@ShelterHelperDogs The problem is everything about human society cause suffering, the clothes you where cause just as much suffering, and the gas in your car, and oil in all most every plastic product, the government you pay taxes to does much more, the fruited you eat are from countries that have to be oppresses to get you cheap fruit. I just ask that you say it's a personal decision but don't push your choice on others
This just flawed and based on his limited knowledge of the world, just like the teenager... I grew up with a vegetarian( becoming more vegan now) family. On my dads side, but it's because they are seventh day Adventist( a more moderate Christianity) and so is everybody at the church, old ,successful , and stable. Very conservative.. Your just talking about activist not all vegans
Ok I'm love my meat, but I'm only 30 sec in the video and he's already claiming to know what other people are thinking and their reasons, is he psychic
flesh eating is unprovoked murder all for the mere sake of an appetite,the mass killing and factory farming of animals is a reflection of mans conditioning,selfishness and ignorance
Vegans are the some of the same people who go over to Africa in white Land Rovers trying desperately to make a difference. They always come back disappointed...
What a rediculous video. You have no idea what veganism means. It's not to be superior to everyone else or talk down to people. I went vegan because I want no part in the suffering we put animals through in our farming system. I used to love the taste of meat. I even have a huge Outback grill in my garden I no longer use. I made a non-selfish decision to go vegan out of empathy for other creatures that share our planet. I finally made the connection between meat and suffering.
@ThatGuyFromAustria Because I go out of my way to help animals that need helping. I volunteer at a shelter and try to make choices to make less of an impact on the planet, the animals and my own health. How can you not appreciate that is a good thing? I go out of my way to try and be a better person and you hate me for it. What is wrong with you?
@ShelterHelperDogs, interesting that one can grow to the age of ability to read and write without (sic) getting that every individual life can only exist because of the destruction of other life. Unless you are not a proto-amoeba, you neccessarily cause animal suffering and death.
@liaguris, I prevented this video from being rated because it is a well known fact that fanatics are vastly over-represented in the realm of the internet and they also have a tendency to create vote-bots, call to forums, with other words: Perform violence against opinions unwelcome to them in any way possible. Disabling rating is just a counter-measure. You will also find videos about Israel, evolution (vs. creationism) etc. rate-disabled, for the same reasons. I hope I could enlighten you.
Just do me a favor. GO KILL YOURSELF and the world will be better. You are nothing more than a stubborn fascist . But I would like like to know how much time you had spent thinking that gibberish because I am doing a research on retarded people thinking .
These are not reasons to become vegan. these are mere circumstances that increase the chance of becoming vegan.
The #1 reason to become vegan is compassion - there is so much suffering in the world, and most of us don't want to be the cause of it. some of us are willing enough to change their lifestyle in order to stop contributing to the immense suffering of animals - those are called VEGANS.
in the US alone, 2 billion chickens are tortured to death each year. The numbers are mind-numbing.
@ThatGuyFromAustria I would like to see these videos, as I have no idea what are you talking about. Meanwhile, I will make the assumption that you are talking about specific persons, who have trouble reflecting emotions, and happen to be vegan in addition.
I know a lot of vegans, most of the are easier to reflect emotions than the average person, actually. And if you think it through, it makes sense.
But go ahead and post me those videos. I am eager to see them.
@ThatGuyFromAustria I ve found every vegan Ive met have fallen into one of these catagories.Especially mentally ill. And you cant tell a mentally ill person their choices arent accurate.You'll just end up in a screeming match.Good job with the video
Preaching of any sort should be banned. Who the hell to the Vegans think they are, anyways? Do they have access to data that I do not? If so, who provides that data? For what purpose? My eyes point forward, so I'll continue to eat dead animals, thank you very much. The day I wake up and my eyes have moved to the sides of my head like a deer, though...
Couldn't you say the exact same thing as to why people keep eating meat? They think it's healthy, they eat whatever comes their way like a teenager, they have a mental illness which blocks what the difference is between chicken mcnugget and a live chicken, alienation from not wanting to be different since they grew up eating meat, and naivety from believing what they hear from companies profiting from meat consumption.
@PhilippeNault, alienation??? Humans have eaten meat since 2.5 millions years, and for about 2.5 of these 2.5 million years, people killed the animals they ate. Where was the alienation then? Where were the "companies" then?
@ThatGuyFromAustria first i do not accept vegan movement. I do not eat meat because i do not like it i love beans and for me is enough, are cheap, they do not produce gas to me so is very healthy and nice. Do you really bealive we have been around for 2.5 million years? we only have historical records at most 5 thousand years before Christ. I honestly do not think that we have been around to much before that. Is like dinosaurs.
@ThatGuyFromAustria Is like dinosaurs. Every culture in the world speak about sea monsters and giants, even in biblle mention both. And if you look at dinosaurs anatomy they are so silly, not fisicaly posible. BUt if you take thouse bones you can perfectly make giants and sea monsters, and also dragons, another creature that every culture mention I think people a lot of science is wrong. Another thng, veganism is show on bible a lot. FOr example danilel and his legumes with water diet.
@ThatGuyFromAustria triy it is awesome how it cleans the colon and body for its fiber. half kilo legumes every day with some lemon juice and lettuce and bananas (you actually get all nutrients xD) and carrots. Also in bible says in roman chapter 14 it says how is good to not eat meat but also said that do not matter if you eat it or not that this fact should not be a reason for fighting. I never like to much animals XD i think the main problem with vegan diet are vegans,xD
@ThatGuyFromAustria The diet itself is very healthy (if you knwo what you are doing, most crap and poison food are thouse with tons of sugar and chemicals, preservants, sodas, alcohol, cigarretes, drugs, and shit Also, medicine is crap, you can cure almost anything with te herbs, even depresion and mental illness (whell everithing except from stupidity, something humans have most xD jaja)
Wow, I see a lot of pissed off veggie-nazis. What, did this video trigger a nerve? You know that everything he mentioned applied to you, but you've suppressed them away, and were happy living in denial, but then you hear him mention these things you suppressed, and now they resurfaced and so you try to push them back by attacking this video.
Look vegetarians, I have the solution for your problem!
Instead of refusing meat, why don't you contribute to kill as many children as possible? That way less animals will get killed when the children grow up.
It's easy to join the worlds biggest massacre, just dont do anything and leave 1 kid to die every 3 seconds from starvation, the adults will die from (lab-invented) AIDS anyway.
@ICEGTN Not quite sure what you are trying to say. Pretty sure you're trollin'. At least I hope so. I agree that the starvation and malnutrition is awful and that people should be more aware/do more about it. But I don't see how vegetarians are bad people or are more responsible for the awful happenings in this world because they made a decision about their diet. Non sequitur. Meat eaters have the ability to turn the same blind eye, or have the same compassion towards people as vegetarians.
LOL This video is hilarious, I hear him saying LOGIC LOGIC LOGIC, but the word is the only logic he actually offers up! Listen Amigo, Veganism is a way to minimize the effect of humans on the world. All I can say is you must be REALLY scared of losing those cheeseburgers! lol
It is thinking that made me decide to become vegan. It is not thinking and blind following that caused me to eat meat for over 20 years. Being vegan is better for the body, the earth, and the wallet. I can't do much, but I can do what I can. Plus, it's delicious, and I feel amazing. There are many logical reasons to become a vegan. I prefer to get my nutrients firsthand, rather than secondhand through some animal.
"Do you think that liking something has any relevance for it being right or wrong?" - errr. Just because you think the flesh of a diseased animal is tasty, doesn't mean you should be eating it. People use so many different plants and minerals to make meat taste better; salt, herbs, ketchup, etc. Rarely is it eaten by itself. Most of the tasty isn't even in the meat itself.
@dragonfly51990 I have an entire playlist where many rational arguments against veganism can be found, especially #21 in the playlist and #13, also #11 and others are of some interest.
@Ragnash0 sometimes, more often I eat them baked or grilled and without salt, and yes, that would be one of my favorite ways to eat an onion. They really are quite delicious right out of the ground. I'm being completely serious. You really should try it that way. They're sweet and crunchy and spicy. Nothing like the store-kept old pungent tearfest. Potatoes, to be perfectly honest, are pretty bland. It's all about the kale, eggplant, garlic, tomatoes, beans, carrots, beets, yams, etc.
Typical gravely mumblings of a fool. There are many vegetarians in any and every walk of life. We live in an age/time where we have choices we can make, like to support causes than cause suffering or ones that do not (Or less, for better terms). This is utter foolishness.
@ThatGuyFromAustria hahahaha You are pretty close in your analysis. A bit heavy handed but you did make some good points.
However, you missed completely the biggest reason. Veganism is a religion. What happened is that Western (semi)-vegetarians (for health) found an ancient Eastern religious doctrine called "Ahimsa", combined and converted to this "New Age" religion. First they changed the word vegetarian to Vegan. Then they set about "converting" others to this stricter form.
And Vegans should have nothing to be a little bitch about. Animals aren't just slaughtered for their meat, they're killed for their fur and tusks. That's got nothing to do with food, and the proper diet requires a fair supply of meat. So being vegan might just be the most pointless shit I've ever seen.
Some Vegans are stupid as hell. You really should to eat meat to be healthy. And why the fuck would they go vegan if they're supporting animals when most animals eat meat? Yes, it is understandable that herbivorous animals shouldn't be slaughtered when we have plenty of others to eat. We can also eat vegetables. Animals are smart enough to know how to reproduce. I'm not saying I watch animal porn. Humans are animals. Animals are animals. Does that make us cannibals or is it just a stereotype?
As someone who killed, skinned and gutted animals for food years before I decided to eat a vegan diet, there is no way that you don't know the animal is feeling pain. Animals are scared to the point of shitting and pissing on themselves, and slobbering and 'screaming,' when they're being killed. You accept that as fact when you kill animals for food and become somewhat numb to it - you don't lie and say they don't feel pain. It's easier to lie if the flesh is from the grocery freezer though...
@ThatGuyFromAustria Ahhh! You got jokes! But really - that's it? That's your response? Well, I guess for someone acting as PR Agent for the meat and milk industries, your inclination towards unsubstantiated arguments and obfuscation should be expected. Btw, except for occasional over-the-counter headache tablets to stop the onset of a headache, especially after attempting to make sense of the type of banter people like you peddle to the general public, I don't take drugs, or drink, or smoke.
@marsgoi4, yeah, I know, eating a sausage is equal to the worst crimes ever committed, and every meat-eater is no better than Jeffrey Dahmer, Hitler, Dchengis Khan, Idi Amin and Jack the Ripper together…
Honestly: The comment section of my videos is not the right place to live out your issues. Blocked for one week.
"think, think, think and question" is generally good advice but when you fail to consider the opponent's argument it is no longer a debate, it is preaching. When you call vegans/veggies close minded you are being Hippocratic.
And put on your fucking big girl panties. Honestly. Fucking blocking someone because they commented on the video you put up (might I note, about how it is okay to murder animals to consume their flesh) in a respectful manor, but oh how horrible of them. An opposing opinion.
so point 0 says you shouldn't care: you can be healthy & eat meat 1 says you are too young to know what the hell the world is about but then says you should learn about the world & contradicts itself 2) this points out some truth about man vs beasts but it forgets the issue vegans often have is the 'treatment' of animals being killed for food not that animals die..Compare hunting in the wild :natural life & death to getting your food from concentration camps that end with firing squad death
3) says you are so screwed up & need to be vegan to feel better. Don't forget everything he says that vegans get upset about & are offended for critizing can also be said of a meat eatter! Pot calls the kettle black 4) I'm a student of psychology & have not ever seen PROOF that any one type of diet causes mental illness....there are 'studies' by both sides that indicate whatever they were aiming for because they were paid to side with them but always have a huge amount of speculation & debate
5) Naivety says don't believe everything you hear...I actually agree on that point...it is cleverly worded to seem like believing what vegans say is absurd but I say look at BOTH sides for the lies they tell. Many 'officals" have their hand in the honey pot..such as Mr. Vilsack man of Monsanto supporter of GMO engineering now part of a "Food Safety" team..yea he doesn't have a progative to push anything on the public just like I am sure the guy who made this video doesn't. Become truely informed
OH PS No I'm not vegan...I figured haters might read my posts & assume but you know what they say about assuming ...Truth is I do read & research many topics in an effort to know what is going into my body.
natedogg412 if you want to eat meat, let that stand as your reason alone. Don't pretend, like the maker of the video, that meat production is "doing what you have to do" to feed us poor people of the planet. The poor eat and have far less access to meat - and especially real food - than "better off" western whites and that's because you all hunt and animal farm the land to death to feed your meat greed. Arguments excusing the taking of life are almost always selfish and Hitleresque in motive.
@ThatGuyFromAustria - awwwh, thank you. I bet you tell that little joke to all your victims. Try telling it to the American Indians who European whites gave polio infected blankets to, or the 49 black syphillis infected black males who were kept ignorant of their disease and untreated (for observational purposes), or the Jews in concentration camps in Nazi Germany who were systematically exterminated. Keep those violence-justification disinformation wheels turning. It does work - for awhile.
ThatGuyFromAustria, I am laughing, a little, as I listen to this video. Have you ever lived in "the streets?" Meat is a luxury (and a waste to produce) in poor countries and neighborhoods. The definition of puberty you gave, I do not recognize - and who thinks of any diet as a cure all? Goodness, it is because I "Think, think, think" and then think some more that I no longer buy into the "Drink milk" and "Eat meat" propaganda of consumerism pushers like yourself and the capitalist mainstream.
3. Personal Crisis; This reason again, makes no sense. Once again, totally anecdotal and laughable. Besides that though, is someone finding direction in life in a crisis a bad thing? It may be right or wrong but vegetarianism is not harmful to health
4. Mental health: Purely anecdotal, no you show no evidence, yet demand it of vegetarians.
5. Once again we go back to the scare tactics. Foolish.
I'm gonna go through a few of your videos and just comment about how they don't make sense. I won't even bother putting on the faux-intellectual tone you adopt.
1; adolescence: You previous aversion to racism etc. are negated by you agism
2. no one in the country is attacked by animals. I live in the country. Hunting and killing animals is the most acceptable form of eating meat, it is separated from the un-natural and modern way that meat is now produced
@natedogg412 yup you drink your 3 glasses of cows milk filled with antiboitics and hormones a day and see who gets a disease faster. There are tons of things you can read and facts you can check with medical sciences about the truths of dairy and mass meat consumption. The shit is bad.
haha vegan morally superior and clean enjoy dying years before me when you don't receive the nutrition necessary for and comfortable and fulfilling life. And animal rights mumbo jumbo, sorry if you haven't noticed but there are almost 6.9 billion people in this world and to feed them all some sacrifices must be made.
@freemanbrook It is funny, you say this and no vegans or veggies can respond. All their arguments center around their conscience+morals and the "meat" industry. And when someone comes along and points out an ideal situation to hunt and gather, they have nothing to say back. Props to you, hunting and fishing your own food is the way to go. Just as if we were attacked by a hungry lion, if it is hungry, more power to it. Laws of nature that will NEVER cease.
@thespecter2 ... Really? So, if I decided I liked the taste of human flesh as much as a good porkloin, you'd have no problem with me hunting you down and roasting you on a spit for my evening meal - more power to me? If a lion, tiger, or bear, decides to attack me, I fight back, but just like I don't go out looking for trouble like bullies on a playground, I don't go out of my way to take another humans or animals life. You'd scream like a wuss if you were being gutted for lunch.
@marsgoi4 Of course I would be screaming like a wuss. Point is us humans are all biochemically diverse and what diet may work for some, won't obtain the same results for all.
Humans have canine Teeth.... a CLEAR peice of evidence that we humans are naturaly born to eat meat.... and what about the other things that eat meat? bears lions wolfs???? we are animals just like them. I dont hear vegans complaining about that. so why are they complaining about humans? idiots. eat veggies all you want but dont tell me im wrong when you have no factual evidence supporting your habits...... retards
@JMGRIZZ your not wrong, its more about the inefficiency and cost of mean production (ratio of 8 kg grain in, 1 kg meat out). we have evolved K9 teeth to survive, but we dont need them to survive... however we do also have morals and need those to survive in the long run. maybe research environmental vegetarians.. happy new year my friend!
@kalebird morals are relitive to everyone. my morals are not the same and may contradict your own morals. im saying... if a person wants to be vegan then go ahead and dont preach.
I hate this excuse. Bears, Lions and WolVES, shit outdoors and don't have sex for pleasure. They also can't shop at a grocery store. Saying we should be held to the same standards is lazy and ignorant. The great thing about being human is the ability to reason. We are evolved enough to go to a grocery store with a vast selection of alternative products. We are evolved enough to choose between eating the dead flesh of another animal or not.
@TheAngryVeg excuse? i dont need an excuse to eat meat and you dont need an excuse to be vegan. i dont need an excuse to believe in God do i? btw.... your logic is purely based off culture. and culture is belief. there for rendering your argument non factual. my original statement was to keep your vegan beliefs to yourselves. refer to my conversation with "kalebird" on this video.
@JMGRIZZ That has nothing to do with culture. I'm saying you can't use that we don't complain about wild animals eating other, because the behavior of wild animals has nothing to do with us! As seen in the reasons I stated. You may have said keep your beliefs to yourself, but you didn't keep YOURS to YOURself and you did so in a few simple minded statements. When you mock something that is important to someone, sometimes their reaction is to fight back. Don't like it, practice what you preach
@ThatGuyFromAustria cruel circuses with animals in china? concentrating chickens in battery cages? experimenting with shit in monkeys so women and men alike can have their daily boost of chemical self-esteem? and you talk about alienation? poor discourse if anything. you're welcome to try again.
@cathavenfostermom1 : Definitely agree. Factory farms are an atrocity and even as someone who consumes animals foods I would join in protest and fight for more humane treatment of our livestock including humane methods of killing them.
@GabrielKeLevra What about people who die in coal mining accidents, one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet? Supply and demand. 6TH GRADE ECONOMICS. You ARE hurting people. WE ALL ARE. We are all raping the earth blindfolded and don't even know what we're doing. Vegan isn't the answer to "saving the planet" or ourselves. Finding an alternative to fossil fuels, or, even better, just go back to the kick ass frontier days and make people ACTUALLY WORK for what they have...
@GabrielKeLevra You use your computer, which uses electricity, which is created by burning fossil fuels,, which is stripped from the earth by the ton... so yea.. your still hurting, and the earth, just by using your computer. Animal abuse sucks, but it happens. I don't buy red meat or pork from the store, because I get plenty of that while hunting. But I don't condemn those who choose not to hunt. The validity of your arguments are null when it comes to veganism.
Hahaha. I'm a plant-eater, but I think your video is pretty much spot-on. I don't eat factory meat and probably won't eat even free-range/ecologically-grown meat simply because I find no real use for it, but organized veganism is a cult, actually, they remind me of NAZIs. Especially PETA.
@GabrielKeLevra, talking about "understanding and none sense arguments", you argued that meat eating was void for it was _unneccessary_ for survival, I say, so are a lot of other aspects, why not avoid them also? It the avoiding of the unneccessary now a valid reason to (not) do something or not? [I had plenty of such "discussions" with morons like you before, don't you worry, I perfectly can figure what is coming.]
@GabrielKeLevra, so, you simply DENY arguments that show an essential weakness of the idea of animal rights, and you also right out DENY the grave damage our 1st World lifestyle causes - earlier generations did not do that much damage to the environment, and they survived, without computers, air condition, airplanes, nylon, cardiac pacemaker and stuff - so? If there is one thing you should change, start with your narrow-mindedness.
@GabrielKeLevra, watch my video about Tom Regan. For instance. Or even think about animal rights. So, if a species mustn't do things because it doesn't need it to survive, why are you using a computer? Live in comfort? We don't need to burn petrol and cause climate change threatening life on Earth just because we want to be billions on this planet! So, why not change all this? In the end, we don't need to do it... Please watch my video about Tom Regan.
@GabrielKeLevra, “Animal Rights” is a deeply illogical construct, that does not withstand even superficial scrutiny. You may for example watch my video on Tom Regan for that purpose.
Before using words like “intelligence”, you should first learn about the topic you talk about.
You're an idiot. You assume adolescents are stupid and uneducated because you are clearly threatened by their choices. Just because you conformed I don't have to.
Then you say I must kill animals because in the wild they would kill me. I'm smarter than a wolf. So why would I practice the same things (like violence) as a wolf? If a wolf would kill you, don't hang out in forests late at night.
I'm 15. I'll talk to you when I'm 30 years old. Healthy, loving, and happy. Kisses!
meat require little more digestion than cooked food and infact if we had harnessed fire before learning to scavange we would still have evolved to have a 1300cc brain capacity while staying complete herbivores as it was the raw and difficult to digest nature of our diet that kept us from evolving to have larger brain capacities and not because there is some special 'brain food' in the carcass of other animals.
incase you would like the information...... look up the archaeological family tree and the expensive tissue hypothisis. Basicly when humans first ate meat it was as scavengers not hunters... we had no complex stone tool technology so the only parts we could eat were the soft and easily accessable and detatchable meats such as the brains and organs, this is why we never evolved to have the anatomy of carnivores as these forms of ......
you seem to be labouring under the idea that the society of the present and the most average of all lifestyles within it is the typical ideology of mediocrity. Therefore ANYTHING outside of this very restricted think box, which appears to include drinking to access, watching Xfactor and constantly purchasing unnecessary and useless items (which i may view as due to mental instability) must be considered 'extreme'.
@missmannerstoyou You could then say that the Suffragettes were extremists for believing that women should have equal rights, or that darwin was an extremist for believing in constructing the world through investigative reasoning and evidence rather than religious doctrine. In fact, what you are saying doesn't bare in mind the variability of societies in the present or the changeability of the status quo of the past.
@missmannerstoyou Sorry to disappoint you, but this video is a result of years of experience with those vegan knuckleheads. Being a Deather (=Death Metal fan) and a radial socialist myself, I have to do a lot with people from subcultures, to one of I belong myself.
But nice what you know about me just by a short video clip...
if you are radical socialist then i you must understand the law of reasoning that is universability. If an idea is generally universalisable without creating harm or destruction then it probably stands in good moral soils. Taking our current westernised meat eating diet and applying it to all 6 billion people on the plannet would cause complete distruction of our environment and thus innevitable result in the death of the human species.
@missmannerstoyou: Talking of "universability", did you realize that mankind has eaten meat ever since, and that not one single human tribe lives without using animals? And veganism in fact is a child of the age of romanticism, and has nothing to do with socialism at all. You may check my antivegan video #11 hunger, for economic issues of veganism.
@ThatGuyFromAustria ever since when? You have brought up the wrong argument here. I have studied archaeology and anthropology with a specialisation in present tribal cultures and pre-history, especially in regards to evolution and the human diet. You have obviously very little knowledge of these subjects beyond the ability to use the widest possible of all their overviews and ideas to 'back up' your flawed arguements.
@missmannerstoyou for one,,, you can not use the law of universalisability in conjunction with history to back up a present day situation because in order to universalise an idea one must consider the context. If you talk of the past and present together you are applying a pluralised contextual situation to a mono-theorised philosophy. Thus taking both situations out of context belittling your arguement
also, you say we have been meat eaters 'since.....'. I am taking your lack of complete sentensing to mean that you have not bothered to actually research this point & have rather just slung it in in order to sound impressive and boost your already inflated ego while actually further dismembering your points to anyone who knows even the slightest bit about the evolution of the human species. you seem to just have opinions for opinions sake and not in order to progress as a sentient being.
You say vegans are extremist because they have ideas and actions far beyond what is normal or typical. But since they are extremist they should use violence to promote their agenda. Which they DO NOT.
I don't agree with every vegan argument. And not every view of vegans is 'extremists'. You call me extremist for sharing *some* beliefs with vegans who are *not* as a group 'extremist'.
Stating my opinion that you don't agree with is 'not having anything to do with my life'. Sure. Whatever.
Veganism IS an extremist standpoint (moderate would be vegetarianism), and this very extremism lacks any rational background and can only be explained by matters of thoughtlessnes, lack of knowledge, or - and this very video points to this - pure madness.
Applying a vegan diet to the worlds population would result in greater equality and access to food and also in wealth and most probably equality in production. As a radical socialist equality in wealth, access to basic necessities & the right to localised production & ownership should be things you believe in. Yet your ideas seem to support the oppression of the poorest nations in order to satisfy the tastes of the few & the richest. I am not simply trying to attack you but this makes no sense
@bestseclubuser: But you *take* the extremist's point of view. You totally get absorbed by talking the veggies' cause, so what? If you have nothing to do with your life, I suggest you don't do it here.
@bestseclubuser So what? Einstein was not a vegetarian either, and still he spoke the word of vegetarianism. Or would you doubt you are clearly PRO veggies?
'Maybe'? Maybe you are a psycho who hates a group of people because he feels bad just by their presence and wouldn't mind spending hours and hours of his life making videos with his bullshit arguments just to feel a bit better for what he does.
Maybe you are a hunter who enjoys stabbing prey with a knife, or just enjoys torturing his pet dog. I don't know, 'maybe'.
Oh yeah, everybody whos says something against extremists neccessarily is evil - from the extremist's point of view. I really and definetely CAN live with that :-)
@bestseclubuser: Easy, the purpose of this video is to explain that the reason for all the bullshit in vegan argumentation or lifestyle maybe that they're just a bunch of psychos. Thank your for your attention.
@bestseclubuser: That is because he is talking about the vegans who say it's wrong to eat animals and that EVERYONE in the world should go vegan, or at least vegetarian, rather they like it or not and rather they can or not. These people are not the worse, I have personally been told that because I "murder" animals then the vegans, who are morally superior and take the cruelty free life style, are now able to "kill the fuck" out of me. I've seen them cheer a hunters death and want more. Moral?
Yes, there are certain areas of the world where you cannot grow plants or have foods shipped too and that is the ONLY situation in which I will admit it would not be possible to be Vegan. However this is not the majority of the world at all. I am infinitely sorry if you have been insulted or disrespected by a Vegan, we are not all judgemental a-holes.
Yes, there are certain areas of the world where you cannot grow plants or have foods shipped too and that is the ONLY situation in which I will admit it would not be possible to be Vegan. However this is not the majority of the world at all. I am infinitely sorry if you have been insulted or disrespected by a Vegan, we are not all judgemental a-holes.
It is not possible to be vegan if you do not have a chemical industry that could supply you with supplements, and in fact you can hunt almost everywhere (including the desert and the antarctic or Greenland), but you can grow crop only on special soils, you can't even grow crop in most mountainous regions - here in the Alps, you can grow crop only in the valleys.
Nope, the only reason why I block people - if ever - is if they are insulting. If you have an argument, how ridiculous it may ever be, feel free and welcome to post it. I do not suffer people who just don't like what they hear and call me names because they have no arguments.
as far as reason 3 goes, that is the way a lot of recruiters convince people to join the armies of the world, convincing them it will help them cure the ills of their lives, not that it doesn't do some people good.
I grew up in a farming country! I have actually helped slaughter some of the meat I ate even at a very young age. I know how the meat industry works! I've been a meat eater and a vegan! I know both sides of it! I'm still a vegan though! You're extremely narrow minded generalisation of veggies is naive and judgmental. Instead of spending so much energy proving veggies wrong you should do something good with your life. Give some money to the poor or something.
Well, you may want to waste a thought on the various ideologies of that "animal rights thing", you may want to think about how veggies behave and what they do, there ARE NO rational reasons behind it, because if they were thinking rationally, they would not go vegan.
That's irrelevant. You don't need a car or a bike or a computer to post hypocritical drivel on youtube to survive do you? And since owning all those things means you are responsible for destroying habitat by BEING a consumer, you are no better than anyone. And BTW, Humans are omnivores, and vegetarianism is not healthier. Wheat is murder!
TheSara2312 is a typical "animal lover" or "environmentalist". She thinks that going around decrying the meat industry absolves her from her own "crimes". She forgets that her modern lifestyle makes her a consumer, and as such she CONTRIBUTES to the destruction of the planet simply by consuming. But that won't stop her from blasting others with her own twisted dogma. When was the last time she went off and lived in a cave and ate berries and nuts and gave up her consumerism? Likely never.
Thanks but you are missing something here: Why should a meat eater have to kill an animal with a weapon that they have made? Do you communicate with your computer or phone or do you use something you made yourself? Do you drive or ride a bike or do you travel by a means that you made yourself? Do you sleep on a bed and matress made in a factory or on bedding you made yourself from cedar branches and leaves? See what I am getting at? I appreciate your point, but technology makes life easy.
wtf probably the most uneducated crap i've ever watched. animals are my friends. If it was life or death I would kill the wolf. but this does not justify me ending a life simply because I am hungry. probably should stop telling people to think and question too : / not thinking and questioning is pretty much what the meat industry is based on
@ShelterHelperDogs The problem is everything about human society cause suffering, the clothes you where cause just as much suffering, and the gas in your car, and oil in all most every plastic product, the government you pay taxes to does much more, the fruited you eat are from countries that have to be oppresses to get you cheap fruit. I just ask that you say it's a personal decision but don't push your choice on others
deadkip 1 week ago
This just flawed and based on his limited knowledge of the world, just like the teenager... I grew up with a vegetarian( becoming more vegan now) family. On my dads side, but it's because they are seventh day Adventist( a more moderate Christianity) and so is everybody at the church, old ,successful , and stable. Very conservative.. Your just talking about activist not all vegans
deadkip 1 week ago
Ok I'm love my meat, but I'm only 30 sec in the video and he's already claiming to know what other people are thinking and their reasons, is he psychic
deadkip 1 week ago
flesh eating is unprovoked murder all for the mere sake of an appetite,the mass killing and factory farming of animals is a reflection of mans conditioning,selfishness and ignorance
robert76865 1 week ago
Vegans are the some of the same people who go over to Africa in white Land Rovers trying desperately to make a difference. They always come back disappointed...
toothANDclaw13 1 week ago
Everything you say about veganism is wrong.
Your video only shows that you hate vegans (perhaps because deep in yourself you feel that you should act more ethically?).
Nobody takes you seriously.
natija08 3 weeks ago
What a rediculous video. You have no idea what veganism means. It's not to be superior to everyone else or talk down to people. I went vegan because I want no part in the suffering we put animals through in our farming system. I used to love the taste of meat. I even have a huge Outback grill in my garden I no longer use. I made a non-selfish decision to go vegan out of empathy for other creatures that share our planet. I finally made the connection between meat and suffering.
ShelterHelperDogs 1 month ago
@ShelterHelperDogs, well, if you don't want to cause animal suffering, why don't you kill yourself? Seriously.
ThatGuyFromAustria 4 weeks ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria Because I go out of my way to help animals that need helping. I volunteer at a shelter and try to make choices to make less of an impact on the planet, the animals and my own health. How can you not appreciate that is a good thing? I go out of my way to try and be a better person and you hate me for it. What is wrong with you?
ShelterHelperDogs 4 weeks ago
@ShelterHelperDogs, interesting that one can grow to the age of ability to read and write without (sic) getting that every individual life can only exist because of the destruction of other life. Unless you are not a proto-amoeba, you neccessarily cause animal suffering and death.
ThatGuyFromAustria 3 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@ThatGuyFromAustria Rudeness is a weak persons attempt at strength ;o)
ShelterHelperDogs 4 weeks ago
Also I would like to know why you dont let people like or dislike this video . I am wondering who does propaganda .
liaguris 4 months ago
@liaguris, I prevented this video from being rated because it is a well known fact that fanatics are vastly over-represented in the realm of the internet and they also have a tendency to create vote-bots, call to forums, with other words: Perform violence against opinions unwelcome to them in any way possible. Disabling rating is just a counter-measure. You will also find videos about Israel, evolution (vs. creationism) etc. rate-disabled, for the same reasons. I hope I could enlighten you.
ThatGuyFromAustria 4 months ago
Just do me a favor. GO KILL YOURSELF and the world will be better. You are nothing more than a stubborn fascist . But I would like like to know how much time you had spent thinking that gibberish because I am doing a research on retarded people thinking .
liaguris 4 months ago
@liaguris, I wonder why you go off like this. Maybe I just hit a nerve. Or several.
ThatGuyFromAustria 4 months ago
These are not reasons to become vegan. these are mere circumstances that increase the chance of becoming vegan.
The #1 reason to become vegan is compassion - there is so much suffering in the world, and most of us don't want to be the cause of it. some of us are willing enough to change their lifestyle in order to stop contributing to the immense suffering of animals - those are called VEGANS.
in the US alone, 2 billion chickens are tortured to death each year. The numbers are mind-numbing.
pinkasey 4 months ago
@pinkasey, the #1 reason to become vegan is a complete lack of the ability to reflect emotions. I think I have a video or two on that matter.
ThatGuyFromAustria 4 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria I would like to see these videos, as I have no idea what are you talking about. Meanwhile, I will make the assumption that you are talking about specific persons, who have trouble reflecting emotions, and happen to be vegan in addition.
I know a lot of vegans, most of the are easier to reflect emotions than the average person, actually. And if you think it through, it makes sense.
But go ahead and post me those videos. I am eager to see them.
pinkasey 4 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria I ve found every vegan Ive met have fallen into one of these catagories.Especially mentally ill. And you cant tell a mentally ill person their choices arent accurate.You'll just end up in a screeming match.Good job with the video
TheCHEVYNATOR 4 months ago
Thank you, guy from Austria for this video. I wish I could word stuff the way you do. Keep up the good videos.
KawaiiKemonomimi 4 months ago
Preaching of any sort should be banned. Who the hell to the Vegans think they are, anyways? Do they have access to data that I do not? If so, who provides that data? For what purpose? My eyes point forward, so I'll continue to eat dead animals, thank you very much. The day I wake up and my eyes have moved to the sides of my head like a deer, though...
MrKALSTEAK 4 months ago
Couldn't you say the exact same thing as to why people keep eating meat? They think it's healthy, they eat whatever comes their way like a teenager, they have a mental illness which blocks what the difference is between chicken mcnugget and a live chicken, alienation from not wanting to be different since they grew up eating meat, and naivety from believing what they hear from companies profiting from meat consumption.
That was a waste of time...
PhilippeNault 4 months ago
@PhilippeNault, alienation??? Humans have eaten meat since 2.5 millions years, and for about 2.5 of these 2.5 million years, people killed the animals they ate. Where was the alienation then? Where were the "companies" then?
Psycho…
ThatGuyFromAustria 4 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria first i do not accept vegan movement. I do not eat meat because i do not like it i love beans and for me is enough, are cheap, they do not produce gas to me so is very healthy and nice. Do you really bealive we have been around for 2.5 million years? we only have historical records at most 5 thousand years before Christ. I honestly do not think that we have been around to much before that. Is like dinosaurs.
irlumir 4 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria Is like dinosaurs. Every culture in the world speak about sea monsters and giants, even in biblle mention both. And if you look at dinosaurs anatomy they are so silly, not fisicaly posible. BUt if you take thouse bones you can perfectly make giants and sea monsters, and also dragons, another creature that every culture mention I think people a lot of science is wrong. Another thng, veganism is show on bible a lot. FOr example danilel and his legumes with water diet.
irlumir 4 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria triy it is awesome how it cleans the colon and body for its fiber. half kilo legumes every day with some lemon juice and lettuce and bananas (you actually get all nutrients xD) and carrots. Also in bible says in roman chapter 14 it says how is good to not eat meat but also said that do not matter if you eat it or not that this fact should not be a reason for fighting. I never like to much animals XD i think the main problem with vegan diet are vegans,xD
irlumir 4 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria The diet itself is very healthy (if you knwo what you are doing, most crap and poison food are thouse with tons of sugar and chemicals, preservants, sodas, alcohol, cigarretes, drugs, and shit Also, medicine is crap, you can cure almost anything with te herbs, even depresion and mental illness (whell everithing except from stupidity, something humans have most xD jaja)
Cya
irlumir 4 months ago
@irlumir Herbs don't cure most diseases,
lovebigboobs29 1 month ago
Wow, I see a lot of pissed off veggie-nazis. What, did this video trigger a nerve? You know that everything he mentioned applied to you, but you've suppressed them away, and were happy living in denial, but then you hear him mention these things you suppressed, and now they resurfaced and so you try to push them back by attacking this video.
Tommy9834 7 months ago
Instead of going vegetarian why don't they help the poor ppl?
ICEGTN 7 months ago
Look vegetarians, I have the solution for your problem!
Instead of refusing meat, why don't you contribute to kill as many children as possible? That way less animals will get killed when the children grow up.
It's easy to join the worlds biggest massacre, just dont do anything and leave 1 kid to die every 3 seconds from starvation, the adults will die from (lab-invented) AIDS anyway.
ICEGTN 7 months ago
@ICEGTN Not quite sure what you are trying to say. Pretty sure you're trollin'. At least I hope so. I agree that the starvation and malnutrition is awful and that people should be more aware/do more about it. But I don't see how vegetarians are bad people or are more responsible for the awful happenings in this world because they made a decision about their diet. Non sequitur. Meat eaters have the ability to turn the same blind eye, or have the same compassion towards people as vegetarians.
dragonfly51990 7 months ago
@dragonfly51990 Didn't you notice that vegetarians show themselves superior to others on a moral basis?
ICEGTN 7 months ago
@ICEGTN Not all. That is a generalization. Also has nothing to do with what I was talking about or what you were talking about.
dragonfly51990 7 months ago
Bravo! I wish I had a mentor as wise as you. :) Seriously, very well done.
wigwamman1 8 months ago
LOL This video is hilarious, I hear him saying LOGIC LOGIC LOGIC, but the word is the only logic he actually offers up! Listen Amigo, Veganism is a way to minimize the effect of humans on the world. All I can say is you must be REALLY scared of losing those cheeseburgers! lol
Agapimou16 8 months ago
@Agapimou16 and i can say that you sir are killing endangered animals
cartoonkingforeever 8 months ago
It is thinking that made me decide to become vegan. It is not thinking and blind following that caused me to eat meat for over 20 years. Being vegan is better for the body, the earth, and the wallet. I can't do much, but I can do what I can. Plus, it's delicious, and I feel amazing. There are many logical reasons to become a vegan. I prefer to get my nutrients firsthand, rather than secondhand through some animal.
dragonfly51990 8 months ago
"Do you think that liking something has any relevance for it being right or wrong?" - errr. Just because you think the flesh of a diseased animal is tasty, doesn't mean you should be eating it. People use so many different plants and minerals to make meat taste better; salt, herbs, ketchup, etc. Rarely is it eaten by itself. Most of the tasty isn't even in the meat itself.
dragonfly51990 8 months ago
@dragonfly51990 I have an entire playlist where many rational arguments against veganism can be found, especially #21 in the playlist and #13, also #11 and others are of some interest.
ThatGuyFromAustria 8 months ago
@dragonfly51990 Do you eat your potatoes raw and without salt? Have you ever picked up an onion from the ground and eat it?
Ragnash0 7 months ago
@Ragnash0 sometimes, more often I eat them baked or grilled and without salt, and yes, that would be one of my favorite ways to eat an onion. They really are quite delicious right out of the ground. I'm being completely serious. You really should try it that way. They're sweet and crunchy and spicy. Nothing like the store-kept old pungent tearfest. Potatoes, to be perfectly honest, are pretty bland. It's all about the kale, eggplant, garlic, tomatoes, beans, carrots, beets, yams, etc.
dragonfly51990 7 months ago
Typical gravely mumblings of a fool. There are many vegetarians in any and every walk of life. We live in an age/time where we have choices we can make, like to support causes than cause suffering or ones that do not (Or less, for better terms). This is utter foolishness.
TrahelionLunar 8 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria hahahaha You are pretty close in your analysis. A bit heavy handed but you did make some good points.
However, you missed completely the biggest reason. Veganism is a religion. What happened is that Western (semi)-vegetarians (for health) found an ancient Eastern religious doctrine called "Ahimsa", combined and converted to this "New Age" religion. First they changed the word vegetarian to Vegan. Then they set about "converting" others to this stricter form.
rosepetal108 8 months ago
And Vegans should have nothing to be a little bitch about. Animals aren't just slaughtered for their meat, they're killed for their fur and tusks. That's got nothing to do with food, and the proper diet requires a fair supply of meat. So being vegan might just be the most pointless shit I've ever seen.
redevanescencewolf 9 months ago
Some Vegans are stupid as hell. You really should to eat meat to be healthy. And why the fuck would they go vegan if they're supporting animals when most animals eat meat? Yes, it is understandable that herbivorous animals shouldn't be slaughtered when we have plenty of others to eat. We can also eat vegetables. Animals are smart enough to know how to reproduce. I'm not saying I watch animal porn. Humans are animals. Animals are animals. Does that make us cannibals or is it just a stereotype?
redevanescencewolf 9 months ago
ignant mofo
LoveKingArthur 9 months ago
As someone who killed, skinned and gutted animals for food years before I decided to eat a vegan diet, there is no way that you don't know the animal is feeling pain. Animals are scared to the point of shitting and pissing on themselves, and slobbering and 'screaming,' when they're being killed. You accept that as fact when you kill animals for food and become somewhat numb to it - you don't lie and say they don't feel pain. It's easier to lie if the flesh is from the grocery freezer though...
marsgoi4 10 months ago
@marsgoi4, yeah, buddy, everything's gonna be fine. Take your pills, try to relax, and sleep it over.
ThatGuyFromAustria 10 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria Ahhh! You got jokes! But really - that's it? That's your response? Well, I guess for someone acting as PR Agent for the meat and milk industries, your inclination towards unsubstantiated arguments and obfuscation should be expected. Btw, except for occasional over-the-counter headache tablets to stop the onset of a headache, especially after attempting to make sense of the type of banter people like you peddle to the general public, I don't take drugs, or drink, or smoke.
marsgoi4 10 months ago
@marsgoi4, yeah, I know, eating a sausage is equal to the worst crimes ever committed, and every meat-eater is no better than Jeffrey Dahmer, Hitler, Dchengis Khan, Idi Amin and Jack the Ripper together…
Honestly: The comment section of my videos is not the right place to live out your issues. Blocked for one week.
ThatGuyFromAustria 10 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria
"think, think, think and question" is generally good advice but when you fail to consider the opponent's argument it is no longer a debate, it is preaching. When you call vegans/veggies close minded you are being Hippocratic.
metsoforte 10 months ago
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gubby741 9 months ago
@gubby741 Your argument is so convincing and well crafted that I have no way to refute it. well done.
metsoforte 9 months ago
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gubby741 9 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria Uhm, yea. Flesh is flesh no matter how you cut it.
And put on your fucking big girl panties. Honestly. Fucking blocking someone because they commented on the video you put up (might I note, about how it is okay to murder animals to consume their flesh) in a respectful manor, but oh how horrible of them. An opposing opinion.
Jessaymae 9 months ago
@Jessaymae, who are you talking about? marsgoi? He is not blocked.
ThatGuyFromAustria 9 months ago
so point 0 says you shouldn't care: you can be healthy & eat meat 1 says you are too young to know what the hell the world is about but then says you should learn about the world & contradicts itself 2) this points out some truth about man vs beasts but it forgets the issue vegans often have is the 'treatment' of animals being killed for food not that animals die..Compare hunting in the wild :natural life & death to getting your food from concentration camps that end with firing squad death
adoravenus3 10 months ago
3) says you are so screwed up & need to be vegan to feel better. Don't forget everything he says that vegans get upset about & are offended for critizing can also be said of a meat eatter! Pot calls the kettle black 4) I'm a student of psychology & have not ever seen PROOF that any one type of diet causes mental illness....there are 'studies' by both sides that indicate whatever they were aiming for because they were paid to side with them but always have a huge amount of speculation & debate
adoravenus3 10 months ago
5) Naivety says don't believe everything you hear...I actually agree on that point...it is cleverly worded to seem like believing what vegans say is absurd but I say look at BOTH sides for the lies they tell. Many 'officals" have their hand in the honey pot..such as Mr. Vilsack man of Monsanto supporter of GMO engineering now part of a "Food Safety" team..yea he doesn't have a progative to push anything on the public just like I am sure the guy who made this video doesn't. Become truely informed
adoravenus3 10 months ago
OH PS No I'm not vegan...I figured haters might read my posts & assume but you know what they say about assuming ...Truth is I do read & research many topics in an effort to know what is going into my body.
adoravenus3 10 months ago
natedogg412 if you want to eat meat, let that stand as your reason alone. Don't pretend, like the maker of the video, that meat production is "doing what you have to do" to feed us poor people of the planet. The poor eat and have far less access to meat - and especially real food - than "better off" western whites and that's because you all hunt and animal farm the land to death to feed your meat greed. Arguments excusing the taking of life are almost always selfish and Hitleresque in motive.
marsgoi4 11 months ago
@marsgoi4, I'd say, reasons #2 and #5 perfectly explain that statement of yours.
ThatGuyFromAustria 11 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria, yes, you could say that reasons #2 and #5 perfectly explain that statement of mine... but you'd be wrong.
marsgoi4 10 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria, by the way, which meat and milk companies are you doing PR for?
marsgoi4 10 months ago
@marsgoi4, congratulations! You are NOT paranoid, they are really behind you.
ThatGuyFromAustria 10 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria - awwwh, thank you. I bet you tell that little joke to all your victims. Try telling it to the American Indians who European whites gave polio infected blankets to, or the 49 black syphillis infected black males who were kept ignorant of their disease and untreated (for observational purposes), or the Jews in concentration camps in Nazi Germany who were systematically exterminated. Keep those violence-justification disinformation wheels turning. It does work - for awhile.
marsgoi4 10 months ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria - correction - "...American Indians who European whites gave SMALLPOX infected blankets to..."
marsgoi4 10 months ago
ThatGuyFromAustria, I am laughing, a little, as I listen to this video. Have you ever lived in "the streets?" Meat is a luxury (and a waste to produce) in poor countries and neighborhoods. The definition of puberty you gave, I do not recognize - and who thinks of any diet as a cure all? Goodness, it is because I "Think, think, think" and then think some more that I no longer buy into the "Drink milk" and "Eat meat" propaganda of consumerism pushers like yourself and the capitalist mainstream.
marsgoi4 11 months ago
3. Personal Crisis; This reason again, makes no sense. Once again, totally anecdotal and laughable. Besides that though, is someone finding direction in life in a crisis a bad thing? It may be right or wrong but vegetarianism is not harmful to health
4. Mental health: Purely anecdotal, no you show no evidence, yet demand it of vegetarians.
5. Once again we go back to the scare tactics. Foolish.
I'll see if I can bothered to keep commenting
HoudiniRadini 1 year ago
I'm gonna go through a few of your videos and just comment about how they don't make sense. I won't even bother putting on the faux-intellectual tone you adopt.
1; adolescence: You previous aversion to racism etc. are negated by you agism
2. no one in the country is attacked by animals. I live in the country. Hunting and killing animals is the most acceptable form of eating meat, it is separated from the un-natural and modern way that meat is now produced
HoudiniRadini 1 year ago
@natedogg412 yup you drink your 3 glasses of cows milk filled with antiboitics and hormones a day and see who gets a disease faster. There are tons of things you can read and facts you can check with medical sciences about the truths of dairy and mass meat consumption. The shit is bad.
ericisaflamer 1 year ago
haha vegan morally superior and clean enjoy dying years before me when you don't receive the nutrition necessary for and comfortable and fulfilling life. And animal rights mumbo jumbo, sorry if you haven't noticed but there are almost 6.9 billion people in this world and to feed them all some sacrifices must be made.
natedogg412 1 year ago
@freemanbrook It is funny, you say this and no vegans or veggies can respond. All their arguments center around their conscience+morals and the "meat" industry. And when someone comes along and points out an ideal situation to hunt and gather, they have nothing to say back. Props to you, hunting and fishing your own food is the way to go. Just as if we were attacked by a hungry lion, if it is hungry, more power to it. Laws of nature that will NEVER cease.
thespecter2 1 year ago
@thespecter2 ... Really? So, if I decided I liked the taste of human flesh as much as a good porkloin, you'd have no problem with me hunting you down and roasting you on a spit for my evening meal - more power to me? If a lion, tiger, or bear, decides to attack me, I fight back, but just like I don't go out looking for trouble like bullies on a playground, I don't go out of my way to take another humans or animals life. You'd scream like a wuss if you were being gutted for lunch.
marsgoi4 11 months ago
@marsgoi4 Of course I would be screaming like a wuss. Point is us humans are all biochemically diverse and what diet may work for some, won't obtain the same results for all.
thespecter2 11 months ago
Humans have canine Teeth.... a CLEAR peice of evidence that we humans are naturaly born to eat meat.... and what about the other things that eat meat? bears lions wolfs???? we are animals just like them. I dont hear vegans complaining about that. so why are they complaining about humans? idiots. eat veggies all you want but dont tell me im wrong when you have no factual evidence supporting your habits...... retards
JMGRIZZ 1 year ago
@JMGRIZZ your not wrong, its more about the inefficiency and cost of mean production (ratio of 8 kg grain in, 1 kg meat out). we have evolved K9 teeth to survive, but we dont need them to survive... however we do also have morals and need those to survive in the long run. maybe research environmental vegetarians.. happy new year my friend!
kalebird 1 year ago
@kalebird morals are relitive to everyone. my morals are not the same and may contradict your own morals. im saying... if a person wants to be vegan then go ahead and dont preach.
JMGRIZZ 1 year ago
@JMGRIZZ yea fair enough.
kalebird 1 year ago
@JMGRIZZ
I hate this excuse. Bears, Lions and WolVES, shit outdoors and don't have sex for pleasure. They also can't shop at a grocery store. Saying we should be held to the same standards is lazy and ignorant. The great thing about being human is the ability to reason. We are evolved enough to go to a grocery store with a vast selection of alternative products. We are evolved enough to choose between eating the dead flesh of another animal or not.
TheAngryVeg 1 year ago
@TheAngryVeg excuse? i dont need an excuse to eat meat and you dont need an excuse to be vegan. i dont need an excuse to believe in God do i? btw.... your logic is purely based off culture. and culture is belief. there for rendering your argument non factual. my original statement was to keep your vegan beliefs to yourselves. refer to my conversation with "kalebird" on this video.
JMGRIZZ 1 year ago
@JMGRIZZ That has nothing to do with culture. I'm saying you can't use that we don't complain about wild animals eating other, because the behavior of wild animals has nothing to do with us! As seen in the reasons I stated. You may have said keep your beliefs to yourself, but you didn't keep YOURS to YOURself and you did so in a few simple minded statements. When you mock something that is important to someone, sometimes their reaction is to fight back. Don't like it, practice what you preach
TheAngryVeg 1 year ago
Wow that's an incredibly insulting video. What a self-satisfied prick.
TheOmegajuice 1 year ago
@freemanbrook : This is further supported by the Okinawan diet which is heavily plant-based and supplemented with small amounts of animal foods.
auggiedoggy 1 year ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria cruel circuses with animals in china? concentrating chickens in battery cages? experimenting with shit in monkeys so women and men alike can have their daily boost of chemical self-esteem? and you talk about alienation? poor discourse if anything. you're welcome to try again.
ocurro 1 year ago
Hey Asshole, I'm #0, check out the China Study and get your facts straight.
steelyburt 1 year ago
Just don't support factory farms because animal cruelty is wrong.
By organic meat and other animal products that are produced in
a humane way.
cathavenfostermom1 1 year ago
@cathavenfostermom1 : Definitely agree. Factory farms are an atrocity and even as someone who consumes animals foods I would join in protest and fight for more humane treatment of our livestock including humane methods of killing them.
auggiedoggy 1 year ago
@GabrielKeLevra What about people who die in coal mining accidents, one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet? Supply and demand. 6TH GRADE ECONOMICS. You ARE hurting people. WE ALL ARE. We are all raping the earth blindfolded and don't even know what we're doing. Vegan isn't the answer to "saving the planet" or ourselves. Finding an alternative to fossil fuels, or, even better, just go back to the kick ass frontier days and make people ACTUALLY WORK for what they have...
WildlifeSeriaLKiller 1 year ago
@GabrielKeLevra You use your computer, which uses electricity, which is created by burning fossil fuels,, which is stripped from the earth by the ton... so yea.. your still hurting, and the earth, just by using your computer. Animal abuse sucks, but it happens. I don't buy red meat or pork from the store, because I get plenty of that while hunting. But I don't condemn those who choose not to hunt. The validity of your arguments are null when it comes to veganism.
WildlifeSeriaLKiller 1 year ago
This are the pathetic reasons i have ever heard.......seriously
AkkiSantana 1 year ago
I love and wholly agree with your assessment of the "Expert Child" syndrome.
destroyentropy 1 year ago
Hahaha. I'm a plant-eater, but I think your video is pretty much spot-on. I don't eat factory meat and probably won't eat even free-range/ecologically-grown meat simply because I find no real use for it, but organized veganism is a cult, actually, they remind me of NAZIs. Especially PETA.
maugustyniak 1 year ago
@GabrielKeLevra, talking about "understanding and none sense arguments", you argued that meat eating was void for it was _unneccessary_ for survival, I say, so are a lot of other aspects, why not avoid them also? It the avoiding of the unneccessary now a valid reason to (not) do something or not? [I had plenty of such "discussions" with morons like you before, don't you worry, I perfectly can figure what is coming.]
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria you're making this _unneccessarily_ complicated. you satanist prick. ;)
ocurro 1 year ago
@GabrielKeLevra, so, you simply DENY arguments that show an essential weakness of the idea of animal rights, and you also right out DENY the grave damage our 1st World lifestyle causes - earlier generations did not do that much damage to the environment, and they survived, without computers, air condition, airplanes, nylon, cardiac pacemaker and stuff - so? If there is one thing you should change, start with your narrow-mindedness.
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
@GabrielKeLevra, watch my video about Tom Regan. For instance. Or even think about animal rights. So, if a species mustn't do things because it doesn't need it to survive, why are you using a computer? Live in comfort? We don't need to burn petrol and cause climate change threatening life on Earth just because we want to be billions on this planet! So, why not change all this? In the end, we don't need to do it... Please watch my video about Tom Regan.
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
what an idiot!
RaffiMarat 1 year ago
@GabrielKeLevra, “Animal Rights” is a deeply illogical construct, that does not withstand even superficial scrutiny. You may for example watch my video on Tom Regan for that purpose.
Before using words like “intelligence”, you should first learn about the topic you talk about.
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
la cosa mas estupida que he visto....
Deliciously88 1 year ago
@Deliciously88, how can you tell that this is the most stupid thing you've ever watched, when you even don't speak the language...?
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
I believe this video to be the most intelligent one I have seen in a long time.
Frankydoesitalso 1 year ago
Thank you thank you thank you!! it is impressive how hard is to find a worth video in you tube!!
gordilloedwin 1 year ago
You're an idiot. You assume adolescents are stupid and uneducated because you are clearly threatened by their choices. Just because you conformed I don't have to.
Then you say I must kill animals because in the wild they would kill me. I'm smarter than a wolf. So why would I practice the same things (like violence) as a wolf? If a wolf would kill you, don't hang out in forests late at night.
I'm 15. I'll talk to you when I'm 30 years old. Healthy, loving, and happy. Kisses!
AwkwardSoupTv 1 year ago
@AwkwardSoupTv yeah go on enjoy your puberty, boy
Frankydoesitalso 1 year ago
@AwkwardSoupTv Ironically your post proved his point: you are stupid.
angrydead 1 year ago
lol...love your reasons..truth.
Morethanenough1 1 year ago
@akimtw: I now. I'm even cans talk de English langage. And me alwas take serios vegans.
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
He's an idiot.
Ignacio43 1 year ago
@ 3:00 you make an excellent point. How i deeply admire your logic. thank you very much! :)
ronny4ever123 1 year ago
lets see a fricken lion be vegan when that happens i will to
lemonbery 1 year ago
meat require little more digestion than cooked food and infact if we had harnessed fire before learning to scavange we would still have evolved to have a 1300cc brain capacity while staying complete herbivores as it was the raw and difficult to digest nature of our diet that kept us from evolving to have larger brain capacities and not because there is some special 'brain food' in the carcass of other animals.
missmannerstoyou 1 year ago
incase you would like the information...... look up the archaeological family tree and the expensive tissue hypothisis. Basicly when humans first ate meat it was as scavengers not hunters... we had no complex stone tool technology so the only parts we could eat were the soft and easily accessable and detatchable meats such as the brains and organs, this is why we never evolved to have the anatomy of carnivores as these forms of ......
missmannerstoyou 1 year ago
you seem to be labouring under the idea that the society of the present and the most average of all lifestyles within it is the typical ideology of mediocrity. Therefore ANYTHING outside of this very restricted think box, which appears to include drinking to access, watching Xfactor and constantly purchasing unnecessary and useless items (which i may view as due to mental instability) must be considered 'extreme'.
missmannerstoyou 1 year ago
@missmannerstoyou You could then say that the Suffragettes were extremists for believing that women should have equal rights, or that darwin was an extremist for believing in constructing the world through investigative reasoning and evidence rather than religious doctrine. In fact, what you are saying doesn't bare in mind the variability of societies in the present or the changeability of the status quo of the past.
missmannerstoyou 1 year ago
@missmannerstoyou Sorry to disappoint you, but this video is a result of years of experience with those vegan knuckleheads. Being a Deather (=Death Metal fan) and a radial socialist myself, I have to do a lot with people from subcultures, to one of I belong myself.
But nice what you know about me just by a short video clip...
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
if you are radical socialist then i you must understand the law of reasoning that is universability. If an idea is generally universalisable without creating harm or destruction then it probably stands in good moral soils. Taking our current westernised meat eating diet and applying it to all 6 billion people on the plannet would cause complete distruction of our environment and thus innevitable result in the death of the human species.
missmannerstoyou 1 year ago
@missmannerstoyou: Talking of "universability", did you realize that mankind has eaten meat ever since, and that not one single human tribe lives without using animals? And veganism in fact is a child of the age of romanticism, and has nothing to do with socialism at all. You may check my antivegan video #11 hunger, for economic issues of veganism.
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
@ThatGuyFromAustria ever since when? You have brought up the wrong argument here. I have studied archaeology and anthropology with a specialisation in present tribal cultures and pre-history, especially in regards to evolution and the human diet. You have obviously very little knowledge of these subjects beyond the ability to use the widest possible of all their overviews and ideas to 'back up' your flawed arguements.
missmannerstoyou 1 year ago
@missmannerstoyou for one,,, you can not use the law of universalisability in conjunction with history to back up a present day situation because in order to universalise an idea one must consider the context. If you talk of the past and present together you are applying a pluralised contextual situation to a mono-theorised philosophy. Thus taking both situations out of context belittling your arguement
missmannerstoyou 1 year ago
also, you say we have been meat eaters 'since.....'. I am taking your lack of complete sentensing to mean that you have not bothered to actually research this point & have rather just slung it in in order to sound impressive and boost your already inflated ego while actually further dismembering your points to anyone who knows even the slightest bit about the evolution of the human species. you seem to just have opinions for opinions sake and not in order to progress as a sentient being.
missmannerstoyou 1 year ago
*facepalm*
You say vegans are extremist because they have ideas and actions far beyond what is normal or typical. But since they are extremist they should use violence to promote their agenda. Which they DO NOT.
This is a hate video. Now don't pretend it isn't.
bestseclubuser 1 year ago
This guy thinks he knows everything. What a dumb ass.
SoLo92ut 1 year ago
*facepalm*
You know what? Whatever. You are right: vegans are extremist people with lack of knowledge who are a danger to society. Okay??
I see no point why I should spend any more of my time with you.
Goodbye and enjoy spending more time making hate videos.
bestseclubuser 1 year ago
@bestseclubuser: "1+1=3" "No it's not because of [...]", "HATE VIDEOS!"
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
I don't agree with every vegan argument. And not every view of vegans is 'extremists'. You call me extremist for sharing *some* beliefs with vegans who are *not* as a group 'extremist'.
Stating my opinion that you don't agree with is 'not having anything to do with my life'. Sure. Whatever.
bestseclubuser 1 year ago
Veganism IS an extremist standpoint (moderate would be vegetarianism), and this very extremism lacks any rational background and can only be explained by matters of thoughtlessnes, lack of knowledge, or - and this very video points to this - pure madness.
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
Applying a vegan diet to the worlds population would result in greater equality and access to food and also in wealth and most probably equality in production. As a radical socialist equality in wealth, access to basic necessities & the right to localised production & ownership should be things you believe in. Yet your ideas seem to support the oppression of the poorest nations in order to satisfy the tastes of the few & the richest. I am not simply trying to attack you but this makes no sense
missmannerstoyou 1 year ago
'so what?'... You said 'from an extremis's point of view'. I told you that I'm not from those 'etremists'. DUH
bestseclubuser 1 year ago
@bestseclubuser: But you *take* the extremist's point of view. You totally get absorbed by talking the veggies' cause, so what? If you have nothing to do with your life, I suggest you don't do it here.
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
Like I said, I am not vegan, or an animal activist, so yeah keep talking bullshit :-)
bestseclubuser 1 year ago
@bestseclubuser So what? Einstein was not a vegetarian either, and still he spoke the word of vegetarianism. Or would you doubt you are clearly PRO veggies?
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
'Maybe'? Maybe you are a psycho who hates a group of people because he feels bad just by their presence and wouldn't mind spending hours and hours of his life making videos with his bullshit arguments just to feel a bit better for what he does.
Maybe you are a hunter who enjoys stabbing prey with a knife, or just enjoys torturing his pet dog. I don't know, 'maybe'.
bestseclubuser 1 year ago
Oh yeah, everybody whos says something against extremists neccessarily is evil - from the extremist's point of view. I really and definetely CAN live with that :-)
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
So you are saying that you agree that this guy makes troll videos because some weird people made him feel bad for what he does?
Quit stereotyping.
You can't judge a whole group of people by few individuals. You call that an excuse?
What is the purpose of this video? Revenge?? Because the arguments and calculations here are just silly, just being honest.
bestseclubuser 1 year ago
@bestseclubuser: Easy, the purpose of this video is to explain that the reason for all the bullshit in vegan argumentation or lifestyle maybe that they're just a bunch of psychos. Thank your for your attention.
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
If you dont want people to call you names then dont do it yourself and dont insult them. Seriously.
Im no vegan, but you really do sound offensive and sarcastic most of the time. You act like a troll.
bestseclubuser 1 year ago
@bestseclubuser: That is because he is talking about the vegans who say it's wrong to eat animals and that EVERYONE in the world should go vegan, or at least vegetarian, rather they like it or not and rather they can or not. These people are not the worse, I have personally been told that because I "murder" animals then the vegans, who are morally superior and take the cruelty free life style, are now able to "kill the fuck" out of me. I've seen them cheer a hunters death and want more. Moral?
BLHProductions 1 year ago
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Yes, there are certain areas of the world where you cannot grow plants or have foods shipped too and that is the ONLY situation in which I will admit it would not be possible to be Vegan. However this is not the majority of the world at all. I am infinitely sorry if you have been insulted or disrespected by a Vegan, we are not all judgemental a-holes.
TrevynPlantard 1 year ago
Yes, there are certain areas of the world where you cannot grow plants or have foods shipped too and that is the ONLY situation in which I will admit it would not be possible to be Vegan. However this is not the majority of the world at all. I am infinitely sorry if you have been insulted or disrespected by a Vegan, we are not all judgemental a-holes.
TrevynPlantard 1 year ago
It is not possible to be vegan if you do not have a chemical industry that could supply you with supplements, and in fact you can hunt almost everywhere (including the desert and the antarctic or Greenland), but you can grow crop only on special soils, you can't even grow crop in most mountainous regions - here in the Alps, you can grow crop only in the valleys.
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
You have also been blocking certain comments in order to make your propaganda look like the truth.
TrevynPlantard 1 year ago
Nope, the only reason why I block people - if ever - is if they are insulting. If you have an argument, how ridiculous it may ever be, feel free and welcome to post it. I do not suffer people who just don't like what they hear and call me names because they have no arguments.
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
Years of deception, is probably more like it.
TrevynPlantard 1 year ago
Being Vegan isn't really an alternative for the rest of the world. Some areas of Earth are so inhospitable that you can't grow anything there.
slicingwater 1 year ago
This video is propaganda!
TrevynPlantard 1 year ago
@TrevynPlantard: No, the result of years of experience.
ThatGuyFromAustria 1 year ago
first of all i am not vegan.
secondly. i agree with most of your philosophy, however when it comes to naming facts you didnt deliver in my opinion.
veganism isnt healthy, moreover the same goes for eating meat on a regular basis.
check the statistics for colon cancer. in my country it is the 2nd cancer on the morbidity list.
sure a lot of vegans have problem, but as you said in your video. there are a lot of vegans who are not food fascists.
peace
and
take care !
tinimpajko 1 year ago
as far as reason 3 goes, that is the way a lot of recruiters convince people to join the armies of the world, convincing them it will help them cure the ills of their lives, not that it doesn't do some people good.
brenleyman 1 year ago
PETA kills animals!!
and if you support PETA, then YOU kill animals!
learn the truth and free yourself from the LIES
xyberfunk 2 years ago
I grew up in a farming country! I have actually helped slaughter some of the meat I ate even at a very young age. I know how the meat industry works! I've been a meat eater and a vegan! I know both sides of it! I'm still a vegan though! You're extremely narrow minded generalisation of veggies is naive and judgmental. Instead of spending so much energy proving veggies wrong you should do something good with your life. Give some money to the poor or something.
HerbieStardust 2 years ago
Well, you may want to waste a thought on the various ideologies of that "animal rights thing", you may want to think about how veggies behave and what they do, there ARE NO rational reasons behind it, because if they were thinking rationally, they would not go vegan.
ThatGuyFromAustria 2 years ago
You're funny..... dim but funny! "Clutching at straws" comes to mind. Thanks for the laugh :-D
Michelle1kiwi 2 years ago
You like hearing yourself talk so much you forgot to include any support or evidence of your claims.
H3ntaig33K 2 years ago
That's irrelevant. You don't need a car or a bike or a computer to post hypocritical drivel on youtube to survive do you? And since owning all those things means you are responsible for destroying habitat by BEING a consumer, you are no better than anyone. And BTW, Humans are omnivores, and vegetarianism is not healthier. Wheat is murder!
SCROGY 2 years ago
TheSara2312 is a typical "animal lover" or "environmentalist". She thinks that going around decrying the meat industry absolves her from her own "crimes". She forgets that her modern lifestyle makes her a consumer, and as such she CONTRIBUTES to the destruction of the planet simply by consuming. But that won't stop her from blasting others with her own twisted dogma. When was the last time she went off and lived in a cave and ate berries and nuts and gave up her consumerism? Likely never.
SCROGY 2 years ago
Thanks but you are missing something here: Why should a meat eater have to kill an animal with a weapon that they have made? Do you communicate with your computer or phone or do you use something you made yourself? Do you drive or ride a bike or do you travel by a means that you made yourself? Do you sleep on a bed and matress made in a factory or on bedding you made yourself from cedar branches and leaves? See what I am getting at? I appreciate your point, but technology makes life easy.
SCROGY 2 years ago
wtf probably the most uneducated crap i've ever watched. animals are my friends. If it was life or death I would kill the wolf. but this does not justify me ending a life simply because I am hungry. probably should stop telling people to think and question too : / not thinking and questioning is pretty much what the meat industry is based on
Asparagooose 2 years ago
Is the wolf justified in ending a life because it is hungry? Don't like the meat industry? Kill your own. Problem solved.
SCROGY 2 years ago
@SCROGY because we don't need meat to survive. wolves have not developed their agricultural skills as we have. they need meat to survive, we don't
Asparagooose 2 years ago
That's stupid shit, this movie ..
Nederdien 2 years ago
,,Getroffene Hunde bellen.''