If anyone wants to know the truth about Mormon beliefs, they can go to Mormon [dot] org and read hundreds of profiles posted by Mormons themselves. I've got a profile there, explaining why I am a Mormon by choice, and not just because my parents were Mormon. I explain how I found out--through study and prayer--that my parents were right. Just enter the keywords "terry" and "omaha". Leave me a note there.
@JediLDS I would recommend you check into the Pharisees of the Bible, they also were born into thier possitions mostly but choose to stay. They were very much by the Book when it came to the Bible or at least the Old Testament. They followed all the commandments to a tee (or thought so) and held themselves above everyone even the Sadducees who were of a higher wealth status. Then look at what the LDS say and do and be honest with yourself. I already know.
@Exodus314IAM I already know what the Pharisees did. They sought out Jesus and tried to trick him with their questions. They were obsessed with him, much like you anti-Mormonism folks seem obsessed with the Mormon church. I never seek out another religion for the purpose of dissing their beliefs. You folks do, hiding it under the guise of defending the faith or claiming it's because you love the Mormon people or some such bologna. This "in your face" type of Christianity is not Biblical.
@cont) Now, there's nothing wrong with a nice, polite discussion of beliefs, IF it remained polite. Sooner or later though, you folks become frustrated because LDS aren't heeding your "warnings" (or whatever you think they are), then it's "All Mormons are going to hell!" and other silly things you don't have the authority from God to pronounce on the LDS church and it's people.
@JediLDS I love it when Jesus puts people in their place, Luke 18:9-14. The LDS saying I am glad I am not like the "christian" saying "I pay tithes of all that I get". All I have to say is thank god I am like the tax collector, "beating my breast" saying, God be merciful to me a sinner! I just hope you can seek the truth one day my friend and realize religion has nothing to do with being a true Chrsitian!
@Exodus314IAM If religion has nothing to do with being a true Christian, then you have to accept that it's not just Christians who can perform good works. Mormons can do good works (remember now, that is has nothing to do with religion). And I've never heard any Mormon state what you claimed about "I'm glad I'm not like the Christian". I've certainly never said it, or even thought it. I've known many good Christian, and even have good friends who are Christian.
@JediLDS You have said "good" a lot but good acording to who? us humans who are none good according to God (Mark 10:18)? This verse also shows how Jesus was claiming to be God also, just a side note. According to your standards here I also know a lot of good Mormons, does that mean they are saved?? I wish I could say yes, but Gods word says that does not look so. They follow false gods and have a false Jesus sorry to say! but according to mans standards I would call them good.
How do you know that eternal marriage was not known and taught? It's existence is not obvious in the current canon of books that were written and preserved, but there are evidences from early Christian sources that eternal marriage was known. See Mormonism and Early Christianity, an excellent site by Barry Bickmore, for more information.
But that doesn't mean that these concepts were not taught clearly by the Lord. Christ taught his apostles for 40 days after His resurrection, and we hardly have a word recorded of what He taught. John says his record just scratches the surface of all that Christ did and taught (John 21:25). And we have abundant evidence that there were books of scripture treasured by the ancients that are no longer available ).
But that doesn't mean that these concepts were not taught clearly by the Lord. Christ taught his apostles for 40 days after His resurrection, and we hardly have a word recorded of what He taught. John says his record just scratches the surface of all that Christ did and taught (John 21:25). And we have abundant evidence that there were books of scripture treasured by the ancients that are no longer available. How do you know that eternal marriage was not known and taught?
And of marriage, Christ said "What God hath joined together, let not man put asunder" (Matt. 19:6). Also, in the Lord (possibly meaning in heaven or in the eternities), the man is not without the woman and vice versa, according to 1 Cor. 11:11.The Bible is admittedly incomplete in its teachings of eternal marriage, as it is for many doctrines and practices had by early Christians, including baptism for the dead (1 Cor. 15:29)
The implication is that he still had the original children, consistent with the LDS view that families can be eternal.
2 Pet. 3:7 hints at eternal marriage, when Peter speaks of the man and woman being "heirs together" of the grace of life. Another suggestion of eternal marriage comes from the word of Christ about the sealing power he gave to Peter (Matt. 16:19 and Matt. 18:18): whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound (sealed) in heaven.
There are indications of eternal marriage and eternal families in the Bible. One of the earliest comes from Job. At the end, Job is blessed with double of all the things he had lost (Job 42:10,12). We are then given a lost of these things, and indeed we see that he was blessed with double the number of sheep, camels, oxen, and asses. But "he had also seven sons and three daughters" (Job 42:13), the same number be had before his trial (Job 1:2).
@lilbeaveymac ...Because most "Christians" I know don't believe in marriage for eternity. You die, and that's it. You'll never see your wife again--or your family either. I had one self-proclaimed born-again Christian tell my that we won't even recognize people we knew on earth. I refuse to accept messed-up beliefs like that.
@JediLDS You are right. It has got to be tough to give up the foolish belief that you will be doing numerous cuties for eternity making spiritual babies. Thank you God for giving me all these women to make love to for eternity because I am much more righteous than non mormons. keep on believing man!! You and warren Jeffs who is in prison for the rest of his life believe the same thing.
@Gods1truechurchmyass ... The only "tough" thing for me is reading through all the bologna you anti-Mormonism types claim is Mormon doctrine. And just for your information? Your entire post is wrong. Now I'm trying to figure out if you are really that uninformed, or if you are just someone who's trying to get a rise out of me just for fun. Kindly inform me which it is.
Mormon dot org for the straight of what we believe.
@JediLDS Well maybe a little of both. I will not believe what Mormon.org, missionaries or Apologists say is Mormon doctrine because I only believe what Mormon Prophets say the church believes in. If any of the other sources say something that is proven wrong tomorrow Mormons will simply say that was never official church doctrine. Having said that. everything said in my last post has been said by prophets of the LDS church. If you can prove me wrong by quoting other prophets I will listen.
@Gods1truechurchmyass ...the main problem with that approach is that you anti-Mormonism types get your "quotes" from sources like the Journal of Discourses, which is not official LDS doctrine and never will be. You folks are as bad about cherry-picking as you accuse LDS of being. You completely ignore the two main principles of LDS doctrine: 1) the current prophet's words take precedence over that of former prophets, and 2) LDS church has a right to determine what its own doctrine is.
@JediLDS Aw the fourteen fundamentals. This gave the current prophet the ability to say anything and no one can question him. because a living prophet can negate any predecessor prophet, or the scriptures for that matter. The 14 fundamentals of the church took away from all members the ability to independently verify if what the LDS prophet was actually saying was true. Members need a way to independently verify what the Mormon prophet is saying because of all the errant prophecies of the past.
@JediLDS In addition, Journal of Discourses in my mind are comparable to Conference Talks today. If they are not doctrine, then why listen to conference? It is not official doctrine. Like I mentioned I will only listen to what your prophets have said is doctrine. I know that is real Mormonism. I know your current prophet does not even prophecy, he just tells silly stories in conference, so I assume he has not really even talked to God and just tries to fill time at these conferences.
@Gods1truechurchmyass ... In your mind? No slam on you, but why should I take advise from someone who is not LDS and who does not believe that LDS even have prophets? You state that "I will only listen to what your prophets have said is doctrine". That's a bit hypocritical, don't you think? You anti-Mormonism folks really amuse me--pretending to know more about what constitutes LDS doctrine than someone who has been LDS all his life, and probably for longer than you've been alive.
@cont) But, that's okay. You have every right to be wrong about LDS beliefs/doctrine, and I respect that right. However, it wouldn't hurt for you to educate yourself on exactly what constitutes LDS doctrine and how something becomes doctrine to begin with. If you did that, you'd be smarter than 99% of most anti-Mormonism types who pretend to know what they are talking about.
Mormon dot org is an official web site of the LDS church. Enter "Omaha" and "Terry" in the search box to see my profile.
@JediLDS I do not want you to take my word for anything, so please research things for yourself. If you are happy in the church stay there. The reason I select the prophets to tell us what LDS doctrine really is, is that is the only person the LDS church says is able to receive revelation for the church. But yes, I am positive that the LDS prophets have had no ability to discern what God desires of us than any other. Based on what they have prophesied, that I can clearly discern is not from God.
@Gods1truechurchmyass I've done extensive search in the past, mostly on claims that you anti-Mormonism types make about the church, and in particular, what early church authorities have supposedly said. My problem--and it's not one that had it not occurred would have convinced me to leave the church--is that EVERY true anti-Mormon I've conversed with, except one, has either admitted to lying about LDS beliefs/doctrine, or has refused to answer my question about it. (cont)
@cont) ... They claim that their lies are justified (several have told me this) if the lies convince someone to leave the church. Which leads to the question of why I should take the advice of a known liar, especially one who had professed early on in the discussion to be born again? The other big problem is that most of them have refused to engage in a polite discussion about Jesus Christ, when I invited them to. This attitude has always baffled me.
@JediLDS Liar, you know what Bring em young said. He was a racist and so is your church. Utah is becoming less and less mormon every year as is the whole world lol Your silly 14 million number includes people like my best friend and my brother and sister who have had nothing to do with the church in years. There is in reality only about 5 million active mormons and decreasing because of this wonderful tool, the internet
I'm going to excuse you on the racist charge. You obviously don't know what you are talking about. As far as your family, if they chose to leave the church, that's their business. I'm certainly not concerned. As for your other 'facts', that's a matter of opinion.
@JediLDS Talking about god commanding the whites never to inter marry with blacks or else death is not racist? He was a racist little bitch and he was the one who started the law of banning blacks from the priesthood. Joseph let them.
@JediLDS Okay, were done. You are calling me, Bill Erskine in the video; and everyone on this board that is talking against the church, a liar. You are completely indoctrinated. I feel very sorry for you. I left the church 3Mo. ago after researching thoroughly and discussing with my Bishop. Its crazy what the LDS have omitted about its history. The Church must teach about all these fits of history in church to refute & why they happened or there will be many more disillusioned with the omission.
@Gods1truechurchmyass "You are calling me, Bill Erskine in the video; and everyone on this board that is talking against the church, a liar."
Not liars, just deceived. You folks really act like I'm a threat to your salvation, or something. If the Mormon church bothers you so much, why don't you just walk away? Find another hobby in place of obsessing over the Mormons to engage in. However, I know you won't do that, so as long as you continue doing what you do, I'll continue doing what I do.
@JediLDS Ya right. The church lied by omission to me and did not tell me that Joseph Smith married already married women and translated the BOM the same way he defrauded people out of money telling them he could find treasure for them for a price. etc etc The church deserves all the criticism it gets. I will not leave the church alone until I feel I have warned enough people because they have lied to me and I want warn as many people as possible that the Mormon church is built on deception.
@Gods1truechurchmyass says: " I will not leave the church alone until I feel I have warned enough people..."
Your business.
Joseph Smith never promised any one that he could find treasure for them for a price. You've allowed yourself to get sucked in by some anti-Mormon website or book or where ever you got that information from.
@JediLDS Okay, you tell me then why JS was convicted for "glass looking." what is your interpretation? Do you deny that JS did it completely? Or do you believe "glass looking" that JS was convicted of is not my definition of JS charging people money saying he could find hidden treasures for them by looking through a "seer stone". Enlighten us please.
@JediLDS I see, so are completely denying it? or are you playing with words with me? Are you saying Joseph Smith was never in court for accused glass looking? Are you saying he was arrested and tried for glass looking but was not convicted? Or are you saying there is no proof that he was convicted. what is it?
@Gods1truechurchmyass ... What part of "Joseph Smith was never convicted of anything" did you not understand? Sure, he was hauled into court many times on phony charges. None of those charges ever stuck, however, because they were simply not true. Clear enough for you?
@JediLDS So you are saying that the glove did not fit? but that does not mean he did not do it. but this has nothing to do with our salvation so I will leave this as what it is. He said she said and that all we can get out of it.
The bottom line is who is your "prophet" is it Joseph Smith who has a ? background in deception? or is it Jesus Christ was a perfect sacrifice for us all?
@JediLDS Thats what I thought. You are just like the rest of church leadership. You tell half truths.JS was a man whore, criminal and a pedophile and the the prophets of the LDS church do not talk to God. If there is a hell you and your "prophets" will all go there for your deception and leading people astray. No leader in the church is willing to tell the truth. The truth that JS was killed for his crimes of destroying a printing press, poking 14 year olds, deceiving others out of their money.
@JediLDS You are 100% correct JS was not "convicted" but he was arrested for it and put in jail before he translated the BOM the same way? any red flags? seek the truth!
@JediLDS I like your style. Just a note to you, these trivial changes in the text would be done under direction of apostles. Its trivial because to me, the content is the same. The father is the sun, the sun is the father..I feel I do understand it in whole. Also, after 30 or 40 years active and in numerous positions of authority there would be many life changing experiences to confirm what your doing is real and right..How are those ignored and forgotten so quickly?
@JediLDS I was not pointing out that he was arrested and let go but that before he translated the gold plates with the stones the same way he was finding hidden treasure and was arested for tricking people. Funny thing is this is the same way he translated the BOM and tricked how many people in Mormonism?? the number is growing sorry to say and you say "no red flags"? Satan has a strong grip on these poor lost people!
@JediLDS really? tell me why JS married already married women; ordered the destruction of a printing press saying bad things about him; married underage women at age 38: translated the BOM with a peep stone; lied to Emma about his ceilings; why JS drank wine the day he died; got married to 14 year old girls promising salvation to their families. BY married already married women; said interracial couples should be put to death; why did Js say the BOM was the most perfect book & then 3500 changes?
@JediLDS Why did the church lie about how much money they spent to fight prop 8? only to be fined by the government. Why didn't God tell Monson that it was useless to fight against Prop 8 because it would be overturned in court and the LDS time and money would be better spent for the poor or other humanitarian causes?
@JediLDS Why is the church losing members in record numbers? Why is there not any proof of the historicity of the BOM? Why are American Indians from Asia when the BOM says they are from Israel? Why does BOM God say he changes color of peoples skin based on righteousness? It is complete Garbage. Why was God discriminatory to Blacks so they could not hold the priesthood? finally why would God have so many crazy rules to make it so difficult for us to discern if it is Gods true church? Garbage!
@JediLDS Funny you point out the glass looking as the bad part but forgot the fact he married how many other women some as young as 16? any red flags here?
@JediLDS If you are going to discredit all the other writings then where in the Bible or Book of Mormon do we find eternal marriage, any of the temple rituals, etc? oh wait they are only in the other writings...and you say people "cherry-pick"? Mormons are the biggest cherry-pickers of them all!
“I think we may accept it as a rule that whenever a person’s religious conversation dwells chiefly, or even frequently, on faults of other people’s religions, he is in a bad condition.” –C.S. Lewis, Collected Letters Vol. 3 p. 209
"My experience has been that most TRUE anti-Mormons are not really concerned with the state of a Mormon's salvation. What they take more delight in is the thrill of contention when debating a Mormon." --JediLDS (aka JediMormon, aka MormonSmurf)
He asked god to forgive them cause they don't know what they're doing...that you bro...if you can only listen to yourself..all you do and say..is hate...lol..sorry you feel that way...
Read Mormon 8:12 brother Earl Erskine (p481). Even the VERY Elect of God will be deceived at the last days. Regardless, God loves you and he recognizes that others and more will fall away. It's NOT new to those who would follow the Savior.
@drmacavinta Read Matthew 24 verse 24 "For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." My friend, YOU ARE THE VERY ELECT THAT HAS BEEN DECEIVED. You have been deceived by false prophets who have given false prophecies of racism, adultery, and pagan temple rituals. I can name many false prophecies that have never come to pass from your false prophets. Pray about it!
No other Faith believes of the GODHEAD than of the LDS Church...everybody else are dived into the same lie that came out of Nicaea which changed the shape & form of God forever. Trinitarians won't understand which member of the Godhead the BOM is talking about unless we explain...'cause to a typical Christian the Father, Son & H/Ghost mean one individual instead of three. The BOM is just fine. This person joined the Church with his own agendas on the side.
WOW!!! What incredible courage and integrity! I am sorry for the immense pain you must be experiencing from the treatment of your family. I do not understand people not wanting to know "truth", no matter what it now leads one to give up. What could be more important than "truth" especially when it comes to the facts concerning our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! I pray your family comes to understand they are the deceived. You're leading them home!.Our God is smiling. Blessings on you Sir!
Uhh..did he say "Christin God?"!??!?! Ha, there is only One. He is God of all of us. He came to Earth in the form of his Son, Jesus Christ and sent a Helper..aka..Holy Spirit.
If the angle “moroni” gave the golden plates to Joseph Smith, how come we don’t call it “moronism”. With that being said, he, Romney and Beck would be considered morons. Come on. Joseph Smith made this garbage up. How about this, if we not gonna call mormons,
BTW, anybody that replies to this message stating that “moronism..aka mormonism” is a christian denomination is a tard. Adding to the Word is not allowed people. And the Kolob thing. Oh, and how about this (God ain’t gonna appreciate it): “As man is, god once was; as god is, man may become.” Uh, that is crap.
Read the Bible please. Geeze, if you too lazy to do that, just Google it.
@jreedjr John the Revelator's admonition in the book of Revelation not to add to or take away from, is meant for the book of Revelation only. John was warning those who read or copied his writings, not to mess with them. Do your research. Even theological seminary grads know this. The Book of Mormon does not add to or take away from the Bible, as it is a separate work telling the history of a group who lived in the Americas before and after the time of Christ.
@JediLDS Point taken, so why did Joseph Smith change and add and take away words to the book of revelation then in the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible?
@twoclose2call Because the book of Revelation, as it appears now in the Bible, is not the the original writing as it came from John the Revelator's pen. JS treated it just like the rest of the Bible. And while we're on the subject, how about the other versions of the Bible that are out there today? Which version of the book of Revelation is the correct one? If the Bible is perfect, as some claim, modernizing it by updating the language would only render it imperfect, wouldn't it?
@JediLDS Some day you should try reading some of those "other versions of the Bible". Mormonism makes most Mormons ignorant enough about the Bible that they assume other translations of the Bible R like totally different books, which is not at all the case. I have read the KJV, NKJV, NIV, NASB, Young's Literal Translation,
The Message Bible etc. They all agree Jesus is the only God & Savior that exists Isaiah 43:10,11. That every knee in heaven & earth will bow 2 Him Philippians 2:5-11
@1stcorinthians1vrs18 You miss my point, which was, some folks claim that the Bible is perfect. My question was, which version? If the KJV is perfect, then why the need for the other versions? Also to consider is the foreign translations. Do they say the exact same thing as the English KJV version only in the languages they were translated into?
@JediLDS Every decent translation of the Bible is perfect enough 2 teach us extremely accurately exactly what God said 2 us in the original languages of the Bible. It has not been corrupted as Mormonism teaches & as the serpent taught in Genesis chapter 3. The better questions would B: Why has nobody ever found such a thing as a writing in reformed egyptian? Why R there thousands of changes in the current BOM from the original? Why is there no archaeological or other evidence 4 the BOM?
@JediLDS this is where we disagree.I believe that JS had no ability to accurately translate any foreign language, proven by his false translations, ie Kinderhook and the Book of Abraham. So, any adds or subtractions he made from Revelations in the JST of the Bible were false and did put him under the curse. I agree with 1stcorinthians1vrs18. Just because there are different translations of the Bible does not mean the underlying meaning totally changes. Most versions I have read are very similar.
@twoclose2call ... Concerning the Kinderhook plates: I did some extensive research on them several years ago, and found that Joseph Smith never expressed much interest in them, only mentioning them once in his journal. What really made me suspicious was the initial act of digging up the plates. Several men had invited two Mormon males over to witness the digging. My question was: why do that unless you know ahead of time what you're going to find? That alone had "setup" written all over it.
@jreedjr if you are sincere about reaching mormons and providing them with the truth, you should reach out in love and facts; not with brutal, bullyish emotional appeals. What do you expect to have happen by referring to intelligent but misled people as "morons"? Their mind, perhaps opened somewhat by Bishop Earl's comments, will snap shut.
@RecoAlco Maybe you are rigth..maybe not. Those were facts. Besides, I'm saved and I speak from my heart (love). Jesus is fully aware of my intentions and style. I'm not in the habit of hitting people over the head with the Bible; however, I am in the business of facts and I'm to the point.
I don't care much for sugar coatings. Jesus was pretty specific. I was being specific.
@jreedjr claims: "I'm saved and I speak from my heart (love)."
Calling someone a "tard" or a "moron" is showing love? (Or do you automatically assume that all LDS are morons and tards?)
That's not love. That's just plain ignorant. Jesus never dissed anyone's beliefs (except for those like the Pharisees who deliberately sought him out for the purpose of trying to trick him with their questions). Jesus was all about "this is what I have to offer". So far, we're not seeing much of that from you.
@Jobyluv wow, you are casting dispersions and judging a man you have never met... and then you finish up by throwing in a homosexual slur? A little self-reflection, please!
sounds like satan can tempt even the most rightous followers of God. But one thing is for sure. This brother has found nothing of Christ since his deception was complete. The man that was once him is gone. And comming back to the light side of the force is next to impossilbe.
I like how you say "light side of the force". Mormonism should be taken just as seriously as Star Wars--although I have to say Star Wars movies are a lot more entertaining than the LDS scriptures.
@iqlusionblogspot No star wars pun intended. There is a light and a dark side to everything in this world. Its easy to see what side a person is on. It shows in what a person does. And either way you go the more consumeing it becomes the further you go with it? Just dont go to far unless your willing to fully accept the results.
@mikemarco76 The only person that would say something bad about this Bishop is someone who has a motive to make him look bad. God is taking good care of him. Light included.
Our enemies have never done anything that has injured this work of God, and they never will. I look around, I read, I reflect, and I ask the question, Where are the men of influence, of power and prestige, who have worked against the Latter-day Saints? Where are there people to do them honor? They can not be found.
Where are the men who have assailed this work? Where is their influence? They have faded away like dew before the sun. We need have no fears, we Latter-day Saints. God will continue to sustain this work; He will sustain the right. If we are loyal, if we are true, if we are worthy of this Gospel, of which God has given us a testimony, there is no danger that the world can ever injure us. We can never be injured . . . by any mortals, except ourselves. :)
Hi, Earl, your old friend Craig Leavitt here. I don't know what you mean by Christianity being the place to find Christ, because it is the most unreliable and unstable of all religions in the world. The Bible is imperfect. Your friend Shawn is a fraud. I'm in favor of you doing whatever you and yours want to do, but this Christianty you have espoused in hogwash
@Craig2344 show me a specific example of how you think the Bible is imperfect, and I will show you a wealth of scholarly information, a variety of opinions, and some context that will help you understand how and why it actually truly works.
On the other hand, the book of mormon was not translated so much as dictated by a man staring into a hat; it has been changed 4,000+ times and is not reinforced by any geographical, historical, or linguistic fact.
@JediLDS just because Christians believe that marriage does not exist in the afterlife (based directly on the words of Christ, Himself), doesn't mean that they think they'll be separated from their families for all eternity. God loves us and I think its only fair to give Him the benefit of the doubt and say that if you go to Heaven it's going to be pretty sweet.
@RecoAlco I've had many Christians tell me that they don't believe that they will be their family in heaven. Others have stated that they don't know. Some have claimed that we won't even recognize anyone. And, by the way, Jesus never said that there wouldn't be married couples in heaven, just that there would be no marriages performed in heaven. Thus, the LDS belief of proxy marriages for those who have passed on.
@JediLDS You do not have to get washed & anointed & sealed to your family in a Mormon temple to be with your family in heaven. You do not have to know secret handshakes to get into heaven. that is complete foolishness. Do you really think that God would not let you into heaven because you did not know the handshakes? Mormonism is man made and completely foolish. It does not matter what any christians told you in the past. They were not prophets were they? All LDS temple rituals are from man.
@JediLDS Please enlighten me then. Make sure though it is official church doctrine from your prophets and not BYU apologetic conjectures. They have no bearing on church doctrine. Also, don't try to enlighten me with half truths like the church depicting Joseph Smith as a non polygamist in all of the Church published pictures and videos made in the past 20 years. I want all of the truth.
@Gods1truechurchmyass You want all the truth? Read the Book of Mormon--cover to cover-- and pray about it. If you are genuinely sincere and open-minded, the truth will be given to you by the power of the Holy Ghost. That's what happened to me.
However, I'd guess that you don't really want "all the truth". What you want is more fodder with which to diss the LDS church.
@JediLDS I have read the BOM cover to cover, many times. If one wanted to know if Nazism was true would they only read Hitler's book Mein Kampf? No, they would also read what the critics of Nazism also say. Then If they after hearing all the facts, still wanted to believe in Nazism, fine. That is why I am happy for you. You know all the garbage of the church & still believe. Good for you! Tell everyone else the whole truth, too & if they want to join the church, I will also be happy for them.
@Gods1truechurchmyass "You know all the garbage of the church & still believe." Actually, the fact is that I know all the garbage of the anti-Mormons & still believe. But...call it what you like, you've yet to provide proof that tops a witness from the Holy Ghost. Moroni's promise works.
@JediLDS I have tried Moroni's Promise on many things not just whether the BOM was true. I prayed sincerely if the girl I was dating just before my mission was to be my wife. I received what I believed at the time to be a strong personal witness from God that I was, after my mission she was already married. This is just one of many examples. Also what about Muslims who get a personal witness that there church is God's only true church. Those witnesses you call them can be deceptive.
@JediLDS once again complete garbage. There are many that died as infants. You are basically saying everyone else can have spouses in heaven but not if they died as infants you can only be an angel. once again foolishness, since no infants have proxy marriages in Mormon temples. complete foolishness.
@JediLDS My Marklars are wise and true: You really need to read Section 132 again: Verse 15. I guess that it's doctrine, but where doctrine conflicts with modern revelation, revelation trumps doctrine, unless there is more recent revelation, then that revelation trumps the former revelation.
@JediLDS Many Christians believe that families will be together forever. I have heard this consistently from Christian religions that they will meet loved ones again in heaven. I suppose it depends on what your definition of families being together. Christians don't believe in the Mormon view that they will be having sex and producing spirit babies with many wives and becoming Gods of their own worlds like Mormons believe.
@twoclose2call If you believe that families can be together in heaven, then you must also believe in marriage for eternity. And I've met many "Christians" who don't believe that families are forever. Some have even told me that when we get to heaven, we won't even recognize them.
@JediLDS Why do you have to be married to be with someone in heaven? Marriage is just a ceremony. Do you think that no one would be able to see any of their friends and family for the rest of eternity if they are not married? It does not make sense. Marriage is just a ritual.
@twoclose2call My point was that I don't think you have to be married to see them, but I've talked to Christians who don't believe they'll see loved ones again. There seems to be a great difference of opinion of the in the Christian world.
OH my goodness. The Bible has been changed over hundreds of years. Are you now going to make a video that you are no longer a Christian because of that. Hello, knock, knock?!
ask in faith, you also have to be humble. If an atheist prayed to know if God exist the whole time believing he doesn't and that he wasn't going to get an answer or with contempt in his heart for the very thing he is inquiring about he would not recieve the answer that God does live. Does that mean God doesn't exist? Yes, there are certain things required to get an answer like faith, humility, willingness to hearken, an open mind, etc.
It does not matter whether the church grows or not that does not have any bearing on it's truthfulness. There were only a few who believed in God and followed him at the time of Noah. It does not matter if there is tangible evidence for the BOM, God's truth is not based on tangible evidence. I am puzzled as to how asking God if something is true (Moroni 10:4) is "turning your brain off" God is the only one who can tell you if something is of him or not. And as it states in James 1:5 you must
@love1another777 James 1:5 says "if you lack wisdom" not 'if you lack knowledge". Why should i pray about something if God has already spoken out on the subject? why should I pray to see if it is true? The test for the Book of Mormon is to compare it's teachings with that of the Bible. And if they don't add up and they don't on certain things), then you don't have to pray about it.This passage is in the context of coping with trials and is written to Christians. Be a Berean (Acts 17:11)
@PrimitiveCollecter Why should you pray about something if God has already spoken? for conviction and conversion of course. God has spoken, yet all who read the bible interpret what God said differently so how can you not go to the source for clarification? The way to know if something is from God is to ask God or to prove the word.
Having studied the BOM and Bible I can say they do not contradict on any point.
@love1another777 Praying about something which God has already spoken against is testing God, not testing the truth. Matt. 4:7 Deut.6:16. First see if God has spoken out about it from His word before you pray if you don't you would be setting yourself up for other forces. (1Tim.4:1) The test for the BofM is to compare it's teachings with that of the Bible. The King James Translators Notes definition- tempt: or,try,or,put to trial, or, PROOF -
@PrimitiveCollecter .... the problem with comparing the BofM with the Bible is that whatever conclusions one comes to are nothing more than personal opinion. You seem to be telling love1another777 that is wrong to pray to God about certain things, or that it is wrong to go to Him with questions you have whose outcome may affect the rest of your life. I have found nothing in the Bible were Jesus said not to pray. Indeed, Jesus encourages us to pray always. Proverbs 3:5-6 applies here nicely.
@cont... "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5-6 Lean NOT unto thine own understanding. That's just what would be happening if someone were to shove God aside and decide that they can determine better than Him if the Book of Mormon is true or not. Once a person has a witness from the HG as to the truthfulness of the BofM, that's it. End of story. No other proof is needed.
@akg771959 Ezekiel 37:16-17. I probably should have made myself more clear. Mormons do believe that Ezekiel makes reference to another book that would come forth in the latter days, what LDS believe is the Book of Mormon. What I meant was that the term "Book of Mormon" does not appear anywhere in the Bible. Sorry for the confusion.
@JediLDS Ok..glad we have established that. Now read Levitcus 19:31 and 20:6, Deuteronomy18:10-12, II Kings 23:24, I Chronicles 10:13 and II Chronicles 33:6. What do these passages tell us?
@akg771959 So do "familiar (evil)spirits" have to do with a witness from the Holy Ghost? Are you trying to equate the Holy Ghost to an evil spirit? The Holy Ghost is mentioned 89 times in the Bible, and is a member of the Godhead with Jesus Christ and His Father.
@JediLDS No. The Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost) is of God. Familiar spirits are of satan. As you can see, through scripture, we have a clear warning to have no reguard for familiar spirits...we are to turn from them. Familiar spirits are part of occult worship.
@JediLDS Jedi, I am not on here to bash you or condemn you. It is only my intention to share truth in love. If you believe you know truth it is not my place to try to change that. Ultimately, it is the Holy Spirit that convicts the heart by hearing and reading God's Word. Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
@akg771959 "It is only my intention to share truth in love." As is my intent. I do fully believe Romans 10:17, by the way. Contrary to what most anti-Mormonism types I've had discussions with, LDS do consider the Bible to be a big part of our religion.
@JediLDS But It is still "your understanding" that you are communicating with the Holy Ghost. You are leaning on your own understanding. There are several different mormon groups who are "trusting the Lord" with all their heart and they have different scriptures, beliefs, prophets etc. Furthermore, regarding the phrase "shove God aside and decide that they can determine better than Him if the Book of Mormon is true or not." Since it is false, isn't this exactly what the mormons have done??
That's an assumption on your part. No slam on you, but you obviously have never had the experience of a witness from the Holy Ghost. Otherwise, you would know what I'm talking about. The Holy Ghost leaves NO DOUBT who his witness is originating from. When it comes, it's very powerful.
@JediLDS I remember reading about a woman going through the temple. It was not a good experience for her. She said she felt the "Holy Ghost" telling her to LEAVE mormonism, as is common with those who do leave. Mainstream Christian groups claim to be guided by H.G. too. Why, therefore, should the LDS experience of the "Holy Ghost" prove anything more than other groups' experience of it?
@bossendenwoodconvict I can't pretend to speak for others. I will say however that the Holy Ghost is not going to tell anyone to leave. "Common with those who leave the church?" I disagree. Most former LDS I've whose experiences I've read/heard, have left because they studied the early history of the church and claimed to have discovered that they had been lied to. Seriously, yours is the first claim I've heard of the HG supposedly telling someone to leave. I doubt that it's all that common.
@JediLDS Today I saw an edition of the programme "Polygamy What Love is This" in which a doubting mormon prayed specifically to know if temples were still part of God's plan. She apparently heard him say "NO." Maybe it wasn't the H.G part of the Godhead speaking, but it's another example of someone claiming God spoke to them. If the average person is confronted with two people claiming God/HG has spoken, but saying different things, what are they to do? Look at the evidence of course.
@JediLDS Not true. The Father of Lies is extremely deceptive--many people I know feel the "spirit" in Multi-level marketing presentations that end up bleeding them dry. Emotions can be manipulated. This is why God has given us tools to determine the truth: the Bible (and specifically the words of Jesus), and discerning minds that can examine facts in order to separate truth from fiction, should the individual care to do the work.
@JediLDS It's only God opinon we want. Only His matters. We are told we need to examine the Scriptures (Acts 17:11) That is what we must do if we want to be true to God. We are not to pray about something that God has already spoken out on the subject. Because that would be putting God to the test. Math.4:7 Deut.6:16. Wesley's Notes definition: By requiring further evidence of what He hath already made sufficiently plain. Witness from the hg is not from the Real Holy Ghost (1Tim4:1)
"We are not to pray about something that God has already spoken out on the subject."? Acts has nothing to do with praying about the truth of something. Neither does Matt 4:7 or Deut 6:16. Nowhere in the bible did Jesus teach anyone NOT to pray about something. Rather, he said that we should always pray.
@PinkPolkaDotAngel Because truth matters. See Jude 3 in your bible. .."unless something was amiss in their own life"?? Concerning your next statement above, if you are LDS, you certainly ARE giving your time, talent and treasure to a religion that IS NOT TRUE. Does not matter what you or I believe. The bible is the final arbitor of truth when it comes to the things of God.
@PinkPolkaDotAngel If you don't give any of your time or attention to searching for truth, how do you know when you have found truth? And please don't say that you feel it, because feelings can be manipulated.
@PinkPolkaDotAngel truest-Definition a. Consisted with fact or reality b. not false or erroneous. Book of Mormon- ??? changed, most corrected, no archaeological proof etc......
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these guys a moron lol
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how come there is people disliking this video... it is pure honesty. Open your damn eyes mormons!
chikipoune 2 weeks ago
If anyone wants to know the truth about Mormon beliefs, they can go to Mormon [dot] org and read hundreds of profiles posted by Mormons themselves. I've got a profile there, explaining why I am a Mormon by choice, and not just because my parents were Mormon. I explain how I found out--through study and prayer--that my parents were right. Just enter the keywords "terry" and "omaha". Leave me a note there.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS I would recommend you check into the Pharisees of the Bible, they also were born into thier possitions mostly but choose to stay. They were very much by the Book when it came to the Bible or at least the Old Testament. They followed all the commandments to a tee (or thought so) and held themselves above everyone even the Sadducees who were of a higher wealth status. Then look at what the LDS say and do and be honest with yourself. I already know.
Take care!
Exodus314IAM 1 month ago
@Exodus314IAM I already know what the Pharisees did. They sought out Jesus and tried to trick him with their questions. They were obsessed with him, much like you anti-Mormonism folks seem obsessed with the Mormon church. I never seek out another religion for the purpose of dissing their beliefs. You folks do, hiding it under the guise of defending the faith or claiming it's because you love the Mormon people or some such bologna. This "in your face" type of Christianity is not Biblical.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@cont) Now, there's nothing wrong with a nice, polite discussion of beliefs, IF it remained polite. Sooner or later though, you folks become frustrated because LDS aren't heeding your "warnings" (or whatever you think they are), then it's "All Mormons are going to hell!" and other silly things you don't have the authority from God to pronounce on the LDS church and it's people.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS I love it when Jesus puts people in their place, Luke 18:9-14. The LDS saying I am glad I am not like the "christian" saying "I pay tithes of all that I get". All I have to say is thank god I am like the tax collector, "beating my breast" saying, God be merciful to me a sinner! I just hope you can seek the truth one day my friend and realize religion has nothing to do with being a true Chrsitian!
Exodus314IAM 1 month ago
@Exodus314IAM If religion has nothing to do with being a true Christian, then you have to accept that it's not just Christians who can perform good works. Mormons can do good works (remember now, that is has nothing to do with religion). And I've never heard any Mormon state what you claimed about "I'm glad I'm not like the Christian". I've certainly never said it, or even thought it. I've known many good Christian, and even have good friends who are Christian.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS You have said "good" a lot but good acording to who? us humans who are none good according to God (Mark 10:18)? This verse also shows how Jesus was claiming to be God also, just a side note. According to your standards here I also know a lot of good Mormons, does that mean they are saved?? I wish I could say yes, but Gods word says that does not look so. They follow false gods and have a false Jesus sorry to say! but according to mans standards I would call them good.
Exodus314IAM 4 weeks ago
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Gods1truechurchmyass 4 weeks ago
How do you know that eternal marriage was not known and taught? It's existence is not obvious in the current canon of books that were written and preserved, but there are evidences from early Christian sources that eternal marriage was known. See Mormonism and Early Christianity, an excellent site by Barry Bickmore, for more information.
ddwest47401 1 month ago
But that doesn't mean that these concepts were not taught clearly by the Lord. Christ taught his apostles for 40 days after His resurrection, and we hardly have a word recorded of what He taught. John says his record just scratches the surface of all that Christ did and taught (John 21:25). And we have abundant evidence that there were books of scripture treasured by the ancients that are no longer available ).
ddwest47401 1 month ago
But that doesn't mean that these concepts were not taught clearly by the Lord. Christ taught his apostles for 40 days after His resurrection, and we hardly have a word recorded of what He taught. John says his record just scratches the surface of all that Christ did and taught (John 21:25). And we have abundant evidence that there were books of scripture treasured by the ancients that are no longer available. How do you know that eternal marriage was not known and taught?
ddwest47401 1 month ago
And of marriage, Christ said "What God hath joined together, let not man put asunder" (Matt. 19:6). Also, in the Lord (possibly meaning in heaven or in the eternities), the man is not without the woman and vice versa, according to 1 Cor. 11:11.The Bible is admittedly incomplete in its teachings of eternal marriage, as it is for many doctrines and practices had by early Christians, including baptism for the dead (1 Cor. 15:29)
ddwest47401 1 month ago
The implication is that he still had the original children, consistent with the LDS view that families can be eternal.
2 Pet. 3:7 hints at eternal marriage, when Peter speaks of the man and woman being "heirs together" of the grace of life. Another suggestion of eternal marriage comes from the word of Christ about the sealing power he gave to Peter (Matt. 16:19 and Matt. 18:18): whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound (sealed) in heaven.
ddwest47401 1 month ago
There are indications of eternal marriage and eternal families in the Bible. One of the earliest comes from Job. At the end, Job is blessed with double of all the things he had lost (Job 42:10,12). We are then given a lost of these things, and indeed we see that he was blessed with double the number of sheep, camels, oxen, and asses. But "he had also seven sons and three daughters" (Job 42:13), the same number be had before his trial (Job 1:2).
ddwest47401 1 month ago
Hummm...my question is how Earl can give up the doctrine of eternal marriage?
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS whats it matter if we are all going to heaven?
lilbeaveymac 1 month ago
@lilbeaveymac ...Because most "Christians" I know don't believe in marriage for eternity. You die, and that's it. You'll never see your wife again--or your family either. I had one self-proclaimed born-again Christian tell my that we won't even recognize people we knew on earth. I refuse to accept messed-up beliefs like that.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS You are right. It has got to be tough to give up the foolish belief that you will be doing numerous cuties for eternity making spiritual babies. Thank you God for giving me all these women to make love to for eternity because I am much more righteous than non mormons. keep on believing man!! You and warren Jeffs who is in prison for the rest of his life believe the same thing.
Gods1truechurchmyass 1 month ago
@Gods1truechurchmyass ... The only "tough" thing for me is reading through all the bologna you anti-Mormonism types claim is Mormon doctrine. And just for your information? Your entire post is wrong. Now I'm trying to figure out if you are really that uninformed, or if you are just someone who's trying to get a rise out of me just for fun. Kindly inform me which it is.
Mormon dot org for the straight of what we believe.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS Well maybe a little of both. I will not believe what Mormon.org, missionaries or Apologists say is Mormon doctrine because I only believe what Mormon Prophets say the church believes in. If any of the other sources say something that is proven wrong tomorrow Mormons will simply say that was never official church doctrine. Having said that. everything said in my last post has been said by prophets of the LDS church. If you can prove me wrong by quoting other prophets I will listen.
Gods1truechurchmyass 1 month ago
@Gods1truechurchmyass ...the main problem with that approach is that you anti-Mormonism types get your "quotes" from sources like the Journal of Discourses, which is not official LDS doctrine and never will be. You folks are as bad about cherry-picking as you accuse LDS of being. You completely ignore the two main principles of LDS doctrine: 1) the current prophet's words take precedence over that of former prophets, and 2) LDS church has a right to determine what its own doctrine is.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS Aw the fourteen fundamentals. This gave the current prophet the ability to say anything and no one can question him. because a living prophet can negate any predecessor prophet, or the scriptures for that matter. The 14 fundamentals of the church took away from all members the ability to independently verify if what the LDS prophet was actually saying was true. Members need a way to independently verify what the Mormon prophet is saying because of all the errant prophecies of the past.
Gods1truechurchmyass 1 month ago
@JediLDS In addition, Journal of Discourses in my mind are comparable to Conference Talks today. If they are not doctrine, then why listen to conference? It is not official doctrine. Like I mentioned I will only listen to what your prophets have said is doctrine. I know that is real Mormonism. I know your current prophet does not even prophecy, he just tells silly stories in conference, so I assume he has not really even talked to God and just tries to fill time at these conferences.
Gods1truechurchmyass 1 month ago
@Gods1truechurchmyass ... In your mind? No slam on you, but why should I take advise from someone who is not LDS and who does not believe that LDS even have prophets? You state that "I will only listen to what your prophets have said is doctrine". That's a bit hypocritical, don't you think? You anti-Mormonism folks really amuse me--pretending to know more about what constitutes LDS doctrine than someone who has been LDS all his life, and probably for longer than you've been alive.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@cont) But, that's okay. You have every right to be wrong about LDS beliefs/doctrine, and I respect that right. However, it wouldn't hurt for you to educate yourself on exactly what constitutes LDS doctrine and how something becomes doctrine to begin with. If you did that, you'd be smarter than 99% of most anti-Mormonism types who pretend to know what they are talking about.
Mormon dot org is an official web site of the LDS church. Enter "Omaha" and "Terry" in the search box to see my profile.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS I do not want you to take my word for anything, so please research things for yourself. If you are happy in the church stay there. The reason I select the prophets to tell us what LDS doctrine really is, is that is the only person the LDS church says is able to receive revelation for the church. But yes, I am positive that the LDS prophets have had no ability to discern what God desires of us than any other. Based on what they have prophesied, that I can clearly discern is not from God.
Gods1truechurchmyass 1 month ago
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JediLDS 1 month ago
@Gods1truechurchmyass I've done extensive search in the past, mostly on claims that you anti-Mormonism types make about the church, and in particular, what early church authorities have supposedly said. My problem--and it's not one that had it not occurred would have convinced me to leave the church--is that EVERY true anti-Mormon I've conversed with, except one, has either admitted to lying about LDS beliefs/doctrine, or has refused to answer my question about it. (cont)
JediLDS 1 month ago
@cont) ... They claim that their lies are justified (several have told me this) if the lies convince someone to leave the church. Which leads to the question of why I should take the advice of a known liar, especially one who had professed early on in the discussion to be born again? The other big problem is that most of them have refused to engage in a polite discussion about Jesus Christ, when I invited them to. This attitude has always baffled me.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS Liar, you know what Bring em young said. He was a racist and so is your church. Utah is becoming less and less mormon every year as is the whole world lol Your silly 14 million number includes people like my best friend and my brother and sister who have had nothing to do with the church in years. There is in reality only about 5 million active mormons and decreasing because of this wonderful tool, the internet
liamlloyd77 1 month ago
I'm going to excuse you on the racist charge. You obviously don't know what you are talking about. As far as your family, if they chose to leave the church, that's their business. I'm certainly not concerned. As for your other 'facts', that's a matter of opinion.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS Talking about god commanding the whites never to inter marry with blacks or else death is not racist? He was a racist little bitch and he was the one who started the law of banning blacks from the priesthood. Joseph let them.
Youre indenial and cant accept critism
liamlloyd77 1 month ago
@JediLDS Okay, were done. You are calling me, Bill Erskine in the video; and everyone on this board that is talking against the church, a liar. You are completely indoctrinated. I feel very sorry for you. I left the church 3Mo. ago after researching thoroughly and discussing with my Bishop. Its crazy what the LDS have omitted about its history. The Church must teach about all these fits of history in church to refute & why they happened or there will be many more disillusioned with the omission.
Gods1truechurchmyass 1 month ago
@Gods1truechurchmyass "You are calling me, Bill Erskine in the video; and everyone on this board that is talking against the church, a liar."
Not liars, just deceived. You folks really act like I'm a threat to your salvation, or something. If the Mormon church bothers you so much, why don't you just walk away? Find another hobby in place of obsessing over the Mormons to engage in. However, I know you won't do that, so as long as you continue doing what you do, I'll continue doing what I do.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS Ya right. The church lied by omission to me and did not tell me that Joseph Smith married already married women and translated the BOM the same way he defrauded people out of money telling them he could find treasure for them for a price. etc etc The church deserves all the criticism it gets. I will not leave the church alone until I feel I have warned enough people because they have lied to me and I want warn as many people as possible that the Mormon church is built on deception.
Gods1truechurchmyass 1 month ago
@Gods1truechurchmyass says: " I will not leave the church alone until I feel I have warned enough people..."
Your business.
Joseph Smith never promised any one that he could find treasure for them for a price. You've allowed yourself to get sucked in by some anti-Mormon website or book or where ever you got that information from.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS Okay, you tell me then why JS was convicted for "glass looking." what is your interpretation? Do you deny that JS did it completely? Or do you believe "glass looking" that JS was convicted of is not my definition of JS charging people money saying he could find hidden treasures for them by looking through a "seer stone". Enlighten us please.
Gods1truechurchmyass 1 month ago
@Gods1truechurchmyass ... First off, Joseph Smith was never convicted of anything. That renders the rest of your argument moot.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS I see, so are completely denying it? or are you playing with words with me? Are you saying Joseph Smith was never in court for accused glass looking? Are you saying he was arrested and tried for glass looking but was not convicted? Or are you saying there is no proof that he was convicted. what is it?
Gods1truechurchmyass 1 month ago
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@Gods1truechurchmyass ... What part of "Joseph Smith was never convicted of anything" did you not understand? Sure, he was hauled into court many times on phony charges. None of those charges ever stuck, however, because they were simply not true. Clear enough for you?
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS So you are saying that the glove did not fit? but that does not mean he did not do it. but this has nothing to do with our salvation so I will leave this as what it is. He said she said and that all we can get out of it.
The bottom line is who is your "prophet" is it Joseph Smith who has a ? background in deception? or is it Jesus Christ was a perfect sacrifice for us all?
Exodus314IAM 4 weeks ago
@JediLDS Thats what I thought. You are just like the rest of church leadership. You tell half truths.JS was a man whore, criminal and a pedophile and the the prophets of the LDS church do not talk to God. If there is a hell you and your "prophets" will all go there for your deception and leading people astray. No leader in the church is willing to tell the truth. The truth that JS was killed for his crimes of destroying a printing press, poking 14 year olds, deceiving others out of their money.
Gods1truechurchmyass 4 weeks ago
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@JediLDS said "First off, Joseph Smith was never convicted of anything. That renders the rest of your argument moot."
As long as you continue half truths like this you and the church will fuel inactivity and people leaving the church." TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH!
Gods1truechurchmyass 4 weeks ago
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Gods1truechurchmyass 4 weeks ago
@JediLDS You are 100% correct JS was not "convicted" but he was arrested for it and put in jail before he translated the BOM the same way? any red flags? seek the truth!
Exodus314IAM 1 week ago
@Exodus314IAM Red flags??? JS was arrested numerous times, all under false charges. Ergo: no convictions, ever. No...no red flags for me.
JediLDS 6 days ago
@JediLDS I like your style. Just a note to you, these trivial changes in the text would be done under direction of apostles. Its trivial because to me, the content is the same. The father is the sun, the sun is the father..I feel I do understand it in whole. Also, after 30 or 40 years active and in numerous positions of authority there would be many life changing experiences to confirm what your doing is real and right..How are those ignored and forgotten so quickly?
IMSTINKYBUTHAVESWAGG 5 days ago
@JediLDS I was not pointing out that he was arrested and let go but that before he translated the gold plates with the stones the same way he was finding hidden treasure and was arested for tricking people. Funny thing is this is the same way he translated the BOM and tricked how many people in Mormonism?? the number is growing sorry to say and you say "no red flags"? Satan has a strong grip on these poor lost people!
Exodus314IAM 5 days ago
@JediLDS really? tell me why JS married already married women; ordered the destruction of a printing press saying bad things about him; married underage women at age 38: translated the BOM with a peep stone; lied to Emma about his ceilings; why JS drank wine the day he died; got married to 14 year old girls promising salvation to their families. BY married already married women; said interracial couples should be put to death; why did Js say the BOM was the most perfect book & then 3500 changes?
Gods1truechurchmyass 4 weeks ago
@JediLDS Why did the church lie about how much money they spent to fight prop 8? only to be fined by the government. Why didn't God tell Monson that it was useless to fight against Prop 8 because it would be overturned in court and the LDS time and money would be better spent for the poor or other humanitarian causes?
Gods1truechurchmyass 4 weeks ago
@JediLDS Why is the church losing members in record numbers? Why is there not any proof of the historicity of the BOM? Why are American Indians from Asia when the BOM says they are from Israel? Why does BOM God say he changes color of peoples skin based on righteousness? It is complete Garbage. Why was God discriminatory to Blacks so they could not hold the priesthood? finally why would God have so many crazy rules to make it so difficult for us to discern if it is Gods true church? Garbage!
Gods1truechurchmyass 4 weeks ago
@JediLDS Funny you point out the glass looking as the bad part but forgot the fact he married how many other women some as young as 16? any red flags here?
Exodus314IAM 1 week ago
@JediLDS If you are going to discredit all the other writings then where in the Bible or Book of Mormon do we find eternal marriage, any of the temple rituals, etc? oh wait they are only in the other writings...and you say people "cherry-pick"? Mormons are the biggest cherry-pickers of them all!
Exodus314IAM 1 week ago
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“I think we may accept it as a rule that whenever a person’s religious conversation dwells chiefly, or even frequently, on faults of other people’s religions, he is in a bad condition.” –C.S. Lewis, Collected Letters Vol. 3 p. 209
"My experience has been that most TRUE anti-Mormons are not really concerned with the state of a Mormon's salvation. What they take more delight in is the thrill of contention when debating a Mormon." --JediLDS (aka JediMormon, aka MormonSmurf)
JediLDS 1 month ago
Im still reading through and I have some problems with addiction that I need to get rid of but I can't wait to finish reading this great book.
yellowcorba1 1 month ago
The great deceiver is using this poor man and he can't see it.
ddwest47401 2 months ago
@ddwest47401 Sad, isn't it.
JediLDS 1 month ago
He asked god to forgive them cause they don't know what they're doing...that you bro...if you can only listen to yourself..all you do and say..is hate...lol..sorry you feel that way...
Jobyluv 2 months ago
Read Mormon 8:12 brother Earl Erskine (p481). Even the VERY Elect of God will be deceived at the last days. Regardless, God loves you and he recognizes that others and more will fall away. It's NOT new to those who would follow the Savior.
drmacavinta 2 months ago
@drmacavinta Read Matthew 24 verse 24 "For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." My friend, YOU ARE THE VERY ELECT THAT HAS BEEN DECEIVED. You have been deceived by false prophets who have given false prophecies of racism, adultery, and pagan temple rituals. I can name many false prophecies that have never come to pass from your false prophets. Pray about it!
twoclose2call 1 month ago
No other Faith believes of the GODHEAD than of the LDS Church...everybody else are dived into the same lie that came out of Nicaea which changed the shape & form of God forever. Trinitarians won't understand which member of the Godhead the BOM is talking about unless we explain...'cause to a typical Christian the Father, Son & H/Ghost mean one individual instead of three. The BOM is just fine. This person joined the Church with his own agendas on the side.
leSavaii 2 months ago
WOW!!! What incredible courage and integrity! I am sorry for the immense pain you must be experiencing from the treatment of your family. I do not understand people not wanting to know "truth", no matter what it now leads one to give up. What could be more important than "truth" especially when it comes to the facts concerning our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! I pray your family comes to understand they are the deceived. You're leading them home!.Our God is smiling. Blessings on you Sir!
oksills 2 months ago 5
Uhh..did he say "Christin God?"!??!?! Ha, there is only One. He is God of all of us. He came to Earth in the form of his Son, Jesus Christ and sent a Helper..aka..Holy Spirit.
jreedjr 2 months ago
If the angle “moroni” gave the golden plates to Joseph Smith, how come we don’t call it “moronism”. With that being said, he, Romney and Beck would be considered morons. Come on. Joseph Smith made this garbage up. How about this, if we not gonna call mormons,
jreedjr 2 months ago
BTW, anybody that replies to this message stating that “moronism..aka mormonism” is a christian denomination is a tard. Adding to the Word is not allowed people. And the Kolob thing. Oh, and how about this (God ain’t gonna appreciate it): “As man is, god once was; as god is, man may become.” Uh, that is crap.
Read the Bible please. Geeze, if you too lazy to do that, just Google it.
jreedjr 2 months ago
@jreedjr John the Revelator's admonition in the book of Revelation not to add to or take away from, is meant for the book of Revelation only. John was warning those who read or copied his writings, not to mess with them. Do your research. Even theological seminary grads know this. The Book of Mormon does not add to or take away from the Bible, as it is a separate work telling the history of a group who lived in the Americas before and after the time of Christ.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS Point taken, so why did Joseph Smith change and add and take away words to the book of revelation then in the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible?
twoclose2call 1 month ago
@twoclose2call Because the book of Revelation, as it appears now in the Bible, is not the the original writing as it came from John the Revelator's pen. JS treated it just like the rest of the Bible. And while we're on the subject, how about the other versions of the Bible that are out there today? Which version of the book of Revelation is the correct one? If the Bible is perfect, as some claim, modernizing it by updating the language would only render it imperfect, wouldn't it?
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS Some day you should try reading some of those "other versions of the Bible". Mormonism makes most Mormons ignorant enough about the Bible that they assume other translations of the Bible R like totally different books, which is not at all the case. I have read the KJV, NKJV, NIV, NASB, Young's Literal Translation,
The Message Bible etc. They all agree Jesus is the only God & Savior that exists Isaiah 43:10,11. That every knee in heaven & earth will bow 2 Him Philippians 2:5-11
1stcorinthians1vrs18 1 month ago in playlist Mormonism - Craft of Deception & Cult of Counterfeit
@1stcorinthians1vrs18 You miss my point, which was, some folks claim that the Bible is perfect. My question was, which version? If the KJV is perfect, then why the need for the other versions? Also to consider is the foreign translations. Do they say the exact same thing as the English KJV version only in the languages they were translated into?
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS Every decent translation of the Bible is perfect enough 2 teach us extremely accurately exactly what God said 2 us in the original languages of the Bible. It has not been corrupted as Mormonism teaches & as the serpent taught in Genesis chapter 3. The better questions would B: Why has nobody ever found such a thing as a writing in reformed egyptian? Why R there thousands of changes in the current BOM from the original? Why is there no archaeological or other evidence 4 the BOM?
1stcorinthians1vrs18 1 month ago
@JediLDS this is where we disagree.I believe that JS had no ability to accurately translate any foreign language, proven by his false translations, ie Kinderhook and the Book of Abraham. So, any adds or subtractions he made from Revelations in the JST of the Bible were false and did put him under the curse. I agree with 1stcorinthians1vrs18. Just because there are different translations of the Bible does not mean the underlying meaning totally changes. Most versions I have read are very similar.
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@twoclose2call ... Concerning the Kinderhook plates: I did some extensive research on them several years ago, and found that Joseph Smith never expressed much interest in them, only mentioning them once in his journal. What really made me suspicious was the initial act of digging up the plates. Several men had invited two Mormon males over to witness the digging. My question was: why do that unless you know ahead of time what you're going to find? That alone had "setup" written all over it.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@jreedjr if you are sincere about reaching mormons and providing them with the truth, you should reach out in love and facts; not with brutal, bullyish emotional appeals. What do you expect to have happen by referring to intelligent but misled people as "morons"? Their mind, perhaps opened somewhat by Bishop Earl's comments, will snap shut.
RecoAlco 2 months ago
@RecoAlco Maybe you are rigth..maybe not. Those were facts. Besides, I'm saved and I speak from my heart (love). Jesus is fully aware of my intentions and style. I'm not in the habit of hitting people over the head with the Bible; however, I am in the business of facts and I'm to the point.
I don't care much for sugar coatings. Jesus was pretty specific. I was being specific.
jreedjr 2 months ago
@jreedjr Jesus was specific, but only harsh to those who were harsh to Him. Perhaps you should read the Beatitudes again?
JediLDS 1 month ago
@jreedjr claims: "I'm saved and I speak from my heart (love)."
Calling someone a "tard" or a "moron" is showing love? (Or do you automatically assume that all LDS are morons and tards?)
That's not love. That's just plain ignorant. Jesus never dissed anyone's beliefs (except for those like the Pharisees who deliberately sought him out for the purpose of trying to trick him with their questions). Jesus was all about "this is what I have to offer". So far, we're not seeing much of that from you.
JediLDS 1 month ago
don't called people brothers and sister..you fake bishop..you probably did something thats why you left...gay
Jobyluv 2 months ago
@Jobyluv wow, you are casting dispersions and judging a man you have never met... and then you finish up by throwing in a homosexual slur? A little self-reflection, please!
RecoAlco 2 months ago
Is this guy supposed to be more than 60 years old?
Just4YML 2 months ago
@Just4YML ...Whoa, whoa, whoa! I'm over 60 myself! Don't diss us old coots! :oP
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TheSoulamore 3 months ago
sounds like satan can tempt even the most rightous followers of God. But one thing is for sure. This brother has found nothing of Christ since his deception was complete. The man that was once him is gone. And comming back to the light side of the force is next to impossilbe.
mikemarco76 3 months ago
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I like how you say "light side of the force". Mormonism should be taken just as seriously as Star Wars--although I have to say Star Wars movies are a lot more entertaining than the LDS scriptures.
iqlusionblogspot 3 months ago 2
@iqlusionblogspot No star wars pun intended. There is a light and a dark side to everything in this world. Its easy to see what side a person is on. It shows in what a person does. And either way you go the more consumeing it becomes the further you go with it? Just dont go to far unless your willing to fully accept the results.
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@mikemarco76 @TheSoulamore Yes! That's how it spelled. :)
Chinaculiacan hace 1 semana
@Chinaculiacan Oops...I guess i should say "abajo perra" LOL
TheSoulamore hace 1 semana
TheSoulamore is a big hypocrite she said b**h in spanish and she ask LDS not to call names but her own gang are full with offenses.
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@mikemarco76 The only person that would say something bad about this Bishop is someone who has a motive to make him look bad. God is taking good care of him. Light included.
TheSoulamore 3 months ago 2
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Our enemies have never done anything that has injured this work of God, and they never will. I look around, I read, I reflect, and I ask the question, Where are the men of influence, of power and prestige, who have worked against the Latter-day Saints? Where are there people to do them honor? They can not be found.
gbechannel 3 months ago
Where are the men who have assailed this work? Where is their influence? They have faded away like dew before the sun. We need have no fears, we Latter-day Saints. God will continue to sustain this work; He will sustain the right. If we are loyal, if we are true, if we are worthy of this Gospel, of which God has given us a testimony, there is no danger that the world can ever injure us. We can never be injured . . . by any mortals, except ourselves. :)
gbechannel 3 months ago
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gbechannel 3 months ago
Hi, Earl, your old friend Craig Leavitt here. I don't know what you mean by Christianity being the place to find Christ, because it is the most unreliable and unstable of all religions in the world. The Bible is imperfect. Your friend Shawn is a fraud. I'm in favor of you doing whatever you and yours want to do, but this Christianty you have espoused in hogwash
Craig2344 4 months ago
@Craig2344 show me a specific example of how you think the Bible is imperfect, and I will show you a wealth of scholarly information, a variety of opinions, and some context that will help you understand how and why it actually truly works.
On the other hand, the book of mormon was not translated so much as dictated by a man staring into a hat; it has been changed 4,000+ times and is not reinforced by any geographical, historical, or linguistic fact.
I'll stick with the Bible, thank you.
RecoAlco 2 months ago 2
God bless this man! He has found the Truth! Amen to the Father!
JD27076 5 months ago
One wonders if the good bishop has given up his former belief that families and couples can be together forever in heaven?
JediLDS 5 months ago
@JediLDS just because Christians believe that marriage does not exist in the afterlife (based directly on the words of Christ, Himself), doesn't mean that they think they'll be separated from their families for all eternity. God loves us and I think its only fair to give Him the benefit of the doubt and say that if you go to Heaven it's going to be pretty sweet.
RecoAlco 2 months ago 11
@RecoAlco I've had many Christians tell me that they don't believe that they will be their family in heaven. Others have stated that they don't know. Some have claimed that we won't even recognize anyone. And, by the way, Jesus never said that there wouldn't be married couples in heaven, just that there would be no marriages performed in heaven. Thus, the LDS belief of proxy marriages for those who have passed on.
JediLDS 4 weeks ago in playlist Mormonism - Craft of Deception & Cult of Counterfeit
@JediLDS You do not have to get washed & anointed & sealed to your family in a Mormon temple to be with your family in heaven. You do not have to know secret handshakes to get into heaven. that is complete foolishness. Do you really think that God would not let you into heaven because you did not know the handshakes? Mormonism is man made and completely foolish. It does not matter what any christians told you in the past. They were not prophets were they? All LDS temple rituals are from man.
Gods1truechurchmyass 4 weeks ago
@Gods1truechurchmyass Your lack of knowledge of LDS beliefs/doctrine is showing.
JediLDS 2 weeks ago
@JediLDS Please enlighten me then. Make sure though it is official church doctrine from your prophets and not BYU apologetic conjectures. They have no bearing on church doctrine. Also, don't try to enlighten me with half truths like the church depicting Joseph Smith as a non polygamist in all of the Church published pictures and videos made in the past 20 years. I want all of the truth.
Gods1truechurchmyass 2 weeks ago
@Gods1truechurchmyass You want all the truth? Read the Book of Mormon--cover to cover-- and pray about it. If you are genuinely sincere and open-minded, the truth will be given to you by the power of the Holy Ghost. That's what happened to me.
However, I'd guess that you don't really want "all the truth". What you want is more fodder with which to diss the LDS church.
JediLDS 2 weeks ago
@JediLDS I have read the BOM cover to cover, many times. If one wanted to know if Nazism was true would they only read Hitler's book Mein Kampf? No, they would also read what the critics of Nazism also say. Then If they after hearing all the facts, still wanted to believe in Nazism, fine. That is why I am happy for you. You know all the garbage of the church & still believe. Good for you! Tell everyone else the whole truth, too & if they want to join the church, I will also be happy for them.
Gods1truechurchmyass 2 weeks ago
@Gods1truechurchmyass "You know all the garbage of the church & still believe." Actually, the fact is that I know all the garbage of the anti-Mormons & still believe. But...call it what you like, you've yet to provide proof that tops a witness from the Holy Ghost. Moroni's promise works.
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twoclose2call 2 weeks ago
@JediLDS I have tried Moroni's Promise on many things not just whether the BOM was true. I prayed sincerely if the girl I was dating just before my mission was to be my wife. I received what I believed at the time to be a strong personal witness from God that I was, after my mission she was already married. This is just one of many examples. Also what about Muslims who get a personal witness that there church is God's only true church. Those witnesses you call them can be deceptive.
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IMSTINKYBUTHAVESWAGG 6 days ago
@JediLDS once again complete garbage. There are many that died as infants. You are basically saying everyone else can have spouses in heaven but not if they died as infants you can only be an angel. once again foolishness, since no infants have proxy marriages in Mormon temples. complete foolishness.
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@Gods1truechurchmyass "You are basically saying everyone else can have spouses in heaven but not if they died as infants you can only be an angel."
Don't know where you're getting that from.
JediLDS 2 weeks ago
@JediLDS My Marklars are wise and true: You really need to read Section 132 again: Verse 15. I guess that it's doctrine, but where doctrine conflicts with modern revelation, revelation trumps doctrine, unless there is more recent revelation, then that revelation trumps the former revelation.
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twoclose2call 1 month ago
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@JediLDS Many Christians believe that families will be together forever. I have heard this consistently from Christian religions that they will meet loved ones again in heaven. I suppose it depends on what your definition of families being together. Christians don't believe in the Mormon view that they will be having sex and producing spirit babies with many wives and becoming Gods of their own worlds like Mormons believe.
twoclose2call 1 month ago
@twoclose2call If you believe that families can be together in heaven, then you must also believe in marriage for eternity. And I've met many "Christians" who don't believe that families are forever. Some have even told me that when we get to heaven, we won't even recognize them.
JediLDS 1 month ago
@JediLDS Why do you have to be married to be with someone in heaven? Marriage is just a ceremony. Do you think that no one would be able to see any of their friends and family for the rest of eternity if they are not married? It does not make sense. Marriage is just a ritual.
twoclose2call 1 month ago
@twoclose2call My point was that I don't think you have to be married to see them, but I've talked to Christians who don't believe they'll see loved ones again. There seems to be a great difference of opinion of the in the Christian world.
JediLDS 1 month ago
OH my goodness. The Bible has been changed over hundreds of years. Are you now going to make a video that you are no longer a Christian because of that. Hello, knock, knock?!
Whateverintheworld 5 months ago
ask in faith, you also have to be humble. If an atheist prayed to know if God exist the whole time believing he doesn't and that he wasn't going to get an answer or with contempt in his heart for the very thing he is inquiring about he would not recieve the answer that God does live. Does that mean God doesn't exist? Yes, there are certain things required to get an answer like faith, humility, willingness to hearken, an open mind, etc.
love1another777 5 months ago
It does not matter whether the church grows or not that does not have any bearing on it's truthfulness. There were only a few who believed in God and followed him at the time of Noah. It does not matter if there is tangible evidence for the BOM, God's truth is not based on tangible evidence. I am puzzled as to how asking God if something is true (Moroni 10:4) is "turning your brain off" God is the only one who can tell you if something is of him or not. And as it states in James 1:5 you must
love1another777 5 months ago
@love1another777 James 1:5 says "if you lack wisdom" not 'if you lack knowledge". Why should i pray about something if God has already spoken out on the subject? why should I pray to see if it is true? The test for the Book of Mormon is to compare it's teachings with that of the Bible. And if they don't add up and they don't on certain things), then you don't have to pray about it.This passage is in the context of coping with trials and is written to Christians. Be a Berean (Acts 17:11)
PrimitiveCollecter 5 months ago
@PrimitiveCollecter Why should you pray about something if God has already spoken? for conviction and conversion of course. God has spoken, yet all who read the bible interpret what God said differently so how can you not go to the source for clarification? The way to know if something is from God is to ask God or to prove the word.
Having studied the BOM and Bible I can say they do not contradict on any point.
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PrimitiveCollecter 5 months ago
@love1another777 Praying about something which God has already spoken against is testing God, not testing the truth. Matt. 4:7 Deut.6:16. First see if God has spoken out about it from His word before you pray if you don't you would be setting yourself up for other forces. (1Tim.4:1) The test for the BofM is to compare it's teachings with that of the Bible. The King James Translators Notes definition- tempt: or,try,or,put to trial, or, PROOF -
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JediLDS 1 month ago
@PrimitiveCollecter .... the problem with comparing the BofM with the Bible is that whatever conclusions one comes to are nothing more than personal opinion. You seem to be telling love1another777 that is wrong to pray to God about certain things, or that it is wrong to go to Him with questions you have whose outcome may affect the rest of your life. I have found nothing in the Bible were Jesus said not to pray. Indeed, Jesus encourages us to pray always. Proverbs 3:5-6 applies here nicely.
JediLDS 5 months ago
@cont... "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5-6 Lean NOT unto thine own understanding. That's just what would be happening if someone were to shove God aside and decide that they can determine better than Him if the Book of Mormon is true or not. Once a person has a witness from the HG as to the truthfulness of the BofM, that's it. End of story. No other proof is needed.
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akg771959 5 months ago
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@JediLDS In short, the Holy Spirit teaches and guides us in TRUTH. The Bible declares the BofM to be an abomination.
akg771959 5 months ago
@akg771959 The Bible says NOTHING about the Book of Mormon.
JediLDS 5 months ago
@JediLDS Then how do you explain the claim of mormonism that the Bible gives prophecy of the BofM if you claim that the Bible says nothing about it?
akg771959 5 months ago
@akg771959 Ezekiel 37:16-17. I probably should have made myself more clear. Mormons do believe that Ezekiel makes reference to another book that would come forth in the latter days, what LDS believe is the Book of Mormon. What I meant was that the term "Book of Mormon" does not appear anywhere in the Bible. Sorry for the confusion.
JediLDS 5 months ago
@JediLDS Is Isaiah 29:4 also considered a prophecy of the BofM?
akg771959 5 months ago
@akg771959 ... Yep.
JediLDS 5 months ago
@JediLDS Ok..glad we have established that. Now read Levitcus 19:31 and 20:6, Deuteronomy18:10-12, II Kings 23:24, I Chronicles 10:13 and II Chronicles 33:6. What do these passages tell us?
akg771959 5 months ago
@akg771959 So do "familiar (evil)spirits" have to do with a witness from the Holy Ghost? Are you trying to equate the Holy Ghost to an evil spirit? The Holy Ghost is mentioned 89 times in the Bible, and is a member of the Godhead with Jesus Christ and His Father.
JediLDS 5 months ago
@JediLDS No. The Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost) is of God. Familiar spirits are of satan. As you can see, through scripture, we have a clear warning to have no reguard for familiar spirits...we are to turn from them. Familiar spirits are part of occult worship.
akg771959 5 months ago
@akg771959 I'm glad we agree on something. :o)
JediLDS 5 months ago
@JediLDS Jedi, I am not on here to bash you or condemn you. It is only my intention to share truth in love. If you believe you know truth it is not my place to try to change that. Ultimately, it is the Holy Spirit that convicts the heart by hearing and reading God's Word. Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
akg771959 5 months ago
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@akg771959 "It is only my intention to share truth in love." As is my intent. I do fully believe Romans 10:17, by the way. Contrary to what most anti-Mormonism types I've had discussions with, LDS do consider the Bible to be a big part of our religion.
JediLDS 5 months ago
@JediLDS But It is still "your understanding" that you are communicating with the Holy Ghost. You are leaning on your own understanding. There are several different mormon groups who are "trusting the Lord" with all their heart and they have different scriptures, beliefs, prophets etc. Furthermore, regarding the phrase "shove God aside and decide that they can determine better than Him if the Book of Mormon is true or not." Since it is false, isn't this exactly what the mormons have done??
bossendenwoodconvict 5 months ago
@bossendenwoodconvict "Since it (the BofM) is false..."
That's an assumption on your part. No slam on you, but you obviously have never had the experience of a witness from the Holy Ghost. Otherwise, you would know what I'm talking about. The Holy Ghost leaves NO DOUBT who his witness is originating from. When it comes, it's very powerful.
JediLDS 5 months ago
@JediLDS I remember reading about a woman going through the temple. It was not a good experience for her. She said she felt the "Holy Ghost" telling her to LEAVE mormonism, as is common with those who do leave. Mainstream Christian groups claim to be guided by H.G. too. Why, therefore, should the LDS experience of the "Holy Ghost" prove anything more than other groups' experience of it?
bossendenwoodconvict 5 months ago
@bossendenwoodconvict I can't pretend to speak for others. I will say however that the Holy Ghost is not going to tell anyone to leave. "Common with those who leave the church?" I disagree. Most former LDS I've whose experiences I've read/heard, have left because they studied the early history of the church and claimed to have discovered that they had been lied to. Seriously, yours is the first claim I've heard of the HG supposedly telling someone to leave. I doubt that it's all that common.
JediLDS 5 months ago
@JediLDS Today I saw an edition of the programme "Polygamy What Love is This" in which a doubting mormon prayed specifically to know if temples were still part of God's plan. She apparently heard him say "NO." Maybe it wasn't the H.G part of the Godhead speaking, but it's another example of someone claiming God spoke to them. If the average person is confronted with two people claiming God/HG has spoken, but saying different things, what are they to do? Look at the evidence of course.
bossendenwoodconvict 5 months ago 2
@JediLDS Not true. The Father of Lies is extremely deceptive--many people I know feel the "spirit" in Multi-level marketing presentations that end up bleeding them dry. Emotions can be manipulated. This is why God has given us tools to determine the truth: the Bible (and specifically the words of Jesus), and discerning minds that can examine facts in order to separate truth from fiction, should the individual care to do the work.
RecoAlco 2 months ago
@JediLDS It's only God opinon we want. Only His matters. We are told we need to examine the Scriptures (Acts 17:11) That is what we must do if we want to be true to God. We are not to pray about something that God has already spoken out on the subject. Because that would be putting God to the test. Math.4:7 Deut.6:16. Wesley's Notes definition: By requiring further evidence of what He hath already made sufficiently plain. Witness from the hg is not from the Real Holy Ghost (1Tim4:1)
PrimitiveCollecter 5 months ago
@PrimitiveCollecter I'll see your Acts 17:11 and raise you a Matt. 16:17.
"We are not to pray about something that God has already spoken out on the subject."? Acts has nothing to do with praying about the truth of something. Neither does Matt 4:7 or Deut 6:16. Nowhere in the bible did Jesus teach anyone NOT to pray about something. Rather, he said that we should always pray.
JediLDS 5 months ago
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PrimitiveCollecter 5 months ago
@PinkPolkaDotAngel Because truth matters. See Jude 3 in your bible. .."unless something was amiss in their own life"?? Concerning your next statement above, if you are LDS, you certainly ARE giving your time, talent and treasure to a religion that IS NOT TRUE. Does not matter what you or I believe. The bible is the final arbitor of truth when it comes to the things of God.
BIGLOVE4TRUTH 5 months ago
This is awesome!
HiDefJesus 5 months ago
@PinkPolkaDotAngel If you don't give any of your time or attention to searching for truth, how do you know when you have found truth? And please don't say that you feel it, because feelings can be manipulated.
RecoAlco 5 months ago
@PinkPolkaDotAngel truest-Definition a. Consisted with fact or reality b. not false or erroneous. Book of Mormon- ??? changed, most corrected, no archaeological proof etc......
PrimitiveCollecter 6 months ago
God Bless you Earl. Oh how wonderful to know Christ (the realChrist). Because at one time you were blind, but now you have no problem seeing. PTL!
PrimitiveCollecter 6 months ago 4
@PinkPolkaDotAngel says who you?
lilbeaveymac 6 months ago
There is a Face book group called 'Mormon Stories Podcast Community'. Youtube doesn't like to let people like me leave public links here in comments, ostensibly to prevent spam & malicious links. But, I along with other members of our group would like you to know your videos are being thoughtfully discussed and you will find support and welcome in our group. Please look for us on Facebook, and thank you for your courageous actions.
NomNomMom 6 months ago 4