City of Life and Death (Nanjing! Nanjing!) Japanese Drums

[AidanTW]

I am a half Chinese international student about to start an extensive IB Rape of Nanking course... I think the hardest part of this course is going to be spent convincing myself the assumption that the entire Japanese race is inherently evil, perverted / generally malicious shouldn't be based upon this historical event...

[StonewallJackson26]

Please someone tell me what they are saying????

[TheSalmonfan]

Imperial Japanese troops entered China in responding Chinese provocation. There was NO Nanking Massacre whatsoever.

[StonewallJackson26]

@TheSalmonfan You are a Japanese troll. You have been doing the same thing for years. Get a life. You aren't fooling anyone.

[TheSalmonfan]

@StonewallJackson26

I have not been here on YT for yrs yet, how could I have been 'doing the same thing' for yrs ?

On the other hand, you're truthfully revealing you've been trolling around these videos for yrs yourself. Good confession indeed. Yes go get a life !

[StonewallJackson26]

@TheSalmonfan I saw you in a similar argument with someone else no more than a month ago. I always remember the mega trolls.

[TheSalmonfan]

@StonewallJackson26

Your crack addiction made you change from 'for years' to 'no more than a month ago' ?

[StonewallJackson26]

@TheSalmonfan This is what I mean by troll.

[TheSalmonfan]

@StonewallJackson26

yes you're a troll, couldn't agree more.

[StonewallJackson26]

@TheSalmonfan Look in the mirror bitch

[WC2002Truth]

And now some Japanese nationalists argue that the Nanjing Massacre was carried out by conscripted Korean soldiers in the Imperial Army who ignored Japanese military orders to go and murder the Chinese.. the lies are disgusting. They probably also believe the Jewish Holocaust was carried out by French people in Nazi uniforms.

[TheSalmonfan]

@WC2002Truth

Lina, I told you such complicated topics on this video are not for a brainwashed Chinese woman with a pair of 3-inch bound feet like you. Go back to your windowless bedroom for the rest of your life. It creeps me out when a dirty rat like you is talking like a human...for God's sake.

[TheSalmonfan]

@WC2002Truth

You're just Lina again, in a new FAKE YT ID. Your stinky body is radioactive TOO. Hi & bye Lina.

[WC2002Truth]

@TheSalmonfan Another radioactive Jap monkey lol

[mmuseb]

it was very sad what happened with the poor civilians. but this scene is the best thing i have ever watched in any movie. this is more powerful than weapon.

[Sablicious]

Wonder how many of the 1.4 billion are an indirect result of the Nanjing atrocities...

[Sablicious]

This is one of the most morbidly cogent sequences I've seen on film.

I don't know whether to feel vicarious pride or to just throw up when watching this! =/

[MasterWarri]

one word: epic!

[shujilove]

I love music perform. I am very sry for nanjing. Peace to the world.

[Blackjack3905]

I’m cool with modern Japan despite their xenophobia and concepts of superiority, but back when they were an empire, the imperial army was a real mothe******* oppressor to the nearby nations, but I have to admit whatever they do they do it with style. ;)

[warboss1100]

im an american and i understand what the Nanking Massacre was and how horrible it is

but this march is epic, gives me chills everytime.

[Sturminfantrist]

@warboss1100 i hope u understand was the my Lai Massacre is its ur work or all this bloody little massacre on native americans like on washita river,wounded Knee ect., or Shermans Burning session in the Conferderate States. The U.S. Army and the Colonial Europeans are by far the greatest Killers .Do not condemn the japanese! Japan has a great culture and in the past one of the worlds best Armed Forces, brave Soldiers and can be proud of its History!!!!!! Hail the Empire

[GoldLakai]

This with a Total War game, XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LebowskiRoots]

No joke, Iam listening to it at my work out in the gym!

Its so strong!

[emactan]

Mesmerizing. Keep coming back to it. Director/producer Lu Chuan will not give viewers pat and easy emotions. We should feel hatred toward the Japanese invaders. But scenes like this--with all its beauty--even in the midst of the ruins--throws us into a limbo, a clash of feelings.

[JJKJX]

@emactan Yes I agree with you, you said it well, a clash of feelings indeed.

[LebowskiRoots]

So impressive!!!

[oIIJOSHIIoNe]

Fucking amazing... This is so good

[Waffenbaum]

@dyaredele It is to mark the successful occupation of Nanjing by the Imperial Japanese Army, and its subsequent annexation into the Japanese territories. I have read that people at the time believed that; "looking upon the Emperor is to look at the sun itself in all its radiance", which may explain why they start the dance by staring into the sun. Essentially it is praise to the Emperor.

[27rand]

@Waffenbaum

If you were a Jap, you would not dream of looking up the emperor, rather humbly bow.

FYI;

A footage of the entrance ceremony, on 19/12/1937, from a real newsreel.

Go to the following on YouTube: 南京陥落当時の貴重な映像（2of5）

[boiledegg777]

The Chinese Army had a unique fighting organization called the 'Supervising Unit'.

This unit urged soldiers to advance against the front line and watch over them .

If any soldiers tried to ascape, they would be shot by this unit.

Chinese dead bodies nea Yijian Gate were those killed by the 'Supervising Unit'.

[ArantirSH]

@boiledegg777 Russians did the same with their commissars

[Bra23we12]

This is a film.

Make of it what you will.

It accurately depicts the events of 70 odd years ago.

It is not propoganda. It simply is.

If you wish to understand it......then, my friend, you should study history....as the politicians do.

Understanding history teaches us not to make the same mistakes....and tells us who to hate.

[boiledegg777]

@Bra23we12 This video is propaganda. 'Nanking' was already disproved logically. Watch my video. See Tibet and Uyghur !

[Sablicious]

@Bra23we12 It's based on real events and a lot of this kind of shit did happen (even worse), but it is NOT ACCURATE. It's poeticized for filmic purpose.

Having said that, the Japanese deserved another A-bomb just for Nanjing alone.

[Bra23we12]

@Sablicious

Yeah. No contest.

You're absolutely right.

I dunno if I agree with the A-bomb comment though. I've never really believed it was necessary to drop the first... let alone the second.

Ironic really.....Americans worried about radio-activity from Japan today...:)

Anyway.....I accept your comment and agree.

[Sablicious]

@Bra23we12 The bomb comment is more reactionary than a literal opinion I espouse. After all, killing innocents for innocents makes about as much sense as screwing in the name of of virginity!

Also, what COMMUNIST China do today has little relevance to what happened in Nanjing. Though, they did kill their own soldiers who tried to desert. And although Nanjing is used as a propaganda tool by the Polit Beauro, this movie was actually criticized for painting the Japs in too humanistic a light!

[Bra23we12]

@Sablicious

That was a fast comeback for U-Tube.

The bomb?....I agree with you.

You put "communist" in caps. I guess that means you're American? I'm also guessing that you're a movie fan?

.....I'll push the boat out further........You're interested in history....and you're a grown up?

[Sablicious]

@Bra23we12 Except for the American part (/slur), your perspicacity is undeniable.

Have you considered a career as a private investigator? You know, like Magnum P.I.? :P

[Bra23we12]

@Sablicious

Lol....Likes films, history and is over 18?.....it was elementary my dear Watson.

But not American?......though anti-communist?

Introductions:

I'm a 50 year old man from Southampton, UK. Interested in film, military history and pretty much everything else.

You?

[Sablicious]

@Bra23we12 Closer to British than Yank... but I'm not doing the whole 'Internet disclosure' thang. Sorry ;)

But had a family member who was a history teacher and also grew up in a Communist country; thus have some idea of how the system works in reality.

[Bra23we12]

@Sablicious

Disclosure?

Why does that sound so ominous? The only things that require disclosure are those that are initially hidden.

Are you hiding? From what?

Communist in capitals.....a fear of being attributed to comments already posted......?

I think you lied earlier......I think you are American my dear watson.

Self concious, afraid of the opinions of others? Certainly sounds American.......also female?

Maybe Magnum would have solved this by now?.....:)

[Sablicious]

@Bra23we12 Where's the relevance of who I am?

I made some opinions know regarding elements pertaining to the content of this video / film and my words can either be rejected or embraced based one's own judgment.

If I were to say I'm so Rhode scholar in political and military history and Sino-Japanese relations, would that make my comments more cogent? If I were just some random YT trawler, less so? Why?

[Bra23we12]

@Sablicious Seriously? You're really asking why a persons background might play a fundamental part in their beliefs? I take it then that you feel cultures have no effect upon the individuals born into them? You truly believe, for example, that an American and an Arab could be swapped at birth and the American arab would be screaming for jihad whilst the Arabian american dropped bombs on him?

You're a strange little thing, aren't you.

[Sablicious]

@Bra23we12 Of course an individual is 90% product of nurture and maybe 10% nature. So?

I'm talking about the validity of my comments and it being up to the reader to determine whether, based on facts, what I say is worth a squirt of piss. Not about whether my resume should be festooned on the Internet every time I post a comment!

:rolleyes.gif:

[Bra23we12]

@Sablicious

Oh......."based on facts"? Whose facts? You're right about comments being a "I like/dislike" kind of thing. They're just first thoughts.

With replies, things become more interesting. You're point of view is tested. Your beliefs may be questioned. Your "facts" subjected to argument.

You take a risk.

You gamble what you "know"......against what you may learn.

You're resume/background/culture is what you bring to the table.

But in this game...even when you lose you win.

[Bra23we12]

@Bra23we12

The big winner is the one who walks away with a greater understanding.

I like to talk to people....I'd like to understand them if I could. I'm smothered in my own preconceptions....but I want to learn.

The best thing about the internet....is the ability to talk as if you were next door.

After all......your neighbor is a friend.....and your enemy the unknown.

[boiledegg777]

This movie is perfect fiction ! propaganda !

[rexregum]

@boiledegg777 apparently the Japanese actors who took part in the film weren't aware of that. lol.

of late there has been an increasing number of films on WW2 made with mutual cooperation between Chinese and Japanese. Take the Ip Man film for example which starred several prominent Japanese actors within as well as having the soundtrack composed by a Japanese musician despite the film's nationalistic themes. This shows a willingness on both sides to have a more objective view on history.

[Johnyevil]

The Imperial Japanese were ruthless, millions of innocent civilians murdered in China, but this is history and what is done is done, as long as Japan acknowledges the fact that this did happen.

[27rand]

@Johnyevil I admire and agree with a half of what you say;"this is history". The other half is;"as long as the communist China withdraw it's brain-washing campaign on WWII and Nanking.

[WC2002Truth]

@Johnyevil So I can fuck your mother, acknowledge it, and what's done is done right?

[TheSalmonfan]

@WC2002Truth

Lina, you're a Chinese woman and you're using those F-words so freely in public. Your upbringing has a lot to do with it.

[sixshooter500]

@Johnyevil They don't acknowledge the extent of the crimes at Nanjing. Just so you know.

[boiledegg777]

this is propaganda, in order not to be accused about no freedom in china

[Lemoeny]

@boiledegg777 This movie was made by Chinese you know that right? この映画は中国でつくられた。。。I don't get it why are the Japanese so reluctant to admit their war atrocities? The Germans did why can't the Japanese? I live in Japan btw..

[boiledegg777]

@Lemoeny because this is propaganda . 'nanking' is made-up story not history. watch my video.

[Sablicious]

@Lemoeny Japan has the highest suicide rate in the world. Japanese cannot confront emotions. It stems from a 'bushido' samurai culture.

The offshoot of this today is, a large proportion of their young adult male population reject the fathers' way of thinking; in relation to work, family & general outlook on life. Thus they have a problem where 67% of 18-35yo men do not want families or wives or children & are more interested in being, well.. gay!

Google: 'soshoku [kei] danshi' or herbivore men

[drbuddha]

this is not an original right? they can't be topless in December!

[Waffenbaum]

@drbuddha

You would be surprised. Throughout the movie most of the people are wearing large coats, and the soldiers wear overcoats. The drummers are probably bare-chested as per tradition.