Hi to all ! can anyone suggest me the BEST SOUND producer ? I mean what devices should I buy to get full Studio like entertainment ? I have SONY 60" LED TV and SONY BluRay Player with me. But i like to choose the BEST SOUND enhancer. SO., can anyone help me what type of speakers should i use ? with full spec details please ! I have quite big-room though to enjoy music. Please suggest a method for me !
@IntermittentSprocket BUT PLEASE... BUY... by all means possible... BIG NAMED BRANDS... as "most" of your hard earned cash... will JUST be used to BUY the name badge - on the front of an otherwise ? additional one off (stand alone) piece of equipment - that YOU will never ever get "compatibilities between" any of your older operating sytems...? PLEASE - please throw your money away... after all - who am I to "tell you to BUY wisely.
@boxingfat Yes... in a way - so too is even OLDER 3-8th" magnetic analogue two ch stereo Tape-Masters
via bog.std left ch & right ch.
& then- U lose
As analogue is 100% content- sinosidual wave forms & the cleanest that ever "play" a pure elctromagnetic frequency spectrum NOTE
No digital (on-off) square wave switched mode injected BITRATE signal- of compression bit smpling, with a small percentage "portion" of an original tone frequency signal will EVER reproduce a sinosidual waveform
@Criollit0 Wahoo -i'm gkad... (& so will the digital people... as yet another suka loses his "money" for a (BRAND BEW SYSTEM - with all the fancy bells & whistles they'll never need) - yet with STILL only a digital "sampled" bit torrent fed signal - giving a tiny portion of the originalanalogue waveform - and thus "still losing a major component of your "spacial surrund sounds..
Amazingly... I don't actually CARE - what system people buy... so long as they do so - with full information
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
And for most of us with small rooms whats the point in jumping on this bluray bandwagon for the sakes of same extras and same film over affordable DVD so what if its slightly compressed I doubt most know what to really listen for on the mini small speakers over professional large cinema PA, thats where youll hear the difference in THX sound system cinema.
My interest is achieving maximum uniform surround with proper surround layout that consists of 10 surrounds JBL control 1 and five screen JBL control 5 with modifications along with discrete LFE.1 playing and none of this sandwiching the LCRS into the LFE.1 signal.
@IntermittentSprocket Why bother with such a LOW COUNT speaker system... as YOU are still creating "massive" empty DEAD sound holes in the "volumetric content - of the CUBIC air spaces - in your room.
Go for ALL 64 point 77 Million avalable channels - inherant within true sinosidual waveformed 3 phased surround sound in 5D Blow the space_junk crap ...
Right outa (planet) PLUTO...
Mind YOU - yu will only need about three chernble power plants (working ones of cousre) to power YOUR wee system
Most of my small dts laserdisc sound great but having a near to possible good stereo spread over the fronts along with centre channel in discrete form to deliver a huge difference over conventional (matrix encoding 4:2:4 and decoding) to full six track delivery is unparallel to matrix.
I find "most" clients, only ever want general room coverage, easily obtained from the REAR terminals of ANY stereo MAIN unit (with or without aux booster amp)
JUST a bare bones 9 ch system
6 individual general 1st tier mains
& 3 "composite" 2nd tier chs
obtained via mathematical "sum" values of all 3 "closest" GENERAL mains
Thus NINE completely separate "sound" channels (around the room)
cost?
Some extra speakers, wire, my labour & my wee magic box
You can't beat physics. Its imposible but you can bend them. Its imposible for our eyes to see something flat as 3d but we can by illusion. Its the differences of frequency where the acoustics make the changes. We dont want to play the sound 1 time on the speakers. We need the acoustics and alterizations and symetrical balancing. Travel arrangments travel together and self cancelate and fix the imaging. My system you could put something between you and the speaker and still hear it the same.
O its the next money making scheme. What really makes the true quality of sound ?. Ive heard 2 speaker systems that sound 100 times better than the current sound systems used in cinema's today. Plus you dont need all them speakers to create a full 3d image. We only have 2 ears and its only vibrations entering them and we can tell direction. Its all to do with the way frequencys are put together not the crap about the bitrate. Maybe it improve on the crap atm but its not the best for quality
I doubt you heard a stereo system that sounds 100 times better than any theater out there. Bitrate is how it's processed through your receiver and DVD/Blu Ray player. The higher the bitrate, the faster the signal is sent, and the more bandwidth it can carry at once. For example, DTS Master Audio is the EXACT duplicate that the original copy of the film's audio track has. You hear exactly what they wanted you to hear. NO compression. Don't talk shit you know nothing about.
You listen to the bullshit they tell you. I have witnessed a protatype system that was built on purpose to acheive proper 2 speaker stereo. Think back to when companies experimented to understand about sound. There was no names on the system as it was specially built with all the best parts and design in the world. "DTS MASTER" audio is only in the studio and not on the home system. You cant even hear the current detail included in the sound on current systems due to out of phase sound.
Also acoustics can be made to arrive in a perspective that is symetrical from any angle in perspective terms. The rest of the positioning can be fixed by corect positioning of tweeters and squakers in relation to each other. Refraction and all room problems become self calcelated. The system used 24 bit although 16 bit is only nessasary. Think about this. We hear a maxiumum of 20,000 hz max. Music dont go near or need to reach that high. The current sample rates are double our hearing levels.
The dispearsion of different levels can be made with crosstalk interference to either cancelate or use as part of the frequency. A few fence posts as you walk round then can look as one(cancelled) or look apart. As you move left or right they perspective from left/right fixes one another so your allways at the center of arrival times in the perspective. The downfall is twisting of the image which is biased slightly to the side plus depth. This is fixed with speaker dispearsion perspective.
Speaker dispersion is that the crosstalk and hrtf differences. ie the image twisting effect If left and right speakers both crosstalk and give different hrtf, the speakers actually fix the opposite arrival times on the biased image with crosstalk frequency. This effect is only achieved when all frequencys arive level and the next frequency is at the corect frequency in relation to the last but with distance difference(illusion)equal. Like 2 diferent sized building looking same height but r not.
Just to allow you to maybe understand what im talking about(soundstage positioning). Get some 3d red/cyan anaglyph glasses and view 3d images. Move left and right and see how the image follows you but will apear to twist. Our eyes dont work as good as our ears for location of sound and are much harder to create a 3d illusion. I have barely spoke about the true illusion of real stereo but believe me, ive heard a system that makes all the crap today sound shit. frequency arrival time/relation.
Wow, dude... Learn how to spell! How are we going to try to figure out what you're saying if you can't even spell? You're not a credible person if you can't spell or type either. If you're so against REAL surround sound, then STOP WATCHING THESE VIDEOS! No one cares what you have to say, mainly because it doesn't make sense. You're only making yourself look more like an ass. You can't have true surround from two speakers, they are only reflecting sound off of walls, period.
Its nothing to do with reflecting off walls and 8 speakers do more reflecting. If you cant understand its because its too hard to explain in words without demonstration. You could be talking to someone much more intelligent than yourself. My advice is dont believe anything your told and learn for yourself but never take anything for fact. I wont call you an idiot as it would lower myself to your level. I cant explain using words that is used already because none of them explain the set up.
Once you listened to virtual barber shop through 2 speakers. The difference between headphones and speakers is the way of playing back which i tryed to explain. Its only frequency/arrival times. Im sure you have had sound catch your ears and sound else where. The whole thing is an illusion from 2 speakers, this is why it sounds so good as it needs to be perfect to get the effect. Anyway thanks for the chat. ps we dont hear sound on its first arrival. we make sense from the distance pattern.
One last thing, the only people that make therselves look like an ass is the ones that go out and buy items that are a rip off. English and good spelling dont make inteligent people. Everyone has something they are no so good at. All i have to say if u can create the frequencys at the ear which are the same as the original and arive in the corect order and time, then your brain will believe its coming from the exact location as desired. Listen to virtual barber shop through headphones.2 speakers
You can't even hear the current 44khz sample rate as it is. 20khz you could hear if your lucky. Can you see microscoping bugs and stuff. No your eyes can't see it. Your ears can't hear no difference from the current sound source if the sound source is correct. Its imposible to hear how it really sounds as the crap they sell is out of phase and decoded wrongly not linearized. So many people are so dumb they are blind to see the truth. I wish you lived near and i had my old setup. Youd be shocked
You're an idiot. You honestly have NO clue what you're talking about, and it's sad. How would your old setup impress me? I have a full Definitive Technology setup, that rivals most $40,000 systems, and higher.
So, you're saying that Dolby Labs and DTS wrongly "decode" the audio? So, my $5,000 Marantz A/V receiver is "lying" to my ears? Are you saying it's not doing what it said it was going to do?
So, you're saying all the top home theater guys are wrong? You're an idiot!
Its nothing to do with money. I listened to a £20,000 system and it was pathetic quality. They only want your money. Home systems are not phased together properly. With all audiable frequencys on the same volume, it doesn't give our ears the correct perspective. You probably think im stupid but I can asure you I have listened to equipment way beyond anything in shops. To achieve proper sound you need to align the acoustics. Direction isn't volume. The way it apears to sound is the way it is.
We live in a 3d world and if you have 2 different volumes the arrival time will meet at some point but at what frequency. Stick some poles in the ground at a large gap then walk around. There is a point where they look like 1. what if i had 2 of relative proportions working as crosstalk correctors. crosstalk can be used dumbass. any angle you get the same acoustical relative perpective. The labs are fine its the home equipment that sucks. My system was designed to do the job not to make money :p
Does it say what its going to do. It says bit for bit like the studio but it don't mean they will make the frequencies and accoustics audiable. We have to identify sound from some direction and in that case we have to lose all other directions. I feel sorry for you for paying so much money. I wish I still had my system and could demonstrate it to you. Your first words would be WOW and you would be wanting to know how I acheived a perfect sound. Money don't buy you pefect sound knowledge does
No disrespect to you ok. Do you believe everything your told. If your happy with what you have then thats good. I'm not happy with anything on the market as I know some truths. I'm sick of designers ruining our music for the benefit of money. I'll give you a clue about sound. Have one sound wave and you can't identify the direction. The same loudness can be acheived with a louder speaker at a further distance. The arival of high hz dictates direction(small part of). Crosstalk can alter the hz.
Now stop replying to me, because you're only making yourself look like a complete ass, not me. I have been in this business for a LONG time, and I DO NOT think that money buys quality, I buy based on my own tests and measures.
So, what speakers do YOU suggest? I really wanna hear this, lol.
What A/V equipment to you suggest? What DVD player? What Blu Ray player? What turntable? I really want to hear your idiot responses.
You make yourself look like a ass to me as I know all sytems are lies. Your the ass mate. 2 tweeters, 2 squakers, 1 dome tweeter and a woofer. Thats to redirect the sound to the ears perfectly from any angle. Whatever i say you won't believe me. What would you say if i told you the best system i heard had components that go on space shuttles and wasn't built by idiots.
Let me just say design is better than having all the best components in the world.
I'm pretty sure they don't have a stereo or theater system on the Space Shuttle, lol. Listen, it's not that I don't "believe" you, it's that you're so stupid, you can't even come close to knowing how to explain yourself, none of it makes any sense.
Again, my speakers have won hundreds of awards for being technologically advanced, and a breakthrough in speakers, FACT, please look them up and read about them yourself.
Again, you did NOT answer my questions of the components YOU use, or prefer.
lol not on the space shuttle but components of that standard. I admit im not so good as explaining but its not simple to explain- Only to demonstrate. When you pick up any HIFI mag they are only for sales and awards don't mean a thing. Im not saying your speakers are that bad or anything. You can build something very techically advanced but it dont mean its achieving its designated job. Do you make special speakers yourself ?. Things are made to sound different and played again to correct it.
Again, either tell me what equipment you use, or shut the fuck up. Stop babbling, and just tell me. You're not answering because you're probably using a cheap RCA boombox your mommmy got you for Christmas 10 years ago. Dude, do yourself a favor, and just stop talking. Stop using plastic speakers, lol.
A BOOM! box is the worst piece of noisey shit ever invented. Thats not music at all. Secondly the system had no name on it. Specially built. Its not something that was built to be sold in the shops. It is possible to match together some of the shit sold in shops and re-balance the frequecys to accoustically linearise. I can't stand those dumb idiots with FART boxes, its cheaper to put a seat in the back of a car and boot the side of a car. Hey how many systems do you know of that is in harmony ?
"Custom Built" does NOT mean quality. I also doubt your amp and or preamp are "custom", so please tell me the name and model number of those. Since you can't, it's obvious you're making up ALL lies, and you look like a fool. My Definitive Technology speakers are in perfect "harmony", as you put it. How many front speakers do you know that can cover all the way down to 15 mHz, all the way up to 30kHz? Not many, and I know yours don't, not even close. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS IDIOT!
I never built it myself, it was done by proffesionals. Just cause your statistics say it responds like it does, doesnt make a good sound relation. Music don't use them frequencys or even need them. I haven't heard what yours is like but im guessing it sucks as does all the rest in todays markets(full of statistical figures for selling). Design means quality and custom built by people who care about everything and want to suceed in perfection is what makes good sound. Re-equaliation accoustics
Again, you DO NOT answer my questions. You cannot answer them, because you don't own anything. Please send me pictures of these "speakers" of yours, I need a good laugh. PLEASE look up the specs AND how they test ALL Definitive Technology speakers, you will be shocked. Most speakers companies in the world use computers to tune their enclosures... Definitive uses an Anechoic Chamber in Canada, and spend months designing each speaker. They test, test and re-test again, getting them PERFECT.
I would love to send pictures, but I haven't got them. I could however draw up a very simple diagram to show you how they looked. What you must remember is everything was desgined for everything else. Its like you design to a standard and use a chamber. These speakers work perfect indoors, outdoors, small rooms and big ones too. You spend too much time perfecting in the chamber when acoustics in the real world can arrive with direct/refracted not ruining the imageing. This is why i say design.
STOP RESPONDING! Your answers are retarded. Listen you stupid Brit fuck... How can you say something is perfect when you haven't even gotten them yet? ASSHOLE! It is IMPOSSIBLE for ANY SPEAKER in the WORLD to sound flawless in any given room, PERIOD! PLEASE DO FUCKING RESEARCH BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR NASTY BRIT MOUTH! Respond to me again and see what happens... I will spam the hell out of your inbox and ruin your life, I have that power. Do some research, then grow up!
This is what you people are like. You bite before you know whats in the sandwitch. Im not going to post to you anymore as I don't have my system no more. If i did I would have been happy to show you pictures in private mail and explain in detail how it works. This is my finale words. The same frequency travels with the same accoustics. Different has to become part of one and another. The playback is in multiples. Its too complex to try and explain in words. Hearing is believing.goodbye take care
Music doesn't use any of those frequencies? Hmmm, odd. Music uses more than you think. I have music that drops below 20 mHz. Classical/Jazz/Big Band/Swing music hits the whole range.
TELL ME WHAT AMPS YOU ARE USING!!! Music is ONLY as good as the amplifier, NOT the speaker. A good amp can make a $100 speaker sound amazing. Just shut the fuck up, stop lying and TELL ME! If you can't, then simply DO NOT RESPOND TO ME ANYMORE!
A good amp does not make a shit speaker work on it's own. A good speaker don't work to a crap amp properly. Everything must be designed to work together from start to finish and that is every component. I can't name something that was in a box without a name but ill tell you this. The db started high and got lower as you turned up the volume. The standards the speakers were measured to wasn't shop sold specs. The speakers work perfectly in any listening enviroment no matter what the accoustics.
Ok, don't reply anymore. When someone can't give an actual answer, they are lying. Also, NO speakers in the WORLD work "perfectly" in any listening environment, that is physically impossible, and that comment just told me you REALLY have NO clue what you're talking about.
The design with the amp, phase frequency relation was not of your conventional standards of frequency response. If you think of arrival times and how things sound from angles and you recreate a multiple acoustical perspective that cancelates and also linearises. You can be center of the image from anylistening angle and the design also allows you to hear it as if your the center, no matter where you are in relation to the speakers.thigns look different from angles but illusion makes it the same.
It also stays in a relative perspective. With just singleway speakers the imaging would appear to twist and go slightly biased to one side and also depth slightly. IT was the speaker design that make it possible to keep the perspective of arrivals the same. As you probably know, you can have a perfect speaker amp and you find the enviroment destroys the imaging. Let me just say that crosstalk and refraction is imposible to spoil the imaging with this design. The design is totally different idea
Also, it's not a "money making scheme"... It's included at no additional charge on most movies.
As far as not needing all those speakers, you're an idiot. Yes, the make "surround bars", but those are a joke, and for people that aren't audiophiles and want ease of setup. Again, you're an idiot. DTS Master Audio (which is different from DTS True HD) is the best sound quality you can get, period. So, learn how to spell, type and go do some research before opening your hole.
No its not virtual surrond either. The way our hearing works isnt how you think and your all mislead from the truth. I supose you understand what the haas effect is ? or do you know the full truth about arrival times. Volume isnt the reason why we hear direction. Its simple to hear and understand but hard to explain how it really works. You can have the best bitrate sample but you wont hear it(cause its still not in correct phase relationship and that is including acoustics).
About the amount of speakers. All sound direction is simply frequency, volume and arrival times. Volume alters frequency from hrtf arival times. Go listen to the virtual barber shop on headphones, that is crap illusion compaired to what i heard. The listening point isnot fixed in the middle. The left and right ears pick up from both speakers each. The actual frequency that arives is what dictates the direction. Simple setting up to allow arrival times to create the frequency(symetrical crostalk)
When i say symetrical, im talking about time arival and equalization of frequency between the left and right speakers arrival times. Ok how can something that is different apear symetrical. Its dispearson/arrival times, then played again but taking the crosstalk frequency as part of the frequency spectrum. Example is look at something from 2 different angles and see how it dont look the same. With sound interference creates a new frequency. With accoustics it works as multiples.
The systems are the money making things not the dvd's. If i could show you my old personal system and you was local and if i still had it, i would have been happy to demonstrate so you can understand what i say easier. You would probably die of shock as i did when i first heard real stereo as it is clearer than real life and about 10 times more exciting in emotional feelings from music. There's more to explain but ive heard it done and haven't yet heard anything on the market that comes close
...could you possibly tell me why my videos have a grain or fuzzy quality? They transfer a perfect audio/video signal everywhere else... Even the sound is very distorted.Can you help me???
Mortal Kombat the movie and Underworld and The Fourth Kind
zacbowma 1 year ago
Hi to all ! can anyone suggest me the BEST SOUND producer ? I mean what devices should I buy to get full Studio like entertainment ? I have SONY 60" LED TV and SONY BluRay Player with me. But i like to choose the BEST SOUND enhancer. SO., can anyone help me what type of speakers should i use ? with full spec details please ! I have quite big-room though to enjoy music. Please suggest a method for me !
theorare3 1 year ago
@IntermittentSprocket BUT PLEASE... BUY... by all means possible... BIG NAMED BRANDS... as "most" of your hard earned cash... will JUST be used to BUY the name badge - on the front of an otherwise ? additional one off (stand alone) piece of equipment - that YOU will never ever get "compatibilities between" any of your older operating sytems...? PLEASE - please throw your money away... after all - who am I to "tell you to BUY wisely.
QUIX4U 2 years ago
stupid bose is better
boxingfat 2 years ago
@boxingfat Yes... in a way - so too is even OLDER 3-8th" magnetic analogue two ch stereo Tape-Masters
via bog.std left ch & right ch.
& then- U lose
As analogue is 100% content- sinosidual wave forms & the cleanest that ever "play" a pure elctromagnetic frequency spectrum NOTE
No digital (on-off) square wave switched mode injected BITRATE signal- of compression bit smpling, with a small percentage "portion" of an original tone frequency signal will EVER reproduce a sinosidual waveform
QUIX4U 2 years ago
well...that's the home theater i'm looking for...
Criollit0 2 years ago
@Criollit0 Wahoo -i'm gkad... (& so will the digital people... as yet another suka loses his "money" for a (BRAND BEW SYSTEM - with all the fancy bells & whistles they'll never need) - yet with STILL only a digital "sampled" bit torrent fed signal - giving a tiny portion of the originalanalogue waveform - and thus "still losing a major component of your "spacial surrund sounds..
Amazingly... I don't actually CARE - what system people buy... so long as they do so - with full information
QUIX4U 2 years ago
Key words "it can be". It does'nt mean it will be. Its up to the studio producing the disc and how much they care about sound.
TSOfan 2 years ago
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And for most of us with small rooms whats the point in jumping on this bluray bandwagon for the sakes of same extras and same film over affordable DVD so what if its slightly compressed I doubt most know what to really listen for on the mini small speakers over professional large cinema PA, thats where youll hear the difference in THX sound system cinema.
IntermittentSprocket 3 years ago
@IntermittentSprocket
except for a small point you are "roughly" corrrect.
If using CHEAP mini 1W & 2W ipod extension speakers It doesn't matter, as their quality to "reproduce" anything under about 2khz is completely useless
BUT
MOST so called PA theatres systems ? ONLY use a basic 3 or 4 ch system
Period.
Sure- they have THEATRE style surround sound systems
But it's usually 3 MAIN chs
near the screen
AND- for ALL other speakers- ONE CH- played around "ALL" the 3 other walls.
QUIX4U 2 years ago
My interest is achieving maximum uniform surround with proper surround layout that consists of 10 surrounds JBL control 1 and five screen JBL control 5 with modifications along with discrete LFE.1 playing and none of this sandwiching the LCRS into the LFE.1 signal.
IntermittentSprocket 3 years ago
@IntermittentSprocket Why bother with such a LOW COUNT speaker system... as YOU are still creating "massive" empty DEAD sound holes in the "volumetric content - of the CUBIC air spaces - in your room.
Go for ALL 64 point 77 Million avalable channels - inherant within true sinosidual waveformed 3 phased surround sound in 5D Blow the space_junk crap ...
Right outa (planet) PLUTO...
Mind YOU - yu will only need about three chernble power plants (working ones of cousre) to power YOUR wee system
QUIX4U 2 years ago
Most of my small dts laserdisc sound great but having a near to possible good stereo spread over the fronts along with centre channel in discrete form to deliver a huge difference over conventional (matrix encoding 4:2:4 and decoding) to full six track delivery is unparallel to matrix.
IntermittentSprocket 3 years ago
@IntermittentSprocket Me...
I find "most" clients, only ever want general room coverage, easily obtained from the REAR terminals of ANY stereo MAIN unit (with or without aux booster amp)
JUST a bare bones 9 ch system
6 individual general 1st tier mains
& 3 "composite" 2nd tier chs
obtained via mathematical "sum" values of all 3 "closest" GENERAL mains
Thus NINE completely separate "sound" channels (around the room)
cost?
Some extra speakers, wire, my labour & my wee magic box
QUIX4U 2 years ago
You can't beat physics. Its imposible but you can bend them. Its imposible for our eyes to see something flat as 3d but we can by illusion. Its the differences of frequency where the acoustics make the changes. We dont want to play the sound 1 time on the speakers. We need the acoustics and alterizations and symetrical balancing. Travel arrangments travel together and self cancelate and fix the imaging. My system you could put something between you and the speaker and still hear it the same.
benjyboba 3 years ago
O its the next money making scheme. What really makes the true quality of sound ?. Ive heard 2 speaker systems that sound 100 times better than the current sound systems used in cinema's today. Plus you dont need all them speakers to create a full 3d image. We only have 2 ears and its only vibrations entering them and we can tell direction. Its all to do with the way frequencys are put together not the crap about the bitrate. Maybe it improve on the crap atm but its not the best for quality
benjyboba 3 years ago
I doubt you heard a stereo system that sounds 100 times better than any theater out there. Bitrate is how it's processed through your receiver and DVD/Blu Ray player. The higher the bitrate, the faster the signal is sent, and the more bandwidth it can carry at once. For example, DTS Master Audio is the EXACT duplicate that the original copy of the film's audio track has. You hear exactly what they wanted you to hear. NO compression. Don't talk shit you know nothing about.
Site4Animation 3 years ago
You listen to the bullshit they tell you. I have witnessed a protatype system that was built on purpose to acheive proper 2 speaker stereo. Think back to when companies experimented to understand about sound. There was no names on the system as it was specially built with all the best parts and design in the world. "DTS MASTER" audio is only in the studio and not on the home system. You cant even hear the current detail included in the sound on current systems due to out of phase sound.
benjyboba 3 years ago
Also acoustics can be made to arrive in a perspective that is symetrical from any angle in perspective terms. The rest of the positioning can be fixed by corect positioning of tweeters and squakers in relation to each other. Refraction and all room problems become self calcelated. The system used 24 bit although 16 bit is only nessasary. Think about this. We hear a maxiumum of 20,000 hz max. Music dont go near or need to reach that high. The current sample rates are double our hearing levels.
benjyboba 3 years ago
The dispearsion of different levels can be made with crosstalk interference to either cancelate or use as part of the frequency. A few fence posts as you walk round then can look as one(cancelled) or look apart. As you move left or right they perspective from left/right fixes one another so your allways at the center of arrival times in the perspective. The downfall is twisting of the image which is biased slightly to the side plus depth. This is fixed with speaker dispearsion perspective.
benjyboba 3 years ago
Speaker dispersion is that the crosstalk and hrtf differences. ie the image twisting effect If left and right speakers both crosstalk and give different hrtf, the speakers actually fix the opposite arrival times on the biased image with crosstalk frequency. This effect is only achieved when all frequencys arive level and the next frequency is at the corect frequency in relation to the last but with distance difference(illusion)equal. Like 2 diferent sized building looking same height but r not.
benjyboba 3 years ago
Just to allow you to maybe understand what im talking about(soundstage positioning). Get some 3d red/cyan anaglyph glasses and view 3d images. Move left and right and see how the image follows you but will apear to twist. Our eyes dont work as good as our ears for location of sound and are much harder to create a 3d illusion. I have barely spoke about the true illusion of real stereo but believe me, ive heard a system that makes all the crap today sound shit. frequency arrival time/relation.
benjyboba 3 years ago
Wow, dude... Learn how to spell! How are we going to try to figure out what you're saying if you can't even spell? You're not a credible person if you can't spell or type either. If you're so against REAL surround sound, then STOP WATCHING THESE VIDEOS! No one cares what you have to say, mainly because it doesn't make sense. You're only making yourself look more like an ass. You can't have true surround from two speakers, they are only reflecting sound off of walls, period.
Site4Animation 3 years ago
Its nothing to do with reflecting off walls and 8 speakers do more reflecting. If you cant understand its because its too hard to explain in words without demonstration. You could be talking to someone much more intelligent than yourself. My advice is dont believe anything your told and learn for yourself but never take anything for fact. I wont call you an idiot as it would lower myself to your level. I cant explain using words that is used already because none of them explain the set up.
benjyboba 3 years ago
Once you listened to virtual barber shop through 2 speakers. The difference between headphones and speakers is the way of playing back which i tryed to explain. Its only frequency/arrival times. Im sure you have had sound catch your ears and sound else where. The whole thing is an illusion from 2 speakers, this is why it sounds so good as it needs to be perfect to get the effect. Anyway thanks for the chat. ps we dont hear sound on its first arrival. we make sense from the distance pattern.
benjyboba 3 years ago
One last thing, the only people that make therselves look like an ass is the ones that go out and buy items that are a rip off. English and good spelling dont make inteligent people. Everyone has something they are no so good at. All i have to say if u can create the frequencys at the ear which are the same as the original and arive in the corect order and time, then your brain will believe its coming from the exact location as desired. Listen to virtual barber shop through headphones.2 speakers
benjyboba 3 years ago
You can't even hear the current 44khz sample rate as it is. 20khz you could hear if your lucky. Can you see microscoping bugs and stuff. No your eyes can't see it. Your ears can't hear no difference from the current sound source if the sound source is correct. Its imposible to hear how it really sounds as the crap they sell is out of phase and decoded wrongly not linearized. So many people are so dumb they are blind to see the truth. I wish you lived near and i had my old setup. Youd be shocked
benjyboba 3 years ago
You're an idiot. You honestly have NO clue what you're talking about, and it's sad. How would your old setup impress me? I have a full Definitive Technology setup, that rivals most $40,000 systems, and higher.
So, you're saying that Dolby Labs and DTS wrongly "decode" the audio? So, my $5,000 Marantz A/V receiver is "lying" to my ears? Are you saying it's not doing what it said it was going to do?
So, you're saying all the top home theater guys are wrong? You're an idiot!
Site4Animation 3 years ago
Its nothing to do with money. I listened to a £20,000 system and it was pathetic quality. They only want your money. Home systems are not phased together properly. With all audiable frequencys on the same volume, it doesn't give our ears the correct perspective. You probably think im stupid but I can asure you I have listened to equipment way beyond anything in shops. To achieve proper sound you need to align the acoustics. Direction isn't volume. The way it apears to sound is the way it is.
benjyboba 3 years ago
We live in a 3d world and if you have 2 different volumes the arrival time will meet at some point but at what frequency. Stick some poles in the ground at a large gap then walk around. There is a point where they look like 1. what if i had 2 of relative proportions working as crosstalk correctors. crosstalk can be used dumbass. any angle you get the same acoustical relative perpective. The labs are fine its the home equipment that sucks. My system was designed to do the job not to make money :p
benjyboba 3 years ago
Does it say what its going to do. It says bit for bit like the studio but it don't mean they will make the frequencies and accoustics audiable. We have to identify sound from some direction and in that case we have to lose all other directions. I feel sorry for you for paying so much money. I wish I still had my system and could demonstrate it to you. Your first words would be WOW and you would be wanting to know how I acheived a perfect sound. Money don't buy you pefect sound knowledge does
benjyboba 3 years ago
No disrespect to you ok. Do you believe everything your told. If your happy with what you have then thats good. I'm not happy with anything on the market as I know some truths. I'm sick of designers ruining our music for the benefit of money. I'll give you a clue about sound. Have one sound wave and you can't identify the direction. The same loudness can be acheived with a louder speaker at a further distance. The arival of high hz dictates direction(small part of). Crosstalk can alter the hz.
benjyboba 3 years ago
Now stop replying to me, because you're only making yourself look like a complete ass, not me. I have been in this business for a LONG time, and I DO NOT think that money buys quality, I buy based on my own tests and measures.
So, what speakers do YOU suggest? I really wanna hear this, lol.
What A/V equipment to you suggest? What DVD player? What Blu Ray player? What turntable? I really want to hear your idiot responses.
Site4Animation 3 years ago
You make yourself look like a ass to me as I know all sytems are lies. Your the ass mate. 2 tweeters, 2 squakers, 1 dome tweeter and a woofer. Thats to redirect the sound to the ears perfectly from any angle. Whatever i say you won't believe me. What would you say if i told you the best system i heard had components that go on space shuttles and wasn't built by idiots.
Let me just say design is better than having all the best components in the world.
Build your own system
benjyboba 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure they don't have a stereo or theater system on the Space Shuttle, lol. Listen, it's not that I don't "believe" you, it's that you're so stupid, you can't even come close to knowing how to explain yourself, none of it makes any sense.
Again, my speakers have won hundreds of awards for being technologically advanced, and a breakthrough in speakers, FACT, please look them up and read about them yourself.
Again, you did NOT answer my questions of the components YOU use, or prefer.
Site4Animation 3 years ago
lol not on the space shuttle but components of that standard. I admit im not so good as explaining but its not simple to explain- Only to demonstrate. When you pick up any HIFI mag they are only for sales and awards don't mean a thing. Im not saying your speakers are that bad or anything. You can build something very techically advanced but it dont mean its achieving its designated job. Do you make special speakers yourself ?. Things are made to sound different and played again to correct it.
benjyboba 3 years ago
Again, either tell me what equipment you use, or shut the fuck up. Stop babbling, and just tell me. You're not answering because you're probably using a cheap RCA boombox your mommmy got you for Christmas 10 years ago. Dude, do yourself a favor, and just stop talking. Stop using plastic speakers, lol.
Site4Animation 3 years ago
A BOOM! box is the worst piece of noisey shit ever invented. Thats not music at all. Secondly the system had no name on it. Specially built. Its not something that was built to be sold in the shops. It is possible to match together some of the shit sold in shops and re-balance the frequecys to accoustically linearise. I can't stand those dumb idiots with FART boxes, its cheaper to put a seat in the back of a car and boot the side of a car. Hey how many systems do you know of that is in harmony ?
benjyboba 3 years ago
"Custom Built" does NOT mean quality. I also doubt your amp and or preamp are "custom", so please tell me the name and model number of those. Since you can't, it's obvious you're making up ALL lies, and you look like a fool. My Definitive Technology speakers are in perfect "harmony", as you put it. How many front speakers do you know that can cover all the way down to 15 mHz, all the way up to 30kHz? Not many, and I know yours don't, not even close. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS IDIOT!
Site4Animation 3 years ago
I never built it myself, it was done by proffesionals. Just cause your statistics say it responds like it does, doesnt make a good sound relation. Music don't use them frequencys or even need them. I haven't heard what yours is like but im guessing it sucks as does all the rest in todays markets(full of statistical figures for selling). Design means quality and custom built by people who care about everything and want to suceed in perfection is what makes good sound. Re-equaliation accoustics
benjyboba 3 years ago
Again, you DO NOT answer my questions. You cannot answer them, because you don't own anything. Please send me pictures of these "speakers" of yours, I need a good laugh. PLEASE look up the specs AND how they test ALL Definitive Technology speakers, you will be shocked. Most speakers companies in the world use computers to tune their enclosures... Definitive uses an Anechoic Chamber in Canada, and spend months designing each speaker. They test, test and re-test again, getting them PERFECT.
Site4Animation 3 years ago
I would love to send pictures, but I haven't got them. I could however draw up a very simple diagram to show you how they looked. What you must remember is everything was desgined for everything else. Its like you design to a standard and use a chamber. These speakers work perfect indoors, outdoors, small rooms and big ones too. You spend too much time perfecting in the chamber when acoustics in the real world can arrive with direct/refracted not ruining the imageing. This is why i say design.
benjyboba 3 years ago
STOP RESPONDING! Your answers are retarded. Listen you stupid Brit fuck... How can you say something is perfect when you haven't even gotten them yet? ASSHOLE! It is IMPOSSIBLE for ANY SPEAKER in the WORLD to sound flawless in any given room, PERIOD! PLEASE DO FUCKING RESEARCH BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR NASTY BRIT MOUTH! Respond to me again and see what happens... I will spam the hell out of your inbox and ruin your life, I have that power. Do some research, then grow up!
Site4Animation 3 years ago
This is what you people are like. You bite before you know whats in the sandwitch. Im not going to post to you anymore as I don't have my system no more. If i did I would have been happy to show you pictures in private mail and explain in detail how it works. This is my finale words. The same frequency travels with the same accoustics. Different has to become part of one and another. The playback is in multiples. Its too complex to try and explain in words. Hearing is believing.goodbye take care
benjyboba 3 years ago
Music doesn't use any of those frequencies? Hmmm, odd. Music uses more than you think. I have music that drops below 20 mHz. Classical/Jazz/Big Band/Swing music hits the whole range.
TELL ME WHAT AMPS YOU ARE USING!!! Music is ONLY as good as the amplifier, NOT the speaker. A good amp can make a $100 speaker sound amazing. Just shut the fuck up, stop lying and TELL ME! If you can't, then simply DO NOT RESPOND TO ME ANYMORE!
Site4Animation 3 years ago
A good amp does not make a shit speaker work on it's own. A good speaker don't work to a crap amp properly. Everything must be designed to work together from start to finish and that is every component. I can't name something that was in a box without a name but ill tell you this. The db started high and got lower as you turned up the volume. The standards the speakers were measured to wasn't shop sold specs. The speakers work perfectly in any listening enviroment no matter what the accoustics.
benjyboba 3 years ago
Ok, don't reply anymore. When someone can't give an actual answer, they are lying. Also, NO speakers in the WORLD work "perfectly" in any listening environment, that is physically impossible, and that comment just told me you REALLY have NO clue what you're talking about.
Site4Animation 3 years ago
The design with the amp, phase frequency relation was not of your conventional standards of frequency response. If you think of arrival times and how things sound from angles and you recreate a multiple acoustical perspective that cancelates and also linearises. You can be center of the image from anylistening angle and the design also allows you to hear it as if your the center, no matter where you are in relation to the speakers.thigns look different from angles but illusion makes it the same.
benjyboba 3 years ago
It also stays in a relative perspective. With just singleway speakers the imaging would appear to twist and go slightly biased to one side and also depth slightly. IT was the speaker design that make it possible to keep the perspective of arrivals the same. As you probably know, you can have a perfect speaker amp and you find the enviroment destroys the imaging. Let me just say that crosstalk and refraction is imposible to spoil the imaging with this design. The design is totally different idea
benjyboba 3 years ago
Also, it's not a "money making scheme"... It's included at no additional charge on most movies.
As far as not needing all those speakers, you're an idiot. Yes, the make "surround bars", but those are a joke, and for people that aren't audiophiles and want ease of setup. Again, you're an idiot. DTS Master Audio (which is different from DTS True HD) is the best sound quality you can get, period. So, learn how to spell, type and go do some research before opening your hole.
Site4Animation 3 years ago
No its not virtual surrond either. The way our hearing works isnt how you think and your all mislead from the truth. I supose you understand what the haas effect is ? or do you know the full truth about arrival times. Volume isnt the reason why we hear direction. Its simple to hear and understand but hard to explain how it really works. You can have the best bitrate sample but you wont hear it(cause its still not in correct phase relationship and that is including acoustics).
benjyboba 3 years ago
About the amount of speakers. All sound direction is simply frequency, volume and arrival times. Volume alters frequency from hrtf arival times. Go listen to the virtual barber shop on headphones, that is crap illusion compaired to what i heard. The listening point isnot fixed in the middle. The left and right ears pick up from both speakers each. The actual frequency that arives is what dictates the direction. Simple setting up to allow arrival times to create the frequency(symetrical crostalk)
benjyboba 3 years ago
When i say symetrical, im talking about time arival and equalization of frequency between the left and right speakers arrival times. Ok how can something that is different apear symetrical. Its dispearson/arrival times, then played again but taking the crosstalk frequency as part of the frequency spectrum. Example is look at something from 2 different angles and see how it dont look the same. With sound interference creates a new frequency. With accoustics it works as multiples.
benjyboba 3 years ago
The systems are the money making things not the dvd's. If i could show you my old personal system and you was local and if i still had it, i would have been happy to demonstrate so you can understand what i say easier. You would probably die of shock as i did when i first heard real stereo as it is clearer than real life and about 10 times more exciting in emotional feelings from music. There's more to explain but ive heard it done and haven't yet heard anything on the market that comes close
benjyboba 3 years ago
...could you possibly tell me why my videos have a grain or fuzzy quality? They transfer a perfect audio/video signal everywhere else... Even the sound is very distorted.Can you help me???
vegastyphoon 4 years ago
Do you have this videos in *.vob or other format? I'm looking for this videos everywhere and I can't find them! Can you upload them? The DTS-HD ones?
HoldenWorther 4 years ago
thats tyte
putaqwe 4 years ago