Jerry's Red Light Camera ticket

[joe8094]

you have come to a COMPLETE stop there he did not he is guilty.

[tomboi1978]

That was an illegal turn. He didn't stop first. Even though there is an island, there is no merging lane and the turn lane has a red light dedicated to it. That means he still has to stop and then proceed when safe. I hate red light cameras because I think they are unconstitutional as you can't face your accuser in court but if a cop had seen it he still could have gotten the ticket. So short answer is yes he did deserve the ticket.

[bobbyjustbobby1]

it's legal to turn right only after a complete stop. pretty simple.

[aleksander2011]

how did you download this video from there website?

[theraf8100]

I hate to say it, but no complete stop means he probably deserved the ticket.

[Stifsim6]

Hornguy314 KICKS ASS!!

This dude freakin' rocks!

[BanPhotoRadar]

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[zac41189]

it a red light.. and what do you do at red lights..? you stop. its that simple. regardless of going straight through an intersection or turning.

and to the poster of this video, your argument of it being a "safe right turn" has no relevance to running a red light. there might've been no one coming, but he still ran a red light and deserved any fines he had to pay.

[ChompsterChomp]

@zac41189 Not when turning right. At a red light, you can legally turn right after a full stop. He didn't stop fully, so the radar saw it as running a red light.

[zac41189]

yeah that's what my last comment said.

[mattbjrs]

slow down and turn on red. is it an accepted driving practice? yes. is it by-the-book legal? no

[Stifsim6]

Sure, it's legal to turn right on a red...AFTER YOU HAVE COME TO A COMPLETE STOP. You can't roll through a corner at 12 miles an hour, then bitch about your "Big Brother" ticket.

As for turning with / without stopping...expect that sooner or later, someone will be texting, eating or applying mascara, hit you, and you will be at fault (and injured or dead), as they have the right-of-way.

Guns are not a problem...idiots with 3500 pound automotive weapons are.

[hitmansmurder]

it flashed before he even got to the line, so even if he did stop it still would have given him a ticket, i think he shouldn't have gotten a ticket, people do that all the time

[emutiny]

yes you still need to stop you moron.  not legal.

[3ashmeik]

same thing happened to me...i was gonna plead "not guilty"..but my dad told me not to because he would've had to go with me if i went to court..anyways my ticket was $381 in california

[Stifsim6]

And just what, exactly, were you going to present as a defense? Short of insanity, you'd be outta luck.

$381 is cheap...if you're a kid, they'll really get you with the increase in car insurance cost!

[boamuro]

@3ashmeik $381?!?! omg that's bs.

[Ndizzyinthehizzy]

He did not stop first.

[TrafficMonster]

When you're making a left or right turn on a red light, you still need to stop. Then you can proceed with the turn. Your friend clearly did not stop...

[Buz]

Update:

Jerry entered a "not guilty" plea by mail and requested a trial date.

The City prosecutor decided not to prosecute and voided the ticket, dropping the charges.

[shaned8845]

In Australia, that would be running a red light, unless there is a sign saying turn permitted on red after stopping.

There are not many of these type of signs around , usually if you are facing a red light regardless of which direction you are heading, you must wait for the Green, not just stop, look and go like you you seam to be able to in US

Clearly the camera was triggered buy the turning car, so I would say the law for that particular intersection (state,locality)would be you have to stop

[Buz]

In the U.S. Congress ammended the national traffic laws more than thirty year ago as a fuel-saving measure and to move traffic more efficiently to make "Right turn on red after stop" the default law thrughout the entire country unless specifically prohibited by a posted sign. Also, most "modern" intersections, when conditions permit, include seperate right-turn lanes (like the intersection pictured) that have eliminated the requirement to stop if oncomming traffic is not present.

[shaned8845]

Good outcome then (re; Jerry), so why did they place a trigger in the right turn lane, when it's legal to turn right on a red?.

In Aust., The law is the other way around, you can turn on red IF there is sign that say's you can, no sign, no turn on red. Up until recently We Also have road laws that vary from state to state, but the underlining thing was you had to know the local laws, Didn't know your honour, didn't get you off what ever fine you got.

[Buz]

"...so why did they place a trigger in the right turn lane, when it's legal to turn right on a red?..."

The theory was that he didn't come to a complete and total stop.

The real problem is that photo enforcement of speed limits and at traffic lights isn't about safety; it's all about revenue. Larger cities are raking in millions of dollars a year from those mailed-out citations.

[stlcards2006WS]

Hey Buz,

Where did you get this info from. I may have unknowingly done the same thing and was wondering if its OK to turn right without coming to a complete stop if the lane is dedicated to right turns.

THanks,

[Buz]

To be honest, I've never been through that particular intersection; and with the snow, I can't tell how it's configured.

Usually, when there's a right-turn "island" like that, modern intersections have a "merge" lane on the intersecting street and the island blocks cross traffic from using that lane. If that's the case, it should be a "proceed with caution".

Most cops, unless they're on a ticket quota, enforce the traffic laws with discretion; this guy made safe right turn. (hit word limit)

[hornguy314]

that isn't an island. it had snowed and the plow had left that wedge. that's not concrete!

[manualtrans257]

He did not stop at the light. In Minnesota it is considered running a red light if you do not stop first then go. The only way around this is if they install a green arrow that allows right turns when cross traffic is turning. $250 fine in Minnesota for running the light.