Obama isn't doing anything other than acknowledging that the supposed "Lockbox" of Social Security was cracked open and looted a long time ago and that the US is on the footing for a permanent trend of decline.
If I controlled Obama here's what I'd want him to do. Hold out for Tax increases on any person or corporation earning over $300,000. Thr Repubs will say no. When we run out of money next week, start bringing the troops home (guess we can't aford those wars), end the war on drugs (too expensive and not cost effective), suspend all INS,FBI, and Homeland security operations.Wanna bet the Repubs say yes after that?
I heard you say you will not guarantee SS checks if the debt ceiling isn't raised. Why is it the scare always has to do with SS, Medicare, & our Soldiers Pay? Why not stop your pay, your staff, or Congress? Lets hold the paychecks of all house & senate members and see how fast they resolve this mess. If you agree repost this & keep it going across the whole USA.
Obama makes liberal speeches but he is conservative at heart. We still have military in Iraq, Afghan, etc...gitmo is still open, and now he cuts soc sec/ medicare....there is no doubt about this. We can only hope a real liberal runs agaisnt Obama...he/she will
So Obama says Social Security may not be paid after 8-2-11 if they don't reach an agreement. I have a better idea. Rather than not paying the people who need that small check every month, lets not pay any Politician for the next year and see if that helps them to work a little harder for the US, the little people..
So Obama says Social Security may not be paid after 8-2-11 if they don't reach an agreement. I have a better idea. Rather than not paying the people who need that small check every month, lets not pay any Politician for the next year and see if that helps them to work a little harder for the US, the little people.. Repost this if you agree
Barack Obama is a Democrat. He was the fifth African American Senator in U.S. history, and is the first African-American currently to hold the presidential office not a republican he just made a mistake you all know what he trying to say.
Are you saying obama is a republican? He must have disopointed you demacraps so now you clame he secretly became a republitard. I think thayer all full of sh*t
Rich people brought down the economy, then their taxes can't be raised because they are protected by nature of who they are. Poor man have to carry the burden. Who murdered the economy? Dishonest men. How comes then we pay the penalty that has nothing to do with us? Its all now of innocent Americans our security is to go Hurray.
0 Unemployment,No debt, greatest economy ever known. All the jobs are taken, that's why you see all these Mexicans having to suck it up and come find a shitty job in the USA
Obama takes $40billion dollars from social security.. You work for GE or Daves bake shop they tax deduct your money calling Social Security Union Tax. Dave sets on Welfare and you work. Dave lauges while he calls you a scab. You paid nothing. A federal workers own child is a excuse for govt. to deposit large sums of money in social security to make it strong as McDonalds called it a loss on the W2 form. Where is the $40billion I guess Obama has got this in the bag. politics did not pay
Social Security and Medicare have always been called the THIRD RAIL for a very good reason. Any Repub or Demo touching either of them will be history. meaning that they can forget ever being re-elected and will also later be ridiculed in their lives after politics - which will be very soon! They all need to just shift back that old S.S. money that they're currently using to steal oil in their little fake wars, and shut the hell up.
@bobspez I agree with you 100% I also believe that Medicare should cover 100% of Healthcare, Vision, Dental, and Prescriptions... after all the Seniors worked long & very hard for decades and they have built the USA to be great ! Now the politicians want to cut cut cut ...because they need the funding for their own obscene health insurance , pension etc. Poltiicians are people that could never get a "real" job... they love sitting on their rumps and dictating which war tto start .
I just really want them to cut back on military spending.... We would be A LOT better off if we did that. I am sick and tired of how america has become, and I really want it to change for the better...
Yeah, they're finally getting rid of social security and this sense of entitlement in people. I can't stand old people or poor people, we should just deport them to Hawaii Lol
How would they cut social security? There are too many on it right now. I would say millions. They don't allow people to save up a lot of money on SS. Would they set up another program to help the disabled eldery. Not cut it 100% right? Just reduce it? I know if they cut SS entirely I will not vote for him again. What can we do? Why does this government step on the poor, disabled and elderly? The weakest of the country!
Social Security is a PONZI scheme NOT "insurance".
If your contributions are REALLY are put aside for your retirement, the money is there earning interest, right? If your money is in your "account," what difference would it make if your neighbor chooses not to participate in the program?
Truth, Social Security like all taxes is spent immediately to fund the federal government. Social Security is nothing more than an accounting ledger with no money.
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@indigitime I see it a bit differently. To me Obama is maybe the last faint voice against the total facism that the neocons have been pushing the country towards for the last 30 years. The real secret Republican (used to be called a dixiecrat) was Clinton.
@indigitime Excuse me, but Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme, a Pyramid that was based on many workers supporting a few older folks. Birth rates changed, there is no longer the large base of workers to pay in, and we now just have a math problem. This system was invented, and brought to you by Franklin Roosevelt, a Liberal, Progressive Democrat. Taxes started at 1%, now at 12.4% on much higher incomes as well ! Even with this massive increase on the burden paid by labor, system is bankrupt.
Your math is correct but ignores some major facts. First, the corporate interests own this country at present. Monsanto controls the FDA and Dept. of Agriculture, the defense contractors own the Dept. of Defense, the State Dept. are just a Chamber of Commerce for American industry, and energy companies (oil, gas coal) own the DEP. Our military spending is 50% of our budget. If you want to balance the budget and fix SS cut the military/prison industrial complex spending.
@bobspez Military spending is less than 20% of the Federal Budget. 60% of the Federal budget is transfer payments to individuals. As for "Corp Interests" running the country, why is the avg US corp tax rate 39%, while the avg rate in OECD nations is 24%? This fact, plus many other negative factors in the US, like lawsuit awards, regulatory costs, permitting costs, etc, are the REASON corps LEAVE, "outsourcing" jobs, and taxes . If conditions were good here, "insourcing" would exist.
The defense budget was 23% or $684 M in 2009, Social Security and Medicare Medicaid were about 20% each. But NOT included in the 2009 budget was an additional $900 Million for the Afghan and Iraq wars which were just charged forward. Had it been included in the budget (as it will be in the 2010 budget figures) it would have brought the military budget to about 50%, more than the SS and medicare/medicaid budgets combined.Haliburton paid no taxes. The corp tax rate is a joke.
@bobspez Obama`s 2009 appropriation for Iraq, Afghan was $130 billion or 3.2% of budget. YOU CLAIM it would bring cost from 23% to 50%!! Lies. Social sec, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment, all together are 1.64 Trillion in 2009, or 53% of budget. Include the wars, and YOUR figure of 23%, you get 26.2% for military. The $900 bill is a figure over many years. May I put costs of Soc Sec for 10 years too?
I stand corrected. The $900 Billion was 2003 to 2009, not 2009. However if you are going to defend military spending and Haliburton's tax returns, then I do think it fair I continue to draw my SS no matter who pays for it. AND no politician will touch legacy SS payments as long as baby boomers like me hold a significant voting block. The young will have to worry about themselves. Maybe Haliburton will help you.
@bobspez I am impressed. Admitting a major error. However, it seems the most important thing for you, is that you are taken care of. The point is, going over the 15.3% burden now in place, is going to shrink the economy, and not generate revenue.
@bobspez Halliburton`s income statement reveals it paid 30.8% taxes in 2009. Since it earns money in 70 other nations, it owes THEM the taxes, not the US Govt. It would only pay on income earned IN the US. Profits left outside the US after paying taxes abroad, NEVER are taxed. Most corporations arrange themselves to pay the lower rates abroad. IF you would LIKE them to pay here, make the tax rate equal to abroad. Would you pay 62% more taxes if NOT necessary?? Dont be silly. Pay elsewhere.
"If you want to balance the budget and fix SS cut the military/prison industrial complex spending."
Same goes for slashing the overbloated defense budget and killing the Bush tax cut permanently. If you attack the heart of the problem, it clears a path on a road to economic recovery. Actually attacking the system that is set up to allow the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer would be the closest thing to a silver bullet.
"The problem is how are we dealing with our medium-term debt and deficit and how are we dealing with our long-term debt and deficit. And most of that has to do with ENTITLEMENTS, particularly SOCIAL SECURITY and Medicaid."
Well there you go called it an entitlement, definatly looks like he's cutting social security, not too many senior citizens will be happy about that. Looking less and less likley he'll be getting a second term.
@guyv00 Printed money will be used to pay of Social security, MediCare, Pensions, benefits, and then more money to bail out the individual States so THEY can pay off the govt unions pensions, benefits. In the end, an inflationary explosion, collapse in value of our currency, will end this madness. China has added over 600 tons of Gold to Treasury over last decade, India adding as well. China is worlds largest Gold producer, buys production, adding to Treasury. Encourages its people to buy too.
@luvcheney1 do you really want to talk about whether the Clinton or Bush years were worse for the national debt and the deficit? Do you really want to go there? You are entitled to your ideology but not your own facts. Fact is that the Bush years were the weakest 8 year period economically in decades. Even excluding the 2008 recession, GDP growth was a miserable 2.1% annually up to 2007. That's what Bush and his voodoo supply side economics gave you.
@tarmulane Fact, Nasdaq index was $5400 in March 2000 ( Clinton), and $2400 Jan 1, 2001 ( Clinton), over 50% collapse tech stock bubble burst, BEFORE Bush in office. FACT. March 2001 recession started, , and Bush`s tax cut bill was not passed, until June 2001. Clinton`s recession ( bursting of DotCom Bubble) caused falling economy, which had zero to do with Bush tax cuts. Employment data, GDP growth over those years caused by 3 falling years after Clinton. Continued
@tarmulane Part2) 85% of Bush`s tax cuts went into effect in 2003, and then revenue, by % of GDP INCREASED, and deficits were falling, until housing bubble burst. When you cut tax rates, and revenue increases faster than the economy does, it is silly to blame deficits on rising %`s of cash. Spending was the cause. Now, explain how falling deficits, rising tax revenues, caused housing bubble to burst, and the crisis. I`ll wait.
@luvcheney1 Honesty, all this talk of dems and repubs, conservatives and liberals, budgets and deficits is meaningless because the people only get to vote on what the corporate interests put on the table and the media smokescreen mass brainwashing promote. It's all (war on drugs, war on terror, war on various chronic diseases) a giant smokescreen to promote corporate sales of one sort or another. That we support these ideas when they patently don't work is a tribute to their advertising skills.
@shalcall AND, the Republicans were suggesting cut in payroll taxes to stimulate the economy from the beginning. Obama and Clinton together fought for Bush`s tax cuts on TV, not Clinton`s rates. Senate test vote went 85 for Bush`s tax cuts, on rich too, and against it only 15. Funny someone as dumb as Dems say Bush was has everyone on his side, while he is retired. You have been snookered, by Bush!!
@luvcheney1 There are better ways to stimulate the economy than payroll tax holidays. However, Obama is between a rock and a hard place, so if this is the only type of stimulus that he can get through congress, it's the type he'll take.
Note, neither Obama or Clinton is arguing for Bush's tax cuts. You'd have to be a complete idiot with no comprehension of english to think that. They are arguing for the compromise deal that includes them, because it's better than nothing.
@luvcheney1 They are supporting the Bush tax cuts because they have no choice if they want to pass a second stimulus. It was idiotic for Bush to pass tax cuts in the midst of two wars and topping them off with a 7 trillion prescription drug bill that was unpaid for. It was Gore who suggested keeping the Clinton surplus in a 'lock box' in case of an emergency. That should have been the conservative position. Instead Bush squandered the surplus on pushing supply side voodoo economics.
@tarmulane 1) CBO Director Herzog reported tax revenue TO Federal Govt increased after Bush tax cuts. ( percent of GDP). Revenue as % of GDP under Bush was same as during the 1950`s, about 17.4%. In 1950`s top rate was 91%, Bush`s was 35%. 2) Gore proposed much larger Prescription plan during election than Bush, Kennegy and Dems pushed MORE. 3) National debt increased every year of Clinton`s term, Clinton- Gore spent it SS surpluses.
@luvcheney1 I do not disagree that some actions needed to be taken. However, the FACT is, money was/is taken out of people's pay's for A LONG TIME. The money WAS paid in. IN essence if THAT money is not used as it was SAID it would be. FOR THEM. It is fraud on a massive scale. We can debate whether or not something is morally or ethically ambiguous, the facts are undefendable.
@freelandwhippet None of my previous comments above this were about social security. But, SS is a Ponzi scheme, started when there were over 20 workers for each retired person, and now is getting close to 2. Before, 20 paid in for 1 old guy, now 2. The system is collapsing. This is just arithmetic, and fairness is irrelevant. The Progressives snookered you. Bush warned you, tried to see you could get your own, real financial assets, and the Progressives snookered you again.
@freelandwhippet But, you know the total SS, M ediCare tax burden is 15.3% of payroll. The last 40 year average return of the S&P 500 stock index avg ( stock value plus dividends) was over 10%. ( including financial collapse). IF you figure a poor man, earning $30K annualy only, at only 6% average return, that is about $700,000 in a 40 year working lifetime. Would you prefer $700,000 cash at 65 yrs ( invest at 6% for $42K annual) or $1200 mo for 12 years, and insurance?? THAT is taken from us.
@luvcheney1 Now we are reaching into some legitimate discussion points. I agree the system is not perfect and could absolutely use some intelligent discussion, debate and argument. I have many strong thoughts on Social Security. With the system as it currently is. My thoughts still remain that while many individuals insist we should consider cutting Social Security, all sides of the discussion do not provide ALL the information, and allow people to make a choice. Continued.
@luvcheney1 We are repeatedly plowed by our "representatives". However, while it is inherently clear I am largely a progressive liberal. I would love to say Democrat, but a large portion of those guys sold me out as well. I voted for a Democratic, forward thinking president, who offered hope and promised change, and the only hope he delivered was to corporations and the richest of the rich, and he followed that up with his version of change, change of who he portrayed and carried himself as.
@luvcheney1 Sorry I got off on a tangent. Anyway, somewhat back on point. I would be absolutely 100% open to ANY changes/alterations from America as we know it on 3 conditions.
1) All information must be disclosed. Factual information. If the deficit will be cut 1 million dollars or 1 trillion. I want to know that. I want provable, defensible facts. After BOTH sides present their propositions, they THEN present their opinions, predictions and reasoning.
2) After all of the potential information IS given. A CLEARLY defined, path forward MUST be given. We cannot just have "We gotta cut SS, cause were broke".. OK.. Well.. What then? If a Republican, Conservative, Tea Partier or Rush Limbaugh's can show me a better way forward for the country, laid out with clear facts as well as a forward looking plan, I would get behind it 100% like I did in campaigning for Obama. Who has shown he is incredibly weak.
3) Finally, and perhaps, to me personally MOST IMPORTANTLY. Not just in respect to Social Security, but in all politics.(Outside of drastic, jawdropping campaign reform) We need, NEED.. NEED.. FULL transparency. Again.. OFF TOPIC.. But, if you are an intelligent human being, with a fully functioning brain, I am so blasphemously befuddled as to the blatantly fraudulent purchasing of politicians. I am sorry Luvchaney1. I went incredibly off on a tangent and directed it towards you.
@luvcheney1 Anyway. Legitimately i am apologizing for turning this into what can be seen as a personal attack on you, in addition to twisting and changing subjects all over. Almost like a politician myself lol. Anyway, After a large amount of contemplation, I think what really NEEDS to be changed BEFORE ANY other legitimate discussions can happen, is transparency as well as campaign finance reform, and DRASTIC changes must be made.
@luvcheney1 Politicians go into politics for a few years, which essentially is a 2 year apprenticeship where they get medical insurance for life.. Then.. THEN, they come out of it, and, for the deals they made WHILE in office, for special interests, pay them incrediiiiiiibly, Again, though, I am sorry Chaney, have a good christmas/whatever you celebrate, I am done with my rambling nearly incoherent rant.
@freelandwhippet No problem, your rant, attitude are fine with me. Transparency is an ideal, it takes intellect to see truth. Example: "Corp profits up 400% over 2 years ago!!" Or this, "Corp profits up from 1% to 4% over 2 years ago". IF YOU KNOW Avg return on S&P 500 ( 500 large corps) is 6% historically, and 1% is disaster, both statements are insignificant, if you really get it. Yet, the "up 400%" is actually the way MOST of the press reported it, recently! Libs think profit is excessive.
@luvcheney1 Finally my last thought in terms of transparency are that all information IS skewed and I agree wholeheartedly with you that people need to listen to all of the information and attempt to make an intelligent, informed decision. Fox is not fair and balanced. Tho, neither are any of the other media outlets. I do not believe the other outlets are anywhere near as skewed as Fox. that is their thing and what they do. People should never get all of their information wholly from 1 source.
@freelandwhippet Another example. "CEO of Pfizer made $13.7 million in 2009! No wonder drugs cost so much!" Pfizer has $50 billion in revenue, and $8.1 million of his compensation is stocks, options, which are NOT charged to customers. They are additional shares given to a CEO, essentially giving him a piece of the Corp, because shareholders want him to stay. It comes from the Owners. So, if you do the math, $5.6 million wages is .00011 of revenue, or 11 cents per $1000 of insurance.
@freelandwhippet Transparency? If you do not have the understanding, the facts IN PERSPECTIVE, truth means NOTHING. In 2009, Health Insurance corporations averaged 5.2% profit. Thats $50 profit per $1000 of policy. Does THAT square with Obama, and Liberal Insurance corporation bashing? No. But, they know their constituents do not know, will not even look it up.
@luvcheney1 Sadly, as much as I love to claim a slant, IE, liberal, conservative, whatever... As much as corporations are demonized and criminalized, I absolutely and totally understand that a corporations singular purpose is profit. Additionally, I have NO problem with the top brass of any of corporations, from Pfizer to Wal-Mart to Morgan Stanley, collecting enormous wealth due to stock options and other performance based incentives. (contd)
@luvcheney1 I also believe they should receive a significant guaranteed compensation amount. However, this base pay should be voted upon by their shareholders. I absolutely believe that if you are a CEO and your organization is posting incredible gains the CEO should receive due compensation. Although, that compensation due should be covered with their stock and portfolio options, so it would be a moot point.
@freelandwhippet About Fox, sure, they are conservative, but have Dems, liberals on most of the shows on a regular basis, giving the other point of view. As for getting news from "other sources" , I am a conservative on this page, inhabited by raving LIBS, all agreeing among themselves. After I made comments on Social security, you say their are no plans, except "cut it, were broke". Fact, the system is $17 Trillion in unfunded liabilty. System started at 1% tax, now is 12.4% of Income!!
@freelandwhippet At 12.4% tax on income, to balance out the unfunded liabilities, we must raise taxes, cut benefits, or both. Those ARE the only options. Bush tried to reform, Dems want to ignore it, just let it crash in the future. Social security, & Medicare taxes are 15.3%, and for 40 year working life, amount to $700,000 estate for a poor guy working at $30,000 annually. Bush tried to get Congress to allow young to accumulate personal wealth with part of Soc Sec cash.
@freelandwhippet Soc Sec is in sad shape, requiring actions to balance. Cutting benefits or raising taxes more are both politically hard. Dems just pretend its OK, ignore it. MediCare is worse, the unfunded liabilities are more than $70 trillion. Reality is that taxation for these programs is already 15.3% of incomes, and taking even more from the younger workers to pay for the older, is insane, unfair. I ran up $140,000 in the last 2 years, never had issues, until older. ( personal blue cross)
@freelandwhippet Is it REALLY fair to grind the young into poverty, to pay the older folks, living in their paid off homes?? Reaping pensions that bankrupt States, municipalities, who promised incredible benefits, for votes? Reality is the Federal Govt for SS, MediCare, fed pensions and benefits, States and Municipal Govts, UAW and GM, Ford Chrysler, etc, etc, ALL made impossible promises. This is also happening in Europe too. Thats why the riots are happening. The promises can not be kept.
Yes it is fair because we older people worked 40 or more years to collect SS and pay off those homes. The younger generation are far from being ground into poverty. They are the richest poor people in the history of the world. Poverty with new cars, ipods, wall mounted wide screen tv's, facebook and every penny spent as soon as it's earned. SS is not wellfare. It's an insurance program and we paid 40 or more years of premiums. Keep your cotton pickin hands off my SS.
@bobspez 40 years ago, in 1970, YOUR labor generated the 4.8% both you and your employer paid for you ( SS and MediCare) or 9.6% of max $7800 income per year. Today, those supporting the retired pay in 15.3% of max $106,800. I made $3hr, $120 wk, $6200 yr 1970, or 79% of max total income ( $7800), as a cook at IHOP Today cook at $14/hr, $560 wk or $29,000 a year, and TODAY GOVT taxes way up to over $108,000!! I am 59 yrs old, paid my whole life too. OUR burden is far less than TODAYS. Fair?
@bobspez This is simply a mathematical problem. Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme, just like pyramid schemes, Madoff, etc. "Insurance" modeled like this is illegal in private sector, and totally ridiculous on its face. To know the American public approved this, supported it, allowed this farce to begin, and continue, shows the stupidity of the average person. You can say "keep your hands off", but to pay you as promised means simply to kill production, labor under an ever increasing tax burden.
@bobspez I agree with you 100% I also believe that Medicare should cover 100% of Healthcare, Vision, Dental, and Prescriptions... afterall the Seniors worked very hard and dillegent for decades and they have built the USA to be great ! Now the politicians want to cut cut cut ...because they need the funding for their own obscene health insurance , pension etc. Poltiicians are people that could never get a "real" job... they love sitting on their rumps and dictating which war tto start .
@bobspez You are damn naive if you think poverty looks that good. As someone who works in a thrift store, I have seen hundreds of people who can't pay $3 for a old, turn up blanket to keep themselves warm at night. If you're going to demand your martinis and golf club funds, while allowing the disabled to work, at least have the balls to admit it's shit...but don't delude yourself into thinking, "oh well, they're bathing in expensive clothing and electronics..they don't need ssdi ssi money".
@ncPsychosis I think you have me mixed up another poster. I have experienced poverty first hand and don't believe I ever said it looked good.. I am for keeping SS (I collect it as a retiree after contributing into it for 44 years) and I'd like to scrap medicare for pure socialized medicine for all. I'd like the rich and corporations to pay more taxes and I'd like the military industrial and prison industrial complexes shut down. I'm waiting for Obama to man up.and do something.
@luvcheney1 Jesus H Christ man! Still here? You write me again? You've been trolling here all week!? What the fuck is wrong with you or do you get paid to so this? It took you a week to come up with the insult that I'm a pinko? You tell someone else to take their meds. How monumentally witless. Your arguments are like: yes it is no it isn't yes it is no it isn't. How shocking and original: you can repeat talking points like a parrot. What an intellectual piss ant.
@hamnose Gee, I missed this comment. YOU are the one calling those who disagree with the Lib ( pinko) view "Troll", because they have a different point of view. I guess you Libs ( sorry, pinko offends) just want to all have a daisy-chain among yourselves, no other points of view invited?? You can all get out your vocabulary, "Republitards", "Tea- baggers", toothless hillbillies, etc.
@luvcheney1 No, I am calling you a troll because you are a troll. You have spent a good part of your life here trying to offend people with no effort to understand what they say and having absolutely nothing to say yourself. In case you didn't notice: you've posted here several hundred times. What does that make you? A troll. Sorry my vocabulary isn't at your level but since you mention it, yeah, I'd bet you are a toothless unemployed tea-bagger living in your mother's trailer.
@hamnose Since you noticed I am a prolific "troller", you had ample opportunity to find actually denounce a policy statement of mine. You declined. You are an empty bag.
@luvcheney1 What? Are you trying to say that I have had plenty of time to denounce a "policy statement" of yours? Now why in the fuck would I do that? But what's this, you have a "policy statement"? Oh really? What would that be? "Phony statistics you're a pinko boring talking points duh you're a pinko more lies you're a pinko falsified budget figures you must be a pinko and so on" Sorry I've already heard it, anybody can go to the sources to see what an ass you are. Hey your mom is calling.
@luvcheney1 Hey now that's a brilliant "policy statement" I had "ample opportunity to find actually denounce". Damn you are busy, spreading your venom even on Christmas Eve. What a trooper. Got any more? What have you got for Christmas? Kill all the poor? You're a pinko? I can't wait to see what's in my inbox.
@hamnose Cant even come up with some corporitist BS? About how its OK for the poor to not pay anything, while someone else pays tens, hundreds of thousands? How "green" jobs are going to employ millions? How no healthcare is going to be better than expensive healthcare? How we spend more on healthcare than everyone else? We also spend more high definition TV, and I dont hear complaints. How Cheney made money by quitting Halliburton, making peanuts as VP? How Jesus is a pinko too, so its OK?
@luvcheney1 Jesus H Fucking Christ you wrote me on Christmas day!? What a fucking tool. I feel the hate but what the fuck are you trying to say? Can't you compose just one fucking sentence in an unequivocal manner? And did you ever notice that a spell checker is built into your browser? Fuck Cheney, fuck his 6 draft deferments, fuck his lesbo daughter and fuck you. I see you're engaged in another conversation and pulling the same shit out of your ass as you have been for several weeks. Piss off.
@hamnose Even when I raise a half dozen potential pinko favorite subjects, you cant bring your self to discuss a policy argument for your precious Lib ideas. As for Cheney and the draft, it was five, not 6. John Kerry, Dem Pres candidate had 4 deferments, and failed to get his 5th. Of course, this is why he was in the service. There is NO difference between Kerry, the lying swiftboated" war hero and Cheney, except Kerry was too stupid to pull it off. Libertarians believe in a volunteer army.
@luvcheney1 Again what the fuck are you talking about? ...wait a minute I don't care.
But hey I keep forgetting how much we owe our freedom to heroes like you. I'm sorry war hero. I was wrong to be impressed by anyone who would run into enemy crossfire and risk his life to save a fellow American or do the same to save his boat and fellow sailors. What a coward! But you keep up the good fight here on youtube hero. Wow even on Christmas day. Give this asshole a medal of honor.
@hamnose tsk, tsk...... 1) you know what I`m talking about 2) if you didnt care, you wouldnt reply. 3) Kerry would never had gone to the war either, because he tried to get his 5th deferment, was turned down. 4) There are many reasons to join the military, some noble, some not. 5) Kerry has not done anything important in his life, except marrying Heinz catsup capital. Cheney actually ran a corporation, that does things. Very few in govt ever did anything.
@luvcheney1 No I don't know what you are talking about (who would?) and I don't care what you're talking about. For one thing you're a liar. And for another you're an asshole with his head up another asshole's asshole. And speaking of that asshole you love so much: Cheney was an incompetent executive. The only thing he did which benefited that vampire of a corporation was to use his position as vice president to get them an insider's no bid contract to thieve off the American people.
@hamnose Clinton/ Gore gave Halliburton no-bid contract, when Cheney was CEO. Obama has given Halliburton no-bid contract as well. Know why, silly hater? Because they have been lw bidders, and get the job done better than anyone else. Realistically, there is only one other competitor, "Slumberger", a French Corp. But then, you already know that, and Halliburton is in 70 other nations, so it really doesnt matter what the US govt does, or doesnt do, now does it?
@luvcheney1 And do you think I give a fuck about Clinton, Gore or even Kerry? I don't, but I'm not going to let a youtube bumpkin scoff at what is true heroism. This is in spite of the fact that I despise John Kerry. I care even less for a scumbag like Clinton. I'm calling you out for being the professional liar hater coward and general purpose piece of shit that you are. That's the real "debate" here as anyone can tell you.
@hamnose I see nothing here in your post, except you dislike me, and think Kerry is a hero. The fact is, Kerry never went voluntarily, tried as hard as Cheney to stay home, with 4 deferrments, and a 5th that failed. Cheny`s 5th was accepted. Poor baby! Kerry`s contribution to the world was nothing. Libs overwhelmingly believe VietNam was wrong, evil. You support it? I doubt it. Running Halliburton helps military far more than Kerry.
@luvcheney1 "I see nothing here in your post, except you dislike me"? Poor baby, are my posts just like your posts? Wow so you're going to cry now? What a putz! And yeah knowing what it is like to be shot at, I have to say that what Kerry did was truly heroic and what you and your buddy Cheney do is truly cowardly. Hey there's an anal cyst on Cheney's ass. Get along now boy and do your duty. suck suck suck
@mengwise36 I`ve worked for 43 years, and it was always for guys with money, or corporations, or myself. You have a job, working for a Welfare Queen, or a homeless guy?
Exactly. I bet none of the slaves worked for the poor or homeless back in the days. You would have made a perfect slave in deed.
Let me ask you another question. If US get invaded by say Mexico and you have worked for the occupiers for 43 years, does it make it OK for your country to be occupied in the first place?
@mengwise36 Your premise is silly. Might makes right is the correct premise. For example, Spain stole Mexico from the Indians, Mexicans stole the colony from Spain, and the US stole some of Mexico from the Mexicans. It had been stolen twice already, when the US stole it. AND, when the US stole the Southwest from Mexico, only 2% of Mexico`s population lived here. They were doing nothing with it. Good thing for Mexicans, that we stole it, otherwise southwest US wouldnt have jobs for them.
Money is an imaginary concept. It would not exist if we did not make it so. Our fiat monetary system is the largest dividing factor in the USA right now. Can you not see the big joke here. As a species we inflict the worst of atrocities against one an other over the imaginary number values we assign to all real things. From an objective point the way we let these numbers run our lives seems quit neurotic, and obsessive. Is it just a distraction so the mongers can keep their power?
@devildad1620 Explain how the line at the cash register at WalMart will work, when the guy in front of me has a cart full of stuff, and wants to pay with Marlboro cigarettes, when I want to buy a Beatles CD, and I have a bag of oranges. Doesnt this seem inefficient? You must realize, they already solved this problem in Mesopotamia, 4000 years ago. They paid in silver, with "coil money". You just snipped off the acceptable amount at purchase. The medium needs to be OK with general population
@slitrobo That is the neurosis we need to get over. Money holds nothing together. money is not glue. Money is just the number values we human assign to things.
@devildad1620 A vibrant economy needs money as a medium of exchange. Prices allocate goods and service, and a common money enables easy trade. Without an acceptable medium, trade slows, and standards of living will fall. Imagine a barter economy, with trade, internet sales, etc?? How about the line in WalMart, while a MGR evaluates the value of my pig. And wants to give me my change in oranges.
when republicans are in office they calm the FUCK down. they are only a -7, obama in power the republicans are a -10 and obama is a -5 so we get a -15 and a giant clusterfuck
Adopt the Australian political system. If the elected party do not like the direction the leader of the party (and thus, the Prime Minister of the country) is taking, then they can have a no confidence vote, and potentially vote in a new leader. It doesn't happen often, but it happened only about 6 months ago.
You poor saps are stuck with this clown not only for the next 2 years, but probably as the Democratic candidate in 2012.
We also have a preferential voting system which is 1000x times better. If both the parties are embarrassingly poor then a third party can actually get elected.
@petieee They wouldn't get elected for president. They barely even get elected for other offices. I'm not saying it's good, it sucks because I hate democrats and republicans. But that's how it is.
Is Obama a member of any of these secret societies (Freemasons 32nd degree, Bildebergers, Skull and Bones, Thule Society, Illuminati, Trilateral commission)? you know what never mind its pretty obvious he is working for the fucking elite's
@KurtLang Why are you dummies unaware that there are a few DEMS in the Senate, who will vote with Republicans on the tax issue? Obama IS a PINKO, but he can NOT get the bill NOW, without the cuts for the rich! IF he stands firm, he will get NOTHING, and in 1 month, WE Republicans will not even have to extend the stupid unemployment insurance!!! You Libs just do NOT under stand, voting matters, and Obama doent have the VOTES!! Pinkos LOSE!
Please stop taking acid, it fries your brain you know. Didn't you learn that in school? It's not me being far to the left, you're the one that's far to the right one step short of living in an aristocratic country, the kind of system our founding fathers had fought against.
@NaziGOPBallmer Yesterday, the US Senate, with a big Democrat majority, from Obama`s elction, voted 83- 15 in favor of Bush`s tax cuts. Compare REALITY with your perception. The TEA PARTY, a ridiculous movement in Libs eyes, stopmed Dems 1 month ago. You forgot?
@NaziGOPBallmer My point is exactly that you claim I am the one far to the right, but compared to what?? Certainly not VOTERS. The Congress overwhelmingly voted for ALL Bush tax cuts, after months of overwhelming support 98% of them. 98% or 100% is not a big deal. Congress actually loves Bush.
Umm, let's see. YES, you ARE, compared to the times when this country actually prospered economically under Clinton. And it's no big surprise why Congress extended the Bush tax cuts. Most of the politicians both Democrat sellouts and Republican alike, are bought by Corporatists. They love helping out their rich buddies as long as they're paid handsomely. And as long as this system benefits only the rich, enjoy living in the Oligarchy States of America, sucker.
@NaziGOPBallmer 50% of those filing income tax form pay 3% of income taxes. 35% of something is way more than 0% of something. You attitude is typical of looters. It is not YOUR responsibility, it is that of others. Value, for value. That is the market system. Your computer, car, electricity, all brought to you by men who thought of it, and helped fund the development of it, delivered it to you. And then still, you want to take even more. "Making money" is their idea, Rearranging it is yours..
"50% of those filing income tax form pay 3% of income taxes."
And who are these 50% you're referring to, the rich or the middle-class? The rich practically pay way less tax than the middle-class thanks to the Bush tax cuts. The so-call "trickle down economy" is smoke and mirrors and has been for the last decade, only a fucking moron would believe in that bullshit. (cont'd)
@NaziGOPBallmer Median income. If you earn income at the median, the half who earn less than you pay 3% of taxes. The 50% above you pay 97%. As for Bush cuts, fully implemented in 2003, the total taxes paid by the richest 25% in 2001 (right as Bush entered) was 82.9% of all taxes. By 2007, after the evil tax cutting, they paid 86.6% of all taxes. See "SOI Tax Stats - Individual Income Tax Rates and Tax Shares", "Returns with positive Adjusted Gross Income", " table 5" This is IRS website
@NaziGOPBallmer I will personal message you the URL, if you actually care. Unfortunately for you, the amount of taxes paid by the rich increased at the lower rates. In nominal dollars, % of GDP, % of all taxes paid as well. Logically, this is easy. In the 1950`s, top tax rate was 91%, and revenue to govt was 17.3% of GDP. Average of Bush term. was 17.4% of GDP, at 35% top tax rate. Tax Rev to Govt varies, based on recession, expansion, ( business cycle) so 60 yr test, using % of GDP is best.
The Bush tax cut is over half a trillion dollars and does nothing for the economy. The GOP wants to look elsewhere to cut the deficit and fund the Bush tax cuts. So they target programs that benefit the middle-class. The Social Security is one good example. It has over $2 trillion in surplus but it was spent on two wars and to extend the Bush tax cuts. They always lie that SS is unsustainable, but the truth is that they refuse to pay back what they owe. (cont'd)
Remember when the GOP killed the public option? If it had passed, then the private insurance industries wouldn't have bled the middl-class dry of their life savings and leave them to die slowly. Instead, private insurance now could raise their rates and a mandate was implemented to force Americans to pay a fine if they didn't have health insurance.
@NaziGOPBallmer Nations largest Health insurance corp is United Health (UNH), and makes about 5% profit on revenue. You stated "bled the middl-class dry of their life savings". Gee, a $500/ mo policy makes $25 profit! OMG! The Bush tax cuts on the rich, using Obama`s figures are $700 bill, in 10 yrs. Thats $70 bill annual! Now, if a rich guy cant give $10,000/ mo to his slut Mistress, that causes issues for landlord, utility co, grocery store, clothes stores, Caddy salesperson, Macy`s, etc.
@NaziGOPBallmer POINT is, if you tax away money from the rich, it doesnt get used, causes negative effects wherever it "would have" been used. The GOOD for the economy from that tax cash, is negatively balanced by the BAD from it being gone. There is NO net gain in the economy. You are taking a bucket of water from one end of the pool, then pouring it in the other. The level doesnt rise. Rich spend 88%- 102% of their incomes, so the idea poor spend more is 12% of $70 bill. $8.4 bill! Nothing!
"if you tax away money from the rich, it doesnt get used, causes negative effects wherever it "would have" been used."
Then explain why during the Clinton years when he taxed the top brackets did it help the middle-class grow, why it helped to create over 20 million jobs the GOP could only dream of, and why by the time he left office, did he leave the country with a budget surplus instead of a deficit. So where's this so-called "negative" effect you're talking about?
@NaziGOPBallmer Clinton left office with a falling economy, Nasdaq Hi-tech index topped at $5400 3/2000, fell to $2400 by 1/012001, before Bush elected. Recession marked 3/2001 start, before Bush cut taxes, Nasdaq a leading indicator. Clinton came into office, as Bush Sr recession was ending. Taking figures from right after recession, to right before is not a truthful look at reality, any more than asking why Obama has lost jobs.
@NaziGOPBallmer Clinton had no control over recession ending as he came in, and expansion during his term was fueled by loose monetary policy, causing the recession in 2001. As for fiscal issues, Clinton cut Capital Gains from 28% to 20%, instituted Nafta, got welfare reformed, requiring work, and getting losers off it. ( sounds Rep??) He was able to get top rate to 39.6%, before Republican control of Congress under Newt came. But, Clinton had Rep Congress for 6 of his 8 yrs. Clinton &Newt= Rep
What a Gaint Messssssssss
mars188 3 months ago
Obama isn't doing anything other than acknowledging that the supposed "Lockbox" of Social Security was cracked open and looted a long time ago and that the US is on the footing for a permanent trend of decline.
MabusZero 5 months ago
So this is why they decided to put a black guy in office! If a white president had done this, there would have been riots. ;)
OpticalFetish 6 months ago
If I controlled Obama here's what I'd want him to do. Hold out for Tax increases on any person or corporation earning over $300,000. Thr Repubs will say no. When we run out of money next week, start bringing the troops home (guess we can't aford those wars), end the war on drugs (too expensive and not cost effective), suspend all INS,FBI, and Homeland security operations.Wanna bet the Repubs say yes after that?
bobspez 7 months ago
Dear Mr. President;
I heard you say you will not guarantee SS checks if the debt ceiling isn't raised. Why is it the scare always has to do with SS, Medicare, & our Soldiers Pay? Why not stop your pay, your staff, or Congress? Lets hold the paychecks of all house & senate members and see how fast they resolve this mess. If you agree repost this & keep it going across the whole USA.
amandao2gould 7 months ago
Has anybody ever told you you move your arms a lot?
Ishosta 7 months ago
Has anybody ever told you you move your arms a lot?
Ishosta 7 months ago
Obama makes liberal speeches but he is conservative at heart. We still have military in Iraq, Afghan, etc...gitmo is still open, and now he cuts soc sec/ medicare....there is no doubt about this. We can only hope a real liberal runs agaisnt Obama...he/she will
win easily.
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skatesoft44 7 months ago
So Obama says Social Security may not be paid after 8-2-11 if they don't reach an agreement. I have a better idea. Rather than not paying the people who need that small check every month, lets not pay any Politician for the next year and see if that helps them to work a little harder for the US, the little people..
crooy2841 7 months ago
So Obama says Social Security may not be paid after 8-2-11 if they don't reach an agreement. I have a better idea. Rather than not paying the people who need that small check every month, lets not pay any Politician for the next year and see if that helps them to work a little harder for the US, the little people.. Repost this if you agree
crooy2841 7 months ago
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Barack Obama is a Democrat. He was the fifth African American Senator in U.S. history, and is the first African-American currently to hold the presidential office not a republican he just made a mistake you all know what he trying to say.
cliffordraysmith 7 months ago
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cliffordraysmith 7 months ago
Are you saying obama is a republican? He must have disopointed you demacraps so now you clame he secretly became a republitard. I think thayer all full of sh*t
gary77777778888888 7 months ago
Rich people brought down the economy, then their taxes can't be raised because they are protected by nature of who they are. Poor man have to carry the burden. Who murdered the economy? Dishonest men. How comes then we pay the penalty that has nothing to do with us? Its all now of innocent Americans our security is to go Hurray.
eunicemathu8 8 months ago
Barack Obush. Liberals are still falling for his shit. Depressing
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ianhowe007 8 months ago
In 1810 Mexico was not Spain's
ianhowe007 8 months ago
I did not mean run by US. Most Mexico's politicians are considered right wing
ianhowe007 8 months ago
Mexico has been run by Republicans since 1810.
0 Unemployment,No debt, greatest economy ever known. All the jobs are taken, that's why you see all these Mexicans having to suck it up and come find a shitty job in the USA
ianhowe007 8 months ago
@ianhowe007 I do not think so. To say that Mexico is run by the United States is insane at best. Mexico in 1810 was a possession of Spain.
Albacorewing 8 months ago
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Obama takes $40billion dollars from social security.. You work for GE or Daves bake shop they tax deduct your money calling Social Security Union Tax. Dave sets on Welfare and you work. Dave lauges while he calls you a scab. You paid nothing. A federal workers own child is a excuse for govt. to deposit large sums of money in social security to make it strong as McDonalds called it a loss on the W2 form. Where is the $40billion I guess Obama has got this in the bag. politics did not pay
redviper2GAMER 9 months ago
Why not just Abolish the Payroll tax and social security, all together?
FatTony726 9 months ago
@FatTony726
Because all the liberal retards idolize FDR like he is some kind of god or something.
Democrats are fucking morons, they don't even stand for a Democracy, let alone the REPUBLIC that we live in
AGeekWithAShotgun 8 months ago
Social Security and Medicare have always been called the THIRD RAIL for a very good reason. Any Repub or Demo touching either of them will be history. meaning that they can forget ever being re-elected and will also later be ridiculed in their lives after politics - which will be very soon! They all need to just shift back that old S.S. money that they're currently using to steal oil in their little fake wars, and shut the hell up.
themredweirdoshow 10 months ago
@bobspez I agree with you 100% I also believe that Medicare should cover 100% of Healthcare, Vision, Dental, and Prescriptions... after all the Seniors worked long & very hard for decades and they have built the USA to be great ! Now the politicians want to cut cut cut ...because they need the funding for their own obscene health insurance , pension etc. Poltiicians are people that could never get a "real" job... they love sitting on their rumps and dictating which war tto start .
hpcwsd 1 year ago
I just really want them to cut back on military spending.... We would be A LOT better off if we did that. I am sick and tired of how america has become, and I really want it to change for the better...
TearsOfWar1 1 year ago
Yeah, they're finally getting rid of social security and this sense of entitlement in people. I can't stand old people or poor people, we should just deport them to Hawaii Lol
mushroomcloudy 1 year ago
You are so fucking right.
loulou2lou 1 year ago
FDR is turning in his grave.
skarpzor 1 year ago
If MLK was alive he would be ashamed in Obama.
Ez3monie 1 year ago 21
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vechorik 4 months ago
OBAMA IS A PHONY
wateryskipper 1 year ago 3
Fuck Oba-Liar
tommypickles09 1 year ago
How would they cut social security? There are too many on it right now. I would say millions. They don't allow people to save up a lot of money on SS. Would they set up another program to help the disabled eldery. Not cut it 100% right? Just reduce it? I know if they cut SS entirely I will not vote for him again. What can we do? Why does this government step on the poor, disabled and elderly? The weakest of the country!
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Social Security is a PONZI scheme NOT "insurance".
If your contributions are REALLY are put aside for your retirement, the money is there earning interest, right? If your money is in your "account," what difference would it make if your neighbor chooses not to participate in the program?
Truth, Social Security like all taxes is spent immediately to fund the federal government. Social Security is nothing more than an accounting ledger with no money.
It is a SCAM to grow gov't!
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NetworkWaves 1 year ago
@indigitime I see it a bit differently. To me Obama is maybe the last faint voice against the total facism that the neocons have been pushing the country towards for the last 30 years. The real secret Republican (used to be called a dixiecrat) was Clinton.
bobspez 1 year ago
@indigitime Excuse me, but Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme, a Pyramid that was based on many workers supporting a few older folks. Birth rates changed, there is no longer the large base of workers to pay in, and we now just have a math problem. This system was invented, and brought to you by Franklin Roosevelt, a Liberal, Progressive Democrat. Taxes started at 1%, now at 12.4% on much higher incomes as well ! Even with this massive increase on the burden paid by labor, system is bankrupt.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
Your math is correct but ignores some major facts. First, the corporate interests own this country at present. Monsanto controls the FDA and Dept. of Agriculture, the defense contractors own the Dept. of Defense, the State Dept. are just a Chamber of Commerce for American industry, and energy companies (oil, gas coal) own the DEP. Our military spending is 50% of our budget. If you want to balance the budget and fix SS cut the military/prison industrial complex spending.
bobspez 1 year ago
@bobspez Military spending is less than 20% of the Federal Budget. 60% of the Federal budget is transfer payments to individuals. As for "Corp Interests" running the country, why is the avg US corp tax rate 39%, while the avg rate in OECD nations is 24%? This fact, plus many other negative factors in the US, like lawsuit awards, regulatory costs, permitting costs, etc, are the REASON corps LEAVE, "outsourcing" jobs, and taxes . If conditions were good here, "insourcing" would exist.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
The defense budget was 23% or $684 M in 2009, Social Security and Medicare Medicaid were about 20% each. But NOT included in the 2009 budget was an additional $900 Million for the Afghan and Iraq wars which were just charged forward. Had it been included in the budget (as it will be in the 2010 budget figures) it would have brought the military budget to about 50%, more than the SS and medicare/medicaid budgets combined.Haliburton paid no taxes. The corp tax rate is a joke.
bobspez 1 year ago
@bobspez I meant to write Billion instead of Million.
bobspez 1 year ago
@bobspez Obama`s 2009 appropriation for Iraq, Afghan was $130 billion or 3.2% of budget. YOU CLAIM it would bring cost from 23% to 50%!! Lies. Social sec, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment, all together are 1.64 Trillion in 2009, or 53% of budget. Include the wars, and YOUR figure of 23%, you get 26.2% for military. The $900 bill is a figure over many years. May I put costs of Soc Sec for 10 years too?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
I stand corrected. The $900 Billion was 2003 to 2009, not 2009. However if you are going to defend military spending and Haliburton's tax returns, then I do think it fair I continue to draw my SS no matter who pays for it. AND no politician will touch legacy SS payments as long as baby boomers like me hold a significant voting block. The young will have to worry about themselves. Maybe Haliburton will help you.
bobspez 1 year ago
@bobspez I am impressed. Admitting a major error. However, it seems the most important thing for you, is that you are taken care of. The point is, going over the 15.3% burden now in place, is going to shrink the economy, and not generate revenue.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@bobspez Halliburton`s income statement reveals it paid 30.8% taxes in 2009. Since it earns money in 70 other nations, it owes THEM the taxes, not the US Govt. It would only pay on income earned IN the US. Profits left outside the US after paying taxes abroad, NEVER are taxed. Most corporations arrange themselves to pay the lower rates abroad. IF you would LIKE them to pay here, make the tax rate equal to abroad. Would you pay 62% more taxes if NOT necessary?? Dont be silly. Pay elsewhere.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@bobspez
"If you want to balance the budget and fix SS cut the military/prison industrial complex spending."
Same goes for slashing the overbloated defense budget and killing the Bush tax cut permanently. If you attack the heart of the problem, it clears a path on a road to economic recovery. Actually attacking the system that is set up to allow the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer would be the closest thing to a silver bullet.
NaziGOPBallmer 1 year ago
Obama's Words
"The problem is how are we dealing with our medium-term debt and deficit and how are we dealing with our long-term debt and deficit. And most of that has to do with ENTITLEMENTS, particularly SOCIAL SECURITY and Medicaid."
Well there you go called it an entitlement, definatly looks like he's cutting social security, not too many senior citizens will be happy about that. Looking less and less likley he'll be getting a second term.
guyv00 1 year ago
@guyv00 Printed money will be used to pay of Social security, MediCare, Pensions, benefits, and then more money to bail out the individual States so THEY can pay off the govt unions pensions, benefits. In the end, an inflationary explosion, collapse in value of our currency, will end this madness. China has added over 600 tons of Gold to Treasury over last decade, India adding as well. China is worlds largest Gold producer, buys production, adding to Treasury. Encourages its people to buy too.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
Where is Joe Biden ?
CerromeX 1 year ago
@CerromeX Gee, Biden is Vice President. Palin ran for VP, lost. Nobody is asking WHERE she is, are they?? She`s on TV every day.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
Thank you secret republican president! I LOLed
danshell8388 1 year ago
@elfornse But, then we would be disappointing all the Dems, who want us dependent.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 do you really want to talk about whether the Clinton or Bush years were worse for the national debt and the deficit? Do you really want to go there? You are entitled to your ideology but not your own facts. Fact is that the Bush years were the weakest 8 year period economically in decades. Even excluding the 2008 recession, GDP growth was a miserable 2.1% annually up to 2007. That's what Bush and his voodoo supply side economics gave you.
tarmulane 1 year ago
@tarmulane Fact, Nasdaq index was $5400 in March 2000 ( Clinton), and $2400 Jan 1, 2001 ( Clinton), over 50% collapse tech stock bubble burst, BEFORE Bush in office. FACT. March 2001 recession started, , and Bush`s tax cut bill was not passed, until June 2001. Clinton`s recession ( bursting of DotCom Bubble) caused falling economy, which had zero to do with Bush tax cuts. Employment data, GDP growth over those years caused by 3 falling years after Clinton. Continued
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@tarmulane Part2) 85% of Bush`s tax cuts went into effect in 2003, and then revenue, by % of GDP INCREASED, and deficits were falling, until housing bubble burst. When you cut tax rates, and revenue increases faster than the economy does, it is silly to blame deficits on rising %`s of cash. Spending was the cause. Now, explain how falling deficits, rising tax revenues, caused housing bubble to burst, and the crisis. I`ll wait.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Honesty, all this talk of dems and repubs, conservatives and liberals, budgets and deficits is meaningless because the people only get to vote on what the corporate interests put on the table and the media smokescreen mass brainwashing promote. It's all (war on drugs, war on terror, war on various chronic diseases) a giant smokescreen to promote corporate sales of one sort or another. That we support these ideas when they patently don't work is a tribute to their advertising skills.
bobspez 1 year ago
@shalcall AND, the Republicans were suggesting cut in payroll taxes to stimulate the economy from the beginning. Obama and Clinton together fought for Bush`s tax cuts on TV, not Clinton`s rates. Senate test vote went 85 for Bush`s tax cuts, on rich too, and against it only 15. Funny someone as dumb as Dems say Bush was has everyone on his side, while he is retired. You have been snookered, by Bush!!
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 There are better ways to stimulate the economy than payroll tax holidays. However, Obama is between a rock and a hard place, so if this is the only type of stimulus that he can get through congress, it's the type he'll take.
Note, neither Obama or Clinton is arguing for Bush's tax cuts. You'd have to be a complete idiot with no comprehension of english to think that. They are arguing for the compromise deal that includes them, because it's better than nothing.
shalcall 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 They are supporting the Bush tax cuts because they have no choice if they want to pass a second stimulus. It was idiotic for Bush to pass tax cuts in the midst of two wars and topping them off with a 7 trillion prescription drug bill that was unpaid for. It was Gore who suggested keeping the Clinton surplus in a 'lock box' in case of an emergency. That should have been the conservative position. Instead Bush squandered the surplus on pushing supply side voodoo economics.
tarmulane 1 year ago
@tarmulane 1) CBO Director Herzog reported tax revenue TO Federal Govt increased after Bush tax cuts. ( percent of GDP). Revenue as % of GDP under Bush was same as during the 1950`s, about 17.4%. In 1950`s top rate was 91%, Bush`s was 35%. 2) Gore proposed much larger Prescription plan during election than Bush, Kennegy and Dems pushed MORE. 3) National debt increased every year of Clinton`s term, Clinton- Gore spent it SS surpluses.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 I do not disagree that some actions needed to be taken. However, the FACT is, money was/is taken out of people's pay's for A LONG TIME. The money WAS paid in. IN essence if THAT money is not used as it was SAID it would be. FOR THEM. It is fraud on a massive scale. We can debate whether or not something is morally or ethically ambiguous, the facts are undefendable.
freelandwhippet 1 year ago
@freelandwhippet None of my previous comments above this were about social security. But, SS is a Ponzi scheme, started when there were over 20 workers for each retired person, and now is getting close to 2. Before, 20 paid in for 1 old guy, now 2. The system is collapsing. This is just arithmetic, and fairness is irrelevant. The Progressives snookered you. Bush warned you, tried to see you could get your own, real financial assets, and the Progressives snookered you again.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@freelandwhippet But, you know the total SS, M ediCare tax burden is 15.3% of payroll. The last 40 year average return of the S&P 500 stock index avg ( stock value plus dividends) was over 10%. ( including financial collapse). IF you figure a poor man, earning $30K annualy only, at only 6% average return, that is about $700,000 in a 40 year working lifetime. Would you prefer $700,000 cash at 65 yrs ( invest at 6% for $42K annual) or $1200 mo for 12 years, and insurance?? THAT is taken from us.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Now we are reaching into some legitimate discussion points. I agree the system is not perfect and could absolutely use some intelligent discussion, debate and argument. I have many strong thoughts on Social Security. With the system as it currently is. My thoughts still remain that while many individuals insist we should consider cutting Social Security, all sides of the discussion do not provide ALL the information, and allow people to make a choice. Continued.
freelandwhippet 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 We are repeatedly plowed by our "representatives". However, while it is inherently clear I am largely a progressive liberal. I would love to say Democrat, but a large portion of those guys sold me out as well. I voted for a Democratic, forward thinking president, who offered hope and promised change, and the only hope he delivered was to corporations and the richest of the rich, and he followed that up with his version of change, change of who he portrayed and carried himself as.
freelandwhippet 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Sorry I got off on a tangent. Anyway, somewhat back on point. I would be absolutely 100% open to ANY changes/alterations from America as we know it on 3 conditions.
1) All information must be disclosed. Factual information. If the deficit will be cut 1 million dollars or 1 trillion. I want to know that. I want provable, defensible facts. After BOTH sides present their propositions, they THEN present their opinions, predictions and reasoning.
Continued
freelandwhippet 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
2) After all of the potential information IS given. A CLEARLY defined, path forward MUST be given. We cannot just have "We gotta cut SS, cause were broke".. OK.. Well.. What then? If a Republican, Conservative, Tea Partier or Rush Limbaugh's can show me a better way forward for the country, laid out with clear facts as well as a forward looking plan, I would get behind it 100% like I did in campaigning for Obama. Who has shown he is incredibly weak.
And 3.. continued.
freelandwhippet 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
3) Finally, and perhaps, to me personally MOST IMPORTANTLY. Not just in respect to Social Security, but in all politics.(Outside of drastic, jawdropping campaign reform) We need, NEED.. NEED.. FULL transparency. Again.. OFF TOPIC.. But, if you are an intelligent human being, with a fully functioning brain, I am so blasphemously befuddled as to the blatantly fraudulent purchasing of politicians. I am sorry Luvchaney1. I went incredibly off on a tangent and directed it towards you.
freelandwhippet 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Anyway. Legitimately i am apologizing for turning this into what can be seen as a personal attack on you, in addition to twisting and changing subjects all over. Almost like a politician myself lol. Anyway, After a large amount of contemplation, I think what really NEEDS to be changed BEFORE ANY other legitimate discussions can happen, is transparency as well as campaign finance reform, and DRASTIC changes must be made.
freelandwhippet 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Politicians go into politics for a few years, which essentially is a 2 year apprenticeship where they get medical insurance for life.. Then.. THEN, they come out of it, and, for the deals they made WHILE in office, for special interests, pay them incrediiiiiiibly, Again, though, I am sorry Chaney, have a good christmas/whatever you celebrate, I am done with my rambling nearly incoherent rant.
freelandwhippet 1 year ago
@freelandwhippet No problem, your rant, attitude are fine with me. Transparency is an ideal, it takes intellect to see truth. Example: "Corp profits up 400% over 2 years ago!!" Or this, "Corp profits up from 1% to 4% over 2 years ago". IF YOU KNOW Avg return on S&P 500 ( 500 large corps) is 6% historically, and 1% is disaster, both statements are insignificant, if you really get it. Yet, the "up 400%" is actually the way MOST of the press reported it, recently! Libs think profit is excessive.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Finally my last thought in terms of transparency are that all information IS skewed and I agree wholeheartedly with you that people need to listen to all of the information and attempt to make an intelligent, informed decision. Fox is not fair and balanced. Tho, neither are any of the other media outlets. I do not believe the other outlets are anywhere near as skewed as Fox. that is their thing and what they do. People should never get all of their information wholly from 1 source.
freelandwhippet 1 year ago
@freelandwhippet Another example. "CEO of Pfizer made $13.7 million in 2009! No wonder drugs cost so much!" Pfizer has $50 billion in revenue, and $8.1 million of his compensation is stocks, options, which are NOT charged to customers. They are additional shares given to a CEO, essentially giving him a piece of the Corp, because shareholders want him to stay. It comes from the Owners. So, if you do the math, $5.6 million wages is .00011 of revenue, or 11 cents per $1000 of insurance.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@freelandwhippet Transparency? If you do not have the understanding, the facts IN PERSPECTIVE, truth means NOTHING. In 2009, Health Insurance corporations averaged 5.2% profit. Thats $50 profit per $1000 of policy. Does THAT square with Obama, and Liberal Insurance corporation bashing? No. But, they know their constituents do not know, will not even look it up.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Sadly, as much as I love to claim a slant, IE, liberal, conservative, whatever... As much as corporations are demonized and criminalized, I absolutely and totally understand that a corporations singular purpose is profit. Additionally, I have NO problem with the top brass of any of corporations, from Pfizer to Wal-Mart to Morgan Stanley, collecting enormous wealth due to stock options and other performance based incentives. (contd)
freelandwhippet 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 I also believe they should receive a significant guaranteed compensation amount. However, this base pay should be voted upon by their shareholders. I absolutely believe that if you are a CEO and your organization is posting incredible gains the CEO should receive due compensation. Although, that compensation due should be covered with their stock and portfolio options, so it would be a moot point.
freelandwhippet 1 year ago
@freelandwhippet About Fox, sure, they are conservative, but have Dems, liberals on most of the shows on a regular basis, giving the other point of view. As for getting news from "other sources" , I am a conservative on this page, inhabited by raving LIBS, all agreeing among themselves. After I made comments on Social security, you say their are no plans, except "cut it, were broke". Fact, the system is $17 Trillion in unfunded liabilty. System started at 1% tax, now is 12.4% of Income!!
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@freelandwhippet At 12.4% tax on income, to balance out the unfunded liabilities, we must raise taxes, cut benefits, or both. Those ARE the only options. Bush tried to reform, Dems want to ignore it, just let it crash in the future. Social security, & Medicare taxes are 15.3%, and for 40 year working life, amount to $700,000 estate for a poor guy working at $30,000 annually. Bush tried to get Congress to allow young to accumulate personal wealth with part of Soc Sec cash.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@freelandwhippet Soc Sec is in sad shape, requiring actions to balance. Cutting benefits or raising taxes more are both politically hard. Dems just pretend its OK, ignore it. MediCare is worse, the unfunded liabilities are more than $70 trillion. Reality is that taxation for these programs is already 15.3% of incomes, and taking even more from the younger workers to pay for the older, is insane, unfair. I ran up $140,000 in the last 2 years, never had issues, until older. ( personal blue cross)
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@freelandwhippet Is it REALLY fair to grind the young into poverty, to pay the older folks, living in their paid off homes?? Reaping pensions that bankrupt States, municipalities, who promised incredible benefits, for votes? Reality is the Federal Govt for SS, MediCare, fed pensions and benefits, States and Municipal Govts, UAW and GM, Ford Chrysler, etc, etc, ALL made impossible promises. This is also happening in Europe too. Thats why the riots are happening. The promises can not be kept.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
Yes it is fair because we older people worked 40 or more years to collect SS and pay off those homes. The younger generation are far from being ground into poverty. They are the richest poor people in the history of the world. Poverty with new cars, ipods, wall mounted wide screen tv's, facebook and every penny spent as soon as it's earned. SS is not wellfare. It's an insurance program and we paid 40 or more years of premiums. Keep your cotton pickin hands off my SS.
bobspez 1 year ago 17
@bobspez 40 years ago, in 1970, YOUR labor generated the 4.8% both you and your employer paid for you ( SS and MediCare) or 9.6% of max $7800 income per year. Today, those supporting the retired pay in 15.3% of max $106,800. I made $3hr, $120 wk, $6200 yr 1970, or 79% of max total income ( $7800), as a cook at IHOP Today cook at $14/hr, $560 wk or $29,000 a year, and TODAY GOVT taxes way up to over $108,000!! I am 59 yrs old, paid my whole life too. OUR burden is far less than TODAYS. Fair?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@bobspez This is simply a mathematical problem. Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme, just like pyramid schemes, Madoff, etc. "Insurance" modeled like this is illegal in private sector, and totally ridiculous on its face. To know the American public approved this, supported it, allowed this farce to begin, and continue, shows the stupidity of the average person. You can say "keep your hands off", but to pay you as promised means simply to kill production, labor under an ever increasing tax burden.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@bobspez I agree with you 100% I also believe that Medicare should cover 100% of Healthcare, Vision, Dental, and Prescriptions... afterall the Seniors worked very hard and dillegent for decades and they have built the USA to be great ! Now the politicians want to cut cut cut ...because they need the funding for their own obscene health insurance , pension etc. Poltiicians are people that could never get a "real" job... they love sitting on their rumps and dictating which war tto start .
hpcwsd 1 year ago
@bobspez You are damn naive if you think poverty looks that good. As someone who works in a thrift store, I have seen hundreds of people who can't pay $3 for a old, turn up blanket to keep themselves warm at night. If you're going to demand your martinis and golf club funds, while allowing the disabled to work, at least have the balls to admit it's shit...but don't delude yourself into thinking, "oh well, they're bathing in expensive clothing and electronics..they don't need ssdi ssi money".
ncPsychosis 7 months ago
@ncPsychosis I think you have me mixed up another poster. I have experienced poverty first hand and don't believe I ever said it looked good.. I am for keeping SS (I collect it as a retiree after contributing into it for 44 years) and I'd like to scrap medicare for pure socialized medicine for all. I'd like the rich and corporations to pay more taxes and I'd like the military industrial and prison industrial complexes shut down. I'm waiting for Obama to man up.and do something.
bobspez 7 months ago
I smell a troll. Gross!
hamnose 1 year ago
@hamnose Then get your nose out of your ass!!!
devildad1620 1 year ago
@devildad1620 Oh I'm sorry did I forget to include you? Who would have thought that for a TYT video you'd have more than one troll?!
hamnose 1 year ago
@hamnose Yes, only pinkos belong on TYT channel.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Jesus H Christ man! Still here? You write me again? You've been trolling here all week!? What the fuck is wrong with you or do you get paid to so this? It took you a week to come up with the insult that I'm a pinko? You tell someone else to take their meds. How monumentally witless. Your arguments are like: yes it is no it isn't yes it is no it isn't. How shocking and original: you can repeat talking points like a parrot. What an intellectual piss ant.
hamnose 1 year ago
@hamnose Gee, I missed this comment. YOU are the one calling those who disagree with the Lib ( pinko) view "Troll", because they have a different point of view. I guess you Libs ( sorry, pinko offends) just want to all have a daisy-chain among yourselves, no other points of view invited?? You can all get out your vocabulary, "Republitards", "Tea- baggers", toothless hillbillies, etc.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 No, I am calling you a troll because you are a troll. You have spent a good part of your life here trying to offend people with no effort to understand what they say and having absolutely nothing to say yourself. In case you didn't notice: you've posted here several hundred times. What does that make you? A troll. Sorry my vocabulary isn't at your level but since you mention it, yeah, I'd bet you are a toothless unemployed tea-bagger living in your mother's trailer.
hamnose 1 year ago
@hamnose Since you noticed I am a prolific "troller", you had ample opportunity to find actually denounce a policy statement of mine. You declined. You are an empty bag.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 What? Are you trying to say that I have had plenty of time to denounce a "policy statement" of yours? Now why in the fuck would I do that? But what's this, you have a "policy statement"? Oh really? What would that be? "Phony statistics you're a pinko boring talking points duh you're a pinko more lies you're a pinko falsified budget figures you must be a pinko and so on" Sorry I've already heard it, anybody can go to the sources to see what an ass you are. Hey your mom is calling.
hamnose 1 year ago
@hamnose Anyone can go up and read comments, and disagree. But you. You are a chicken shit.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Hey now that's a brilliant "policy statement" I had "ample opportunity to find actually denounce". Damn you are busy, spreading your venom even on Christmas Eve. What a trooper. Got any more? What have you got for Christmas? Kill all the poor? You're a pinko? I can't wait to see what's in my inbox.
hamnose 1 year ago
@hamnose Cant even come up with some corporitist BS? About how its OK for the poor to not pay anything, while someone else pays tens, hundreds of thousands? How "green" jobs are going to employ millions? How no healthcare is going to be better than expensive healthcare? How we spend more on healthcare than everyone else? We also spend more high definition TV, and I dont hear complaints. How Cheney made money by quitting Halliburton, making peanuts as VP? How Jesus is a pinko too, so its OK?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
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hamnose 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Jesus H Fucking Christ you wrote me on Christmas day!? What a fucking tool. I feel the hate but what the fuck are you trying to say? Can't you compose just one fucking sentence in an unequivocal manner? And did you ever notice that a spell checker is built into your browser? Fuck Cheney, fuck his 6 draft deferments, fuck his lesbo daughter and fuck you. I see you're engaged in another conversation and pulling the same shit out of your ass as you have been for several weeks. Piss off.
hamnose 1 year ago
@hamnose Even when I raise a half dozen potential pinko favorite subjects, you cant bring your self to discuss a policy argument for your precious Lib ideas. As for Cheney and the draft, it was five, not 6. John Kerry, Dem Pres candidate had 4 deferments, and failed to get his 5th. Of course, this is why he was in the service. There is NO difference between Kerry, the lying swiftboated" war hero and Cheney, except Kerry was too stupid to pull it off. Libertarians believe in a volunteer army.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Again what the fuck are you talking about? ...wait a minute I don't care.
But hey I keep forgetting how much we owe our freedom to heroes like you. I'm sorry war hero. I was wrong to be impressed by anyone who would run into enemy crossfire and risk his life to save a fellow American or do the same to save his boat and fellow sailors. What a coward! But you keep up the good fight here on youtube hero. Wow even on Christmas day. Give this asshole a medal of honor.
hamnose 1 year ago
@hamnose tsk, tsk...... 1) you know what I`m talking about 2) if you didnt care, you wouldnt reply. 3) Kerry would never had gone to the war either, because he tried to get his 5th deferment, was turned down. 4) There are many reasons to join the military, some noble, some not. 5) Kerry has not done anything important in his life, except marrying Heinz catsup capital. Cheney actually ran a corporation, that does things. Very few in govt ever did anything.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 No I don't know what you are talking about (who would?) and I don't care what you're talking about. For one thing you're a liar. And for another you're an asshole with his head up another asshole's asshole. And speaking of that asshole you love so much: Cheney was an incompetent executive. The only thing he did which benefited that vampire of a corporation was to use his position as vice president to get them an insider's no bid contract to thieve off the American people.
hamnose 1 year ago
@hamnose Clinton/ Gore gave Halliburton no-bid contract, when Cheney was CEO. Obama has given Halliburton no-bid contract as well. Know why, silly hater? Because they have been lw bidders, and get the job done better than anyone else. Realistically, there is only one other competitor, "Slumberger", a French Corp. But then, you already know that, and Halliburton is in 70 other nations, so it really doesnt matter what the US govt does, or doesnt do, now does it?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
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@luvcheney1 What a fucking lying sack of shit you are.
hamnose 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 And do you think I give a fuck about Clinton, Gore or even Kerry? I don't, but I'm not going to let a youtube bumpkin scoff at what is true heroism. This is in spite of the fact that I despise John Kerry. I care even less for a scumbag like Clinton. I'm calling you out for being the professional liar hater coward and general purpose piece of shit that you are. That's the real "debate" here as anyone can tell you.
hamnose 1 year ago
@hamnose I see nothing here in your post, except you dislike me, and think Kerry is a hero. The fact is, Kerry never went voluntarily, tried as hard as Cheney to stay home, with 4 deferrments, and a 5th that failed. Cheny`s 5th was accepted. Poor baby! Kerry`s contribution to the world was nothing. Libs overwhelmingly believe VietNam was wrong, evil. You support it? I doubt it. Running Halliburton helps military far more than Kerry.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
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@luvcheney1 "I see nothing here in your post, except you dislike me"? Poor baby, are my posts just like your posts? Wow so you're going to cry now? What a putz! And yeah knowing what it is like to be shot at, I have to say that what Kerry did was truly heroic and what you and your buddy Cheney do is truly cowardly. Hey there's an anal cyst on Cheney's ass. Get along now boy and do your duty. suck suck suck
hamnose 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 If the poor didn't have to pay anything, they wouldn't be poor.
chafenhimer 1 year ago
@mengwise36 Yea, lets just screw the corporations, the rich, and we can all just get unemployment and be happy.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
I bet you would make a perfect slave back in the days. Let's not talk bad about our master for he might not be happy with us.
mengwise36 1 year ago
@mengwise36 I`ve worked for 43 years, and it was always for guys with money, or corporations, or myself. You have a job, working for a Welfare Queen, or a homeless guy?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
Exactly. I bet none of the slaves worked for the poor or homeless back in the days. You would have made a perfect slave in deed.
Let me ask you another question. If US get invaded by say Mexico and you have worked for the occupiers for 43 years, does it make it OK for your country to be occupied in the first place?
mengwise36 1 year ago
@mengwise36 Your premise is silly. Might makes right is the correct premise. For example, Spain stole Mexico from the Indians, Mexicans stole the colony from Spain, and the US stole some of Mexico from the Mexicans. It had been stolen twice already, when the US stole it. AND, when the US stole the Southwest from Mexico, only 2% of Mexico`s population lived here. They were doing nothing with it. Good thing for Mexicans, that we stole it, otherwise southwest US wouldnt have jobs for them.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
Your lack of imagination is stunning. But I guess that is one qualification of a perfect slave. Good for you.
mengwise36 1 year ago
Money is an imaginary concept. It would not exist if we did not make it so. Our fiat monetary system is the largest dividing factor in the USA right now. Can you not see the big joke here. As a species we inflict the worst of atrocities against one an other over the imaginary number values we assign to all real things. From an objective point the way we let these numbers run our lives seems quit neurotic, and obsessive. Is it just a distraction so the mongers can keep their power?
devildad1620 1 year ago
@devildad1620 How do YOU want to allocate resources, without trading for things? Thats the function of money, to be able to TRADE.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Money is not essential to trade. All kinds of things can be traded.
devildad1620 1 year ago
@devildad1620 Explain how the line at the cash register at WalMart will work, when the guy in front of me has a cart full of stuff, and wants to pay with Marlboro cigarettes, when I want to buy a Beatles CD, and I have a bag of oranges. Doesnt this seem inefficient? You must realize, they already solved this problem in Mesopotamia, 4000 years ago. They paid in silver, with "coil money". You just snipped off the acceptable amount at purchase. The medium needs to be OK with general population
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@devildad1620 Yeah but it's the glue that holds everything together.
slitrobo 1 year ago
@slitrobo That is the neurosis we need to get over. Money holds nothing together. money is not glue. Money is just the number values we human assign to things.
devildad1620 1 year ago
@devildad1620 A vibrant economy needs money as a medium of exchange. Prices allocate goods and service, and a common money enables easy trade. Without an acceptable medium, trade slows, and standards of living will fall. Imagine a barter economy, with trade, internet sales, etc?? How about the line in WalMart, while a MGR evaluates the value of my pig. And wants to give me my change in oranges.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
I like the way you say, "Republican President Barak Obama".
appatel 1 year ago 2
when republicans are in office they calm the FUCK down. they are only a -7, obama in power the republicans are a -10 and obama is a -5 so we get a -15 and a giant clusterfuck
masterkayaki 1 year ago
This is a laugh. Dems have done this for years. Decades even.
jimisback 1 year ago
Adopt the Australian political system. If the elected party do not like the direction the leader of the party (and thus, the Prime Minister of the country) is taking, then they can have a no confidence vote, and potentially vote in a new leader. It doesn't happen often, but it happened only about 6 months ago.
You poor saps are stuck with this clown not only for the next 2 years, but probably as the Democratic candidate in 2012.
ijustwannawatchshite 1 year ago
@ijustwannawatchshite
We also have a preferential voting system which is 1000x times better. If both the parties are embarrassingly poor then a third party can actually get elected.
petieee 1 year ago
@petieee It's laughable that you think a third party candidate can actually get elected
I wish Obama wasn't the democratic candidate in 2012.
chafenhimer 1 year ago
@chafenhimer
Did you just completely ignore/not understand the first sentence I wrote?
A third party could easily get elected within a preferential voting system. Relatively easy anyway.
petieee 1 year ago
@petieee They wouldn't get elected for president. They barely even get elected for other offices. I'm not saying it's good, it sucks because I hate democrats and republicans. But that's how it is.
chafenhimer 1 year ago
@chafenhimer They wouldnt in the current system. 100% correct. Thats not what I was saying.
Once again, IF there was a preferential voting system (which American DOESNT have) THEN a third party could easily get elected as president.
petieee 1 year ago
@petieee In that case, I agree
chafenhimer 1 year ago
king obama 2012.
LibeRule 1 year ago
Finegold Grayson 2012?
DrQuijano 1 year ago
Is Obama a member of any of these secret societies (Freemasons 32nd degree, Bildebergers, Skull and Bones, Thule Society, Illuminati, Trilateral commission)? you know what never mind its pretty obvious he is working for the fucking elite's
KurtLang 1 year ago
@KurtLang Why are you dummies unaware that there are a few DEMS in the Senate, who will vote with Republicans on the tax issue? Obama IS a PINKO, but he can NOT get the bill NOW, without the cuts for the rich! IF he stands firm, he will get NOTHING, and in 1 month, WE Republicans will not even have to extend the stupid unemployment insurance!!! You Libs just do NOT under stand, voting matters, and Obama doent have the VOTES!! Pinkos LOSE!
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
Obama is far from being a pinko, he's not even a Progressive politician. He actually makes Reagan look like commie.
NaziGOPBallmer 1 year ago
@NaziGOPBallmer luv is so brainwashed, he can't tell his head from his arse!
leonvoltaire 1 year ago
@leonvoltaire
True, either that or he's actually smart but is just merely a sellout by siding with the Right-wing Corporatists all along.
NaziGOPBallmer 1 year ago
@leonvoltaire dude, nice avitar, a jesuit, the true controllers!
leonvoltaire 1 year ago
@NaziGOPBallmer Please take your medications, or is it you are so far left you are lost now?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
Please stop taking acid, it fries your brain you know. Didn't you learn that in school? It's not me being far to the left, you're the one that's far to the right one step short of living in an aristocratic country, the kind of system our founding fathers had fought against.
NaziGOPBallmer 1 year ago
@NaziGOPBallmer Yesterday, the US Senate, with a big Democrat majority, from Obama`s elction, voted 83- 15 in favor of Bush`s tax cuts. Compare REALITY with your perception. The TEA PARTY, a ridiculous movement in Libs eyes, stopmed Dems 1 month ago. You forgot?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
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@luvcheney1
...And your point is what exactly?
NaziGOPBallmer 1 year ago
@NaziGOPBallmer My point is exactly that you claim I am the one far to the right, but compared to what?? Certainly not VOTERS. The Congress overwhelmingly voted for ALL Bush tax cuts, after months of overwhelming support 98% of them. 98% or 100% is not a big deal. Congress actually loves Bush.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
Umm, let's see. YES, you ARE, compared to the times when this country actually prospered economically under Clinton. And it's no big surprise why Congress extended the Bush tax cuts. Most of the politicians both Democrat sellouts and Republican alike, are bought by Corporatists. They love helping out their rich buddies as long as they're paid handsomely. And as long as this system benefits only the rich, enjoy living in the Oligarchy States of America, sucker.
NaziGOPBallmer 1 year ago
@NaziGOPBallmer 50% of those filing income tax form pay 3% of income taxes. 35% of something is way more than 0% of something. You attitude is typical of looters. It is not YOUR responsibility, it is that of others. Value, for value. That is the market system. Your computer, car, electricity, all brought to you by men who thought of it, and helped fund the development of it, delivered it to you. And then still, you want to take even more. "Making money" is their idea, Rearranging it is yours..
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
"50% of those filing income tax form pay 3% of income taxes."
And who are these 50% you're referring to, the rich or the middle-class? The rich practically pay way less tax than the middle-class thanks to the Bush tax cuts. The so-call "trickle down economy" is smoke and mirrors and has been for the last decade, only a fucking moron would believe in that bullshit. (cont'd)
NaziGOPBallmer 1 year ago
@NaziGOPBallmer Median income. If you earn income at the median, the half who earn less than you pay 3% of taxes. The 50% above you pay 97%. As for Bush cuts, fully implemented in 2003, the total taxes paid by the richest 25% in 2001 (right as Bush entered) was 82.9% of all taxes. By 2007, after the evil tax cutting, they paid 86.6% of all taxes. See "SOI Tax Stats - Individual Income Tax Rates and Tax Shares", "Returns with positive Adjusted Gross Income", " table 5" This is IRS website
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@NaziGOPBallmer I will personal message you the URL, if you actually care. Unfortunately for you, the amount of taxes paid by the rich increased at the lower rates. In nominal dollars, % of GDP, % of all taxes paid as well. Logically, this is easy. In the 1950`s, top tax rate was 91%, and revenue to govt was 17.3% of GDP. Average of Bush term. was 17.4% of GDP, at 35% top tax rate. Tax Rev to Govt varies, based on recession, expansion, ( business cycle) so 60 yr test, using % of GDP is best.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@NaziGOPBallmer Please explain how money is actually made off the backs of the middle class. The process, not results. We may agree on something.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
The Bush tax cut is over half a trillion dollars and does nothing for the economy. The GOP wants to look elsewhere to cut the deficit and fund the Bush tax cuts. So they target programs that benefit the middle-class. The Social Security is one good example. It has over $2 trillion in surplus but it was spent on two wars and to extend the Bush tax cuts. They always lie that SS is unsustainable, but the truth is that they refuse to pay back what they owe. (cont'd)
NaziGOPBallmer 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
Remember when the GOP killed the public option? If it had passed, then the private insurance industries wouldn't have bled the middl-class dry of their life savings and leave them to die slowly. Instead, private insurance now could raise their rates and a mandate was implemented to force Americans to pay a fine if they didn't have health insurance.
NaziGOPBallmer 1 year ago
@NaziGOPBallmer Nations largest Health insurance corp is United Health (UNH), and makes about 5% profit on revenue. You stated "bled the middl-class dry of their life savings". Gee, a $500/ mo policy makes $25 profit! OMG! The Bush tax cuts on the rich, using Obama`s figures are $700 bill, in 10 yrs. Thats $70 bill annual! Now, if a rich guy cant give $10,000/ mo to his slut Mistress, that causes issues for landlord, utility co, grocery store, clothes stores, Caddy salesperson, Macy`s, etc.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@NaziGOPBallmer POINT is, if you tax away money from the rich, it doesnt get used, causes negative effects wherever it "would have" been used. The GOOD for the economy from that tax cash, is negatively balanced by the BAD from it being gone. There is NO net gain in the economy. You are taking a bucket of water from one end of the pool, then pouring it in the other. The level doesnt rise. Rich spend 88%- 102% of their incomes, so the idea poor spend more is 12% of $70 bill. $8.4 bill! Nothing!
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
"if you tax away money from the rich, it doesnt get used, causes negative effects wherever it "would have" been used."
Then explain why during the Clinton years when he taxed the top brackets did it help the middle-class grow, why it helped to create over 20 million jobs the GOP could only dream of, and why by the time he left office, did he leave the country with a budget surplus instead of a deficit. So where's this so-called "negative" effect you're talking about?
NaziGOPBallmer 1 year ago
@NaziGOPBallmer Clinton left office with a falling economy, Nasdaq Hi-tech index topped at $5400 3/2000, fell to $2400 by 1/012001, before Bush elected. Recession marked 3/2001 start, before Bush cut taxes, Nasdaq a leading indicator. Clinton came into office, as Bush Sr recession was ending. Taking figures from right after recession, to right before is not a truthful look at reality, any more than asking why Obama has lost jobs.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@NaziGOPBallmer Clinton had no control over recession ending as he came in, and expansion during his term was fueled by loose monetary policy, causing the recession in 2001. As for fiscal issues, Clinton cut Capital Gains from 28% to 20%, instituted Nafta, got welfare reformed, requiring work, and getting losers off it. ( sounds Rep??) He was able to get top rate to 39.6%, before Republican control of Congress under Newt came. But, Clinton had Rep Congress for 6 of his 8 yrs. Clinton &Newt= Rep
luvcheney1 1 year ago