The court ordered that the names, addresses, telephone numbers, e-mail addresses and Social Security numbers of every person who received materials on how to stop paying taxes be turned over to the government. The District Court issued an order holding We the People Foundation in contempt of court, imposing fines of $2,000 per day.
On May 5, 2008, Schulz filed a document with the court asserting that he had turned the material over to the United States attorney's office earlier that day.
Banister has never won a failure to file case. He pays his taxes.
On August 27, 2008, the United States Tax Court ruled that Banister was liable for federal income taxes and penalties for failure to file his 2002 federal income tax return and report, as income, over $23,000 in a distribution from a retirement plan and other income.
isn't alex jones tied in with Jews and Zionists for disinfo? Because he doesn't mention the vatican. And he says you are anti-semetic if you call him on the fact all the companies on his website are run by jews, including the networks that broadcast him. Just begiinning to realize this about Alex. Yeah, the Vatican, he won't touch it Apparently Alex is one of the "controlled opponents"
We now know that the NWO is the Chinese NWO since the Chinese hold the bulk of our national debt and only the Chinese have the trillions in savings to keep Obama's Eurosocialist agenda afloat.
So we need to round up the 1.3B Chinese and get them into FEMA camps to end the NWO for good.
I've been asking for Alex to identify which Chinese private bankers are the NWO since Alex claims to know the NWO.
So far Alex refuses to name the names of the NWO, leaving us the task of the 1.3B round up.
There are many groups like Bilderburgs, Council of Foreign relations, Trilateral commission and others not connected with Zionism. I'm just saying don't use your hatred of Jews and get it confused with the whole scheme of the NWO
This situation has no equal in American political history. Why has the United States been willing to set aside its own security in order to advance the interests of another state? One might assume that the bond between the two countries is based on shared strategic interests or compelling moral imperatives. As we show below, however, neither of those explanations can account for the remarkable level of material and diplomatic support that the United States provides to Israel.
Instead, the overall thrust of U.S. policy in the region is due almost entirely to U.S. domestic politics, and especially to the activities of the ISRAEL Lobby.. Other special interest groups have managed to skew U.S. foreign policy in directions they favored, but no lobby has managed to divert U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest would otherwise suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that U.S. and Israeli interests are essentially identical."
Look I understand that the United States gives too much respect to the Israelis when all they're doing is committing genocide against the Palestinian. I also understand that having them as an ally puts us in a place to protect everything they do destructive or not.
I'm saying that there is much more than the Ireali Zionists to blame for the NWO.
Fist off how am I conditions when I'm showing a great deal of post-conventionalism in my text.
If anything you're the one that blind by seeing one group for causing the destruction we have right now. Thats just as bad as saying its just the masons, or just the reptilians, illuminati, bilderburgers, CFR, Trilateral,or just the Roman catholic empire. Its a much bigger thing that just them.
just get this new world order crap over with already. Let them get into power so the real Lord can come back and blast them of the planet. Getting tired of this shitty world anyway. At least someone is gonna live a good life after its all said and done.All the evil morons will have there sould burned away
My wife is pregnant. My first child. I am very excited. As the law stands, she could get mad at me and go have an abortion without my knowledge or permission. This is wrong. Men should have a say. It is my child too.
I hope the men of the future will not have to ask that kind of question. Know whom you are joining your energy with. The truth is; sir - you do not know your wife very well. If you did, this would not be a concern. You would know her heart and integrity. God Bless you!
As a Jewish person I know that the idea of FEMA camps can seem unreal but in fact truth is stranger then fiction. I've commented before on these Alex Jones videos and I know that the ADL has tried to say that Alex is an anti-semite. I don't trust the ADL and I can tell you that the American public will never give up their guns because of what happened in Germany. Never again. If you think people are nuts and this is "conspiracy" talk I wish you could go back and interview people pre-WWII Germ.
i wish that GUYS would stop being so opinionated about abortion, when they can never know anything about what it's like to be pregnant. what if you're raped? by your father?
if you say it is killing LIFE, well then i've wiped entire civilizations off my chest with a crusty gym sock. if it's HUMAN life, well, where does the cell end, and the human begin? heart beat? brain activity? there are distinct biological checkpoints... either way, the option MUST be left open as a last resort.
it's not that i don't trust what he says most of the time, but a few lies makes you a liar regardless. even if they are petty. i feel he is genuine in his cause no doubt, but he discredits himself to a larger audience when he does lie. i accept credible knowledge and i trust he has a lot, but when he starts with the bullshit... he will end up hurting his own cause sooner or later becasue of it.
like i said, most are petty and unmemorable. anyway, i'm not trying to prove a point or debate. i'm just stating my slow increase of disbelief in AJ when i do hear them as with anyone. i remember that ultimate fighting comentator saying straight to AJ's face about how he thinks 30% of what he says is bullshit.
but a lack of belief in anything he says implys a huge step in conciousness, and if its pretty un memorable then why would it cause you to distrust news articles, I think what you are tapping into is what alot of people are tapping into and that is that alex jones is a warmongerer in his own perspective, he's to violent, and he doesn't talk enough about everyone growing gardens and everyone being independant, but hisjob is to relate the news to the erosion of civil liberty. but he's not a liar
no. i'm an avid listener and believer in most of what he says. that says enough i think, but... i mean it's not all that difficult to understand, if alex is on a rampage, which he does do, he starts spilling crap he can't back up. sometimes it happens. to me, that's better than the mass media concisely and premeditively lying to us almost exclusively. no insults, just a little criticism to AJ. but he can't help it.
Listen his older stuff. (I want to say, "don't judge him by his old stuff because he seems more real now,"but It's not wrong to question this man.)
I'm not attacking him, I listen to him, and some of what he says is true, but there's always stuff we don't know, and I do not trust every thing he says. Just a lot of the stuff reported in major news, but even they lie. Look at y2k
now he DOES mention being independant and growing gardens, but he doesn't emphasize the EXTREME IMPORTANCE OF THIS. imo the most important thing we can do is to take action in becoming independant in resources .. PERIOD!!! if people start connecting in communities at local levels and starting a community garden or something similar, providing free food in the community or anything to the like is the biggest fear of poeple who want to assume control, IT IS KEY.. NOT VIOLENCE. EVER..............
Yes, I was thinking that mysel as I listened this guy say: I am trying to fight the new world order, which sounds very fake to begin with, and Alex can TRY all he want for all his life wont do no good. Also, like you said, nonviolence is the key. Being aware of the lies is too. Dont think we can beat the NWO by being an oppe-same (David Icke) but by being a oppesite, that means no negativity-only love unconditional!
"way off in the distance, we can see a vision of an America's future that is far different than our troubled economic past." Do these words mean that will be 10 years misery and powerty,trouble Usa
i'm worried when alex jones rants lies. not that he's always lieing, but he gets way ahead of himself and starts on some unbelievable shit. i get the feeling that as he gets deeper and deeper into this, goes more and more crazy from all this (i'm going crazy from relatively minute info) he'll end up discrediting himself out of the limelight
it makes me think he's either an agent(knowing he's bullshitting), goes off unknowingly, or I don't know. Either way, as a listener I just can't tell.
I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but a few years ago I thought alex jones was pretty nutty. Now I'm lost for words how much what he's been saying is genuine. He's not perfect, but I'm really glad he's doing what he's doing.
could it be that the IRS come to your homes with drawn guns cause they know that you have every right to shoot them if they come into your house; cause the whole action of them is actually criminal? i would hope people would really just shoot them for tress passing!!!
Abortion is none of your business. And it's not murder. We're all together in the struggle against the New World Order, but religion is an affront to God and true spirituality, and when the N.W.O finally falls, may all of its hocus pocus caveman religions die with it.
fuck you cunt i dont want childern being killed. you stupid NWO puppet there plan is to reduce the worlds population by 90% and then control the population THROUGH abortion which is eugenics. study and educate yourself stupid fuck.
The issue is having your reproductive options controlled by the state. Whether you're being forced to give birth, or forced to abort a pregnancy, the issue is you're being FORCED to make those decisions. Get it? Probably not. Jerkoff. You wouldn't know tyranny if you were standing in a FEMA food line. Pro-life = Anti-Woman. fuckin braindead bible thumper
Yeah! The government forces dumb ugly girls to have sex and get pregnant.
paleopeneyes is a bright one!
Great thing about abortion is that it fucks up the woman's reproductive organs permanently so after a few serial kills they get what's coming to them.
Great thing about laws is they rarely matter to reality much. I have pro-choice to end your life, rookie. Cry about the law while you die. Like a Fetus.
Their busting the unions and implementing Socialism, now everyone must pay outrageous amounts every month to keep their own insurance, $1500 a month and some are having to pay $4000 to fight off cancer.
Thank you Alex and Joe for the clarity of your thoughts and message. Thank you for putting everything on the line. You both have been a true inspiration.
I think they are gona stage attacks on the Tax protest day iv been telling my friends for a lil while now. It will be the way they destroy the whole republican party - if you think this might be true spread the word you may stop it-
Freedom will start when people can produce their own power and energy. Will it be easy, no not really. Will it upset the big money and big bank and so on? You bet! But if we don't make those things local and controllable by single people or small groups we will always be at the mercy of the large whatevers. I don't mean we should try to destroy industry but taking control of making sure you can eat your machines will keep running and you can heat or cool as needed is vital.
And everything else as well as energy like farms and crops for food. There's nothing stopping every individual family unit on the globe becoming completely self determining and ethical (solar panels, private farms etc) and when that happens, government control of the people will disappear altogether without any force or violence
It's if you allow yourself to become self sufficient. The government has no way of combatting people becoming independent without being openly tyrannical and exposing themselves. The more troops and cops they send to innocent families on farms to punish and harass them for being self-sufficient, the more bad publicity the get = more people wake up. On the other hand, if they ignore it, everyone will escape their system. It's always lose-lose for the NWO and win-lose or win-win for the people
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On May 5, 2008, Schulz filed a document with the court asserting that he had turned the material over to the United States attorney's office earlier that day.
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isn't alex jones tied in with Jews and Zionists for disinfo? Because he doesn't mention the vatican. And he says you are anti-semetic if you call him on the fact all the companies on his website are run by jews, including the networks that broadcast him. Just begiinning to realize this about Alex. Yeah, the Vatican, he won't touch it Apparently Alex is one of the "controlled opponents"
pamaspamas 1 year ago
what are they talking about???
TheAnuKilla 2 years ago
We now know that the NWO is the Chinese NWO since the Chinese hold the bulk of our national debt and only the Chinese have the trillions in savings to keep Obama's Eurosocialist agenda afloat.
So we need to round up the 1.3B Chinese and get them into FEMA camps to end the NWO for good.
I've been asking for Alex to identify which Chinese private bankers are the NWO since Alex claims to know the NWO.
So far Alex refuses to name the names of the NWO, leaving us the task of the 1.3B round up.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago
ZIONISTS did 9/11, ZIONISTS RULE America.
The TRUTH is out there, all you have to do is look.
SATANSbankers 2 years ago
Don't just blame it on one group its the whole complex.
virus1244 2 years ago
You keep telling yourself that.
Meanwhile look up
The King David Hotel Bombing
The Rosenbergs Spies
The Lavon Affair
The USSLIBERTY
The IRGUN
SATANSbankers 2 years ago
There are many groups like Bilderburgs, Council of Foreign relations, Trilateral commission and others not connected with Zionism. I'm just saying don't use your hatred of Jews and get it confused with the whole scheme of the NWO
virus1244 2 years ago
PNAC Document
Harvard Study: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
Argentina
AIPAC
Keep looking
SATANSbankers 2 years ago
This situation has no equal in American political history. Why has the United States been willing to set aside its own security in order to advance the interests of another state? One might assume that the bond between the two countries is based on shared strategic interests or compelling moral imperatives. As we show below, however, neither of those explanations can account for the remarkable level of material and diplomatic support that the United States provides to Israel.
Harvard Study
SATANSbankers 2 years ago
Instead, the overall thrust of U.S. policy in the region is due almost entirely to U.S. domestic politics, and especially to the activities of the ISRAEL Lobby.. Other special interest groups have managed to skew U.S. foreign policy in directions they favored, but no lobby has managed to divert U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest would otherwise suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that U.S. and Israeli interests are essentially identical."
SATANSbankers 2 years ago
Look I understand that the United States gives too much respect to the Israelis when all they're doing is committing genocide against the Palestinian. I also understand that having them as an ally puts us in a place to protect everything they do destructive or not.
I'm saying that there is much more than the Ireali Zionists to blame for the NWO.
virus1244 2 years ago
I understand your point of view. Please look up just a few of the things I've listed.
SATANSbankers 2 years ago
You need to break out of your conditioned, programmed responses. The Truth is out there.
SATANSbankers 2 years ago
Fist off how am I conditions when I'm showing a great deal of post-conventionalism in my text.
If anything you're the one that blind by seeing one group for causing the destruction we have right now. Thats just as bad as saying its just the masons, or just the reptilians, illuminati, bilderburgers, CFR, Trilateral,or just the Roman catholic empire. Its a much bigger thing that just them.
virus1244 2 years ago
just get this new world order crap over with already. Let them get into power so the real Lord can come back and blast them of the planet. Getting tired of this shitty world anyway. At least someone is gonna live a good life after its all said and done.All the evil morons will have there sould burned away
MightyHawkDekelh 2 years ago
FEMA = Femur = Skull n Bones
NWOHomoCokeFiend 2 years ago
JT
I'm not German.
Ouch.
frickadele 2 years ago
Germans will never give up their guns ...
because they remember...
what happened to them.
Americans are virgins to the game.
frickadele 2 years ago
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texpat4jc
well ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
yeah.
frickadele 2 years ago
My wife is pregnant. My first child. I am very excited. As the law stands, she could get mad at me and go have an abortion without my knowledge or permission. This is wrong. Men should have a say. It is my child too.
texpat4jc 2 years ago
I hope the men of the future will not have to ask that kind of question. Know whom you are joining your energy with. The truth is; sir - you do not know your wife very well. If you did, this would not be a concern. You would know her heart and integrity. God Bless you!
55555annie 2 years ago
I am not concerned; just making a point. If you'ld like anyone to take you seriously, don't make silly assumptions about other peoples relationships.
texpat4jc 2 years ago
As a Jewish person I know that the idea of FEMA camps can seem unreal but in fact truth is stranger then fiction. I've commented before on these Alex Jones videos and I know that the ADL has tried to say that Alex is an anti-semite. I don't trust the ADL and I can tell you that the American public will never give up their guns because of what happened in Germany. Never again. If you think people are nuts and this is "conspiracy" talk I wish you could go back and interview people pre-WWII Germ.
devivortex 2 years ago
i agree with zapproowsdower
it has to be an option for at least some scenarios
we all know the reason for sex if to create life
there is always the possibility when doing it for pleasure that a child will be conceived, unless you use some sort of protection
personally i think people should take some responsibility for their actions and have the child
unless it has something to do with rape or will cause major health issues for the mother
lib3r8r 2 years ago
i wish that GUYS would stop being so opinionated about abortion, when they can never know anything about what it's like to be pregnant. what if you're raped? by your father?
if you say it is killing LIFE, well then i've wiped entire civilizations off my chest with a crusty gym sock. if it's HUMAN life, well, where does the cell end, and the human begin? heart beat? brain activity? there are distinct biological checkpoints... either way, the option MUST be left open as a last resort.
zapproowsdower 2 years ago
DEATH TO THE NWO
advil0069 2 years ago
a nation of sheep will be govern by a nation of wolfes well said alex
ENJOYOURMATRIXX 2 years ago
FEMA = Femur = Skull n Bones
ParasiticNWOElite 2 years ago
"Liberty is the engine of freedom" Your so right.
shiffty1032231 2 years ago
yet, I listen to him, knowing most of what he says is true, but you have to question everything.
baby13sc 2 years ago
it's not that i don't trust what he says most of the time, but a few lies makes you a liar regardless. even if they are petty. i feel he is genuine in his cause no doubt, but he discredits himself to a larger audience when he does lie. i accept credible knowledge and i trust he has a lot, but when he starts with the bullshit... he will end up hurting his own cause sooner or later becasue of it.
wonderfwuka 2 years ago
what are the lies though..? u have to mention them
TopSideUp 2 years ago
like i said, most are petty and unmemorable. anyway, i'm not trying to prove a point or debate. i'm just stating my slow increase of disbelief in AJ when i do hear them as with anyone. i remember that ultimate fighting comentator saying straight to AJ's face about how he thinks 30% of what he says is bullshit.
wonderfwuka 2 years ago
but a lack of belief in anything he says implys a huge step in conciousness, and if its pretty un memorable then why would it cause you to distrust news articles, I think what you are tapping into is what alot of people are tapping into and that is that alex jones is a warmongerer in his own perspective, he's to violent, and he doesn't talk enough about everyone growing gardens and everyone being independant, but hisjob is to relate the news to the erosion of civil liberty. but he's not a liar
TopSideUp 2 years ago
no. i'm an avid listener and believer in most of what he says. that says enough i think, but... i mean it's not all that difficult to understand, if alex is on a rampage, which he does do, he starts spilling crap he can't back up. sometimes it happens. to me, that's better than the mass media concisely and premeditively lying to us almost exclusively. no insults, just a little criticism to AJ. but he can't help it.
wonderfwuka 2 years ago
Listen his older stuff. (I want to say, "don't judge him by his old stuff because he seems more real now,"but It's not wrong to question this man.)
I'm not attacking him, I listen to him, and some of what he says is true, but there's always stuff we don't know, and I do not trust every thing he says. Just a lot of the stuff reported in major news, but even they lie. Look at y2k
baby13sc 2 years ago
i hear you.
baby13sc 2 years ago
now he DOES mention being independant and growing gardens, but he doesn't emphasize the EXTREME IMPORTANCE OF THIS. imo the most important thing we can do is to take action in becoming independant in resources .. PERIOD!!! if people start connecting in communities at local levels and starting a community garden or something similar, providing free food in the community or anything to the like is the biggest fear of poeple who want to assume control, IT IS KEY.. NOT VIOLENCE. EVER..............
TopSideUp 2 years ago
this i agree with 100%.
wonderfwuka 2 years ago
Yes, I was thinking that mysel as I listened this guy say: I am trying to fight the new world order, which sounds very fake to begin with, and Alex can TRY all he want for all his life wont do no good. Also, like you said, nonviolence is the key. Being aware of the lies is too. Dont think we can beat the NWO by being an oppe-same (David Icke) but by being a oppesite, that means no negativity-only love unconditional!
TheAnuKilla 2 years ago
"way off in the distance, we can see a vision of an America's future that is far different than our troubled economic past." Do these words mean that will be 10 years misery and powerty,trouble Usa
antonKASA2007 2 years ago
i'm worried when alex jones rants lies. not that he's always lieing, but he gets way ahead of himself and starts on some unbelievable shit. i get the feeling that as he gets deeper and deeper into this, goes more and more crazy from all this (i'm going crazy from relatively minute info) he'll end up discrediting himself out of the limelight
wonderfwuka 2 years ago
it makes me think he's either an agent(knowing he's bullshitting), goes off unknowingly, or I don't know. Either way, as a listener I just can't tell.
CAN'T TRUST NOBODY IN THIS LIFE PERIOD
baby13sc 2 years ago
I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but a few years ago I thought alex jones was pretty nutty. Now I'm lost for words how much what he's been saying is genuine. He's not perfect, but I'm really glad he's doing what he's doing.
abskebabs 2 years ago
In life.. only 2 things are certain....Death and taxes
Who came up with this little gem?
SeismicRealm 2 years ago
could it be that the IRS come to your homes with drawn guns cause they know that you have every right to shoot them if they come into your house; cause the whole action of them is actually criminal? i would hope people would really just shoot them for tress passing!!!
wdcsucks1 2 years ago
If you wana be as effective as possible, lose the whole pinhead pro life thing.
paleopeneyes 2 years ago
Abortion is none of your business. And it's not murder. We're all together in the struggle against the New World Order, but religion is an affront to God and true spirituality, and when the N.W.O finally falls, may all of its hocus pocus caveman religions die with it.
paleopeneyes 2 years ago
fuck you cunt i dont want childern being killed. you stupid NWO puppet there plan is to reduce the worlds population by 90% and then control the population THROUGH abortion which is eugenics. study and educate yourself stupid fuck.
zackgonnasurvivenwo 2 years ago
The issue is having your reproductive options controlled by the state. Whether you're being forced to give birth, or forced to abort a pregnancy, the issue is you're being FORCED to make those decisions. Get it? Probably not. Jerkoff. You wouldn't know tyranny if you were standing in a FEMA food line. Pro-life = Anti-Woman. fuckin braindead bible thumper
paleopeneyes 2 years ago
Yeah! The government forces dumb ugly girls to have sex and get pregnant.
paleopeneyes is a bright one!
Great thing about abortion is that it fucks up the woman's reproductive organs permanently so after a few serial kills they get what's coming to them.
Great thing about laws is they rarely matter to reality much. I have pro-choice to end your life, rookie. Cry about the law while you die. Like a Fetus.
realguy420 2 years ago
You should have been aborted. We'd be better off.
paleopeneyes 2 years ago
Their busting the unions and implementing Socialism, now everyone must pay outrageous amounts every month to keep their own insurance, $1500 a month and some are having to pay $4000 to fight off cancer.
KamikazeKoscki 2 years ago
how to we get back freedom and liberty
AmericaHowAreYa 2 years ago
A great guest to have on the show- documenting tyranny!
Steenville 2 years ago
TY AJ
nycflag 2 years ago
burn that fucken pyramid
MexicanPride555 2 years ago
Youtube Fema Pyramid of death
BeyonDisenfranchised 2 years ago
Alex Jones should raise an army and we will follow!
n1hmrd 2 years ago
Samari is definity needed at this point 500 foot dash to the white house.
KamikazeKoscki 2 years ago
Joe Banister is one cool dude!!!
webovisionca 2 years ago
have you ever stood up to the system ???i did and it aint pretty?? pray tell how we fight the men in black uniforms ??
erazerhedd 2 years ago
This guy's not fucking around, is he?
I love people with passion & commitment...
.......& Alex wreaks of it !!!
SeismicRealm 2 years ago
Thank you Alex and Joe for the clarity of your thoughts and message. Thank you for putting everything on the line. You both have been a true inspiration.
I can only hope that America gets the message.
littlemisspissy 2 years ago
Brilliant.
anyusmoon1 2 years ago 3
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I think they are gona stage attacks on the Tax protest day iv been telling my friends for a lil while now. It will be the way they destroy the whole republican party - if you think this might be true spread the word you may stop it-
ProFitofUnjustWorlds 2 years ago
tx for posting, alex.
donkey69donkey69 2 years ago 3
Freedom will start when people can produce their own power and energy. Will it be easy, no not really. Will it upset the big money and big bank and so on? You bet! But if we don't make those things local and controllable by single people or small groups we will always be at the mercy of the large whatevers. I don't mean we should try to destroy industry but taking control of making sure you can eat your machines will keep running and you can heat or cool as needed is vital.
scarmenl 2 years ago 7
Only from the grassroots efforts (as you describe) will we reinstate the American ingenuity and creative genius of NECESSITY.
Scarmenl you are so right! Industry is not the enemy it's industry/government combined, fascism that is bad.
anyusmoon1 2 years ago 3
And everything else as well as energy like farms and crops for food. There's nothing stopping every individual family unit on the globe becoming completely self determining and ethical (solar panels, private farms etc) and when that happens, government control of the people will disappear altogether without any force or violence
LTBL88 2 years ago
That is if the government allows you to become self sufficient.
poweroftheglory 2 years ago
It's if you allow yourself to become self sufficient. The government has no way of combatting people becoming independent without being openly tyrannical and exposing themselves. The more troops and cops they send to innocent families on farms to punish and harass them for being self-sufficient, the more bad publicity the get = more people wake up. On the other hand, if they ignore it, everyone will escape their system. It's always lose-lose for the NWO and win-lose or win-win for the people
LTBL88 2 years ago