@PBGellie if its some sort of tangible evidence u want go to the clip on the videos to the right "stand up for jesus" by matt. there i wrote a synopsis of what i know based on the account of ancient history & how it relates to the bible. Keep in mind what i said about Gods natural state is light & what u will read there is pretty deep. most people freak out because the truth has been deliberately hidden from them. Either way it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks only what u think. good luck
@edewkateddatme look. im not doubting that jesus was a real person. there is evidence of that. but, there is no evidence that he is the son of god. God is all that matters here, jesus doesnt.
@PBGellie . God in his natural state manifests himself as the purest form of energy which is light. As for how man came to be well lets just say for the time being that is another story. An interesting one none the less. As there is an explanation The problem is mans interpretation. Be that as it may the prime creator of all (god) is everywhere as he is ubiquitously revered as king of the universe. His presence is in nature as well as it laws. In men u will find him through their good works
@edewkateddatme no. light is waves of energy that have a wavelength of a certain frequency that seperates it from other forms of wave like energy (x rays, radio waves, infared waves). I dont want him to subtly provide clues to me, i want him to show up in front of me and say "whats up."
@PBGellie Perhaps you're right in my coming off smug it wasn't my intention. At some point in a persons life all lose faith. It was foreseen by the prime creator . Even among his own disciples thomas had to see in order to believe. I do not judge. It doesnt matter if you dont believe in him. He still believes in you. your souls energy will transfer into another plain at the end of this experience. that is fact. energy cannot be destroyed. However the importance of the soul is what is at stake
@edewkateddatme I'm glad that he believes in me. But i like to think of it this way: if im a supposed lost soul, yet he still cares about me, why doesnt he show himself to me?
Atheists subscribe to the notion of evidence to substantiate the validity of God & Satan for that matter.What perplexes me is what would they do if they actually found it. They are too consumed with self importance to submit to anything as they feel they have total control over their smug lives.These three mortals are merely weak misguided souls & have no power. To demand proof from the omniscient supernatural is tantamount to a servant insisting the master prove himself. You are insignificant
@edewkateddatme honestly, as an athiest, is there was legitimate proof of god, i would believe in it. Just like i believe in other universes, and the contents of the sun, and photosythesis. I give these examples because they all fall under the category of unknown theories proven by scientific means. I dont think its a matter of being smug, its a matter of needing to have something concrete in order to believe. And just a side, calling people mortals and insignificant makes you sound smug...
@PBGellie honestly, as an athiest, is there was legitimate proof of god, i would believe in it. ...theories proven by scientific means...
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How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
@1tabligh well, in the same light, why do you consider something that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, with your total knowledge of the total scheme being is *close* to zero as fact? its goes both ways. You dont know if there is a god, you just believe is one. I believe there isnt, but if there was legitimate, indisputable proof, then i would have to accept it as fact. Thats the only way to get me to believe.
Your delusions that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
Your claim is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories.
@1tabligh your claim is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories too though, mine however, comes from multiple sources. My theory is testable. My theory has tangable evidence (fossil records, carbon dating etc). Yours comes from a single book that you dont even know for sure is truth. And the fact that god is "non-material" in your eyes means he doesnt exist. He isnt there. Im not the deluded one here. Im the one using logic.
@PBGellie Even if the followers of a religious school of thought had no proofs for their claim, to conclude firmly and forcibly that non- being reigns beyond the sensory realm would be a non-scientific choice, based on imagination and speculation.
Views such as these derive directly from a system of thought centered on materialism; within it, everything is defined and delimited with reference to materialism.
To interpret materialism in such a sense is in the final analysis strictly meaningless; it would be a superstitious notion involving the perversion of truth, and to regard it as scientific would, in fact, be *treason* to science.
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped and the brainwashed atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
I haven't watched the video yet, but judging by the name, I think I know what's going to happen.
Someone is going to try to explain that if you have evidence, you don't need faith anymore, and all the little Christians are going to scratch their heads and change the subject to something else and act as if it were relevant.
When did people think the world was flat? The Greeks knew it was round(ish) and I haven't found any historical evidence that people ever thought the world was flat.
It's kind of cruel to ask theists to go read and learn about a subject before arguing against it, because they're not known for reading and learning things for themselves. They sit in pews with their jaws agape, mindlessly absorbing whatever prattle their spiritual leader spews while filling the offering plate with their hard earned money.
Without doubt, one of the factors in the emergence of anti-religious ideas and a phalanx of deniers of God, has been the false teachings, the inadequacies and the intellectual perversions of the followers of some religions. The peculiarities and separate characteristics of each religion must, therefore, be individually examined when studying the reasons that have led men to adhere to that religion.
Use your God given intuition: who shows a higher consciousness level? who kills or who respects life?, who steal or who share? who enslave or who frees? who envy or who love? who is selfish or who is selfless? who is materialistic or who is spiritual?. We are due to move to the next consciousness level by rejecting all materialism and selfishness. Those were Jesus teachings, which atheism reject. God will act, and anyone that refuse to move may be expendable. Open your eyes before is too late.
i am an ateist and maby its because i dont need this so called "god" i can se there is no god those ppl who bealive in that well i wont stop ya ill just tell you the book that you follow is from befor we even knew our planet is round and not flat that is just one argument for there is no god and the bibel is written by some dude and if he could se our world now he would laugh cus .... its all made up i stand for we are nice to each other even tho i dont follow the bible sorry for my bad english!
I'm tried of atheists trying to muddle the water by getting technical. Apes monkeys you know what people are talking about quit being so smug. They couldn't even give a direct answer as to what evidence would be to them. How can these people be on TV acting like the ultimate authority on the matter.
To understand scientific theoretical models it is *required* that we get technical to some degree. Discussing such models requires that we use terms that have been given a very specific definition. If you're unsure about what something means you're always welcome to ask about it. Nobody will ridicule you for asking questions that are meant to learn. When you ask questions in a rhetorical manner, implying that you already know the answer, you will be ridiculed.
@XGralgrathor You need to get technical if you're writing in a scientific journal. If you are talking to a common man who doesn't have a degree in the subject and you know what he's getting at your just being an @ssh0le if you get technical just to be condescending.
« You need to get technical if you're writing in a scientific journal. »
Not just then. Certainly, when trying to explain something to the common man we can dispense with some of the jargon common in discussions in the scientific literature. *HOWEVER*, some complex notions can simply not be described in simple, black-and-white terms. The natural sciences per definition depend on statistics, since the phenomena they try and explain are stochastical.
These people totally avoided answering anything. They are cowards and avoid direct questions. And yes evolution does imply that we came from monkeys somewhere along the line of our evolution. These people are complete idiots whose act like they are smart by laughing and being dismissive. The theory of evolution implies that were ALL came from one living thing that came out of the water, Us and monkeys.
« The theory of evolution implies that were ALL came from one living thing that came out of the water »
Not entirely. For instance, chordata and arthropoda found their own way onto the land; they diverged long before either branch produced land-dwelling animals.
@XGralgrathor Still we didn't come from the phylum arthropoda. But that is neither here nor there. We are related to monkeys, case in point. Oh, and these guys are butt-heads who aren't as smart as they try to seem.
« Still we didn't come from the phylum arthropoda »
Of course not. The point was that it is evident that there is, in extant life, represented more than one evolutionary pathway out of the primordial waters. Plants, arthropods and lobe-finned fish all left the water on their own accord: not all land-based forms of life derive from one single land-based common ancestor.
@karlwalsh13 It's sad to see so many people who blindly accept religion out of fear, delusion, or as a result of brainwashing. We are all born atheists. Religion is as unnatural as it is controlling.
@smurfboywv Forgive them, but the hosts have to act a little pseudomaniacally so they can make a connection to the actual sky-fairy believing nutjobs.
@smurfboywv wait, you dont believe in fairies? You are mad!!! Your insane!!! You shall die in the name of fairies for your sin! Thats how christians sound to most people....
@smurfboywv Well then teach His word.. Don't just make threatening claims and complain about someone else trying to communicate their beliefs.. The reason these people do this show is to communicate that they don't believe you. They can't help it if they don't believe and demonizing them probably won't help..
@smurfboywv Because they believe religion is immoral and negative toward the wellbeing of living things. Which I could give you a good, easy list of reasons as to why most religions would be evil to preach as true if they aren't true in reality..
Also.. Many people vote and lobby their politics based off of their religious view. Those views are vacuous if the foundation they are based upon isn't true or real in any way.
@smurfboywv Did god ACTUALLY command you? Did he walk down a magical staircase, tap you on the shoulder, and say... "Smurfboywv....i command you to bitch and spread bullshit to the world" Stupid christian, there is no god.
@GaelicHighlander To add onto it, we know that life can come from non-life, as demonstrated in the Miller-Urey experiment. Even though the conditions in which the experiment was done in didn't match specifically to anything on Earth, the fact that life can in fact come from non-living material, that's sufficient enough to conclude that it is possible that abiogenesis is viable.
And to be clear, is SIMPLE life forms, starting from ONE cell, that come out of it, then it's evolution that explains how and why they become complex.
@BANGBANGBANGBBANG i have more then proof. iv seen my gods work.heal people, break addictions, bring family's back together. i pity you...looking around for any excuse not to believe in him. its sad. its not what feels right. it what is right. you believe in air yet you don't see it.. its just sad to me....god bless you
@roxyosox122 According to you god made air, so it's all relevant. There is no point in arguing with you people, as your thoughts are so convoluted with religious zealousness that you lack the ability to think for yourself. There are a growing number of exchristians, people who find the strength within themselves to sift through the bullshit and live life for THEMSELVES!
I do not believe in life after death. I believe in life before death.
Tell your miraculous stories of god's works to millions of people infected with HIV, to millions of people suffering from cancer, to millions of amputees, to millions of drug addicts and alcoholics, to millions of broken families and illegitimate children, and to millions of people who are dying out of hunger.
This is nonsense making arguments with you. I think you are already so deluded at the point of no return. I just hope I am wrong.
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@JezusSlave i seriously hope you are realy drunk or some thing cuz seriously its ppl like you that cant se that shit is made up that in some way makes the world better with your loving but you pass it on to your childrens and them to their childrens god dosent exist but mother earth does take a step back and take a look at what have become of the earth were is god he is no where ill personally burn up in hell if i would be wrong and im not affraid of saying such things cuz dude i dosent exist
@TheAtheistTube Were any of those millions of ppl worshiping god and did they actually have a relationship with him?Im not being morbid but everything in life happens for a reason by god to bring righteousness back into our lives until those who are blind come to him.Why is it when something bad happens to us,, we then call on God but never did before?Also take note of this about 80% of the world practices some form of witchcraft whether they know about it or not.God gives us chance after chance
@1NX9 Research into religions and you will find more believe in a God than those that don't.Buddist worship the god Buddah btw.Pagan = Witchcraft same thing,,I have yet to run into a Animist lol
Buddha is not God. Any Buddhist will tell you that. He is consider someone who has reach enlightenment and freed himself from the cycle of birth & rebirth. Please actually do some research.
Pagan does not = witchcraft. People can still be pagan and not practice witchcraft.
There are a minority of Wiccans for example who dont practice witchcraft. They only celebrate the various Wiccan seasonal events.
I research into religion. I have less reason to believe in a single "God"
@1NX9 Then if he is the only one who has reached full enlightenment and freed himself from the so called cycle of birth & rebirth then he is nothing more or less but a God ,, What else could he be if noone else has reached that limit?Lets get realistic lol .Pagan is witchcraft lol and the minorities in that sect that don't participate in their events still are believing and have to be practicing witchcraft no matter what you cannot tell another persons life unless you live with and follow them
I guess that would many Taoists also Gods then. As many believe they can transform into spiritual immortals. Then I guess the Nats of the old Burmese are also Gods since it is said they have escape the cycle of birth & rebirth.
Please use a dictionary (define "witchraft") Making assertions & making your own definitions doesnt make it true. Paganism is not witchcraft. Pagans can certainly practice witchcraft.
Although many pagans can certainly practice withcraft.
Yes Jesus is God. God bless you all. Curse me they will turn to blessings. Anyway. Ever heard God is a Mathematical Formula? Hope so, cause I can't talk about it.
@1980theone ah yes, the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree
Jesus is god. i know people are going to pm me cursing me . every curse u guys write god will change them to change them to blessings. god bless u all.
@Rhiavax every curse will turn into a blessing? why... because you really really want to believe it? HAHAHAHAHA. I am glad that you brought up the fact that you believe that jesus is god, because now you cannot backpedal out of the atrocities in the old testament such as fetal murder, child murder rape of young virgins, slavery, human sacrifice, and the list goes on and on. What say you?
@Rhiavax do u have any proof of that? of course you dont. there is however overwhelming evidence for evolution by natural selection which im pretty sure contradicts whatever is written in whatever "holy" book youre reading.
People who don't believe we evolved, how do you explain the fact that human DNA is 98% identical to monkey DNA? if we did evolve from monkeys, we didnt evvolve very much at all.
@TwitchyJuggalotus They will probably say God created us from similar parts to monkey parts or other crap like that. No proof whatsoever, but they will say that.
@TwitchyJuggalotus "how do you explain the fact that human DNA is 98% identical to monkey DNA?"
The evolution-denier response to that usually goes along the lines of "same designer, similar design". They are wrong, but that tend to be the response.
@mortensjoegren Most Christians dont realize how easy it is to shoot this down, if they go by the "same designer, similar design" logic, then they wouldnt be able to explain birds, reptiles, insects, etc. as they all look completely different.
I feel though that there is more to our existence than this physical world we live in. I mean why was I put on earth? Why not some planet far far away that humans have been unable to discover. I mean why do I look like the way I am.
My response to an earlier comment is not posting here, though maybe the three different versions I've tried to post will eventually, but I'm going to post it to my channel comments for now.
"We can accept the "materialist paradigm". In fact, we have to accept the materialist paradigm because we haven't found ANYTHING ELSE outside of the material world." Would you like there to be a space between "Vesus" and "Sheist" on the name plate inscription?
Does that Linked Comment thing occur automatically? Is someone trying to make some sort of point as to the idea of acquisition of "new" genetic material?
Really , people!? Stop arguing! We don't have proof that God does exist nor that he does NOT exist! Who gives a shit? Mind your business and keep you religion to yourself!
And therefore I think even if there is a god, it will most likely never show itself to us, because it knows this would be a bad idea. I am 50% sure there is no god, I believe dead means dead in the universe. But if there is a god, I don't think we will ever see it, or know it exists, not until after dead anyway.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS I'm an atheist, but let's for a minute assume that there is a god. Now what would happen if 'it' did show 'itself' to humans? And would that be good for humanity? Because there is a high probability that once it would show itself to us, very few people would feel there's still a need to live a life on earth, if there is a heaven where everything is perfect. We could see mass suicide then. Because if there is a god, I think it's very unlikely he would send people to hell for it.
@dutchbb1979 - I don't agree, why would people commit suicide, they believe in all sorts of gods now. The only ones that committ suicide are extremists that the world doens't need anyway, let them kill themselves, the Earth is a better place without them anyway. As for "god" showing himself, wasn't the Christian "Jesus" supposedly the Son of God? I don't see the Pope or his followers offing themselves, anything but...theya re afraid to die!
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS The people who believe in all sorts of gods would very probably start to believe in the god that showed itself to us. Or they would just say 'this is our god'. If that god shows himself, chances are it is the only god, so I think everyone would make it their god if you know what I mean. But just think about it: why stay on earth, where life is hard for the most of us, when there is heaven where everything is perfect. I could easily see many people killing themselves to get to hea
@dutchbb1979 - It's true, people will believe in the most ridiculous of ideas when god is in the equation...but wouldn't you think, they could simply ask their invisible man in the sky to whisk them away, rather than commit suicide. What is interesting to me is that, NO ONE has ever come back to confirm the afterlife they claim, NO ONE has any shred of evidence to support it, yet they believe this crap whole heartily...greatest bullshit story of all time!
Given that it is accepted that the particles and mini black holes of the "quantum foam" "borrow" energy in order to come about and maintain their existence in the universe, for an admittedly extremely brief amount of time, then why would you not entertain, if only for the sake of objectivity, the idea that a something from outside of the universe could do the same?
@Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 And what makes you so certain that that "something from outside the universe" is a god (more importantly YOUR god)?
And wouldn't that god have to be omnipotent meaning that it doesn't NEED to borrow energy?
Anyway, things are always created by something else. Nothing ever appears out of nowhere without an explanation, even when that explanation isn't exactly easy to figure out.
@Squiglypig "Anyway, things are always created by something else. Nothing ever appears out of nowhere without an explanation, even when that explanation isn't exactly easy to figure out." You are incorrect, sir, at least if you mean that tthe "something else is intra-universal.
@Squiglypig "things are always created by something else. Nothing ever appears out of nowhere without an explanation..." In case my original comment does not post, the quoted comment is absolutely untrue, with regard to everything having an intra-universal cause. Even the law of cause and effect is admitted not to have been cause by anything within the universe. The same goes for the aforementioned particles and mini-black holes, which can become permanent if proper conditions are present.
@Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 Well if mini-black holes can pop up for not reason what so ever (meaning NO reason what so ever!) then they would have changed the law of thermo-dynamics to reflect that.
There's a certain point in our universe' history to which we can only answer "We don't know".
What 1tabligh is saying is that the answer to "We don't know" is a god, to which there's no answer.
Even IF what you say is true it doesn't prove that it's a god that did it, or even if it was, that it's YOUR god.
@Squiglypig "Well if mini-black holes can pop up for not reason what so ever (meaning NO reason what so ever!) then they would have changed the law of thermo-dynamics to reflect that."
The uncertainty principle is based on how you can know one thing, but not the other AT THE SAME TIME about electrons. If there's NO reason as to why mini-black holes develop, then that's suddenly breaking the 2nd law of thermo-dynamics.
@Squiglypig. "If there's NO reason as to why mini-black holes develop, then that's suddenly breaking the 2nd law of thermo-dynamics." Look up quantum foam.
I do believe that the Yahwist source, which admittedly contains some ridiculous tales, and views, does preserve a core of what the Creator would wish conveyed with regard to certain things being frowned upon and/or forbidden. It would be difficult to deny that the prevalence of cities, for example, facilitates a great deal of corruption, violence, & elevation of community to a position of higher priority than family, etc., which would not come about if urban centers had not become the norm.
Found it. I reiterate that as a result of my own death experience, which I do not expect nor require that anyone believe to have been authentic, although there were aspects of the experience which, unlike those related by persons who claim to have had the kind of NDE which is obviously intended to echo a certain established religious viewpoint, lend to its authenticity, and the presence of love in the realm to which I ascended, I consider your comment complete nonsense.
on Saturday night i would see men lusting after halfnaked girls dancing at the carnival,and on Sunday morning when i was playing the organ for tent-show evangelists at the other end of the carnival lot,i would see these same men sitting in the pews with their wives and children,asking God to forgive them and purage them of carnal desires.And the next Saturday night they'd be back at the carnival or some other place indulgence.HaIL SATAN! :D
@PrettyMurky "If it doesn't make sense to you, & you don't present any reason why. I just have to assume it's that you don't understand it." If you are not able to respond with an explanation, but choose instead to apply the same sort of evasive condescendance as was used by the characters from the movie In__pt__n when challenged about the senselessness of the premise in a fairly recent S__th P__k episode, then it seems reasonable to hold that you don't have an answer.
@Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 Your only reply to my comment was "That is absolute nonsense". If you'd said what specifically you thought was nonsense, or why, then I would gladly have tried to explain my views further. However given the terseness of your dismissal, I had assume you don't like to think about things in much detail, so I didn't want to waste my time.
i like these guys! i can't believe so many people believe such stupid stories in the bible. this is demeaning to human beings :S what a waste of possible brilliant-thinking people. hopefully soon these creationists leave their pride and accept the truth!
@CliffStamp How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
@CliffStamp Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *** unknowing and unperceiving ***, is his creator and that of all beings?
@1tabligh Our current understanding of empirical observation as to the original of life is as noted the RNA world hypothesis, which is at a severe reduction, we (humanity) came from non-life (chemical aggregation). Again, the reason that this assertion is made is because the empirical evidence supports it. Are you asserting that empirical evidence should be rejected as a method of production of knowledge?
Some brainless atheists regard matter as independent and imagine that it has itself gained this freedom and elaborated the laws that rule over it.
But how can they believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@1tabligh Again, are you rejecting empiricism as a framework for generating knowledge? The RNA world hypothesis is not a "belief", it is an assertion which is made due to empirical support.
Materialism imagines that lowly objects are the source for the emergence of higher objects without troubling to ascertain whether the higher, in fact, exists at the level of the lower. If lowly matter is unable even at the highest stage of its development, namely thought and reflection— ....
@1tabligh Natural methodology does not imagine anything, it has foundational precepts and a framework to interpret information so gained to generate results. Which one (or both) of these do you reject? Or do you just reject the some of the conclusions because they contradict your beliefs? Surely you do not reject all of science, as obviously you are using a computer to produce those posts so you accept science can and does have utility so how do you decide what parts of it are correct?
either to create itself or to violate any of the laws that rule over it, it follows ineluctably that it is unable to create other beings and the laws regulating them. How, then, can it be believed that lowly matter should engage in the creation and origination of higher beings or have the power to bestow existence on lofty phenomena?
@1tabligh "How, then, can it be believed that lowly matter should engage in the creation and origination of higher beings or have the power to bestow existence on lofty phenomena?"
Again, it is asserted because it is measured, do you reject the measurements, or do you reject the entire framework of thought (natural methodology) which generates the conclusions from the measurements?
@1tabligh By the way, science asserts truths which are far stranger than the origin of life from non-life, quantum theory and relativity are both far more odd than evolution. If you struggle with accepting evolution then you really should look into issues like the equivalence of acceleration and non-inertial reference frames or the infinite history model of particle self-interference.
@CliffStamp Surely you do not reject all of science, as obviously you are using a computer ...
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The atheist Delusion!
Your delusions that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
Your claim is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories.
@CliffStamp If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
@1tabligh Most christians believe god is supernatural and not of our material world. Therefore evidence for god must also be supernatural and not material. In other words, you cannot use material evidence such as the bible or your faith to explain a supernatural being. It must come from a supernatural source. Good luck finding it.
Good Video.. Thanks for shared..
Spasatcom 1 month ago
4:28 - What's the saying? "Proof is for math and whiskey"?
IoEstasCedonta 1 month ago
Too stupid for science? Try religion.
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auroraman56 3 months ago
@PBGellie if its some sort of tangible evidence u want go to the clip on the videos to the right "stand up for jesus" by matt. there i wrote a synopsis of what i know based on the account of ancient history & how it relates to the bible. Keep in mind what i said about Gods natural state is light & what u will read there is pretty deep. most people freak out because the truth has been deliberately hidden from them. Either way it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks only what u think. good luck
edewkateddatme 3 months ago
@edewkateddatme look. im not doubting that jesus was a real person. there is evidence of that. but, there is no evidence that he is the son of god. God is all that matters here, jesus doesnt.
PBGellie 3 months ago
@PBGellie . God in his natural state manifests himself as the purest form of energy which is light. As for how man came to be well lets just say for the time being that is another story. An interesting one none the less. As there is an explanation The problem is mans interpretation. Be that as it may the prime creator of all (god) is everywhere as he is ubiquitously revered as king of the universe. His presence is in nature as well as it laws. In men u will find him through their good works
edewkateddatme 3 months ago
@edewkateddatme no. light is waves of energy that have a wavelength of a certain frequency that seperates it from other forms of wave like energy (x rays, radio waves, infared waves). I dont want him to subtly provide clues to me, i want him to show up in front of me and say "whats up."
PBGellie 3 months ago
@PBGellie Perhaps you're right in my coming off smug it wasn't my intention. At some point in a persons life all lose faith. It was foreseen by the prime creator . Even among his own disciples thomas had to see in order to believe. I do not judge. It doesnt matter if you dont believe in him. He still believes in you. your souls energy will transfer into another plain at the end of this experience. that is fact. energy cannot be destroyed. However the importance of the soul is what is at stake
edewkateddatme 3 months ago
@edewkateddatme I'm glad that he believes in me. But i like to think of it this way: if im a supposed lost soul, yet he still cares about me, why doesnt he show himself to me?
PBGellie 3 months ago
Atheists subscribe to the notion of evidence to substantiate the validity of God & Satan for that matter.What perplexes me is what would they do if they actually found it. They are too consumed with self importance to submit to anything as they feel they have total control over their smug lives.These three mortals are merely weak misguided souls & have no power. To demand proof from the omniscient supernatural is tantamount to a servant insisting the master prove himself. You are insignificant
edewkateddatme 3 months ago
@edewkateddatme honestly, as an athiest, is there was legitimate proof of god, i would believe in it. Just like i believe in other universes, and the contents of the sun, and photosythesis. I give these examples because they all fall under the category of unknown theories proven by scientific means. I dont think its a matter of being smug, its a matter of needing to have something concrete in order to believe. And just a side, calling people mortals and insignificant makes you sound smug...
PBGellie 3 months ago
@PBGellie honestly, as an athiest, is there was legitimate proof of god, i would believe in it. ...theories proven by scientific means...
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How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 3 months ago
@1tabligh well, in the same light, why do you consider something that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, with your total knowledge of the total scheme being is *close* to zero as fact? its goes both ways. You dont know if there is a god, you just believe is one. I believe there isnt, but if there was legitimate, indisputable proof, then i would have to accept it as fact. Thats the only way to get me to believe.
PBGellie 3 months ago
@PBGellie The atheist Delusion!
Your delusions that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
Your claim is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories.
1tabligh 3 months ago
@1tabligh your claim is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories too though, mine however, comes from multiple sources. My theory is testable. My theory has tangable evidence (fossil records, carbon dating etc). Yours comes from a single book that you dont even know for sure is truth. And the fact that god is "non-material" in your eyes means he doesnt exist. He isnt there. Im not the deluded one here. Im the one using logic.
PBGellie 3 months ago
@PBGellie Even if the followers of a religious school of thought had no proofs for their claim, to conclude firmly and forcibly that non- being reigns beyond the sensory realm would be a non-scientific choice, based on imagination and speculation.
1tabligh 3 months ago
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Views such as these derive directly from a system of thought centered on materialism; within it, everything is defined and delimited with reference to materialism.
To interpret materialism in such a sense is in the final analysis strictly meaningless; it would be a superstitious notion involving the perversion of truth, and to regard it as scientific would, in fact, be *treason* to science.
1tabligh 3 months ago
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped and the brainwashed atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 3 months ago
What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
1tabligh 3 months ago
I haven't watched the video yet, but judging by the name, I think I know what's going to happen.
Someone is going to try to explain that if you have evidence, you don't need faith anymore, and all the little Christians are going to scratch their heads and change the subject to something else and act as if it were relevant.
TheSmackerlacker 3 months ago
When did people think the world was flat? The Greeks knew it was round(ish) and I haven't found any historical evidence that people ever thought the world was flat.
jollyandwaylo 3 months ago
Thank god i'm jewish
master1941 4 months ago
It's kind of cruel to ask theists to go read and learn about a subject before arguing against it, because they're not known for reading and learning things for themselves. They sit in pews with their jaws agape, mindlessly absorbing whatever prattle their spiritual leader spews while filling the offering plate with their hard earned money.
ChipArgyle 4 months ago 10
@ChipArgyle Republicans do the same thing sadly.
kr4yzi32k 1 month ago
@kr4yzi32k They're pretty much one and the same group in the US.
ChipArgyle 1 month ago
Without doubt, one of the factors in the emergence of anti-religious ideas and a phalanx of deniers of God, has been the false teachings, the inadequacies and the intellectual perversions of the followers of some religions. The peculiarities and separate characteristics of each religion must, therefore, be individually examined when studying the reasons that have led men to adhere to that religion.
1tabligh 4 months ago
Just love Matt's explanation at the end.
HimmuraTube 4 months ago
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Use your God given intuition: who shows a higher consciousness level? who kills or who respects life?, who steal or who share? who enslave or who frees? who envy or who love? who is selfish or who is selfless? who is materialistic or who is spiritual?. We are due to move to the next consciousness level by rejecting all materialism and selfishness. Those were Jesus teachings, which atheism reject. God will act, and anyone that refuse to move may be expendable. Open your eyes before is too late.
dejesusluisx 5 months ago
i.e. Don't think for yourself, wait until you are told what to think.
pompousprick 6 months ago
i am an ateist and maby its because i dont need this so called "god" i can se there is no god those ppl who bealive in that well i wont stop ya ill just tell you the book that you follow is from befor we even knew our planet is round and not flat that is just one argument for there is no god and the bibel is written by some dude and if he could se our world now he would laugh cus .... its all made up i stand for we are nice to each other even tho i dont follow the bible sorry for my bad english!
TheMThomsen 6 months ago
2:24 how can something be a fact if it changes every time something is found.
DJWalton314 7 months ago
I'm tried of atheists trying to muddle the water by getting technical. Apes monkeys you know what people are talking about quit being so smug. They couldn't even give a direct answer as to what evidence would be to them. How can these people be on TV acting like the ultimate authority on the matter.
Ram2481 7 months ago
« getting technical »
To understand scientific theoretical models it is *required* that we get technical to some degree. Discussing such models requires that we use terms that have been given a very specific definition. If you're unsure about what something means you're always welcome to ask about it. Nobody will ridicule you for asking questions that are meant to learn. When you ask questions in a rhetorical manner, implying that you already know the answer, you will be ridiculed.
XGralgrathor 7 months ago
@XGralgrathor You need to get technical if you're writing in a scientific journal. If you are talking to a common man who doesn't have a degree in the subject and you know what he's getting at your just being an @ssh0le if you get technical just to be condescending.
Ram2481 7 months ago
« You need to get technical if you're writing in a scientific journal. »
Not just then. Certainly, when trying to explain something to the common man we can dispense with some of the jargon common in discussions in the scientific literature. *HOWEVER*, some complex notions can simply not be described in simple, black-and-white terms. The natural sciences per definition depend on statistics, since the phenomena they try and explain are stochastical.
XGralgrathor 7 months ago
Sorry for the spelling mistakes.
Ram2481 7 months ago
These people totally avoided answering anything. They are cowards and avoid direct questions. And yes evolution does imply that we came from monkeys somewhere along the line of our evolution. These people are complete idiots whose act like they are smart by laughing and being dismissive. The theory of evolution implies that were ALL came from one living thing that came out of the water, Us and monkeys.
Ram2481 7 months ago
« The theory of evolution implies that were ALL came from one living thing that came out of the water »
Not entirely. For instance, chordata and arthropoda found their own way onto the land; they diverged long before either branch produced land-dwelling animals.
XGralgrathor 7 months ago
@XGralgrathor Still we didn't come from the phylum arthropoda. But that is neither here nor there. We are related to monkeys, case in point. Oh, and these guys are butt-heads who aren't as smart as they try to seem.
Ram2481 7 months ago
« Still we didn't come from the phylum arthropoda »
Of course not. The point was that it is evident that there is, in extant life, represented more than one evolutionary pathway out of the primordial waters. Plants, arthropods and lobe-finned fish all left the water on their own accord: not all land-based forms of life derive from one single land-based common ancestor.
XGralgrathor 7 months ago
god bless you people :) its sad to see so many atheists !
karlwalsh13 8 months ago
@karlwalsh13 It's sad to see so many people who blindly accept religion out of fear, delusion, or as a result of brainwashing. We are all born atheists. Religion is as unnatural as it is controlling.
2b3the1 7 months ago
@2b3the1 well i only believe because of my own personal reason,,,i seen a ghost in my house ? how do u explain dat ?
karlwalsh13 7 months ago
@karlwalsh13 That you are stupid and/or insane. Also, ghosts are not real and aren't even really linked to religion.
2b3the1 7 months ago
@karlwalsh13 ghosts arnt linked with religion.......
sachxtrem 7 months ago
I swear I've heard that first caller numerous times on the show asking the same question over and over and completely ignoring their answers.
TheExiledWanderer 8 months ago
This is the most rediculous show, why can't these mental people find other ways to get attention.
smurfboywv 8 months ago
@smurfboywv Forgive them, but the hosts have to act a little pseudomaniacally so they can make a connection to the actual sky-fairy believing nutjobs.
ChowMeinChowdown 8 months ago
@ChowMeinChowdown No such thing as fairies lol.
smurfboywv 8 months ago
@smurfboywv wait, you dont believe in fairies? You are mad!!! Your insane!!! You shall die in the name of fairies for your sin! Thats how christians sound to most people....
sachxtrem 7 months ago
@sachxtrem Uugh trying to be cute doesn't work.
smurfboywv 7 months ago
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@smurfboywv yet you know im right
sachxtrem 7 months ago
@smurfboywv couldn't you find another way to get attention than to vacuously complain on youtube walls?
SHIBBYiPANDA 8 months ago
@SHIBBYiPANDA God commands us to teach his word, so thats what I do. if you don't accept Jesus as lord you go to hell.
smurfboywv 8 months ago
@smurfboywv Well then teach His word.. Don't just make threatening claims and complain about someone else trying to communicate their beliefs.. The reason these people do this show is to communicate that they don't believe you. They can't help it if they don't believe and demonizing them probably won't help..
SHIBBYiPANDA 8 months ago
@SHIBBYiPANDA So they don't believe in God, why do they need to be on tv to say it? It causes other people not to believe.
smurfboywv 8 months ago
@smurfboywv Because they believe religion is immoral and negative toward the wellbeing of living things. Which I could give you a good, easy list of reasons as to why most religions would be evil to preach as true if they aren't true in reality..
Also.. Many people vote and lobby their politics based off of their religious view. Those views are vacuous if the foundation they are based upon isn't true or real in any way.
SHIBBYiPANDA 8 months ago
@smurfboywv Did god ACTUALLY command you? Did he walk down a magical staircase, tap you on the shoulder, and say... "Smurfboywv....i command you to bitch and spread bullshit to the world" Stupid christian, there is no god.
sachxtrem 7 months ago
@GaelicHighlander To add onto it, we know that life can come from non-life, as demonstrated in the Miller-Urey experiment. Even though the conditions in which the experiment was done in didn't match specifically to anything on Earth, the fact that life can in fact come from non-living material, that's sufficient enough to conclude that it is possible that abiogenesis is viable.
PullyElbow27 8 months ago
For proof that there is a God look into the life of William Branham.
54jpark 9 months ago
For proof that there is a God look into the life of William Branham.
54jpark 9 months ago
This just shows me that Christians are foul people that tell people to get off the line because they arn't brilliant at explaining things
xClaraJaynex 9 months ago
The bald guy looks like the ghost hunters guy.
lordsalsi 9 months ago
can nature generate complex organisms in the sense of originating it? when previously there was none?
Rhiavax 10 months ago
@Rhiavax
"can nature generate complex organisms"
Yes, look it up, it's called Abiogenesis.
And to be clear, is SIMPLE life forms, starting from ONE cell, that come out of it, then it's evolution that explains how and why they become complex.
ChristianIce 10 months ago
@TheAtheistTube i have they understand and believe ..unlike you people trying to push stuff on people
Rhiavax 10 months ago
@BANGBANGBANGBBANG i have more then proof. iv seen my gods work.heal people, break addictions, bring family's back together. i pity you...looking around for any excuse not to believe in him. its sad. its not what feels right. it what is right. you believe in air yet you don't see it.. its just sad to me....god bless you
Rhiavax 10 months ago
@Rhiavax God plays no part in those. Air is something concrete, which is totally different from God.
roxyosox122 10 months ago
@roxyosox122 According to you god made air, so it's all relevant. There is no point in arguing with you people, as your thoughts are so convoluted with religious zealousness that you lack the ability to think for yourself. There are a growing number of exchristians, people who find the strength within themselves to sift through the bullshit and live life for THEMSELVES!
I do not believe in life after death. I believe in life before death.
2b3the1 10 months ago
@Rhiavax
God's work?
Tell your miraculous stories of god's works to millions of people infected with HIV, to millions of people suffering from cancer, to millions of amputees, to millions of drug addicts and alcoholics, to millions of broken families and illegitimate children, and to millions of people who are dying out of hunger.
This is nonsense making arguments with you. I think you are already so deluded at the point of no return. I just hope I am wrong.
TheAtheistTube 10 months ago 32
@TheAtheistTube
CHRISTIANITY AND THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE IS NOT GONE AND WILL NEVER BE AS THIS IS WORD OF GOD THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING AND NOBODY CREATED AS PERFECT BOOK AS THE BIBLE EVER A FACT THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH AND UNIVERSAL ANSWERS MAKES YOU MORE THAN ONLY SOME ANIMAL OR EFFECT OF COINCIDENT AND EVOLUTION. ONLY CHRISTIANITY PROTECT THE LIFE
GET READY FOR BIG EVENT-GREAT WARNING SOON
thewarningsecondcoming . com
ps. anyone force you to have unmarried sex, take drugs?
JezusSlave 7 months ago
@JezusSlave
I THINK MY IDIOTIC BELIEFS ARE MORE TRUE WHEN I YELL THEM AT PEOPLE!
lol, this guy is a perfect christian...
aegisgfx 7 months ago
"anyone force you to have unmarried sex, take drugs?"
Force? I have unmarried sex and take drugs because its fun, you fucking fucked up retard.
aegisgfx 7 months ago
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@aegisgfx
so do not blame God for consequences after !!!
JezusSlave 7 months ago
@JezusSlave i seriously hope you are realy drunk or some thing cuz seriously its ppl like you that cant se that shit is made up that in some way makes the world better with your loving but you pass it on to your childrens and them to their childrens god dosent exist but mother earth does take a step back and take a look at what have become of the earth were is god he is no where ill personally burn up in hell if i would be wrong and im not affraid of saying such things cuz dude i dosent exist
TheMThomsen 6 months ago
@JezusSlave You are going to hell for being so fucking stupid. Seriously. God hates you.
Pentagon1337 6 months ago
@JezusSlave troll harder
thegodlessatheist 6 months ago
@thegodlessatheist PRAY HARDER!
JezusSlave 6 months ago
@TheAtheistTube Were any of those millions of ppl worshiping god and did they actually have a relationship with him?Im not being morbid but everything in life happens for a reason by god to bring righteousness back into our lives until those who are blind come to him.Why is it when something bad happens to us,, we then call on God but never did before?Also take note of this about 80% of the world practices some form of witchcraft whether they know about it or not.God gives us chance after chance
jspartan79 5 months ago
@jspartan79
said "Why is it when something bad happens to us,, we then call on God but never did befor?..."
Thats a sweeping generalization. You do realize there are millions of people who have different beliefs and or religions than yours.
1NX9 5 months ago
@1NX9 Yes there is different beliefs but you know what is significant most of them believe in a God.
jspartan79 5 months ago
@jspartan79
Not necessarily. Buddhist dont; Taoist dont (infact both tend to be very atheistic esp. Buddhism).
Shintoist dont. Numerous pagan/animist religions dont.
1NX9 5 months ago
@1NX9 Research into religions and you will find more believe in a God than those that don't.Buddist worship the god Buddah btw.Pagan = Witchcraft same thing,,I have yet to run into a Animist lol
jspartan79 5 months ago
@jspartan79
Buddha is not God. Any Buddhist will tell you that. He is consider someone who has reach enlightenment and freed himself from the cycle of birth & rebirth. Please actually do some research.
Pagan does not = witchcraft. People can still be pagan and not practice witchcraft.
There are a minority of Wiccans for example who dont practice witchcraft. They only celebrate the various Wiccan seasonal events.
I research into religion. I have less reason to believe in a single "God"
1NX9 5 months ago
@1NX9 Then if he is the only one who has reached full enlightenment and freed himself from the so called cycle of birth & rebirth then he is nothing more or less but a God ,, What else could he be if noone else has reached that limit?Lets get realistic lol .Pagan is witchcraft lol and the minorities in that sect that don't participate in their events still are believing and have to be practicing witchcraft no matter what you cannot tell another persons life unless you live with and follow them
jspartan79 5 months ago
@jspartan79
I guess that would many Taoists also Gods then. As many believe they can transform into spiritual immortals. Then I guess the Nats of the old Burmese are also Gods since it is said they have escape the cycle of birth & rebirth.
Please use a dictionary (define "witchraft") Making assertions & making your own definitions doesnt make it true. Paganism is not witchcraft. Pagans can certainly practice witchcraft.
Although many pagans can certainly practice withcraft.
1NX9 5 months ago
@jspartan79
I would add Buddha isnt the only who freed himself from the cycle of birth and rebirth.
Mahayana Buddhism for instance has many who has reach enligtenment and frred themselves from the cycle of birth and rebirth.
1NX9 5 months ago
@Rhiavax You,ve seen Zeus' work? Where? You are talking about Zeus aren't you?
alienlifeform11 10 months ago
7:43 What did you just say? lol
Deamonslayer3001 10 months ago
this was dead on a good rational explanation why you fools are wrong inevitably, one way or the other.....great video. all for truth you wienners
georgio210 10 months ago
I like Lance. He's cool.
TuahShinguru 10 months ago
★★★★★
Katalyzt 10 months ago
Can this Richard motherfucka speak up?
TearsOfWar1 11 months ago
Yes Jesus is God. God bless you all. Curse me they will turn to blessings. Anyway. Ever heard God is a Mathematical Formula? Hope so, cause I can't talk about it.
1980theone 11 months ago
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@1980theone ah yes, the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree
BANGBANGBANGBBANG 10 months ago
Jesus is god. i know people are going to pm me cursing me . every curse u guys write god will change them to change them to blessings. god bless u all.
Rhiavax 11 months ago
@Rhiavax every curse will turn into a blessing? why... because you really really want to believe it? HAHAHAHAHA. I am glad that you brought up the fact that you believe that jesus is god, because now you cannot backpedal out of the atrocities in the old testament such as fetal murder, child murder rape of young virgins, slavery, human sacrifice, and the list goes on and on. What say you?
M1NDC0N7R0L 11 months ago
@Rhiavax do u have any proof of that? of course you dont. there is however overwhelming evidence for evolution by natural selection which im pretty sure contradicts whatever is written in whatever "holy" book youre reading.
BANGBANGBANGBBANG 10 months ago
People who don't believe we evolved, how do you explain the fact that human DNA is 98% identical to monkey DNA? if we did evolve from monkeys, we didnt evvolve very much at all.
TwitchyJuggalotus 11 months ago
@TwitchyJuggalotus They will probably say God created us from similar parts to monkey parts or other crap like that. No proof whatsoever, but they will say that.
MunkyDrag0n 11 months ago
@TwitchyJuggalotus "how do you explain the fact that human DNA is 98% identical to monkey DNA?"
The evolution-denier response to that usually goes along the lines of "same designer, similar design". They are wrong, but that tend to be the response.
mortensjoegren 11 months ago
@mortensjoegren Most Christians dont realize how easy it is to shoot this down, if they go by the "same designer, similar design" logic, then they wouldnt be able to explain birds, reptiles, insects, etc. as they all look completely different.
TwitchyJuggalotus 11 months ago
I feel though that there is more to our existence than this physical world we live in. I mean why was I put on earth? Why not some planet far far away that humans have been unable to discover. I mean why do I look like the way I am.
irontail23 11 months ago
@irontail23 if u were on some other planet other than this... and if u were given some other pupose... u could still ask the same questions...
880330145789 11 months ago
My response to an earlier comment is not posting here, though maybe the three different versions I've tried to post will eventually, but I'm going to post it to my channel comments for now.
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 11 months ago
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"We can accept the "materialist paradigm". In fact, we have to accept the materialist paradigm because we haven't found ANYTHING ELSE outside of the material world." Would you like there to be a space between "Vesus" and "Sheist" on the name plate inscription?
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Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 11 months ago
Does that Linked Comment thing occur automatically? Is someone trying to make some sort of point as to the idea of acquisition of "new" genetic material?
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 11 months ago
Really , people!? Stop arguing! We don't have proof that God does exist nor that he does NOT exist! Who gives a shit? Mind your business and keep you religion to yourself!
SoarVX 11 months ago
That caller was great. I liked how he understood the answer and accepted it. He was polite, patient and didn't whine one bit.
The Atheist Experience needs more callers like him.
zenqimaster 11 months ago 41
@zenqimaster I know! I was shocked o.0
WirlWind494 10 months ago
@zenqimaster
yeah, its entertaining to see the arguements, but maybe only let one crazy one on per episode, the rest should be like this
Mikeybetts 9 months ago
@zenqimaster
Nah fuck that, I love listening to the batshit crazy christians...
aegisgfx 7 months ago
they are so stupid ...christan god ??? there is only one GOD not christan god or jewish GOD or muslim GOD ..he is the one and only one
mustafaking1234 11 months ago
@mustafaking1234 Yea, exactly. Just like the 1960's TV Batman is the same Batman as The Dark Knight Batman because there's only one Batman.
Zendrig2 11 months ago
And therefore I think even if there is a god, it will most likely never show itself to us, because it knows this would be a bad idea. I am 50% sure there is no god, I believe dead means dead in the universe. But if there is a god, I don't think we will ever see it, or know it exists, not until after dead anyway.
dutchbb1979 11 months ago
God can't appear and speak for him/her/itself? Why is it always some "man" talking for this pie in the sky creator?
If the Bible was written today, it would either gather dust on Barnes and Noble's shelves or be banned for it's vile content.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS I'm an atheist, but let's for a minute assume that there is a god. Now what would happen if 'it' did show 'itself' to humans? And would that be good for humanity? Because there is a high probability that once it would show itself to us, very few people would feel there's still a need to live a life on earth, if there is a heaven where everything is perfect. We could see mass suicide then. Because if there is a god, I think it's very unlikely he would send people to hell for it.
dutchbb1979 11 months ago
@dutchbb1979 - I don't agree, why would people commit suicide, they believe in all sorts of gods now. The only ones that committ suicide are extremists that the world doens't need anyway, let them kill themselves, the Earth is a better place without them anyway. As for "god" showing himself, wasn't the Christian "Jesus" supposedly the Son of God? I don't see the Pope or his followers offing themselves, anything but...theya re afraid to die!
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 11 months ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS The people who believe in all sorts of gods would very probably start to believe in the god that showed itself to us. Or they would just say 'this is our god'. If that god shows himself, chances are it is the only god, so I think everyone would make it their god if you know what I mean. But just think about it: why stay on earth, where life is hard for the most of us, when there is heaven where everything is perfect. I could easily see many people killing themselves to get to hea
dutchbb1979 11 months ago
@dutchbb1979 - It's true, people will believe in the most ridiculous of ideas when god is in the equation...but wouldn't you think, they could simply ask their invisible man in the sky to whisk them away, rather than commit suicide. What is interesting to me is that, NO ONE has ever come back to confirm the afterlife they claim, NO ONE has any shred of evidence to support it, yet they believe this crap whole heartily...greatest bullshit story of all time!
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 11 months ago
Before mobile phones, did athiests think that they were absolutely impossible? No evidence to say they could exist.
100 yrs before the internet was it absolutely impossible?
How can the unknown be impossible?
I can see how people have faith there is no god, but how can you be certain?
At the moment there is just our universe that we can observe - if soon we observe another universe.....
JaguarEarlobe 1 year ago
Nobody exists. For I only exist and the rest of you are figments of my imagination.
CALICOTV301 1 year ago
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@CALICOTV301 "For I only exist and the rest of you are figments of my imagination." Unfortunately, I've been there before.
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
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"not to have been cause"d
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
Given that it is accepted that the particles and mini black holes of the "quantum foam" "borrow" energy in order to come about and maintain their existence in the universe, for an admittedly extremely brief amount of time, then why would you not entertain, if only for the sake of objectivity, the idea that a something from outside of the universe could do the same?
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
@Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 And what makes you so certain that that "something from outside the universe" is a god (more importantly YOUR god)?
And wouldn't that god have to be omnipotent meaning that it doesn't NEED to borrow energy?
Anyway, things are always created by something else. Nothing ever appears out of nowhere without an explanation, even when that explanation isn't exactly easy to figure out.
Squiglypig 1 year ago
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@Squiglypig "Anyway, things are always created by something else. Nothing ever appears out of nowhere without an explanation, even when that explanation isn't exactly easy to figure out." You are incorrect, sir, at least if you mean that tthe "something else is intra-universal.
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
@Squiglypig "things are always created by something else. Nothing ever appears out of nowhere without an explanation..." In case my original comment does not post, the quoted comment is absolutely untrue, with regard to everything having an intra-universal cause. Even the law of cause and effect is admitted not to have been cause by anything within the universe. The same goes for the aforementioned particles and mini-black holes, which can become permanent if proper conditions are present.
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
@Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 Well if mini-black holes can pop up for not reason what so ever (meaning NO reason what so ever!) then they would have changed the law of thermo-dynamics to reflect that.
There's a certain point in our universe' history to which we can only answer "We don't know".
What 1tabligh is saying is that the answer to "We don't know" is a god, to which there's no answer.
Even IF what you say is true it doesn't prove that it's a god that did it, or even if it was, that it's YOUR god.
Squiglypig 1 year ago
@Squiglypig "Well if mini-black holes can pop up for not reason what so ever (meaning NO reason what so ever!) then they would have changed the law of thermo-dynamics to reflect that."
It's called Uncertainty Principle.
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
@Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 No it's not.
The uncertainty principle is based on how you can know one thing, but not the other AT THE SAME TIME about electrons. If there's NO reason as to why mini-black holes develop, then that's suddenly breaking the 2nd law of thermo-dynamics.
Squiglypig 1 year ago
@Squiglypig. "If there's NO reason as to why mini-black holes develop, then that's suddenly breaking the 2nd law of thermo-dynamics." Look up quantum foam.
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
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"would not" have "come about"
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
I do believe that the Yahwist source, which admittedly contains some ridiculous tales, and views, does preserve a core of what the Creator would wish conveyed with regard to certain things being frowned upon and/or forbidden. It would be difficult to deny that the prevalence of cities, for example, facilitates a great deal of corruption, violence, & elevation of community to a position of higher priority than family, etc., which would not come about if urban centers had not become the norm.
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
"No theist believes that Gid created Himself." This was my comment.
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
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Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
These retarded callers need to fucking speak up and speak clearly...
TearsOfWar1 1 year ago
yeah man, we are monkeys
horbergaren 1 year ago
Found it. I reiterate that as a result of my own death experience, which I do not expect nor require that anyone believe to have been authentic, although there were aspects of the experience which, unlike those related by persons who claim to have had the kind of NDE which is obviously intended to echo a certain established religious viewpoint, lend to its authenticity, and the presence of love in the realm to which I ascended, I consider your comment complete nonsense.
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
on Saturday night i would see men lusting after halfnaked girls dancing at the carnival,and on Sunday morning when i was playing the organ for tent-show evangelists at the other end of the carnival lot,i would see these same men sitting in the pews with their wives and children,asking God to forgive them and purage them of carnal desires.And the next Saturday night they'd be back at the carnival or some other place indulgence.HaIL SATAN! :D
TehraserAND1stPS1 1 year ago
@PrettyMurky "If it doesn't make sense to you, & you don't present any reason why. I just have to assume it's that you don't understand it." If you are not able to respond with an explanation, but choose instead to apply the same sort of evasive condescendance as was used by the characters from the movie In__pt__n when challenged about the senselessness of the premise in a fairly recent S__th P__k episode, then it seems reasonable to hold that you don't have an answer.
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
@Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 Your only reply to my comment was "That is absolute nonsense". If you'd said what specifically you thought was nonsense, or why, then I would gladly have tried to explain my views further. However given the terseness of your dismissal, I had assume you don't like to think about things in much detail, so I didn't want to waste my time.
PrettyMurky 1 year ago
@PrettyMurky Remind me what it was that you said that I responded to by stating it was absolute nonsense.
Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 1 year ago
I really like these guys! I subscribe to their podcasts and they have good, concise, and rational discussions and debates.
talover30 1 year ago
i like these guys! i can't believe so many people believe such stupid stories in the bible. this is demeaning to human beings :S what a waste of possible brilliant-thinking people. hopefully soon these creationists leave their pride and accept the truth!
fyre26 1 year ago
@CliffStamp How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh When do scientists make assertions that depend on absolute knowledge of the universe?
CliffStamp 1 year ago
@CliffStamp Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *** unknowing and unperceiving ***, is his creator and that of all beings?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Our current understanding of empirical observation as to the original of life is as noted the RNA world hypothesis, which is at a severe reduction, we (humanity) came from non-life (chemical aggregation). Again, the reason that this assertion is made is because the empirical evidence supports it. Are you asserting that empirical evidence should be rejected as a method of production of knowledge?
CliffStamp 1 year ago
God and Empirical Logic.
Matter or God?
Take your choice!
Some brainless atheists regard matter as independent and imagine that it has itself gained this freedom and elaborated the laws that rule over it.
But how can they believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery!
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Again, are you rejecting empiricism as a framework for generating knowledge? The RNA world hypothesis is not a "belief", it is an assertion which is made due to empirical support.
CliffStamp 1 year ago
@CliffStamp
God and Empirical Logic.
Materialism imagines that lowly objects are the source for the emergence of higher objects without troubling to ascertain whether the higher, in fact, exists at the level of the lower. If lowly matter is unable even at the highest stage of its development, namely thought and reflection— ....
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Natural methodology does not imagine anything, it has foundational precepts and a framework to interpret information so gained to generate results. Which one (or both) of these do you reject? Or do you just reject the some of the conclusions because they contradict your beliefs? Surely you do not reject all of science, as obviously you are using a computer to produce those posts so you accept science can and does have utility so how do you decide what parts of it are correct?
CliffStamp 1 year ago
either to create itself or to violate any of the laws that rule over it, it follows ineluctably that it is unable to create other beings and the laws regulating them. How, then, can it be believed that lowly matter should engage in the creation and origination of higher beings or have the power to bestow existence on lofty phenomena?
1tabligh 1 year ago
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@1tabligh "How, then, can it be believed that lowly matter should engage in the creation and origination of higher beings or have the power to bestow existence on lofty phenomena?"
Again, it is asserted because it is measured, do you reject the measurements, or do you reject the entire framework of thought (natural methodology) which generates the conclusions from the measurements?
CliffStamp 1 year ago
@1tabligh By the way, science asserts truths which are far stranger than the origin of life from non-life, quantum theory and relativity are both far more odd than evolution. If you struggle with accepting evolution then you really should look into issues like the equivalence of acceleration and non-inertial reference frames or the infinite history model of particle self-interference.
CliffStamp 1 year ago
@CliffStamp Surely you do not reject all of science, as obviously you are using a computer ...
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The atheist Delusion!
Your delusions that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
Your claim is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories.
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Again, so do you reject natural methodology as a valid framework for producing knowledge of the nature of the universe?
CliffStamp 1 year ago
@CliffStamp If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
1tabligh 1 year ago
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@1tabligh Again, so do you reject natural methodology as a valid framework for producing knowledge of the nature of the universe?
CliffStamp 1 year ago
@1tabligh Most christians believe god is supernatural and not of our material world. Therefore evidence for god must also be supernatural and not material. In other words, you cannot use material evidence such as the bible or your faith to explain a supernatural being. It must come from a supernatural source. Good luck finding it.
talover30 1 year ago