, and that's when we will all be judged according to what we have done on earth. But again, if you're not Christian, maybe you might not even believe there is a Judgment Day.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 I believe that Jesus will come forth one day and take with him the people who were good, compassionate and kind people who loved as they were loved. I don't think he's going to look at me and say, oh wait, you were gay all this time?...no no no, you can't come. And the division of church and state is supposed to prevent this kind of stuff from happening but it doesn't. No matter what mine or your opinion is, my rights should be the same and that's all that matters to me.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine You confuse me now. You believe in Jesus? Hello, but Jesus Christ is the focal point of Christianity; without Jesus, there is no Christianity. Yet you say you are not Christian??
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 Hello, you don't have to be a christian to believe in Jesus...seriously?
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine If you believe in Jesus, you automatically become Christian whether you like it or not. People who believe in Buddha are Buddhists. People who call their God as Allah are Muslims. People who believe in Krishna are Hindus. Hello? Our religious affiliation is based on who we worship, unless you're telling me you worship Buddah and Krishna, too. Then I'm not sure how to categorize you as far as religion is concerned.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 and that's the problem with most people. They have to categorize EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE. They scatter in fear if there isn't something, be it a book or a person, telling them what's right and what's wrong, what to do and what not to do. I believe in Jesus. No I do not call myself a christian because although I worship the same person, I do not believe as they believe. That may confuse you but it's really quite simple. I am what I say I am. period.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine Well, if that is what you believe, then I'm not sure then if you're saved. To be saved, you have to believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and that he died for our sins to save us. The requirement to be saved is that simple. You are the first person I have ever known in my life who believes so dearly in God and Jesus and claims he is not a Christian. Well, add that to God's creative diversity in His creations.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 Well I'm glad that I could be your first. And I'm not worried about being saved, I'm a good person with a good heart. I don't judge. And that has absolutely nothing to do with my sexual orientation. So I know I will be with My king when it is time.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine And I am in no position to judge or evaluate you. I avoid judging people "lest the same measures be used on me".
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 God created you with a heart in order to feel and to know the difference between wrong and right. So that's all the "bible" I need.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine That's the problem, what is right to you may be wrong to another, and vice versa. Without a central reference like the Bible, who is to say who is right or wrong? You say revenge is wrong, but another says it's right. You say stealing is wrong, another says he stole to support his family out of love, so who's right or wrong?
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 just because someone steals for their family, doesnt mean it's right. doing something to purposely hurt someone else is wrong. love one another is what Jesus wants us to do. Period. And you don't need a book to tell you that.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine What what a joke?
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 i think you had written something about teaching your children that mixed raced people were mud people and that handicapped people were something or other, I dont remember but I wanted to know if you were joking.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine You're absolutely right, we should love one another. I didn't know that was even in dispute. But we weren't talking about that, we were talking about choices and sin.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@micahismine Is what a joke?
tbone2872 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 I most definitely beleive that beastiality is immoral because those two DIFFERENT species are not of like minds. I do not believe that prostitution is immoral, I said that I do not agree with it. But like I said, that is not my place to say No, you cannot do that. You stated that if they were going to teach children about homosexuality that they might as well teach about those subjects as well, and No, I do not agree that those subjects are on the same level.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine I am a Christian, and I base my actions in my day-to-day life from the Bible. You are clearly an agnostic, so other than your belief in a God, and in the absence of a clear definitive reference to moral law, where do you base your moral inclinations from?
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 my heart. and the fact that I talk to God everyday and he loves me so much just the way I am. I treat people fairly and with respect. I do what I think is right and good things happen to me because of it. I'm very blessed and I only do things to please Him. He knows that, even if you don't.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine Your heart? I tell you, for everything your heart believes, there will be one million others who will disagree with you. In the absence of a central reference (like the Bible), your heart will simply not make a good basis for any argument. You did say you believe in Jesus, and you're gay. Based on Christianity, you are saved already and will definitely go to heaven. But God will hold you accountable for being gay. How? You'll find that out someday.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 Well I'm sure you can see why that makes absolutely no sense to me. God will hold me accountable for lieing, cheating, stealing, judging, if I do so. But loving? No, God will not hold me accountable for that. If I recall correctly, most christians believe that everyone has some sort of struggle that they have to deal with in life, be it something like addiction or something like homosexuality right? If you don't mind me asking, do you have something like that to deal with?
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine God will hold you accountable for everything He describes in the Bible as sin. Do I have something similar to deal with in my life? Of course, everyone does. We are all being tested, that's why there is a Judgment Day. Yours is homosexuality, mine is different. What people are declaring as "normal", like homosexuality, and their insistent defense of it is, from God's eyes, the insistent defense and tolerance of sin.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 Ok, and with that being said, your problem( I dont know for sure) is probably something that you could stop or CHOOSE not to do. Addiction is addiction but at the end of the day, you can choose not to stick a needle in your arm or drink yourself to death. I cannot CHOOSE to be straight. So what are people like myself supposed to do?
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine It is easy to say you were born gay, and hence, have no choice. Even if someone holds a gun to your head and says "Do this or die!", you still have a choice. The "lack of choice" is a very convenient way to justify the temptations one gives in to. Think about it, and be honest to yourself in the process. In everything we do, there is a choice. If heterosexuality had been the sin instead of homosexuality, I know I still have choices.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 choices on what?
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine If heterosexuality were a sin, I have a choice to still go with a woman or not. There IS a choice, ALWAYS. You are not being forcefully pushed in one direction or the other. The rhetoric of "I have no choice" is overused and overly convenient to justify one's defeat against temptations.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 So, if you were gay, what would you do? honestly.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine I already told you. I am a male heterosexual. And if heterosexuality were the sin instead of homosexuality, then I would exercise my choice of either still going with a woman and sin, or go with what God mandates in His law, in this hypothetical case, to go with a man, or simply abstain. The fact that I have 3 directions to go means I have choices. So do you, you just refuse to see it that way.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 eXACTLY. YOU'D BE MISERABLE
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine I would be dishonest to tell you I'd be happy as a lark living a lifestyle I do not prefer. But that's why a lot of gay people are atheists, or selectively religious. I can empathize when a person is dealt a hand by God where sexuality is the temptation; it's not an easy temptation to fight. But there are difficult questions in tests and exams. Why we're given these parameters in our life, we'll probably know someday when we meet God Himself. For now, we have choices, He's watching.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@micahismine So my response was that it would be a shame if they taught kids to be more tolerant of people who are different and that I was going to follow his lead and teach my kids that mixed race people are mud and that the handicapped should ridiculed etc. I was making light of those ridiculous right wing psuedo-christian judgemental moralist arguements. The funny thing is that he's back on here. Gay videos on youtube are loaded with people who hate gays but can't stay away from gay videos.
tbone2872 1 year ago
@tbone2872 ok that's what i thought lol I was just making sure.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine No problem brother
tbone2872 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 Go read direct translations of the Bible passages that correspond to homosexuality (I'm sure you know them all by heart and recite them every night before going to sleep to protect you from the devil). Then say what God wants or doesn't want.
poetaviolinista 1 year ago
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@poetaviolinista Mock all you want. Someday, we will see who is right.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 I really try to make this as easy as possible for people to understand. ok what if I told you, to stop liking women ( i dont know if you're a man or woman but if you are a man). what would your response be? "I can't" I can't STOP being gay. just like I can't STOP being a woman or mixed with black and white. So with that being said. What am I to do? Be single all of my life? Marry a man and be miserable? No, that's not what MY God wants. He wants me to be happy. And i am.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine If liking women were a sin, and if I were determined to be right with God, I will avoid women. I know you're not happy to hear that. While God wants us to be happy and to love, He does want us to do so within the context of His laws. If one fornicates with a dog out of love, you think God would excuse that? So to say that God wants you to be happy without any boundaries is wrong. As I said, we are going through a test. Tests can sometimes be very hard. But do you want to pass?
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 as for beastiality, the act of two different species mating is not at all comparable to the act of two consensual human beings being together. a woman can choose whether or not to be a prostitute. she cannot however choose her sexuality. children should be taught that love is for everyone.
micahismine 1 year ago
@micahismine That's why I said one cannot compare immoralities anatomically. From the eyes of God, a sin is a sin. If you truly embrace God, you will obey ALL his precepts, not just the ones that suit you. I don't agree with some of the things in the Bible myself, but I try to obey ALL of them because God said so. For example, I have no particular interest in Israel, but they are God's chosen people. I will side with them whether I like it or not.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 I do not however support children being raised to think that it is a sin and that they should repent and feel bad about something they cannot change. I feel that children should be taught to be with who they love, man or woman. They should see all aspects of love and life, not just the ones that make you comfortable.
micahismine 1 year ago
I LOVE it when an anti-gay person ends up having a gay child LMAO
It means that all the homophobic bile they've been spewing for years now applies to their own kids.
Puts people like Lynne Cheney in an awkward position.
But she's done it to herself.
Message: If you want to be anti-gay, wait until your kids and g/kids are adults.
Otherwise you might make a fool of yourself.
Tiges999 1 year ago
@Tiges999 ? anti-gay?
when has Cheney ever spoken out against his daughter?
You tell me? she has even supported him in each election and voted for him.
I think 99% out there doesnt want their kid to be gay, but if it is, accept it sooner or later and thats what they done.
You live in a fantasy world if you think guys for ex doesnt get bothered if their son or daughters turn up gay.
quezcatol 1 year ago
@quezcatol You're right. I just jumped on the bandwagon. I am not from your country so I don't know my facts.
I suppose it's hard for politicians when their personal feelings conflict with their party's beliefs. Do you think Dick and Lynne would walk their daughter down the aisle? (a genuine question. I really don't know these people.)
Tiges999 1 year ago
@Tiges999 I don't know these people either, I was shocked when I learned Cheney had a gay daughter, thats why I watched some more videos of it.
I'm not gay, for or against gay people at all.
Just shocked.
quezcatol 1 year ago
@quezcatol I hear you. I am for gay rights so that's why I reacted so strongly I suppose.
Tiges999 1 year ago
Funny
Reqrezentin 1 year ago
Lynn is just another two faced false christian who has turned her back on God to support the sodomite damned.The Cheney family was once a good wholesome christian family,now they have allowed a lesbain to corrupt and pervert their minds and hearts.The Cheney's have now joined with the sodomite damned as gay enabling hellbound fools.Gays should be arrested not married.
montsyblackmadonna 1 year ago
What's up with your dyke daughter, Lynne? Is she going to burn in Hell for all eternity?
loonmaniac 1 year ago
The issue concerning the legality of his war is ignored by his sycophants. For Lincolnian lickspittles: Shoot someone who's attacking you in your home and then bleat your bleeding-hearted appeal about dividing the blame for spilled blood equally. The religion/philosophy of those who have been systematically wiped out by a tyrannical state is immaterial. Methodists, Pentecostals & janitors were killed during W.W.2 too.
TheManWithTVEyes 1 year ago
It's the illiterate nature of all things public that encourage aggressive tax collection, and the welcoming of foreigners to overthrow anything smacking of Constitutional. There are many half-baked, queer recipes of unholy matrimony that have yet to be served up: group, incestuous, inter-species, inter-galactic, etc.
TheManWithTVEyes 1 year ago
dodge the question much?
wewe2121122212346457 1 year ago
I felt such a loss at hearing of M.J.'s passing. It's a shame that he eluded a lengthy jail sentence. The Thai vermin who pimp 11-year-old boys are heart-sick at losing their star John: the pederast Michael Jackson as he'd dropped several million dollars over 3 decades satiating his perversities on children in Bangkok hotel rooms. The flags in Thailand'll be at half-mast . It's a blessing that many children, who were targeted, will now be spared the "love" of this despicable man. Long live Tito!
TheManWithTVEyes 1 year ago
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The tyranny inflicted upon foreigners by their outlandish/overseas potentates, kings, kinglets, autocrats, tsars, emperors, chieftains, general secretaries, shahs & ayatollahs is of no concern to Americans, as the United States IS NOT an empire (according to the Constitution).
TheManWithTVEyes 1 year ago
Millions were starved & worked to death for the people's reforms of the "Cultural Revolution." Millions were sentenced to "re-education" camps. The Chinese govt. brags that they've executed 84 million of their countrymen since the revolution. How does this reality make Mao any different from Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, Harry Truman & Pol Pot?
TheManWithTVEyes 1 year ago
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Well, lessee - Stalin, Pinochet and Pol Pot focused their deaht rays on their own countrymen. Truman killed Japs. Hitler was ecumenical and killed everybody, then he killed himself and had his body thrown into a ditch and lit on fire. I say Hitler wins on style points.
But from another angle, Mao died peacefully free as a bird. Not bad for a mass-murdering fuckhead, eh? Especially comparing his demise to Hitler's . . . .
5891jonathan 1 year ago
love her! amazing! so well put!
evaforyou 1 year ago
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Is infanticide a right? Henry Kissinger, amongst others, admires the central govt. of the Peoples Republic of China which claims ownership of the contents of their women's uteri. As logic dictates: if Western women form a consensus that gestation in the early stages does not entail the development of babies, then there is no crime involved when the govt., for the common good, exercises its right to vacuum wombs.
TheManWithTVEyes 1 year ago
ok im going to make it simple. if you're not gay, why do you have a problem with gay people getting married, are you jelous?, or are you worried that they might have a better marriage than you? if the answer is no, than you should'nt worry about it, it dosen't affect you, it doesn't concern you, your not involved in the couples life, they are not going to go to your house make you gay, or make your kids gay. long story short if your not gay, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT!, it's their lives not yours.
lmr9890 1 year ago
Excellent point. I am a straight man and I love my wife dearly. My wife and I have several close Gay/Lesbian friends. If the law changed tomorrow that everywhere in this country Gay and Lesbian couples could get married I can't imagine how in any way it would affect my marriage. Am I going to come home from work one day and realize that my marriage suddenly doesn't mean as much because same sex marriage exists? I don't care what other consenting adults do it has nothing to do with me or my wife!
tbone2872 1 year ago 9
@tbone2872 Did you know your kids (and their kids, and all future American generations) will be taught that homosexuality is a normal and moral lifestyle, whether you approve of them doing so or not? Supporting same sex marriage WILL affect everyone.
ualsdu7777 1 year ago
@ualsdu7777 Yeah that will suck royally if they actually start teaching tolerance. We need to get back to old time values where we teach kids to conform to a standard and that people who are different are to be pitied and ridiculed. Hitler was right a healthy society should rid itself of the evils on non-conformity. We should adopt Mein Kampf as our new bible. I'm going to teach my children to be as intolerant as possible. Thanks for the advice.
tbone2872 1 year ago
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forget about God and Church, it's ridiculous.
Wife = the female in a union between a man and a women, husband = male, why change definition's to suit one particular special interest group.
if the entire world turned gay there would be no world, would that event be natural? would the cessation of the human race be natural, if instead of using sex for procreation we used it for pleasure only.
aside from that the gays are looking for a fight, I say give it to them.
ihatetrash2007 2 years ago
@ihatetrash2007 Using sex for pleasure is legal. Are heterosexual couples limited to only having sex when they want to procreate? Why then is it legal for sterile heterosexuals to get legal marriage? Why is birth control legal?
Is the internet natural?
Is religion natural?
Is youtube natural?
Darkbison7 2 years ago
Again, care to explain how gay marriage would turn the whole world gay? Because you have yet to explain this. Also many infertile people have sex solely for pleasure. My grandfather is in his 80s and just remarried after being a widower for 9yrs, and he and his new wife are infertile. So I guess all the sex they are having is just for pleasure!
Boudiga 2 years ago
ihatetrash2007 must hate himself then !!!! Because he is the negative kind of trash this country doesn't need. God created all men equal. despite sexual preference. I know alot of you don't believe in God and thats cool. But I do, and God wouldn't want us to hate one another on any condition. I don't believe being gay is a choice. I also don't believe it's a sin. As a Christian, I'm supposed to be against this. But I'm sorry, But my heart and my soul know this hate is wrong.
Tom6093 1 year ago
@ihatetrash2007
You do realize that artificial insemination has been around for a "couple" of years.
Gay couples like babies too... from what I hear, they raise them even better.
As for gay dudes maybe they'll adopt a needy child, what is wrong with that?
ihatetrash2007 : you said "...gays are looking for a fight, I say give it to them"
once upon a time, non-whites had to fight for theirs, once upon a time women had to fight for theirs and if the gays have to "fight" for their right, I'm in
einsibongo 1 year ago
The quick win:
1. There is no legally significant difference between a gay couple, and a sterile or elderly heterosexual couple.
2. Heterosexuals can abuse, and even murder their children, yet do not lose their ability to get legal marriage.
3. Gay marriage does not stop heterosexuals from getting married, divorced, or having babies.
4. Voting on rights="2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner."
Darkbison7 2 years ago
@Darkbison7 if entire world turned gay there would be no world, so that a same sex union was not intended, but a variation, the status of marriage would legitimize an unnatural state.
If I had ever supported gay people I do not now, there was a democratic vote, the gay agenda lost, instead of taking that lost, you stomp around threatening this and that, well the hell with you, enough is really enough.
there was a vote, both sides campaigned, one side lost, the other won. done NEXT.
ihatetrash2007 2 years ago
@ihatetrash2007 Monogamous heterosexual marriage is already an unnatural state. Organisms that participate in sexual reproduction fare much better when the males impregnate as many females as they can at a given time, rather than limiting one's output to one birth per 9-month period.
Furthermore, since legalizing heterosexual marriage did not make everyone into a heterosexual, explain exact