A most excellent nugget. While the history of Aikido can be debated, the wisdom with which you distinguish different styles, and the ultimate uses of those styles, was well-done.
Now we know why Mr. Seagal did not get in The Octagon with Royce Gracie.
According to written history and my Japanese neighbor, Aikido was never around in the Samurai days. A form of Judo referred to as Jujutsu was used. Morihei Ueshiba in the late1920's, Incorporated Jujutsu and other styles created by him to what we now know as Aikido.
@TheDjiboud dude he's only teaching the self defense way of course in MMA it won't work, I studied his style and basically I only use it for self defense and not for extreme contact sport.
This stuff with Seagal is with compliant students ... to really test the theory you need 4 guys coming at him who are at the top of their game in other martial arts - without Seagal already knowing which way they are going to go etc ... it's laughable.
@Rikitocker Not at all. If you watched the video the guy explains that it isn't intended for that purpose. What people seem to fail to understand about martial arts is that none of them was designed to make a man able to defeat 4 other expertly-trained martial artists. They gave an advantage against people who don't share the fighter's expertise.
@WalterLiddy - I have trained in martial arts for many years - much of it with the internal arts, so you couldn't say I was being unfair to Aikido. The point can be made and should be made - showing what you can do is not a great example when it uses your own students I'm afraid. If we really want to see what he can do - he should do it in the ring or against a random attack ... not this.
Aikido students are taught how to "take a fall" which is why in demonstrations it appears they are "aiding" the sensei. All I know is that Steven Seagal helped train Anderson Silva. 'Nuf said.
thanks, look some video where he s coaching some mma player a simple hand wrist twist seems unbearable for them, some concept of aikido work maybe not all... lol, psst...i started ju jutsu and everything seems perfectly working for me, but it looks like cheating the kids with their candies...lol, can not have good feeling tho..lol
mma against a master a 7 don meaning 7th degree black belt i could see segal beating the hell out off john jones like the graces did before they got old lol
wtf dude this is training in a real fight they dont roll you they drop u on your head or break something right away the only reason it would not work in mma is it has rules in the street seagal would break up in mma in the world
MMA is sport....many MMA fighters would get shit on in a real street fight. Also, many traditionally rooted martial arts, including Aikido, teach and rely on ki (energy) for techniques. That's something MMA is lacking.
I hate to say it to everybody here but any hand-to-hand martial art is all but completely useless on the battlefield. almost all modern wars are fought with guns, artillery, ships, aircraft, tanks, many different kinds of explosives, drones, etc. You want to learn to fight on a battlefield or in a war speak with someone who's been there
@bizitch71717 Every military learns a form of martial arts for CQC stealth take downs. It's better to have knowledge of proper balance, battle stances & form than to have none at all. Obviously melee is not a high priority. You don't bring a knife into a gun fight. I don't understand what point you're trying to make coz it's all common sense. STFU and stop acting as if everyone is too dumb to understand that melee is useless against guns. Shit, guns are useless against nukes, lol!
@asull822 No the TruthSpeaks is correct. Aikijutsu wascreated to either subdue or kill your opponent. The Samurai's main strategy was simply to destabilize you to the ground (through aikijustu) and coup de grace you with a sword. I've seen some 1980's Japan SDF training vids on youtube where the soldiers still seem to be utilizing aikido as part of their bayonet training. It's still pretty damn useful in a real fight at least during the 80's. Not so much anymore with drones & what not.
@asull822 lol...Aikido comes from the Samuari's. It was used to take down your enemy fast as possible, with lethal force whilst taking no harm.
It it used too kill instantly and if not break several bones, the only reason they roll because if they don't they would be injured students with broken bones....look on the history of Aikido lol
@TheTruthSpeaksEnough finally someone who understands what they're saying, too many ignorant people talking bad about Aikido without actually knowing anything about it
@golzar12 Agreed! Too many keyboard warriors who analyse when they have no experience in, it's like telling someone how to swim when they don't even know how too swim! It's crazy lmao
@golzar12 I absolutely agree. I've been studying Aikido since the early 1970's and have found it to be extremely effective. Too many people know entirely too little about it.
@craigs1able I would see that as an advantage for you, the fact that too many people know too little about it, therefore they have no idea how you would go at them.. element of surprise..
@craigs1able actually sir they're ignorant to know about it and say it's not effective but in a way when i studied it, it was for pure self defense to disarm or dismantle your opponent
I personally think that with enough training in Aikido, and some cross training in striking arts like Karate and grappling arts like BJJ, an Aikidoka can do real well in the octagon. Only problem is that the person won't have access to many techniques and must rely on the principles alone, which can get tricky. Some of the higher level masters probably can fight like that, but they wouldn't want to, and the younger students hasn't gotten to that level where they can freely use aiki-waza yet...
@trombonemunroe it's Anderson Silva. You can see their training video, as well as the training video with Machida. He didn't really show them Aikido, strictly, but some just quick stuff and pointers, and that devastating mae-geri of his. I figure he quickly cobbled together a course for these guys that is custom talored to their fighting style and skills, and moves that they could learn quickly and use well. The rest is just working on their strategies with them.
Good video, nice one! I've been training for years and can see seagal obviously has martial arts knowledge. I suspect the majority of people that watch his videos and then slate him have probably never trained themselves.
@boxerfencer In terms of striking first, Aikido actually has that. It's called sen no sen, or "before the attack". We act in accordance to Aikido's pacifist ideology, but if all that fails and the attacker is committed, then it's time to strike. In that case, you sense if there is intention to attack, and right before the strike comes, you move in to seal the movement, and apply the technique. This removes all power from opponent, which actually prevents serious injury a la swift conclusion.
We do have some devastating front kicks in Aikido, but the breakfall is very dangerous, so it's rarely practiced. Check out some of Seagal's videos where he trains MMA fighters (Machida, Silva) where he shows the mechanics and tactics of Aikido kicks. Again, you'll see the emphasis on entering, speed, and reach. The problem with kicks is that it reduceds balance. This is one reason why you won't see Aikidoka's kick: we always assume there's more than one enemy, so we must have balance always.
@boxerfencer martial Savate is awesome in that it is one of the few kick oriented martial arts that actually use the reach to it's full potential. Many times in martial arts, the reach of the kick is never fully exploited, when in fact that is the primary reason why you would wish to kick. Aikido actually assumes you are carrying at least a Jo (short staff), if not fully armed. This meant that we don't really focus on kicks too much, since we already have the reach.
@boxerfencer But considering the way people in the streets fights, you just have to keep a good amount of awareness, and if you are careful enough and isn't overconfident, then theoretically any martial arts will do. My understanding is that because of the way Aikido is, it makes subduing folks a lot easier, whilst training you to keep yourself safe. We don't do any kind of conditioning against strikes, but rather focus on evasion. Hard skin ain't gonna block a sword, as sensei would say...
@boxerfencer I don't want to get into an argument about who can top who, as that's essentially gonna result in comparing historical heros at the end, and who knows what the result would've been? A lot about fighting is chance, and martial arts is about changing as much chance into skills as possible so that you are better prepared. Aikido's roots is in feudal battlefields, which prepares you for all likes of attacks, even against weapons. Boxing isn't going help you fight a staff or knife user.
@xiealic Agreed, boxing offers no orientation when it comes to defense from knives, etc. There is a special non-sport form of French boxing (Savate) that does teach self-defense, though. I've never seen it because there were hardly any clubs outside of France, 5 years ago. Apparently now, they're all over North America.
@boxerfencer I've already said I know boxing is fast. As far as punches goes it's pretty much the fastest. If you think about it, it makes sense: it's designed to do that, as it's essentially the study of punching. I've actually asked my sensei about this, and his comment was "one, don't fight a boxer, two, if you have to, use iriminage" Boxers don't really expect close range fighting, and the punches aren't designed for one-hit KO, so soaking up damage to move forward and throw will work.
I'd like to say that I have nothing but respect for this art. In fact, for years I've mulled over some principles of fighting to reduce violence, but not effectiveness. My Aikido friend told me that my own personal sensibilities are compatible with Aikido, but I prefer something immediately effective, at least by those with previous experience.
Something along the way of "self defense for dummies" maybe, but that may project more watered down expectations than one would want.
One of the main things that's superior about Aikido is how it prepares you for that one moment of impact. We aren't here for a long fight. Aikido would be extremely boring in MMA cagefights, as everything would end in one move, victory or defeat. We train essentially for the moment when contact is made, either tactile or distance-wise, and we act right away and exploit all possible weakpoints to take down the enemy, and quickly pin for a rapid victory, which is what you want on the streets
Just going to give a general statement regarding Aikido's place on the streets: By no means is it the be all and end all, as far as styles are concerned. If anything, as my sensei would tell me, the only problem of Aikido is really that we're trained assuming that we'll fight other martial artists, usually armed while we ourselves are not. This is not what you see on the streets, and indeed some attacks sensei experienced were just useless and pathetic.
@xiealic I know what you mean. Timing punches thrown by someone with bad technique ... well usually ends in you getting hit, unless they totally telegraph. In these cases, you're better off to be the first to the punch, which goes against pacific sensibilities. So this is one internal conflict I have.
@THELIONGUY1981 Perhaps we're splitting hairs. Of course it can be used, but then again anything can be used effectively. I've seen Taekwondo fighters destroy Muay Thai counterparts right here on youtube, if you can believe that!
The question should be, is Aikido apt for street fighting without having to modify it. And if so, do you have to gut it extensively. Having to throw away the techniques while solely keeping the concepts, as someone here suggests, doesn't ring like a resounding yea.
Aikido was a part of the samorai Jiu Jitsu. A PART i repeat, it wasn't as developed as it is now. Just as Karate and Judo were Part of Jiu Jitsu. It was developed by Morihei Ueshiba a long time ago, but it's a very new style of Martial art. And im telling u... it can work in real situation too, trust me. i've seen it my own eyes. It does work and it can be deadly too.
i practice aikido myself. 3:37 was actually bast on a judo throw the student was being thrown he didn't flip like you saw in other clips in the video so thats why it was slower
at last someone explaining without insults to any side, another reason why aikido wont work on MMA is because of the gloves (you cant performe any wrist locks when your oponent has gloves). another important point is that MMA doesnt present a solution to a weapon attack (lets not say a sword attack but a knife or a stick or a baseball bat attack?) and another important point is thar MMA has rules that doesnt allow fighters to hit the really dangerous points (eyes, througt, years,).
@renguitooo Yeah, MMA isn't street fighting either, despite that everyone thinks it is because it doesn't anticipate knives, guns, etc. I suspect that street fights are rarely one on one these days, too.
@boxerfencer I don't really want to get into anymore detail about this, cause you have a certain degree of closeminded-ness in terms of Aikido and how effective it is. From my own experiences, I can say that it is extremely powerful, and difficult to master. If you want to find out for yourself, go challenge a Yoshinkan instructor, especially one graduated from the specialists course. These guys would love to have the chance to try themselves against others, so as long as you aren't malicious.
@boxerfencer You really ought to check out some of the Kyokushin Karate's masters. Their punches are not slow at all. I'd avoid giving uniform descriptions to all martial artists of a particular style, especially when all you've been exposed to are the kyu and junior dan ranked students. In this case, I'll advocate for the karateka's instead, because my master is also one, and his punches are anything but slow. Boxing isn't weak or slow by any means, but that doesn't make it the fastest.
@xiealic Not to invalidate the speed of other arts, but have you heard of Ali's phantom punch? I've personally known boxers who were that fast. It's quite doable, if you know what you're doing (old timers "catch a fly" allusion). As for Karate punches, I took Korean Karate for ~6 years before boxing & I couldn't hit any boxer with that style of punches. At the boxing academy, we had to learn Muay Thai & White Crane Kung Fu too, believe it or not, so I'm not closed off, just been around & mulled.
Takeno-sensei does knock out his students from time to time, during his demonstrations, but that's a result of the vigorous demonstration, and that the students didn't apply ukemi properly. He never throws the students out of maliciousness, but if you look at the demos, you can clearly see what would happen if you weren't trained in breakfalling and were thrown onto concrete. Takeno is one of the strongest Aikidoka's in Japan, so I believe he is best for demonstrating Aikido's effectiveness.
@boxerfencer the martial art that they have going in is usually something besides Yoshinkan Aikido, and they are usually something like 2-4 degrees (dan). However, facing the Aikido masters, all they could do is scream while the being controlled effortlessly. And those masters could only scream while being controlled by Shioda Gozo-sensei (while he was still alive). I'm not saying that Aikido is the strongest martial arts of them all, but the other martial arts of Japan respects us for a reason.
@wrathVchild I can answer that! Quite simply, a true Aikidoka would indeed avoid the situation entirely, as that is basically why we are called pacifists. However, not everyone will allow you to simply leave, especially if they want to do something to you. Aikido is about working against someone who is totally committed. and if they aren't committed, then you shouldn't be fighting the guy. True Aikido is being able to get the other person to either befriend you, or admit defeat with one glance.
This is a cool story bro, a very well done video. However, I have to ask: Do you expect aikido to have practical value in the modern world? You gave one example of a mosher in a club. I feel like the application of a MA technique was unnecessary in that avoiding this mosher would be the more efficient choice. When is a person going to be involved in a "war like" scenario? One might argue that a mugging situation would be war like, but I would say it's more like a duel.
@boxerfencer Unfortunately, they don't make blackbelts like they use to, so you should make sure they are trained properly. The catching midair punches doesn't work if you don't have good reaction and speed, and you must mastered the centreline theory of attack. What a truly capable Aikidoka would do is: step off the line of attack and go forward while turning the body 90 degrees, then go not for the fist, but for the elbow or shoulder, then slide down to the fist, and apply the kotegaeshi throw
@xiealic I always assumed that they weren't able to catch my punches because the techniques weren't made for western boxing (ball and chain) punches. Rather, they were created for piston karate style punches of the area of origin, which are slower.
As to Aikido practitioners (& Segal by extension) being able to do what they claim. One thing they claim is being able to catch midair punches, & from there manipulate into wrist locks. I'd been boxing for -10yrs when in came a black & a brown belt. They were never even able to catch my punches. Nor did they ever bring me down. I'd have to fully commit to something & even then. Aikido works against traditional go in & kill/commit strategy BUT useless for the tag game of martial art turned sport.
@boxerfencer What happens is if you shift your centre of mass properly during the shift-turn-down, the other guy will follow your motion and go flying around and get slammed onto the ground. You can then grab the elbow of his grabbing arm, turn it like a steering wheel and flip him on his back, sit on his shoulder with one knee. and proceed to break his arm. :)
@boxerfencer If you are worried about bar fights, there's an easy fix for ya. Most folks tend to do this in a bar fight, due to how drunk they are: to stablize themselves and get proper distance, they'll grab you with one hand, and do a hookpunch that flows in from the outside. This is the same line of attack as yokomen uchi (sidestrike). Block with the arm on the same side of the attack, grab his grabbing hand with the other, cross-step back, and rotate your body and drop down on one knee.
Riot squad contains some of strongest policemens in all of Tokyo district, all of them have blackbelts in kendo, judo, or karate. Every year, only the top 10 are select to go. When they go to do the senshusei, if they are disrespectful in any way, they get the asses handed back to them by the sensei's there. The training is so severe you will puke and pass out on the tatami, bleed from your back and knees from the hundreds of breakfalls and suwari-waza (sitting techniques).
@boxerfencer Takeno Takefumi is an 8th dan shihan at Yoshinkan, and one of the main instructors for the senshusei course. He is notorious for being the most feared in all of Yoshinkan's history. He would repeated knock out his own students during demonstrations. The man is destruction incarnate, and gained the nickname "Yakuza Takeno" from his master, Shioda Gozo. If you do challenge, him, he'll think "sweet, fresh meat. I'll use him to teach my students. I don't have to worry about injury now!"
For all those who say Aikido is not effective and can't be used against MMA or other arts, I got an advice for you: head on over to the Yoshinkan Aikido dojo in Tokyo, ask to observe the senshusei course, and then get ready to be blown away. The "specialist" course is mandatory for the Tokyo Riot Police squad. If that isn't enough proof, I'm not sure what is... unless you're feeling brave/cocky, in which case, challenge a man named Takeno Takefumi. Just make sure to update your will beforehand
@xiealic If the art is so effective, why would one have to go all the way to Tokyo and challenge one person in particular? One would think that the art could stand by itself and not through the cult of personality.
@xiealic Riot is again similar to medieval warfare, but I'm not sure that any of those are similar to what happens in modern street/bar fights. Therefore, this art may not be applicable/useful at all in these situations.
@xiealic but did you also say "policemens in all of Tokyo district, all of them have blackbelts in kendo, judo, or karate". So these police officers aren't just depending on Aikido. By stating that officers use [1] Aikido, 1 out of 3 martial arts ([2] Kendo, [3] judo or [Karate]) isn't exactly selling it. It's even less appealing when you consider that the Aikido training is just a course (specialist, albeit), even if they puke because of the training.
it is a good explanation but honestly i saw no differences in any of the throws. it all looked as if the student was aiding the throw, just like in the movies. i find it hard to believe a 150 lb object can so easily be entirely spun around, unwillingly, using hardly any force. in war, human beings use weapons because to fight an incoming crowd using wrist grabs is nonsensical. aikido is self defense like judo but is not effective against skilled practitioners of other martial arts.
The man just explained that it was a system designed from war time techniques (jujitsu, aikijujutsu, etc), and designed specifically for/with weapons. Morihei Ueshiba didn't want to kill, but I bet he broke a lot of wrists, and gave a lot of concussions to those who thought otherwise. Jigoro Kano did the same but went the sport route rather than Ueshiba's passive self-defense.
Incorrect video. Aikido under no circumstances is designed "for war". The founder of Aikido in an attempt at removing the lethality and aggressiveness from earlier forms of jujutsu (read Daito Ryu Aikijutsu) developed Aikido as a means of balancing oneself and environment. It is pretty and essentially requires partner compliance. It has very little modern defensive applicability or ability against a committed attacker. THAT is why you don't see its methods used in MMA. Because it does not work.
@HYBRIDCOMBATIVES Aikido has a large emphasis on joint manipulation and throws, particularly of the wrist. This kind of joint manipulation would not not very useful in MMA because of the gloves the fighters wear, and i would expect the throws could cause an opponent to land on their head which would not be allowed. Saying a whole martial art does not work is also a stupid thing to say, it most certainly does but just not in your eyes.
@Vendetta404 in my opinion the way steven segal is teaching here is the best way to use aikido in ufc or mma.. he is teaching principals of aikido coupled with strikes and tactics... this is how buijinkan is as well...
you can not use traditional grips and techniques if you want to fitt into mma or ufc.. arts like bujinkan has already immplemented strikes and evades .. aikijujutsu and other forms of jujutsu already has strikes.. aikido usually does not..
aikido wont work in mma? are you fukkin shittin me? segal traind machida and anderson silva with aikio technique's, and both went on to great knockout kicks right after training with him.... so lmao ..... fail
@theDementedKnight bullshit don't act like aikido is those fighter's base style, aikido is an additive to stronger styles, not a base. Sure it has its uses but how many pure aikido fighters are in mma? Even a fighter with aikido/bjj base? None, these clowns start getting hit with vicious muay thai round kicks and everything changes.
Aikido is not fun to watch unless the person knows how to "Recieve"the technique...and it makes the non aikido person look silly and weak!!! MMA is about looks and money
Great video, very respectfull to both Aikido and MMA. But it is not true that Aikido responds only to full "war" attacks. In contrary to popular belief every aikido technique can be applied with aggressive movement to deal with cautious opponents. Also includes a variety of strikes. Yes, Aikido can be quite aggressive. For me the reason that Aikido and MMA do not fit together is that Aikido is not designed and doesn't want to be a sport. It is still a martial art.
Well said. I have been in AIkido for almost 7 years and we hear these arguements all the time that Aikido won't work because it is not used in MMA and I have tried to explain it with little success. You have done a brilliant job and I thank you.
@wcbombers21 Other than it is absolutely wrong. There was never a samurai that studied or employed "Aikido". Aikido was developed much later than the Meiji Restoration. After the samurai were gone. Aikido was developed from earlier jujutsu and aikijujutsu methods, and was specifically engineered to REMOVE the lethality. It is more of a moving meditation method than a defensive tactics system or a means of applicable combatives.
@HYBRIDCOMBATIVES you are right but people like steven segal effectviely putt the lethality in it again... so its no limitation ... i rather keep it non lethal for myself.. but steven segal is an excellent example of lethalizing aikido agian... also aikido is not much different then aikijujutsu it just has the basic curiculum .. its no much different.. just people use it different.
@TheRogueMonk It is very different. This whole "lethality" in aikido thing is nonsense, If you have ever seen the aftermath of someone beaten to death or near death you would certainly understand that no about of wrist locks and throws are effective in that regard. That is all hollywood bullshit. GO 12 rounds with a pro boxer and you are still alive most likely. There is no mystic death punch bullshit. Aikido is a dance.
@HYBRIDCOMBATIVES i agree.aikido is a dance.. an effective dance if you want to deffend yourself.. the founder did not make this in order t harm anyone. i do aikid for that dance . its a inner martial art .. it is effective but i wouldnt go as far as to say its the most letal and angerous and fighting martial art.... i think all arts can be peaceful and graceful dependso on the practitioner..
@HYBRIDCOMBATIVES steven segal did not choose that it seems so people like him and some people like him like i do but dont want his way of doing aikido...
i like steven segal as a human being.
but every practitioner has their own goals and standards for whtat they like...
honestly if i wanted to beat someone up i would take another martial art because there are others that focus on that much more frequently...
The problem with Aikido is if it's gonna work you have to be SUUUUPER-good and then it is unstoppable, but other styles are much easier to learn and effective enough
What few people understand is that the poeple he's doing these things to are trained to fall away the way they do. The falls are as important in the training as the moves he's doing.
@ullalat Brucee lee never meant by the statement, " I don't believe in styles. " that styles are not important he meant don't be limited to one style; but rather use styles to achieve mental or spiritual enlightenment. Bruce lee studied many styles and he and his friends such as Dan Inosanto studied many diverse styles. And borrowed from many styles. The mind has to learn the basic of fighting or styles but transcend the style to the formless art. Be shapeless formless like water.
I guess this is a good question lots of people in and out of martial arts ask. I'll add that often attackers in real life aren't very sophisticated and do come on with the Big Punch in mind. One Bujinkan instructor I know sometimes gets teasted by friends way larger than him and wants to know "if he can do stuff". As it turns out he's surprised them a couple of times by flooring the big guys in a brawl-for-fun... and they often don't know what hit them. Small story, but moral is it gives an edge
I have been arguing for both sides for a long time. I do MMA, and no one uses aikido. But i've tried to explain that aikido won't work on the outside either....and i've changed my mind by this SINGLE video. Thank you for your insight. You've helped me.
@zacktillery It's also important to note that many aikido techniques like wrist-manipulations are illegal in MMA. Like he said it's more of a dual/game than an actual fight.
@NRAdude They are illegal, but are still not plausible. In my MMA class, we learn street stuff, like pushing your thumb into the belly button when you have them in their guard, things like that. Wrist locks and stuff work SOMETIMES, we learned some, but this video made me realize it was used mainly for war. :)
@zacktillery What do you mean by plausible? Your day to day street scenario involves someone in close proximity (7 feet) who unexpectedly ambushes you right?
@NRAdude No, but we do knife training and eye gouges as a normal technique session after class. Unlike all other MMA drones, i know that things like that are neglected, and also underestimated. That's like telling lyoto machida that he's not a good fighter because he doesn't fight every day.
There are hard/soft/defensive/offensive aikido or mixed aikido styles. i.e. Yoseikan Aikijujutsu or Yoseikan Budo are very effective and are hard and effective styles (boxing & kicks etc) with many techniques which are forbidden in mainstream Aikido but also in MMA like neckthrows etc. Furthermore it is forbidden to be "to defensive to long" in an MMA battle. But If I choose to wait until someone attacks in a real situation it doesn't cost me points. He has to come and will be "proper handled".
My main problem with Aikido is that on the street, an attacker will not run up to me and grab my wrist. He'll just try to punch me. I've noticed that a lot of times, in Aikido videos, the attacker is just trying to grab your wrists, which is unrealistic. The only time someone might try to grab your wrists is maybe if you are a small child and a pedo grabs your wrists to drag you into his car or into the woods.
@hondaciviccoupe10 Its more of a mind/muscle memory practice bro. Its the same reason Karate and in my case, ITF TaeKwonDo has kata. Would I start doing forms during a street battle? Absolutely not, but the movement trains your mind and body to react, and form reflexes to certain movement. If that makes any sense?
im sorry i like segal but this stuff looks real fake... just saying everyone would be using this stuff in fight or in sport fights.. and ive not seen anyone doit
to claim aikido is staged after 2 years of practice would suggest to me your sensei wants to get money off ye rather than teach you,if your practicing aikido after 2 years an are still questioning it means your obviously not learning the proper stuff who ever is teaching you is a disgrace to martial arts...
Interesting. Having practiced aikido for 2 years, I must say I found a lot of it to be very "staged", as in attack me there, attack me like that, no with the other hand, etc. I'm pretty sure that, if instead of students you had 3 guys attacking Seagal the outcome would be very different. Great martial art though.
@melomaniakjm maybe you should request some freeform randori and see how you get on. When I used to do Aikido, we used to have occasional randori where the uke could basically throw pretty much whatever they wanted minus things like head butts, eye gouges and crotch shots, you sure found out where your skills were when you didn't know if they were gonna rush you, kick, punch or produce a weapon etc. . Some of the dan grades were pretty awesome.
I wouldn't knock anyone's art ... What is missing in all the postings is the fact that in order to submit an assailant or opponent you must break his will... No art teaches that....any idiot can claim his art is better but that is foolhardy ...
I dissagree that Aikido can't be used in MMA. Aikido has developed a lot since it's creation in the late 1920's. In fact it now has many styles and is used in police training as it can ward off any attack. Aikido is mainly used in close combat, like Krav Maga and Wing Chun, and like those two arts would be quite effective in any case and would be an asset in an arena such as Mixed Martial Arts - it's locks and restraining techniques can make any opponant tap-out in submission, for instance.
Steven is a 7th grade black belt, taught by a recognised master of Aikido. In fact, he became the first foreigner to operate a Dojo in Japan. All that don't happen because you were only acting lol
The basis of the throws in Aikido use the body mechanics and since it's often a choice of going with the throw or breaking a limb most opt for the going with it.
A most excellent nugget. While the history of Aikido can be debated, the wisdom with which you distinguish different styles, and the ultimate uses of those styles, was well-done.
Now we know why Mr. Seagal did not get in The Octagon with Royce Gracie.
Bullpeni 1 day ago 3
Wow. You're extremely intelligent... I've been bashing Aikido until now. Thanks!
AZNboi10921 1 day ago 2
According to written history and my Japanese neighbor, Aikido was never around in the Samurai days. A form of Judo referred to as Jujutsu was used. Morihei Ueshiba in the late1920's, Incorporated Jujutsu and other styles created by him to what we now know as Aikido.
iggy58 1 day ago
@iggy58 It was called Aiki-jitsu which became Aiki-do, Ju-jitsu became Ju-do
ebor8402 1 day ago
Well explained sir! top marks
b1azer01 1 day ago
HE IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD!!!
betlbetoa 2 days ago 2
I don't know if Steven Seagal is a real fighter. All I know is that he teaches to the bests.
There's this video on Youtube where he's teaching tricks to Anderson Silva, a famous MMA Fighter. And it looks like he's really good...
TheDjiboud 3 days ago
@TheDjiboud dude he's only teaching the self defense way of course in MMA it won't work, I studied his style and basically I only use it for self defense and not for extreme contact sport.
ericgene08 3 days ago
what a joke
iownyah 4 days ago
This stuff with Seagal is with compliant students ... to really test the theory you need 4 guys coming at him who are at the top of their game in other martial arts - without Seagal already knowing which way they are going to go etc ... it's laughable.
Rikitocker 6 days ago
@Rikitocker Not at all. If you watched the video the guy explains that it isn't intended for that purpose. What people seem to fail to understand about martial arts is that none of them was designed to make a man able to defeat 4 other expertly-trained martial artists. They gave an advantage against people who don't share the fighter's expertise.
WalterLiddy 4 days ago 2
@WalterLiddy - I have trained in martial arts for many years - much of it with the internal arts, so you couldn't say I was being unfair to Aikido. The point can be made and should be made - showing what you can do is not a great example when it uses your own students I'm afraid. If we really want to see what he can do - he should do it in the ring or against a random attack ... not this.
Rikitocker 4 days ago
"Can Steven Segal do what he says he does?" A vehement YES.
milpookxxx 6 days ago 2
Excellent video and well presented. one of the best explanations ever. Thanks for the video! Good comments by TruthSpeaksEnough too.
joekool5005 1 week ago
Fedor does a perfect heaven and earth throw!many times in mma!
debtbully3 1 week ago
Aoki vs weisneski That was in mma,didn't even finish the move!
debtbully3 1 week ago
Aikido students are taught how to "take a fall" which is why in demonstrations it appears they are "aiding" the sensei. All I know is that Steven Seagal helped train Anderson Silva. 'Nuf said.
devildog66621 1 week ago
thanks, look some video where he s coaching some mma player a simple hand wrist twist seems unbearable for them, some concept of aikido work maybe not all... lol, psst...i started ju jutsu and everything seems perfectly working for me, but it looks like cheating the kids with their candies...lol, can not have good feeling tho..lol
maheshwarananda 1 week ago
and if dude seagal couldnt do it why has he not called him out steve would break him so bad
1wordking 1 week ago
mma against a master a 7 don meaning 7th degree black belt i could see segal beating the hell out off john jones like the graces did before they got old lol
1wordking 1 week ago
There are people in MMA who do rush at their opponents, and an aikido throw still wouldn't work
i thinkt he best way to debunk Steven Segal was Gene Lebell's story
VaIkyereHowie 1 week ago
@VaIkyereHowie u sir probably never trained any ma.
GokiGandalf 1 week ago
@GokiGandalf You sire have no argument therefor validate my claim
VaIkyereHowie 6 days ago
wtf dude this is training in a real fight they dont roll you they drop u on your head or break something right away the only reason it would not work in mma is it has rules in the street seagal would break up in mma in the world
1wordking 1 week ago
@1wordking Not true, I'd like to see him throw an experienced Judoka like that. It wouldnt happen.
RJPBurtonBoards 1 week ago
MMA is sport....many MMA fighters would get shit on in a real street fight. Also, many traditionally rooted martial arts, including Aikido, teach and rely on ki (energy) for techniques. That's something MMA is lacking.
HGFWarrior 1 week ago
For more watch Samurai Spirit: Aikido (/watch?v=VyPf_hdrF2A) its a documentary on aikido.
lKnowBest 2 weeks ago
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Aikido the way of behaving like a stupid pet..
Attacking from a unrealistic Distance
Attacking like a total moron, attack and freeze, ore worse run into the opponent
Stick to the wrist and wait for the throw or even better behave like a rhino and just run towards the opponent and pass him whatever happens..
Never ever throw a second punch that would spoil the magic gay aikimoment..
Just do anything to behave like a total unrealistic fighter. Based on this behavior Aikido works just fine.
DanielBodnar 2 weeks ago
At last a relevant comparison of a martial art with mma.
TheCreepyChuwnLi 2 weeks ago 14
I hate to say it to everybody here but any hand-to-hand martial art is all but completely useless on the battlefield. almost all modern wars are fought with guns, artillery, ships, aircraft, tanks, many different kinds of explosives, drones, etc. You want to learn to fight on a battlefield or in a war speak with someone who's been there
bizitch71717 2 weeks ago
@bizitch71717 Every military learns a form of martial arts for CQC stealth take downs. It's better to have knowledge of proper balance, battle stances & form than to have none at all. Obviously melee is not a high priority. You don't bring a knife into a gun fight. I don't understand what point you're trying to make coz it's all common sense. STFU and stop acting as if everyone is too dumb to understand that melee is useless against guns. Shit, guns are useless against nukes, lol!
BoozeAholic 1 week ago
I think it would work in MMA but Aikido is designed to kill you or break several bones.
^ These are basic illegal rules in MMA.
No breaking bones and no going for the kill.
Therefore Aikido is banned due to the rules.
TheTruthSpeaksEnough 2 weeks ago
@TheTruthSpeaksEnough aikido is specifically designed to take down your opponent without causing any injuries..
asull822 1 week ago
@asull822 No the TruthSpeaks is correct. Aikijutsu wascreated to either subdue or kill your opponent. The Samurai's main strategy was simply to destabilize you to the ground (through aikijustu) and coup de grace you with a sword. I've seen some 1980's Japan SDF training vids on youtube where the soldiers still seem to be utilizing aikido as part of their bayonet training. It's still pretty damn useful in a real fight at least during the 80's. Not so much anymore with drones & what not.
BoozeAholic 1 week ago
@asull822 lol...Aikido comes from the Samuari's. It was used to take down your enemy fast as possible, with lethal force whilst taking no harm.
It it used too kill instantly and if not break several bones, the only reason they roll because if they don't they would be injured students with broken bones....look on the history of Aikido lol
TheTruthSpeaksEnough 1 week ago 5
@TheTruthSpeaksEnough finally someone who understands what they're saying, too many ignorant people talking bad about Aikido without actually knowing anything about it
golzar12 1 week ago
@golzar12 Agreed! Too many keyboard warriors who analyse when they have no experience in, it's like telling someone how to swim when they don't even know how too swim! It's crazy lmao
TheTruthSpeaksEnough 1 week ago
@golzar12 I absolutely agree. I've been studying Aikido since the early 1970's and have found it to be extremely effective. Too many people know entirely too little about it.
craigs1able 6 days ago
@craigs1able I would see that as an advantage for you, the fact that too many people know too little about it, therefore they have no idea how you would go at them.. element of surprise..
franmicgom 4 days ago
@craigs1able actually sir they're ignorant to know about it and say it's not effective but in a way when i studied it, it was for pure self defense to disarm or dismantle your opponent
ericgene08 3 days ago
I personally think that with enough training in Aikido, and some cross training in striking arts like Karate and grappling arts like BJJ, an Aikidoka can do real well in the octagon. Only problem is that the person won't have access to many techniques and must rely on the principles alone, which can get tricky. Some of the higher level masters probably can fight like that, but they wouldn't want to, and the younger students hasn't gotten to that level where they can freely use aiki-waza yet...
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@trombonemunroe it's Anderson Silva. You can see their training video, as well as the training video with Machida. He didn't really show them Aikido, strictly, but some just quick stuff and pointers, and that devastating mae-geri of his. I figure he quickly cobbled together a course for these guys that is custom talored to their fighting style and skills, and moves that they could learn quickly and use well. The rest is just working on their strategies with them.
xiealic 3 weeks ago
so the answer is no
puzzypirate 3 weeks ago
Good video, nice one! I've been training for years and can see seagal obviously has martial arts knowledge. I suspect the majority of people that watch his videos and then slate him have probably never trained themselves.
RDRalltheway 3 weeks ago
@boxerfencer In terms of striking first, Aikido actually has that. It's called sen no sen, or "before the attack". We act in accordance to Aikido's pacifist ideology, but if all that fails and the attacker is committed, then it's time to strike. In that case, you sense if there is intention to attack, and right before the strike comes, you move in to seal the movement, and apply the technique. This removes all power from opponent, which actually prevents serious injury a la swift conclusion.
xiealic 3 weeks ago
We do have some devastating front kicks in Aikido, but the breakfall is very dangerous, so it's rarely practiced. Check out some of Seagal's videos where he trains MMA fighters (Machida, Silva) where he shows the mechanics and tactics of Aikido kicks. Again, you'll see the emphasis on entering, speed, and reach. The problem with kicks is that it reduceds balance. This is one reason why you won't see Aikidoka's kick: we always assume there's more than one enemy, so we must have balance always.
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@xiealic Was it Anderson Silva or Thiago Silva, that Segal worked with?
trombonemunroe 3 weeks ago
@boxerfencer martial Savate is awesome in that it is one of the few kick oriented martial arts that actually use the reach to it's full potential. Many times in martial arts, the reach of the kick is never fully exploited, when in fact that is the primary reason why you would wish to kick. Aikido actually assumes you are carrying at least a Jo (short staff), if not fully armed. This meant that we don't really focus on kicks too much, since we already have the reach.
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@boxerfencer But considering the way people in the streets fights, you just have to keep a good amount of awareness, and if you are careful enough and isn't overconfident, then theoretically any martial arts will do. My understanding is that because of the way Aikido is, it makes subduing folks a lot easier, whilst training you to keep yourself safe. We don't do any kind of conditioning against strikes, but rather focus on evasion. Hard skin ain't gonna block a sword, as sensei would say...
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@boxerfencer I don't want to get into an argument about who can top who, as that's essentially gonna result in comparing historical heros at the end, and who knows what the result would've been? A lot about fighting is chance, and martial arts is about changing as much chance into skills as possible so that you are better prepared. Aikido's roots is in feudal battlefields, which prepares you for all likes of attacks, even against weapons. Boxing isn't going help you fight a staff or knife user.
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@xiealic Agreed, boxing offers no orientation when it comes to defense from knives, etc. There is a special non-sport form of French boxing (Savate) that does teach self-defense, though. I've never seen it because there were hardly any clubs outside of France, 5 years ago. Apparently now, they're all over North America.
boxerfencer 3 weeks ago
@boxerfencer I've already said I know boxing is fast. As far as punches goes it's pretty much the fastest. If you think about it, it makes sense: it's designed to do that, as it's essentially the study of punching. I've actually asked my sensei about this, and his comment was "one, don't fight a boxer, two, if you have to, use iriminage" Boxers don't really expect close range fighting, and the punches aren't designed for one-hit KO, so soaking up damage to move forward and throw will work.
xiealic 3 weeks ago
I'd like to say that I have nothing but respect for this art. In fact, for years I've mulled over some principles of fighting to reduce violence, but not effectiveness. My Aikido friend told me that my own personal sensibilities are compatible with Aikido, but I prefer something immediately effective, at least by those with previous experience.
Something along the way of "self defense for dummies" maybe, but that may project more watered down expectations than one would want.
boxerfencer 3 weeks ago
One of the main things that's superior about Aikido is how it prepares you for that one moment of impact. We aren't here for a long fight. Aikido would be extremely boring in MMA cagefights, as everything would end in one move, victory or defeat. We train essentially for the moment when contact is made, either tactile or distance-wise, and we act right away and exploit all possible weakpoints to take down the enemy, and quickly pin for a rapid victory, which is what you want on the streets
xiealic 3 weeks ago
Just going to give a general statement regarding Aikido's place on the streets: By no means is it the be all and end all, as far as styles are concerned. If anything, as my sensei would tell me, the only problem of Aikido is really that we're trained assuming that we'll fight other martial artists, usually armed while we ourselves are not. This is not what you see on the streets, and indeed some attacks sensei experienced were just useless and pathetic.
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@xiealic I know what you mean. Timing punches thrown by someone with bad technique ... well usually ends in you getting hit, unless they totally telegraph. In these cases, you're better off to be the first to the punch, which goes against pacific sensibilities. So this is one internal conflict I have.
boxerfencer 3 weeks ago
@THELIONGUY1981 Perhaps we're splitting hairs. Of course it can be used, but then again anything can be used effectively. I've seen Taekwondo fighters destroy Muay Thai counterparts right here on youtube, if you can believe that!
The question should be, is Aikido apt for street fighting without having to modify it. And if so, do you have to gut it extensively. Having to throw away the techniques while solely keeping the concepts, as someone here suggests, doesn't ring like a resounding yea.
boxerfencer 3 weeks ago
Aikido was a part of the samorai Jiu Jitsu. A PART i repeat, it wasn't as developed as it is now. Just as Karate and Judo were Part of Jiu Jitsu. It was developed by Morihei Ueshiba a long time ago, but it's a very new style of Martial art. And im telling u... it can work in real situation too, trust me. i've seen it my own eyes. It does work and it can be deadly too.
THELIONGUY1981 3 weeks ago
i practice aikido myself. 3:37 was actually bast on a judo throw the student was being thrown he didn't flip like you saw in other clips in the video so thats why it was slower
Aikiarts101 3 weeks ago
Great explaination about Aikido!!! Thank you!
danieligorquinones 3 weeks ago
at last someone explaining without insults to any side, another reason why aikido wont work on MMA is because of the gloves (you cant performe any wrist locks when your oponent has gloves). another important point is that MMA doesnt present a solution to a weapon attack (lets not say a sword attack but a knife or a stick or a baseball bat attack?) and another important point is thar MMA has rules that doesnt allow fighters to hit the really dangerous points (eyes, througt, years,).
renguitooo 3 weeks ago
@renguitooo Yeah, MMA isn't street fighting either, despite that everyone thinks it is because it doesn't anticipate knives, guns, etc. I suspect that street fights are rarely one on one these days, too.
boxerfencer 3 weeks ago
@renguitooo Good points.
boxerfencer 3 weeks ago
so it doesn't work, you might as well just step aside if some uncoordinated crazy guy is running at you with no idea what hes doing
warwize 3 weeks ago
@boxerfencer I don't really want to get into anymore detail about this, cause you have a certain degree of closeminded-ness in terms of Aikido and how effective it is. From my own experiences, I can say that it is extremely powerful, and difficult to master. If you want to find out for yourself, go challenge a Yoshinkan instructor, especially one graduated from the specialists course. These guys would love to have the chance to try themselves against others, so as long as you aren't malicious.
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@boxerfencer You really ought to check out some of the Kyokushin Karate's masters. Their punches are not slow at all. I'd avoid giving uniform descriptions to all martial artists of a particular style, especially when all you've been exposed to are the kyu and junior dan ranked students. In this case, I'll advocate for the karateka's instead, because my master is also one, and his punches are anything but slow. Boxing isn't weak or slow by any means, but that doesn't make it the fastest.
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@xiealic Not to invalidate the speed of other arts, but have you heard of Ali's phantom punch? I've personally known boxers who were that fast. It's quite doable, if you know what you're doing (old timers "catch a fly" allusion). As for Karate punches, I took Korean Karate for ~6 years before boxing & I couldn't hit any boxer with that style of punches. At the boxing academy, we had to learn Muay Thai & White Crane Kung Fu too, believe it or not, so I'm not closed off, just been around & mulled.
boxerfencer 3 weeks ago
Takeno-sensei does knock out his students from time to time, during his demonstrations, but that's a result of the vigorous demonstration, and that the students didn't apply ukemi properly. He never throws the students out of maliciousness, but if you look at the demos, you can clearly see what would happen if you weren't trained in breakfalling and were thrown onto concrete. Takeno is one of the strongest Aikidoka's in Japan, so I believe he is best for demonstrating Aikido's effectiveness.
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@boxerfencer the martial art that they have going in is usually something besides Yoshinkan Aikido, and they are usually something like 2-4 degrees (dan). However, facing the Aikido masters, all they could do is scream while the being controlled effortlessly. And those masters could only scream while being controlled by Shioda Gozo-sensei (while he was still alive). I'm not saying that Aikido is the strongest martial arts of them all, but the other martial arts of Japan respects us for a reason.
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@wrathVchild I can answer that! Quite simply, a true Aikidoka would indeed avoid the situation entirely, as that is basically why we are called pacifists. However, not everyone will allow you to simply leave, especially if they want to do something to you. Aikido is about working against someone who is totally committed. and if they aren't committed, then you shouldn't be fighting the guy. True Aikido is being able to get the other person to either befriend you, or admit defeat with one glance.
xiealic 3 weeks ago
Great video!
KriszPal 3 weeks ago 2
This was a really good explanation of the different fighting realities. Kudos. Respect to you.
dhlewis69 3 weeks ago 2
This is a cool story bro, a very well done video. However, I have to ask: Do you expect aikido to have practical value in the modern world? You gave one example of a mosher in a club. I feel like the application of a MA technique was unnecessary in that avoiding this mosher would be the more efficient choice. When is a person going to be involved in a "war like" scenario? One might argue that a mugging situation would be war like, but I would say it's more like a duel.
wrathVchild 3 weeks ago
lyoto machida won the mma title with help of steven segal
judeberry1 3 weeks ago
Steven Seagal Training with Lyoto Machida check out mma might change your mind
judeberry1 3 weeks ago
@boxerfencer Unfortunately, they don't make blackbelts like they use to, so you should make sure they are trained properly. The catching midair punches doesn't work if you don't have good reaction and speed, and you must mastered the centreline theory of attack. What a truly capable Aikidoka would do is: step off the line of attack and go forward while turning the body 90 degrees, then go not for the fist, but for the elbow or shoulder, then slide down to the fist, and apply the kotegaeshi throw
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@xiealic I always assumed that they weren't able to catch my punches because the techniques weren't made for western boxing (ball and chain) punches. Rather, they were created for piston karate style punches of the area of origin, which are slower.
boxerfencer 3 weeks ago
As to Aikido practitioners (& Segal by extension) being able to do what they claim. One thing they claim is being able to catch midair punches, & from there manipulate into wrist locks. I'd been boxing for -10yrs when in came a black & a brown belt. They were never even able to catch my punches. Nor did they ever bring me down. I'd have to fully commit to something & even then. Aikido works against traditional go in & kill/commit strategy BUT useless for the tag game of martial art turned sport.
boxerfencer 3 weeks ago
@boxerfencer Yeah, that's what he said.
AkatsukiPR0 3 weeks ago
@boxerfencer What happens is if you shift your centre of mass properly during the shift-turn-down, the other guy will follow your motion and go flying around and get slammed onto the ground. You can then grab the elbow of his grabbing arm, turn it like a steering wheel and flip him on his back, sit on his shoulder with one knee. and proceed to break his arm. :)
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@boxerfencer If you are worried about bar fights, there's an easy fix for ya. Most folks tend to do this in a bar fight, due to how drunk they are: to stablize themselves and get proper distance, they'll grab you with one hand, and do a hookpunch that flows in from the outside. This is the same line of attack as yokomen uchi (sidestrike). Block with the arm on the same side of the attack, grab his grabbing hand with the other, cross-step back, and rotate your body and drop down on one knee.
xiealic 3 weeks ago
Riot squad contains some of strongest policemens in all of Tokyo district, all of them have blackbelts in kendo, judo, or karate. Every year, only the top 10 are select to go. When they go to do the senshusei, if they are disrespectful in any way, they get the asses handed back to them by the sensei's there. The training is so severe you will puke and pass out on the tatami, bleed from your back and knees from the hundreds of breakfalls and suwari-waza (sitting techniques).
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@boxerfencer Takeno Takefumi is an 8th dan shihan at Yoshinkan, and one of the main instructors for the senshusei course. He is notorious for being the most feared in all of Yoshinkan's history. He would repeated knock out his own students during demonstrations. The man is destruction incarnate, and gained the nickname "Yakuza Takeno" from his master, Shioda Gozo. If you do challenge, him, he'll think "sweet, fresh meat. I'll use him to teach my students. I don't have to worry about injury now!"
xiealic 3 weeks ago
@xiealic An instructor knocking out his students impresses you?? That's just abusive.
boxerfencer 3 weeks ago
For all those who say Aikido is not effective and can't be used against MMA or other arts, I got an advice for you: head on over to the Yoshinkan Aikido dojo in Tokyo, ask to observe the senshusei course, and then get ready to be blown away. The "specialist" course is mandatory for the Tokyo Riot Police squad. If that isn't enough proof, I'm not sure what is... unless you're feeling brave/cocky, in which case, challenge a man named Takeno Takefumi. Just make sure to update your will beforehand
xiealic 4 weeks ago
@xiealic If the art is so effective, why would one have to go all the way to Tokyo and challenge one person in particular? One would think that the art could stand by itself and not through the cult of personality.
boxerfencer 3 weeks ago
@xiealic Riot is again similar to medieval warfare, but I'm not sure that any of those are similar to what happens in modern street/bar fights. Therefore, this art may not be applicable/useful at all in these situations.
boxerfencer 3 weeks ago
@xiealic but did you also say "policemens in all of Tokyo district, all of them have blackbelts in kendo, judo, or karate". So these police officers aren't just depending on Aikido. By stating that officers use [1] Aikido, 1 out of 3 martial arts ([2] Kendo, [3] judo or [Karate]) isn't exactly selling it. It's even less appealing when you consider that the Aikido training is just a course (specialist, albeit), even if they puke because of the training.
boxerfencer 3 weeks ago
it is a good explanation but honestly i saw no differences in any of the throws. it all looked as if the student was aiding the throw, just like in the movies. i find it hard to believe a 150 lb object can so easily be entirely spun around, unwillingly, using hardly any force. in war, human beings use weapons because to fight an incoming crowd using wrist grabs is nonsensical. aikido is self defense like judo but is not effective against skilled practitioners of other martial arts.
Magneticitist 4 weeks ago
im in aikido and trust me it works before i joined aikido i got beaten up every day now no one messes with me nothing is better than aikido trust me
3000gtisfast 4 weeks ago
cool vid bro thanks for the explanation
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theartistwhocrys 4 weeks ago
Whats the song being played.@ 47? thanks...
theartistwhocrys 4 weeks ago
than ok.
kucicstip 1 month ago
The man just explained that it was a system designed from war time techniques (jujitsu, aikijujutsu, etc), and designed specifically for/with weapons. Morihei Ueshiba didn't want to kill, but I bet he broke a lot of wrists, and gave a lot of concussions to those who thought otherwise. Jigoro Kano did the same but went the sport route rather than Ueshiba's passive self-defense.
EntryStackEnthusiast 1 month ago
@EntryStackEnthusiast there is no such thing as passive self defense.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 4 weeks ago
Incorrect video. Aikido under no circumstances is designed "for war". The founder of Aikido in an attempt at removing the lethality and aggressiveness from earlier forms of jujutsu (read Daito Ryu Aikijutsu) developed Aikido as a means of balancing oneself and environment. It is pretty and essentially requires partner compliance. It has very little modern defensive applicability or ability against a committed attacker. THAT is why you don't see its methods used in MMA. Because it does not work.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 1 month ago
@HYBRIDCOMBATIVES Aikido has a large emphasis on joint manipulation and throws, particularly of the wrist. This kind of joint manipulation would not not very useful in MMA because of the gloves the fighters wear, and i would expect the throws could cause an opponent to land on their head which would not be allowed. Saying a whole martial art does not work is also a stupid thing to say, it most certainly does but just not in your eyes.
Vendetta404 4 weeks ago
@Vendetta404 I am aware of what it is , what it does, what it claims. It is not functional.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 4 weeks ago
@Vendetta404 in my opinion the way steven segal is teaching here is the best way to use aikido in ufc or mma.. he is teaching principals of aikido coupled with strikes and tactics... this is how buijinkan is as well...
you can not use traditional grips and techniques if you want to fitt into mma or ufc.. arts like bujinkan has already immplemented strikes and evades .. aikijujutsu and other forms of jujutsu already has strikes.. aikido usually does not..
principals are what would be used .
TheRogueMonk 4 weeks ago
this man stupid. he is
kucicstip 1 month ago
@kucicstip If he's stupid, then you're retarded.
mikeymarshful 1 month ago
aikido wont work in mma? are you fukkin shittin me? segal traind machida and anderson silva with aikio technique's, and both went on to great knockout kicks right after training with him.... so lmao ..... fail
theDementedKnight 1 month ago
@theDementedKnight bullshit don't act like aikido is those fighter's base style, aikido is an additive to stronger styles, not a base. Sure it has its uses but how many pure aikido fighters are in mma? Even a fighter with aikido/bjj base? None, these clowns start getting hit with vicious muay thai round kicks and everything changes.
bmx7596 1 month ago
@bmx7596 absodamnlutely. One good jab,cross,hook,cut kick double leg takedown and it is over.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 4 weeks ago
Aikido is not fun to watch unless the person knows how to "Recieve"the technique...and it makes the non aikido person look silly and weak!!! MMA is about looks and money
HopiTrails1 1 month ago
@HopiTrails1 Ridiculous comment.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 1 month ago
Great video, very respectfull to both Aikido and MMA. But it is not true that Aikido responds only to full "war" attacks. In contrary to popular belief every aikido technique can be applied with aggressive movement to deal with cautious opponents. Also includes a variety of strikes. Yes, Aikido can be quite aggressive. For me the reason that Aikido and MMA do not fit together is that Aikido is not designed and doesn't want to be a sport. It is still a martial art.
Ujio1140 1 month ago
Excellent video and very cogent explanation.
Thanks for posting.
Drtomterrific 1 month ago 2
have you seen the machida v randy and the silva fight both trained by seagal both knockouts with what he trained them.. this is bollox lmfao
moultonslayer 1 month ago
Well said. I have been in AIkido for almost 7 years and we hear these arguements all the time that Aikido won't work because it is not used in MMA and I have tried to explain it with little success. You have done a brilliant job and I thank you.
duchessofpercy 1 month ago
That was the best damn intelligent explanation I have ever heard mate great job!
wcbombers21 1 month ago
@wcbombers21 Other than it is absolutely wrong. There was never a samurai that studied or employed "Aikido". Aikido was developed much later than the Meiji Restoration. After the samurai were gone. Aikido was developed from earlier jujutsu and aikijujutsu methods, and was specifically engineered to REMOVE the lethality. It is more of a moving meditation method than a defensive tactics system or a means of applicable combatives.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 1 month ago
@HYBRIDCOMBATIVES you are right but people like steven segal effectviely putt the lethality in it again... so its no limitation ... i rather keep it non lethal for myself.. but steven segal is an excellent example of lethalizing aikido agian... also aikido is not much different then aikijujutsu it just has the basic curiculum .. its no much different.. just people use it different.
TheRogueMonk 4 weeks ago
@TheRogueMonk It is very different. This whole "lethality" in aikido thing is nonsense, If you have ever seen the aftermath of someone beaten to death or near death you would certainly understand that no about of wrist locks and throws are effective in that regard. That is all hollywood bullshit. GO 12 rounds with a pro boxer and you are still alive most likely. There is no mystic death punch bullshit. Aikido is a dance.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 4 weeks ago
@HYBRIDCOMBATIVES i agree.aikido is a dance.. an effective dance if you want to deffend yourself.. the founder did not make this in order t harm anyone. i do aikid for that dance . its a inner martial art .. it is effective but i wouldnt go as far as to say its the most letal and angerous and fighting martial art.... i think all arts can be peaceful and graceful dependso on the practitioner..
TheRogueMonk 4 weeks ago
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@HYBRIDCOMBATIVES steven segal did not choose that it seems so people like him and some people like him like i do but dont want his way of doing aikido...
i like steven segal as a human being.
but every practitioner has their own goals and standards for whtat they like...
honestly if i wanted to beat someone up i would take another martial art because there are others that focus on that much more frequently...
TheRogueMonk 4 weeks ago
best aikido expalantion..
nivlem131303 1 month ago
Good explanation. Nicely put. Thank you.
RedhillTaekwondo 1 month ago 4
Nice try.
sausag 1 month ago
The problem with Aikido is if it's gonna work you have to be SUUUUPER-good and then it is unstoppable, but other styles are much easier to learn and effective enough
sirspikey 1 month ago
What few people understand is that the poeple he's doing these things to are trained to fall away the way they do. The falls are as important in the training as the moves he's doing.
Pleaver 1 month ago
Bruce Lee said "I don't believe in styles , in fighting you use all your muscle" and I think the most important is your brain
ullalat 1 month ago
@ullalat Brucee lee never meant by the statement, " I don't believe in styles. " that styles are not important he meant don't be limited to one style; but rather use styles to achieve mental or spiritual enlightenment. Bruce lee studied many styles and he and his friends such as Dan Inosanto studied many diverse styles. And borrowed from many styles. The mind has to learn the basic of fighting or styles but transcend the style to the formless art. Be shapeless formless like water.
KeitaThe1 1 month ago
Well explained!
v9video 1 month ago 3
I guess this is a good question lots of people in and out of martial arts ask. I'll add that often attackers in real life aren't very sophisticated and do come on with the Big Punch in mind. One Bujinkan instructor I know sometimes gets teasted by friends way larger than him and wants to know "if he can do stuff". As it turns out he's surprised them a couple of times by flooring the big guys in a brawl-for-fun... and they often don't know what hit them. Small story, but moral is it gives an edge
hrvad 1 month ago
@selatik1 yeah sure.and you never hit the wrong key by accident?
marc0871 1 month ago
I have been arguing for both sides for a long time. I do MMA, and no one uses aikido. But i've tried to explain that aikido won't work on the outside either....and i've changed my mind by this SINGLE video. Thank you for your insight. You've helped me.
zacktillery 1 month ago 12
@zacktillery heers mate, that is a great post!
TSOAS2008 1 month ago 2
@zacktillery It's also important to note that many aikido techniques like wrist-manipulations are illegal in MMA. Like he said it's more of a dual/game than an actual fight.
NRAdude 1 month ago
@NRAdude They are illegal, but are still not plausible. In my MMA class, we learn street stuff, like pushing your thumb into the belly button when you have them in their guard, things like that. Wrist locks and stuff work SOMETIMES, we learned some, but this video made me realize it was used mainly for war. :)
zacktillery 1 month ago
@zacktillery What do you mean by plausible? Your day to day street scenario involves someone in close proximity (7 feet) who unexpectedly ambushes you right?
NRAdude 1 month ago
@NRAdude No, but we do knife training and eye gouges as a normal technique session after class. Unlike all other MMA drones, i know that things like that are neglected, and also underestimated. That's like telling lyoto machida that he's not a good fighter because he doesn't fight every day.
zacktillery 1 month ago
@zacktillery Thank you for the honesty ! Appreciate it !
IOPzK 3 weeks ago
Great video... i love the breakdown between war and MMA... thank you!!
rizzay421 1 month ago 2
That is the best explaination I've ever heard on behalf of the art of Aikido's effectiveness. Thank you!
42Cleve 1 month ago 12
@selatik1
Watch out, he might go all Jabba the Hutt on you and drop you into a rancor pit if you do...
DeltaSquad451 1 month ago
So basically Seagal would have no fucking chance in the Octagon!!!
jozsefkacsa 1 month ago
@jozsefkacsa you're missing the point.
the point made here is that aikido is inpracticle in mma because of the way of fighting.
in mma the oppenents have time to size eachother up and ground themselfs for an attack so the attack begins from a ballanced position.
in aikido an attack occurs from a 'running' position.
this is by itself an inballanced position.
in aikodo the point is to step out of the way of the attack enhance te inballance and reverse the energy towards the attacker.
marc0871 1 month ago
Great video, m8
hakkujin 1 month ago
Excellent explanation, you really did touch the most important points of the subject.
abdjms 1 month ago 2
There are hard/soft/defensive/offensive aikido or mixed aikido styles. i.e. Yoseikan Aikijujutsu or Yoseikan Budo are very effective and are hard and effective styles (boxing & kicks etc) with many techniques which are forbidden in mainstream Aikido but also in MMA like neckthrows etc. Furthermore it is forbidden to be "to defensive to long" in an MMA battle. But If I choose to wait until someone attacks in a real situation it doesn't cost me points. He has to come and will be "proper handled".
aikidik46 1 month ago
My main problem with Aikido is that on the street, an attacker will not run up to me and grab my wrist. He'll just try to punch me. I've noticed that a lot of times, in Aikido videos, the attacker is just trying to grab your wrists, which is unrealistic. The only time someone might try to grab your wrists is maybe if you are a small child and a pedo grabs your wrists to drag you into his car or into the woods.
hondaciviccoupe10 1 month ago
@hondaciviccoupe10 Its more of a mind/muscle memory practice bro. Its the same reason Karate and in my case, ITF TaeKwonDo has kata. Would I start doing forms during a street battle? Absolutely not, but the movement trains your mind and body to react, and form reflexes to certain movement. If that makes any sense?
Coads301 1 month ago
im sorry i like segal but this stuff looks real fake... just saying everyone would be using this stuff in fight or in sport fights.. and ive not seen anyone doit
jwb864 1 month ago
to claim aikido is staged after 2 years of practice would suggest to me your sensei wants to get money off ye rather than teach you,if your practicing aikido after 2 years an are still questioning it means your obviously not learning the proper stuff who ever is teaching you is a disgrace to martial arts...
crixus11 1 month ago
Interesting. Having practiced aikido for 2 years, I must say I found a lot of it to be very "staged", as in attack me there, attack me like that, no with the other hand, etc. I'm pretty sure that, if instead of students you had 3 guys attacking Seagal the outcome would be very different. Great martial art though.
melomaniakjm 1 month ago
@melomaniakjm maybe you should request some freeform randori and see how you get on. When I used to do Aikido, we used to have occasional randori where the uke could basically throw pretty much whatever they wanted minus things like head butts, eye gouges and crotch shots, you sure found out where your skills were when you didn't know if they were gonna rush you, kick, punch or produce a weapon etc. . Some of the dan grades were pretty awesome.
seancoppinger 1 month ago
I wouldn't knock anyone's art ... What is missing in all the postings is the fact that in order to submit an assailant or opponent you must break his will... No art teaches that....any idiot can claim his art is better but that is foolhardy ...
kentia1827 1 month ago
MMA IS A SPORT THAT CLAIMS TO USE A MIXTURE OF VARIOUS MARTIAL ARTS
WITH THE MARTIAL PART BEING REMOVED.
zellymusic 1 month ago 2
I dissagree that Aikido can't be used in MMA. Aikido has developed a lot since it's creation in the late 1920's. In fact it now has many styles and is used in police training as it can ward off any attack. Aikido is mainly used in close combat, like Krav Maga and Wing Chun, and like those two arts would be quite effective in any case and would be an asset in an arena such as Mixed Martial Arts - it's locks and restraining techniques can make any opponant tap-out in submission, for instance.
rapjigga1 1 month ago
Steven is a 7th grade black belt, taught by a recognised master of Aikido. In fact, he became the first foreigner to operate a Dojo in Japan. All that don't happen because you were only acting lol
rapjigga1 1 month ago 2
Great video, well explained.
mikenluke 2 months ago
The basis of the throws in Aikido use the body mechanics and since it's often a choice of going with the throw or breaking a limb most opt for the going with it.
Psychocat4life 2 months ago 2
the truth is that movie martial arts are very different to actual martial arts
Psychocat4life 2 months ago
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good description of non-committed vs. committed attacks and war and life or death type fighting vs. a competition.
billgober2 2 months ago
good description of non-committed vs. committed attacks and war and life or death type fighting vs. a competition.
billgober2 2 months ago
why is he fighting little children?
secutorclaudius 2 months ago
@secutorclaudius those are not kids they are chinesse so they are alot smaller then him...
davajTdavaj 2 months ago
@davajTdavaj aah, that's why he's throwing them around like that! cockpuncher!
secutorclaudius 2 months ago
Seagal is a total wanker.
del690 2 months ago
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@imitchellgill
Because it's basically like taking air-guitar lessons, and then entering a battle of the bands.
There is NO "ancient asian secret" that can teach you to fight someone who's trying to kick your ass, without ever once actually DOING it!
Know why? Simple:
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
Might as well say that Tiger Balm cures cancer.
SouthParkBear 2 months ago
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SouthParkBear 2 months ago
not commenting on his technique or style of fighting but I've watched a couple interviews with him and he just seems very egotistical and stuck up
TheDougass 2 months ago
Aikido designed for war?
rojasfantasias 2 months ago