Top 10 Moments in Doctor Who History #5

[lopyhq]

I sry but i don't like it

[Halorules7777]

LIES!

[Xenion02]

Id say, that they wanted the master to be more mad, more insane. After all the sound of drums in his head were getting stronger and louder in his head, making him more mad. And, as the drums got louder, galafray was getting bit by bit more ready to teleport to earth. As of course The Doctor stopped. And when we FIRST encounterd the master, he was less insane then he is in the newer series. This is nothing but a theory though. But it sounds correct to me.

[Jallorn]

There's also the additional retcon that the Master always had a drumming in his head, but since that's a result of the Time Lords, it probably means that it wasn't always there, from a time travel sense. That can definitely explain the new craziness pretty well.

[theperformingguy112]

John simm is a fucking amazing actor!" And a brilliant master.

[jayzner97]

i happen to like john simm's master

[largeburger1]

...too much explanation

[spatula6]

Dude, turn down the gain on your microphone. It's clipping like hell and sounds awful.

[samthepsycicclam]

The thing I think your missing here is that every regeneration brings out a different aspect of a time lord, hence why the doctors are able to give such different performances without it being a contradiction and I really liked John Simm as the Master and the last three episodes of series three are some of the only episodes that I will praise Russel T Davis for. I really hated his run on Doctor Who (bar series one but thats more thanks to Ecclestone). Simm was the manic side of the master.

[samthepsycicclam]

@samthepsycicclam

I would clarify on this before I attract the haters, there were good episodes in series two, three and four (especially three) but none of them were written by Russel T Davis and his work of Torchwood while ok at first rapidly went down hill. So yeah, John Simm different type of Master, Doctor Who awesome but Russel T Davis SUCKS

[kavtoM]

I believe it was explained, that after the Timewar the drumming in his had became louder and constant. That's where became really insane.

[connor98230]

my little nephew loved this and so did i

[lifeonmars90]

Freema was amazing in This I must say;)

[TheMeggieiscool]

just can't wait for the christmas special

[Fuleadeare]

I have never gotten the chance to watch much of the old series, but I can say that the master annoyed me in the new series. Everyone else seemed to be gaga over him, while I just wanted him to go away already.

[TardisHarry17]

shit basicaly

[tanpiltanpil]

Loved the show since I was four in 1968!! But I have to admit that this whole scene is arguably the best in Doctor Who history. It got everything right and there were no budget constraints. Though the Tombs of the Cybermen ending in episode two is pretty close, oh damn it I could go on forever!!!

[catherinek94]

david tennant turning into matt smith was pretty good!

[dopplegangergirl9]

Delgado is probably my favorite but I have to give props to Simm as well. With the new direction that Doctor Who has been heading in, it makes me wonder if that classic, gentlemanly super villain with hypnotic powers would have been as much of a hit with the new series. Besides, it does make since that his personality would change. He's still the Master, but like the Doctor, he changes with every regeneration. Hard to compare classic Who and new Who. :)

[Anynom]

Best part is 7:22, Jacobi slowly turning and in that one second, he instantly transforms from Yana to the Master, brilliant work.

[inbetweenerman]

wheres the regeneration btw john simm is great

[ItsSomeDeadGuy]

My mind was blown at this reveal. Say what you will about Russell T Davies, but the man knew how to build suspense. And Derek Jacobi as the master? Brilliant.

I must say that I disagree with you on John Simm. Sure, the way he was written was slightly cliche, but oh my GOD is it ever all in the execution. John Simm's performance was fucking brilliant. It saved the over-the-top shitfest that was Last of the Time Lords from total suck.

[Mike40135]

You are spot on in everything you say here.

[kamwrites]

I consider this the best reveal in the history of the series. Number one. I literally hit the floor at the reveal. Jacobi should have been allowed to play this doctor until the brink of madness, then have it turned over to Simm to complete it. The Master's storyline is superb and heart-wrenching. Love what they've done with it.

[benToddTv]

if you dont like the new series stop ficking bitching and dont watch it because you robviously not a true fan in the fact that you dont accept the changes and I bet you couldent think up a mjaster of your own with out going on roger delgardo what they did with john simm was give the master a much more clear past and best of all they gave him a reasone as to why hes so evil that he went isane insted og just becuase he felt like being bad one day or if he was simply born bad

[kamwrites]

@benToddTv Oh, stop dictating what a true fan is. ;) Enjoy yourself. It is a good storyline, isn't it?

[guesswho14teen]

imagine theres4 drum beats in your head over and over again over time you'll probly go insane as the master did in the new episodes just imagine the hell he must of went though i fill sorry 4 him to understand what im talking about watch 2009 critsmas ep and that mostly explanes the master (sorry bout spelling)

[thelashers]

yeah i agree with you about roger delgardo's master, but john simm's master is diffrent because he has regernerated so you can't really say he isn't the master because he is a diffrent kind of master just like matt smith is a diffrent kind of doctor to david tennant

[ScorpiousMagnus]

Oh, and much love for Martha/Freema and Professor Yana/Master/Sir Derek here. Good Heavens thats alot lol!!! Anyway, they play off each other brilliantly.

[ScorpiousMagnus]

Loved John's performance and Roger Delgado is a classic. However 4 Me it's (Sir) Derek Jacobi's characterization that is AWESOME!!! As Professor Yana he was so witty, quietly authoritive & sympathetic, your heart went out 2 him. But as soon as u see his watch... And when He transforms back-he kicks ass lol!!! Brilliant.

[fenric71]

@ScorpiousMagnus Sir Derek Jacobi was awesome , but I think that all the mastwers were great and please don't slag off John Simm he was good he was more insane than we ever knew him but that madness was always there. There is more between the mastter and doctor than we know or ever will.

[lowcomedy]

The first Master was a proto Hannibal Lecter. A controlled 'monster', exhibiting old world charm and culture; yet, under the surface, a psychopath of Herculean depravity. I think Simm's portrayal is The Master of youth, brilliant, impulsive, vicious, insane.

[05c4r2582]

I think both Derek Jacobi and John Simms are awesome.

[eateroftheflame]

Sir Derek was great but John Simm was alright in his own way.

[Jrinu]

Y'know I gotta disagree with your bashing of John Simm as The Master. I get what you're saying and he is very different from previous incarnations, but isn't that what regeneration is supposed to do? It doesn't just change your appearance but your entire personality. Sylvester McCoy doesn't act anything like Jon Pertwee but they're bot still very much The Doctor. And in wanting to become a younger stronger Master he regenerated into new manic villainous form.

[CultofJ]

Martha is great in this as well. Really intense scene. 

[sukumvit]

It would have been great had Sir Derek Jacobi remained the master. I like the idea that as the Doctor has been getting overall younger with each regeneration, the Master had been getting older... Still... shame they didn't run with that idea.

[TheBlindDyslexic]

have to say in the series that was the best return iv ever seen. plus before delgado's death, plans were the Master was gonna be the Doctor's Idd.

[sigangalin]

6:37-7:30 the bast music ever

[JustB3NJI]

Im enjoying your top 10, but I do have to disagree on John Simm. I think a lot of changes can be explained with how the Time War effect him and how the Time Lords manipulated him. And also with the line "If the doctor Young and strong...The Master Reborn"

Plus an old style master was never going to prove to be competition to tennants doctor. Simms Master is like an evil double of Tennants Doctor and by being so Tennants goes from cocky and witty to on the defensive.

[wight1984]

I agree with this so much. I thought this moment was brilliant to watch. I enjoyed watching John Simms as the Master (well, not so much in the specials but then I didn't think much of the specials anyway) but it didn't live up to this performance.

I don't think they were wrong to try to twist the character and do something new with it but I think they twisted it wrongly.

[PS3Worshipper]

"As we all know, Roger Delgado was the best Master." BOOLSHUT...

[LilRonin01]

I understand your criticisms of the new vs. old, but criticizing the regeneration of the master isn't well placed. Time Lords change, so does the master. John Simms master took off that farnish of fashionable, evil villian, and embraced his more devilish side which I think was one of the best things the new series did. The only down side is that they were too hasty in killing him off and then bringing him back, then killing him off again. Last of the time lords nice idea, but it gets old.

[mattinkedron]

This was fairly awesome...i live in australia so i had cheated and read ahead and knew what was gonna happen...amazingly enough knowing made it none the less incrediable to watch!!!! The look of horror on Martha's face...the look of sheer betrayal on the face on Chantho's and the look of PURE EVIL on Yana's face...these are the moments Who fans ache for....

[mattinkedron]

This was fairly awesome...i live in australia so i had cheated and read ahead and knew what was gonna happen...amazingly enough knowing made it none the less incrediable to watch!!!!

[123wickedsweet]

I love the new series but I do agree that John Simm's Master was a little too goofy.

[darknite125]

Every actor brought their own take on the Master just like every actor who played the Doctor brought their own take on it. I loved John Simms' take on the Master and it should have been something different than what came before.

[Carbonite2008]

I've been with doctor who since the classic series really, watching the reruns as a kid, and I actually think John Simm was the best Master, purely for the way he was like a comic book character...him being just evil for the sake of it was too simple, but giving the reason as being plain insane made him more interesting as a character...I didn't like his xmas special portrayal tho :/

[doctorwho1982]

i like john sim-pertwee played dr who straight as did roger delgado- the master as john sim showed that even the master could be quirky like tom baker, tenant- i think it added to the master mystique

[farshnuke]

If you ask me, the untempered schism is just the Doctor's way of excusing the Master's actions so he can have mercy on him, I mean the Doctor can't let the only other member of his own species die and yet he can't let him get away with everything he's done either. I think in reality the Doctor and the Master are just two friends who ended up trying to kill each other every time they met.

[nightsavior1]

I've been a fan of the series since the 3rd doctor. The thing about any time-lord is a regeneration changes certain psychological quirks. At his core however The Master always was "crazy" it's just some incarnations hid it better. Someone can come off as gentlemanly & composed yet still be mad as a hatter deep down. Regardless I agree more Jacobi would have been great! However "chaos" is the heart of DR. Who so I don't expect regenerations to be much alike!

[randomfan1000]

While I loved John Simm's master I haven't actually seen any of the other masters so I can't compare. That being said the fact he's only the way he is because he looked into the time schism is ridiculous.

Oh and for the record the Riddler, as of the time of season three, was neither a villian nor crazy, at least not crazy like the master.

[PrincexJoker]

Oh my gosh, yes. The Master is not insane and thank you for saying it. No one ever seems to remember that, but if you watch Delgado it's pretty clear. 'Course, Ainley was a bit border-line, but he skirts the edge. As I've commented before, Ainley's my all-time fav. character and Master, but Delgado's definitely second.

Everything you said about Jacobi was spot on. He would have made a perfect long-lasting Master. Yana was a superb character and had so much potential.

[LorChan1919]

I liked John Simm a lot in End of Time, even if I didn't find him that interesting at the end of series 3. I know he's not really the Master as he was in the old days, but I like him.

Just because he's different doesn't make him a bad villian. He's great, IMHO - even if he's not really the Master.

[PrincexJoker]

@LorChan1919 It may not make him a bad villain, but it certainly makes him a bad Master.

[harveybullocks1281]

maybe it's just me being a batman and a doctor who fan, but i loved John Simm's portrayal as the master. I thought that he was better than Delgado, Ainsley, and Eric Roberts. I thought that making him like the 90s Batman "Joker" was a stroke of genius, plus unlike the 90s Joker he was allowed to actually kill people.

[PrincexJoker]

@harveybullocks1281 Better than Delgado and Ainley? Right... You're a new series fan, aren't you?

[harveybullocks1281]

@PrincexJoker I like both, personally my problem with Delgado's Master was that he was almost always trying to take over the world through someone else, and his stories got predictable. My personal favorite master stories from the old series are Keeper of Trakken and Deadly Assasin, both of which feature Pratt/Beavers. At the same time i really thought that the scheme from End of Time and Sound of Drums were really good, i prefer seeing the master do it himself, without "You will obey me."

[PrincexJoker]

I suppose I see what you mean about being predictable. Never really considered, that. Ainley was a bit less so, by right of being a complete nutter, but still some predictable stories, I agree. But done oh, so well.

Keeper of Traken. Oh, what a great show. One of my favorite. Superb acting, great story, good characters. Just great.

I retract my 'new series fan' comment. You, sir, are a bona fide Whovian. Cheers for you.

[PrincexJoker]

I still have to disagree on that last bit. His hypnotism was a big part of his character and power. If RTD didn't like that, then you should have just made a new character and not completely changed an already established character of some 30+ years. Giving him some 'drums' and this 'schism' thing to blame everything on just makes him a weaker character. If you told the old Master he wasn't to be blamed for anything he did, he'd probably kill you and then ask you how you felt about it then.

[harveybullocks1281]

I just thought the line "You will obey me" was really corny. I also thought the idea of him taking over the world through a hypnotic signal from cell phone satellites was genius.

[PrincexJoker]

Oh, yes. But the original Master's didn't even need a satellite or cell phone. They just needed their voice and their eyes. And sometimes just one or the other.

[Ob1MegOb1]

I have a hard time with the fact that the Doctor regenerates and has very varying personalities. While similiar all the Doctors are different some more radical and hammy than others. But when the Master regenerates he's not allowed to be different in personality? I felt that John Simm's Master allowed for diversity and yes its not everybody's cup of tea, but at least its a different Master. I think that all the Masters have their strengths and weaknesses just like all the Doctors.

[PrincexJoker]

@Ob1MegOb1 The Masters have actually all been pretty different. More similar than the Doctor perhaps, but there are fewer Masters and they obviously have less air-time and in depth development for us to see all the differences. Delgado was more a gentleman villain, while Pratt/Beevers was a psychotic nightmare, and Ainley was pretty much a mix between over-the-top (but lovable) melodramatics and borderline insanity. Simms, on the other hand, was just plain over-the-top.

[Ob1MegOb1]

@PrincexJoker yeah I knew that the Masters were all different and I have nothing against them because they are all good and bad for different reasons. I just hate when people feel that the Master and even the Doctor have to always fall under a certain guideline because of who they are. Yeah Simm is not my favorite in the 3rd series but I really did enjoy him in End of Time Part 2. Its because the insanity disappeared a little and he calmed down more.

[PrincexJoker]

I see your point. I guess I'm a little too harsh on Simm. I used to be okay with him until starting comparing him to the others. I was alright with him being different, but I just think they pushed it a little far. There are under-lying traits that Time Lords tend to keep. The Doctor's always good and, pretty much, a pacifist.

I think I really just didn't like the changes in EOT. I was okay with him up until that point. His 'hunger' monologues were annoying.

[PrincexJoker]

As was the idea that none of this was his fault, he was just some loony thanks to the Time Lord's drum thing and the schism. None of its his fault? What? That really weakens him. Plus, the Doctor would absolutely never forgive him, say he could be 'beautiful,' or want to travel with him. I mean, The Master's destroyed a large chunk of the universe, killed countless friends, and even indirectly killed on of his bodies. (Baker) The Doc wouldn't say that and the Master would just laugh if he did.

[Ob1MegOb1]

@ PrincexJoker But I do agree with everything what you said and they are all valid points :-)

[PrincexJoker]

Why, thank you.

[holmegab]

Chan won't you please take some rest tho...makes me wonder how much Chantho really knew!

[mbeswick]

This is a terrific compilation of clips and a very enjoyable analysis. Cheers.

[Whaqtraxrecords]

I like Simm's Master but it would have been good to see Jacobi's Master a bit more.

[LilyKnotwise]

I really liked John Simm's version. The thing with John Simm's Master was that it was so radically different from the original classic Who Masters. Not only is his personality and "look" different, but also his "type" of evilness. He was pushed right over the edge of insanity and that changed everything, and it's plausible that his personality took such a serious turn. Just because he's different, doesn't mean he's a bad Master. Just look at how different the Doctor's regenerations are.

[JadesVidz]

I loved John Simm as the master!

I believe he is a great actor and performed the part very well. He was comic, yes, but that worked perfectly with the idea that he is a villianous, evil, insane man and his 'joker' presence set fear into those he captured. The revived series gets 'bashed' by many older generation fans far to much, I credit it, I believe it is a mix of great Plots, Great characters and even an introduced humor that has attracted new audiences young and old. I applaud RTD.

[TheBigBlueBox]

So you think there was no humor in the classic series,... that it was RTD that introduced humor to Doctor Who. You couldn't be more wrong... Watch The Time Warrior, City of Death, the Pirate Planet, and pretty much anything with Tom Baker if you don't believe me...

[JadesVidz]

Yes I knew of the humor in general ('Do You Want A Jelly Baby!') but as a whole when you speak of the humor in the revived series, you speak negatively of it. From what I have seen of Tom Bakers episodes, the humor is more plentiful in 2006 +, and you seem to be critisising that. By the way, I havent actually lived long enough to see ALL the classics, but Tom Baker Repeats have entertained me, they are very good and funny yes, but after and before him humor did not play a big part in classics.

[TheBigBlueBox]

You're wrong that there's any more humor in the new series then there was in the classic. It's the manner of humor that's different. The classic series humor was done in the great tradition of Douglas Adams with some mild Monty Python thrown in at times. The new series relies on juvenile humor such as burping garbage bins and farting aliens.

[JadesVidz]

No infact those paticular 'jokes' are more intended for younger viewers, the shows humor is mostly played out as clever lines, (aka Journeys end when there were '3' doctors and jack says ''I cant say what Im thinking right now'') That is both clever and discrete, primarily for adult viewers and something younger viewers will not understand. It is suited for everyone.

[Carbonite2008]

@TheBigBlueBox burping garbage bins and farting aliens...sounds exactly likr monty python :/

[filoponex6]

@TheBigBlueBox Hmm, burping garbage bins and farting aliens - that just about covers the 2005 revamp series, but what about David Tennant's run? Personally I don't think it's as simple as 'Classic series trumps New in humour' or vice versa; instead I'd say that it's more a case of the evolution of what's funny. British humour has changed as a whole, there's as many good things about that as there are bad. Change is an unexpected guest, almost never welcome but ultimately appreciated. Chill :).

[Dartpaw86]

@TheBigBlueBox No-one liked the Slitheen... they weren't meant to be funny just gross to show that they're disgusting evil creatures.

I respect the New series but I also respect the old series. All in all they're both Doctor Who so I don't separate them into two different classifications. (Different writers yes... but I love Doctor Who much I don't judge it... despite I "am sick" of Amy and Rory and the recent story Arcs)

[ctraver]

@TheBigBlueBox S5-6 is less slapstick. Still not quite classic, but Moffatt is much closer to that style than RTD was.

I do think the insanity was reasonably justified in the John Simm stories, though it would be nice to see a story set in between that showed more of a slide towards this rather than the sudden onset. Also, with that stuff resolved, the next Master should return to the refined evil of Ainley and Delgado. Maybe a little sillier than them, but not to John Simm levels.

[theperformingguy112]

@ctraver I did prefer davies, I don't really think moffat is as good as building up to the climax ending, whereas davies is. His episodes are just as good, but davies was better at endings. For example, the last season, the ending could have been written by anyone, it was very poorly done, and totally anti climatic. I was expecting omega or something.

[angelarowlands]

i agree with ShootStlyeZombie

[ShootStyleZombie]

I have to disagree, I think it was kinda fitting Simm's Master got crazier, the fact, according to the show, The Master was Professor Yana for 17 years and it was just building up from there plus a regeneration as well and regeneration has always given The Doctor problems, might as well give The Master some problems as well

[slavemale2]

With just one look to camera, Sir Derek Jacobi, immediately becomes The Naster. A performance that someone such as John Simms could never approach in his wildest dreams.

[13seahorse31]

It too bad that it looks like they just turned around and killed the master. Regardless of the new portrayal, you really shouldn't kill a supervillian!!!

[TheBigBlueBox]

The Master isn't dead, remember the ring at the end... He'll be in the final special, count on it...

[TheArthasmenethril]

@TheBigBlueBox and now he is stuck in the Time War or in hideing

[Eleglas]

@TheBigBlueBox Already was. In David Tennants last episode.

[Rathause]

agree.

[dbvixxen]

Just about the only good episode of the series 3 finale.

[uncannyrman]

Sir Derek Jacobi's Master was awesome.

[germanchap]

John Simm was nowhere near as AWESOME as Sir Jacobi. Like you metioned John Simm was surreal comic villian.

[sandypsyche]

Best moment from the new series by far.

[kyon813]

6:50: The Master is back, baby!

[glnelson1956]

Agreed. This bit is great writing and great acting with character that approaches classic Who at its best!

Great scene selection and editing by the way!

[SnakeOnAPlane]

In wholeheartedly agree. Derek Jacobi was the dark old man the Master should be, not the fruity dancer we ended up with after.

[DocJackz]

Wonderful moment. I really wish we had got Derek Jacobi as the Master for the finale instead of John Simm.