La Société du spectacle - Society of the Spectacle - 1/9

[madisonleekillough]

i wish the narration was the same voice as Alpha 60 in Godard's Alphaville.

[20v22]

A new film titled '20-22: Society of the Spectacle' will be coming out in late 2012

[mateo3470]

L'âge de l'image est l'âge de l'écran.

[revpunk1977]

I REALLY wish i could understand what the fuck this man was going on about.

[OutsideTheBox28]

Today, half naked men's bodies would be included in such a film. While women's bodies r still objectified to a far worse degree, watching this film has made me aware of how much in the last few years men's bodies r becoming more of a sexualized spectacle rather than just a spectacle of masculinity and power. I really wish the media would leave all of our bodies alone. And I also think we should remake this film for today's audiences!

[theH0UNDSofD00M]

@OutsideTheBox28 I think you're right, plus, I guess Debord's work is not copyrighted. certainly not the texts he wrote, at least not the one I've found at bopsecrets(dot)org is not.

I also agree that his work is now more important than ever, for the simple reason that now it's easier to spread the word, well, sort of...Hopefully the receiver is not watching soaps or "reality" tv shows on-line.

[Konicava]

@theH0UNDSofD00M Its really amazing how he talked about mass media mind control and propaganda. I just cant look at the world the same way after reading his book, consumerism and all those spectacles disgust me, not that Im a socialist organizer, I also hate the regimes marxism influenced, just shows how we are actually too greedy to make a fair economic and political system, we're just monkeys after all, what can you expect right.

[GunsnrosesUS]

What is the music at 1:34 ? MIchel Corrette, but which piece? Quel est le morceau à 1m34 ?

merci !

[johnvhirst]

more true than ever. what a man

[VoxJoxx]

Debord is exceptional at translating marxism into realism. He has made me wonder why and how society got it so wrong and is able to live in perpetual servitude. Makes laugh and cry at the same time.

[SpectacleofDebord]

xxXCALIBURxx brings up a good point. I understand the importance of the film's authenticity, the dangers of oversimplification, and mass production. However, its disingenuous to apply a radical critique if the people most able to benefit from the criticism are unable to understand the material? It seems like resource accessibility would take a priority in a theoretical orientation so deeply entrenched in Marxist thought....

[xxXCALIBURxx]

I wonder why this video was never translated into an English Version...

[dasbakon]

Because dubbing films ruins them. Why the hell would you ever want to see a dubbed version of any film?

[xxXCALIBURxx]

I guess the point would be to make it so you don't have to learn a new language or read subtitles.

[Beingmeansliberty]

La lie du cinéma.

[SexyyBienchen91]

will ja nicht nerven aber bin einsam wer hat lust zu quatschen

[faceman501]

That thing taffboy said is very important, though. Not dub it, but to redo it, to update it, to remake it (or make a new one altogether under the same spirit, i mean, we have Zizek now, Bauman... Michael Moore, hahaha). Many are doing similar things these days, from Weapons of Mass Deception, the Pinky Show and that Zizec documentary, to LaChapelle and Radiohead, but there is still some merit to be given to whoever manages to bring it all together, kind-of...

[LovexandxRage]

Would it be fucked up if someone were to detourn Debord's work into something pro-capitalist?

[Euroflounder]

Wouldn't that be recuperation,not détournement?

[LovexandxRage]

Euroflounder-

I guess you're right. I guess I never thought of recuperation in that perspective. I always looked at it as turning something subversive into mainstream commodity. It totally can work both ways though. Thanks for bringing that up

[mekanopsis1]

hurr

[Euroflounder]

Does anyone else find it odd that he copyrighted this film?

[Communitis]

Probably done to prevent the misuse or abuse of his film for capitalist interest or profit, or worse, to be recuperated to suit counter-revolutionary ends.

[Euroflounder]

I guess that makes sense, just like people do anti-copyright now, which is legally the same as copyright, but they only enforce it is it's used by people they don't agree with.

[taffboy72]

Someone should re-do it in English for the new century.

[frogsylitious07]

I have scarcely begun to make you understand that I dont intend to play the game.

[bohemiastudios]

Not many people, sit and watch this.

[kurdaghasul]

well they should, don't agree with it just know it (food for thought) most of my friends don't know who Duchamp is! and why should they, they are praised and valued ony trough their ability to assess risk from doctors to accountants! lol i mean why know guy debord or zizek when you can have Paris Hilton! replace imagination with money is our new agenda.

[tobybenedetto]

I am lying.

[tobybenedetto]

I am lying.

[palestine0anarchy]

after 5:50 it becomes really interesting...

[draikentz]

This is garbage, dribble. Its a jumbled up unintelligible mess, a confused copy of ideas taken directly from the already confusing and absurd Hegel.

The spectacle social is the spectacle, which is a substantial manifestation of its will to confusion.

[skonerr]

I m not sure. Debord are less stupid. But "dans le monde réellement renversé, le vrai est un moment du faux".

[tobybenedetto]

I think the subject demands a more thorough and detailed interpretation that is discursive rather than being so cheaply reductionist.

[tobybenedetto]

I think the relevance of these writings is beginning to become part of history rather than part of the present and the future. I believe the spectacle is beginning to dissolve and reality is becoming more cohesive. The shit is hitting the fan.

[ariekanibalie]

Really? (no pun intended). Why do you say that? Seems to me like Debord's notion of social relations being mediated by images is more true now, in the myspace/facebook era, than ever before. One could argue Debord has become irrelevant, because the spectacle (or what Baudrillard terms the 3rd order of simulacra, simulations etc.) has all but outrun the social real. Today's general passivity is unsurpassed, and I don't see it changing unless somewhow all control systems suddenly self-destruct.

[tobybenedetto]

The waning of the United States as the world's only superpower and the shift in economic power from west to east is forcing people to sit up and take notice, forcing us from our drug and television induced sleep. This is compounded by local economic problems forcing the individual to administer closer control over the minutae of their lives. On top of this we are being forced into action as a species to defend ourselves from the effects of climate change. Our time is now.

[polaroideye]

You're 100% right there, this is so relevant and I hope action will happen now.

[jaironia]

Absolutely agree with you. Debord's arguments are more than valid today than ever before. A single example of that: Reality shows.

[riovuaeb]

I am in total agreement as well. However, a central problem of Debord - and post-marxist theory in general - is that he presupposes that there will be an authentic proletariat "call to action" once the blindfold has been lifted. Maybe the spectacle is all there is, and despite its turning falsity into truth, there lies nothing behind it. It's a little naive, i think, to assume an 'authentic' truth underlying the spectacle itself.

[Communitis]

The following year after La Société du Spectacle hit the shelves in 1967, wikipedia . org/wiki/May_68 happened, in which L'Internationale situationniste played an immensely influential role. The first wildcat general strike in history, May '68 conclusively demonstrated the prowess and historical proponderance of working class struggle. Such struggles which persist in our world since then. I think the conclusions of genuine Marxists, including Debord, are pretty well founded upon this fact.

[skonerr]

@riovuaeb : Le sujet de l’histoire, chez Debord, n’apparaît pas comme toujours déjà donné et prêt à l'action. Certes, il résulte d’un procès d’auto-production : il est « le vivant se produisant lui-même » (SP §74). Mais son existence n’est que « possible », elle doit encore « émerger » dans « la lutte » elle-même (§ 52). (Le lieu de cette émergence est du reste celui, conflictuel et divisé, des Conseils ouvriers (§ 116).

[skonerr]

@riovuaeb : Plus généralement, quant à l'idée que "to assume an 'authentic' truth underlying the spectacle itself" serait naïf, que pensez-vous du postulat de Badiou selon lequel "il n'y a que des corps et des langages (= axiome du 'spectacle'), sinon qu'il y a des vérités (=ce qu'il convient selon Badiou d'opposer audit 'spectacle')" ? Merci.

[tobybenedetto]

We are all equal in that we are all unique.

[tobybenedetto]

Love is the greatest revolutionary act of all.

[VoxJoxx]

@tobybenedetto Love as we know it cannot change the world, the world is incapable of "love" we have no real concept of it, love has been counterfeited as a spectacle, an illusion, I would change the word and create a new free concept and understanding.

[tobybenedetto]

@VoxJoxx balls

[VoxJoxx]

@tobybenedetto and you need to grow some?

[davevontexas]

Thank you.

[megaperl]

deberían ponerlo en las escuelas

[joselegonzalez]

Thanks very much for uploading. Debord´s truth has been confirmed since 1967 and it is more actual than ever.