To be honest I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If you wana cover your face what's so wrong? a bit like guys who wear balaclavas or who try to hide their faces behind hoodies. Personally, I don't agree with it, true thing, but I'd definately never impose anyone not to wear one or like fine them ridiculous amounts of money because of it. I'm sure the police have more important things to do.
The French need to focus on their Hygiene more then on banning a face veil. The so called Liberating women argument, is so F^&7en OLD and stupid. So, can someone tell me the difference between the Taliban LAW FORCING women to wear burqua and this law to remove it? I think They need a law to force them to take more showers and use deodorant, will have effect en society.
which is contradictory to what the taliban is doing in afghanistan, therefore, disgracing islam.similarly, a woman has the right to work if her husband or guardian is unable to or doesnt provide enough for her. All the reasons for which the stupid, ignorant terrorists have killed thousands of innocents were POLITICAL, NOT RELIGIOUS!.
as a muslim and a woman, just stating a fact, the face veil was NEVER mandatory in islam, nor was the BURQA, islam asks women to wear modest clothing and to cover their hair. The face veil and the burqa are the CULTURE of the middle east, theyre not part of the religion. Similarly, the oppression of women in those countries are also a part of their TRADITION, islam is AGAINST, oppression of women. Infact, just to give an example, education is a muslim man or woman's right...
I think it´s a good decision to ban the burqa in France. The burqa isn´t only a religious sign its additional to that a sign of oppression from woman all over the world. We respect the every religion but we have to set borders which are compatible with our constitution. I hope that our politicans would be so consequent, too. Switzerland and France give a good example. This debat started in a lot of countries we will see the results. Greets from Germany
I think it´s a good decision to ban the burqa in France. The burqa isn´t only a religious sign its additional to that a sign of oppression from woman all over the world. We respect every religion but we have to set borders which are compatible with our constitution. I wish our politicans would be as consequent as yours in this question, this debat has started in a lot of countries ^^ Greets from Germany
I think it´s a good decision to ban the burqa in France. The burqa isn´t only a religious sign its additional to that a sign of oppression from woman all over the world. We respect the every religion but we have to set borders which are compatible with our constitution. I wish our politicans would be as consequent as yours in this question ^^
I know this is a debat which is started in a lot of coutries Greets from Germany
I think it´s a good decision to ban the burqa in France. The burqa isn´t only a religious sign its additional to that a sign of oppression from woman all over the world. We respect the every religion but we have to set borders which are compatible with our constitution. I wish our politicans would be as consequent as yours in this question ^^ Greets from Germany
The fact is that secular ethics does encompass tolerance for religious practices, and it would be wise not to suggest that a burka is portraying anything negative at all?
interestingly enough Orthodox Jews also have a strict segregation between men and women during their prayer service. So the mind is focussed purely on God, and there is no distraction. Furthermore, Jewish women cover their hair upon marriage (like Muslim women and like christian nuns [in the Bible it says for women to cover their hair 1 Corinthians, chapter 11) so this isn't anything new or unique to Islam ... if you ban the headscarf you should not be hypocrites and also ban nuns and others ...
Muslims being alienated? What a shocker there. We go out of our way to appease these third world fucks and what do we get in return? A country going to hell, and all in the name of being nice. Fucking libtards should be deported along with all the Muslims.
Don't these burka wearing women realize that we all see them and have pity? The world feels sorry for you and your kids and we know the man you are with is inadequate sexually. Thats what we're thinking. We'd rarely admit it...but thats what sane people think.
@mijnshit see! we understand each other! BREAKTHROUGH!!! Now if only we could stay in our own land we could be happy. Muslims could stay where there is already Sharia law, and Westerners could stop trying to civilize those countries with sharia law. Quit leaving your 3rd world shit holes to come stink up our progress. We have a good thing going- make your own.
Muslim women who have a problem with following our laws on the burka can simply go back to the middle east. PROBLEM SOLVED. Western women cover up whenever they visit saudi arabia in respect of it's laws- Muslim women can show the same courtesy in western countries or leave. PERIOD.
Some women justify wearing the burqa as being safe and that it stops men from looking at them and prevents harassment. IMO it actually makes ppl stare at them even more. I was in Saudi for some time and when that country can force every women regardless of culture or religion to wear that thing so why cant other countries ban them..good. Hope this trend spreads to more countries.
if they don't like the rules. then they should leave. if it causes muslims to rise up and become radical like the islamic extremists say to do then they should rise up in their own country or at least where they feel most comfortable. all I can really say on a personal note having these people dressed in this way makes me and many other fellow europeans feel very uncomfortable, that being said they should respect us by putting us at ease by removing this garment.
Mistake french made; they made a big deal of it. As of now, less than 2000 women wear it, but with this ban, we will have thousands, you know, they will rebell by wearing this weird burqa. I am muslim and can't comprehend it, it existed historically in middle east before monotheist religion, nothing new to that area and not an islamic prescription. As a matter of fact, rich women used to wear to distinguish themselves from "lower class" what a waste of life!
why did it exist to begin with, it's such a weird thing! why hiding oneself from this world, how can you live outside and by the way, it must be hot and you need sunshine, your bones will britle.... not healthy and not natural! a weird archaic cultural thing that belonged in middle east and all, jews, christians, muslims and others, wore it then,.... I think it is a disorder, I am muslim and I approve this message.
of course we know that french are mother fuckers.. u rotten eggs y u want people of other cultures to turn into bitches and bastards like u.. sluts. im not a muslim but still i support them. tell ur pope to suck u... if u really dont have any interest in culture or believes. n one more thing, the way these migrants are depending on u... the same way u r depending on them for get ur work done. its just a give n take relation. they have got no need to follow ur customs
@deepthim82 na dude its not a case of not having a cultural interest its just most of the world couldnt give a fuck for muslim culture. i dont know about france but here in Oz we sure as hell dont look to muslims to get our work done, who'd employ someone who wont fit in? pull your head out of your date.
@mrfirefli I believe Muslims are thousand times better than Christians. We have both muslims and Christians in our country. But no muslim will interfere in our religious things like a christian bastard do. Those rotten eggs have got no other business other then converting hindus into that stinking Christianity. If some religion is to be banned, I believe its Christianity first
@deepthim82 hey i dont give a fuck about christians either and if the burqa was part of their culture i'd be saying they should cop the same ban but it is not part of their culture is it? im not going to compare religion's with you but my opinion is if you want to wear a burqa then stay in the middle east where it's a way of life, it does not belong here just like a bikini doesent belong in afghanistan.
Human right is violated just like it violated in Afganistan by Taliban where they force to wear burka but next in France they force to wear bikini. May be they impose all girl in France must sex in public and wear bikini in Christian Church. Govt. should not violate UN resolution which is right to wear by own choice. Nazi France
@ThePorkistani you should be banned on youtube .. you dont think befor you write anything so i guess your muslem you just judge without thinking about that .. and when it is rly true that there already is a burqua ban in canada i´ll move there ;)
why keep the traditions of a country you fled from in the first place? if you like you traditions stay in your country! otherwise, when in rome do as the romans..
growing up in italy I made an italian friend that converted to islam. he did not feel comfortable in italy anymore and moved to syria. where he met his beautiful wife and had children. it was the best place for him.
Ston ThatRolls I agree... If they like their religion so much stay the fuck where they were... its not about religion its about Identity! If they hide there face it is imposible to police to tell who they are. Wish Canada would grow a set and do the same!
What about the ones born in France, raised in France to French mothers and French fathers? Where would you send them? What would you do with the French Muslims?
What is this about "identity" and "policing" people? There is no such thing. No law says you have to know what someone looks like. No law that says people in the general population need to be "policed". You are out of your mind. Under what rock have you been living that you think people can be treated this way?
I find it hypocritical that most of the same people who are yelling for the "right" of a woman to wear a burqa or niqab would not support the "right" of a woman to NOT WEAR a burqa or niqab in a Muslim country....or a Muslim neighborhood in a Western country!
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Since those who wish to IMPOSE the burqa/niqab would not grant others the right NOT TO WEAR the burqa/niqab; I say:
BAN THE BURQA and NIQAB
"Liberté, égalité, fraternité " must reflect the will of the French majority!
To everyone using the words islamophobia or religionphobia... Phobia by defintion means an irrational fear. Is it irrational of me to fear suicide bombers? How about the murder and mistreatment of women or genocide throughout history that was motivated by religion. My fear is not irrational. I think France is doing a good thing. Its time for islam to enter the 21st century and leave violence and war behind.
This seems backwards what you're saying. One cannot call for an end to violence and war by denying others their human rights. In fact, by banning burqa, France is taking a step towards creating violence and war. The French cannot deny Muslim women our rights to dress how we choose. This is utter nonsense. This is obviously the beginning of a long fight. May Islam stand the victor. ameen.
first they want to ban the burqa, next it will be banning wife beating, eventually they will want to ban the call to murder of cartoonists & dutch politicians & jews
Banning the burka in France will change nothing. Those 500 women like me who want to wear the face veil will just leave France & go elsewhere. Which is ultimately what France wants anyway: No diversity. France wants everyone to be the same, to be secular.
As for wife beating, the statistics say that 2 million French women are victims of physical abuse every year with majority being by a spouse. 100's in the suburbs die by the hands of their own spouses or other family member.
So, perhaps France should begin with those 2 million women. Most of this violence is blamed on alcoholism. Another social problem France might consider working on while they're on the issue of BAN. "Alcohol may be involved in nearly half of the deaths from road accidents, half of all homicides, and one-quarter of suicides," according to the French equivalent of the U.S. Institutes of Health.
As for banning the call to murder cartoonists etc: I don't know how they plan end the same...
I don't know how they plan to end the same corruption that has always plagued Europe. People have been calling for the murder of others since ummmm...ALWAYS. Just pick a copy of EU Today and read some of the head lines. None of them having anything Islam and all of it having to do with your own social corruption.
Islam is protected by a power bigger than and beyond what you or any of us can imagine. One day Islam really will be gone, but NOT TODAY and NOT BY THE WEST.
@SadieMirsade, islamophobia is a fact in France as well as in Canada, but islamophobia did not lead to the ban, religiophobia did. One should remind you that France is a secular state, not only on paper but in practice. Religion is France s problem! Not Islam.
Sorry you don`t convince me. BS argument. When France conquered Algeria & Morocco...Hidjab was not an issue. This laicisme business didn`t matter. In fact, in Egypt, Napoleon was in bed with the mullahs. A century later, France is all concerned about a piece of cloth on someone`s had.
France is becoming a joke. Right down with Iran & Saudi Arabia. And even worse, because it always prided itself to be the deffender of liberty, a refuge of REASON.
I agree with MegF142857. Look at India, it's the largest secular democracy in the world, yet has never imposed such bans on people when it comes to religions. If you are a true secular state then people should have freedom to choose between burqa and non-burqa. If you want to cut down on Muslim population in general, then stop letting them in. Discriminating after the fact is pointless and will only cause unrest. Personally, I don't like burqa's myself, but I won't judge a person because of it.
If you are a strongly religious Muslim you just do not live in a liberal country like France. You cannot be that naive to think that your conservative values will not clash with those of a society that enjoys a high level of freedom. The French love to debate, they love to drink wine and they love the female form. If you move to a new country you have to accept that they do things differently there.
It is not Muslims that have a problem with living in France, it is France that has a problem with Muslims. Muslims can live there even with all the wine, love of women etc., but just because they live in France does not mean they have to do whatever the French dictate. They are not puppets. The French can live and let live. How is wearing a face veil a threat to French"ism". It doesn't make sense. The French are simply trying to impose their will on Muslims, and that's a recipe for disaster.
"if they are covering their face, they are practicing radical islam already."
What does that even mean? I wear a face veil, so that means I am a "radical?" How? Why? Says who? And what is wrong with being "radical?" Would it be ok if I were a "radical Secularist?"
Yes remember the green and yellow mohawk days of punk-rock ? That is exactly what the burqa is. Muslims are not wearing burqas to be modest. One doesn't wear a blanket out in public to be modest. LOL
You wear a blanket to be punk-rock.
"Why are people staring at me just because I have a purple mohawk ?"
"Why are people staring at me just because I have a body blanket ?"
If burqa is punk-rock then you should thank the Arabs for having brought punk rock to the world.
I wear the complete veil..."body blanket" and face veil...the whole thing. It has nothing to do with getting attention and everything to do with obedience to God and submission to His commands.
You say one does not wear a blanket in public to be modest...well, what does one wear in public to be modest?
I know why. Because you get lots of attention wearing a burqa. You like people looking at you. If you dressed in just plain clothing like everyone else, you would be just lost in the crowd. Just another person that no one notices.
Does Allah hate women that much, he wants them to be buried in a blanket from head to toe ? He must be ashamed he ever created women.
Yes, I wear burka (the niqab style). "Why?" Because I am a Muslim. The word Muslim means "one who submits". So I have submitted my will to the will of God. He says in the Qur'an that woman should cover her entire body, and so I do.
The reasons you perceived are actually not correct for my situation. I don't like attention. I like plain clothes and don't mind being just one in the crowd. I'd rather go unnoticed.
Allah created me and knows what is best for me. I submit.
First I want to apologize for being rude. It really isn't my place to judge you as wearing the burka to seek attention. I'm well aware there is deep-rooted religious beliefs for wearing the burka.
But the wearing of the burka, is also a topic of debate among Muslims. A lot of Muslims don't believe it is necessary to wear the burka.
The interpretation of "woman should cover her entire body" could mean many things ? One meaning, meaning not to walk around nude. That is a good thing ! But the idea that a woman should drape herself in a blanket from head to toe, is in no way is practical. I say "practical" in meaning what need would Allah have of a woman wearing a burka ?
I appreciate the apology, thank you, but there's no need. I was not offended. You are right, there is a difference of opinions amongst the Muslims on whether niqab is obligatory or not, but it is agreed upon that it is at least recommended. All acts of worship in Islam fall under 5 categories: Obligatory, unlawful, encouraged, discouraged, allowed. Niqab is one of two, obligatory or encouraged.
As for the meaning of "cover her entire body," there is ONE...CONT>>
interpretation ONLY. Cover the whole body. The Prophet said in the Ahadith, "all of the woman is awrah" -- this word awrah is translated as "to be concealed, something private."
As for "what need would Allah have of a woman wearing a burka?" None. Allah is free of needs. He created man and woman. He tells the woman to cover her body in a certain way, and tells the man to cover his body in a certain and to grow his beard and trim his mustache. He knows His creation. We hear and we obey>Muslim.
There are some Aboriginal American men don't have facial hair. Also some Asian men who can't grow beards. These people just can't grow beards. Would Allah curse these men for not having a bread ? In a Islamic society those people would be looked down upon. It would seem Islam is not an equal religion for all people.
StoneThatRolls, In Islam, the Muslims follow the guidance of Muhammad (peace be upon him). His way according to the sunnah (his practice) was to veil the women. There is no misinterpretation there. No Muslim who knows his/her religion can dispute the fact that the wives of the Prophet and their companions veiled and encouraged the Muslim women to do the same. There is no more room in Islam for "could mean a lot of things." The Prophet said in his last sermon, CONT>>>
that the religion of Islam is complete. He left behind two things for the believers, 1. The Qur'an and 2. His sunnah. There is no room left for anyone else to add or subtract.
As for the men who are unable to grow a beard, this is not a problem. Allah does not curse them in the least. The rule in Islam is that the obligation drops when there is no means. Allah says that the slave should obey to the best of your ability. A man who can't grow a beard is excused. It is Allah who has created man.
You seem nice. Unfortunately your' Islam is not reality. Muslims have been killing each other and others since the time of Muhammad. I'm not talking "there are always some bad people in the world". I'm talking, Muslims have been killing people "in the name of Islam".
Your idea of Islam conflicts with other peoples idea of Islam. And their idea of Islam conflicts with your idea. You, yourself might not care if other Muslims have different ideas about Islam. But there are Muslims who won't let things be. They are willing to kill others to prove their point. If they think all women should wear the burka, then they will attack women who don't. Every country that is controlled by Islam has these conflicts.
It is in only non-Muslim countries, that Muslim have freedom to dress as they want. They are not governed by Islamic dress-code-police.
This moves me back on topic to this video...
I agree that France should ban the burka. Why ? Because it is France. It is not an Islamic country. France has the right to make their own laws. -Just as some Islamic countries make woman wear the burka. France doesn't need women wearing the burka.
StoneThatRolls, Thanks, and I return the compliment. Why do you feel that "my Islam" is not reality?
True: Muslims have always been killing one another. Would you also say it is true that Christians have always been killing one another, and Jews have been killing one another, and pagans have been killing one another, and Romans killed one another, and Africans kill one another, and democrats killed republicans, and slaves killed masters etc. etc? You will admit: Yes. CONT>>>
If you want to blame Islam for the killing, then you are misunderstanding a major aspect of the reality of humanity. The reality is that people kill people and there are countless excuses for the killings. In WWII the US bombed entire cities in Japan b/c of boundary disputes, invaded countries in search of weapons. Tribes wipe one another out over land. I can go on and on, but I don't know if that would drive my point home. You can't excuse every other institution & point the finger at Islam. >>
I reject the notion that France can dictate what people get to wear. That is a complete violation of basic human right. They are singling out 500 women who wear a face veil to make a point that they reject Islam. This is cowardly. They allow women to walk around practically naked, or have mohawks or have sex change or wear short pants or wear long skirts or wear tattoos or strange piercings, but a girl can't cover her face? Something is definitely wrong there in principle and in practice.
I'm not saying Islam is any more or less violent than any other violent religion or ideology. Islam is not a religion of peace.
The thing that drives people to want to be "good" Muslims is the same thing that drives Muslims to want a kill people. Bin Laden, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Saddam Hussein, etc.. They all think they are the most holy of holy Muslims. Almost all Muslims think they are the most holy of holy, and they are willing to kill people to prove their point.
Examples you posted had nothing to do with religion. WWI, WWII, Japan war.
Ok ..maybe the Japan war had something to do with religion..
Japanese army murdered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians, Chinese. All in the name of some kind of sun god ?? But for the most part it had to do with nationalism.
The USA bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki because those cities were the industrial cities driving the Japanese War-machine. Again nothing to do with religion.
WWII. Hitler murdered almost as many Christians as Jews. If anything he was against religion. Though strangely enough he did have a Muslim-nazi division. It would seem he shared some of the same ideologies as in Islam.
Wars do happen true. However it is only Islam that make war as part of its religion.
You say, "I'm not saying Islam is any more or less violent than any other violent religion or ideology."
Neither am I. The point I'm making is that it doesn't matter what religion or ideology you follow. War is part of human nature. It is inevitable. You find war within the smallest social units (family) to the largest units (religions).
You say, "Islam is not a religion of peace."
No, it's not, not in the sense that you mean it. It is peace for the person who submits. >>>
The peace that one gets from Islam is from the complete submission of his will. By doing this, he calms his internal conflicts, desires, etc and finds peace within. But Islam believes in fighting against injustice, against all evil as defined by God. Yes, war is part of this religion, every religion, every social system, part of human nature. Ex. If someone tries to remove my niqab, I believe I should slap him/her. Does this mean I make war b/c of Islam? If someone tries to tear pages from >>>
a Qur'an, I will try to stop them, first by asking nicely, then using my fist if I can. Does that mean I make war b/c of Islam? If someone tries to curse our Prophet in my presence, I'll speak out against that or fight against that. Does that mean I make war? etc. etc. I stand for what I believe in, and I would expect everyone who claims to believe in something would be willing to stand and fight for it. Does that mean "we make" war as part of that belief system? I believe, no. It is in ME or U.
Why in the 21st century are we still ignoring the elephant in the room that is religion? Why should the freedom to worship myths and be self-deluded ever be protected? Political correctness impedes the progress of society.
@cherylwens Because the alternative is banning religion, which gives way to banning anything you disagree with. If you have the right to ban religion what's stopping you from banning other things as well?
Banning religion isn't a matter of taste. It's not about what I disagree with. It's about what's true and what's masquerading as truth. You're not telling me that we should legitimize fraud, are you? Isn't religion fraud by definition i.e there shall be no doubt of there being a god even if there's no conclusive evidence for such a claim?
Is there conclusive evidence for the opposite claim: There is no God. Bring your proof for that claim, and you can never do it. Nevertheless, I won't wait for you to die looking for the absence of a God when all I have to do is open my eyes to see that there is one. Just like I don't need evidence for daylight, then I don't need "evidence" for the existence of God. All I have to do is open my eyes and I know it's daylight, and the sun exists, though I've never seen it, touched it, or smell it.
Is there conclusive evidence that the creators of the universe aren't aliens? If you can prove to me unequivocally that aliens did not create the world, then i'll convert to whatever religion you want me to.
Why use a fallacy to try arguing with me. If you believe "aliens" created this universe, then I would not ask you for evidence for your empirical belief. And the responsibility would not fall on me to bring you evidence to the contrary. I'm not trying to convert you to Islam...lol. If you believe in Islam, then it's good for YOU. If you disbelieve in Islam, then it's also for YOU. None of that changes anything about my life. Good luck with the "Aliens."
You don't have to convert me. According to my heavenly aliens, all muslims must be killed. What should I do? Kill muslims or examine the legitimacy of my religion? If we refuse to rely on empiricism to resolve conflicts between cultures, violence will be the logical consequence.
Ah. an internal conflict...if you find yourself questioning your belief system, then by all means consult your heart. If you're not at ease with the dictates of the heavenly aliens, then you're not a true believer. You should leave that system and seek the system that puts your internal conflicts to rest.
violence is an inevitable mechanism when conflicts can't be resolved inside any human system, including religion.
Until then, I'll praise the aliens who created our beautiful universe. According to my alien religion, god is the son of aliens. But he defied the aliens. Feeling dismayed, the aliens banished god to hell and he began to corrupt humans with christianity in order to avenge. Do not let the evil god and jesus christ trick you to disobey our almighty aliens!
that's why they calls french as french bastard! democracy my ass! i would really like to see if they can really enforce this act.. it will be funny though.. to muslimah in france do not be afraid, they can never lay hands on you.. so be patience and congratulations... this event will be the the fall of christianity in france...
Better than walking through the streets dressed like a mummy so no one can see your face. Also, I think this move cuts down on potential Islamic bomb makers.
GO FRANCE ! :-)
CrazyNative4 2 months ago
@mjlodina Be precise the next time "universities"
Nermeen232 6 months ago
@mjlodina The burka is not banned in Syria LIAR !!!!
Nermeen232 6 months ago
To be honest I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If you wana cover your face what's so wrong? a bit like guys who wear balaclavas or who try to hide their faces behind hoodies. Personally, I don't agree with it, true thing, but I'd definately never impose anyone not to wear one or like fine them ridiculous amounts of money because of it. I'm sure the police have more important things to do.
MissProud2be 9 months ago
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@WTF31000 you're right the hygiene of those french muslim women wearing a burka need to be adressed
nicoparisstrass 10 months ago 3
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@WTF31000 you're right the hygiene of those french muslim women wearing a burka need to be adressed
schylik 10 months ago
The French need to focus on their Hygiene more then on banning a face veil. The so called Liberating women argument, is so F^&7en OLD and stupid. So, can someone tell me the difference between the Taliban LAW FORCING women to wear burqua and this law to remove it? I think They need a law to force them to take more showers and use deodorant, will have effect en society.
WTF31000 10 months ago
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@WTF31000 you're right the hygiene of those french muslim women wearing a burka need to be adressed
nicoparisstrass 10 months ago
And if you wanna wear such things just go back to the middle east
and wear your masks their,
imrantoday 10 months ago
the neekab is crazy, hijab is good but neekab no,
i personally reakon it is segregating, if you dont wanna show your face
just stay home, im not comfortable with people wearing masks
imrantoday 10 months ago
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which is contradictory to what the taliban is doing in afghanistan, therefore, disgracing islam.
thedeathslayer6 10 months ago
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which is contradictory to what the taliban is doing in afghanistan, therefore, disgracing islam.similarly, a woman has the right to work if her husband or guardian is unable to or doesnt provide enough for her. All the reasons for which the stupid, ignorant terrorists have killed thousands of innocents were POLITICAL, NOT RELIGIOUS!.
thedeathslayer6 10 months ago
as a muslim and a woman, just stating a fact, the face veil was NEVER mandatory in islam, nor was the BURQA, islam asks women to wear modest clothing and to cover their hair. The face veil and the burqa are the CULTURE of the middle east, theyre not part of the religion. Similarly, the oppression of women in those countries are also a part of their TRADITION, islam is AGAINST, oppression of women. Infact, just to give an example, education is a muslim man or woman's right...
thedeathslayer6 10 months ago
I think it´s a good decision to ban the burqa in France. The burqa isn´t only a religious sign its additional to that a sign of oppression from woman all over the world. We respect the every religion but we have to set borders which are compatible with our constitution. I hope that our politicans would be so consequent, too. Switzerland and France give a good example. This debat started in a lot of countries we will see the results. Greets from Germany
Dschland92 10 months ago
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I think it´s a good decision to ban the burqa in France. The burqa isn´t only a religious sign its additional to that a sign of oppression from woman all over the world. We respect every religion but we have to set borders which are compatible with our constitution. I wish our politicans would be as consequent as yours in this question, this debat has started in a lot of countries ^^ Greets from Germany
Dschland92 10 months ago
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I think it´s a good decision to ban the burqa in France. The burqa isn´t only a religious sign its additional to that a sign of oppression from woman all over the world. We respect the every religion but we have to set borders which are compatible with our constitution. I wish our politicans would be as consequent as yours in this question ^^
I know this is a debat which is started in a lot of coutries Greets from Germany
Dschland92 10 months ago
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I think it´s a good decision to ban the burqa in France. The burqa isn´t only a religious sign its additional to that a sign of oppression from woman all over the world. We respect the every religion but we have to set borders which are compatible with our constitution. I wish our politicans would be as consequent as yours in this question ^^ Greets from Germany
Dschland92 10 months ago
go back to your home ...... get lost..get lost from frenc
shahinbandareshah 10 months ago
@shahinbandareshah
I can second that but from the UK.
WE DONT WANT YOU HERE!!!
Coops025 10 months ago
The fact is that secular ethics does encompass tolerance for religious practices, and it would be wise not to suggest that a burka is portraying anything negative at all?
sanity93 10 months ago
yeah but when western women go to the middle east, they have to wear the burqa, not fair
ddddenysss333 1 year ago
These fucking muslims who want sharia law to be instituted in the West should get a fucking life or, better yet, shoot themselves.
mcaf51 1 year ago 5
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interestingly enough Orthodox Jews also have a strict segregation between men and women during their prayer service. So the mind is focussed purely on God, and there is no distraction. Furthermore, Jewish women cover their hair upon marriage (like Muslim women and like christian nuns [in the Bible it says for women to cover their hair 1 Corinthians, chapter 11) so this isn't anything new or unique to Islam ... if you ban the headscarf you should not be hypocrites and also ban nuns and others ...
Mohsin77 1 year ago
@Mohsin77
Why cant you Muslims live like normal people instead of like the filthy, putrid, vile pigs that you are?
Hammersley1967 10 months ago 2
Don't like the laws? Then please leave the country, PERIOD !!!
azyaninvasion 1 year ago 2
Keep your blackmail going. You are not the only people that can kick ass buddy!
TheRotheray 1 year ago
Muslims being alienated? What a shocker there. We go out of our way to appease these third world fucks and what do we get in return? A country going to hell, and all in the name of being nice. Fucking libtards should be deported along with all the Muslims.
UserUK201 1 year ago 2
Don't these burka wearing women realize that we all see them and have pity? The world feels sorry for you and your kids and we know the man you are with is inadequate sexually. Thats what we're thinking. We'd rarely admit it...but thats what sane people think.
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mijnshit 1 year ago
@mijnshit see! we understand each other! BREAKTHROUGH!!! Now if only we could stay in our own land we could be happy. Muslims could stay where there is already Sharia law, and Westerners could stop trying to civilize those countries with sharia law. Quit leaving your 3rd world shit holes to come stink up our progress. We have a good thing going- make your own.
plaidnum 1 year ago
@mijnshit Well fucking stay away from the west. Cunt
oconnorthelegend 1 year ago
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@plaidnum Either that or Muslim men are gay.
d3rkaderk4 11 months ago
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If you want to live in the british way, go to Britain
If you want to live in the french way, go to France
If you want to live in the afghan way, go to Afghanistan
siorac54 1 year ago
Mr Johnnyrace: who dare are you to tell what should we dress ? and Who the hell are you who said it is opression. Did you try to yourselves ?
iDialogueFoundation 1 year ago
Muslim women who have a problem with following our laws on the burka can simply go back to the middle east. PROBLEM SOLVED. Western women cover up whenever they visit saudi arabia in respect of it's laws- Muslim women can show the same courtesy in western countries or leave. PERIOD.
lauraleesmithagain 1 year ago 2
MUSLIM WOMEN DONT GIVE UP!!! IF MANDELA GAVE UP, WE WOULDNT BE FREE TODAY. DO NOT ALLOW THE HATE OF THE FEW GET TO YOU.
mimi4eva2006 1 year ago
Ban it! What does it stand for? I hope they ban it in North America too
OopeeShaba 1 year ago
Islam treats women like dogs. What a horrible religion. Look at the Muslim nations...who would really enjoy living there except a brainwashed robot.
ConservativeRuleinUS 1 year ago
Some women justify wearing the burqa as being safe and that it stops men from looking at them and prevents harassment. IMO it actually makes ppl stare at them even more. I was in Saudi for some time and when that country can force every women regardless of culture or religion to wear that thing so why cant other countries ban them..good. Hope this trend spreads to more countries.
hulucify 1 year ago
if they don't like the rules. then they should leave. if it causes muslims to rise up and become radical like the islamic extremists say to do then they should rise up in their own country or at least where they feel most comfortable. all I can really say on a personal note having these people dressed in this way makes me and many other fellow europeans feel very uncomfortable, that being said they should respect us by putting us at ease by removing this garment.
sickgeeza 1 year ago 2
@mjlodina : If you are living in mideast, this does not prove the ban . if they ban burqa they also banned wearing Cross .
iDialogueFoundation 1 year ago
if you r gonna fukin ban it then ban it for the nuns then + the black guy was right why the fuk you don't ban high heels then
Zainy2009 1 year ago
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Gay Marriage FREEDOM!! Lesbian Marriage FREEDOM !! Porn Star FREEDOM !! Nudity FREEDOM !! Sex berfore Marriage FREEDOM !!
But when a chaste Muslim woman wears Hijab by her choice it's a crime ??!!!!!!
Democracy. not in the west.
mrsparky786 1 year ago
Mistake french made; they made a big deal of it. As of now, less than 2000 women wear it, but with this ban, we will have thousands, you know, they will rebell by wearing this weird burqa. I am muslim and can't comprehend it, it existed historically in middle east before monotheist religion, nothing new to that area and not an islamic prescription. As a matter of fact, rich women used to wear to distinguish themselves from "lower class" what a waste of life!
MrLesVerts 1 year ago
why did it exist to begin with, it's such a weird thing! why hiding oneself from this world, how can you live outside and by the way, it must be hot and you need sunshine, your bones will britle.... not healthy and not natural! a weird archaic cultural thing that belonged in middle east and all, jews, christians, muslims and others, wore it then,.... I think it is a disorder, I am muslim and I approve this message.
MrLesVerts 1 year ago
Good for France. The burqa should be banned EVERYWHERE.
DARKEYED9 1 year ago 2
Ban that bitch
johncrab67 1 year ago
Darth Vader costumes!
standard6747 1 year ago
WANNABE NINJAS !!
PandaMagicFTW 1 year ago
rightly so France has every right to ban the Burka its France not Dubai
Stevenstar2010 1 year ago
Did France finalize heir burqa ban yet? I hope so
3333sweetie 1 year ago
In Rome do as romans do. French goverment should ban also hijaabs, not only burqa
Mihalina9 1 year ago
0:49 Is that a begger women (in white sitting)
knewace 1 year ago
@knewace sorry it was 0:46.
knewace 1 year ago
of course we know that french are mother fuckers.. u rotten eggs y u want people of other cultures to turn into bitches and bastards like u.. sluts. im not a muslim but still i support them. tell ur pope to suck u... if u really dont have any interest in culture or believes. n one more thing, the way these migrants are depending on u... the same way u r depending on them for get ur work done. its just a give n take relation. they have got no need to follow ur customs
deepthim82 1 year ago
@deepthim82 na dude its not a case of not having a cultural interest its just most of the world couldnt give a fuck for muslim culture. i dont know about france but here in Oz we sure as hell dont look to muslims to get our work done, who'd employ someone who wont fit in? pull your head out of your date.
mrfirefli 1 year ago
@mrfirefli I believe Muslims are thousand times better than Christians. We have both muslims and Christians in our country. But no muslim will interfere in our religious things like a christian bastard do. Those rotten eggs have got no other business other then converting hindus into that stinking Christianity. If some religion is to be banned, I believe its Christianity first
deepthim82 1 year ago
@deepthim82 hey i dont give a fuck about christians either and if the burqa was part of their culture i'd be saying they should cop the same ban but it is not part of their culture is it? im not going to compare religion's with you but my opinion is if you want to wear a burqa then stay in the middle east where it's a way of life, it does not belong here just like a bikini doesent belong in afghanistan.
mrfirefli 1 year ago
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Human right is violated just like it violated in Afganistan by Taliban where they force to wear burka but next in France they force to wear bikini. May be they impose all girl in France must sex in public and wear bikini in Christian Church. Govt. should not violate UN resolution which is right to wear by own choice. Nazi France
MonsterIsrael 1 year ago
ban the burka and barred all muslims entering all EEA countries...
slazzer145 1 year ago
deport all filthy muslim scroungers, fuck off
ThePorkistani 1 year ago
Thank god im in Canada, however were getting there too, Quebec banned the burqa already.
malika810 1 year ago
@malika810 u should be deported.
ThePorkistani 1 year ago
@ThePorkistani you should be banned on youtube .. you dont think befor you write anything so i guess your muslem you just judge without thinking about that .. and when it is rly true that there already is a burqua ban in canada i´ll move there ;)
Reson11 1 year ago
why keep the traditions of a country you fled from in the first place? if you like you traditions stay in your country! otherwise, when in rome do as the romans..
bcw324 2 years ago
@bcw324 you both forget that there are french citizens born and raised by blood and origin. They have nowhere else to go but France.
And france calls to reinstitute its values but isnt freedom of choice a major value?
loaded99percent 2 years ago
growing up in italy I made an italian friend that converted to islam. he did not feel comfortable in italy anymore and moved to syria. where he met his beautiful wife and had children. it was the best place for him.
bcw324 2 years ago
Ston ThatRolls I agree... If they like their religion so much stay the fuck where they were... its not about religion its about Identity! If they hide there face it is imposible to police to tell who they are. Wish Canada would grow a set and do the same!
mostdishonorable 2 years ago
What about the ones born in France, raised in France to French mothers and French fathers? Where would you send them? What would you do with the French Muslims?
What is this about "identity" and "policing" people? There is no such thing. No law says you have to know what someone looks like. No law that says people in the general population need to be "policed". You are out of your mind. Under what rock have you been living that you think people can be treated this way?
Itsunohu 2 years ago
yeah no laws? how about the fact you must carry Identification...do you know that word?
bcw324 2 years ago
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I find it hypocritical that most of the same people who are yelling for the "right" of a woman to wear a burqa or niqab would not support the "right" of a woman to NOT WEAR a burqa or niqab in a Muslim country....or a Muslim neighborhood in a Western country!
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Since those who wish to IMPOSE the burqa/niqab would not grant others the right NOT TO WEAR the burqa/niqab; I say:
BAN THE BURQA and NIQAB
"Liberté, égalité, fraternité " must reflect the will of the French majority!
BoudiccaBlanc 2 years ago
The burqa MUST be banned. It is a threat to the security of our nations and should be outlawed.
IslamSucksAss 2 years ago
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"The burqa MUST be banned. It is a threat to the security of our nations and should be outlawed. "
COMPLETE NONSENSE
Itsunohu 2 years ago
To everyone using the words islamophobia or religionphobia... Phobia by defintion means an irrational fear. Is it irrational of me to fear suicide bombers? How about the murder and mistreatment of women or genocide throughout history that was motivated by religion. My fear is not irrational. I think France is doing a good thing. Its time for islam to enter the 21st century and leave violence and war behind.
jsinger101 2 years ago
This seems backwards what you're saying. One cannot call for an end to violence and war by denying others their human rights. In fact, by banning burqa, France is taking a step towards creating violence and war. The French cannot deny Muslim women our rights to dress how we choose. This is utter nonsense. This is obviously the beginning of a long fight. May Islam stand the victor. ameen.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
first they want to ban the burqa, next it will be banning wife beating, eventually they will want to ban the call to murder of cartoonists & dutch politicians & jews
Islam is under attack
howie1962 2 years ago
Banning the burka in France will change nothing. Those 500 women like me who want to wear the face veil will just leave France & go elsewhere. Which is ultimately what France wants anyway: No diversity. France wants everyone to be the same, to be secular.
As for wife beating, the statistics say that 2 million French women are victims of physical abuse every year with majority being by a spouse. 100's in the suburbs die by the hands of their own spouses or other family member.
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Itsunohu 2 years ago
Best place to wear a burqa is in Saudi Arabia
Frenchman that beat their wives do so because they r assholes while muslims do it for submission & other religious reasons which I approve of.
A good beating makes a good muslim woman
howie1962 2 years ago
The entire earth belongs to us...the human race...we can live where we choose and wear what we choose wherever we choose to do it.
Frenchmen and Muslim men that beat their wives are hopeless cowards and bullies who never learned the phrase, "pick on someone your on size."
And you know the rest of your statement is hogwash, so I don't have to respond to it.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
So, perhaps France should begin with those 2 million women. Most of this violence is blamed on alcoholism. Another social problem France might consider working on while they're on the issue of BAN. "Alcohol may be involved in nearly half of the deaths from road accidents, half of all homicides, and one-quarter of suicides," according to the French equivalent of the U.S. Institutes of Health.
As for banning the call to murder cartoonists etc: I don't know how they plan end the same...
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Itsunohu 2 years ago
I don't know how they plan to end the same corruption that has always plagued Europe. People have been calling for the murder of others since ummmm...ALWAYS. Just pick a copy of EU Today and read some of the head lines. None of them having anything Islam and all of it having to do with your own social corruption.
Islam is protected by a power bigger than and beyond what you or any of us can imagine. One day Islam really will be gone, but NOT TODAY and NOT BY THE WEST.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
And history repeats itself yet again...
Hershiie 2 years ago
Europeans are outright STUPID. They have nothing better to do....than to legislate HOW people dress.
What if I were not a Moslem....and I want to dress like that....just for kicks....
France is going the way of Iran...and Saudi Arabia. Now they`re gonna have ``Burqa Cops`` on the Champs Elysee...
Ha..ha...ha...
This is hilarious....France is really losing itself....with this islamophobia shit.
SadieMirsade 2 years ago
@SadieMirsade, islamophobia is a fact in France as well as in Canada, but islamophobia did not lead to the ban, religiophobia did. One should remind you that France is a secular state, not only on paper but in practice. Religion is France s problem! Not Islam.
erwanderiot 2 years ago
What`s next....
Is France gonna ban YARMULKES and PEYES too....
SadieMirsade 2 years ago
Sorry you don`t convince me. BS argument. When France conquered Algeria & Morocco...Hidjab was not an issue. This laicisme business didn`t matter. In fact, in Egypt, Napoleon was in bed with the mullahs. A century later, France is all concerned about a piece of cloth on someone`s had.
France is becoming a joke. Right down with Iran & Saudi Arabia. And even worse, because it always prided itself to be the deffender of liberty, a refuge of REASON.
SadieMirsade 2 years ago
cover all but the hands and face...
kerambit2010 2 years ago
Cover whatever you like. Just as they uncover what they like.
Niqab is recommended. It is ok.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
@cherylwens So what are you proposing?
Do you really want to legislate thought crime?
Madfoot713 2 years ago
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well done France!
killuwitgunz 2 years ago
I agree with MegF142857. Look at India, it's the largest secular democracy in the world, yet has never imposed such bans on people when it comes to religions. If you are a true secular state then people should have freedom to choose between burqa and non-burqa. If you want to cut down on Muslim population in general, then stop letting them in. Discriminating after the fact is pointless and will only cause unrest. Personally, I don't like burqa's myself, but I won't judge a person because of it.
Behunchud 2 years ago
If you are a strongly religious Muslim you just do not live in a liberal country like France. You cannot be that naive to think that your conservative values will not clash with those of a society that enjoys a high level of freedom. The French love to debate, they love to drink wine and they love the female form. If you move to a new country you have to accept that they do things differently there.
ImmortalDestructor 2 years ago 2
@ImmortalDestructor "The French love to debate"
If THAT were true, why are they intimidated by a simple blanket...?
Madfoot713 2 years ago
your not french so shut up bitch you dont know shit from france so fuck you
MrScarcrow 2 years ago
@MrScarcrow lmao fuckity fuck fuck fuck!
damianson 2 years ago
It is not Muslims that have a problem with living in France, it is France that has a problem with Muslims. Muslims can live there even with all the wine, love of women etc., but just because they live in France does not mean they have to do whatever the French dictate. They are not puppets. The French can live and let live. How is wearing a face veil a threat to French"ism". It doesn't make sense. The French are simply trying to impose their will on Muslims, and that's a recipe for disaster.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
if they are covering their face, they are practicing radical islam already.
battim 2 years ago
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"if they are covering their face, they are practicing radical islam already."
What does that even mean? I wear a face veil, so that means I am a "radical?" How? Why? Says who? And what is wrong with being "radical?" Would it be ok if I were a "radical Secularist?"
Itsunohu 2 years ago
The burqa is as punk-rock as punk-rock gets.
Punk-rock ?
Yes remember the green and yellow mohawk days of punk-rock ? That is exactly what the burqa is. Muslims are not wearing burqas to be modest. One doesn't wear a blanket out in public to be modest. LOL
You wear a blanket to be punk-rock.
"Why are people staring at me just because I have a purple mohawk ?"
"Why are people staring at me just because I have a body blanket ?"
LOL
StoneThatRolls 2 years ago
If burqa is punk-rock then you should thank the Arabs for having brought punk rock to the world.
I wear the complete veil..."body blanket" and face veil...the whole thing. It has nothing to do with getting attention and everything to do with obedience to God and submission to His commands.
You say one does not wear a blanket in public to be modest...well, what does one wear in public to be modest?
Itsunohu 2 years ago
Hello Itsunohu
You wear the full burqa ? Why ?
I know why. Because you get lots of attention wearing a burqa. You like people looking at you. If you dressed in just plain clothing like everyone else, you would be just lost in the crowd. Just another person that no one notices.
Does Allah hate women that much, he wants them to be buried in a blanket from head to toe ? He must be ashamed he ever created women.
StoneThatRolls 2 years ago
Hello StoneThat Rolls,
Yes, I wear burka (the niqab style). "Why?" Because I am a Muslim. The word Muslim means "one who submits". So I have submitted my will to the will of God. He says in the Qur'an that woman should cover her entire body, and so I do.
The reasons you perceived are actually not correct for my situation. I don't like attention. I like plain clothes and don't mind being just one in the crowd. I'd rather go unnoticed.
Allah created me and knows what is best for me. I submit.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
Hello Itsunohu,
First I want to apologize for being rude. It really isn't my place to judge you as wearing the burka to seek attention. I'm well aware there is deep-rooted religious beliefs for wearing the burka.
But the wearing of the burka, is also a topic of debate among Muslims. A lot of Muslims don't believe it is necessary to wear the burka.
StoneThatRolls 2 years ago
The interpretation of "woman should cover her entire body" could mean many things ? One meaning, meaning not to walk around nude. That is a good thing ! But the idea that a woman should drape herself in a blanket from head to toe, is in no way is practical. I say "practical" in meaning what need would Allah have of a woman wearing a burka ?
StoneThatRolls 2 years ago
Hello back StoneThatRolls :)
I appreciate the apology, thank you, but there's no need. I was not offended. You are right, there is a difference of opinions amongst the Muslims on whether niqab is obligatory or not, but it is agreed upon that it is at least recommended. All acts of worship in Islam fall under 5 categories: Obligatory, unlawful, encouraged, discouraged, allowed. Niqab is one of two, obligatory or encouraged.
As for the meaning of "cover her entire body," there is ONE...CONT>>
Itsunohu 2 years ago
interpretation ONLY. Cover the whole body. The Prophet said in the Ahadith, "all of the woman is awrah" -- this word awrah is translated as "to be concealed, something private."
As for "what need would Allah have of a woman wearing a burka?" None. Allah is free of needs. He created man and woman. He tells the woman to cover her body in a certain way, and tells the man to cover his body in a certain and to grow his beard and trim his mustache. He knows His creation. We hear and we obey>Muslim.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
Hello Itsunohu,
I'm glad there is many interpretations of dress-codes among Muslims. Not all Muslims will agree with you.
"The Prophet said in the Ahadith, "all of the woman is awrah" -- this word awrah is translated as "to be concealed, something private."
Perhaps the translation of the word "awrah" is correct. But is the meaning ?
"to be concealed, something private" could mean a lot of things ? Nothing to do with dress-code.
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StoneThatRolls 2 years ago
As for the dress-code of men...
There are some Aboriginal American men don't have facial hair. Also some Asian men who can't grow beards. These people just can't grow beards. Would Allah curse these men for not having a bread ? In a Islamic society those people would be looked down upon. It would seem Islam is not an equal religion for all people.
StoneThatRolls 2 years ago
Typo:
Would Allah curse these men for not having a beard ?
StoneThatRolls 2 years ago
StoneThatRolls, In Islam, the Muslims follow the guidance of Muhammad (peace be upon him). His way according to the sunnah (his practice) was to veil the women. There is no misinterpretation there. No Muslim who knows his/her religion can dispute the fact that the wives of the Prophet and their companions veiled and encouraged the Muslim women to do the same. There is no more room in Islam for "could mean a lot of things." The Prophet said in his last sermon, CONT>>>
Itsunohu 2 years ago
that the religion of Islam is complete. He left behind two things for the believers, 1. The Qur'an and 2. His sunnah. There is no room left for anyone else to add or subtract.
As for the men who are unable to grow a beard, this is not a problem. Allah does not curse them in the least. The rule in Islam is that the obligation drops when there is no means. Allah says that the slave should obey to the best of your ability. A man who can't grow a beard is excused. It is Allah who has created man.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
Hello Itsunohu,
You seem nice. Unfortunately your' Islam is not reality. Muslims have been killing each other and others since the time of Muhammad. I'm not talking "there are always some bad people in the world". I'm talking, Muslims have been killing people "in the name of Islam".
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StoneThatRolls 2 years ago
Your idea of Islam conflicts with other peoples idea of Islam. And their idea of Islam conflicts with your idea. You, yourself might not care if other Muslims have different ideas about Islam. But there are Muslims who won't let things be. They are willing to kill others to prove their point. If they think all women should wear the burka, then they will attack women who don't. Every country that is controlled by Islam has these conflicts.
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StoneThatRolls 2 years ago
It is in only non-Muslim countries, that Muslim have freedom to dress as they want. They are not governed by Islamic dress-code-police.
This moves me back on topic to this video...
I agree that France should ban the burka. Why ? Because it is France. It is not an Islamic country. France has the right to make their own laws. -Just as some Islamic countries make woman wear the burka. France doesn't need women wearing the burka.
StoneThatRolls 2 years ago
StoneThatRolls, Thanks, and I return the compliment. Why do you feel that "my Islam" is not reality?
True: Muslims have always been killing one another. Would you also say it is true that Christians have always been killing one another, and Jews have been killing one another, and pagans have been killing one another, and Romans killed one another, and Africans kill one another, and democrats killed republicans, and slaves killed masters etc. etc? You will admit: Yes. CONT>>>
Itsunohu 2 years ago
If you want to blame Islam for the killing, then you are misunderstanding a major aspect of the reality of humanity. The reality is that people kill people and there are countless excuses for the killings. In WWII the US bombed entire cities in Japan b/c of boundary disputes, invaded countries in search of weapons. Tribes wipe one another out over land. I can go on and on, but I don't know if that would drive my point home. You can't excuse every other institution & point the finger at Islam. >>
Itsunohu 2 years ago
I reject the notion that France can dictate what people get to wear. That is a complete violation of basic human right. They are singling out 500 women who wear a face veil to make a point that they reject Islam. This is cowardly. They allow women to walk around practically naked, or have mohawks or have sex change or wear short pants or wear long skirts or wear tattoos or strange piercings, but a girl can't cover her face? Something is definitely wrong there in principle and in practice.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
Hello Itsunohu
I'm not saying Islam is any more or less violent than any other violent religion or ideology. Islam is not a religion of peace.
The thing that drives people to want to be "good" Muslims is the same thing that drives Muslims to want a kill people. Bin Laden, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Saddam Hussein, etc.. They all think they are the most holy of holy Muslims. Almost all Muslims think they are the most holy of holy, and they are willing to kill people to prove their point.
StoneThatRolls 2 years ago
Examples you posted had nothing to do with religion. WWI, WWII, Japan war.
Ok ..maybe the Japan war had something to do with religion..
Japanese army murdered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians, Chinese. All in the name of some kind of sun god ?? But for the most part it had to do with nationalism.
The USA bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki because those cities were the industrial cities driving the Japanese War-machine. Again nothing to do with religion.
StoneThatRolls 2 years ago
WWII. Hitler murdered almost as many Christians as Jews. If anything he was against religion. Though strangely enough he did have a Muslim-nazi division. It would seem he shared some of the same ideologies as in Islam.
Wars do happen true. However it is only Islam that make war as part of its religion.
StoneThatRolls 2 years ago
StoneThatRolls,
You say, "I'm not saying Islam is any more or less violent than any other violent religion or ideology."
Neither am I. The point I'm making is that it doesn't matter what religion or ideology you follow. War is part of human nature. It is inevitable. You find war within the smallest social units (family) to the largest units (religions).
You say, "Islam is not a religion of peace."
No, it's not, not in the sense that you mean it. It is peace for the person who submits. >>>
Itsunohu 2 years ago
The peace that one gets from Islam is from the complete submission of his will. By doing this, he calms his internal conflicts, desires, etc and finds peace within. But Islam believes in fighting against injustice, against all evil as defined by God. Yes, war is part of this religion, every religion, every social system, part of human nature. Ex. If someone tries to remove my niqab, I believe I should slap him/her. Does this mean I make war b/c of Islam? If someone tries to tear pages from >>>
Itsunohu 2 years ago
a Qur'an, I will try to stop them, first by asking nicely, then using my fist if I can. Does that mean I make war b/c of Islam? If someone tries to curse our Prophet in my presence, I'll speak out against that or fight against that. Does that mean I make war? etc. etc. I stand for what I believe in, and I would expect everyone who claims to believe in something would be willing to stand and fight for it. Does that mean "we make" war as part of that belief system? I believe, no. It is in ME or U.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
Why in the 21st century are we still ignoring the elephant in the room that is religion? Why should the freedom to worship myths and be self-deluded ever be protected? Political correctness impedes the progress of society.
cherylwens 2 years ago 2
@cherylwens Because the alternative is banning religion, which gives way to banning anything you disagree with. If you have the right to ban religion what's stopping you from banning other things as well?
Madfoot713 2 years ago
Banning religion isn't a matter of taste. It's not about what I disagree with. It's about what's true and what's masquerading as truth. You're not telling me that we should legitimize fraud, are you? Isn't religion fraud by definition i.e there shall be no doubt of there being a god even if there's no conclusive evidence for such a claim?
cherylwens 2 years ago
Is there conclusive evidence for the opposite claim: There is no God. Bring your proof for that claim, and you can never do it. Nevertheless, I won't wait for you to die looking for the absence of a God when all I have to do is open my eyes to see that there is one. Just like I don't need evidence for daylight, then I don't need "evidence" for the existence of God. All I have to do is open my eyes and I know it's daylight, and the sun exists, though I've never seen it, touched it, or smell it.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
Is there conclusive evidence that the creators of the universe aren't aliens? If you can prove to me unequivocally that aliens did not create the world, then i'll convert to whatever religion you want me to.
cherylwens 2 years ago
Why use a fallacy to try arguing with me. If you believe "aliens" created this universe, then I would not ask you for evidence for your empirical belief. And the responsibility would not fall on me to bring you evidence to the contrary. I'm not trying to convert you to Islam...lol. If you believe in Islam, then it's good for YOU. If you disbelieve in Islam, then it's also for YOU. None of that changes anything about my life. Good luck with the "Aliens."
Itsunohu 2 years ago
You don't have to convert me. According to my heavenly aliens, all muslims must be killed. What should I do? Kill muslims or examine the legitimacy of my religion? If we refuse to rely on empiricism to resolve conflicts between cultures, violence will be the logical consequence.
cherylwens 2 years ago
Ah. an internal conflict...if you find yourself questioning your belief system, then by all means consult your heart. If you're not at ease with the dictates of the heavenly aliens, then you're not a true believer. You should leave that system and seek the system that puts your internal conflicts to rest.
violence is an inevitable mechanism when conflicts can't be resolved inside any human system, including religion.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
Until then, I'll praise the aliens who created our beautiful universe. According to my alien religion, god is the son of aliens. But he defied the aliens. Feeling dismayed, the aliens banished god to hell and he began to corrupt humans with christianity in order to avenge. Do not let the evil god and jesus christ trick you to disobey our almighty aliens!
cherylwens 2 years ago
Are you possibly blind? or do you just live under a rock. I see the sun every single day.
eagledude4 2 years ago
No, you don't. You have never seen the sun. You see SUNLIGHT, therefore, you know that there is a SUN. Neither one of us has ever seen THE SUN.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
You are a fool.
Itsunohu 2 years ago
A secular state would not be imposing restrictions on religions.
French non-Muslims should start wearing masks and veils to support freedom of religion.
MegF142857 2 years ago
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@MegF142857 "French non-Muslims should start wearing masks and veils to support freedom of religion. "
YES!
If I were a French woman I would start wearing a burqa solely to protest this law.
Madfoot713 2 years ago
How does women's dress protect secular values ?
Bashir38 2 years ago
well done France!
stewie919 2 years ago
that's why they calls french as french bastard! democracy my ass! i would really like to see if they can really enforce this act.. it will be funny though.. to muslimah in france do not be afraid, they can never lay hands on you.. so be patience and congratulations... this event will be the the fall of christianity in france...
epoxsam 2 years ago
imbecilic retard you are expoxam
DrYenisun 2 years ago
@epoxsam LOL
ezox00 2 years ago
It's about time the French frogs grew some balls. Now if they can start deportation that would be great.
murk2002 2 years ago
Burqa headppiece no problem, ladies must only wear french see through underwwear on lower half uncovered...
DrYenisun 2 years ago
Better than walking through the streets dressed like a mummy so no one can see your face. Also, I think this move cuts down on potential Islamic bomb makers.
murk2002 2 years ago
best way to prevent tourists who wear the burqa is not to let them into france.
Muslim woman should not be allowed outside in France without a leash.
howie1962 2 years ago