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Why do the skeptics always forget that what the Sufi Dervishes do are not a replacement of the Prophet's teachings. They're only using the Sufi Muslim teachings as life style, while still practicing the core religious teachings of Islam such as prayers, fasting, pilgrimage and others. Please skeptics, let's talk about shedding blood, killing and bombing innocent civilians as your scholars have taught you to commence in order to get 70 virgins in so-called heaven.
Unless of course we have lost faith in the actual teachings so we look for other methods to get closer to Allah? through this dancing? Allahu 'alam .. I dont want to judge my brothers and sisters in Islam who a dancing away like this. But what I will say is. If we dont feel any closeness to Allah after doing the common things like Salah, Quran reciting and understanding and so on...Then it is not the tools (salah,dua,quran) that needs needs to be changed or added to. We just need to learn how
Without disrespecting them.. As they are still our brothers and sisters in Islam. Why would we need to do such acts when Muhammad (saw) showed us how to worship so much that we would be on a great spiritual high? Salah (namaz) Dua (supplication) Recitation of the Quran (Spiritual and practical guidance). Muhammad (saw) gave us the tools to feel very spritual through the acts of worship taught by him (saw). I don't understand why we would need anything else to get closer to Allah ...
Sufi keeps one hand up and one down when dancing, this means getting blessings from Allah with the hand holding up and giving it away to the people with the hand holding down.
Sufi dance was first performed by Mavlana Jalaluddin Balkhi Rumi, he started dancing when he heard the blacksmith working with his tools, to him it sounded like music. Mavlana Jalaluddin was born in Balkh Afghanistan and he immigrated to Turkey, He was a true Muslim with a very close connection to Shams, he is a big scholar in muslim history. This dance was performed by him to show his special connection with god. For one to perform Sufi dance he must become a Sufi in character to feel it.
this is a fucking joke. I am so embarrassed that these kind of people actually CLAIM to be Muslim. I WONDER what the prophet (saaw) would say if he saw these guys dancing and spinning in his mosque.
@dj2can Oh so dancing around looking possessed is the correct path is it? Well then again, every SUFI i know of finds it normal to go clubbing and pop pills...it all makes sense. And for the record, Im a SISTER :) Lol Allah yehdeek
@Neyney7hug1ady WTF frist of all the Sufi existed for centuries in the Ottoman times, what do you ignorant Arab know? go blow yourself up like your Al Aqueda Pals, I am sure that is correct "Islam"
@Neyney7hug1ady A devoutly religious man, who was a disciple of Bayazid, said to him one day: 'I am surprised that anyone who accepts God should not attend the mosque for worship.'
Bayazid answered: 'I, on the other hand, am surprised that anyone who knows God can worship him and not lose his senses, rendering his ritual prayer invalid.'
@Neyney7hug1ady you must learn to accept difference in opinion between people of this world, and the fact that different people have different religious beliefs. by calling them lost, or wayward, it only indicates your immaturity. you have much to learn.
CORRECTION: I said this specifically is "innovation and deviance," not shirk.
The comments below in support of this video are in agreement that they are separate from mainstream Islam.
It is very simple: If you want to worship Allah on his terms in the way that he has prescribed, then you must abandon this mystic dancing. If you want to continue in inventing your own ways of worship, illogically believing that you are getting close to Allah, then this dancing is for you.
“… and be not of al-mushrikoon (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah, polytheists, idolaters, etc),
Of those who split up their religion (i.e., who left the true Islamic monotheism), and became sects, [i.e., they invented new things in the religion (bid’ah) and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.” [al-Room 30:31-32]
Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan said: Every act of worship which the companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do, do not do it.
Ibn Mas’ood said: Follow and do not innovate, for the religion is complete. Adhere to the old way (i.e., the way of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the Sahaabah)
Hence Imam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Whoever introduces any innovation into Islam claiming that it is good is implying that Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) betrayed the message entrusted to him, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion” [al-Maa'idah 5:3]
The Sufis recite love poems mentioning the names of women and boys in their dhikr gatherings, and they repeat words such as “love”, “passion”, “desire” and so on, as if they are in a gathering where people dance and drink wine and clap and shout. All of this has to do with the customs and acts of worship of the mushrikeen. Allaah says:
“Their salaah (prayer) at the House (of Allaah, i.e., the Ka’bah at Makkah) was nothing but whistling and clapping of hands…” [al-Anfaal 8:35]
@electrifrying You know you should shut your ignorant mouth and respect other people's spiritual traditions as long as their contributing positively to humanity and the universe! The Sufi masters teachings emphasize love and compassion which is the most important basic human ethic; and the basis of true religion. Stop using passages of the Qur'an to justify your oppressive and fanatic Salafi/Wahhabi beliefs! I respect your right to worship in the way that works for you, do the same to others!
"you should shut your ignorant mouth and respect other people's spiritual traditions as long as their contributing positively to humanity and the universe!"
Please define: what does it mean to contribute positively to humanity? Yes, we both agree that it encompasses love and compassion, but it MUST be built upon a foundation of TRUTH.
“It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allaah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allaah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error” [al-Ahzaab 33:36]
“Indeed in the Messenger of Allaah (Muhammad) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with) Allaah and the Last Day” [al-Ahzaab 33:21]
wow this is crazy to me because I found myself doing this by force of some kind of intity taking over me. my head would lean to the right and I would have to spin to the right and eventually i found myself lost and the only way back to reality was spinning the other way but accidently I spent the other way for to long so I went from feeling the presence of divinity to hearing evil voices and what not. I am no muslim and all this jus randomly happen to me so when I heard about this it shocked me.
salaams my brothers in Islam, my question is directed to sufs not to question the sufis beliefs but to know more about sufi Islam as I have never interacted with any sufis before.
what is the general sufi position on the laws of Islam as presented in the Quran?
the syariah law of adultery, stealing.. the laws of business transactions, the laws of inheritance, the laws of marriage, jihad.. etc
And millions, from every corner of the earth, have accepted that invitation throughout the centuries. The founder of the Whirling Dervishes, Mevlana Celaleddin-i Rumi's message of love, brotherhood and tolerance was so powerfully expressed in his poetry that his teaching spread throughout the Muslim world even before his death on December 17th, 1273.
@Tha0wn4g3 The Sufis allow dancing, drums and musical instruments, and raising the voice when making dhikr, but Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“The believers are only those who, when Allaah is mentioned, feel a fear in their hearts…” [al-Anfaal 8:2]
Moreover, you see some of them making dhikr by only pronouncing the Name of Allaah, saying, “Allaah, Allaah, Allaah.” This is bid’ah and has no meaning in Islam. They even go to the extreme of saying, “Ah, ah” or “Hu, Hu.”
@electrifrying 8:2: For, Believers are those who, when Allah is mentioned, feel a tremor in their hearts, and when they hear His signs rehearsed, find their faith strengthened, and put (all) their trust in their Lord;
how in the world does this prove your argument? In fact, they are reciting the Signs of Allah, the 99 names.
Before his death, Mevlana told his followers not to cry and mourn when he died; because for him, death was a "wedding day, a nuptial night." The day you get back to your origin, the day you are united with God. Thousands of tourists and pilgrims go to Konya every year to observe the Whirling Dervishes dance. Mevlevi disciples come from throughout Turkey to celebrate the wedding night of their founder
Mevlana's message of love, peace, brotherhood and unity with God appealed to the people of that strife-torn time. Nevertheless, the religiously conservative citizens objected to his use of stringed instruments, drums and reed flutes. This music accompanies whirling through which he and his disciples sought to align themselves with nature and thus with God. Mevlana insisted, however, that prayer has a motion.
His followers eventually developed the distinctive whirling movements of their unique prayer ritual.Symbolic movements and special clothing are all part of the Mevlevi ceremony.The dance,in three parts, represents the states of knowing God,seeing God, and uniting with God. Ecstacy and passion were hallmarks of Mevlana's thoughts of art.Mevlana brought mysticism to the excitement of poetic recitations,music and dance.He came to be revered by men of many faiths and symbolized the unity of mankind.
whirling is a substitute for kneeling when praying or connecting with the divine. It can be more effective than some modes of prayer because is causes a person to lose self-consciousness and to abandon themselves to their spiritual being through a rhythmic and trance-inducing dance
They are dancing around the centre of the human soul, the human heart, which is a mirror of God. The dance is a prayer and a meditation which aims to awaken to the divine centre.
No they do not leave this world, they go into an idiotic trance, thinking they are coming closer to God. A heightened emotional state does not mean you are getting closer to God. In fact worshipping God in ways that he has forbidden is illogical, and in any persons eyes, a clear innovation and punishable.
@electrifrying your ignorance and prejudice is what is really punishable! Shut your stupid mouth and actually listen and learn to Sufi teachings actually are before you criticize it (same for any others)! Their spiritual trance meditating on love of the Divine and on human love and compassion is much better than your empty ritualistic materialist "Islam"! and Sufis don't use the word "God" to describe Allah, Allah is immaterial, he is beyond all material descriptions of perfection and greatness
Wa sharrul Umoori Muhdathaatuhaa, Wa kulla Bid'atin dhaialah, wa kulla dhalatin fin-naar" Al-Hadith (Sahih Muslim). Translation of the above Hadith: Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance goes to Hell fire.
@darklight254 "innovation" is anything made up that doesn't confer to the truth; this dance doesn't embody or represent anything against the truth; it is a great form of expression for the love of Allah; and the nature of Allah as pure love and energy. If you spent actual time to understand yourself and the relation of your spirituality to real life; to direct experience consisting of empirical, observable facts, you wouldn't misuses this Hadith to condemn things you don't understand!
@darklight254 ny ways no use to discuss this if you want to insist that exactly following the prophet in every action is the way to live a right and enlightened life. The prophet (p.b.u.h) gave us basic guidelines in his teaching; it is up to us to apply them in ways that work best in the world. No teacher of truth would insist on followers to just follow them; he teaches them the truths of life and leaves them to apply them in the best way to benefit themselves and others.
as in Allah is not energy itself, but the creator of energy.
Let me explain further. To say that Allah is energy is tantamount to saying Allah is in our mitochondria. Allah is in every object above the ground (potential energy), Allah is everything that moves.
This is a great, a GRAVE misunderstanding. I advise you, a sincere advice: learn aqeedah (Allah's names, attributes, tawheed) from scratch. Start from the Quran, and read a reliable translation. Truth will be made clear.
@darklight254 I've read all of that, I understand and speak Arabic, and the belief I mention is the only one that makes sense for me; if you relate the Qur'an to real observable, empirical facts of life. And if you looked properly at what I said: "The nature of Allah is pure love and energy" , that is Allah's nature not neccessarily what Allah is (Allah has no gender either). I just want to say that we'd all benefit more if we try to learn the truth ourselves instead of endlessly arguing text.
But where do we get truth from? It is indeed possible to believe in God, his existence and him being a superior being without revelation, but when it comes to the finer details...we know nothing without the texts. Would we know about jannah, hell, the angels, the attributes of Allah, how to worship Allah, on what we will be judged, how we will be judged, what is inherently right...etc etc etc. without the texts?
@darklight254 " Would we know about jannah, hell, the angels, the attributes of Allah, how to worship Allah, on what we will be judged, how we will be judged, what is inherently right...etc etc etc. without the texts?"
Islam is not a religion. Please don't insult Islam and say it is a religion. It's not. The Hadith are a religion. But not Islam. Not. No.
Please forgive me. Yes you are right, "Islam is not a religion."
In fact, Islam is an entire way of life, a deen, a system, a theology, an economy, a political system, and a social system. The word "religion" does not do the comprehensiveness of Islam justice.
@darklight254 Muhammad judged by the Qur'an Alone. Look up "obey allah and his messenger free quran online" and click on the free-quran-online website article.
I read it, the article has so many flaws, and quote you this simple hadith, which basically proves this idea of only following the Quran and sunnah is not that important:
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I do not want to see any one of you reclining on his couch and, when he hears of my instructions or prohibitions, saying ‘I don’t accept it; we didn’t find any such thing in the Book of Allaah.’” (Sunan al-Tirmidhi no. 2663)
b. the book of tirmidhi, is a collection of the statements of the prophet sws.
Therefore, join the dots, and we must follow the messenger in his entirety.
The Quran states to pay zakah, but does not give the specifics. The Quran states to do salat so many times, but how do we know the order? The only way is the sunnah!
It is beautiful, hypnotic. The music is otherworldy. I've watched Sufi dancers before on TV but never for long enough to feel the trancelike energy. I could listen to this forever.
Lots of people doesn't like to talk about Sufism because it teaches the God LOVE not God fear... Because it has lots of rituals taken from Shamanic time of Turks. Because it shows the clear path to understand the God, nature, universe, soul and nature. And the best thing about it is; Rumi says; "Wonderer, worshipper, lover of leaving. It doesn't matter. Ours is not a caravan of despair. Come, even if you have broken your vow a thousand times Come, yet again, come, come."
I understand why some people are against sufism because no one in time of the prophet had ever done such thing like this. But here we should be tolerant toward sufism because sufis do this only for God and such dervhishes are muslims. So don't mark muslims who don't think like a vahhabi as godless please. It is not allowed in Islam to mark a muslim brother as godless or something else.
If you understand that no one in the time of the Prophet (sallahu alayhi wasalm) did it, then you should be speaking out against it. I know that they do this to please Allah, but Allah told us how to please Him and worship Him. People shouldn't make up things in the name of Islam.Also, Allah wouldn't be happy with this because people are disobeying His commands and worshipping Him how they see fit,instead of how Allah sees fit because at the end of the day we are trying to get into His paradise.
Why should we be tolerant towards people who are disobeying Allah? I'm not saying to hurt them but to not support them and to speak out against them. We can't let our desires get in the way of the truth. This will lead into people wanting to change the religion. The rules in Islam will and always has been the same. Also, I'm not saying that they are godless. I'm just saying that doing this act is disobeying Allah.
I'm not a muslim but it seems that Sufism is simply not authentic and has no back up from either Quran or Hadiths. I simply don't see anything muslim about them.
Did you read what I said? I said it does not have back up from Quran and Hadiths. I was talking about its relation to Islam. And I did read in Sufi poems in grade five or six.
mmmmm....sufism is not a religion, get your facts right.
sufism started out as a way of clarifiying ones soul from bad habits to get a person closer to allah subhanahu wata3alla, as a way to balance the materialism that people got involved in during the time it started.
and it DIDNT involve all this dancing . the tariqqas at that time were all in harmony with the islamic principles
@heero171 "I am the servant of the Qur'an as long as I have life.
I am the dust on the path of Muhammad, the Chosen one.
If anyone quotes anything except this from my sayings,
I am quit of him and outraged by these words."
Dont get it twisted...Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi rahmatullah alai was a Muslim...and an Intoxicated Sufi who destroyed himself in the Love Of Allah which he recieved from the court of the final prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)...Sufism is not a religion.
why would you want to invent your own ways to worship God?
If God has given you commands to worship him in a particular way, and you start doing something else, then in the eyes of every rational sane human being, you are committing major sin, and God has every right to punish you on the Day of regret.
@tolgaoztemur True, but it's far more concerned with spiritual struggle rather than other Islamic schools of thought, which are bogged down in dogmatic, and rather oppressive values that punish and are afraid of open dialogue or change.
Firstly, I am not a wahhabi. Secondly, you can't label muslims unless they have said I am a sunni, shia.... Thirdly, "wahhabis" aren't even a sect. Fourthly, you need to read on your history of Muhammad ibn Wahhab. Lastly, what am I doing that is so wrong that it bothers you. I am just trying to spread the truth. Don't hate on me just because I'm giving facts. Also, look at the proof, I'm not just saying made up things.
Yes it's haram because it's not even part of Islam.The Prophet (salallhu alayhi wasalam) said that anything new that is added to this religion of ours will have it rejected.Allah says in the Quran what could be traslated as"This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have
chosen for you Islam as your religion."So to do this is claiming that Allah withheld something from the Prophet or that the Prophet withheld something from us.Which is wrong on both cases.
Those who do this crazy thing, they do nothing bu hate Islam, and I assure you they only make happy the western country. This is how west want to see you, dancing and betraying ResulAllah. They don't want you go out and oppose their ideas. So good job soofis, make happy shaytan and enemies of Islam
They don't do this because they hate Islam.They do this because they think it will get the closer to Allah.Which is really sad because they are really showing their disobedience to Allah.They think they are right and we know that we are right and so Allah will Judge between us on the Day of Judgment.You know wat is scary?Standing in front of Allah on that day and finding out that your wrong and being punished for that, when we had clear proof. May Allah save us from the torment of the fire.Ameen
Everyone makes mistakes and it's what we do to correct it that counts. Whatever good that came from my postingsis only from Allah and whatever evil that came from it is from myself and the shaytan.
Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) on Allah command made his cousin Hazrat Ali the first Imam at Gadeer-e-Khum. Since then Imamat has been in the progeny of Muhammed to current Imam Shah Karim Aga Khan. This is the basis of Ismaili muslims. Itnashris and bohras share the same starting Imams as Ismalies and then they branch off.
Anyways, Sufi whirling is a form of meditation and form to show love and devotion for Allah.
The Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam)was preparing Abu Bakr (radiallahu anhu) to be the leader after him. And he fully said when the people wanted Umar (radiallahu anhu) to lead the prayers that Allah and His Messenger want Abu Bakr. If Ali (radiallahu anhu) was supposed to be the next leader then why didn't he fight it? If Allah intended Ali (radiallahu anhu) to be the leader then why would allow Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman (radiallahu anhuma) to be leaders before Ali (radiallahu anhu)?
The problem is the people who think that Ali (radiallahu anhu) was supposed to be the leader just because he's related to the Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam). They don't except that this is all by the Qadar of Allah. Sufi whirling is not a form of devotion but a form of disobedience to Allah. You guys don't take facts for what they really are. For example the hadith about sects. In the Quran it says many times "Obey Allah and Obey the Rasul", where does whirling come into this?
What is the point of this comment? So wat if Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman (radiallahu anhuma) worshipped idols? It would be pretty obvious that they did since Islam wasn't revealed then. When they all found out the truth they accepted Islam. Abu Bakr (radiallahu anhu) was the first man to accept Islam. Ali (radiallahu anhu) didn't worship idols because he was young and was living with the prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam) at a young age. So... wat is the point of this?
Caliphs were only political figures. From the event at Gadeer-e-khumb, Hazrat Ali became the first Imam. There came the first split within Islam of Shia's and Sunni's.
Imam's do not have to have political power. There were Imam's who were rulers during the Fatimid empire. The current Imam has no political power, but he is still invited by many countries officials to visit. Karim Aga Khan has done wonders in building a positive face of Islam in the world with so much ignorance about Islam.
Caliphas were not only political figures but were also the leaders of the Muslim ummah. I don't know what Gadeer-e-khumb is, so explain. Aga Khan is not showing a positive face of Islam upon the truth but upon falsehood. I don't know how people don't see the truth. It honestly is mind boggling to figure out why people take the word of the leaders over the words of the Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam).
You love and trust Ali (radiallahu anhu) right? You woulld take his word and follow him right? Then please bring me authentic proof from the history of Islam that says Ali (radiallahu anhu) did this and promoted this. You wont find any, just to let you know. Which would then make your claim of loving Ali (radiallahu anhu) false. Because if you truly loved Ali (radiallahu anhu) then you would be following in his footsteps and not doing what your doing.
Allah chose Prophet Muhammed(PBUH)to reveal Islam and then give a proper guide for the followers. At Gadeer-e-Khum, while the prophet and the followers were travelling, Allah asked the Prophet to start the Imamat through Hazrat Ali. A stage was made and the message of Allah revealed, The prophet said, "Who mowla I am, Ali is their mowla". More description on this event is in the the Holy Quran.
Assalaam walekum. I made a mistake saying that the event is described in the Holy Quran. It is in the Hadith. If you have a copy please look into it. I do not have one but will try to get it. Let me know if you find it befor me. Thanks
So for you is to observe my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly-principled and rightly-guided successors, holding on to them with your molar teeth. Beware of newly-introduced matters, for every innovation (bid'ah) is an error."
[Abu Dawud & Al-Tirmidhi, who says it is an authentic hadith]
None of the sahabahs or the rightly guided successors did this then why should we. There are other ways to show your devotion to Allah there is no need to add something new to the religion.
It was narrated on the authority of Abu Najih al-Irbad bin Sariyah, radiyallahu 'anhu, who said: The Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, delivered an admonition that made our hearts fearful and our eyes tearful. We said, "O Messenger of Allah, it is as if this were a farewell sermon, so advise us." He said, "I enjoin you to have Taqwa of Allah and that you listen and obey, even if a slave is made a ruler over you. He among you who lives long enough will see many differences.
"This whirling dance is an expression of thier devotion to Almighty Allah, and the expression vary by culture." You said your self that it varies by culture. This is not from the religion and thus be rejected. Allah says what could be translated as: "This day I have perfected your religion for you and completed My favour upon you and have chosen Islam as religion for you." (surah 5:3. Then do you claim that Allah or the Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam) with held something from us.
Forms of expression of love for Allah varies as in whirling, poetry, geets(many different tradition like ginans, naats, qawalis). My point is the as humans we have many forms with with we can thank Allah for his blessings. Praise of Allah is not restricted.
I respect your view as well. Our ways maybe different but the ultimate destination is Allah.
I agree there are different ways to show your love of Allah but all those different ways are in the Quran &Sunnah.If there are 73 sects in Islam and all are going to hell except one.The Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam) said the one that's saved are those who follow the Quran & sunnah and the rightly-guided successors then what would become of those who aren't following the Quran & Sunnah. Allah loves those who fast and offer optional prayers, I think we should try that before anything else.
Daily prayers are mandatory and so is fasting durign Ramadan. You are right that Quran and the rightly-guided successor should be followed. "Rightly-guided successor" decision has created so many sects within Islam. Saying all other sects except one is going to hell is wrong. I am Ismaili, I follow the Quranic Intepretations of Karim Aga Khan(49th heriditary Imam from Hazrat Ali(S.A.S)
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 171 Narrated byAbdullah ibn Amr: Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: There will befall my Ummah exactly (all those) evils which befell the people of Israil, so much so that if there was one amongst them who openly committed fornication with his mother there will be among my Ummah one who will do that, and if the people of Israil were fragmented into seventy-two sects my Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects. All of them will be in Hell Fire except one sect.
Sufis have had an important place in Muslim history. This whirling dance is an expression of thier devotion to Almighty Allah, and the expression vary by culture. It requires intense focus and love to be able to whirl for 5 minutes. Try it.
SubhanAllah, this is crazy. I don't know where anybody gets this from. How could anybody call themself a Muslim and think that dancing will get them closer to Allah. Where in the Quran and Sunnah does it say this? Where in the history of Islam does any sahabah do this? If an Islamic ruler said to do this, I would think one would ask for proof from the Quran and Sunnah. People are obviously corrupted and may ALLAH guided them Inshallah. Ameen
Why would I of all people not be "learnt". Just because I don't believe everything somebody tells me about the deen without proof doesn't mean I'm not learnt. I'm not a gullible person. Like how does dancing get you closer to Allah. Also, the Prophet(salallahu alayhi wasalam)said whoever adds anything to this deen will have it rejected (Bukhari and Muslim). So this hadith is clear and whoever rejects it is clearly on the wrong path. May Allah Guide us all. Ameen
The dictionary meaning of Sema is to hear in English. Our holly book Quran begins with the word read. When the reader is a kamil (mature, perfect) human resembling the ney(a reed flute especially played in Mevlevi music), who has abandoned all his desires and become the reflection of Allah (God) like a mirror as in Prophet Muhammad, the meaning of what is being read activates our spirits and the sound of it activates our body.
Firstly, there is no musical instruments allowed in Islam except for the def. The first word in the Quran is not 'read'. That was the first word to be revealed. No body is perfect and can be the reflection of Allah. I think you got it mixed up with the 38 hadith of the 40 hadith nawawi where it states that one could do actions until I shall be his hearing with which he shall hear, his sight with which he shall see, his hands with which he shall hold, and his feet with which he shall walk.
one of the most beautiful acts done in the name of God, drives me to tears and I was raised a shia. No denying this is beauty and its intentions are pure. I approve :)
Absolute Beingness (God) has had -- and continues to have -- many messengers throughout the Universes and Dimensions... and will do so on the Earth until the last soul has ascended. Unconditional Love can do no other. If you don't believe me, just ask Him.
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Xiaolian7 2 months ago
LOL They keep spinning around without getting fall down! I saw this picture of sufi dancers in my religious text book.
NgJackal1990 3 months ago
Sufism has no sense with Islam.
cripincuzz15 5 months ago
amazing and pwohh look at the one on the left one spin at such speed lol its amazing
HDTRNA 5 months ago
Why do the skeptics always forget that what the Sufi Dervishes do are not a replacement of the Prophet's teachings. They're only using the Sufi Muslim teachings as life style, while still practicing the core religious teachings of Islam such as prayers, fasting, pilgrimage and others. Please skeptics, let's talk about shedding blood, killing and bombing innocent civilians as your scholars have taught you to commence in order to get 70 virgins in so-called heaven.
zak7711 6 months ago
@zak7711 correct my Friend I think Sufi's are cool, in my country they are peaceful, I am sunni but I have no problem with them, Peace ;)
PureHeavenlySultan 4 months ago
to use the tools. Forget the dancing and find tranquility in what Muhammad (saw) has prescribed and what Allah (swt) has prescribed in the Quran
taib2t 6 months ago
Unless of course we have lost faith in the actual teachings so we look for other methods to get closer to Allah? through this dancing? Allahu 'alam .. I dont want to judge my brothers and sisters in Islam who a dancing away like this. But what I will say is. If we dont feel any closeness to Allah after doing the common things like Salah, Quran reciting and understanding and so on...Then it is not the tools (salah,dua,quran) that needs needs to be changed or added to. We just need to learn how
taib2t 6 months ago
Without disrespecting them.. As they are still our brothers and sisters in Islam. Why would we need to do such acts when Muhammad (saw) showed us how to worship so much that we would be on a great spiritual high? Salah (namaz) Dua (supplication) Recitation of the Quran (Spiritual and practical guidance). Muhammad (saw) gave us the tools to feel very spritual through the acts of worship taught by him (saw). I don't understand why we would need anything else to get closer to Allah ...
taib2t 6 months ago
Sufi keeps one hand up and one down when dancing, this means getting blessings from Allah with the hand holding up and giving it away to the people with the hand holding down.
Naazigak1 10 months ago
Sufi dance was first performed by Mavlana Jalaluddin Balkhi Rumi, he started dancing when he heard the blacksmith working with his tools, to him it sounded like music. Mavlana Jalaluddin was born in Balkh Afghanistan and he immigrated to Turkey, He was a true Muslim with a very close connection to Shams, he is a big scholar in muslim history. This dance was performed by him to show his special connection with god. For one to perform Sufi dance he must become a Sufi in character to feel it.
Naazigak1 10 months ago
dis how u do it bitch
ILgInnnn 11 months ago
this is a fucking joke. I am so embarrassed that these kind of people actually CLAIM to be Muslim. I WONDER what the prophet (saaw) would say if he saw these guys dancing and spinning in his mosque.
airpickone 11 months ago
I wonder what buzzing character started this madness?
IG1LAD 1 year ago
May Allah guide you lost people
Neyney7hug1ady 1 year ago 11
@Neyney7hug1ady
Brother, May Allah keep them guided ifnact, they are lost yes, lost in the Love of the Almighty
dj2can 6 months ago
@dj2can Oh so dancing around looking possessed is the correct path is it? Well then again, every SUFI i know of finds it normal to go clubbing and pop pills...it all makes sense. And for the record, Im a SISTER :) Lol Allah yehdeek
Neyney7hug1ady 4 months ago
@Neyney7hug1ady WTF frist of all the Sufi existed for centuries in the Ottoman times, what do you ignorant Arab know? go blow yourself up like your Al Aqueda Pals, I am sure that is correct "Islam"
PureHeavenlySultan 4 months ago
@Neyney7hug1ady You are following monotheism!
NgJackal1990 3 months ago
@Neyney7hug1ady A devoutly religious man, who was a disciple of Bayazid, said to him one day: 'I am surprised that anyone who accepts God should not attend the mosque for worship.'
Bayazid answered: 'I, on the other hand, am surprised that anyone who knows God can worship him and not lose his senses, rendering his ritual prayer invalid.'
---Bayazid Bistami
bozolazic 2 weeks ago
@Neyney7hug1ady you must learn to accept difference in opinion between people of this world, and the fact that different people have different religious beliefs. by calling them lost, or wayward, it only indicates your immaturity. you have much to learn.
vijay20 1 week ago
dervisleri canli dönerken bikere olsun göremedim ya, gözlerim acik gidecek :(
OsmanliKiz1453 1 year ago
to the own4g3, its too easy to see through your shallow thinking and the mystics of these dancers.
Please stop dancing like these people and uploading this rubbish, which presents and promotes innovation and deviance.
Sorry for the long comment, but these dancers make me sick.
electrifrying 1 year ago
@electrifrying "Please stop dancing like these people and uploading this rubbish".
Please stop your virtual littering, hypocrite.
Tha0wn4g3 1 year ago
@Tha0wn4g3 How sad it is that you cannot respond to the evidence, but choose to insult instead.
electrifrying 1 year ago
@electrifrying What "evidence"? Stop trashing this video, asshole and send me a PM
Tha0wn4g3 1 year ago
@electrifrying Are these people calling on others besides God? No. So you should shut the fuck up.
Tha0wn4g3 11 months ago
@Tha0wn4g3
CORRECTION: I said this specifically is "innovation and deviance," not shirk.
The comments below in support of this video are in agreement that they are separate from mainstream Islam.
It is very simple: If you want to worship Allah on his terms in the way that he has prescribed, then you must abandon this mystic dancing. If you want to continue in inventing your own ways of worship, illogically believing that you are getting close to Allah, then this dancing is for you.
electrifrying 11 months ago
@electrifrying This is Dhikr, which can be found many times advocated in the Qur'an.
Tha0wn4g3 11 months ago
“… and be not of al-mushrikoon (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah, polytheists, idolaters, etc),
Of those who split up their religion (i.e., who left the true Islamic monotheism), and became sects, [i.e., they invented new things in the religion (bid’ah) and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.” [al-Room 30:31-32]
electrifrying 1 year ago
Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan said: Every act of worship which the companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do, do not do it.
Ibn Mas’ood said: Follow and do not innovate, for the religion is complete. Adhere to the old way (i.e., the way of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the Sahaabah)
electrifrying 1 year ago
@electrifrying Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan is not Allah. Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan can kiss my ass
Tha0wn4g3 1 year ago
Hence Imam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Whoever introduces any innovation into Islam claiming that it is good is implying that Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) betrayed the message entrusted to him, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion” [al-Maa'idah 5:3]
electrifrying 1 year ago
The Sufis claim to have gnosis and knowledge of the unseen, but the Qur’aan shows them to be liars. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Say: ‘None in the heavens and the earth knows the ghayb (unseen) except Allaah…’” [al-Naml 27:65]
electrifrying 1 year ago
The Sufis recite love poems mentioning the names of women and boys in their dhikr gatherings, and they repeat words such as “love”, “passion”, “desire” and so on, as if they are in a gathering where people dance and drink wine and clap and shout. All of this has to do with the customs and acts of worship of the mushrikeen. Allaah says:
“Their salaah (prayer) at the House (of Allaah, i.e., the Ka’bah at Makkah) was nothing but whistling and clapping of hands…” [al-Anfaal 8:35]
electrifrying 1 year ago
@electrifrying You know you should shut your ignorant mouth and respect other people's spiritual traditions as long as their contributing positively to humanity and the universe! The Sufi masters teachings emphasize love and compassion which is the most important basic human ethic; and the basis of true religion. Stop using passages of the Qur'an to justify your oppressive and fanatic Salafi/Wahhabi beliefs! I respect your right to worship in the way that works for you, do the same to others!
BhattisexyJanan 11 months ago
@BhattisexyJanan
"you should shut your ignorant mouth and respect other people's spiritual traditions as long as their contributing positively to humanity and the universe!"
Please define: what does it mean to contribute positively to humanity? Yes, we both agree that it encompasses love and compassion, but it MUST be built upon a foundation of TRUTH.
darklight254 11 months ago
“It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allaah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allaah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error” [al-Ahzaab 33:36]
“Indeed in the Messenger of Allaah (Muhammad) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with) Allaah and the Last Day” [al-Ahzaab 33:21]
electrifrying 1 year ago
this so cool im taking world religion in college next year why cant all muslim be like this without the blowing yourself up
Becky123190 1 year ago
wow this is crazy to me because I found myself doing this by force of some kind of intity taking over me. my head would lean to the right and I would have to spin to the right and eventually i found myself lost and the only way back to reality was spinning the other way but accidently I spent the other way for to long so I went from feeling the presence of divinity to hearing evil voices and what not. I am no muslim and all this jus randomly happen to me so when I heard about this it shocked me.
MrH066y 1 year ago
Do they smoke the Shisha? I'm interested in the spiritual of cannabis
Tha0wn4g3 1 year ago
It's not uncommon to dance in this manor in prayer. I've seen Buddhist Monks do it too during rituals.
Niamhdm7871 1 year ago
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Niamhdm7871 1 year ago
sufism is no islam, this is kuffur,i have seen other clips that they are dancing in a mosq with womens, this is a sekt from shaytaan..
a real muslim must pray 5x time at day en do the 5 pilars en follow the sunnah of the prophet(pbuh)
HaroetMaroet 1 year ago
I love it
tikoo1984 1 year ago
salaams my brothers in Islam, my question is directed to sufs not to question the sufis beliefs but to know more about sufi Islam as I have never interacted with any sufis before.
what is the general sufi position on the laws of Islam as presented in the Quran?
the syariah law of adultery, stealing.. the laws of business transactions, the laws of inheritance, the laws of marriage, jihad.. etc
yusufbest 1 year ago
like this
TheBenny0808 2 years ago
I am so grateful.
Koyotegrrl 2 years ago
can somebody explain to me what is exactly going on here?
samin62 2 years ago
And millions, from every corner of the earth, have accepted that invitation throughout the centuries. The founder of the Whirling Dervishes, Mevlana Celaleddin-i Rumi's message of love, brotherhood and tolerance was so powerfully expressed in his poetry that his teaching spread throughout the Muslim world even before his death on December 17th, 1273.
livinreflection 2 years ago
Its the cannabis you stupid.
Cannabis makes the sufis spin so fast!
shaheedain 2 years ago
@shaheedain Yes...the wonderful shisha
Tha0wn4g3 1 year ago
@Tha0wn4g3 The Sufis allow dancing, drums and musical instruments, and raising the voice when making dhikr, but Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“The believers are only those who, when Allaah is mentioned, feel a fear in their hearts…” [al-Anfaal 8:2]
Moreover, you see some of them making dhikr by only pronouncing the Name of Allaah, saying, “Allaah, Allaah, Allaah.” This is bid’ah and has no meaning in Islam. They even go to the extreme of saying, “Ah, ah” or “Hu, Hu.”
electrifrying 1 year ago
@electrifrying 8:2: For, Believers are those who, when Allah is mentioned, feel a tremor in their hearts, and when they hear His signs rehearsed, find their faith strengthened, and put (all) their trust in their Lord;
how in the world does this prove your argument? In fact, they are reciting the Signs of Allah, the 99 names.
What you're doing is haram. go somewhere else.
Tha0wn4g3 1 year ago
Before his death, Mevlana told his followers not to cry and mourn when he died; because for him, death was a "wedding day, a nuptial night." The day you get back to your origin, the day you are united with God. Thousands of tourists and pilgrims go to Konya every year to observe the Whirling Dervishes dance. Mevlevi disciples come from throughout Turkey to celebrate the wedding night of their founder
livinreflection 2 years ago
Mevlana's message of love, peace, brotherhood and unity with God appealed to the people of that strife-torn time. Nevertheless, the religiously conservative citizens objected to his use of stringed instruments, drums and reed flutes. This music accompanies whirling through which he and his disciples sought to align themselves with nature and thus with God. Mevlana insisted, however, that prayer has a motion.
livinreflection 2 years ago
His followers eventually developed the distinctive whirling movements of their unique prayer ritual.Symbolic movements and special clothing are all part of the Mevlevi ceremony.The dance,in three parts, represents the states of knowing God,seeing God, and uniting with God. Ecstacy and passion were hallmarks of Mevlana's thoughts of art.Mevlana brought mysticism to the excitement of poetic recitations,music and dance.He came to be revered by men of many faiths and symbolized the unity of mankind.
livinreflection 2 years ago
You should research Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi. After that you can understand.
SapikIsko 2 years ago
whirling is a substitute for kneeling when praying or connecting with the divine. It can be more effective than some modes of prayer because is causes a person to lose self-consciousness and to abandon themselves to their spiritual being through a rhythmic and trance-inducing dance
dko3374 2 years ago
Its the cannabis!
shaheedain 2 years ago
@dko3374 I admire your description. Blessings.........
Niamhdm7871 1 year ago
They are dancing around the centre of the human soul, the human heart, which is a mirror of God. The dance is a prayer and a meditation which aims to awaken to the divine centre.
SeekingLight1 2 years ago
Its Cannabis.
Cannabis makes sufis spin!
shaheedain 2 years ago
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they are amazing
neraidoftiagmeni 2 years ago
audhu billah!
Yahya11909 2 years ago
OOOOOOOOOOOOOH what for wonderful brides maschallah ^^
maroccina86 2 years ago
it is awesome
MrChaldeanPrince 2 years ago 2
how can they spin for that long?
MrChaldeanPrince 2 years ago
they go into a trance. they leave this physical world and go into the spiritiual
KingJooba 2 years ago 6
@KingJooba
No they do not leave this world, they go into an idiotic trance, thinking they are coming closer to God. A heightened emotional state does not mean you are getting closer to God. In fact worshipping God in ways that he has forbidden is illogical, and in any persons eyes, a clear innovation and punishable.
electrifrying 1 year ago
@electrifrying Let me ask you something: does the Quran tell us to get EXTREMELY close to God? No. Does that mean its forbidden? Exactly.
Wahhabi total fail.
Tha0wn4g3 1 year ago
@Tha0wn4g3
What?! you trying to say that dancing like a monkey means you are worshiping Allah?
electrifrying 1 year ago
@electrifrying You are so completely ignorant. Be more respectful. They are reciting Allah's names. Go get a life and stop acting like a monkey.
Tha0wn4g3 1 year ago
@electrifrying where has Allah prohibited any other practices?
Tha0wn4g3 1 year ago
@electrifrying your ignorance and prejudice is what is really punishable! Shut your stupid mouth and actually listen and learn to Sufi teachings actually are before you criticize it (same for any others)! Their spiritual trance meditating on love of the Divine and on human love and compassion is much better than your empty ritualistic materialist "Islam"! and Sufis don't use the word "God" to describe Allah, Allah is immaterial, he is beyond all material descriptions of perfection and greatness
BhattisexyJanan 11 months ago
@BhattisexyJanan @Tha0wn4g3
Wa sharrul Umoori Muhdathaatuhaa, Wa kulla Bid'atin dhaialah, wa kulla dhalatin fin-naar" Al-Hadith (Sahih Muslim). Translation of the above Hadith: Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance goes to Hell fire.
darklight254 11 months ago
@darklight254 "innovation" is anything made up that doesn't confer to the truth; this dance doesn't embody or represent anything against the truth; it is a great form of expression for the love of Allah; and the nature of Allah as pure love and energy. If you spent actual time to understand yourself and the relation of your spirituality to real life; to direct experience consisting of empirical, observable facts, you wouldn't misuses this Hadith to condemn things you don't understand!
BhattisexyJanan 11 months ago
@BhattisexyJanan
Allah has given us the way to worship him.
“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion” [5:3]
So whatever was not part of the religion of Islam at that point is not and never will be part of the religion of Islam today.
"it is a great form of expression for the love of Allah"
Why didn't the prophet sws dance like this?! OMG was he missing out on these blessings?! This expression of love???
darklight254 11 months ago
@darklight254 ny ways no use to discuss this if you want to insist that exactly following the prophet in every action is the way to live a right and enlightened life. The prophet (p.b.u.h) gave us basic guidelines in his teaching; it is up to us to apply them in ways that work best in the world. No teacher of truth would insist on followers to just follow them; he teaches them the truths of life and leaves them to apply them in the best way to benefit themselves and others.
BhattisexyJanan 11 months ago
@BhattisexyJanan
"nature of Allah as pure love and energy."
Of all the things in the above paragraph you said, it is this that constitutes the greatest sin/error/misguidance/deviance.
To say that Allah himself is love is an imitation of the Christian belief and not a correct Islamic one.
In Islam, Allah is the most loving - Al wadud, but not literally love, for love is a noun, and loving is an adjective.
You said Allah is energy. That is just WRONG.Allah is the creator of energy,not energy!
darklight254 11 months ago
@darklight254
as in Allah is not energy itself, but the creator of energy.
Let me explain further. To say that Allah is energy is tantamount to saying Allah is in our mitochondria. Allah is in every object above the ground (potential energy), Allah is everything that moves.
This is a great, a GRAVE misunderstanding. I advise you, a sincere advice: learn aqeedah (Allah's names, attributes, tawheed) from scratch. Start from the Quran, and read a reliable translation. Truth will be made clear.
darklight254 11 months ago
@darklight254 I've read all of that, I understand and speak Arabic, and the belief I mention is the only one that makes sense for me; if you relate the Qur'an to real observable, empirical facts of life. And if you looked properly at what I said: "The nature of Allah is pure love and energy" , that is Allah's nature not neccessarily what Allah is (Allah has no gender either). I just want to say that we'd all benefit more if we try to learn the truth ourselves instead of endlessly arguing text.
BhattisexyJanan 11 months ago
@BhattisexyJanan
But where do we get truth from? It is indeed possible to believe in God, his existence and him being a superior being without revelation, but when it comes to the finer details...we know nothing without the texts. Would we know about jannah, hell, the angels, the attributes of Allah, how to worship Allah, on what we will be judged, how we will be judged, what is inherently right...etc etc etc. without the texts?
darklight254 11 months ago
@darklight254 " Would we know about jannah, hell, the angels, the attributes of Allah, how to worship Allah, on what we will be judged, how we will be judged, what is inherently right...etc etc etc. without the texts?"
Islam is not a religion. Please don't insult Islam and say it is a religion. It's not. The Hadith are a religion. But not Islam. Not. No.
Tha0wn4g3 11 months ago
@Tha0wn4g3
Please forgive me. Yes you are right, "Islam is not a religion."
In fact, Islam is an entire way of life, a deen, a system, a theology, an economy, a political system, and a social system. The word "religion" does not do the comprehensiveness of Islam justice.
darklight254 11 months ago
@darklight254 Islam= submission to God. Qur'an= how to submit to God. Hadith= religion. That's how I see it
Tha0wn4g3 11 months ago
@Tha0wn4g3
Thanks for the clarification of your view.
Islam does indeed come from the word submission, but it is also the name of the religion.
Quran: how, why, to whom to submit.
Hadith: complement the Quran (e.g. teach the exact motions of prayer) In Quran: "obey Allah and obey the messenger"
darklight254 11 months ago
@darklight254 Muhammad judged by the Qur'an Alone. Look up "obey allah and his messenger free quran online" and click on the free-quran-online website article.
Tha0wn4g3 10 months ago
@Tha0wn4g3
I read it, the article has so many flaws, and quote you this simple hadith, which basically proves this idea of only following the Quran and sunnah is not that important:
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I do not want to see any one of you reclining on his couch and, when he hears of my instructions or prohibitions, saying ‘I don’t accept it; we didn’t find any such thing in the Book of Allaah.’” (Sunan al-Tirmidhi no. 2663)
darklight254 10 months ago
@darklight254 So you uphold the book of Tirmidhi above the Book of Allah?
Tha0wn4g3 10 months ago
@Tha0wn4g3
a. The Quran states to follow the messenger.
b. the book of tirmidhi, is a collection of the statements of the prophet sws.
Therefore, join the dots, and we must follow the messenger in his entirety.
The Quran states to pay zakah, but does not give the specifics. The Quran states to do salat so many times, but how do we know the order? The only way is the sunnah!
darklight254 10 months ago
@darklight254 read the article. The Messenger judged by the Qur'an.
"The Quran states to pay zakah, but does not give the specifics."
YES IT DOES. It says to pay on the "day of harvest".
You wonder how much we should give?
"And they will ask thee as to what they should spend (in charity). Say: "Whatever you can spare." (2:219)
Salat: prostration, no saying this, no saying that, no wagging your finger, JUST SIMPLE PROSTRATION!
Tha0wn4g3 10 months ago
@KingJooba ...hahah unfortunately all humans are bound to this world but i can agree their brains most certainly have left them
OneManWolfPak 1 year ago
@KingJooba You mean they intentionally cause a chemical imbalance by making themselves dizzy....
Aeythvaenn 11 months ago
MrChaldeanPrince
kind of They are not in there as a soul ;)
RainstRom1 2 years ago
u mean their souls arent in there bodies? btw i've seen them dancing infront of my eyes when i was in Turkey :)
MrChaldeanPrince 2 years ago
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berkowski4 2 years ago
It is beautiful, hypnotic. The music is otherworldy. I've watched Sufi dancers before on TV but never for long enough to feel the trancelike energy. I could listen to this forever.
jillgivler 2 years ago
one hand down and one hand up. is mean taking from god and giving people..
kanarya129 2 years ago 2
gosh, do they get extremely dizzy afterwards??
telecake 2 years ago
Someone knows something about the "trance" that the dancers enter in while doing this dance?
fiscornioman 2 years ago
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What's that stupid thinks ?
AbdurRauf82 2 years ago
soul of this dance long gone, only show off of lost tradition
hammadthegreat 2 years ago
I'm gonna hurl :-(
Eaulive 2 years ago
A performance, nothing more, It is the idea that has been forgotten.
guardianmoonwolf 2 years ago
It's something beyond a simple performance .
soheiljerusalem 2 years ago
This was done for tourists, there is no merit in it.
Check this out, and see the difference....
Islam in Chechnia { Qadiri Sufi Order of Chechenia }
guardianmoonwolf 2 years ago
On the authority of the Mother of the Faithful, Umm Abdullah, 'Aaishah, who said
that the Messenger of Allah, Salla Allahu Alayhi Wasallam, said:
"Whoever introduces into our matter (religion) that which is not a part of it, will
have it (his innovation) rejected."
Related by Al-Bukhari & Muslim
AbuMiikaal 2 years ago 2
this is a beautiful way to pray and celebrate the beauty of life. Whether or not it's in line with other religions is not important at all.
crowkangi 2 years ago
e muito lindo eu adoro isso,respeito muito e gosto mesmo,mas se fosse eu ja tinha vumitado tudo ainda mais bebendo ceva como eu bebo
jocafofocas 2 years ago
drummerlizard 3 years ago 3
next time i wana remember god i start spinning?
vvvTTTvvv00 3 years ago
I understand why some people are against sufism because no one in time of the prophet had ever done such thing like this. But here we should be tolerant toward sufism because sufis do this only for God and such dervhishes are muslims. So don't mark muslims who don't think like a vahhabi as godless please. It is not allowed in Islam to mark a muslim brother as godless or something else.
NurettinArmutcu 3 years ago 2
If you understand that no one in the time of the Prophet (sallahu alayhi wasalm) did it, then you should be speaking out against it. I know that they do this to please Allah, but Allah told us how to please Him and worship Him. People shouldn't make up things in the name of Islam.Also, Allah wouldn't be happy with this because people are disobeying His commands and worshipping Him how they see fit,instead of how Allah sees fit because at the end of the day we are trying to get into His paradise.
straightupp9 3 years ago 2
Why should we be tolerant towards people who are disobeying Allah? I'm not saying to hurt them but to not support them and to speak out against them. We can't let our desires get in the way of the truth. This will lead into people wanting to change the religion. The rules in Islam will and always has been the same. Also, I'm not saying that they are godless. I'm just saying that doing this act is disobeying Allah.
straightupp9 3 years ago
I'm not a muslim but it seems that Sufism is simply not authentic and has no back up from either Quran or Hadiths. I simply don't see anything muslim about them.
varaioun 2 years ago
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heero171 2 years ago 5
Did you read what I said? I said it does not have back up from Quran and Hadiths. I was talking about its relation to Islam. And I did read in Sufi poems in grade five or six.
varaioun 2 years ago 2
mmmmm....sufism is not a religion, get your facts right.
sufism started out as a way of clarifiying ones soul from bad habits to get a person closer to allah subhanahu wata3alla, as a way to balance the materialism that people got involved in during the time it started.
and it DIDNT involve all this dancing . the tariqqas at that time were all in harmony with the islamic principles
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aalami90 2 years ago 2
sufism is not a religion. Its a way of connecting to the Allah. Also you have to believe in Islam in order to become one.
psypsy11 2 years ago 2
@heero171 hey sufism is based on islam which represents love of god.
aborijinaslan 1 year ago
@heero171 "I am the servant of the Qur'an as long as I have life.
I am the dust on the path of Muhammad, the Chosen one.
If anyone quotes anything except this from my sayings,
I am quit of him and outraged by these words."
Dont get it twisted...Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi rahmatullah alai was a Muslim...and an Intoxicated Sufi who destroyed himself in the Love Of Allah which he recieved from the court of the final prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)...Sufism is not a religion.
MistaUzz 1 year ago
@heero171
why would you want to invent your own ways to worship God?
If God has given you commands to worship him in a particular way, and you start doing something else, then in the eyes of every rational sane human being, you are committing major sin, and God has every right to punish you on the Day of regret.
electrifrying 1 year ago
@heero171
My friend Sufism isnt a relion. It is Islamic philosophy.
tolgaoztemur 8 months ago
@tolgaoztemur True, but it's far more concerned with spiritual struggle rather than other Islamic schools of thought, which are bogged down in dogmatic, and rather oppressive values that punish and are afraid of open dialogue or change.
heero171 8 months ago
shut ur face straightupp9 u bloody wahhabi,its ur kind of going round blowing people up
northwestube 3 years ago
Firstly, I am not a wahhabi. Secondly, you can't label muslims unless they have said I am a sunni, shia.... Thirdly, "wahhabis" aren't even a sect. Fourthly, you need to read on your history of Muhammad ibn Wahhab. Lastly, what am I doing that is so wrong that it bothers you. I am just trying to spread the truth. Don't hate on me just because I'm giving facts. Also, look at the proof, I'm not just saying made up things.
straightupp9 3 years ago 3
are they(sufi whirling) is unlawful in islam?
please answer me A.S.A.P!!
IdkUrNamexx 3 years ago
Yes it's haram because it's not even part of Islam.The Prophet (salallhu alayhi wasalam) said that anything new that is added to this religion of ours will have it rejected.Allah says in the Quran what could be traslated as"This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have
chosen for you Islam as your religion."So to do this is claiming that Allah withheld something from the Prophet or that the Prophet withheld something from us.Which is wrong on both cases.
straightupp9 3 years ago 2
Those who do this crazy thing, they do nothing bu hate Islam, and I assure you they only make happy the western country. This is how west want to see you, dancing and betraying ResulAllah. They don't want you go out and oppose their ideas. So good job soofis, make happy shaytan and enemies of Islam
qemajl 3 years ago
They don't do this because they hate Islam.They do this because they think it will get the closer to Allah.Which is really sad because they are really showing their disobedience to Allah.They think they are right and we know that we are right and so Allah will Judge between us on the Day of Judgment.You know wat is scary?Standing in front of Allah on that day and finding out that your wrong and being punished for that, when we had clear proof. May Allah save us from the torment of the fire.Ameen
straightupp9 3 years ago
Everyone makes mistakes and it's what we do to correct it that counts. Whatever good that came from my postingsis only from Allah and whatever evil that came from it is from myself and the shaytan.
straightupp9 3 years ago
Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) on Allah command made his cousin Hazrat Ali the first Imam at Gadeer-e-Khum. Since then Imamat has been in the progeny of Muhammed to current Imam Shah Karim Aga Khan. This is the basis of Ismaili muslims. Itnashris and bohras share the same starting Imams as Ismalies and then they branch off.
Anyways, Sufi whirling is a form of meditation and form to show love and devotion for Allah.
Sikander23 3 years ago
The Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam)was preparing Abu Bakr (radiallahu anhu) to be the leader after him. And he fully said when the people wanted Umar (radiallahu anhu) to lead the prayers that Allah and His Messenger want Abu Bakr. If Ali (radiallahu anhu) was supposed to be the next leader then why didn't he fight it? If Allah intended Ali (radiallahu anhu) to be the leader then why would allow Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman (radiallahu anhuma) to be leaders before Ali (radiallahu anhu)?
straightupp9 3 years ago
The problem is the people who think that Ali (radiallahu anhu) was supposed to be the leader just because he's related to the Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam). They don't except that this is all by the Qadar of Allah. Sufi whirling is not a form of devotion but a form of disobedience to Allah. You guys don't take facts for what they really are. For example the hadith about sects. In the Quran it says many times "Obey Allah and Obey the Rasul", where does whirling come into this?
straightupp9 3 years ago
After Prophet Muhammad's death.
1st Abu Akbar-Prophets father in law
2nd Omar-Prophets Son in law
3rd Usman-murdered
4th Hazrat Ali-Prophets Son in law and Cousin
All Caliph except Hazrat Ali worshiped Idols once before becoming Muslim.
All Caliphs are from Quraish Tribe and All nominated by some well known people of the tribe.Caliphs took care of the political aspects of the kingdom.
Sikander23 3 years ago
1st Abu Bakr*
Sikander23 3 years ago
What is the point of this comment? So wat if Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman (radiallahu anhuma) worshipped idols? It would be pretty obvious that they did since Islam wasn't revealed then. When they all found out the truth they accepted Islam. Abu Bakr (radiallahu anhu) was the first man to accept Islam. Ali (radiallahu anhu) didn't worship idols because he was young and was living with the prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam) at a young age. So... wat is the point of this?
straightupp9 3 years ago
Caliphs were only political figures. From the event at Gadeer-e-khumb, Hazrat Ali became the first Imam. There came the first split within Islam of Shia's and Sunni's.
Imam's do not have to have political power. There were Imam's who were rulers during the Fatimid empire. The current Imam has no political power, but he is still invited by many countries officials to visit. Karim Aga Khan has done wonders in building a positive face of Islam in the world with so much ignorance about Islam.
Sikander23 3 years ago
Caliphas were not only political figures but were also the leaders of the Muslim ummah. I don't know what Gadeer-e-khumb is, so explain. Aga Khan is not showing a positive face of Islam upon the truth but upon falsehood. I don't know how people don't see the truth. It honestly is mind boggling to figure out why people take the word of the leaders over the words of the Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam).
straightupp9 3 years ago
You love and trust Ali (radiallahu anhu) right? You woulld take his word and follow him right? Then please bring me authentic proof from the history of Islam that says Ali (radiallahu anhu) did this and promoted this. You wont find any, just to let you know. Which would then make your claim of loving Ali (radiallahu anhu) false. Because if you truly loved Ali (radiallahu anhu) then you would be following in his footsteps and not doing what your doing.
straightupp9 3 years ago
Allah chose Prophet Muhammed(PBUH)to reveal Islam and then give a proper guide for the followers. At Gadeer-e-Khum, while the prophet and the followers were travelling, Allah asked the Prophet to start the Imamat through Hazrat Ali. A stage was made and the message of Allah revealed, The prophet said, "Who mowla I am, Ali is their mowla". More description on this event is in the the Holy Quran.
Sikander23 3 years ago
Where in the Quran does it say this? You got to give me the Surah and verse number/s.
straightupp9 3 years ago 2
I've been waiting two weeks, where is your proof in the Quaran about the whole Gadeer-e-Khum event. Unless it has been fabricated event.
straightupp9 3 years ago
Assalaam walekum. I made a mistake saying that the event is described in the Holy Quran. It is in the Hadith. If you have a copy please look into it. I do not have one but will try to get it. Let me know if you find it befor me. Thanks
Sikander23 3 years ago
What kind of hadith would it be? Is it an authentic or weak hadith. Is it in sahih bukhari, Muslim, Sunan ibn maja, Tirmidh,...
straightupp9 3 years ago
So for you is to observe my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly-principled and rightly-guided successors, holding on to them with your molar teeth. Beware of newly-introduced matters, for every innovation (bid'ah) is an error."
[Abu Dawud & Al-Tirmidhi, who says it is an authentic hadith]
None of the sahabahs or the rightly guided successors did this then why should we. There are other ways to show your devotion to Allah there is no need to add something new to the religion.
straightupp9 3 years ago
It was narrated on the authority of Abu Najih al-Irbad bin Sariyah, radiyallahu 'anhu, who said: The Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, delivered an admonition that made our hearts fearful and our eyes tearful. We said, "O Messenger of Allah, it is as if this were a farewell sermon, so advise us." He said, "I enjoin you to have Taqwa of Allah and that you listen and obey, even if a slave is made a ruler over you. He among you who lives long enough will see many differences.
straightupp9 3 years ago
"This whirling dance is an expression of thier devotion to Almighty Allah, and the expression vary by culture." You said your self that it varies by culture. This is not from the religion and thus be rejected. Allah says what could be translated as: "This day I have perfected your religion for you and completed My favour upon you and have chosen Islam as religion for you." (surah 5:3. Then do you claim that Allah or the Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam) with held something from us.
straightupp9 3 years ago
Forms of expression of love for Allah varies as in whirling, poetry, geets(many different tradition like ginans, naats, qawalis). My point is the as humans we have many forms with with we can thank Allah for his blessings. Praise of Allah is not restricted.
I respect your view as well. Our ways maybe different but the ultimate destination is Allah.
Sikander23 3 years ago
I agree there are different ways to show your love of Allah but all those different ways are in the Quran &Sunnah.If there are 73 sects in Islam and all are going to hell except one.The Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam) said the one that's saved are those who follow the Quran & sunnah and the rightly-guided successors then what would become of those who aren't following the Quran & Sunnah. Allah loves those who fast and offer optional prayers, I think we should try that before anything else.
straightupp9 3 years ago
Daily prayers are mandatory and so is fasting durign Ramadan. You are right that Quran and the rightly-guided successor should be followed. "Rightly-guided successor" decision has created so many sects within Islam. Saying all other sects except one is going to hell is wrong. I am Ismaili, I follow the Quranic Intepretations of Karim Aga Khan(49th heriditary Imam from Hazrat Ali(S.A.S)
Sikander23 3 years ago
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 171 Narrated byAbdullah ibn Amr: Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: There will befall my Ummah exactly (all those) evils which befell the people of Israil, so much so that if there was one amongst them who openly committed fornication with his mother there will be among my Ummah one who will do that, and if the people of Israil were fragmented into seventy-two sects my Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects. All of them will be in Hell Fire except one sect.
straightupp9 3 years ago
They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, which is that? Whereupon he said: It is one to which I and my companions belong.
This hadith isn't wrong. So inshallah you may want to try study islam again and ask Allah for sincere guidance. May Allah guide us all. Ameen
straightupp9 3 years ago
Sufis have had an important place in Muslim history. This whirling dance is an expression of thier devotion to Almighty Allah, and the expression vary by culture. It requires intense focus and love to be able to whirl for 5 minutes. Try it.
Sikander23 3 years ago
I have to go but will be back tonight to continue my reply.
straightupp9 3 years ago
SubhanAllah, this is crazy. I don't know where anybody gets this from. How could anybody call themself a Muslim and think that dancing will get them closer to Allah. Where in the Quran and Sunnah does it say this? Where in the history of Islam does any sahabah do this? If an Islamic ruler said to do this, I would think one would ask for proof from the Quran and Sunnah. People are obviously corrupted and may ALLAH guided them Inshallah. Ameen
straightupp9 3 years ago
You aren't learnt yet.
gmeet1 3 years ago
Why would I of all people not be "learnt". Just because I don't believe everything somebody tells me about the deen without proof doesn't mean I'm not learnt. I'm not a gullible person. Like how does dancing get you closer to Allah. Also, the Prophet(salallahu alayhi wasalam)said whoever adds anything to this deen will have it rejected (Bukhari and Muslim). So this hadith is clear and whoever rejects it is clearly on the wrong path. May Allah Guide us all. Ameen
straightupp9 3 years ago
The dictionary meaning of Sema is to hear in English. Our holly book Quran begins with the word read. When the reader is a kamil (mature, perfect) human resembling the ney(a reed flute especially played in Mevlevi music), who has abandoned all his desires and become the reflection of Allah (God) like a mirror as in Prophet Muhammad, the meaning of what is being read activates our spirits and the sound of it activates our body.
firstblade0001 3 years ago
Firstly, there is no musical instruments allowed in Islam except for the def. The first word in the Quran is not 'read'. That was the first word to be revealed. No body is perfect and can be the reflection of Allah. I think you got it mixed up with the 38 hadith of the 40 hadith nawawi where it states that one could do actions until I shall be his hearing with which he shall hear, his sight with which he shall see, his hands with which he shall hold, and his feet with which he shall walk.
straightupp9 3 years ago
one of the most beautiful acts done in the name of God, drives me to tears and I was raised a shia. No denying this is beauty and its intentions are pure. I approve :)
v12kid 3 years ago
This is incredible.
Denouncethemachine 3 years ago
Mashallah, beautiful Dervish Dance...
MoosaMontana 3 years ago
Absolute Beingness (God) has had -- and continues to have -- many messengers throughout the Universes and Dimensions... and will do so on the Earth until the last soul has ascended. Unconditional Love can do no other. If you don't believe me, just ask Him.
slooash 3 years ago