On May, 2011 it has been accepted after many publishing that XMRv is a laboratory artifact and not a true retrovirus. Before XMRv was said to cause CFS and prostate cancer. But i'm sorry it simply doesn't exist... so how much this video si attendible?
Let's face it. If Lanka was not one of the more educated, rigorous, unbiased and disinterested scientists.. If he wasn't exposing the truth about virology, Concordance would not have felt he was a threat. He would not have taken a half week to produce this desperate defense of the nearly 28 year old bankrupt theory that claims "HIV" as the causative agent of AIDS.
Lanka says that there is not importance in counting "T" cells (cell mediated lymphocytes don't even exist) becauase they are supposedly busy doing their work in the tissues not the blood. But,informing your positivist, "$cience for the win",(a.k.a "Science for Profit and Power") type indoctrinated viewers of this fact might cost you views and your petty inome from youtube.
For Lanka disease is caused by toxins depriving the mitochondria of oxygen. He agrees with many of the points in German New Medicine but he does not confine the cause of disease to Psychological triggers. I agree with a lot of what German New Medicine proposes, mainly that there is no such thing as an immune system, but I don't agree with the emotional explanation of disease. There is no such thing as Viral Hepatitis. It is caused by toxins: prescription drugs, illicit drugs, Ethanol....
When molecuclar biologists in the 70's realized that RNA is transcribed to DNA in all body cells they could not give up the dogma of DNA to RNA so they created the illusion of Retroviruses to say that it is an exception and not the rule.
Nitrites are known oxidants within the epithelial lining of the blood vessels.
He studied marine biology and discovered that there is a stable "virus" host relationship. Not one sngle relevant virus has ever been purified, isolated and photographed with an electron microscope. There is not meaning to any "antibody test". They are used as indirect proof of "viruses" because there is no direct proof of their existence. We cannnot live without bacteria of all kinds. All bacteria are helpful.
COncOrdance doesn't have the brains to understand what Lanka (any molecular biologist in their own scientific paper writing; not this smear job) is talking about. It makes their feeble minds tilt and all they can do is fire up the A/V editing program and cut & paste a hissy fit.
what's disturbing is that all of these young graduates have been brainwashed by Molecular Dogma. They fail to take a few steps back from this minutiae of RNA, DNA, proteins and "antibodies" i.e molecules, and look at how disease is caused at the cellular level.
third video and I've seen all these assholes in one documentary, was it house of numbers? or something else, This fucking guy is an expert on Kelp viruses? christ allmighty, and we actually have someone using that retards name to argue here lol, unreal.
I'd just like to point out that Germany is a world leader in science, tech, and engineering, which is pretty amazing considering that their country was completely buttfucked by losing 2 world wars. I've spent quite some time there, and my impression was most of them are a lot smarter than the average American. I'm guessing for every Lanka and Duesberg there's 30 Kent Hovind types in the US.
The funny thing about this video is not the purported fails by Dr. Lanka but the fact that the video author failed in his research. Bactrim for a start acts by interfering with the action of bacterial dihydrofolate reductase, inhibiting synthesis of tetrahydrofolic acid which is an essential precursor in the de novo synthesis of the DNA nucleosides thymidine and uridine, starving bacteria as well as the human cells of two bases necessary for DNA replication and transcription.
S Lanka at 2:16 -- "Bactrim destroys the genetic material of the bacteria."
Me at 2:34 -- "Bactrim does not damage DNA, it blocks the synthesis of folate, which is used to MAKE new nucleotide bases."
Bactrim, by the way, is a brand-name co-trimoxazole, a combination of two drugs that block de novo folate synthesis and nucleoside scavenger pathways, not just a DHFR inhibitor.
@C0nc0rdance 1:25 Telomerase is one type of the reverse transcription. Any logical thinking person will understand, that using protease inhibitors will cause blocking telomerase also, such way causing killing of the cells and slow death of organism. What didn't you get at this point?
2:35 The folate acid protects DNA, so blocking folate acid synthesis causes DNA damage indirectly.
Taking sentences out of bigger interview with Stefan Lanka does not give to your movie clip any more glory!
RT is not a protease, it is an RNA dependent DNA polymerase, so I will assume you actually mean "nucleoside analogs". Telomerase activity in adults is at a very low level, except in cancer. The current generation nucleoside analogs have a higher affinity for HIV RT than telomerase, but it is a concern.
Environ Mol Mutagen. 2007 Apr-May;48(3-4):215-23.
It's "folate", or "folic acid", never "folate acid". Bactrim does not directly harm DNA. Lanka was wrong.
@C0nc0rdance The low activity does not mean that it is right to end normal cell replication process. He has not said that Bactrim affects directly DNA, he said Bactrim affects cell replication and harms this way DNA indirectly, as I already said. I seems to me you are trying to paint white to black. Corticosteroids are well known immune system supressors and so are stress hormones by the way. This is well studied and known to the public.
Yes, nucleoside analogs are toxic at high doses. No dispute there. Yet people live long and full lives on HAART.
He said quite clearly at 2:15, "this is why... they are so effective, because they are destroying the genetic material of the bacteria". This is false. Bactrim doesn't act on genetic material. It's a scavenger metabolism inhibitor. It's a simple mistake, but shows that he doesn't understand how the drugs work. Added to the other mistakes, he's not credible.
@C0nc0rdance 'It's a scavenger metabolism inhibitor. It's a simple mistake"
oooo Concordance, you're sooooo smart. what would we do without you to enlighten us? Explain in scientific language and in detail what 'scavenger metabolism' is, We can't wait to hear. No dose of nucleoside analogs are safe they are all toxic. HAART is a combination of Nucleoside Analgos along with Proease inhibitors. But there's one problem. No evidence exists for the existence of HIV, HTLV1 or HTLV2
Oh my lord why do you even bother with these white collar "science" distorters of truth?. They know what we are saying is the truth..It's not they who are stupid., Tthey know what they are doing (by spreading profitable lies). We are stupid for thinking that they need to be informed better but they don't want to be. This Concordance has his snout in the trough of Medisin and Big Pharma so that he can pay his rent and buy his frankent food,
@C0nc0rdance This is quite childish to compare your claim to the Stafan Lanka's claim. This is like if I said "long time starving will cause me to die" and then you said "this is not true, the lack of carbohydrates and fats will cause the death of cell, because of lack of energy". It is just that author is trying to explain things easier to understand.
@StefanLankaTalks Yeah, I agree with your points ! COncOrdance is just trying to act as if he's knows what he's talking about ! Shame he can't see the light in his eagerness to defend his own point of view ! My view: let the ignorant and brainwashed keep their faith in the drug industry and let them get toxic build up - if it doesn't harm us other naturalists ! Unfortunately, many medications ends up in lakes and water supply and affects us all. Sadly, Medicine is all about money !
If The Medical Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex Knew Anything About AIDS Millions of Corpses Wouldn't Litter The Earth and Billion$ Wouldn't Be Wasted Subsidizing The Drug Industry.
These Clowns Wasted 3 Decades Chasing The 'HIV Myth'.
not many people seem to agree with concordance... FAIL! this video was not made for altruistic reasons... FAIL! it is merely an empty attempt to discredit a man who speaks for many many people... FAIL!
I'll qualify it. HIV has never been purified or isolated which makes everything that COncordance and his supporters say completly meaningless. "For gods sake" shake off your corporate education indoctrination
Blocking the action of folate would be the same as inducing a functional deficiency. Lack of folate causes DNA strand breaks. In case you didn't know.
Bactrim does not block the ACTION of folate. It blocks the SYNTHESIS of folate. Folate deficiency does NOT cause DNA strand breaks. It blocks certain repair mechanisms and salvaging pathways that deal with the synthesis of new DNA.
Bacteria, unlike eukaryotes, are unable to heterotrophically metabolize folate from the environment. Blocking de novo synthesis of thymidine is toxic to them, but not to us.
Thus, his statement is factually wrong at every aspect. I'm embarrassed for him.
"Methyl donor deficiency [folate deficiency] induced DNA strand breakage in colonocytes isolated from all experimental groups"
Duthie SJ, Narayanan S, Brand GM, Grant G. DNA stability and genomic methylation status in colonocytes isolated from methyl-donor-deficient rats. Eur J Nutr. 2000;39:106-111
This paper has nothing to do with Bactrim. They fed a low-folate diet to rats, and there was more DNA strand breakage. The mechanism was clearly spelled out, methyl donor dependent breakage. It's hard to imagine where you think this supports your position.
"Folate is important for DNA synthesis and repair."
Absence of folate does NOT cause DNA strand breaks. It blocks the de novo synthesis of thymidine. Breaks occur by about six different mechanisms, simple hydrolysis, thymidine dimers, deamination and excision, for example. It is the repair that is blocked, there is no direct action on DNA.
The paper is referring to a measured endpoint by alkali gels. DNA strand breaks ACCUMULATE because repair is shut down.
Trimethoprim (ingredient of Bactrim) caused birth defects ("damage to DNA") in normal pregnancies (presumably not nutritionally compromised). Besides, as you pointed out, even the addition of a multivitamin supplement containing folate was not enough to significantly protect against the increased risk of birth defects from exposure to trimethoprim (Bactrim).
"Folic acid antagonists, which include such common drugs as trimethoprim [ingredient of Bactrim] [], may increase the risk not only of neural-tube defects, but also of cardiovascular defects, oral clefts, and urinary tract defects"
Hernández-Díaz S, Werler MM, Walker AM, Mitchell AA. Folic acid antagonists during pregnancy and the risk of birth defects. N Engl J Med. 2000 Nov 30;343(22):1608-14.
"Use of multivitamin supplements containing folic acid diminished the adverse effects of dihydrofolate reductase inhibitors, but not that of antiepileptic drugs."
Relative risk confidence interval with multivitamin supplementation was [0.6 -- 3.8]. Any RR that overlaps 1 is not significant.
This is actually how the role of folate in NTDs was discovered.
Yes, components of Bactrim act to block folate synthesis, which is important in DE NOVO (from new") synthesis of thymidine. It does not block dietary uptake and utilization of folate in our cells. So long as we supplement with folate, our cells can make new DNA.
Bacteria can NOT take up folate from their environment. They MUST synthesize it de novo from precursors. Thus, they die, we live.
It is not as simple as that. I have presented evidence that supports my original comment (see above).
In addition, it is empirical evidence that trimethoprim (ingredient of Bactrim) is harmful in pregnancy (increases risk of birth defects). The most likely explanation is that it interferes with folate metabolism and methylation or DNA synthesis.
Google Dr. Anthony Morris, FDA. The first 38 hits are anti-vaccine sites. I, for one, am skeptical of the claims one finds on alt-health sites.
The quote was reportedly from 1976, on the Donahue show, and was specifically in reference to the Pandemic Flu of 1976. Morris was never a "Vaccine Control Officer" (no such position), he was a staff microbiologist in the FDA Division of Biological Controls in the 50's and 60's.
If you can prove in an international court of law that the "HIV" really exist, just sue Stefan Lanka and shut him up, dont be coward .... FACTS! not words, or not serious videos... Concordance you are just bluffing, i think that is a big mistake that a site like You Tube publish your not serious bluffings videos.
Goviel, On what grounds would C0n sue Lanka? You can't sue someone for being an idiot. If you want to talk about court cases, however, look at the Parenzee trial. Denialists from the Perth group were deemed incompetent to serve as expert witnesses due to their COMPLETE lack of qualifications in the field of HIV. In other words, like other denialists including Lanka, they didn't know what the heck they were talking about. There, now you have a little court case. Enjoy!
goviel: Name a court of law that has jurisdiction over this. In fact, just name an "international court of law" that doesn't just deal with crimes against humanity.
And what grounds would C0nc0rdance have to sue? He did not personally suffer damages from Lanka's claims. An HIV-infected person may have grounds for a lawsuit, but even that would not impact Lanka's freedom of speech.
Lawsuits are not the answer here. The answer is education, and that's exactly what C0nc0rdance is doing.
Indeed please do cite your peer reviewed evidence for this. You say we'll deny this but if you want to make a claim you need evidence. Where did you find yours?
Oh no. You've exposed me for a coward. How can I possibly ever recover.
Oh! wait, it appears that there is some sort of crazy clause in the law that I can't sue someone unless I can prove they have materially harmed me. And since I'm not a credulous fool, I've never taken this algae guy's advice on my health.
I think it's fairly simple to demonstrate that 95% of what this guy says is bullshit. KS is NOT caused by nitrites. Stress does NOT cause AIDS. Those are tested and disproved.
With 'HIV' they say you are 'positive' only when you have reached a very high level of antibodies. Below this level, you are said to be negative.
And.. When 'health' authorities do the 'HIV' antibody te$t, they dilute the sample to 1/40 of its original strength: if they didn't do that, all the samples would test positive!
So.. OPEN YOUR EYES!
''IT'S EASIER TO DESINTEGRATE AN ATOM THAN A PREJUDICE'', Albert Einstein.
In 'HIV' antibody testing, it's clear that the antibodies that are detected in the test are present in everybody.
Some people have them in higher concentrations, and some in lower concentrations, but only when you reach a very high level of antibodies -much higher than in any other antibody testing - are you considered to be 'positive'. This is a contradiction! (Because in other antibody test$, the lower your level of antibodies, the higher your risk for a symptomatic infection).
you dont have to get molecular to believe hiv/aids is a myth look around you and ask yourself. Is there an epidemic? How many people do you know that acquired a virus from sex then got ill without taking drugs and died. I dont know anyone who has hiv/aids i dont know anyone that knows anyons with hiv/aids. Only people sick from smoking, drugs, fast food, heavy alcohol, "The important thing is not to stop questioning" Albert Einstein And remember this one Denial its a banana shaped apple.
Try Christine Maggiore, then. She was an outspoken denialist, took no meds or anything, and lived a very healthy lifestyle. She ate all organic, didn't believe in HIV or anything. She dies of AIDS anyway in December of 2008 with disseminated herpes, a condition that does not occur in immunocompetent people. Denialists had to claim it was "stress" despite a complete lack of evidence that it is capable of causing those symptoms. Hope this helps!
Checkmate, eh? According to Christine herself, she didn't take any HIV related medication. Do you have any proof that "they" (who is they by the way) poisoned her or is this simply a baseless conspiracy theory? Mycoplasma doesn't lead to disseminated herpes. Very few things do: AIDS, immune-suppressants and certain cancers will but she only had one of those three.
So please, provide proof of this conspiracy to "poison" her. Who did it, why, when, and evidence to support your claim.
This is half true, because you are missing the fact, that she did a detoxification procedure, that is very risky and should not be done and or cancelled on any appearance of disease. Stress after the death of her daughter had certanly influence on the disease. She died from pneumonia not from herpes. Thougt I never heard anyone pass away from herpes.
Maggiore's death certificate states that the cause of death was disseminated herpes virus infection and bilateral pneumonia, with oral candidiasis as a contributing cause, all of which are related to HIV infection.
Disseminated herpes means it was everywhere it could grow. It's not a sign of stress. It's complete immune collapse. This woman died of immunocompromise, just like her daughter.
The main causes of AIDS-patient deaths are pneumonia, Kaposi's sarcoma and in Africa the Tuberculosis. Now that "herpes over the body" sounds more like Kaposi's sarcoma to me. We have no accurate information, if she used or was exposed to the nitrits (that are causing KS for mice, as science knows).
In 1994, Yuan Chang, Patrick S. Moore, and Ethel Cesarman at Columbia University in New York isolated genetic pieces of a virus from a KS lesion.... [They used] DNA fragments as starting points to sequence the rest of the viral genome in 1996. This, the eighth human herpesvirus (HHV-8)—now known as Kaposi's sarcoma-associated herpesvirus (KSHV)—has since been found in all KS lesions tested, and is considered the cause of the disease.
Perhaps there are other things you are unaware of?
If I were using the same tactics as the denialists, I would be screaming in all capitals, "Another failed prediction of the chemically induced model of AIDS!"
But I'm afraid that it's just an example of selective acceptance of evidence. We, the virologists who study this disease, refuse to debate denialists, and that has led to an accumulation of false statements and assertions not supported by evidence.
Are there any other points I can address? I'd like to clear up misunderstandings.
Colman, Rachel and Blackbourn, David J. "Risk factors in the development of Kaposi's Sarcoma." AIDS Volume 22(13), 20 August 2008, p. 1629-1632. "Besides increasing sex drive and potentially sexual behaviors associated with KSHV transmission, recreational amyl nitrite use may alter T-cell function, increasing vulnerability to infectious agents and perhaps expression of angiogenic VEGF, important in KS development."
I'm sorry to point your attention here at the Warburg hypothesis and also point out that nitrites include NO2- ions, that are causing cancer (in this case KS). I'd like to believe that this causes KS only in the mice, but the information is not convincing.
The action of nitrite is as a damaging radical and ROI generator. It is not specific to any single cancer, and is no more responsible for KS than NSCLC.
Suppressing T cell function does not, alone, lead to any form of cancer. The virus causes the specific cancer, the immune system fails to clear it.
This is a case of a contributing factor, the quantitative contribution can be debated, but nitrites are not a primary or sufficient etiology of KS.
Yes, correct! This radical reacts with oxygen and causes metabolic oxydation outside of the mitocondria.
So supressing of the T-cell function does not cause immune system supression in point of your view?? Anyway, there is no exact evidence if the virus is the cause or consequence of KS. I am just pointing out, there are 2 theories of viruses...
There is no question that nitrites are capable of suppressing expression of certain cellular pathways via tyrosine kinase signal transduction.
But so are a lot of other factors and drugs. And there is the question of how much suppression, at what dosage, and so forth. TK signal transduction is a very fast kinetic.
The virus is causal based on animal and cell culture models. You should read the papers if you want to learn more. Start with the 1994 paper.
According to the Montagnier's oxidative theory, the oxidizers are very important in the development of AIDS. If it has cumulative effect, then the dosage is not the most important factor and this should be studied more, as this could stop the AIDS.
I believe you are referring to the "cofactor hypothesis" which Montagnier was not the first to propose.
This has proven to be such a nebulous concept that it is difficult, but not impossible, to test. I don't think oxidative damage or redox state is one of the primary mechanisms, except in extreme environmental toxicity, and the difference is in cell type specific decreases.
I'm a bit confused: Do you have a question about cofactors, or are you trying to make a point about nitrites?
I am concidering now buying some lab mice and poppers to make some tests to see in practice if this hypothesis is truth or not. I think the problem may be to give correct doseage of nitrits to the mice. If I will make this experiment, I will most certanly make video because noone has done it yet.
Yes and yes! If high doses for short period of time will cause KS and low doses for long period of time will cause immune depression, then I will get some answers.
AIDS Res Hum Retroviruses. 2009 Feb;25(2):149-56.
Recreational drug use and risk of Kaposi's sarcoma in HIV- and HHV-8-coinfected homosexual men.
We did not observe any clear association with KS for recent use of any of the four drugs. However, no clear dose-response relationship was observed. These findings do not support a biological association between use of these substances and KS development in HIV- and HHV-8-coinfected homosexual men.
rp, the point to this whole series of claims you have made and the references that C0n provides is that there is much more evidence out there than what you read on denialist sites. If you stick to reading nothing but denialist sites you receive very little (or no) real information other than the blatherings of people with no qualifications to do so. If you are truly interested in learning, perhaps it would help to keep this in mine. Of course if all you want to do is repeat BS then have at it.
What's your point? I was talking about KS and it's cause. Also I was talking about immunity. My point is, that currently medicine is based on the chemical industry and information is so contradictory (on viruses, retroviruses and immunity defiance). So stop BS'-ing me and to talk all again about Maggiore (it was not my point) or I have to ignore your messages. If you have well documented sources about experiments on KS, then you are welcome!
I was referring to your previous post talking about Maggiore's "detox" with the insinuation that it played a role in her death. As I said, if you have evidence that it, or the stress of her daughters death is capable of causing disseminated herpes please do tell. Otherwise if you prefer to stick to KS then please reference your proof that nitrites cause KS in humans since you have not done so yet so we can all read it. You do have said proof, right?
As C0n mentioned, her death certificate also states she died as a result of disseminated herpes. Do you have evidence to back up your claim that the "detox procedure" contributed to something seen only in those severely immune-suppressed or is this simply a rationalization you read on denialist sites and accepted because it supports your beliefs? You are right that most people don't die from herpes, only those with AIDS, certain cancers and immunesuppressive therapy. Which did she have?
Somehow I cannot repost my previous post, but you should open all comments and search for all my posts to understand better my point. The Maggiore case is not in my interest, I'm more interested in the studies about connection between nitrites and KS.
I'm not having much luck with posts lately either, no worries. If you are looking up KS and its causes with an open mind then godspeed. However, if you are using denialist sites as a primary source of information then you are headed in the wrong direction. I would suggest by reading some of the references C0n sited. It would be a good place to start.
Really, do a query on PubMed or Google Scholar for HHV8. There is no question that HHV8 is implicated in a causative role in KS. It may also be a cofactor in a few other diffuse neoplasias.
The evidence on this is 9 years old, and VERY strong. The mechanism is via Fas/capase pathways via a new protein encoded by HHV8 called kaposin. It appears there were concurrent epidemics of HHV8 and HIV-1 occurring in the same populations in the 80's.
Lanka did not know what quantitative PCR was (I doubt you do either). What the hell kind of virologist makes that kind of statement? It isn't an "English pronunciation" thing; he was just flat wrong. And you are simply vomiting back denialist crap that has long ago been debunked. The quote you attribute to Montagnier, have you looked at the context of what he was talking about? He was speaking about a specific time. He did not say it was never isolated.
HIV has been isolated many times since then in many labs over the world. Read this paper for example: "Molecular characterization of human immunodeficiency virus type 1 cloned directly from uncultured human brain tissue- identification of replication-competent and -defective viral genomes." Li Y et al.
In this paper they isolate (yep) proviral sequences from the brain of a recently deceased AIDS patient and how that they are fully replication competent. Isolation and propagation =)
4) Lanka is a German Doctor of Natural Science, Biologist, Molecular Biologist and, what is decisive: he is a VIROLOGIST.
He was the first person in the world that discovered a marine-virus, the EsV.
5) Luc Montagnier (the alleged discoverer of the HIV-virus) admitted in 1997 that the HIV-virus has not been isolated. In other words it has not been proven to exist.
(1997; interview by Djamel Tahi; Paris, France; 'Sida, Le Doute' ).
4. He has published three papers on a virus of kelp. This does not qualify him to participate in the discussion of HIV/AIDS. His former boss, R Knippers, has 79 publications. Stefan has 3.
5. You are misquoting and misrepresenting. Luc Montagnier does not support your assertion, as has been repeated many times by Dr. Montagnier, and you misrepresent what he has said.
You have brought nothing useful or original to the discussion. Why not do some reading before spamming my video?
1) English is not my native language.. Please understand this...
2) You could also understand that brave and GENIUS Dr. Stefan Lanka got an English pronunciation that is not 'perfect'.
3) 'Second half of a posting': PLEASE NOTE THAT I posted MY OWN first two (2) points of MY OWN comment, but evidently, some technical issue made that just points 2 and 3 were available. So PAY ATTENTION for what I will say right now (it continues)
c0nc0rdance: Since this video about HIV / AIDS, and the voodoo man says it's a myth; I have interesting question for you; I've read on Wikipedia (I know, that's not the most reliable source), that WHO, (and I've seen their site, that it does) supports male circumcision as additional prevention in HIV .
How much is the actual truth behind this? How much difference does it make?
It's one of those hard-to-grasp kind of calculations. Suppose you have a 5 in 10,000 chance of hetero sexual transmission uncircumcised.
With circumcision, the rate of transmission drops to 3 in 10,000. The difference is somewhat small for a single person. It's only in aggregate in large populations that it makes any difference (300 cases vs. 500 cases).
So, the epidemiologist prefers circumcision, the physician doesn't care. Make sense?
"Over 18 months, 165 of the uncircumcised men (8 percent) but only 2 of the circumcised men (1 percent) acquired HIV, even though both groups reported similar frequencies of unprotected sex and sex with prostitutes." March 27, 2005 Lancet
Foreskin contains a lot of the kind of cells that HIV likes to infect, and it can provide a safe environment for virus. It also acts as a reservoir of virus for infecting others. The specific cells are CD4 and Langerhans cells.
No direct evidence of HIV? Are you really serious about this? You can buy stocks of characterized HIV virus from manufacturers or find hundreds of fully sequenced genomes freely available online from labs around the world. The only people who claim that there is no evidence HIV exists are those who lack knowledge of biology. It is sad that you are apparently one of those people; biology is such a fascinating subject. Oh but I suppose it is all a huge global conspiracy, right?
It concerns both the REAL Health Care and many Economy factors too:
THE MYTH of the (so called) "HIV".
The USA are wasting MILLIONS AND MILLIONS on something INEXISTANT.
I am not crazy.
I am talking about the necessary recovery of our country (and the world).
Apart from two american Nobel Prize winners (Walter Gilbert and Kary Mullis), the main SCIENTIFICAL AUTHORITY who UNVEILS THE BIGGEST lie of our times, is the pioneer on...
Here's what Walter Gilbert wrote on April 4th 2006:
"I am afraid that those comments [about HIV skepticism] go back to the late 80s. At that time I was a skeptic...
Today I would regard the success of the many antiviral agents which lower the virus titers (to be expected) and also resolve the failure of the immune system (only expected if the virus is the cause of the failure) as a reasonable proof of the causation argument."
Walter Gibert is a "rethinker" who actually did some rethinking.
We need to do some emailing to get statements from the other "celebrity endorsers". Do they, 15 years later, still propose that the jury is still out?
Google "a moment of science: well, someone had to do it". The letter is reproduced in full in the comments section.
Robert Root Bernstein, author of "Rethinking AIDS - the tragedy of premature consensus" now accepts that HIV is essential to AIDS, although he believes that cofactors are also needed.
Similar with physician and outspoken critic Joseph Sonnabend who describes his views on antiretrovirals in detail in "Treating HIV is rarely an emergency: an interview with Joseph Sonnabend"
Ethicist Udo Schuklenk talks about his brush with AIDS denialism in an excellent article: "Professional responsibilities of biomedical scientists in public discourse" from the Journal of Medical Ethics (downloadable free). It's one of my favorites.
My English is not the best, but me (AND A GROWING NUMBER OF FREE INDIVIDUALS AROUND THE WORLD) clearly understand the difference between a fact and A MYTH:
1) WHERE the old Gilbert said that?
2) NOTHING CHANGES by a simple sentence made by any person.
3) YOU COULD WIN THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS if YOU could DEMONSTRATE the existence of that `HIV`; and/or any proof,(any validity) that the 'test$' are useful.
4) Just ask your friend C0nc0rdance WHAT I told him last time.
I'm afraid videoclipsx is a person with an illness or disorder. I've had to block him because he has become increasingly agitated both in postings on my channel and in personal messages. I hope he gets better.
That's because this isn't a scientific debate, and Stefan Lanka isn't a scientist. He's a publisher of books on alternative health and conspiracy theory.
My goal was to highlight his lack of qualifications and understanding. I have created other videos where I present some research data examples on HIV.
The scientific debate on HIV has been conducted in peer-reviewed journals between educated scientists, comparing evidence produced in laboratories. Not by Youtubers.
If you really have doubts about the science behind HIV/AIDS, PM me. I will try to find an HIV lab near you that you can visit. They can show you what they do, what the evidence is, and why denialism is empty conspiracy theory that has done great harm.
I'm serious. If you have doubts, let me help you visit an HIV research lab.
I see. So of all the millions of videos on YouTube, you have chosen to come to mine, watch it, make a comment, and act as arbiter of what is appropriate for a debate. Perhaps you would be happier if you just went somewhere else? Perhaps a news site or HealthBoards?
The main SCIENTIFICAL AUTHORITY who UNVEILS THE BIGGEST lie of our times, is the pioneer on discovering a marine virus ('EsV'). I mean, the German Doctor of Natural Science, Biologist, Molecular Biologist and, what is decisive for this item, Virologist, STEFAN LANKA.
PLEASE NOTE that Luc Montagnier recognized that he never had isolated any 'HIV' virus. (1997; interview by Djamel Tahi; Paris, France). We must ask OURSELVES two main things:
1) Why so vehemently defend something for which there are not only no proofs but also no necessity.. and which has pushed millions of people into fear of a retroviral plague transmitted through sex and blood?
2) Why do "HIV"-virologists never subject their 'viruse$' to the same generally accepted standard techniques of molecular biology as all other virologists and biologists do?
I've been very patient with you videoclipsx. I've patiently answered questions and directed you to evidence.
When you post crap like this, the second half of a posting which makes no sense, it's very hard to believe that you are a rational, intelligent person.
May I suggest you get some education on the topic of biology and virology, and then ask coherent questions about the science of HIV/AIDS? Why don't you start with a science journal or biology textbook?
I watched it again and it really baffles me how he doesn't even know what reverse transcriptase is..because that's even in the German high school curriculum and he must've come across it during his school years lol
Actually the CD4 cells and CD8 cells are balanced. When CD4 cell level is low, then CD8 cell level is high. Also in the healthy body, most of the T-cells stay in the bone marrow not in the blood.
He is not connected to the "German New Medicine". Their virus theory is different.
And who are you to disregard him? Yes, he denies that viruses are causing diseases, but also he explains what causes diseases. Have you personally studied his publications?
Is this guy's PhD in Language & Literature? I'm a layman with a liberal arts degree, and even *I* know his science is faulty! It's just 1 step away from UFOs Built the Pyramids!
I had a friend translate some of his German language videos, which are filled with references to the Vatican, the wisdom of ancient "witch" medicine, and the dangers of vaccination.
It's "Woo", crazy fantasy dressed up in a lab coat.
For the record, he does have a PhD in virology, and three published papers on a kelp virus, one as first author. This would be about typical for a grad student, so I'm guessing he stopped researching after he left school.
What you call "German New Medicine" doesn't say that Trauma causes this and that. This fairy tale is spread everywhere, but that's just not part of the first rule.
I understand you though, because the sources on the net about the topic are all rubbish. I'm glad to personally know some of the "forefront", who really really understand all this stuff, so I could personally learn, and then saw how bad all this stuff on the net is. If you wanna get into it, you know where to find me
On May, 2011 it has been accepted after many publishing that XMRv is a laboratory artifact and not a true retrovirus. Before XMRv was said to cause CFS and prostate cancer. But i'm sorry it simply doesn't exist... so how much this video si attendible?
LordNetzwerk 10 hours ago
a hit piece, lol AS if, and none of you so called "educated" smart people will change their mind, lost causes
hitcan79 2 weeks ago
Let's face it. If Lanka was not one of the more educated, rigorous, unbiased and disinterested scientists.. If he wasn't exposing the truth about virology, Concordance would not have felt he was a threat. He would not have taken a half week to produce this desperate defense of the nearly 28 year old bankrupt theory that claims "HIV" as the causative agent of AIDS.
dialectical44 4 weeks ago
@dialectical44 Lol either you're joking or you have no clue what the hell is the point of this channel.
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Lanka says that there is not importance in counting "T" cells (cell mediated lymphocytes don't even exist) becauase they are supposedly busy doing their work in the tissues not the blood. But,informing your positivist, "$cience for the win",(a.k.a "Science for Profit and Power") type indoctrinated viewers of this fact might cost you views and your petty inome from youtube.
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For Lanka disease is caused by toxins depriving the mitochondria of oxygen. He agrees with many of the points in German New Medicine but he does not confine the cause of disease to Psychological triggers. I agree with a lot of what German New Medicine proposes, mainly that there is no such thing as an immune system, but I don't agree with the emotional explanation of disease. There is no such thing as Viral Hepatitis. It is caused by toxins: prescription drugs, illicit drugs, Ethanol....
dialectical44 1 month ago
When molecuclar biologists in the 70's realized that RNA is transcribed to DNA in all body cells they could not give up the dogma of DNA to RNA so they created the illusion of Retroviruses to say that it is an exception and not the rule.
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Nitrites are known oxidants within the epithelial lining of the blood vessels.
He studied marine biology and discovered that there is a stable "virus" host relationship. Not one sngle relevant virus has ever been purified, isolated and photographed with an electron microscope. There is not meaning to any "antibody test". They are used as indirect proof of "viruses" because there is no direct proof of their existence. We cannnot live without bacteria of all kinds. All bacteria are helpful.
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And next ladies and gentlemen concordan$e will explain in excruciating detail how 2 + 2 =5
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dialectical44 1 month ago
I smell a nasty little jew behind this hit piece.
parasitesarefunny 1 month ago
@parasitesarefunny that's your rotten socks, oh wash behind the ears also, shit man were you raised in a barn?
hitcan79 2 weeks ago
OMG the jokes at the end were horrible but funny as hell ;) :P LOVE IT.
dangyent 6 months ago
COncOrdance doesn't have the brains to understand what Lanka (any molecular biologist in their own scientific paper writing; not this smear job) is talking about. It makes their feeble minds tilt and all they can do is fire up the A/V editing program and cut & paste a hissy fit.
RenoDoctor 8 months ago
@RenoDoctor
what's disturbing is that all of these young graduates have been brainwashed by Molecular Dogma. They fail to take a few steps back from this minutiae of RNA, DNA, proteins and "antibodies" i.e molecules, and look at how disease is caused at the cellular level.
dialectical44 4 weeks ago
Nice hit piece. Didn't work on me though.
theonlyexpert 8 months ago
@theonlyexpert
then don't call it "nice"
dialectical44 4 weeks ago
third video and I've seen all these assholes in one documentary, was it house of numbers? or something else, This fucking guy is an expert on Kelp viruses? christ allmighty, and we actually have someone using that retards name to argue here lol, unreal.
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@Allen10579
You are inestimably ilinformed. You acutally watched the documentaries and still assert "HIV"is the causative agent? Lanka is a paleo virologist FYI
dialectical44 4 weeks ago
I'd just like to point out that Germany is a world leader in science, tech, and engineering, which is pretty amazing considering that their country was completely buttfucked by losing 2 world wars. I've spent quite some time there, and my impression was most of them are a lot smarter than the average American. I'm guessing for every Lanka and Duesberg there's 30 Kent Hovind types in the US.
kyebean 9 months ago
The funny thing about this video is not the purported fails by Dr. Lanka but the fact that the video author failed in his research. Bactrim for a start acts by interfering with the action of bacterial dihydrofolate reductase, inhibiting synthesis of tetrahydrofolic acid which is an essential precursor in the de novo synthesis of the DNA nucleosides thymidine and uridine, starving bacteria as well as the human cells of two bases necessary for DNA replication and transcription.
LGJamster 1 year ago
@LGJamster
So, which do you feel is more correct:
S Lanka at 2:16 -- "Bactrim destroys the genetic material of the bacteria."
Me at 2:34 -- "Bactrim does not damage DNA, it blocks the synthesis of folate, which is used to MAKE new nucleotide bases."
Bactrim, by the way, is a brand-name co-trimoxazole, a combination of two drugs that block de novo folate synthesis and nucleoside scavenger pathways, not just a DHFR inhibitor.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance 1:25 Telomerase is one type of the reverse transcription. Any logical thinking person will understand, that using protease inhibitors will cause blocking telomerase also, such way causing killing of the cells and slow death of organism. What didn't you get at this point?
2:35 The folate acid protects DNA, so blocking folate acid synthesis causes DNA damage indirectly.
Taking sentences out of bigger interview with Stefan Lanka does not give to your movie clip any more glory!
StefanLankaTalks 10 months ago
@StefanLankaTalks
RT is not a protease, it is an RNA dependent DNA polymerase, so I will assume you actually mean "nucleoside analogs". Telomerase activity in adults is at a very low level, except in cancer. The current generation nucleoside analogs have a higher affinity for HIV RT than telomerase, but it is a concern.
Environ Mol Mutagen. 2007 Apr-May;48(3-4):215-23.
It's "folate", or "folic acid", never "folate acid". Bactrim does not directly harm DNA. Lanka was wrong.
C0nc0rdance 10 months ago
@C0nc0rdance The low activity does not mean that it is right to end normal cell replication process. He has not said that Bactrim affects directly DNA, he said Bactrim affects cell replication and harms this way DNA indirectly, as I already said. I seems to me you are trying to paint white to black. Corticosteroids are well known immune system supressors and so are stress hormones by the way. This is well studied and known to the public.
StefanLankaTalks 10 months ago
@StefanLankaTalks
Yes, nucleoside analogs are toxic at high doses. No dispute there. Yet people live long and full lives on HAART.
He said quite clearly at 2:15, "this is why... they are so effective, because they are destroying the genetic material of the bacteria". This is false. Bactrim doesn't act on genetic material. It's a scavenger metabolism inhibitor. It's a simple mistake, but shows that he doesn't understand how the drugs work. Added to the other mistakes, he's not credible.
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@C0nc0rdance 'It's a scavenger metabolism inhibitor. It's a simple mistake"
oooo Concordance, you're sooooo smart. what would we do without you to enlighten us? Explain in scientific language and in detail what 'scavenger metabolism' is, We can't wait to hear. No dose of nucleoside analogs are safe they are all toxic. HAART is a combination of Nucleoside Analgos along with Proease inhibitors. But there's one problem. No evidence exists for the existence of HIV, HTLV1 or HTLV2
dialectical44 4 weeks ago
@StefanLankaTalks
Oh my lord why do you even bother with these white collar "science" distorters of truth?. They know what we are saying is the truth..It's not they who are stupid., Tthey know what they are doing (by spreading profitable lies). We are stupid for thinking that they need to be informed better but they don't want to be. This Concordance has his snout in the trough of Medisin and Big Pharma so that he can pay his rent and buy his frankent food,
dialectical44 4 weeks ago
@C0nc0rdance This is quite childish to compare your claim to the Stafan Lanka's claim. This is like if I said "long time starving will cause me to die" and then you said "this is not true, the lack of carbohydrates and fats will cause the death of cell, because of lack of energy". It is just that author is trying to explain things easier to understand.
StefanLankaTalks 9 months ago
@StefanLankaTalks Yeah, I agree with your points ! COncOrdance is just trying to act as if he's knows what he's talking about ! Shame he can't see the light in his eagerness to defend his own point of view ! My view: let the ignorant and brainwashed keep their faith in the drug industry and let them get toxic build up - if it doesn't harm us other naturalists ! Unfortunately, many medications ends up in lakes and water supply and affects us all. Sadly, Medicine is all about money !
skyler7p 9 months ago
Lols at the Jokes.
Robtehman 1 year ago
...so watch out for an scientist, a person well known for his knowledge in retroviruses, peter duesberg!!!
sutusmihaly 1 year ago
This Author must be a hiv tester. lol
toeblarone 1 year ago
Man, what an idiot... kinda ankward to be a fellow countryman.
At least, the pope has a way bigger bodycount an behalf of HIV/AIDS as Lanka and Duesberg together.
...Damn, he`s german too... wait, no, hes [i]bavarian[/i] *phew*
Yeah, "Neue Medizin" is a lot of woo but officialy called fraud (just as homöopathy lastly)
12thcenturyfox 1 year ago
cringed all the way through. there are no good science jokes.
franzpolak 1 year ago
Go Stephen Lanka!
If The Medical Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex Knew Anything About AIDS Millions of Corpses Wouldn't Litter The Earth and Billion$ Wouldn't Be Wasted Subsidizing The Drug Industry.
These Clowns Wasted 3 Decades Chasing The 'HIV Myth'.
DenmarkVesey1822 1 year ago
not many people seem to agree with concordance... FAIL! this video was not made for altruistic reasons... FAIL! it is merely an empty attempt to discredit a man who speaks for many many people... FAIL!
alidonli 2 years ago
you FAIL, hard
guteo 1 year ago
@guteo- what the fuck are you talking about? qualify your statement with something for gods sake. "you fail hard" means nothing without definition.
alidonli 1 year ago
@alidonli
I'll qualify it. HIV has never been purified or isolated which makes everything that COncordance and his supporters say completly meaningless. "For gods sake" shake off your corporate education indoctrination
dialectical44 4 weeks ago
@guteo - meaning what? qualify the statement "you fail hard" with something relevant, otherwise it means nothing.
alidonli 1 year ago
i heard better and uncut interviews with lanka and he makes sence.
utubersquestions 2 years ago
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Stefan Lanka is a courageous man. Concordance is a blind follower.
canaan1967 2 years ago
Concordance.sorry dont know what that means and im not going to look it up.
utubersquestions 2 years ago
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Concordance is the channel name. He has conspiracy phobia and works for the medical mafia i expect
canaan1967 2 years ago
@utubersquestions
Stefan Lanka ROCKS!
canaan1967 2 years ago
yup think so too
utubersquestions 2 years ago
@canaan1967 Thank you!
StefanLankaTalks 1 year ago
Google Rodney Richards for his word on so called HIV tests, and Janine Roberts for her book Fear Of The Invisible
beggarz 2 years ago
Gallo's original papers were found fraudulent by Congressional Committee over 15 years ago!!! John Crewsdon Chicago Tribune told that story.
You Tube Montagnier's latest statement that a healthy immune system can fight off HIV easily.
beggarz 2 years ago
Blocking the action of folate would be the same as inducing a functional deficiency. Lack of folate causes DNA strand breaks. In case you didn't know.
joakimoi 2 years ago
Bactrim does not block the ACTION of folate. It blocks the SYNTHESIS of folate. Folate deficiency does NOT cause DNA strand breaks. It blocks certain repair mechanisms and salvaging pathways that deal with the synthesis of new DNA.
Bacteria, unlike eukaryotes, are unable to heterotrophically metabolize folate from the environment. Blocking de novo synthesis of thymidine is toxic to them, but not to us.
Thus, his statement is factually wrong at every aspect. I'm embarrassed for him.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
"Methyl donor deficiency [folate deficiency] induced DNA strand breakage in colonocytes isolated from all experimental groups"
Duthie SJ, Narayanan S, Brand GM, Grant G. DNA stability and genomic methylation status in colonocytes isolated from methyl-donor-deficient rats. Eur J Nutr. 2000;39:106-111
joakimoi 2 years ago
This paper has nothing to do with Bactrim. They fed a low-folate diet to rats, and there was more DNA strand breakage. The mechanism was clearly spelled out, methyl donor dependent breakage. It's hard to imagine where you think this supports your position.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
You stated "Folate deficiency does NOT cause DNA strand breaks".
I presented evidence to support that "Lack of folate causes DNA strand breaks".
joakimoi 2 years ago
Eur J Nutr. 2000;39:106-111
"Folate is important for DNA synthesis and repair."
Absence of folate does NOT cause DNA strand breaks. It blocks the de novo synthesis of thymidine. Breaks occur by about six different mechanisms, simple hydrolysis, thymidine dimers, deamination and excision, for example. It is the repair that is blocked, there is no direct action on DNA.
The paper is referring to a measured endpoint by alkali gels. DNA strand breaks ACCUMULATE because repair is shut down.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
This is a description of the mechanism through which the "Lack of folic acid" can cause (indirectly) "DNA strand breaks".
joakimoi 2 years ago
Okay, I see what you are saying, and I can see your point.
Bactrim 'causes' DNA damage in nutritionally compromised animals in the same sense that low city funding 'causes' potholes.
But, again, only in cases where the person has no access to dietary folate.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Trimethoprim (ingredient of Bactrim) caused birth defects ("damage to DNA") in normal pregnancies (presumably not nutritionally compromised). Besides, as you pointed out, even the addition of a multivitamin supplement containing folate was not enough to significantly protect against the increased risk of birth defects from exposure to trimethoprim (Bactrim).
joakimoi 2 years ago
*otherwise normal pregnancies
joakimoi 2 years ago
"Folic acid antagonists, which include such common drugs as trimethoprim [ingredient of Bactrim] [], may increase the risk not only of neural-tube defects, but also of cardiovascular defects, oral clefts, and urinary tract defects"
Hernández-Díaz S, Werler MM, Walker AM, Mitchell AA. Folic acid antagonists during pregnancy and the risk of birth defects. N Engl J Med. 2000 Nov 30;343(22):1608-14.
joakimoi 2 years ago
N Engl J Med. 2000 Nov 30;343(22):1608-14.
"Use of multivitamin supplements containing folic acid diminished the adverse effects of dihydrofolate reductase inhibitors, but not that of antiepileptic drugs."
Relative risk confidence interval with multivitamin supplementation was [0.6 -- 3.8]. Any RR that overlaps 1 is not significant.
This is actually how the role of folate in NTDs was discovered.
Didn't you read these papers?
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
It is irrelevant whether the multivitamin supplement was protective or not. Maybe the dosage was too low?
The increased risk of congenital defects after exposure to inhibitors of dihydrofolate reductase was significant.
joakimoi 2 years ago
It should be obvious now that Bactrim also is toxic to humans and it is due to its interference with folate metabolism.
joakimoi 2 years ago
Your understanding is as poor as Stefan's.
Yes, components of Bactrim act to block folate synthesis, which is important in DE NOVO (from new") synthesis of thymidine. It does not block dietary uptake and utilization of folate in our cells. So long as we supplement with folate, our cells can make new DNA.
Bacteria can NOT take up folate from their environment. They MUST synthesize it de novo from precursors. Thus, they die, we live.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
It is not as simple as that. I have presented evidence that supports my original comment (see above).
In addition, it is empirical evidence that trimethoprim (ingredient of Bactrim) is harmful in pregnancy (increases risk of birth defects). The most likely explanation is that it interferes with folate metabolism and methylation or DNA synthesis.
So it doesn't really matter what you believe.
joakimoi 2 years ago
Many doctors & scientists now do not support Tamiflu lol!
Dr. Anthony Morris, a distinguished virologist and former Chief
Vaccine Office at the U.S. Federal Drug Administration (FDA), states
that There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far
developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of
influenza and that The producers of these vaccines know they... are
worthless, but they go on selling them anyway.
lomi1 2 years ago
Tamiflu isn't a vaccine, it's an antiviral drug.
Google Dr. Anthony Morris, FDA. The first 38 hits are anti-vaccine sites. I, for one, am skeptical of the claims one finds on alt-health sites.
The quote was reportedly from 1976, on the Donahue show, and was specifically in reference to the Pandemic Flu of 1976. Morris was never a "Vaccine Control Officer" (no such position), he was a staff microbiologist in the FDA Division of Biological Controls in the 50's and 60's.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
If you can prove in an international court of law that the "HIV" really exist, just sue Stefan Lanka and shut him up, dont be coward .... FACTS! not words, or not serious videos... Concordance you are just bluffing, i think that is a big mistake that a site like You Tube publish your not serious bluffings videos.
goviel 2 years ago
Goviel, On what grounds would C0n sue Lanka? You can't sue someone for being an idiot. If you want to talk about court cases, however, look at the Parenzee trial. Denialists from the Perth group were deemed incompetent to serve as expert witnesses due to their COMPLETE lack of qualifications in the field of HIV. In other words, like other denialists including Lanka, they didn't know what the heck they were talking about. There, now you have a little court case. Enjoy!
PoodleStomper1 2 years ago
goviel: Name a court of law that has jurisdiction over this. In fact, just name an "international court of law" that doesn't just deal with crimes against humanity.
And what grounds would C0nc0rdance have to sue? He did not personally suffer damages from Lanka's claims. An HIV-infected person may have grounds for a lawsuit, but even that would not impact Lanka's freedom of speech.
Lawsuits are not the answer here. The answer is education, and that's exactly what C0nc0rdance is doing.
teqwc 2 years ago
The KS is connected to the cortico-molecules or cortisol reaction with the nitrite molecules. Now this is what you will most definetly deny.
rpdigital17 2 years ago
Please cite the peer-reviewed, scientific study that established this, or frankly, why should I care what crazy, wrong ideas you have?
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Indeed please do cite your peer reviewed evidence for this. You say we'll deny this but if you want to make a claim you need evidence. Where did you find yours?
PoodleStomper1 2 years ago
Concordance says that Stefan Lanka is wrong.
But Concordance have to sue Stefan Lanka in a court of law to prove his disprove.
We know that Concordance won´t sue Stefan Lanka because Concordance can´t prove in a court of law that "HIV Virus" really exist.
Concordance is hidding behind a computer because he doesn´t sue Stefan Lanka in a court of law.
Thank you.
Have a nice day.
chrisyoga 2 years ago
Oh no. You've exposed me for a coward. How can I possibly ever recover.
Oh! wait, it appears that there is some sort of crazy clause in the law that I can't sue someone unless I can prove they have materially harmed me. And since I'm not a credulous fool, I've never taken this algae guy's advice on my health.
I think it's fairly simple to demonstrate that 95% of what this guy says is bullshit. KS is NOT caused by nitrites. Stress does NOT cause AIDS. Those are tested and disproved.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Those jokes are awesome :D
MelleB90 2 years ago
(Here I continue):
With 'HIV' they say you are 'positive' only when you have reached a very high level of antibodies. Below this level, you are said to be negative.
And.. When 'health' authorities do the 'HIV' antibody te$t, they dilute the sample to 1/40 of its original strength: if they didn't do that, all the samples would test positive!
So.. OPEN YOUR EYES!
''IT'S EASIER TO DESINTEGRATE AN ATOM THAN A PREJUDICE'', Albert Einstein.
videoclipsx 2 years ago
I'm going to block you because I've asked you to stop spamming repeatedly.
For your information, here are the sample dilutions for common serum ELISAs:
transferrin 1:2000
albumin 1:400,000
isotyping IgG 1:10,000
hepatitis B 1:100,000
1:40 dilution is a lower dilution factor than almost any ELISA on serum. That's because the test is designed to be very sensitive.
Your statement reflect your complete lack of knowledge about bioassays. Smart people look at evidence, they don't react mindlessly
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
LISTEN:
In 'HIV' antibody testing, it's clear that the antibodies that are detected in the test are present in everybody.
Some people have them in higher concentrations, and some in lower concentrations, but only when you reach a very high level of antibodies -much higher than in any other antibody testing - are you considered to be 'positive'. This is a contradiction! (Because in other antibody test$, the lower your level of antibodies, the higher your risk for a symptomatic infection).
videoclipsx 2 years ago
Funny jokes at the end there.
Too bad Stefan Lanka isn't selling anything to you. When was the last time you saw a Stefan Lanka infomercial?
And as far as stress and AIDS...my goodness do you have some learning to do.
Sorry, nice try but you butchered this "expose" pretty badly.
paradigm667 2 years ago
oh yeah, mangelhaft (German for You FAIL DOUCHE BAG)
bioamature 2 years ago
i could see how he has a point about stress, but the levels that are being discussed are practically negligible.
bioamature 2 years ago
COncOrdance, again, stop spamming with these videos dear ....
the circus is calling for you ....
they need more clowns ....
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offthahook08 2 years ago
I won't wander into your crazy little world, but I would like to correct your spelling and grammar:
"Where you get" = "Where DID you get"
"scene" = "seen"
"buss" = "bust"
"rebutal" = "rebuttal"
"agent" = "???"
"saw pig jump" = "saw A pig jump" or "saw THE pig jump"
"Its" = "It's" or "It is"
"dont" = "don't"
Being batspit insane is no excuse for bad grammar and spelling. Have a nice day!
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
you dont have to get molecular to believe hiv/aids is a myth look around you and ask yourself. Is there an epidemic? How many people do you know that acquired a virus from sex then got ill without taking drugs and died. I dont know anyone who has hiv/aids i dont know anyone that knows anyons with hiv/aids. Only people sick from smoking, drugs, fast food, heavy alcohol, "The important thing is not to stop questioning" Albert Einstein And remember this one Denial its a banana shaped apple.
mselliot2 2 years ago
Try Christine Maggiore, then. She was an outspoken denialist, took no meds or anything, and lived a very healthy lifestyle. She ate all organic, didn't believe in HIV or anything. She dies of AIDS anyway in December of 2008 with disseminated herpes, a condition that does not occur in immunocompetent people. Denialists had to claim it was "stress" despite a complete lack of evidence that it is capable of causing those symptoms. Hope this helps!
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offthahook08 2 years ago
Checkmate, eh? According to Christine herself, she didn't take any HIV related medication. Do you have any proof that "they" (who is they by the way) poisoned her or is this simply a baseless conspiracy theory? Mycoplasma doesn't lead to disseminated herpes. Very few things do: AIDS, immune-suppressants and certain cancers will but she only had one of those three.
So please, provide proof of this conspiracy to "poison" her. Who did it, why, when, and evidence to support your claim.
PoodleStomper1 2 years ago
This is half true, because you are missing the fact, that she did a detoxification procedure, that is very risky and should not be done and or cancelled on any appearance of disease. Stress after the death of her daughter had certanly influence on the disease. She died from pneumonia not from herpes. Thougt I never heard anyone pass away from herpes.
rpdigital17 2 years ago
Maggiore's death certificate states that the cause of death was disseminated herpes virus infection and bilateral pneumonia, with oral candidiasis as a contributing cause, all of which are related to HIV infection.
Disseminated herpes means it was everywhere it could grow. It's not a sign of stress. It's complete immune collapse. This woman died of immunocompromise, just like her daughter.
The face of denialism.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
The main causes of AIDS-patient deaths are pneumonia, Kaposi's sarcoma and in Africa the Tuberculosis. Now that "herpes over the body" sounds more like Kaposi's sarcoma to me. We have no accurate information, if she used or was exposed to the nitrits (that are causing KS for mice, as science knows).
rpdigital17 2 years ago
Kaposi's sarcoma has been shown to be caused by HHV8 (human herpesvirus 8), now known as KSHV, which is not a herpes simplex virus.
Nitrites do not cause Kaposi's in vivo. This hypothesis was tested and rejected two decades ago.
HHV8 is another sign of immunocompromise.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
This is interesting, it causes KS in mice, but not in vivo. This is scientific view, right?
rpdigital17 2 years ago
In 1994, Yuan Chang, Patrick S. Moore, and Ethel Cesarman at Columbia University in New York isolated genetic pieces of a virus from a KS lesion.... [They used] DNA fragments as starting points to sequence the rest of the viral genome in 1996. This, the eighth human herpesvirus (HHV-8)—now known as Kaposi's sarcoma-associated herpesvirus (KSHV)—has since been found in all KS lesions tested, and is considered the cause of the disease.
Perhaps there are other things you are unaware of?
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
If I were using the same tactics as the denialists, I would be screaming in all capitals, "Another failed prediction of the chemically induced model of AIDS!"
But I'm afraid that it's just an example of selective acceptance of evidence. We, the virologists who study this disease, refuse to debate denialists, and that has led to an accumulation of false statements and assertions not supported by evidence.
Are there any other points I can address? I'd like to clear up misunderstandings.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Colman, Rachel and Blackbourn, David J. "Risk factors in the development of Kaposi's Sarcoma." AIDS Volume 22(13), 20 August 2008, p. 1629-1632. "Besides increasing sex drive and potentially sexual behaviors associated with KSHV transmission, recreational amyl nitrite use may alter T-cell function, increasing vulnerability to infectious agents and perhaps expression of angiogenic VEGF, important in KS development."
rpdigital17 2 years ago
I'm sorry to point your attention here at the Warburg hypothesis and also point out that nitrites include NO2- ions, that are causing cancer (in this case KS). I'd like to believe that this causes KS only in the mice, but the information is not convincing.
rpdigital17 2 years ago
The action of nitrite is as a damaging radical and ROI generator. It is not specific to any single cancer, and is no more responsible for KS than NSCLC.
Suppressing T cell function does not, alone, lead to any form of cancer. The virus causes the specific cancer, the immune system fails to clear it.
This is a case of a contributing factor, the quantitative contribution can be debated, but nitrites are not a primary or sufficient etiology of KS.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Yes, correct! This radical reacts with oxygen and causes metabolic oxydation outside of the mitocondria.
So supressing of the T-cell function does not cause immune system supression in point of your view?? Anyway, there is no exact evidence if the virus is the cause or consequence of KS. I am just pointing out, there are 2 theories of viruses...
rpdigital17 2 years ago
There is no question that nitrites are capable of suppressing expression of certain cellular pathways via tyrosine kinase signal transduction.
But so are a lot of other factors and drugs. And there is the question of how much suppression, at what dosage, and so forth. TK signal transduction is a very fast kinetic.
The virus is causal based on animal and cell culture models. You should read the papers if you want to learn more. Start with the 1994 paper.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
According to the Montagnier's oxidative theory, the oxidizers are very important in the development of AIDS. If it has cumulative effect, then the dosage is not the most important factor and this should be studied more, as this could stop the AIDS.
rpdigital17 2 years ago
I believe you are referring to the "cofactor hypothesis" which Montagnier was not the first to propose.
This has proven to be such a nebulous concept that it is difficult, but not impossible, to test. I don't think oxidative damage or redox state is one of the primary mechanisms, except in extreme environmental toxicity, and the difference is in cell type specific decreases.
I'm a bit confused: Do you have a question about cofactors, or are you trying to make a point about nitrites?
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
I am concidering now buying some lab mice and poppers to make some tests to see in practice if this hypothesis is truth or not. I think the problem may be to give correct doseage of nitrits to the mice. If I will make this experiment, I will most certanly make video because noone has done it yet.
Yes and yes! If high doses for short period of time will cause KS and low doses for long period of time will cause immune depression, then I will get some answers.
rpdigital17 2 years ago
AIDS Res Hum Retroviruses. 2009 Feb;25(2):149-56.
Recreational drug use and risk of Kaposi's sarcoma in HIV- and HHV-8-coinfected homosexual men.
We did not observe any clear association with KS for recent use of any of the four drugs. However, no clear dose-response relationship was observed. These findings do not support a biological association between use of these substances and KS development in HIV- and HHV-8-coinfected homosexual men.
There's more, if you need more.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
rp, the point to this whole series of claims you have made and the references that C0n provides is that there is much more evidence out there than what you read on denialist sites. If you stick to reading nothing but denialist sites you receive very little (or no) real information other than the blatherings of people with no qualifications to do so. If you are truly interested in learning, perhaps it would help to keep this in mine. Of course if all you want to do is repeat BS then have at it.
PoodleStomper1 2 years ago
What's your point? I was talking about KS and it's cause. Also I was talking about immunity. My point is, that currently medicine is based on the chemical industry and information is so contradictory (on viruses, retroviruses and immunity defiance). So stop BS'-ing me and to talk all again about Maggiore (it was not my point) or I have to ignore your messages. If you have well documented sources about experiments on KS, then you are welcome!
rpdigital17 2 years ago
I was referring to your previous post talking about Maggiore's "detox" with the insinuation that it played a role in her death. As I said, if you have evidence that it, or the stress of her daughters death is capable of causing disseminated herpes please do tell. Otherwise if you prefer to stick to KS then please reference your proof that nitrites cause KS in humans since you have not done so yet so we can all read it. You do have said proof, right?
PoodleStomper1 2 years ago
As C0n mentioned, her death certificate also states she died as a result of disseminated herpes. Do you have evidence to back up your claim that the "detox procedure" contributed to something seen only in those severely immune-suppressed or is this simply a rationalization you read on denialist sites and accepted because it supports your beliefs? You are right that most people don't die from herpes, only those with AIDS, certain cancers and immunesuppressive therapy. Which did she have?
PoodleStomper1 2 years ago
Somehow I cannot repost my previous post, but you should open all comments and search for all my posts to understand better my point. The Maggiore case is not in my interest, I'm more interested in the studies about connection between nitrites and KS.
rpdigital17 2 years ago
I'm not having much luck with posts lately either, no worries. If you are looking up KS and its causes with an open mind then godspeed. However, if you are using denialist sites as a primary source of information then you are headed in the wrong direction. I would suggest by reading some of the references C0n sited. It would be a good place to start.
Best of luck.
PoodleStomper1 2 years ago
Really, do a query on PubMed or Google Scholar for HHV8. There is no question that HHV8 is implicated in a causative role in KS. It may also be a cofactor in a few other diffuse neoplasias.
The evidence on this is 9 years old, and VERY strong. The mechanism is via Fas/capase pathways via a new protein encoded by HHV8 called kaposin. It appears there were concurrent epidemics of HHV8 and HIV-1 occurring in the same populations in the 80's.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
videoclipsx,
Lanka did not know what quantitative PCR was (I doubt you do either). What the hell kind of virologist makes that kind of statement? It isn't an "English pronunciation" thing; he was just flat wrong. And you are simply vomiting back denialist crap that has long ago been debunked. The quote you attribute to Montagnier, have you looked at the context of what he was talking about? He was speaking about a specific time. He did not say it was never isolated.
PoodleStomper1 2 years ago
HIV has been isolated many times since then in many labs over the world. Read this paper for example: "Molecular characterization of human immunodeficiency virus type 1 cloned directly from uncultured human brain tissue- identification of replication-competent and -defective viral genomes." Li Y et al.
In this paper they isolate (yep) proviral sequences from the brain of a recently deceased AIDS patient and how that they are fully replication competent. Isolation and propagation =)
PoodleStomper1 2 years ago
So...
4) Lanka is a German Doctor of Natural Science, Biologist, Molecular Biologist and, what is decisive: he is a VIROLOGIST.
He was the first person in the world that discovered a marine-virus, the EsV.
5) Luc Montagnier (the alleged discoverer of the HIV-virus) admitted in 1997 that the HIV-virus has not been isolated. In other words it has not been proven to exist.
(1997; interview by Djamel Tahi; Paris, France; 'Sida, Le Doute' ).
PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE FOLLOWING POST...
videoclipsx 2 years ago
4. He has published three papers on a virus of kelp. This does not qualify him to participate in the discussion of HIV/AIDS. His former boss, R Knippers, has 79 publications. Stefan has 3.
5. You are misquoting and misrepresenting. Luc Montagnier does not support your assertion, as has been repeated many times by Dr. Montagnier, and you misrepresent what he has said.
You have brought nothing useful or original to the discussion. Why not do some reading before spamming my video?
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
* Dear C0nc0rdance AND PoodleStomper1 *
1) English is not my native language.. Please understand this...
2) You could also understand that brave and GENIUS Dr. Stefan Lanka got an English pronunciation that is not 'perfect'.
3) 'Second half of a posting': PLEASE NOTE THAT I posted MY OWN first two (2) points of MY OWN comment, but evidently, some technical issue made that just points 2 and 3 were available. So PAY ATTENTION for what I will say right now (it continues)
videoclipsx 2 years ago
c0nc0rdance: Since this video about HIV / AIDS, and the voodoo man says it's a myth; I have interesting question for you; I've read on Wikipedia (I know, that's not the most reliable source), that WHO, (and I've seen their site, that it does) supports male circumcision as additional prevention in HIV .
How much is the actual truth behind this? How much difference does it make?
wolfhowlmedia 2 years ago
It's one of those hard-to-grasp kind of calculations. Suppose you have a 5 in 10,000 chance of hetero sexual transmission uncircumcised.
With circumcision, the rate of transmission drops to 3 in 10,000. The difference is somewhat small for a single person. It's only in aggregate in large populations that it makes any difference (300 cases vs. 500 cases).
So, the epidemiologist prefers circumcision, the physician doesn't care. Make sense?
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Heh. I would be lying, if I'd say it makes perfect sense. But I understand the numbers.
However; I'm more interested in knowing how is circumcision preventing the body fluid transfer. How does it work, that the HIV isn't transferred?
wolfhowlmedia 2 years ago
"Over 18 months, 165 of the uncircumcised men (8 percent) but only 2 of the circumcised men (1 percent) acquired HIV, even though both groups reported similar frequencies of unprotected sex and sex with prostitutes." March 27, 2005 Lancet
Foreskin contains a lot of the kind of cells that HIV likes to infect, and it can provide a safe environment for virus. It also acts as a reservoir of virus for infecting others. The specific cells are CD4 and Langerhans cells.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
You wouldn't know by chance where could I read the entire article on the 'net, would you? :o
wolfhowlmedia 2 years ago
videoclipsx,
No direct evidence of HIV? Are you really serious about this? You can buy stocks of characterized HIV virus from manufacturers or find hundreds of fully sequenced genomes freely available online from labs around the world. The only people who claim that there is no evidence HIV exists are those who lack knowledge of biology. It is sad that you are apparently one of those people; biology is such a fascinating subject. Oh but I suppose it is all a huge global conspiracy, right?
PoodleStomper1 2 years ago
As I was saying... please PROVIDE the necessary four (4) EM photographs of the 'virus'.
Those photographs (as you may know) are the only evidence of the existance of ANY virus:
1) VIRUS ALONE
2) VIRUS INFECTING CELLS
3) NUCLEIC ACID OF THE VIRUS
4) VIRUS' PROTEINS
Bye, bye!
videoclipsx 2 years ago
the video just stupid regardless of the content - just another stupid youtube video
observerchigg 2 years ago
Hi observer...
The topic is EXTREMELY important.
It concerns both the REAL Health Care and many Economy factors too:
THE MYTH of the (so called) "HIV".
The USA are wasting MILLIONS AND MILLIONS on something INEXISTANT.
I am not crazy.
I am talking about the necessary recovery of our country (and the world).
Apart from two american Nobel Prize winners (Walter Gilbert and Kary Mullis), the main SCIENTIFICAL AUTHORITY who UNVEILS THE BIGGEST lie of our times, is the pioneer on...
videoclipsx 2 years ago
Here's what Walter Gilbert wrote on April 4th 2006:
"I am afraid that those comments [about HIV skepticism] go back to the late 80s. At that time I was a skeptic...
Today I would regard the success of the many antiviral agents which lower the virus titers (to be expected) and also resolve the failure of the immune system (only expected if the virus is the cause of the failure) as a reasonable proof of the causation argument."
Walter Gibert is a "rethinker" who actually did some rethinking.
eSnout 2 years ago
That's good to know!
We need to do some emailing to get statements from the other "celebrity endorsers". Do they, 15 years later, still propose that the jury is still out?
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Google "a moment of science: well, someone had to do it". The letter is reproduced in full in the comments section.
Robert Root Bernstein, author of "Rethinking AIDS - the tragedy of premature consensus" now accepts that HIV is essential to AIDS, although he believes that cofactors are also needed.
Similar with physician and outspoken critic Joseph Sonnabend who describes his views on antiretrovirals in detail in "Treating HIV is rarely an emergency: an interview with Joseph Sonnabend"
eSnout 2 years ago
Ethicist Udo Schuklenk talks about his brush with AIDS denialism in an excellent article: "Professional responsibilities of biomedical scientists in public discourse" from the Journal of Medical Ethics (downloadable free). It's one of my favorites.
eSnout 2 years ago
Dear 'eSnout'
My English is not the best, but me (AND A GROWING NUMBER OF FREE INDIVIDUALS AROUND THE WORLD) clearly understand the difference between a fact and A MYTH:
1) WHERE the old Gilbert said that?
2) NOTHING CHANGES by a simple sentence made by any person.
3) YOU COULD WIN THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS if YOU could DEMONSTRATE the existence of that `HIV`; and/or any proof,(any validity) that the 'test$' are useful.
4) Just ask your friend C0nc0rdance WHAT I told him last time.
THANKS
videoclipsx 2 years ago
I'm afraid videoclipsx is a person with an illness or disorder. I've had to block him because he has become increasingly agitated both in postings on my channel and in personal messages. I hope he gets better.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
I found your video to be quite agitated and a very inappropriate approach to any sort of scientific debate.
Bolenderable 2 years ago
That's because this isn't a scientific debate, and Stefan Lanka isn't a scientist. He's a publisher of books on alternative health and conspiracy theory.
My goal was to highlight his lack of qualifications and understanding. I have created other videos where I present some research data examples on HIV.
The scientific debate on HIV has been conducted in peer-reviewed journals between educated scientists, comparing evidence produced in laboratories. Not by Youtubers.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Thank you very much for your empty rant, which has not usefully contributed to any discussion.
Bolenderable 2 years ago
If you really have doubts about the science behind HIV/AIDS, PM me. I will try to find an HIV lab near you that you can visit. They can show you what they do, what the evidence is, and why denialism is empty conspiracy theory that has done great harm.
I'm serious. If you have doubts, let me help you visit an HIV research lab.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
I never said anything about AIDS causation. I am simply talking about standards of debate, what is appropriate and what is not.
Bolenderable 2 years ago
I see. So of all the millions of videos on YouTube, you have chosen to come to mine, watch it, make a comment, and act as arbiter of what is appropriate for a debate. Perhaps you would be happier if you just went somewhere else? Perhaps a news site or HealthBoards?
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
The main SCIENTIFICAL AUTHORITY who UNVEILS THE BIGGEST lie of our times, is the pioneer on discovering a marine virus ('EsV'). I mean, the German Doctor of Natural Science, Biologist, Molecular Biologist and, what is decisive for this item, Virologist, STEFAN LANKA.
PLEASE NOTE that Luc Montagnier recognized that he never had isolated any 'HIV' virus. (1997; interview by Djamel Tahi; Paris, France). We must ask OURSELVES two main things:
videoclipsx 2 years ago
'Observer..'
We must ask OURSELVES two main things:
1) Why so vehemently defend something for which there are not only no proofs but also no necessity.. and which has pushed millions of people into fear of a retroviral plague transmitted through sex and blood?
2) Why do "HIV"-virologists never subject their 'viruse$' to the same generally accepted standard techniques of molecular biology as all other virologists and biologists do?
Listen to STEFAN LANKA.
He'll extremely be helpful!
Thanks
videoclipsx 2 years ago
Those jokes are hilarious! I some geology ones.
Geologists make the bed rock.
I have lost my apatite.
holy schist!
Have a gneiss day.
may the quartz be with you!
and last but not least:
Folds, thrusts, and overturned beds are
all common in zones of orogeny
TheProf1988 2 years ago
Life is anything that dies when you stomp it!
startreking2007 2 years ago
It obviously wont give you AIDS but I was watching
watch?v=b28XtVR-I60
and I started wondering, how important do you guys think stress is for health?
scratchysurface 2 years ago
I love it! "PCR can't be used as a quantitative tool"!? Where the hell did this guy study biology!?
PoodleStomper1 2 years ago
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videoclipsx 2 years ago
I've been very patient with you videoclipsx. I've patiently answered questions and directed you to evidence.
When you post crap like this, the second half of a posting which makes no sense, it's very hard to believe that you are a rational, intelligent person.
May I suggest you get some education on the topic of biology and virology, and then ask coherent questions about the science of HIV/AIDS? Why don't you start with a science journal or biology textbook?
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
I watched it again and it really baffles me how he doesn't even know what reverse transcriptase is..because that's even in the German high school curriculum and he must've come across it during his school years lol
tobiasgeiger 2 years ago
Actually the CD4 cells and CD8 cells are balanced. When CD4 cell level is low, then CD8 cell level is high. Also in the healthy body, most of the T-cells stay in the bone marrow not in the blood.
He is not connected to the "German New Medicine". Their virus theory is different.
And who are you to disregard him? Yes, he denies that viruses are causing diseases, but also he explains what causes diseases. Have you personally studied his publications?
rpdigital17 2 years ago
I fell around laughing at this.
Can't say the same about the jokes at the end though.
Animavore 2 years ago
Wow...I should have stopped 6:47. The rest of the video just made me feel dumb! lol
weeeezzll 2 years ago
Could someone please send some guys round to his place to confiscate his PhD?
Spreading dangerous bullshit in an age where it's too easy to spread should be fucking illegal.
lowcomedy 2 years ago
Ugh, I cant even watch stupid fucks like this...
This man is a VIROLOGIST FFS, he should know about rt....
DonExodus2 2 years ago
the growth of false information is now so wide spread, its getting impossible for normal folks 2
explain the nonsense thats being made /me points at that german dr.
"like him"
In denmark 1 of the parties pay 5 million kroners pr year for a so called enviomental scientist 2 "deny global warming"
painterQjensen 2 years ago
Great video, and the one on Duesberg too.
You're going to hate me for this...
What's the difference between a bladder and a hosepipe?
Oh, there's a vas deferens.
xD.
dlcu38 2 years ago
Is this guy's PhD in Language & Literature? I'm a layman with a liberal arts degree, and even *I* know his science is faulty! It's just 1 step away from UFOs Built the Pyramids!
StarTrekLivz 2 years ago
I had a friend translate some of his German language videos, which are filled with references to the Vatican, the wisdom of ancient "witch" medicine, and the dangers of vaccination.
It's "Woo", crazy fantasy dressed up in a lab coat.
For the record, he does have a PhD in virology, and three published papers on a kelp virus, one as first author. This would be about typical for a grad student, so I'm guessing he stopped researching after he left school.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
the jokes make up for the dull insanity spewed by that guy
SkeptikSnarf 2 years ago
Great jokes.
I like dry humor...
tomaselvis 2 years ago
You just make vague hypotheses sound as if they were the truth, only if there is a wide consensus about them (which doesn't make it true yet).
DavidM1337 2 years ago
DavidM1337 here is an advocate for "German New Medicine", which states as its first rule:
Iron Rule
Severe diseases originate from a shock event which is lived by the individual as very difficult, highly acute, dramatic and isolating.
Of course, it's so simple! Trauma causes cancer! and AIDS! and hepatitis! and diabetes! and heart disease!
What IS amazing is the lack of critical thinking involved in accepting this approach. Spiritual healing, indeed.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
This is not true.
What you call "German New Medicine" doesn't say that Trauma causes this and that. This fairy tale is spread everywhere, but that's just not part of the first rule.
I understand you though, because the sources on the net about the topic are all rubbish. I'm glad to personally know some of the "forefront", who really really understand all this stuff, so I could personally learn, and then saw how bad all this stuff on the net is. If you wanna get into it, you know where to find me
DavidM1337 2 years ago