Answering Jehovah's Witnesses BRI Part 3 of 3

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1*. So, was it the "Holy Spirit of Jehovah" who commanded faithful Jehovah's witnesses to build the Beth Sarim mansion for the saints of old to live in when they returned in 1925, according to the Watchtower prophecy (Beth Sarim - the mansion where Judge Rutherford lived until his death - and was later sold)?

2*. Ask the council to give you an answer to that one and I'll ask them more later. Do you think they will give you any answer at all, let alone a truthful one?

[tommotian]

@afterraincomessun re GET BACK [1]

"YOU HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER TO THIS WORLD BUT CONFUSION"

You have nothing to offer to us but total subjection to your "Organization". The Watchtower Society is much more than merely a think tank.

"If anyone [for example a JW] is confident that they [the JWs] belong to Christ",

THEN WHAT? Are there no others? Listen:

"they should consider again that we [who are NOT JWs] belong to Christ just as much as they [the JWs] do"!

2 Cor 10:7!

!

[tommotian]

@afterraincomessun re GET BACK [2]

The conclusion, then, is that being a Christian is not a case of which Organization you belong to, but of whether you belong to Christ or not!

Second, the worldly society, which your Society always considers itself superior, to is God's servant. Rom 13:4. We are so far left to fend for ourselves, and that is a FACT.

"My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me." John 10:27.

WHO are we to follow Bernard?

1*. Jesus?

2*. the Society?

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1*. OK, I certainly can. Jesus already did it for me. Many false prophets will arise (Charles Taze Russell, Judge Rutherford, the Watchtower - the prophecies are well documented - miracle wheat, Beth Sarim, etc.) saying that he is Christ and shall deceive many. They will say things like he has already come (1914) and is in the secret chambers (Matt 24:26).

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[afterraincomessun]

@bereanresearch

boom boom again the wicked slave beating his fellow slaves.

yeah that happens when armageddon did not come and you are wicked. nothing better to do then.

[tommotian]

@afterraincomessun

This is a sick propaganda statement. All you want, ALL, is for us to submit to your Governing Body.

You know as well as I do that the Writing Department produces no articles to be printed in the Watchtower magazine regarding doctrine WITHOUT the explicit command of these 7 old men - but there are 7 000 000 JWs! IF you for conscientious reasons go against them you are disfellowshipped!

THEY are the wicked slave and you are a victim going back to them for more torture!

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1**. Actually, I have never been a J.W. In fact, I've never even been in a Kingdom Hall. But, I have loved Jehovah's witnesses for nearly 40 years and have had many conversations with them.

2**. Almost always, my questions remain unanswered or are answered with statements that simply make no sense, or that prove in the end to be wrong - such as being told before 1975 that the world would end in 1975. A lot of J.W.s lost faith in the Watchtower over that prophecy.

[bereanresearch]

2*. The Antichrist will cause everyone to receive a mark in their right hand or forehead, without which they cannot buy or sell. When before 1914 did this happen?

3*. Who are some of the people who were caught up to meet the Lord in the air when he returned in 1914? (I Thess 4:17) Name them for me.

4*. I could go on and on with more examples.

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

So you think that suffering the vengeance of eternal fire is "hope"? (Jude 1:7)

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1. God's word in English, the King James Bible is TRUTH (John 17:17) and it is our final authority and judge (John 12:48)

2. God doesn't make mistakes, and all of his prophecies come to pass, but the Watchtower has made hundreds of mistakes and many of its prophecies have failed. Therefore, if the Watchtower is a prophet, then what kind of prophet would it be?

3. Don't let the organization fool you into losing your soul. Research the things I have said. Email me for more.

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

So you think that suffering the vengeance of eternal fire is "hope"? (Jude 1:7)

[tommotian]

@afterraincomessun

This is a question hard to answer. No doubt many will be resurrected who have never heard of Christ or the Ransom. Will some of them at the onset be spiritually dead ones? Probably. But they will be given the opportunity to do something about their unfortunate state.

Some of those becoming Christians in Paul's days were said to have been dead but they had become alive again.

Eph 2:5.

[bereanresearch]

@tommotian

1. Thank you for writing.

2. This is actually not a hard question to answer at all. The bible is very clear. All of the spiritually dead will be resurrected at the second resurrection where they will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment and then cast into the lake of fire where they will be tormented for ever and ever. "I saw the dead, ... stand before God..." (Rev 20:12-15)

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1*. All whose names are written in the book of life will be resurrected in the first resurrection and will have everlasting life (John 5:29; Rev 20:4-5; John 3:16; many more).

2*. Those in the first resurrection escape the second death (Rev 20:6)

3*. None of those resurrected in the second resurrection will have everlasting life. (John 5:29) They are dead (Rev 20:15). Their names are not in the book of life. Otherwise, they would have been raised in the first resurrection.

[tommotian]

@bereanresearch

No opposition there. But I was also thinking of the billions who have never had a chance ...

God Bless.

[bereanresearch]

@tommotian

3. All Christians were "dead in sins"; not just "some" of them. (Eph 2:5) Everyone is "dead in trespasses and in sins" until they are saved.

4. When we repent from our sins, believe on Jesus Christ for payment of those sins, and receive the Holy Ghost (baptized into the body of Jesus Christ wherein we receive life), then we are no longer spiritually dead.

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1*. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (II Cor 5:8) - we continue to exist, even after our bodies die.

2*. The spirit of God will raise our mortal bodies at the last trump (I Cor 15:51-54).

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[bereanresearch]

3*. (Con't) God raised Jesus from the dead. (Acts 13:30). The Father raised Jesus from the dead. (Gal 1:1). The Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. (Rom 8:11). Jesus raised himself from the dead. (John 2:19; John 10:18; John 11:25)

4*. But Jesus only raised from the dead once. Therefore, these are one of many proofs that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are all "God".

5*. This will be at the last trump, Armageddon, at the second coming of the Lord. (I Cor 15:51)

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1. I just cited several verses that prove God (the Father, the Son and the Spirit) all raised Jesus from the dead.

2. Do you believe the scriptures, or don't you?

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1**. Yes, that is exactly correct! (tommotian is not correct - it is not a hard question to answer at all. The bible is very clear.) I answered this in an earlier response to you - all of the spiritually dead will be resurrected at the second resurrection where they will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment and then cast into the lake of fire where they will be torment for ever and ever. "I saw the dead, ... stand before God..." (Rev 20:12-15)

[kpdsza]

You seem oblivious to the truth that resurrection does NOT equal justification. You listen but you don't hear, look but don't see.

[FreeAtLast1914]

Great work, BRI!

Your points revolving around the JWs habit of deferring to WT theology when the scriptures fail to support them is dead on. Most of them do not know the Bible as the Bible is written; they know it from the WT Society's ever-changing vantage point, which happens to be the only one they are concerned with.

Sad, but I still hope and pray that they all will one day see the truth for what it is rather than what they want it to be.

[bereanresearch]

2. Comparing scripture with scripture, the resurrection of life occurs when Jesus returns to earth (I Thess 4:16) and the resurrection of damnation occurs one thousand years later (Rev 20:7) when death and hell deliver up the dead which are in them (Rev 20:13) and whosoever is not found written in the book of life will be cast in the lake of fire. (Rev 20:15)

[bereanresearch]

1. John 5:29 says, "And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." By my count, that's two resurrections - the resurrection of life and the resurrection of damnation.

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1*. Yes. Jesus was speaking to a disciple whom he had just commanded to follow him. The disciple asked that he first be allowed to go and bury his father (Matt 8:21-22). Jesus said, "Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead."

2*. Corpses cannot bury corpses. This passage is speaking of spiritually dead people burying those among themselves who have physically died. As a disciple, the man was not spiritually dead; he was alive - both physically and spiritually.

(Con't)

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1**. There are two resurrections - the resurrection of life and the resurrection of damnation (John 5:29). The first occurs at the time of Armageddon when Jesus returns. The second is 1,000 years later at the Great White Throne judgment.

2**. All of the spiritually dead will be resurrected at the second resurrection where they will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment and then cast into the lake of fire. "I saw the dead, ... stand before God..." (Rev 20:12-15)

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1*. Jesus will come back in like manner as he went into heaven (Acts 1:11) - physically.

2*. Satan will be bound for 1,000 years when the Lord returns (Rev 20:2).

3*. There are MANY other things that prove Jesus did not return in 1914; not the least of which is the fact that the Watchtower keeps changing its doctrine with respect to 1914 and 1934, etc. Heaven was closed in 1934, but is now open again - according to the Watchtower. (The Lord doesn't make such mistakes.)

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1***. If you are serious about discussing this in depth, I can answer you more easily and thoroughly by email than by these short postings.

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[bereanresearch]

2***. Ye SHALL live also. Look at the context - verse 20 - (John 14:20) "At THAT day". Every eye will see him return (Rev 1:7). Then the WORLD wouldn’t seem him any more after his return (not his departure), because they would be judged and sent to the lake of fire. But Christians would continue to see him after THAT day because we would be together with him forever.

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[bereanresearch]

3***. Even with internet and cable tv the whole world can see events around the world today, and God is far more able to show himself in person (Rev 1:7) than by needing our simple technology. That is scripture; not fantasy.

4***. The signs will indicate his soon return; they do not announce that he has already come (read the text of scripture - Matt 24 - and ignore Watchtower literature, the thoughts of men).

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1**. You need to get a copy of God’s word - the King James Bible. It says, "what shall be the sign of thy COMING", not "the sign of your PRESENCE". It makes no sense to say "the sign of your presence". Think about it. If you were coming to my house for supper, you would question my sanity, if I asked you that. The sign of your presence would be the fact that you were actually here, you had arrived.

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[bereanresearch]

2**. But the disciples wanted to know the signs to look leading up to his return, so they could WATCH and be READY, as they were commanded. Watchtower literature is absolutely bizarre in several ways, and it will lead you astray faster than Watchtower magazines print updated changes to its doctrines.

[bereanresearch]

3*. (continued) Jesus was saying that the disciple needed to "go thou and preach the kingdom of God" (Luke 9:60).

4*. The spiritually dead have no hope after they are also physically dead. The spiritually dead who mourn for them and eulogize them after they die are wasting their time. Disciples are not supposed to do that. Disciples are commanded to go and preach the kingdom of God.

5*. Thanks for the good question.

[bereanresearch]

@afterraincomessun

1**. The Jews knew about the definitive judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Gen 19:24-28) Jesus was simply tapping into that understanding to emphasize the fact that those who reject his gospel can expect the same judgment or worse. (Matt 10:15)

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[bereanresearch]

2**. (continued) Only an organization as blind and corrupt as the Watchtower would argue that suffering the vengeance of eternal fire is "hope" (Jude 1:7). I suggest you get a King James Bible, research the Watchtower's false prophesies, and reconsider whether you should trust the false and changing doctrines of the Watchtower.

[bereanresearch]

1. The bible says, "the soul that sinneth, it shall die". (Ez 18:4, 20) Adam sinned; Adam died. That is a cause and effect relationship.

2. God had already established this principle in Gen 2:17 - before Adam sinned. Therefore, when Adam chose to sin (the cause part), the consequence of his choice (the effect part) was that he died.

[bereanresearch]

2. I have provided much proof that, whether alive or dead, all will appear before God to be judged at a future date. So far, the Watchtower has failed to provide even one verse that says Adam and Eve are exempt from that judgment.

[bereanresearch]

1. You are engaging here in the fallacy of digression or false emphasis in focusing on the Tree of Life when I hadn't even mentioned it. The issue at hand is whether God executed final judgment on Adam and Eve or whether he reserves that final judgment for a future date (John 5:29, II Pet 2:9).

[bereanresearch]

1. Tony, thank you for returning to view and comment on our new set of videos.

2. At the 3:03 minute mark of video 2 of 3, Robin incorrectly remembered/reported what I had said and then he chastised me (thereby committing a 'straw man' fallacy) as if I had actually said it. I then explained his error in clear and definitive terms.

3. Therefore, it is amazing to me that (after having seen our videos) you would herein posit the same erroneous premise that Robin did.

[supermanny73]

Wow. This was a tremendous video series. Thank you for posting it. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I hope Robin opens up to the truth of God's word.

[bereanresearch]

Thank you; and Amen.

[bereanresearch]

1. Thank you for watching and for your encouraging response.

2. He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me (Matt 10:40)