Steve Coleman and Five Elements - Rhythm People

[shawnmd27]

Simply great!

[FliegendeHollaender]

ok. could anyone tell me, from what they know, what is predetermined here in grounds of pre-composed material?

[digimaton]

@FliegendeHollaender most likely just the head of the tune, it then follows a fixed cycle, whereupon they improvise around the main theme (the head).

[Parvenu333]

I understand what you're saying, I just view it a different way. And that's perfectly fine :)

[SoaringTrumpet]

Such a groove...

[MrMickel10]

So  CoooL!!!!!

[tonyfreejazz20]

AWESOME......

[InHumanForm555]

Anyone know what time this is played in? @1:15 they land on one and i counted 4 groupings of 8 in eighths plus 4 more eigths before it sounded like they changed and landed back on the downbeat. Otherwise this is one tricky soundin tune. Killa. Probably just better to listen to it passively to take it in.

[digimaton]

@InHumanForm555 last time I counted this through the only thing that made sense to me is a cycle that runs: 3x6/4 + 1x7/4 + 3x6/4.

The opening line starts on the 2nd 1/4 note of the first bar, this adds to the a listeners initial confusion, it's a essentially a displacement effect.

I think...: )

[Parvenu333]

I just had my second master class with Steve Coleman, and apparently his stuff isn't meant to be traditionally notated in terms of time signatures.

What this is really based on is what Steve calls a "drum chant" (a repeating drum melody). I remember he said that he thought of the melody first when he wrote this tune, and what he'll do when composing is integrate a melody (or chord changes) into a drum chant figure. Therefore, the drum pattern is the key to understanding this tune.

[digimaton]

@Parvenu333 true, once discussed this with Coleman & Sean Rickman after a gig, however, it doesn't mean to say that a conventional schema cannot be used in analysis. Also, I'm not Steve Coleman, so, if I transcribed this stuff, and put a chart together for musicians who are unfamiliar with the work, time signatures would aid in communicating the rhythmic ideas, they are just metric signifiers, the players would eventually focus on the feel and not the count so i don't see a problem with it.

[bopkick5]

@digimaton correctomundo in terms of euro

[bopkick5]

@digimaton correctomundo in terms of euro

[mbase1235]

@digimaton If you are going to use time signatures, then this is basically correct. As @Parvenu333 stated, I think of the drum chant as a melody, and the sax melody as another melody, and they create the form that we are following. We don't count, but if you have to count, then what you have is correct.

[camelloarenas]

ufffffff great..incredible.....

[jujutay]

Totally Fucking brilliant!

[javijazztazz]

Wow steve coleman is amazing

[zubimarta]

Muy bueno, si señor, me encanta este tipo de música...desde Sevilla

marta