gunterdak The saiga is made in Russia at Izhmash as a hunting/sportting rifle. Then the are shipped to U.S. and converted to an Ak, with U.S. parts to make them 922(r) compliant. They are sold by Arsenal ,Cetury Arms, and others. They come in 7.62,5.45,.308,12ga,and others. These look like Arsenal's.
These look more like the dark Bulgarian versions, which are suppose to be very good quality. I believe its an AK74-nds-2, but regardless...the guy's talking about 5.45x39 and 7.62x39. It's just a comparison for christ sake, and a decent one at that!.
Thats it. I'm gonna settle this now! AK 100 series: All ak 100 weapons have a side folding stock, an ak-74 muzzle break, and a sight rail. (the rifles in this video do not appear to have sight rails or folding stocks, and are not part of the series. Putting polymer furniture on a weapon does not change its designation) #1 AK-74M (5.45mm) #2 AK-101 (5.56mm) #3 AK-102 (5.56mm carbine) #4 AK-103 (7.62mm) #5 AK-104 (7.62mm carbine (why!?)) #6 AK-105 (5.45mm carbine) OK everyone?
My Polytech AK 7.62x39 sidefold shoots like a bitch. When I bought it in the 80's, I purchased 1000 rds of Chines steel for about $90.00. I can attest to the fact that the combo definitly fucks just about anything up at 200 yds. I've also had it in the field, rained on, full of dirt, still that good. If I had to grab 1 VERY RELIABLE rig & haul ass, this is it.
@m4mihulja The AK101 is indeed in 5.56 NATO, the Russian Izmash factory makes it for export, it's not converted. As far as I know the Russians don't actually use it, but there are countries that buy them from the Izmash factory in Russia..
I believe the 5.45 version is just the AK74m (the first of the AK-100 series) and the AK105, a slightly shorter version.
@OCVau But, AK-74M is the same as AK-101, pal. If you're talking that AK-101 is 5,56x45mm, then I ask again - Russia DOESN'T have modern version of AK with is their most famous caliber 5,45x39mm?
I think that AK-101 can be both 5,45 and 5,56. That depends on for whom is intended.
@m4mihulja That comment is almost unintelligible. The AK-74M is the same,essentially, but the AK-101 fires the 5.56x45. The weapon in the video does not fire the 5.56x45, it fires the 5.45x39, so, it is not an AK-101. The AK-101 does not have interchangeable calibers, if it isnt firing the 5.56x45, it isnt an AK-101. And the AK-12 is about as modern as you can get, and it fires the 5.45x39 ",pal."
@m4mihulja Hate to burst your bubble, but those are not an AK-101 or AK-103, and the AK-101 is not 5.45x39mm, nor is it the same as the AK-74M. Sorry, but I am not really sure you know what you're talking about. You should probably check your own facts before calling out others. In either case, the designations AK-47 and AK-74 can be applied to any variant of the original by anyone who is not a nitpicky snob.
@gunterdak I think you're fatally wrong. This is an AK-103 7,62x39mm, and that other is AK-74M 5,45x39mm. The AK-101 is 5,56x45mm, yes I've made a mistake there. But, I've already realized it.
The rifles in this video are AK-74M and AK-103, dude.
@m4mihulja Well I am sorry but no they still really are not. The AK-74M/AK-103 has a side folding stock and a sight rail, as well as a number of other miner modifications. An AK-74 with polymer grips and stock does not become an AK-74M. As for the "47," the same rule applies to both the furniture and the muzzle break. Both these guns are just customized in America and at a glance resemble the weapons you described. But I assure you, they are not.....dude.
@m4mihulja Well I do not know. There are many versions or clones of both the ak-47 and AK-74 available in the US, made by US companies or imported from various former Warsaw Pact nations, and they can be customized after market in various ways. I cannot tell you precisely what they are but I can damn sure tell you what they are not: They are not made by Izhmash, and they are not AK-74Ms, AK-103s, or any other type of rifle that cannot in fact be obtained in the US. OK, hombre?
@gunterdak I came here to ask a question about the AK-47 and the AK-74 here, but i see that there's an argument about it here and can't tell who is right, so i'll just ask both of you. How can you tell the difference between the AK-47 and the AK-74 and which one is the better gun?
@xxxWWFANxxx The difference is the caliber. They function exactly the same. The 74 is 5.45mm (about .22) and the 47 is 7.62mm (.30) Originally, the 74 had a new muzzle break and a dimple on the stock so soldiers could tell it from the AKM. Now many custom AK-47’s have the same muzzle break. Depending on the version, there may be no external difference in appearance. You can tell the difference by looking at the magazine. The 7.62 is much more curved.
@xxxWWFANxxx The AK-74 would probably be considered “better” by modern military standards and is what most Russian soldiers are armed with. Its advantages are that it has a longer range and flatter trajectory, is more accurate, has less recoil, and the ammo is more lethal and weighs less. The AK-47 has more kick and less range/accuracy, but has much more stopping power, and can penetrate armor and obstacles better. Not that you are going to be shooting at people, right? ;-)
@gunterdak Lol naw, i just love guns :), you can love guns and not want to go on a killing spree with it, anyways the AK-74 has the so called "poison bullet", although doesn't the M16 series weapons have these types of poison bullets too (tumble in the body depending on the range it was shot at)? You said the AK-47 and AK-74 look different depending on the version, let's say the original AK-47 (Russian made) and the original AK-74.
@xxxWWFANxxx depends what you are looking for. go to your local gun store and ask to test fire them if they have a range. Most the opinions are based on speculation because most of these shooters own the gun they favor. To be honest it won't matter which gun you buy you wont be disappointed. For me locally the 47 are century arms and range $400-600 while the 74 are arsenal and rage $900-1300 but the gap comes from the company. 47 rounds are cheaper too 20cents vs 40cents a round
@gunterdak Well MAYBE you're right. West cannot afford modern AK's so easily. Russians don't trade with AK-100 series (except AK-101 which is made for export).
These may be a modernized AK-74 and AK-47, or so-called ''fake'' AK-100 series, as the half of the world produces that sort of AK's.
@m4mihulja How about you fags let the owner of the video and guns settle this. Let's clarify what these guns are: The 5.45x39 rifle in this video is made by Izmash, in Russia. It is built on the same tooling as the AK74m, but in order to be imported does not have a side folding stock, among other features that were converted back to AK74m configuration, sans the side folder. It's more of an AK74M than AK74. The 7.62 rifle is largely similar. Built on AK103 tooling without the sidefolder.
@m4mihulja Actually, both the AK-74M and the AK-103 have side-folding stocks. The weapons in the video do not. The weapons in the vid are NOT the AK-74M or the AK-103
My guess would be that they are Arsenal ARs, but there are numerous AK-clones, so I would be difficult to find out exactly based on external design. And, while the 5.45 is better in some areas, that is an opinion, and, by definition, cannot be right or wrong
@OCVau Yes, that's what I've already said, dude. The ''black'' AK-74 or 47 doesn't exist. Only the AK-100 series can look like that, due to the fact that they're made out of black Kevlar and Polymer. You're also right about folding stock.
The both weapons in this video are some fake AK clones.
P.S About opinion - opinion is based on facts, which means that it can be debated.
@m4mihulja I came here to ask a question about the AK-47 and the AK-74 here, but i see that there's an argument about it here and can't tell who is right, so i'll just ask both of you. How can you tell the difference between the AK-47 and the AK-74 and which one is the better gun?
that isnt Ak-47 that is the Ak-103 but it also use the 7.62x39MM but it is also made from Metal and not wood so thats the Ak-103 and the other is the Ak-74M 5.45x39MM and there is also 5.45x49SD but anyway who wins ?
В России по закону каждый гражданин имеет купить АК полу-автомат (она же сайга) или любое нарезное оружие после владения гладкоствольным оружием в течении 5 лет. 20 тышь, и твоё ;*)
АК Саига охотничья 12-го калибра, она гладкоствольная т.е ждать 5 лет не надо, и она как две капли похожа на ак-47. Зайди в охотничий магазин и пусть покажут. Вешь БОМБА!
I like the 5.45 is way better than the 7.62 because it has better range, it's way cheaper, and the damage caused is the same if not more than the 7.62 because of it's high velocity and tendency to yaw when it hits flesh. Which is another reason why the AK 74 is better than the 47. His "AK-47" is actually an AKM because of it's stamped receiver.
AK-47,Its less accurate but in the hand of a good shooter thats not a big problem(if it is ill just get a mosin nagant91/30),slower moving( funny becuase bullets are fast as hell ,45acp is "slow" compared to a 9mm but I still cant outrun either one ) Harder hitting cartridge,it was made for firepower,stoping power(compared to other "assault rifles"), and reliabilty more than accuracy but I mostly want it for its history and legacy.
@avisciglio the AK-74 is an ASSAULT RIFLE it does not fire a pistol cartridge, it fires a rifle cartridge and has select fire, making it an ASSAULT RIFLE. Stop basing your gun knowledge off Black Ops. off
It pisses me off when people say the AK-74 is an smg it's not in any way. I also hate when people base there gun knowledge of COD. It's a great game but the way they categorize weapons is terrible.
@MrTakeaLoadofcum All variants of the AK-74 are assault rifles because they all have select fire and fire the 5.45 by 39 mm intermediate rifle cartridge. Even the AKS-74u isn't a SMG it's a carbine assault rifle because the only difference between the AKS-74u and the full size AK-74 is that the AKS-74u is just a shortened version of the AK-74.
His "AK-47" is actually an AKM because of it's stamped receiver. I personally prefer the kalashnikov family of weapons over the AR-15 because Kalashnikovs are more reliable, require less maintenance, and the ammunition is cheaper.
I still don't understand why Russians would make a round that could be fired into an M16, but that can't use stolen ammo from M16. Btw, this is one of the reasons swiss Sig550 uses 5.6mm ammo, so it can use standard Nato 5.56, but the opposite not possible :)
@FFBranson No. I can read an ammo package dude. The standard swiss army round is in 5.6, i have some at home. Please don't be rude when you don't know. This is the whole purpose : it can shoot 5.56, but whenever an invasion occur (as swiss states to be neutral and therefore ready do defend itself), seized ammo from swiss arsenals just can't be utilised into NATO carbines. The 5.6 round would just jam during action and possibly explode into the chamber of a 5.56
@davidthe1 Depends. I refer to the 7.62x39 AK as an AK47 for the sake of simplicity. It is technically an AK103 clone, a much updated version of the AK47. There's also the AKM which is distinguished by it's more slanted gas block. I called the AK103 clone in this video an AK47 because most Americans don't know what an AK103 is.
As far as how to notice these two guns apart without the magazines, they're almost indistinguishable. The 7.62 barrel is slightly thicker.
@avisciglio These are just rifles.Assault rifles(semi-auto replicla in the video) and Submachine guns(none in the video,not even replicas) are fully-automatic(ONE pull of the trigger TWO OR MORE rounds shot) these are semi-automatic(ONE pull of the trigger ONE round shot) and dont require a class 3 liscnse(A liscence for full auto firearms) so it need no more paper work than a hunting rifle or shotgun(or any other firearm).
Also sub-machine guns use pistol calibers(for ex: 9mm,32acp,45acp)
I had the ability to talk to a russian one day who was in the russian military and was in afganistan fighting for the russians. He told me the devistation that the 5.45 round did internally was much worse than the 7.62x39. I own both the 47 and 74 and prefer the 74 over the 47. The russian was shocked that I had one for some reason and told me he had used his out to 300 meters with very good sucess when he was in the military
ide take a 47 of a 74 because in opinion i own a 47 and my uncle has a 74 the 47 holds up better with the elements and a more powerfull round not as accurate but it works/
@pickinthatbanjo The VZ 58 is a great choice. I have a VZ 58 and an AK. I wouldn't call it inferior or superior to the AK. Maybe a tiny bit better perhaps.
just looked at several gun vids and most of the commentators insult the viewers. From me, it earns a dislike, but im guessing som1 who dies that doesn't care anyway.
Aint nothing like getting russian surplus 5.45 for super cheap! Who cares if its corrosive?! Clean your rifles! And having a chromed lined barrel wouldnt hurt either...
The first rifle i ever shot was a military issued m16 at the age of 15. Nice but not my style. Im a fan of the AK and we all know most Ak47s are garbage (ex:wasr) and innacurate. Hell, even the 5.45 polish tantal has issues. I was choosing between a norinco ak or a mak90, but picked up a ishmash ak74 and never looked back.
they actually adopted the 5.56 for the ak74 because the russians fought war was near and with all the killing going on the russians will be running out of ammo so they fought hey the americans use that cartrige so our soldiers can just pick ammo out of their guns for our guns
i say why vs them... screw it this is america get them both lol... great video. still left me wondering which one is the one for me... how do you feel about the arsenal ak in 5.56???
@dp665 I'd stay away from 5.56 AKs. If you want a 5.56 just get an AR. The AR was meant for 5.56 and is much more versatile with the cartridge. The 16 inch barreled AK doesn't bring the 5.56 up to the velocities it was meant to have to wound effectively. If you want a small caliber, high velocity AK I point you to the 5.45
Basically, getting an AK in 5.56 is like getting an AR in 7.62x39. You can do it, but why would you?
@CajunCatfish47 dude gotta say i love your catfish thing for your pic, that shit cracked me up...
but how can you say the 556 can not reach the velocities needed threw an ak, like 90% of the people out there that have ar15s have the 16ich barreled version so shouldnt, logically if the ak has a 16ich barrel it provide the same velocities as a 16inch barreled ar...
still god info and ima have to look more into what the 74 has to offer.
@dp665 The 5.56 was designed to be shot out of a 20" barrel. This allows it to reach 3,000 fps, which is the optimal speed for fragmenting/tumbling. Yeah, most people (including me) have an AR with a 16 inch barrel, but it's "good enough" for a good jhp 5.56. But if I was getting an AR for serious purposes, I'd get a 20 incher. And with a 16" AR all you gotta do is pop 2 pins, take the 16" upper off and put a 20" upper on and your good to go. Not so with an AK.
@CajunCatfish47 I don't believe that's a problem if you use hollow point loadings in a 5.56x45. The hollow point loadings probably outperform the 5.45x39 by far.
@jodopeg but ar15s and ruger mini14 suck ass. you can use them all you want but either your ar15 will jam or your mini 14... well thats just an over priced piece of shit $600 for gun that shoots the same round as an ar15 yet is only accurate out to maybe 200yrds. the ak74 is one kickass weapon.
i owned a mini14 and it was just over priced. my father and cousin also own some and they never shoot them because they just sucked. and sorry but i have no care for a those guns. when i choose between ak and ar15 im not choosing them to go hunting but to go to war and the ak series weapons are the better war rifle. They were ment for harsh conditions and to be mass produced for an Army. the ar15 was just mean to be light weight and accurate
@4everUSNavy yup, a mini is not a gun for war, it's a civilian plinker and farm varmint rifle.
And the AR/M16 was light weight and is still the most accurate.
As far as what's better in war, well, I guess it depends upon the terrain and the skill of the individual.
Terrorist handle guns poorly, so for the poorly trained,an AK is better. Me..?, I like that I can pick off an enemy with one shot aided by a scope several hundreds of yards away.
@4everUSNavy Dude you seem to not even have a basic grasp of how to write. You really don't know what you're talking about as far as the AR and mini 14 being pieces of shit. If you go out and buy some random AR and some random AK, you know what's more likely to work? The AR. In my experience, AK's can be very hit or miss thanks to the wonders of Socialist labor. AR's, on the other hand, are very cut and dry. Very easy to produce.
@4everUSNavy Also, if you were really a Marine, it seems that you would know that the AR15 is a pretty damn reliable gun. Sure, it had some teething problems back in Vietnam, but today's AR15 is impressively reliable. I've seen WAY more AK's jam than mini 14's or AR15's.
@CajunCatfish47 I've got a video of my Mini 14 jamming. The only time I ever remember getting a jam with an AK was a crappy Yugo century gun, and a bad 20 round magazine.
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martinholde 4 hours ago
Commentator = Private Pyle's From FULL METAL JACKET
seyed1 19 hours ago
gunterdak The saiga is made in Russia at Izhmash as a hunting/sportting rifle. Then the are shipped to U.S. and converted to an Ak, with U.S. parts to make them 922(r) compliant. They are sold by Arsenal ,Cetury Arms, and others. They come in 7.62,5.45,.308,12ga,and others. These look like Arsenal's.
Akguy545762 1 week ago
will a magazine pouch for an ak47 work with magazines from an ak74? they look the same size in the vid but all i have is a ak74 so i have no idea!
TigerEatsPenguin 1 week ago
@TigerEatsPenguin yup I have an AK47 mag pouch and put AK74 mags in it all the time
CajunCatfish47 1 week ago
@CajunCatfish47 Hell yes great news thanks buddy and great vid!
TigerEatsPenguin 1 week ago
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m4mihulja 1 week ago
@CajunCatfish47 Thanks dude, now I get it.
m4mihulja 1 week ago
They have to have 10 American parts to be legal in the USA.
tonedamuss 1 week ago
These look more like the dark Bulgarian versions, which are suppose to be very good quality. I believe its an AK74-nds-2, but regardless...the guy's talking about 5.45x39 and 7.62x39. It's just a comparison for christ sake, and a decent one at that!.
Pr1813 1 week ago
Thats it. I'm gonna settle this now! AK 100 series: All ak 100 weapons have a side folding stock, an ak-74 muzzle break, and a sight rail. (the rifles in this video do not appear to have sight rails or folding stocks, and are not part of the series. Putting polymer furniture on a weapon does not change its designation) #1 AK-74M (5.45mm) #2 AK-101 (5.56mm) #3 AK-102 (5.56mm carbine) #4 AK-103 (7.62mm) #5 AK-104 (7.62mm carbine (why!?)) #6 AK-105 (5.45mm carbine) OK everyone?
gunterdak 2 weeks ago
My Polytech AK 7.62x39 sidefold shoots like a bitch. When I bought it in the 80's, I purchased 1000 rds of Chines steel for about $90.00. I can attest to the fact that the combo definitly fucks just about anything up at 200 yds. I've also had it in the field, rained on, full of dirt, still that good. If I had to grab 1 VERY RELIABLE rig & haul ass, this is it.
Khashmali1 2 weeks ago
ILL NEED THIS INFORMATION WHEN THE ZOMBIE APACOLYPSE HAPPENES
dddran 2 weeks ago
Made it up to the point of being called shithead then went else where
hathare1959 2 weeks ago
"That will mess you up" XD
Maxx4609 3 weeks ago
13 seconds on and you used a naughty word and called me, a viewer, a shithead. Fuck you unclefucker.
werre2 3 weeks ago
Hahahaha! great intro. voted
iedhunter44 3 weeks ago
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m4mihulja 3 weeks ago 15
@m4mihulja AK-101 is 5.56
source - Modern firearms.com
MrKALISHNIK0V47 3 weeks ago
@MrKALISHNIK0V47 Which is 5,45mm then? As far as I know, the AK-101 is 5,45mm, but for the NATO users the rifle is converted to 5,56x45mm.
Also, it would be stupid for Russians to produce a whole new assault rifles, without their regular 5,45x39mm, won't be?
m4mihulja 2 weeks ago
@m4mihulja The AK101 is indeed in 5.56 NATO, the Russian Izmash factory makes it for export, it's not converted. As far as I know the Russians don't actually use it, but there are countries that buy them from the Izmash factory in Russia..
I believe the 5.45 version is just the AK74m (the first of the AK-100 series) and the AK105, a slightly shorter version.
CajunCatfish47 2 weeks ago
@m4mihulja uhh, dude, the AK-101 fires the 5.56x45
The AK-74M, which is not the same thing, fires the 5.45x39
might be what you were trying to say, but still
OCVau 2 weeks ago
@OCVau But, AK-74M is the same as AK-101, pal. If you're talking that AK-101 is 5,56x45mm, then I ask again - Russia DOESN'T have modern version of AK with is their most famous caliber 5,45x39mm?
I think that AK-101 can be both 5,45 and 5,56. That depends on for whom is intended.
m4mihulja 2 weeks ago
@m4mihulja That comment is almost unintelligible. The AK-74M is the same,essentially, but the AK-101 fires the 5.56x45. The weapon in the video does not fire the 5.56x45, it fires the 5.45x39, so, it is not an AK-101. The AK-101 does not have interchangeable calibers, if it isnt firing the 5.56x45, it isnt an AK-101. And the AK-12 is about as modern as you can get, and it fires the 5.45x39 ",pal."
OCVau 2 weeks ago
@OCVau Yes, you're right, I think. My mistake. That is so disrupted and stupid.
The new series of Russian assault rifles are:
AK-101, 102, 103, 104, 74M and 105.
And they have their calibers:
AK-101, 102 - 5,56x45mm, AK-103, 104 - 7,62x39mm, and AK-74M, 105 - 5,45x39mm
So WHY, for God sake, that 5,45x39mm carries name 74M!? Why just not, let's say AK-106?
That thing screwed me. But, thanks, dude.
m4mihulja 2 weeks ago
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@OCVau Yes, you're right, I think. My mistake. That is so disrupted and stupid.
The new series of Russian assault rifles are:
AK-101, 102, 103, 104, 74M and 105.
And they have their calibers:
AK-101, 102 - 5,56x45mm, AK-103, 104 - 7,62x39mm, and AK-74M, 105 - 5,45x39mm
So WHY, for God sake, that 5,45x39mm carries name 74M!? Why just not, let's say AK-106?
That thing screwed me. But, thanks, dude.
m4mihulja 2 weeks ago
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@OCVau Yes, you're right, I think. My mistake. This is so disrupted and stupid.
The new series of Russian assault rifles are:
AK-101, 102, 103, 104, 74M and 105.
And they have their calibers:
AK-101, 102 - 5,56x45mm, AK-103, 104 - 7,62x39mm, and AK-74M, 105 - 5,45x39mm
So WHY, for God sake, that 5,45x39mm carries name 74M!? Why just not, let's say AK-106?
That thing screwed me. But, thanks, dude.
m4mihulja 2 weeks ago
@m4mihulja Hate to burst your bubble, but those are not an AK-101 or AK-103, and the AK-101 is not 5.45x39mm, nor is it the same as the AK-74M. Sorry, but I am not really sure you know what you're talking about. You should probably check your own facts before calling out others. In either case, the designations AK-47 and AK-74 can be applied to any variant of the original by anyone who is not a nitpicky snob.
gunterdak 2 weeks ago
@gunterdak I think you're fatally wrong. This is an AK-103 7,62x39mm, and that other is AK-74M 5,45x39mm. The AK-101 is 5,56x45mm, yes I've made a mistake there. But, I've already realized it.
The rifles in this video are AK-74M and AK-103, dude.
m4mihulja 2 weeks ago
@m4mihulja Well I am sorry but no they still really are not. The AK-74M/AK-103 has a side folding stock and a sight rail, as well as a number of other miner modifications. An AK-74 with polymer grips and stock does not become an AK-74M. As for the "47," the same rule applies to both the furniture and the muzzle break. Both these guns are just customized in America and at a glance resemble the weapons you described. But I assure you, they are not.....dude.
gunterdak 2 weeks ago
@gunterdak Then, which rifles are that here on the video in your opinion, pal?
m4mihulja 2 weeks ago
@m4mihulja Well I do not know. There are many versions or clones of both the ak-47 and AK-74 available in the US, made by US companies or imported from various former Warsaw Pact nations, and they can be customized after market in various ways. I cannot tell you precisely what they are but I can damn sure tell you what they are not: They are not made by Izhmash, and they are not AK-74Ms, AK-103s, or any other type of rifle that cannot in fact be obtained in the US. OK, hombre?
gunterdak 2 weeks ago
@gunterdak I came here to ask a question about the AK-47 and the AK-74 here, but i see that there's an argument about it here and can't tell who is right, so i'll just ask both of you. How can you tell the difference between the AK-47 and the AK-74 and which one is the better gun?
xxxWWFANxxx 2 weeks ago
@xxxWWFANxxx The difference is the caliber. They function exactly the same. The 74 is 5.45mm (about .22) and the 47 is 7.62mm (.30) Originally, the 74 had a new muzzle break and a dimple on the stock so soldiers could tell it from the AKM. Now many custom AK-47’s have the same muzzle break. Depending on the version, there may be no external difference in appearance. You can tell the difference by looking at the magazine. The 7.62 is much more curved.
gunterdak 2 weeks ago
@xxxWWFANxxx The AK-74 would probably be considered “better” by modern military standards and is what most Russian soldiers are armed with. Its advantages are that it has a longer range and flatter trajectory, is more accurate, has less recoil, and the ammo is more lethal and weighs less. The AK-47 has more kick and less range/accuracy, but has much more stopping power, and can penetrate armor and obstacles better. Not that you are going to be shooting at people, right? ;-)
gunterdak 2 weeks ago
@gunterdak Lol naw, i just love guns :), you can love guns and not want to go on a killing spree with it, anyways the AK-74 has the so called "poison bullet", although doesn't the M16 series weapons have these types of poison bullets too (tumble in the body depending on the range it was shot at)? You said the AK-47 and AK-74 look different depending on the version, let's say the original AK-47 (Russian made) and the original AK-74.
xxxWWFANxxx 2 weeks ago
@xxxWWFANxxx depends what you are looking for. go to your local gun store and ask to test fire them if they have a range. Most the opinions are based on speculation because most of these shooters own the gun they favor. To be honest it won't matter which gun you buy you wont be disappointed. For me locally the 47 are century arms and range $400-600 while the 74 are arsenal and rage $900-1300 but the gap comes from the company. 47 rounds are cheaper too 20cents vs 40cents a round
DrunkenGodMode 2 weeks ago
@gunterdak Well MAYBE you're right. West cannot afford modern AK's so easily. Russians don't trade with AK-100 series (except AK-101 which is made for export).
These may be a modernized AK-74 and AK-47, or so-called ''fake'' AK-100 series, as the half of the world produces that sort of AK's.
But, I don't know.
m4mihulja 2 weeks ago
@m4mihulja How about you fags let the owner of the video and guns settle this. Let's clarify what these guns are: The 5.45x39 rifle in this video is made by Izmash, in Russia. It is built on the same tooling as the AK74m, but in order to be imported does not have a side folding stock, among other features that were converted back to AK74m configuration, sans the side folder. It's more of an AK74M than AK74. The 7.62 rifle is largely similar. Built on AK103 tooling without the sidefolder.
CajunCatfish47 2 weeks ago
@CajunCatfish47 If that rifle is from Russia, and made by Izmash, the that 5,45x39mm is AK-74M, and that other 7,62x39mm is AK-103.
But, if not then it's an fake AK build by in US or some other country.
P.S. I think you're also wrong about one more thing - 5,45mm is better than 7,62mm in almost everything.
m4mihulja 2 weeks ago
@m4mihulja Actually, both the AK-74M and the AK-103 have side-folding stocks. The weapons in the video do not. The weapons in the vid are NOT the AK-74M or the AK-103
My guess would be that they are Arsenal ARs, but there are numerous AK-clones, so I would be difficult to find out exactly based on external design. And, while the 5.45 is better in some areas, that is an opinion, and, by definition, cannot be right or wrong
OCVau 2 weeks ago
@OCVau Yes, that's what I've already said, dude. The ''black'' AK-74 or 47 doesn't exist. Only the AK-100 series can look like that, due to the fact that they're made out of black Kevlar and Polymer. You're also right about folding stock.
The both weapons in this video are some fake AK clones.
P.S About opinion - opinion is based on facts, which means that it can be debated.
m4mihulja 2 weeks ago
@m4mihulja Actually, these are not "fake AK clones". They are built on the same tooling, in the same factory, as the military rifles.
CajunCatfish47 1 week ago
@m4mihulja Are you saying I don't know what rifles I bought?
CajunCatfish47 1 week ago
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@m4mihulja I came here to ask a question about the AK-47 and the AK-74 here, but i see that there's an argument about it here and can't tell who is right, so i'll just ask both of you. How can you tell the difference between the AK-47 and the AK-74 and which one is the better gun?
xxxWWFANxxx 2 weeks ago
@davidthe1 The easiest way for a traditional AKM vs AK-74 is that the AK-74 has a muzzle break and also the different butt-stock.
SJS61240 1 month ago
@davidthe1 muzzle brakes on pre bans
MrTheree 1 month ago
that isnt Ak-47 that is the Ak-103 but it also use the 7.62x39MM but it is also made from Metal and not wood so thats the Ak-103 and the other is the Ak-74M 5.45x39MM and there is also 5.45x49SD but anyway who wins ?
MetalGearArmA 1 month ago
shut up you piece of shit
ILLUMINEM1 1 month ago
Мне показалось, или это АК74 и АК103?
DjiubK 1 month ago
@DjiubK верхний - АК-74 (не "с", нескладной) с пластиковой отделкой.
Нижний - АК-103 с нескладным полиамидным прикладом.
(I answer to non-english speaking users about the models showed in the video).
TO3123 4 weeks ago
@davidthe1 the muzzles
jedijosh8 1 month ago
тебе хорошо, когда хочешь можешь пострелять, а мне вот в армию обратно идти надо, что бы хоть раз стрельнуть!
789Gamlet 1 month ago
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В России по закону каждый гражданин имеет купить АК полу-автомат (она же сайга) или любое нарезное оружие после владения гладкоствольным оружием в течении 5 лет. 20 тышь, и твоё ;*)
АК Саига охотничья 12-го калибра, она гладкоствольная т.е ждать 5 лет не надо, и она как две капли похожа на ак-47. Зайди в охотничий магазин и пусть покажут. Вешь БОМБА!
antiigravity 1 month ago
I like the 5.45 is way better than the 7.62 because it has better range, it's way cheaper, and the damage caused is the same if not more than the 7.62 because of it's high velocity and tendency to yaw when it hits flesh. Which is another reason why the AK 74 is better than the 47. His "AK-47" is actually an AKM because of it's stamped receiver.
kloc7000 1 month ago
I calculated the price per bullet of 5.45 and it is 6.82 cents per round whereas the 7.62 can get down to 25 cents a round
bigwillyalex 1 month ago
AK-47,Its less accurate but in the hand of a good shooter thats not a big problem(if it is ill just get a mosin nagant91/30),slower moving( funny becuase bullets are fast as hell ,45acp is "slow" compared to a 9mm but I still cant outrun either one ) Harder hitting cartridge,it was made for firepower,stoping power(compared to other "assault rifles"), and reliabilty more than accuracy but I mostly want it for its history and legacy.
Nice arsenal AKs,hope I can afford one someday
Take care.
dasdew2 1 month ago
@avisciglio the AK-74 is an ASSAULT RIFLE it does not fire a pistol cartridge, it fires a rifle cartridge and has select fire, making it an ASSAULT RIFLE. Stop basing your gun knowledge off Black Ops. off
kloc7000 1 month ago
It pisses me off when people say the AK-74 is an smg it's not in any way. I also hate when people base there gun knowledge of COD. It's a great game but the way they categorize weapons is terrible.
kloc7000 1 month ago
@MrTakeaLoadofcum All variants of the AK-74 are assault rifles because they all have select fire and fire the 5.45 by 39 mm intermediate rifle cartridge. Even the AKS-74u isn't a SMG it's a carbine assault rifle because the only difference between the AKS-74u and the full size AK-74 is that the AKS-74u is just a shortened version of the AK-74.
kloc7000 1 month ago
His "AK-47" is actually an AKM because of it's stamped receiver. I personally prefer the kalashnikov family of weapons over the AR-15 because Kalashnikovs are more reliable, require less maintenance, and the ammunition is cheaper.
kloc7000 1 month ago
it boils down to preferences, i like assault-style rifles as much as the next guy...doesn't matter if it's an AR, AK, Kel-Tec, etc.
TitanTony407 1 month ago
I still don't understand why Russians would make a round that could be fired into an M16, but that can't use stolen ammo from M16. Btw, this is one of the reasons swiss Sig550 uses 5.6mm ammo, so it can use standard Nato 5.56, but the opposite not possible :)
Rhinoch8 2 months ago
@Rhinoch8 You can't fire AK74 ammo out of an M16, or the other way around. And the Swiss always come up with better ideas than Americans! lol
CajunCatfish47 1 month ago 17
@CajunCatfish47 If you fire a 5.45 round in a 5.6 chamber, will it have some problems?
Rhinoch8 1 month ago
@Rhinoch8 You are wrong about the Sig 550, it just shoots standard 5.56 NATO.
FFBranson 1 month ago
@FFBranson No. I can read an ammo package dude. The standard swiss army round is in 5.6, i have some at home. Please don't be rude when you don't know. This is the whole purpose : it can shoot 5.56, but whenever an invasion occur (as swiss states to be neutral and therefore ready do defend itself), seized ammo from swiss arsenals just can't be utilised into NATO carbines. The 5.6 round would just jam during action and possibly explode into the chamber of a 5.56
Rhinoch8 1 month ago
I would like complain if i had either one. both are a nice to have
millster101 2 months ago
no the AK74 is a SMG because i played COD Black Ops and the AK74 is in the SMG category*end trolling*
MrTakeaLoadofcum 2 months ago
@davidthe1 Depends. I refer to the 7.62x39 AK as an AK47 for the sake of simplicity. It is technically an AK103 clone, a much updated version of the AK47. There's also the AKM which is distinguished by it's more slanted gas block. I called the AK103 clone in this video an AK47 because most Americans don't know what an AK103 is.
As far as how to notice these two guns apart without the magazines, they're almost indistinguishable. The 7.62 barrel is slightly thicker.
CajunCatfish47 2 months ago 2
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7.62 barrel of the AK47 only looks thicker :))
TelPrank 1 month ago
theres a reason y the russians have changed to the ak 74 because it works
TheM2heavy 2 months ago
If im not mistaken they both look like 74s. Your info is pretty accurate though.
I could tell by the gas block.
EndtheFED310 2 months ago
the AK47 IS MUCH BETTER THAN THE AK74. THE AK47 IS AN ASSAULT RIFLE AN THE AK74 IS A SUBMACHINE GUN
avisciglio 2 months ago
@avisciglio you're joking, right?
CajunCatfish47 2 months ago
@CajunCatfish47 lol, he learned that from a video game for sure
904MALCOM 2 months ago
@avisciglio u play black ops too muuch
123unicore 2 months ago
@avisciglio you are incorrect
reproducable 1 month ago
@avisciglio These are just rifles.Assault rifles(semi-auto replicla in the video) and Submachine guns(none in the video,not even replicas) are fully-automatic(ONE pull of the trigger TWO OR MORE rounds shot) these are semi-automatic(ONE pull of the trigger ONE round shot) and dont require a class 3 liscnse(A liscence for full auto firearms) so it need no more paper work than a hunting rifle or shotgun(or any other firearm).
Also sub-machine guns use pistol calibers(for ex: 9mm,32acp,45acp)
dasdew2 1 month ago
not true, what would you consider an AR then?becuase the 545 shoots out a larger grain bullet
allday162 1 month ago
@allday162 5.45x39 isn't heavier in it's standard loading.
esh325 1 month ago
@avisciglio
call of duty much?
ZombieResponseUnitTX 1 month ago
@avisciglio an ak 74 is an assault rifle. the aks 74u is the submachine gun
MrBachAndBen 1 month ago
@MrBachAndBen actually the AKs74u is still an assault rifle. It's just a carbine version. It's not a submachine gun just cause it's shorter.
CajunCatfish47 1 month ago 2
I had the ability to talk to a russian one day who was in the russian military and was in afganistan fighting for the russians. He told me the devistation that the 5.45 round did internally was much worse than the 7.62x39. I own both the 47 and 74 and prefer the 74 over the 47. The russian was shocked that I had one for some reason and told me he had used his out to 300 meters with very good sucess when he was in the military
gunguru2012 2 months ago
@gunguru2012 Ballistics tests actually show the two are quite similar in wounding.
esh325 2 months ago
i wonder which one does better on the longshot
facebookdontlikeu 2 months ago
@facebookdontlikeu the AK74 is probably better for longer ranges
CajunCatfish47 2 months ago
ide take a 47 of a 74 because in opinion i own a 47 and my uncle has a 74 the 47 holds up better with the elements and a more powerfull round not as accurate but it works/
1775nomad 2 months ago
holy shit no dumbass call of duty comments. finally.......
ps3snowman721 2 months ago
What brands are those weapons? Arsenal? Tantal?
geelsman 2 months ago
Lol freedom fighter. I really think he doesn't know what he is talking about .
elox02 2 months ago
@545Krinkify lol same here
navySEALteam5 3 months ago
Hornady makes the same round for the 5.45x39. They're wild check them out
AssassinSteven 3 months ago
I just wish I could buy either, up here in Canada the VZ-58 is the closest thing available and internally it's a completely different firearm.
pickinthatbanjo 3 months ago
@pickinthatbanjo The VZ 58 is a great choice. I have a VZ 58 and an AK. I wouldn't call it inferior or superior to the AK. Maybe a tiny bit better perhaps.
esh325 2 months ago
I would rather have the 47
money50863 3 months ago
i can't believe youd take a 47 over a 74..?? That 74 is FINE.. Great video..
wwood14 3 months ago
@wwood14 Don't get me wrong, I really, REALLY, like the AK74, and it may actually be better than the ak47. I have a really hard time picking.
CajunCatfish47 3 months ago
lmao that was a great intro
FunkySpunky91 3 months ago
just looked at several gun vids and most of the commentators insult the viewers. From me, it earns a dislike, but im guessing som1 who dies that doesn't care anyway.
ilovestareon 4 months ago
@ilovestareon don't forget to subscribe and favorite my other videos! lolzzzzzzzzzzzzz
CajunCatfish47 4 months ago
where did you get those hand guards?
ChrisLeathal 4 months ago
@ChrisLeathal they came on the gun
CajunCatfish47 4 months ago
k theres no such thing as a ak 74 u
MrBlackopskiller5 4 months ago
@MrBlackopskiller5 there's the aks74u
CajunCatfish47 4 months ago
@MrBlackopskiller5 Yeah there is to an ak74u,the u stands for shortend in german lol
185twisted 3 months ago
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@185twisted What the fuck are you talking about?
96FreedomFighter 3 months ago
Aint nothing like getting russian surplus 5.45 for super cheap! Who cares if its corrosive?! Clean your rifles! And having a chromed lined barrel wouldnt hurt either...
robertstaco 4 months ago
The first rifle i ever shot was a military issued m16 at the age of 15. Nice but not my style. Im a fan of the AK and we all know most Ak47s are garbage (ex:wasr) and innacurate. Hell, even the 5.45 polish tantal has issues. I was choosing between a norinco ak or a mak90, but picked up a ishmash ak74 and never looked back.
robertstaco 4 months ago
americans cant shoot for shit
levidogaz 4 months ago
Hey thanks for this video. I think I pretty much have a good idea what to get. Thanks again.
salvichannel 5 months ago
@dp665
Dont get the 5.56 AK, only get 5.45 AK's any of them are better.
powmful 5 months ago
@powmful I agree with that. Some 5.56x45 AK's don't have the R&D and don't work right.
esh325 5 months ago
they actually adopted the 5.56 for the ak74 because the russians fought war was near and with all the killing going on the russians will be running out of ammo so they fought hey the americans use that cartrige so our soldiers can just pick ammo out of their guns for our guns
wehrmacht95 6 months ago
y does this guy sound like cokeman?
godzilla1463 6 months ago
i say why vs them... screw it this is america get them both lol... great video. still left me wondering which one is the one for me... how do you feel about the arsenal ak in 5.56???
dp665 6 months ago
@dp665 I'd stay away from 5.56 AKs. If you want a 5.56 just get an AR. The AR was meant for 5.56 and is much more versatile with the cartridge. The 16 inch barreled AK doesn't bring the 5.56 up to the velocities it was meant to have to wound effectively. If you want a small caliber, high velocity AK I point you to the 5.45
Basically, getting an AK in 5.56 is like getting an AR in 7.62x39. You can do it, but why would you?
CajunCatfish47 6 months ago
@CajunCatfish47 dude gotta say i love your catfish thing for your pic, that shit cracked me up...
but how can you say the 556 can not reach the velocities needed threw an ak, like 90% of the people out there that have ar15s have the 16ich barreled version so shouldnt, logically if the ak has a 16ich barrel it provide the same velocities as a 16inch barreled ar...
still god info and ima have to look more into what the 74 has to offer.
dp665 6 months ago
@dp665 The 5.56 was designed to be shot out of a 20" barrel. This allows it to reach 3,000 fps, which is the optimal speed for fragmenting/tumbling. Yeah, most people (including me) have an AR with a 16 inch barrel, but it's "good enough" for a good jhp 5.56. But if I was getting an AR for serious purposes, I'd get a 20 incher. And with a 16" AR all you gotta do is pop 2 pins, take the 16" upper off and put a 20" upper on and your good to go. Not so with an AK.
CajunCatfish47 6 months ago
@CajunCatfish47 I don't believe that's a problem if you use hollow point loadings in a 5.56x45. The hollow point loadings probably outperform the 5.45x39 by far.
esh325 6 months ago
@esh325 Yeah a good hollow point 5.56 is nothing short of devastating
CajunCatfish47 6 months ago
I like my AK47s for 30 caliber fuck shit up action...
If I want to fire a suped up 22, I choose my BushMaster AR15, or my Ruger Mini-14.
jodopeg 7 months ago
@jodopeg but ar15s and ruger mini14 suck ass. you can use them all you want but either your ar15 will jam or your mini 14... well thats just an over priced piece of shit $600 for gun that shoots the same round as an ar15 yet is only accurate out to maybe 200yrds. the ak74 is one kickass weapon.
4everUSNavy 4 months ago
@4everUSNavy
Both my Bush Master AR and my mini14 are great guns,,,if you want to see a P.O.Shit, check out the Keltec SU16.
All the Kalashnikov rifles are legendary, but as carbines that are not precision accurate, I like both ARs and AKs and have both.
Price is not an issue for me, I can go buy any gun I like.
I was considering a Bulgarian AK, the heavier barrel looks good....(4years-USMC, that was enough for me...:)
jodopeg 4 months ago
i owned a mini14 and it was just over priced. my father and cousin also own some and they never shoot them because they just sucked. and sorry but i have no care for a those guns. when i choose between ak and ar15 im not choosing them to go hunting but to go to war and the ak series weapons are the better war rifle. They were ment for harsh conditions and to be mass produced for an Army. the ar15 was just mean to be light weight and accurate
4everUSNavy 4 months ago
@4everUSNavy yup, a mini is not a gun for war, it's a civilian plinker and farm varmint rifle.
And the AR/M16 was light weight and is still the most accurate.
As far as what's better in war, well, I guess it depends upon the terrain and the skill of the individual.
Terrorist handle guns poorly, so for the poorly trained,an AK is better. Me..?, I like that I can pick off an enemy with one shot aided by a scope several hundreds of yards away.
Makes you more of a hunter than an opportunist.
jodopeg 4 months ago
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@4everUSNavy,,but, like I said, I have 2 AKs, 1-AR15 and a Mini-14, so I guess, Comparison aside, I like them all.....:{
jodopeg 4 months ago
@4everUSNavy Dude you seem to not even have a basic grasp of how to write. You really don't know what you're talking about as far as the AR and mini 14 being pieces of shit. If you go out and buy some random AR and some random AK, you know what's more likely to work? The AR. In my experience, AK's can be very hit or miss thanks to the wonders of Socialist labor. AR's, on the other hand, are very cut and dry. Very easy to produce.
CajunCatfish47 4 months ago
@CajunCatfish47 My Colt HBAR doesn't like steel cased ammo.
esh325 4 months ago
@4everUSNavy Also, if you were really a Marine, it seems that you would know that the AR15 is a pretty damn reliable gun. Sure, it had some teething problems back in Vietnam, but today's AR15 is impressively reliable. I've seen WAY more AK's jam than mini 14's or AR15's.
CajunCatfish47 4 months ago
@CajunCatfish47,,I believe he was a Squid, Catfish,,,I'm the ex-marine and I agree.
I have shot thousands of rounds from M16s, as well as AR15s after I got back to civilian life. Never had any serious issues with the gun.
I love the accuracy...! ,,,,,,,Very gratifying seeing your target fall on the first single shot way down range.
And the Bush Master and Colt ARs are my favorite because it's like what I trained with for 4 years,,,,,,Glenn
jodopeg 4 months ago
@CajunCatfish47 I've got a video of my Mini 14 jamming. The only time I ever remember getting a jam with an AK was a crappy Yugo century gun, and a bad 20 round magazine.
esh325 4 months ago
@esh325 ur mama had a 20 round magazine, deal with it.
lololololol
lexmark136 4 months ago
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jodopeg 4 months ago
"they will mess you up" hahahahah
skinywtboy 7 months ago
I would prefer 47 in a battle type situation, punching thru walls, doors, cars, etc and still killing.
74 > M16/AR15
MoisheKapoyr 7 months ago
@MoisheKapoyr
Actually if you want a bullet to go through a wall, baring something like a 20mm or 50 cal, you want a smaller round.
foughtwolf 6 months ago
@foughtwolf The 7.62x39 penetrates far more than the 5.56 or 5.45
CajunCatfish47 6 months ago
I have more ripped if you want them.
556forlunch 7 months ago
NONE IS BETTER IT ALL DEPENDS ON PERSONAL PREFERENCES :<
locomotive147 7 months ago
You lost me at if you really wanna penetrate.... haha sweet ass AKs man
cory07ink 7 months ago
@cory07ink lulz thanks
CajunCatfish47 7 months ago
holy shit this is actually a good video.
derekgrebner87 7 months ago
@derekgrebner87 get on skype
CajunCatfish47 7 months ago
humans=ak74 aliens=ak47
shishiromura 7 months ago
oh boy
Kaihatdiemacht 7 months ago
im first fags
KalashnikovKid762 7 months ago