Willow Creek Discovers Programs Don't Work Pt 2

[sphtu8]

Thank you so much for posting this!

[ruthelator]

I love the comment at 8:44-9:00.

Evanjellyfish.

ROFL!

[McKennahLane]

I don't know who blanketly reacted to my comments with thumbs down...but I think that that was a bit immature.

Not that I said anything wrong...but that i disagreed and voiced an opinion.

Please...grow up.

[McKennahLane]

4 As for the survey..I was PART of that survey! And we are THRILLED with what Willow was/is doing..but did the "more matured" Christian want to go even further? YES! And Willow PROVIDES us those opportunities!! Would my daughter - a newer believer/seeker understand or want to delve that deep? NO! In fact..it might put her to sleep and turn her off! Have "programs" and the ability to join programs (their availability) help her to become a Christian, to learn and grow..ABSOLUTELY!

[McKennahLane]

3- I disagree that ALL Christians are fully devoted followers of Christ. I've known TOO many Christians in name only. I, myself, have floated in and out of my levels of devotion (sadly).

[Apeleutheros80]

And thats the thing...They are "christians" in a nominal sense. They're not Christians... they're not even saved. I'm not saying that true followers don't have difficulty but a sign that they are true followers is that they become convicted of that and deepen in their repentance. They turn from that which God despises and throw their selves at His mercy. There is no middle ground... what do you think the Laodician church was?

[McKennahLane]

I attend and am a member of Willow. I have to disagree with this guy on a few issues.

1-Having "programs"in a church DOES help..not only the church population (a few "programs" saved my life from falling apart), but also the community.

2-When a person DOES decide to turn to Christ..isn't it better to have them surrounded by a faith community. Who comes to Christ with no Christ-outlets around or having experience or knowing what Christ could do?

[cellebleu]

this man todd friel is a hypocrite, NOT a christian. he twists words and is a spiteful evil man. DO NOT listen to him!

[bwwcpa]

If Jesus appeared to any pastor and said, "you have 2 yrs. before I come back." What would the next 104 sermons be about? A clear path to Christ would be explained with the opportunity to give your life to him right there and then. Well, we don't know when he's coming back, so shouldn't that be taught every Sunday. I think the church's that have it right have a balance of Truth and Grace.

[bwwcpa]

Again, "free?" non-tithing service for seekers? You say you've been seeking for over 20 yrs. If you have been saved you have found Christ and now you are no longer a seeker. You have found the truth. His name is Jesus. Now, you can go to the pay per view service. Start tithing you won't be sorry.

[PENWESTERN]

I love the Willow Creek energetic "free" non-tithing service for those of us who seek.

[greatnewsnetwork]

No one seeks God, it is God who seeks after man. The only thing a non-believer seeks is sin. When I was a non-believer I had about as much use for God as a bank robber has use for the police. God is the seeker there are none that seek after God.

[flycentro123]

completely lost on what is trying to be said here, but would hope not saying anything bad about the preacher, Ive never been more blessed when hearing Hybells and I grew up in the church.

[welch]

What about the "man made methods" that almost every church in America uses which includes church buildings, professional pastors and the Sunday sermon.

[RoyIngle]

I would say that those are side issues. The key issue facing the seeker movement and the church at large in the West is the gospel itself. How do you become a disciple is much more of a key issue than those side issues. Salvation is the fundamental problem with the Church in America. We fail to preach true repentance.

[itsmillertime295]

cool how in the first part he doesn't let bill answer his own question.